WEBVTT - 9-20: Bobby Cast Ep. 9 (Ryan Hurd) 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:05.519 All right, welcome to episode nine of the Bobby Cast, 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.080 brought to you by no sponsor yet. But what's great 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.200 is we did get a note saying that, uh, a 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.200 major sponsor will come aboard, so we will continue to 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.880 get to do the Bobby Cast. In my house is 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.280 Ryan Heard? Writer and now artists, I say a now artists. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.520 At one point were you were trying to be an 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.440 artist and then you you didn't you decid you were 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.920 gonna write. Now you're back again, is that right? No? 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.760 I came when I started writing songs in Nashville was 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:36.360 just to be a song So you came just to 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.400 be a songwriter. Well, I came here to go to college. Okay, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:40.680 So here's all I do. I want to start with 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.040 today and make a full circle. So that's how we'll 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.240 do this interview. By the way, Ryan Heard is here, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.080 and I hope that you will check out his music 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.920 because I'm a fan. I was playing him before he 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.560 even knew that I was gonna play it. We do 0:00:54.720 --> 0:01:07.680 us is this song here I'm bad at We do 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:13.560 We go together like cheap Champagne and you can pull 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:24.360 the baby And now I think that's the jam. And 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.039 I thought that was a jam before. Ivn't knew that, 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.919 you know, you would even be in the house because 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:31.480 I played it and you had no idea I was 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.280 gonna play it on the radio. So I woke up 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:35.959 and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get these songs ready. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.360 And we do this thing where we mix like cool 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.240 up tempo music and it's usually like Young MC and 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.360 a coolio and like some old garth and I was like, man, 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.000 we gotta throw we do us in there because that's 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.680 long as like that's the jam, and so we play 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.720 it and so you know, you have riders hours and 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.760 artist hours, so listen. I wouldn't wake up and listen 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.520 to my show if I'd have to wake up three 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.560 in the morning, Like, ain't no way that be happening. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.760 So you weren't awake, I'm assuming when it played. No, 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.400 I was telling Mike. I was like, yeah, we I 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.959 listened to the show when I'm up before ten o'clock 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.320 or moving before ten o'clock. But so once a month 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.080 or so, I'm generally an early dude. But just lately 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.400 we've been back on the road and that's a lot 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.880 of a lot of a lot of movement. So we've 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.240 been I've just been tired. But yeah, just my phone 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.240 started erupting, and that was cool. And then everyone's like, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.200 turn on the radio, turn on the radio. And I've 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.400 never had I've heard other songs I've written on the radio, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.240 but never my song on the radio. So so it 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:34.520 really it was the first time to hear your own 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.320 voice singing a song. Oh yeah, it really was. Day. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.959 I didn't know that. That's cool man, thank you very much. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.160 So I would have thought if my phone was erupting 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:44.840 that I was late to something or there had been 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.000 some tragedy. Yeah, that was it. So you thought, oh, 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.080 something's going on. Yeah, and I don't have a radio 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.519 in my house. So I ran out to my car 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.440 and I, um, I just yeah, I got a new place, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.320 and I don't even think I had I wouldn't have 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.320 had a radio and old places either, but uh, just 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.160 in my car, that's all I listened to. So I 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.520 ran out there and missed it by like two seconds. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.799 So but then I played it like five weeks straight 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.400 and then I caught it eventually. I haven't went to 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.040 my boss and I said, and I said, hey, this 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.840 Ryan heard guy like, because he's the head of the 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.760 entire country format him and I maybe for thirteen years, 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.520 through me doing rock, through me doing pop, through me 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:30.120 doing alternative sports country like him and I have been 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.920 together forever. So we had this this great trust and 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:34.720 I don't go down very often and say like this 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.720 is for real. And I went to I said, hey, 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.600 this Ryan heard guy like I don't know if this 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.640 is a single, I don't know, but like he's for real. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.880 And I remember having a talk with him about that day. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.600 So I just kept throwing the song in and then 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.480 I mean, this isn't a single, right, we do us 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:50.800 like this is just the person you put out there. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:55.560 Maybe it's a single, Like no, well, here's our plan. 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.360 This is we're gonna put out one song a month. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.320 For the next we're gonna do it four times. Uh. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.840 And just I want to build a story and I 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.720 want to have music out there to tour on because 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.240 once you hit that radio button, like that's it. You 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.720 can't really put anything else out there until that one 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.400 goes away veils or climbs until a great spot. Yeah. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.560 And so like we're I have a lot of touring 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.520 commitments over the next six months, and I'm like, I 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.039 can't go out there and tour on nothing, so we 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.560 just I don't know what we thought about putting out 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.240 an EP, and I've already done that and pulled it 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.120 um and and I love the music we made on that, 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.000 but it just felt like everyone was doing an EP, 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.360 and so it felt cool too. I don't know, get 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.159 to go and do a song a month and see 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.039 how each one of them goes. And I love the 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.560 single mentality though too, like you're doing because you know, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.160 in my limited experience putting out a couple of records, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:48.880 we did a comedy record and we did kids record. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.000 Like I would rather put out a song every for 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.280 many weeks or months to of like thirteen at one time, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.159 because people don't like consume stuff like that anymore. Yeah, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.839 And I think the fun part about doing one at 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.159 a time is like now the digital stuff, like the 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.760 digital platforms just let you do it. You don't have 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.479 to plan that much in advance. You can just be like, 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:09.960 you know what, this is cool, let's put it out 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:11.760 if we want to. We can get it out in 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.839 two days, which is a really really amazing thing about 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:20.000 like the like music becoming more of a democracy. That's 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.599 the good thing. The bad thing is you don't get paid. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.960 That sucks about And I tell people if he's like 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.240 an artist by the download even though the downloads like 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.680 download song with such a streaming like really just keeping 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.839 it real because I'm making a crap off streaming. No, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.960 it's hard. That part's hard, and it's hard because it's 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.599 it's sort of like if you an artist in my position, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.080 and just to be completely honest is like you don't 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.279 want to bite at this level, like bite the hand 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.160 that feeds you. Well, streaming sucks and but lesson, I'm 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.799 an artist has song up there streaming too. But streaming 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.919 will get fixed. That's the thing. The Internet is a wild, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.159 wild West right now, and I'm on the inside watching 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.600 the legal part of it too. There's just no rules 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.000 right now, and we're fighting for rules. And you know, 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.200 you guys as writers, and you're a writer and a performer, 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.480 so you're on both sides. You get publishing and you're 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.400 also getting you know, the artist part of it as well. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.640 One of our best friends fights for songwriter's name is 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.800 Lee Thomas Miller. That's my dude, like my favorite dude, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.080 like one of my best friends. So he goes and 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.800 he fights against me in Congress and then he comes 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.520 to my house and we write funny songs together. So 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.720 but the Internet is such the wild wild West right 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.240 now that it will fix itself. I think it has 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.640 to if you want to have professional songwriters going forward. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:34.000 They cultivated absolutely right. So you put, oh, here's my 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.040 very first Ryan heard story. Um, I didn't know Ryan. 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.680 And I saw Ryan walking in the back of bridge Stone. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.799 Maybe it was c M A No, was it CMR 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:50.120 A c M awards? Well maybe seeing so many of these, well, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.960 I don't know. We're walking back at Santon I saw right. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.880 I was like, oh, I don't. I'm the guy that's 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.720 awkward and I don't want to approach anybody because I 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.280 always felt like a bother them. And I saw Ryan walking, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.200 I was like, want to tell I'm a fan of him, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.400 but I don't want to bother him because he's walking, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.680 he's kind of by himself. And so I am a 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.520 believer that if you're a fan of someone, you should 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.960 always tell them. Now it's up to them how they react, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.400 and if they're with their kids or they're eating food, 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.000 don't But other than that, if you're a fan of them, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.200 go and tell them. And I walked up to you, 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.640 and I was nervous and I was like, I don't 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.960 know if you remember this, even remember the whole, And 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.360 I was like, hey, dude, I just want you to 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.280 know I'm a huge fan of what you do. And 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:31.360 the rest was kind of a blur to me, because 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.040 like when you talk to a pretty girl and you 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.720 gotta don't remember what they say. Next I remember, you'll 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.920 be very nice to me, and I'm very appreciative of 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.840 that because I am a huge fan. And so I 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.360 want to play a little bit of the new song here. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.600 This is the hook of loving a Bar and so 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.160 anything you want to say about this one before I 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:54.320 play it. Man, I could talk about a lot about this. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.000 I mean, I'm making a record right now. And the 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.600 first two I had so much material and it didn't 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.600 connect in any way. And then I wrote I got 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.160 this song back. I wrote it with my friend Jelly Hide, 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.440 who is an incredible guitar player and artist and writer, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:10.960 and he made me write the song that day. I 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.160 didn't want to write, and I was like, I want 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.080 to go home, I want to do something else, and 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.000 he's like, no, you gotta sit and finish this today. Buddy, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.680 he's like my best friend, and uh, he did the 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.880 demo and it came back and just made so many 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.720 songs makes sense. And then the same thing that we 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.360 do us when we got that back, it made all 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.240 of the poppy or stuff makes sense. And so that's 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:29.960 a cool part about getting to make a record is 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:35.400 tying it together. But man, it it's it's a It's 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.960 a pretty intimate song to me. It's like those moments 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.800 that you find yourself like going and like going out 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.160 of your way to see somebody and and not necessarily 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.440 consciously doing it. And it just that title was in 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.520 my head for so long, Loving a Bar, Loving a Bar, 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.120 and I think it was just from watching a movie 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.839 or something, But I love it. Like the melody is 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.720 powerful and the lyric is really intimate and cool and 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.760 and honest, and uh yeah, I just it feels like 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:12.360 track one, you know what I mean, A bar Thanks. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:20.040 It was that single like s She's smoking Now we 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:41.760 can't back was saying town that. Yeah, that dude, I 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.880 love rock and roll too, And that's part of this 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.760 getting I feel like not a lot of people are 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.880 doing that kind of rock and roll. They're not because 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.600 they're scared too quite frankly, and rock and roll is 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.400 awesome and it's part of just the culture of America. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:10:21.520 It was a sick rolling parts like s smoke. Do 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.319 you have trouble listening back to yourself? Or do you? 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:30.400 Are you cool with it? Uh? If it's good? Yeah? Okay? 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.160 So you wrote that one after cant your friends like, hey, 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.600 stick around? Where did you write we do Us? So 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.120 that's I wrote that with my friend Mikey Reeves and 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.320 my friend Laura Belts and Laura wrote yeah. So Laura 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.160 wrote Drunk last Night for Eli Young band and she 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:52.320 wrote uh, Lonely Eyes Chris Young songs. She wrote three 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.640 songs on Marion's record, and we've always been really close 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.920 just personally, and we've written a lot of songs together 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.560 and have a couple of things together, cuts together than whatnot. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.800 But it was her title and that's her singing and 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.360 sing that's Laura singing, that's launching. That's not Marin singing. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.280 It sounds just like Maren singing. Everyone thinks that's do 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.959 you know that everyone thinks that's Marion singing? Do they really? 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:20.760 Everyone thinks that's Maren going? Oh, that's Laura. Mike, who 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.440 do you think everybody I've talked to thinks that's Maren. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.920 I mean, I love singing with Maren. I miss it 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:32.200 a lot, but I'm away, okay, But think about this though. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.400 So Laura Belts wrote for Maren. With Maren she wrote Rich, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.680 which is like I love Rich, and she wrote I 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.280 could use a love song, and she she wrote, that's 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.840 two on the man? Are three on that one? One? More? 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.680 Help me out, Laura, I can't believe that's not Marin. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.920 I'm blowing a White's No, she sings on a couple 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.679 other She'll sing on a couple of other things on 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.199 my record. But that's crazy, like a little bit of 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.880 mind blown there. So you wrote you have those two? 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.960 So did you write anywhere special in Mikey studio? I 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.080 think it might be Mikey's first like major cut in 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.400 country music here in Nashville. He's just really cool, hetty 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.440 dude who like is really into like the existential quality 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.280 of every piece of the song. And I just he 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.480 produced that with my friend Aaron s His who I 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.400 grew up with and as my producer. But callumas in Michigan, 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.599 and so you guys really grew up together. Calumazo and 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.199 he's here and he's you guys are working. We came 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.160 here together like ten years ago. Yeah. He went and 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.120 did audio stuff at Belmont and I went and did 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.000 my sociology degree. And that's something I wanted to touch on. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.319 Like as we go around the circle here, So you 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.319 came to Nashville to be a sociologist. No, I came 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.200 to Nashville to not be at home anymore. Fair enough 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.400 for point one. Then what was the other reason you 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.200 came to Nashville. I wanted to. I mean, I just 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.800 my mom took me to colleges and we came to Belmont, 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.200 and I love I just loved Nashville and I wanted 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.640 to be in Nashville. And we went to the school 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.559 and I was in a band my first year, and 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:01.880 I was like, I don't want to do that anymore. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.680 Rock and roll band. Yeah, And then I just said 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.560 I want to do school. And I found the professor 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.960 that interested me, and like, I loved doing the sociology stuff. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.800 I liked the challenge of it, and I liked reading 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.120 a lot. I still like to read a lot. And 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.240 then I did an econ major two at the end 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:19.839 because I did so much summer school I had a 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.160 lot of time, and then I just killed myself to 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.920 get out, like basically to get done with in time 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.920 in four years. And then I got out of school. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.520 Were you doing music the all time or now? No? 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.960 I didn't do it for like three years. Wow. Wow. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.720 And then I got out of school and I was 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.080 gonna go to graduate school and I just couldn't pull 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.680 the trigger. I was like, I just for some reason 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.199 can't do it. And I wanted to go to Michigan 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.960 and it just wasn't the right thing. And I never could. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.560 You know when you're like you know what you're supposed 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.000 to do something when you're not. And I just didn't 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.280 do it. Did you feel the calling to come to 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.520 Nashville maybe like in your heart that you didn't know 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.760 it subconsciously because of the music? Well, I grew up 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.320 making music with their in Kalamazoo, So yeah, I think 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.480 we wanted to be here to be around music. And 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.720 he went and did became the producer engineer guy, and 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.520 he's brilliant at it and he's the hardest worker I've 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.640 ever met. And then I got out of school and 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.280 it just didn't have anything to do. I like, I 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.320 had a job I moved to Montgomery, Alabama for six 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.080 months to drive my friends flatbed truck to pick up 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.960 used vegetable oil. And then I went and made bio 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:26.440 diesel with it and UK. Basically I didn't know it. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.880 I didn't know I was cooking meth. But I went 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.960 in and like filled up like a huge construction equipment 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.640 with it, and that was my job. And I was 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.200 figuring it out, and I just was like, I gotta 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.920 go back to Nashville, Tennessee. So you came to Nashville. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.160 You studied sociology. Do you have a degree in sociology? 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.480 Did you so you finished? Oh? Yeah, so you could 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.080 be a teacher. You could you have a college room, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.200 you go teach sociology to high school if you wanted to. 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.280 I could. I would be terrible at it, but yeah, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.040 I try to do that. That's crazy. So you do that. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.960 You moved down and you know you're delivering you know, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:01.040 shampoo too. I don't know. So you're down there, you're 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.080 doing that and you're like, Okay, I can't do this. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.800 Did you know you couldn't do it because of music 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.840 or did you know you just couldn't know? I knew 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.560 I wanted to write songs, I think at that point, 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.440 and I knew I wanted to write songs with Aaron, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.440 and I moved back up and I started. I was like, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.640 and here's the thing, and this is how everybody gets 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.960 into country music, I think. And you're like, how hard 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.080 could that be? Like how hard could it be to 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.080 write a great country song? And you just start doing 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:24.840 it and you start doing it. And I lived in 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:26.640 a house with these guys that I went to school 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.520 with who are not into country music at all, and 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.640 they just saw me go like I just said, he 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.400 wanted to do country music and he's doing it. And 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.520 they didn't like the music I was writing, but they 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.040 were really cool about it. Like I'd be in the 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.160 middle of the day just like plucking away at these 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.320 songs that weren't very good that I thought were great 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.480 with Aaron and Joey Hyde and Matt McGinn, and they 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.000 just were cool with it. And they'd be like, what 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:49.640 did you do the damn? I play it for him 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.840 and that's cool. But we just kind of put our 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.440 heads down and said, I want to write we want 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.640 we want to write country songs. Did you realize it 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.320 probably is a lot harder than thought it was gonna be. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:03.960 It's impossible. It's it's still impossible. Like you, you don't 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.640 understand how I say this all the time, Like you 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.360 never once you get your foot in there, you realize 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.920 how difficult it is to like it's the loneliest thing 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.760 ever to try to get your foot in the door here. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.720 And I always tell people to like find your people, like, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.360 don't ask, don't find somebody who has a lot of success, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.360 and that's them to write, because you're not gonna write 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.200 their best song, and they're not gonna help you write 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.640 your best song. It's like you you find people that 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.600 are like minded, because it's so lonely to like get 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.560 good at this and to get in a spot where 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.920 like people notice you that you got to have those 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.360 people there to like keep you wanting to do it. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.600 And we just kind of put our heads down and 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:51.560 wrote songs and then made some demos, some really bad demos, 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.280 and then came back and wrote some more songs and 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.720 made some more bad demos and eventually like played some 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.280 writers rounds and then got a little attention you talking 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.320 about you know you're so I got a school out 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.359 of school in two thousand and nine, and I signed 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.320 my first publishing deal in two thousand and twelve, so 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.000 he spent a couple two years basically getting good enough 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.720 to get my foot in the door. As you were 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.120 riding in Nashville, did you have any jobs here to eat? Like? Oh, yeah, 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.080 I worked at eating So I took my degree and 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.919 I had this contract job. I always remember this. I 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.760 did it even after I wrote started writing songs at 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.520 this place on twelveth Avenue called you know, I did 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.520 Methodist Communications and I did research for them from like 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.720 eight am until eleven am when I had to go 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.320 write and research. I wrote surveys and did stats work. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.080 It was so boring. I had a desk. You're working 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.280 at the desk, probably thinking the whole time, like I 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.320 can't wait to get here to go actually do the 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.480 job that's really gonna pay me nothing but hopefully will 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.320 be my career. And then even after I got my deal, 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.320 I was so nervous about actually making money like I 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.480 am at Universal Publishing. But I signed there, I still 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.720 kept the jobs for like three years. I'd go there 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.280 every morning. Yeah, because you're just terrified that as I'm 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.800 still terrified, Like you still have to be terrified you're 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:10.360 still You're like, oh my gosh, in any minute, all 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.680 the with the creative at any minute, it could all 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.800 go away. In any minute, it could all come a 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.639 thousand pounds greatness too, But even that could go away, 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.000 like I've just seen it happen to. So I've seen 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.720 much smarter, more talented, funnier people that may not make it, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.199 and then I've seen people that have made it so 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.080 and then lost it all. And it's just a weird 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:31.919 thing to be in a creative industry. But if we 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.520 didn't love what we did with all of our hearts, 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.320 and it wasn't our only option to do it, we 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.399 couldn't when we wouldn't do it. And that's how I 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.119 tell people all the time, So like, how do I 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.360 be a comedian? And I'm like, well, that's what I do. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.240 I go up there and suck, but I love sucking. Well, 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.960 let me repace that. I go there and I bomb, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.679 but I love bombing to the point where I get good. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.240 And how do you know how you could be on 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.479 the radio? How do you get I love it so 0:18:55.560 --> 0:19:00.000 much that you know there were there were twenty nine 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.199 and jobs I did not get in radio before I 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.960 got my like my first real one and now I 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.159 have the biggest country show in in the United States. 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.240 It's not because it's just because I just kept on 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.760 the key. The keys, just keeping on and keep growing. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.359 Here's the song. This is the first one that I 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.520 knew from you and it was a monster too. So 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.439 this is Lonely Tonight and this is Blake Shelton and 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.600 one of my like I love Ashton Monroe like man 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.719 like she was just a heart on her. It's so good. 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.920 I voted for her for Album of the Year last 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:37.400 year for CMA is just because whatever the for Blade, Yeah, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.680 I just I was like, what's the album of the year. 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.000 I was like, well, that's the one I listened to 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.040 the most, so I'm gonna vote for that one. Music 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:45.760 is great, But just as a person, I voted for 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.960 her a quaint of England actually just a different election. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.439 But so Blake and Ashley had the song. But you 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.720 wrote this with who my friend Brent Anderson two man, right, 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.320 oh man, you get got got paid like crazy. Okay, 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:25.719 here is Lonely Tonight. This is Ryan her uh we like, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.840 it's Blake and it's a big name and it's actually 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.240 here's my story about this because I want to know 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.280 how this came together. But I was sitting at dinner 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.159 and I don't keep a lot of artist friends because 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.280 I like to be objective and if it's not good, 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:41.800 I just can't go on the are and say it's good. 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.080 And I was sitting with Ashley at dinner and it 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.160 was just her and I and she was like, I've 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.080 got this song and she goes, that's not mine, it's Blake's, 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.199 but I'm gonna be on it. I just they just 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.800 offered me that the duet to it, and it's called 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.960 Lonely Tonight. She goes, it's so good, and she goes, man, 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.440 I hope that this is a single. She goes, because 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.560 I feel so strongly about this song. And you know, 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:09.040 Ashley is very traditional sounding, and she was like, it's 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.080 a little not right up my alley, but it feels 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.280 so good to do. And it was freaking Blake Shelton, 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.440 like if Lke Sheldon wanted to do a farting duet. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.040 So um. She was like, I just feel so good 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.760 about this song. And this says I don't know how 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.760 many weeks before it ever came out, but she was 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.359 telling me about it and then I remember hearing it 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.400 the first time, a going wow. So you this song 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.920 comes and you you and you who wrote it with you? 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.800 Brent Anderson. Okay, so tell me about where were you 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:37.320 when you wrote this? Just wrote it in the writer's 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:39.399 room kind of like kind of like this, and we 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.159 wrote it and we were excited enough to show his 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:46.919 publisher Segale, which is Brad Brad Paisley's publishing company, and 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.080 we walked down and played for him and this is great, 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.680 this is great. And it wasn't originally a duet. There 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.560 was this like weird like echo part which is where 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.000 she sings now, but it was this really weird thing 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.879 that we kind of Brent definitely wrote that part and 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.680 uh we just like everything was cool about it except 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.919 for that. I'm just kidding. I wrote that part. But 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.600 there's this weird echo part. And we got to the 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.800 studio to cut the vocal and I was like, dude, 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.879 this is a duet. This space maision in the studio 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:18.960 to switch the song to duet. Yeah, Brent and I did, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.800 and we called our friend Sarah Hayes, who's an artist 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.600 in town and a killer songwriter. She wrote She's on 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.000 that Jennifer Nettles single right now and she wrote Carrie 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:32.960 song She's fantastic. But she came in and we wrote 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.320 that while she was on the way to the studio. 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:36.879 We had to write the lyrics for it, which is 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.840 like the really simple lyrics, and as the whole time 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.240 we're cutting this vocal, I was like, is that too simple? 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:43.919 Is that too simple? And it turns out it's like 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:47.160 the most accessible part of the song. And I'm really 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:48.920 glad we made it a duet. So you made it 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:53.239 a duet? Okay, So you guys cut the song. Did 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.000 you know where it was going first? Now? Because uh 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.600 all it got pitched to Warner over and over for 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.359 Blake Shelton. I don't know how all this stuff always happens. 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.080 It's always in the dark to me. But Rebecca Gordon 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.400 at Warner Brothers held it twice and showed Scott Hendricks, 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.240 so they held it like maybe this will be a song. 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.679 They let it go, then they held it again. They 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:18.000 showed his producer Scott Hendricks again. He's like, I don't 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.520 want that and then he gets empty. He gets directly 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.400 MP three the song from a publisher like you gotta 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:25.920 take a look at this song. If you haven't heard 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:29.520 it's like no Scott Hendricks again. He's like, I love this. 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:33.000 How have I not heard this yet? Three times? And 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.680 maybe it was just a computer he was on. I 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:37.600 don't know. I don't know how this stuff works, you know, 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.879 having like getting a song on a record is like 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:43.399 getting like ten coin flips to go your way, and 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.720 then getting it on the radio is like getting ten more. 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.480 So that's the next step. Okay, So Blake says it's 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.600 no longer on because there's the step of writing it. 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:52.360 Then there's the step up a getting on a hole, 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.920 which means you're not on the record yet. Yeah. Holding 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:57.719 a song just means you can't show this to anybody 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.000 else you're not supposed to. I'm holding it. I got 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:02.880 so I've got DIBs until I turn it down exactly. 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.520 So at that point they had DIBs on it till 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.119 they turned it down. Sure, But then you hear a 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.520 lot of noise like we're definitely doing this. Okay, where'd 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.679 that cover? Where did you hear first? And you know 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.760 it was Blake. He was like, I'm in Yeah, just 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:15.680 the day that they were we knew the day they're 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:19.359 going back into cut and then you know, as my 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.840 friend Derek Wells plays guitar for all the Blake stuff, 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.520 plays on almost everybody's stuff, and he, uh, he was 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:27.880 texting me from the studio like cutting your song right now. 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.800 But you knew, So I knew it was happening, like 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:34.320 making a murderer. And inside you always have to have 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:38.560 somebody that you know, and at this point you know everybody. Yeah, 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.840 I mean that's that was I mean, I've had my 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:42.280 song cut by a lot of people. But when you 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.160 have a name like that, that's like a that's no 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.120 matter if it's on the radio or anyone even ever 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.080 hears it. That's like you're a little piece of country 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:53.000 music history no matter what. So that and it gives 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.280 you so much like validation and so much credibility, and 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.199 you know you can get you can your publisher can 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:00.960 go out and say, like Ryan just got a Blake 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.480 Shelton cut. That's a huge deal, which gets you bigger 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.879 rights and better rights and more. It's currency. It's exactly 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:09.439 what it is. I mean, it's when you get it. 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.720 So did you know Ashley Monroe was on this song? 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:14.879 And at what point? Actually I knew she was gonna 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:20.040 be on it before because she called my publisher and 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:21.399 I was like, can I write with the guys that 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.840 wrote this song? So she ended up writing with me 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:27.720 and Aaron, who's my producer, just and she talked about 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.520 it the entire time. Who wrote a cool song that 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:33.520 they too? Uh, But she talked about being on the 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:37.080 song over and over and how how much it meant 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.160 to her because she was just putting the blade out. 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.080 She hadn't quite yet and she had. You know, it's 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.760 hard for someone who's like more of a traditional country 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:47.560 music person to get on the radio a whole lot. 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.080 It's just the way that it is. It always has 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.040 been that way in the last ten years or whatever. 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:55.080 So she was so excited. I don't know, I love Ashley. 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:56.600 I've got to know where through it. And she's just 0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:00.440 a really gentle has like this gentle spirit that so cool, 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:07.320 and she's so into what she does so like cuts 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.040 great songs. She's a great writer. But yeah, so that 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.800 was I met her through that, through her hearing the song, 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.439 I wanted to be on it, and then she we 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.440 got to be friends through that, so that happens. They 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:22.480 cut it. Now it's single time, okay, and everybody who 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:24.080 cuts a song on any record they want to be 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:28.600 the single. So where how in the world does this 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.160 song get picked? And where were you they? So they 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:35.800 put out Neon Light first, and uh, which is awesome. 