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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Chuck here wrapping up our Thankspring playlist

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Speaker 1: with number ten all about Honey, Honey colon Nature's Wonder Sugar.

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Speaker 1: And if you think you knew a thing or two

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Speaker 1: about honey, think again, because this is some honey centric

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Speaker 1: goodness and you're gonna learn a lot of stuff that

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Speaker 1: you never knew about honey. For instance, you can put

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Speaker 1: it on toast with butter and it's delicious. So I

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Speaker 1: hope everyone enjoys Honey, Nature's Wonder Sugar. Welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Jerry's here barely and this is stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: Well, we should explain what that means. It's very gi

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Speaker 1: us and strange sound. Jerry had a poor internet connection,

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Speaker 1: was a few minutes late. That's it. She's barely here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mystery solved, Joel.

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Speaker 1: It feels tenuous too.

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Speaker 2: That she's just barely hanging on by her fingernails.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I think I don't know. That internet connection

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Speaker 1: just sounded dodgy.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. She came in like Houston, we

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Speaker 2: have a problem.

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Speaker 1: You know that internet connection.

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Speaker 2: Sound right, sounds like Apaulla thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about this one.

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Speaker 2: Me too. I even ate some honey for lunch today.

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Speaker 1: I had a little dab atrey at Brecky Okay, which

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Speaker 1: I don't usually eat, but I ate another toast with

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Speaker 1: a spun honey spread.

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Speaker 2: Good for you, man. So spun honey? Are you talking

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Speaker 2: about the creamed honey? Is that what I'm hearing now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Creamed spun or I think there's one more word

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Speaker 1: for it, but we always called it spun honey growing up,

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Speaker 1: and boy is it good. And guess what it is

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Speaker 1: just as helpful. It has just as many helpful properties

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Speaker 1: as regular honey. It doesn't spinning it or the process

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Speaker 1: of getting it too. That state doesn't change it at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like honey in a different format. Like if

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Speaker 2: you had a really great song, like play that funky

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Speaker 2: music white Boy, and you had it on eight track,

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Speaker 2: but you also had it on record. It's the same song.

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Speaker 2: It's just in two different formats, right, Yeah, same thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: I really disliked that song though.

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Speaker 1: I really do too, actually, although they.

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Speaker 2: Have a great memory of it. I guess sometime around

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Speaker 2: Piedmont Park. It must have been Saint Patrick's Day. This

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Speaker 2: like car full of dudes came up. They were wearing

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Speaker 2: down for Saint Patrick's Day. And they were blaring that

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Speaker 1: And then it totally was.

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Speaker 2: And then as they got out of the car, all

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Speaker 2: of them are like just like booging down the street,

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Speaker 2: still like to the bar, and one of them like

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Speaker 2: contact with me. Was I think he'll be embarrassed for

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Speaker 2: the rest of his life about that. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: So you could tell he felt some shame because you

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Speaker 2: A little bit and again not staring them down. You

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Speaker 2: know me, I'll stare somebody down, but not these guys.

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Speaker 2: Was this was he initiated it.

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Speaker 1: But hey, good for them.

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Speaker 2: I bet they had a blast, So, honey, I think

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Speaker 2: is what we were originally talking about, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Grabster helped us with this one. And

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Speaker 1: this was my commission because Emily is very much into

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Speaker 2: I hope, so, man, I think beekeeping is one of

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Speaker 2: the neatest things you can do. I'll bet it's so relaxing.

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Speaker 2: if you ask me, certainly our most homespun episode by far.

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Speaker 2: So we're not going to talk too much about beekeeping,

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Speaker 2: but you pretty much can't discuss honey without also talking

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Speaker 1: Did we do bees and beekeeping?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we've done bees. Beekeeping now honey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of our TV show episodes was about bees.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the sillier episodes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably what was silly. I think you had

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Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about honey. Ed helped

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Speaker 2: I think he did about the best most clinical description

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Speaker 1: Where's that was that? Like? His definition?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean he talks about basically what honey is

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Speaker 1: Oh so you just saying start from take it from

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Speaker 2: But I thought the way he did it was like,

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Speaker 2: it's just a it's a good descriptor of honey and

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Speaker 2: how it's made.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is good stuff by the Grabster.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, a bit of a refresher though. But we

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Speaker 1: bees are wild about the stuff for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if there's any bees out there seriously that

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Speaker 2: just a that's a very efficient organ and it just

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Speaker 1: By the way, I had the most amazing dad joke

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Speaker 2: What was it?

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Speaker 1: Should I tell it now? Of course when you said

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Speaker 2: Well, that means the podcast is on the way down too, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Okay, you were talking about the bees

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Speaker 1: you know, they could always just go to a bb meeting.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, that was good. That wasn't bad. That was

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Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, Well, I would love to

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm registering the first vote, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say somewhere in the middle of those.

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Speaker 1: It's about to say there is no in between, but

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Speaker 2: That they take the nectar back to their nest, their.

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Speaker 2: Makes a really good point here that they're not actually

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Speaker 2: They're also mixing in their own enzymes, and what they're

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Speaker 2: So honey is a mixture of b enzymes, flower, nectar, pollen,

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Speaker 2: and that's dehydrated and combines to form brand new compounds.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's what honey is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and as we'll see there there can be other

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Speaker 2: And sometimes some bees have really bad days.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's when they go to the bebe meetings.

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Speaker 2: So there's another way that what we've been talking about

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Speaker 2: And do you remember in our Aunt episode where ants

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Speaker 2: are ranchers of aphids, and the aphids suck the juice

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Speaker 2: that honeydew in some cases and can actually make honey

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Speaker 2: But that's just the sugars. And again, the simple sugars

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Speaker 1: I think that's your first soapbox moment of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely is, now that you mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: Sure, all right, that means we're going to toast some

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Speaker 1: tomorrow clink. This set is good for your body as well.

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Speaker 2: Huh, what's your tomorrow that you look.

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Speaker 1: Congradulate and you know I got a few of them.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be a future like very near future

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Speaker 2: A little bit of that. It'll fix delicious. It'll fix

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00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 2: a mouse that's been in restraint stress for twenty and

437
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: one day's right.

438
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: Up, some orange bitters, a little shake of that.

439
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good stuff even just also choked, by the way,

440
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 2: just a little bit of amorrow Montenegro, like I think

441
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: an ounce of that and some good seltzer is really

442
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 2: good on your own too.

443
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: That's a digest Steve in a half.

444
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: It definitely is.

445
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Uh. You know what recently I went

446
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: to La just for the day to see our friend

447
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: Ben Harrison. Yeah, and our our friend and booking agent

448
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: Josh Lingren and my friend Adam Pranica. You'd love Adam.

449
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: You just haven't hung out with them much. But we

450
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: went to Musso and Frank and I'll just say this,

451
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: and I haven't been drinking much lately, but we had

452
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: a day and we're way too drunk to be and

453
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: Musso and Frank.

454
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: I could tell from your Instagram posts from it.

455
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like she just looks really this great big

456
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: meal and drinks and all this stuff at one of

457
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: the oldest restaurants in Hollywood. And at the very end,

458
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: Ben Harrison just shouts out, is that it. We're like, yes,

459
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: nothing else, and Ben went four tomorrows. Oh yeah, so

460
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: that's how we ended our meal. Wow, they're just stop

461
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: with a hangover. So let's not blow all of our

462
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: knowledge on tomorrow right here. Well put chuck jerk all right.

463
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: So health qualities of Honey is where we left off

464
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. There are lots of health benefits and

465
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: there are lots of studies that back this up, which

466
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: is great. There are medicinal uses that have been academically

467
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: studied and verified. So this isn't like you know, witchy

468
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: hokum or woo woo stuff like that. Honey is really

469
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: really good for you. And we've known this for a

470
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: long time. And one of the things that honey is

471
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: great for is if you you have allergies. If they

472
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: did studies where they looked over the course of a

473
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: couple of months during allergy season, and it had significant

474
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: reductions in what's called rhinitis rhinitis, which is you know,

475
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: stuff you knows, sneezing, allergic sort of qualities fear of.

476
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: And this was like quite a bit of honey. I

477
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: think it was one gram of honey per kilogram of

478
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: body weight.

479
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: It's a lot of honey.

480
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: It's a lot of honey. But it works, and you know,

481
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: it's better than some dumb allergy medication.

482
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: So you remember our immunotherapy episode from very early on,

483
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: we talked a lot about eating honey to get over allergies,

484
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: and it totally makes sense because you're exposing yourself to

485
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 2: the local pollen. That's why people who say this actually

486
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: works to get yourself over allergies. Say, it won't work

487
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: unless you are eating local honey, meaning like within twenty

488
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: or I think thirty miles of where you live, because

489
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: you're exposing yourself a little by little to that pollen

490
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: and your body's like, oh, this is this Stuff's not

491
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: that bad. We won't give you any more allergies.