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.240 Did you think maybe it had a chance to be 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.520 They kind of whispered at it being a single. And also, 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.760 if you see a record label a record company put 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.879 out a duet with both partners on the same label, 0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:48.680 it means you don't have to go ask for single 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.199 rights from another label, so it's a little easier for 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.480 them to just go put it right out. So because 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.560 Blake and Ashley are on the same record label, it 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.760 was kind of like they were setting it up not 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.560 only as a single for him, but as sort of 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.359 like a launch pad heard and so we kind of 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.560 heard whispers the entire time that it would be second 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.399 And then like three weeks before Neon Light went number one, 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.000 they told us that it would be the single, and 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.919 then they told us that like two weeks later, a 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.680 week that they were dropping the single of the night 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.480 of the c m A Awards, and they were performing 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:20.840 it on the c m A Awards. So we were 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.800 all at a party. I remember, it was me a 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.160 whole bunch of people, just friends that are writers, that 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.359 are that do this with me, all sitting that it 0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.920 was tin roof across from the arena. There's a big 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.639 party that some publishers throw and we watched it happened 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.080 live on the broadcast, and then the next day it 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:40.600 went for ads. Surreal when you watched it. Yeah, I 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:43.080 mean i'd I'd seen one time my song on TV 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.080 before I had the Swan Brothers first single later on 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.359 and they played it on the voice. I like those guys, 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.240 but let's be real, that's not Blake. And actually, oh 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:53.200 it was the voice, so it kind of was Blake. 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:58.479 But no, I mean that's a that's a career highlight. 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.120 I mean always were always you're sitting in the bar 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.280 watching like and you know it's about to be the 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.679 single too. And I had a guy talking to me 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.840 through it the entire time. He had no idea, he 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:10.879 just was talking like we were having a conversation, and 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.439 I'm watching the TV and I'm just like, not, I 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.600 remember this. I remember him being right here. And then 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:18.600 like halfway through the solo, he's like, oh, did you 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.840 write this song? And I looked at it. I was like, yeah, 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:25.399 it's like, oh, and he disappears, so then it goes 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.440 and then it it's not just a hit. I mean 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:33.120 it's a smash. Thank you so, and no that's dad. 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.160 I mean you're welcome. But I mean people loved it, 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.080 and I mean it was you know, it was the 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.280 country booty call song, like it really was. But I 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:47.040 think it's something everybody like and people and people love 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.120 Blake and it was one of his and he had 0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.160 so many number ones in a row. I'll ask you 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.120 this person was the pressure there was gonna be? Maybe 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:55.920 it is not first number one, even though it was 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:57.800 a great song. You didn't you didn't want to run 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.960 the streak, you know, Yeah, I thought about that. And 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.040 you don't realize how bad you want it until you're 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.000 right there and you're like, man, when you have a song. 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.320 And hopefully I'm old enough now to know, like not 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.840 to live and die by this. But you're watching it 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:13.400 and it gets up to three, and it gets up 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.320 to two, and I remember talking to some people at 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.120 Big Machine and they're like, we're going for a second 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.440 week at Thomas Rhett and I forget which one it was. 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:26.920 It was the Ah, I can't remember. I'm blanking on 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.800 two songs. I usually don't do that, but I remember 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:31.600 being there, like, I can't believe they're going for a 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.440 second week on this. No one ever does that. Nobody 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.640 does it. It's always cleared and they're not fighting someone 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.320 for a number one spot, right, and and so I 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:42.840 just remember being like, how can you do that? This 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.040 is my first one? Like like Scott boys Shadow would 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:46.880 like that's goes into his thinking. It's like Ryan really 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:51.640 wants the number one. So but I remember watching it, 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.640 and I remember they told me, like, we'll know what 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:55.680 twelve sitting at too. He's at one. And you can 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.160 kind of watch the media base. You can watch the 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.520 charts in real time on the internet. In five minutes. 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.560 I can watch them. Yeah, And so you watch it 0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.040 and you're like, I think we're gonna get it. I 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:06.920 think we're gonna get it. And then like the radio 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:08.800 people call and they're like, we're calling this number one, 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.440 we're calling this number one, and we'll know officially at midnight. 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.480 And so I'm sitting there at midnight like cool, we'll 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:16.840 no officially at midnight. And at midnight comes and I 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.960 call my publisher and he doesn't pick up, and I 0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:21.640 call my other publisher and they don't pick up, and 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.320 I call everybody and they're like, oh, yeah, we don't 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.520 know until like five am. Just wake up in the morning, 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.880 we'll tell you coast. Yeah. So I was like I 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.040 kind of was like losing my mind a little bit. 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.280 It was crazy. And but you know, when you wake 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:37.880 up and you do have a number one song, and 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:43.640 so you and you go, but like you move here 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.320 to get that's what you do, is you move here 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.800 to have to be a hit songwriter and to have 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.360 number one songs. And you know, I've been fortunate to 0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:55.280 have like everything that you could possibly have happened to 0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.680 you as a songwriter already happened to me. Like I've 0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:01.320 had songs get old and let go. I've had songs, 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.560 I've had songs get cut by great artists. I've had 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.040 songs get on the radio and Diet fifty three. I've 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:10.840 had songs get a top twenty, top fifteen, top ten, 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.320 and then I have want to actually ring the bell 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:19.560 is a miracle all it is. It's very cool. That's cool. Yeah, 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:21.440 it's cool that he had to wait now it's cold, 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:24.080 he had to wait like right then. Yeah, it makes 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.600 you want another wing you know, and it's a better 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.160 story and it makes you appreciate it. That's awesome, man, 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:37.160 I love that. Thanks, so I knew you've written that one. 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.680 I'm gonna tell you the first time. Like I talked 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.440 about friends, Dirks is a friend of mine. If I 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.760 needed cash or a ride from six hours while, he 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.160 would drive and pick me up and I would do 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.400 the same for him. Like he's that good of a dude. 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:57.320 We're both low awkward, so we worked well together. So um, 0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.400 he was like, hey, I want to send you Black 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.560 the album, and it's probably three months or so before 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.160 it was out, and he's like, give me your honest feedback. 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.800 And I'm like, dude, if you say that, I'm going 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:14.520 to because it's better to be honest than it is 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.520 to be nice, because you know, with honesty you can 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.200 always just trust with you if if I say something bad, 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.000 I'm not bad for something like that's not positive about something, 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:24.960 you can trust that when I say something good, I 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.480 mean it. In my opinion isn't always right, and I 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.400 always say that to like, an opinion is just what 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:31.840 it is. And with things in the creative world, if 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.680 anyone says their opinion is right, then They're absolutely wrong. 