492
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a lot of reasons to eat local

493
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: honey and eat locally period, not the least of which

494
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: is that's just how it was for gazillion years. You

495
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: ate what was near you because you couldn't get anywhere else,

496
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: and that's just sort of the better way to eat.

497
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've really gotten into green grapes lately. They're just

498
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: so good and they're so good for you. Just always

499
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 2: have like a bowl of them out And we just

500
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: left grape season and the stuff that's out now is

501
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: just it's so bad. It's just like you put in

502
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: your mouth and there's no like pop to it. It

503
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: just MUSHes. And this is not any good. Yeah, it

504
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: is like an eyeball. It's really, it's like a rotten

505
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 2: eyeball basically. So I'm off a grape, so I'm trying

506
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: to find a Grape replacement until they come back in season.

507
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Grape Replacement is not a bad band name. Actually it

508
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: is a bad band name, but I could see someone

509
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: naming their band NAT.

510
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: That seems like a side project band name.

511
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Right. What about an inflammation that's you know, inflammation, we've

512
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: talked a lot about that's it's not the root cause

513
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: of every problem humans have, but inflammation is one of

514
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: the leading causes of a lot of problems that humans have.

515
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: Definitely, I think we need to do an episode on that, Yeah, totally,

516
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's behind cardiovascular issues. Your blood

517
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: pressure might be high, you might have gut problems, arthritis,

518
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: some types of cancer, and it's your body basically mounting

519
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: this immune response that is overblown and so you're suffering

520
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 2: as a result, and it has all these terrible effects. Well,

521
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: the flavonoids that I mentioned are there's a ton of flavonoids.

522
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: I think like thirty different flabinoids found and basically all

523
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: types of honey, just to varying degrees depending on what

524
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: flowers it came from. And they are antioxidants. We've talked

525
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: about antioxidants and whether or not they actually work or not.

526
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: The jury's still kind of out, but there are some

527
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: things that flavonoids do that are like, this is just

528
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: demonstrably effective. One of the things they do is go

529
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: to the genes that produce inflammatory proteins and say, nope,

530
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: not today, you just rest easy, stop making those things.

531
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: So the block expression of inflammatory proteins. That's just one

532
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: of the things that you can find in honey.

533
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, a pretty big one if you ask me. Sure,

534
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: if you want kind of one of the king daddies

535
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: of healthful honeys. You've probably heard of Manuka honey. It

536
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: seems to have I don't know about exploded, but it

537
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: seems to have really garnered a lot more popularity and popularity,

538
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: garnered popularity whatever, you know what I'm saying, Sure in

539
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: more recent years, partially because of marketing and pr but

540
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: partially because Minuka honey is really good for you. This

541
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: is a monofloral honey, which means, as we'll talk about

542
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: a bit more later, that it comes from a single

543
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: flower as much as possible from New Zealand, and it's

544
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: got a pretty short period in which this flower flowers,

545
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: and that makes it a more rare honey. That makes

546
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: it more expensive, of course, but manuka honey kind of

547
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: does all the things that honey does times, you know,

548
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: with a plus afterward.

549
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Supposedly, the active ingredient for manuka honey's antimicrobial properties

550
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: is methyl glyoxal. It's a word as ugly as it

551
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: sounds spelled out, but it has about one hundred times

552
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: the amount that other types of honey have. And that's

553
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why everybody's so bully on manuka honey.

554
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: I think the other reason is because it is very rare.

555
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: The manuka shrub grows in fairly remote, isolated regions of

556
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: New Zealand, so it's hard to get, and that means

557
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: it's very expensive, so you can sell it for a

558
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: lot of money. So anything you can say is Manuka honey.

559
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: You can kind of hype, but there does seem to

560
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: be some actual reality behind the hype.

561
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there there are people who do this and

562
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: who just like take a spoonful of manuka honey every

563
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: day as if they're taking their vitamins in the morning

564
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: or something like that.

565
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: For sure. And there's another one that's kind of come

566
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: up recently that has been rivaling minukas a tulang honey.

567
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: It grows in Malaysia. The thing is Manuka honey is

568
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: a monofloral honey. As we'll see, it's just made from

569
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: the manuka, the flowers of the manuka shrub. Tulang is

570
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: called jungle honey, like it's just made from whatever's flowering

571
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: in Malaysia. But supposedly the flowers that are growing in

572
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: the jungles of Malaysia have a lot of amazing properties too.

573
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: Because people are saying this tulang it's the hot new product,

574
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: and so long Manuka, you're so over and done with.

575
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, jungle honey's a good song title, yeah for sure.

576
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: Or maybe I'm just thinking jungle boogie.

577
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: No, jungle honey sounds good. You put honey with any

578
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: other word and it's gonna make it more appealing. I

579
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: think for.

580
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: Sure, I love the word jungle. It's one of my favorites.

581
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said earlier you were starting your honey file.

582
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: I was like, you should call all files your honey file.

583
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I will. Honey is also good topically. You can

584
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: put honey, especially something like manuka honey, on a skin,

585
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: knee or something like that cuts any kind of stubborn

586
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: wounds it's going to help out with They've done meta

587
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: studies on putting honey on topically and a lot of

588
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: these were it seems like from studies on diabetic foot wounds,

589
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: this is what ED found. But you know, it healed faster,

590
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: there was less inflammation. Apparently it can reduce nasty odors,

591
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: and even in diabetic foot wounds, helped reduce the need

592
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: for amputation.

593
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently that's with just about any honey you could

594
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: use for wound healing, not just manuka. Yeah, I saw

595
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: a paper that said, actually you might not want to

596
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: use manuka because that methyl glyoxal is something that might

597
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: actually prevent a diabetic foot ulcer from healing because really

598
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: so potent, it might actually like kill off like the

599
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: new cells that are trying to form. Other honey has

600
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: been shown is honey in general that it actually does

601
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: help heal diabetic foot ulcers, in really any kind of wound.

602
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: But the reason they say diabetic ulcers is because they

603
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: have so much trouble healing because there's so little circulation

604
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: being led to that wound site that it just basically

605
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: just persists that if you slather some honey on there,

606
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: you can say Goodbye, stubborn wound. Goodbye.

607
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: We already talked about blood pressure some but we should

608
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: note that some of the studies have found that it

609
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: reduces hypertension in women and not men. And this not

610
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 1: to say that it can't in men, but it's in

611
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, Ed points this out very astutely, that honey

612
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: is just there's a lot of studies and meta studies

613
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: and things, but you know, it's something that bees make

614
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: in nature and that humans collect, so they aren't always

615
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: the most consistent results when it comes to studies, and

616
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: there's so many varieties and so many kinds of bees

617
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: and where they live and then the flowers that they're

618
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: pollinating and getting that nectar from that it's just because

619
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: a study says something, it doesn't mean like that's the end,

620
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: full stop.

621
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, one way or the other, Like didn't find this

622
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: property actually helpful or did Yeah, there just needs to

623
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: be more studying that. Yes, they need to refine the

624
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: study of honey, which I think we're in the in

625
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: the midst of, like right now in this podcast, we're

626
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: helping move it along. I think what about cancer. Cancer

627
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: is another one. They think that basically there's there's properties

628
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: in Honey, that create apoptosis, which is programmed cell death,

629
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: and that they help target cancer tumors to to go

630
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: ahead and die, just die, die, die tumor. And that's

631
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: basically how chemotherapy works in a lot of ways. So, yes,

632
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: it does seem to have some sort of effect on cancer.

633
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: I saw that not only has it been shown to

634
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: work in the lab, like in cell lines of cancer cells,

635
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: but that it's it's had some clinical results as well.

636
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: But apparently when they go after cancer cells, there's something

637
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: that's called blebbing. And blebbing is where a cell gets

638
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: pulled away, like it's membrane gets pulled away from the

639
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: cytoskeleton and there's like a bulge and at that point

640
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: you have what's called blebbing, and that cell is in

641
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: very big trouble. So honey goes after cancer cells and

642
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: makes them bleb.

643
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: Well, you know how I knew it would be something

644
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: that makes you in trouble. What is that? It's called blebbing?

645
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

646
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: That can't be good.

647
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: No, oh my god, I'm blebbing. That's not a good sign.

648
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: No would ever say, oh that's fantastic, good for you. Yeah,

649
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: bleb right, you mentioned neurological problems earlier a little bit.