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:39.240 There is no universal right in anything creative. So I said, sure, 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:43.040 send me black Love to hear it. Let's see what happens. 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.760 He sends me right, D this I'll be the Moon song. 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:52.480 Best song on the record, like does it? Like I 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:54.640 know it will be the first single because it's uh 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.280 to do it. But this is the best song on 0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.520 the record. But and I started thinking, like, whoever this song? 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:03.000 Where in the world is it? Because I wonder where 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.360 people's minds are when they write songs like this, um 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.720 and so this is a U. This is so I 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:14.719 wrote I'll be the Moon. Uh, man, this song, this 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:16.560 is the best song I think I've ever written. Would 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.400 you say that? You would say that? Yeah? I mean, 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.560 I don't know. That's just the one's I don't know, man, 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.200 I can talk about it for a day. That's why 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:35.600 it's hard to say one thing about it. Like, uh, 0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:40.440 I just first of all, this song we wrote in 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.280 like less than an hour. I wrote it with Heather 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:48.840 Morgan and Matt drags drum like great throws out things 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.240 she says songs, and I'm like, I would she says 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.280 things in her songs that has I watched comedians. I would, 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.120 I'm like, oh, I just thinking that I just couldn't 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.160 say that, you know, things like that. Yeah, And so 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.000 I don't know. I'm in the middle of I'm always 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.680 thinking about like why we do this? Like wow, when 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.360 we wake up in the morning, I'm like, is this 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:08.719 where I'm supposed to be? Is this like what I'm 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:12.360 supposed to be doing? If it's writing songs, are cutting whatever, 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.239 I don't know. And this song was like you have 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:17.399 to write nine songs to get to this one, if 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.360 that makes sense. And I sat down and Heather was 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:23.919 late because she was doing traffic school on the internet. Yeah, 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.680 and uh, Matt just sits down. He had that shuffle 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:32.120 beat thing like like that I can't beat box, but 0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.680 it's like the sixth eight time thing. And I just 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.640 started playing this acoustic guitar. He's got this really cool 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.480 like ringy acoustic like Gibson acoustic guitar, and his in 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:43.960 his office. And Matt and I went to school together 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:45.920 and we've been to Mexico to write songs and we're 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:50.480 really close. And uh, I just started playing this finger 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.400 picky thing and that's not usually what I do. And 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:56.880 I just remember, that's that idea popped. That title popped 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:58.680 in my head and it was like I'll be the moon. 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.719 And I don't know where it came from. People say 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:02.200 like they fall out of the sky, and that was 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.160 a moment where it did. So as you wrote this, 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:06.200 it wasn't like you having a story of you being 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.320 the other dude, or you being the dude with another 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:14.239 dude or I don't know, man, no it's not I think, yeah, 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.360 and that's there's a lot of music that I've written 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.080 it is so dark. I think there's a difference between 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.520 real songs and true songs, like it might not be 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.439 all the way true, but it also is so real. 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.920 And that's a story that people have, and it's a 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:31.680 story that I don't know. It's like the thing where 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.480 you want what you can't have, and that's a really 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.400 difficult thing. And man, a lot of that stuff is 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:37.960 just I mean, like loving a bar and all this 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.359 other stuff like yeah, that's my life, like like that's 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:43.160 how Mary and I got to know each other. We've 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:46.839 known each other for three years writing songs, but you know, 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:51.040 like we you know, when we're starting to see each other. 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.600 It was like it was in a bar and it 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:56.440 was I know, the bar and oh yeah, that was 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.120 a that was a pretty that's a pretty true story. 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.080 Word for word. It that I heard the first time 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:04.920 I heard I'll be the Moon, like I don't again, 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.520 like you said, I don't know that feeling, but there 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:11.080 are certain songs that go deeper than just like the 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.800 epidermis of the same and it's just like, oh, man, 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.400 like it's a dude, and he's like, I know that 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:21.000 I can't be your main one, but I love you 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.880 so much that i'll be. I'm okay with being your 0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:26.400 second one because I have that much for you, and 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.080 I hurt for him and I don't even know who 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.239 he is. It's like I'll take everything that you can 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:33.040 give me, even if it's not everything. And I just remember, 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.319 like Heather are shaping the second verse and it's it's 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.319 you know, it's like when she has to leave the 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.120 bar and it's like phone lights up in the dark, 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.960 gotta go, I know, but it's still ain't easy. And 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.520 that's when I wrote it. It It wasn't a duet. That 0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:49.440 was definitely not a duet, and I cut it for 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:54.240 my record and then you know, if it wasn't Dirk Spentley, 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.600 it wouldn't come out on anybody else. It just I 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.719 didn't have a deal at the time for the song 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.000 right for Heather and Matt's sake too, especially, It's like 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.560 you cannot turn down Dirk s Bentley, and I don't 0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:07.600 think there's an artist artistically that I would have wanted 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:09.640 to do that song other than him, just because that'll 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.359 be such incredible, man. I hope so if it's not 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:13.960 who I mean, and I say this for me is 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:17.840 not my money, but people are people that that is 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.279 probably the most powerful song on that record, and I 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.279 hope he finds some sort of like awesomeness inside of that. 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.560 Oh I do, And I hope. I don't sound like 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:29.080 I'm like upset about that. I'm thrilled we were. That's 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:33.279 a that's my I texted Dirks about it. I was like, dude, 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.160 this is gonna get a lot of love album wise, 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.680 like and he is. He's nominated Album of the Year 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.040 for CMAS. But do you wish you would have kept it? 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.759 Uh No, I don't feel like that. I don't feel 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.000 like I wish it was different. I feel like it's 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.000 I'll tell you the story. So I cut it for 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.319 my record. I put out a five song EP in town. 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:52.800 I never put it on the internet. I put it 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.120 out as a fourth song EP because Dirk's recorded it, 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:59.000 and when I record are recording, I'm not I'm not 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:04.840 trying to sound at all. It's great, literally, I know, 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:06.800 I just it's it's so hard because you talk about 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.719 it's a it's a. It's literally the best recording of 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.880 that Aaron and I've ever made, and we love it 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.319 so much. And Marion sings on that one too. She 0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:18.600 sang on my whole thing on the original. Yes, so 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.640 she's singing on the original master that I don't think 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:22.799 Dirk's a Ross ever heard. They heard the demo of it. 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:27.040 We're Heather singing on it, which is its own, it's 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.040 its own thing. It's it's beautiful, it's so cool. But 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.040 our version that we cut was like this thing that 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:33.920 was so has so many swells, and Marion singing on 0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:37.040 it with me, And then when Dirk's cut it, and 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.719 then I remember Marion had just started getting she got 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.760 to deal with Sony and she's getting moving and everything 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:44.319 is happening for her and she's getting a lot of 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:46.640 really great attention, and all of a sudden we were 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.200 sitting at a bar in February Melrose on Eighth Avenue 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:51.359 and we had a beer and both of us had 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:53.160 like a dark day. I don't remember what it was, 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:55.440 but we were sitting there and we were talking and 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:56.719 she had a beer and I had a beer, and 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.400 her phone was in between us. And this is kind 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.319 of funny too, but it it's up and it's just 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:03.239 a number that she doesn't know, and it it says, Hey, Marion, 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.200 this is Dirk Spentley. I got your number from Corn 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:10.080 cap Shaw all all of your managers because I have 0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:13.520 this song that i'd love for you to consider singing 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.520 with me as a duet. It's on my new record. 