650
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: Obviously this can be a whole host of things, but

651
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: they have found and this is another you know, area

652
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: that there needs to be a lot more testing. But

653
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: the clinical trials have shown some pretty good results in

654
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: things like you know, depression, dementia, in any kind of

655
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: age related like mental neurological deterioration basically, but even things

656
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: like convulsions. They did there was one study in some

657
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: some senior adults that where they had a placebo control

658
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: group which had about four hundred percent greater incidents of

659
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: dementia than the group that took a daily tablespoon of honey.

660
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: That is astounding, that's huge. Yeah, Yeah, that's the kind

661
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: of study where it's like, no, that's the end. Nobody

662
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: else needs to do any more research. Does everybody eat

663
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: a tablespoon of honey? And that's actually that raises a

664
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: good question that a lot of people have. It's like,

665
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 2: wait a minute, honey is a sweetener. Yes, it's natural,

666
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: but it's got tons of sugar in it. So is

667
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: it really okay to eat a tablespoonful honey a day?

668
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: And the answer is in the West, especially you should yes,

669
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: go ahead and eat a tablespoon of honey a day,

670
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: but make sure that what you're doing is exchanging the

671
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: added sugars that you're eating in your diet normally for

672
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: that tablespoon. Don't just add it to your normal diet.

673
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Figure out where you can cut down some sugar and

674
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: use honey instead. And yes, you will probably be much

675
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: better off in the long run because sugar is really

676
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: not good for us at all.

677
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: That's great. I think we take our second break here,

678
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: we come back and we talk about honeycombs, grades of honey.

679
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: We still got a lot to go over, so let's

680
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: get to it.

681
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: And stuff with Joshua. Stuff you shine up?

682
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: Okay, check this suddenly turned into a short stuff go.

683
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: Well. I mean we can talk about the honeycomb briefly again.

684
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: That's in our beekeeping episode, in our bee episode and

685
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of detail, but basically, you know this,

686
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: the honeycomb is like that hexagonal cell structure that you

687
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: see inside the hive, made of the wax that the

688
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: bees produce, and they you know, they make cells for

689
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: storing honey or for housing that queen and the brood.

690
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: But the important thing as far as the honeycomb goes

691
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: is that humans came along as far as beekeeping is concerned,

692
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: and said, you know, let me build the framing your

693
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: house for you and you can come in and add

694
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: the detail. So we started making these you know, what

695
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: would you call it?

696
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: Like a form a substrate.

697
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: Look at you, which gives the bees a little bit

698
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: of a head start, and then you know the honey

699
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: is in there. They extract that honey in a centrifuge.

700
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: It leaves that honeycomb intact. Although you can get that

701
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: natural honey if you've seen it in the store with

702
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: that or maybe at a farmer's market, local farmer's market

703
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: with a honeycomb floating in that honey, you can you

704
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: can eat that stuff. It's wax is not going to

705
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: hurt you. Yeah, and it probably makes you feel like

706
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart or something.

707
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: It makes my teeth feel gritty. So I don't like it,

708
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: but I do know that it is edible for sure.

709
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

710
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: One of the things I saw chuck though, I was like, well,

711
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: wait a minute, if bee keepers are like making basically

712
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: fully formed honeycombs for the bees to use, this is

713
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: going to produce some soft, lazy bees. But it turns out.

714
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: There's actually really good reason to do this, and that

715
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: is that with bees produce their own wax, they have

716
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: to eat honey to produce the wax, and they they

717
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: consume six pounds of honey to make one pound of wax.

718
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: So by giving them the wax to begin with, you're

719
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: saving all of that extra honey. They're just gonna keep

720
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: making that honey and you're gonna get more for it.

721
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe that's one of the reasons we

722
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: have that surplus.

723
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: Probably, I would think. So. Yeah, if you're if you're

724
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: keeping bees and you're not giving them pre formed be

725
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: wax bees wax cells, you're a chump.

726
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: There are lots of different ways to rate or grade honey.

727
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna go over a lot of those now, one

728
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: of which is how much it's processed. We talked about

729
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: right out of the hive. It's gonna have some some

730
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: bead legs and pieces of wing, and some yeast in there,

731
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: some bacteria, some pollen, maybe some dust, some honey crystals.

732
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, you generally want to I'm sure they're purists

733
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: that just love that stuff, but if you're selling an

734
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: the story, you probably want to remove some of that

735
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: or a lot of that to make it a food product.

736
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: The other reason why is because if there's something floating

737
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: in your honey, that just gives the honey a solid

738
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: thing in there to crystallize around. And generally the honey

739
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: buying public sees crystallization is like that, I don't want

740
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: to buy that honey.

741
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: I saw that. That was mostly Americans that have an

742
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: aversion to crystallized honey. That doesn't spread me, And it's

743
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: because we think that it's gone bad somehow. And again, yeah,

744
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: all it is is like, yeah, there's been some crystallization

745
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: of the sugars and all you have to do is

746
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: put in a nice tapwater bath and it'll go back.

747
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: But yes, you can just totally eat crystallized honey. There's

748
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: no problem with it whatsoever. But because they know their consumers,

749
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: honey producers are like, we got to get the solids

750
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: out of it, right, So basically any honey you buy

751
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: in the United States is going to have at least

752
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: undergone macro filtering with the un called straining, and what

753
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: that produces is raw honey. It's just they're getting out

754
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: the biggest of the big solids. But then that's it.

755
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: There's no more filtration whatsoever, and it's raw honey, which

756
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: is a bit of a misnomer because every honey type

757
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 2: that isn't pasteurized, and pasteurized honey is just one small subset.

758
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: Every other type of honey is technically raw honey. It's

759
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: not been heated, there's nothing that's been killed off in it.

760
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: It's all still raw. But I think what they're basically

761
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: using the word raw for is like rustic honey.

762
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I agree. You mentioned pastorization, we might as

763
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: well talk about that. I looked it up. I was like,

764
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: why would you pasteurize honey, because you typically think of

765
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: pasturization for more of like a dairy product. It's basically

766
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: just there is no reason to do it that I found,

767
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: other than making it look and like pour out of

768
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: the bottle or jar or whatever more freely. It's smoother.

769
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: Apparently it's going to alter the flavor, obviously, because you're

770
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: heating this honey up. Yeah, but that's that's the only

771
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: thing I found why you would pasteurize honey.

772
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: I saw that, you know, honey has all these anti microbial,

773
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: anti viral properties. That doesn't mean there's no such thing

774
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: as bacteria in honey. Or there's no such thing as mold.

775
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: Spores in honey, and mold in particular can cause honey

776
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: to ferment slightly. Again, nothing wrong with that, It's totally fine.

777
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: You basically just have a free little mini shot of

778
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: mead right there in your honey. But people don't like

779
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, so I think pasturizing it kills

780
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: off any of those potential microbes or yeast or mold

781
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: or anything.

782
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm at a hippie once and I think West Virginia

783
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: that made his own meat. I think I might have

784
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: told the story before, but he gave me some meat.

785
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody mailed us meat years and years and years ago.

786
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: Is the only meat I've ever had in my life.

787
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan.

788
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: It was it was fine. Yeah, It's not something I

789
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: could drink regularly or any like that. But yeah, if

790
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: I were in West Virginia wearing nothing but a pair

791
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 2: of overalls, I can probably drink a little meat.

792
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: This is a nice guy, despite the fact that he

793
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: was a fishman. I'm getting killed for knocking fish, by

794
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: the way.

795
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: Just keep it up though, it doesn't matter.

796
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny is all the people that

797
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: have written in are trying to talk me into liking fish.

798
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: Right, They're like, surely you clearly haven't listened to fish

799
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: and you don't know what you're talking about.

800
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: It they do it. It's all almost verbatim. It's funny.

801
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: It's almost like the talking points they shared. But I

802
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: know fish fans wouldn't share talking points. It's not the

803
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: fish way. Way back to the filtering, we're jumping back

804
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: to the other the USDA designation, which is filtered honey,

805
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: and that is basically just more filtering. The filters are

806
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: finer and it's gonna remove almost all those solids that

807
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna see. And it probably does require some heating

808
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: because to get through those filters, you gotta have it

809
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: a little more viscous or less viscous.

810
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. But if you're ultrafiltering, not only

811
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: do you have to warm it up, you combine it

812
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: with a lot of water. Yeah, because you're pushing it

813
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: through not quite reverse osmosis membranes, but something not too

814
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: far off where it is getting everything out of the honey.

815
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: So much so the USCA says, this isn't honey. You

816
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: can't call it honey honey.

817
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.

818
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's another way to basically achieve the same

819
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: end without blasting it through a ultra filtered membrane, and

820
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: that's using diatomaceous earth. And diatoms are fossilized microalgae with

821
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: silica shells and this is the shells left over, and

822
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: they are super tiny, but they pick up even tinier particles.