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:18.239 Would you mind if I said no? She didn't know. 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.799 She had no idea that it was already like you 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:22.800 and her, she'd already sang it. He had no idea 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.920 that she knew the song, or that she her and 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.440 I had started seeing each other, and we're sitting there 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.239 and she we looked at each other. It was like 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.800 right in between us is obviously I read it. And 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.759 uh so she looks at me and she goes, I 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.239 bet that's your song, and I was like, I bet 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:43.200 that is my song? And two seconds later, an email 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.320 comes up and it's just says it says Dirk Spentley 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:46.719 at the top and just says, I'll be the moon. 0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:50.480 Crazy dude, universe. Dude, that's the universe. And so she like, 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:52.480 I don't know, she gets asked every day to do 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:54.480 stuff like that, but that's the first person that asked 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.359 her to do I think the first person that asked 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.040 her to do something, and she immediately was like, of 0:39:58.080 --> 0:39:59.799 course I'll do it. She turned me down to do 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.520 Ony record. She was one of the only she turned 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:03.960 me and I was cool with the two, but she 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:06.880 turned me down sounds like, um oh, because I'm a 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.160 huge fan, Like I was like, Maridolyn do whatever. The 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:11.160 only people that turned it down with my ex girlfriend 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.439 and that was her personal reasons, and Carrie Underwood filled 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.480 her spot. And then Marion turned me down for a 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.879 song and I'm still that was, yeah, I'm still sure 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.040 you'll have your chance. I'm a huge I'm gonna call 0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:22.600 Dark by the way, let's see if he even answers, 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:26.759 because that was that's such a cool story, myself, phone out. 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:33.080 Let's see the darks answers here. Um, let's know that 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:36.120 we got it. Hey, maybe with the kids hate calling 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:44.880 this late? Doesn't he number one right now? Yeah? Girls, 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.920 he's probably probably telling them that's ways he thinks you're calling. 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.480 But that's crazy that you were with her when you 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.319 get the Texas and hey, Marina, you should sing this 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:57.840 song and those songs she already knew and it was her, dude, 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.799 and she'd already sung the Master with me the first time. 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.680 It's you know, the cool part is that, like we've 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.640 her and I have made music together for the last 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:07.920 two years. We were friends. We had other people that week. 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:09.520 You guys were way friends before you did it. Like 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:13.200 you guys, we're songwriters and just and we wrote. You 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.680 have cuts with other people together. And she's got have 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:17.600 a song on her record and she has one on 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.360 my song on her record. I wish I was, Oh dude, 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:23.520 that's a jam. Yeah, And it's the first song that 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.680 she held as an artist. We wrote it, which is 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.319 to me, I don't know, I love being a part 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.320 of it. Let me ask you about that song because 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.839 watch in my head, illsto actually driving back down here. 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.680 So that song to me, I wish I was because 0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:36.560 you know, I'm a huge mari and fan too. Yeah, 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.520 of course okay um and so I wish I was. 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.480 It was like a song about someone who wishes they 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:44.200 could be with the other person wants them to be, 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.200 but they can't. Yeah, it's like I wish that I 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:48.000 could still love you, but I can't, and I kind 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:49.600 of feel bad about the fact that I can't still 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:53.399 love you, but I just can't do exactly. I relate 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.040 to that song because I've had some I've had that 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.600 awesome girl. That's one of those songs that I like. 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.000 A few songs speak to me, am I life seven right, 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.040 songs really speak to me. John Mayer stopped this train 0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.520 speaks to me. You know, there are songs. Walker Hayes 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.480 has a new song called The Comedian. Yeah, that sounds 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.400 so good talking about Walker forever. Walker is like my 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.120 I mean again, you like your girlfriend does. It's oh dude, 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.560 but your girlfriend does. Yeah, that's my that's one right. 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.480 I was trying to Damn. I was trying to write 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.839 that song like two weeks ago. I was like, man, 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.280 I was like, we should get This is a terrible idea. 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.400 And I told mar and she's like, that's the stupidest idea. 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.719 It's like we should get uh t shirts that say 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.880 your girlfriend loves we do us and that's a terrible idea. 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:41.360 But like the next week he came out with that 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.000 that song, which is perfect exactly. I could never grace 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.520 project both the EPs, and you know, I played them 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:48.640 on the air and I'm like, you, guys, this is 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:51.120 the next level. Okay, every program director can be mad 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.800 at me for playing it, but you know I started 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:54.200 out with where my Shade Dead? That was part of 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:56.440 the first track, and then now you know, Break the 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:58.200 Internet fits in well with a lot of the stuff 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.480 that we do. But the comedians about and again I 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.319 talked about songs that speak to me. And the thing 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.120 of the song is, you know, the people that make 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:09.120 people laugh the most usually the most sad inside. And 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:10.560 I fought that for a lot of my life. I 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.560 fought being the guy that really tries to entertain because 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:16.000 I have a lot of insecurities and a lot of 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:20.200 sadness um inside, and so I try to be that. 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.000 When you wrote that song, and I text him immediately 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:27.120 and I was like, dude, like I almost cried because 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:30.120 of a song that I heard. I've never this Like 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.160 you spoke to me and you had no idea that 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.480 you were speaking to me by writing a song at 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.960 Walker Hays was next level. It's brilliant. That's not not 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:42.840 a word you should throw around too much, but it's brilliant. 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.799 It's and and people don't even realize it yet, and 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:47.279 then the year people will be like, why didn't not? 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:49.120 Why do we not get on this Walker Hayst thing? 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.360 And so um that song speaks to me in the 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.160 back of the one I would the song that you 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:57.280 That song speaks to me because I'm such a jackass 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.759 and I say it, I've had had the ask girlfriends 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.279 and I'm I'm a polo crap. I don't treat them 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.680 like crap. I really try to treat humans the best 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:07.520 that I can treat them. But there's become a point 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:09.839 with my past girlfriends where I just know I wasn't 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.359 good enough for them, and then I couldn't give them 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.760 what they needed as far as love because I'm broken. 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:16.600 I know I'm broken. I gotta find I've got to 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.800 fix myself, and so I wish that I could have 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.000 given them what they deserved. And that song, like you 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:24.759 know you wrote that song. That's crazy because now I'm 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.919 like like my therapist right now, I hear that song 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.720 and I'm like, god, dude, that that's just me talking 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.040 to like my last three or four girlfriends that were 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.239 so great. So as you write that song, like, what 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.080 are you guys talking about as it's coming together? I mean, 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:42.040 I think we're both going through breakup. So she was 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:46.240 definitely and uh, it was the last song we wrote. 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:52.120 Uh yeah, and the hook is I'm not the one, 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:56.600 but I wish. I was like, I'm not your person anymore. 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.239 I wish I could be, but I just can't. Uh. 