823
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: They are attracted to them. They get stuck in the shells,

824
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: and then you filter out the diatoms, and then you've

825
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: also filtered out the stuff even further, so you don't

826
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: have to use quite as fine a filter because the

827
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: diatoms have sucked up all the stuff that would have

828
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: passed through that filter that's catching the diet toms. Does

829
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: that make.

830
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: Sense, Yeah, and it's pretty amazing. You might remember diatamacious

831
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: earth from our cockroach episode because that's the stuff that

832
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: you can spread around that they eat that kills them

833
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: from the inside out.

834
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: It also drives fleas out too. If you have a

835
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: flea problem, you can spread dietamacious earth on your carpet

836
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: in it will help.

837
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been through that. We talked about spun honey

838
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: already and just want to reiterate that spun honey or

839
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: cream honey or whipped honey. It's all the same thing,

840
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: and it still doesn't lose any of those helpful properties.

841
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: You can also rate honey by a color, of course,

842
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, honey has a great range of color, and

843
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: they you know, technically it's called optical density, but what

844
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: they use the fund color scale.

845
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: I think it's fund no really like fister, the fabulous

846
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: faucet with a funny name.

847
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I always say puffister just because I think

848
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: it's funny.

849
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then yes, this would definitely be fun.

850
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: And this is a scale from zero, which is water

851
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: white all the way to one fourteen and above, which

852
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: is dark amber, very nice. And then what's the deal

853
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: with organic honey?

854
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: So organic honey is a different type of classification. Any

855
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: of the stuff we've talked about, ultrafiltered, pasteurized, raw, microfiltered, creamed,

856
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: all of that stuff could also be organic honey basically

857
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: as long as the organic techniques that the USDA requires

858
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: we're used to create the honey, and also on the

859
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: plants that the bees are harvesting nectar from.

860
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: That's right.

861
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: So that's it. So from what I can tell based

862
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: on all this information, grade A raw organic honey is

863
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 2: probably top of the pops for anybody.

864
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: Top of the pops. And then when it comes to flavors,

865
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: this is where we get into sort of the last piece.

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Speaker 1: We mention monofloral. The other end of the spectrum would

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Speaker 1: be multifloral, and that is just simply what these bees

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Speaker 1: are flowering on or what they're what kind of flowers

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00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: they're dancing with. Sure, if they're dancing with one flower,

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00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: and you know, ed points out bees or bees, so

871
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: it may be hard to make sure that's the only thing,

872
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: but us they are. If it's labeled monoploral honey, that

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00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: probably means that they have this. A farm has planted

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00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: a very very large area of one thing, so it's

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00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: really likely that the bee is eating almost all of that.

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00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: Or you can like the wildflowre honey, it's just multiflorals, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: whatever's in the area, have at it. There can be

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00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: different flavors, but it's not exactly like there are notes

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00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: of things. It's not like if you eat orange blossom honey,

880
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: it tastes like you square to orange in it, but

881
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: there will be like notes of citrus and things like that.

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00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: I actually saw on a site of different types of

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00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 2: honey that they warn you that if your orange blossom

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00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: honey smells like orange fragrance, then you've got some sort

885
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: of fake honey, that it's being counterfeit in some way.

886
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: It's not like that, like you said, it's notes, but

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00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: Warren's blossom honey is citrusy notes. Pumpkin blossom honey has

888
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: pumpkinny notes. I think sour wood is herbal and woodsy

889
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: or no, that's oh, what is that, Chuck Linden. Linden

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00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 2: honey herbal and woodsy. Eucalyptus honey has like a slight

891
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: menthol note to it. Buckwheat honey. I don't think I've

892
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: ever had it, but it's almost like black in color.

893
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: It's definitely the dark amber side of the fun scale.

894
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: But it also has like kind of like a slight

895
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: bitter note to it too. I want to try it.

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00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: It sounds almost like tortuous, but I would still try.

897
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: I'll try basically any honey at least once.

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00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're all kinds of great honey, sort of

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00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: like flavored honeys, and the honey is still in it,

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00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: so it's still great for you and delicious, but like

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00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: bourbon honeys and like sort of spicy chili pepper honey

902
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, all sorts of delicious things out there.

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00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: One of our favorite things to do is go to

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00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: the our local farm co op and get that local honey,

905
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: and you know, costs a little bit more. But like

906
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: they're doing the right thing and not like Will Ferrell

907
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: and Lebron James. Did you see that?

908
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: Did they get into honey?

909
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: They are. Actually it's a pretty cool thing. They partnered

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00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: along with some other celebrities with a company called Flamingo Estate,

911
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: which is listed here as an urban farm and lifestyle brand. Okay, selles,

912
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of stuff, urban straw hats, but

913
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: they serve curated farm boxes. But what they've done is,

914
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: I think they've gone to some of these celebrities who

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00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: have large properties and said, hey, how'd you like your

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00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: own honey we can make we can keep bees on

917
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: your property and it will be called Will Ferrell honey

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00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: and it'll cost two hundred and fifty dollars a jar. No,

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00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: but it goes to charity.

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00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: Okay, they've pulled it out at the end there. You

921
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: know where they should go is the Magnum's estate. He

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00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: has big avocado farms and apparently, yeah, and apparently avocado

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00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: honey is a thing too.

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00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, Before we.

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Speaker 2: End this, chuck, if you'll indulge me, I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to rattle off the properties that have been found among

927
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: some of the compounds that you find in honey. If

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00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: you're indulge me, you're ready that these compounds found in

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00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: honey are shown to possess these properties antibacterial, anti viral, antifungal, antioxidant,

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00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 2: anti inflammatory, anti neoplastic, antimicrobial, anti carcinogen, anti arrhythmic, anti leash, menial, antithrombotic,

931
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: anti mutinogenic, mutagenic, anti nosusceptive, anti mycobacterial, anti proliferative, and

932
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: immune boosting properties, not to mention that it's hypocholesteroemic, cardioprotective,

933
00:50:53,640 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: anti hypertensive, hepatoprotective, hypoglycemic, and neuroprotective, nephro protective, gastro protective,

934
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: so on, so forth, And it can improve sperm count

935
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: and their motility and protects against vaginal and uterine atrophy.

936
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Speaker 2: Plus it improves the normal estros cycle.

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00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: Wow, isn't that amazing? That's did you say antichrist in there?

938
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: I think so it's miraculous, but in like the reverse manner,

939
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: uh huh, you got anything else?

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00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: I have nothing else.

941
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: I don't either, and that means, of course, everybody, it's

942
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: time for listener mail.

943
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to make this one very short because I

944
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: just wanted to shout out that we got a I

945
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: got an email from well, we got one from our

946
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: old buddy, Aaron Mazelle, who helps pet up the stuff

947
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: you should know. Five K.

948
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad you thought of this.

949
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: But Aaron, I think, was trying to locate this English

950
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: professor that taught my Shakespeare class. I don't think she

951
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: landed on it, but someone else did and said, was

952
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: it doctor Vance? And I was like, oh, it totally was.

953
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: As soon as I heard the name, I remembered, and

954
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: I believe Aaron though or now I feel bad because

955
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was Aaron or the other

956
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: person who wrote in was still in touch with doctor Vance,

957
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: got in touch with him and said, hey, Chuck took

958
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: your classes. You may have even taken some classes from vants.

959
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: Who knows?

960
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember me?

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Speaker 2: No?

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00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: I didn't, Okay, Oh I guess so I was an

963
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: English major, so I was always over there. But doctor

964
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: Vance send in an email which I haven't responded to,

965
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: but I'm going to do that today. It said, Chuck,

966
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: can't tell you how honored I was by your remarks

967
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I thank you so very much. All

968
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Speaker 1: was well here, loving retirement, traveling grandchildren. And here's my

969
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: website in case you want to see what I've been publishing.

970
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: And I think everyone should go check it out. It's

971
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: a mystery thriller's literary horror, humorous romance, historical fiction. Wow,

972
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: all kinds of fun stuff and you can find all

973
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: this at author John Vance dot com.

974
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: Very nice. That was short, and Chuck appropriately sweet for

975
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: this episode.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff.

977
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: That was nice. Man, got a pat on your head

978
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: from your old English teacher.

979
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: He was the best. Man had a you know, one

980
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: of the few college professors who really impacted me.

981
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Robin Williams.

982
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get that joke.

983
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: You don't no from oh dead Boats? Yes, Okay, thank

984
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 2: you for saying that, because I was about to say,

985
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 2: from oh Captain, my captain.

986
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: That's a working title.

987
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: So if you want to be like doctor Vance and

988
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: let us know how retirement's going for you, you can

989
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 2: wrap it up in an email, spank it on the bottom,

990
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: and send it off to stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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