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:01.359 And you know that we wrote with Natalie Hemby and 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.520 just that Marion does that soul thing so well that 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:11.360 just that sixties oh this sound apparently listen to some 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:13.640 live South By South with Spotify session. All right, go ahead, 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.799 keep going. Uh yeah, it's she's so good at that 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.320 sixties and the seventies like motown thing, and that's just 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.000 kind of where it started. And she had just kind 0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.839 of decided, like I'm tired of people telling me like 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:27.799 that they can't sing my song, like they're like I 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:29.920 love this, I just can't physically sing it. That that 0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.000 happened to her a lot, and she was like, I 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:35.320 just I want to start playing again. I wanted. I 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:36.960 don't want to be just a writer, and that was 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:39.600 a cool moment for her and a cool moment for 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.560 me to watch happened. And we were just a creative 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.160 partnership at that point. And then I don't know. This 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:56.719 one was the first song. It's so good. This is 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.000 the first song that she held as an artist, which 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:10.000 means for ever, I know I'm breaking your heart, so 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:16.680 sitting what you want to, I'm not gonna stop you. 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.840 You can blame it all on me. I got to 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:27.000 sing the harmonism. I'm got the hero and the staring. 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:34.200 I'm not the girl that gets the glove because I 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:42.800 can't up and I'm not, but I wish, but I wish. 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.800 It's such a weird relationship just in the song because 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.560 she's the villain, but she's actually the good guy at 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:52.080 the same time. Yeah, she can't give it to you. Sorry, 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:53.839 but I'm gonna be honest about it. And I wish 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:55.520 I was me, but it's not. Yeah, and it's the 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:57.799 title of the record too, I mean her records hero 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:01.439 and she's I don't know. She describes it is really cool. 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.360 She's like, I'm not the hero in this story, but 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.359 I am the hero in mine, And it's just really 0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:08.680 like self empowering thought to to to like know yourself 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.239 enough to say, like, I can't be with you anymore. 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:14.080 You have to be like your own be she talks 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:15.680 about all the time, like be your own hero. I 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.560 can't be yours. I'm sorry. It's it's I'm really proud 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:20.040 of that song. I'm proud to be on that record. 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:22.160 It's obviously got a lot of attention and a lot 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:25.440 of you know, critical acclaim and nominations and stuff like that, 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.080 and that's like me as a writer, like, man, I'm on, 0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:30.480 I think four or five number one records this year. 0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:34.960 I never thought that would happen. And I'm on, you know, 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:38.160 two of the five ce may nominated records of the 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:43.160 year with like relatively like get the record. Yeah, I'm 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.120 on Maron's record record, and then the other three I'm 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.640 not on, and so you should be. I'm talk with 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:50.359 them for the next year. So I want to play 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:52.520 a couple. All the tricks come on, So I need 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:59.920 to cut Rascal flats payback, could pay back to help me? 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:04.440 Your was this the same as Lonely Tonight? So two 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:08.680 thousand fourteen, I don't know, man, they're running together. Did 0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:11.239 they come to you and say, hey, we're holding it 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:13.200 quick and it's gonna be the radical flats. It was 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.200 a drug out song. Oh, they drug it out for 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:16.600 like well, I don't want to say it like that. 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.640 They held it at the beginning of the process for 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:23.080 their record and a year later you can call it 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:26.359 whatever you want, mom, and they they it came out 0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.799 a little different than what we had originally done, but 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.279 I mean just to be tracked one and that was 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.520 Aaron and I wrote that song together with Neil Mason 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.520 from the Cadillac Three, who's the drummer and uh Man. 0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:39.160 That song made us, Like sometimes songs just because they 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:40.799 don't go all the way to number one doesn't mean 0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.239 they didn't do a whole lot for like for me, 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.720 that song made us like music Row famous, Like every 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.480 publisher and every songwriter knew that song on Music Row 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:52.280 because the demo was cool and it was like something 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.879 people hadn't heard before. And I don't know, I'm really 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.759 proud of this. I played this live up until like 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:02.719 this summer. Yeah, all right, that Tim McGraw. This is 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.799 called Last Turn Home. Yeah. I wrote this with Maren 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:11.200 and uh This her first cut ever, And is that right? 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:12.880 This is her first cut. This is the one you 0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:17.560 as Tim cut her cut her first song. I cut 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.359 this song from my record, so like we were really 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.719 hoping it would go on the radio, and you hear 0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.520 whispers here and there, and that happens all the time. 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:26.560 You're like, this will be a single. It will be 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:30.279 Sometimes it's just not a single. Miller tells me. He goes, 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:32.040 if they started saying it's a single real early, it 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:34.080 probably gonna be a thing. That's that's a hard thing, 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:36.560 but that's like what you sign up for. I actually 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:39.160 hadn't listened to this version a long time. Well let's listen. 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:46.080 There's a lot of cool things. This harmony yea one 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:53.600 place I cut this on my record actually, and uh, hell, 0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:57.000 I mean this one just really from the time moment 0:49:57.000 --> 0:50:00.000 we got it back, we were all just so excited 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.279 it about it and at the time you're like, man, 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.320 I really want you to put this on the radio. 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.400 And then it seems to be like the biggest blessing 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:11.400 that it never actually did, because it's I don't know, 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:13.120 we'll talk about I'll be the Moon being like the 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:16.440 best song maybe I've ever written that co written with 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.080 those guys, but this one is my favorite song I've 0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:23.000 ever written, just what it says. And like you know 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.200 when you like really connect on an idea and you 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:29.239 write songs you know about it, like when you but 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:33.960 I have this idea and then you're just like, I 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.759 think it's that feeling about like you know, like you 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:38.719 don't live at in your hometown anymore. I don't live 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:40.840 in my hometown anymore, but I just know the feeling 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.880 of what I get to forty two Street now, like 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.040 in Michigan, and I take that right and you're like, 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:48.920 oh my god, I'm home, and like that feeling is 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.080 very similar to a feeling you find in a person, 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:53.839 and I it's like a weight is lifted off your 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:57.200 shoulders on the same like when I fly home and 0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.839 I landed at the airport. It's just like it's like 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.799 this weird release of oxygen, this weird weight that comes 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:08.000 off where this comfortability comes over you. And sometimes it's 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:10.200 not fun to be home, but it's feel comfortable to 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:14.160 be home. And it's a person too. That's the thing 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:15.920 about it. Is like that when you can take a 0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:17.319 feeling and you can put it on the end of 0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:19.879 your finger, and you can be like you feel like this, 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.920 and somebody hears it and they internalize that that's what 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.120 this is all about, and that's what music is about. 0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:27.840 We can run songs up the radio and get mad 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.640 over and over about like I wish I deserve this, 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:32.319 or I wish that this had happened to me. I 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:33.839 wish this song had been a single, or this had 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.359 been on the radio, or I wish I could get 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:37.640 a record deal or a published man. At the end 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.880 of the day, it's just music and if the only 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.640 thing that matters. It doesn't matter if it's a party 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.600 song or or a ballot or this kind of love song. 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:48.000 The only thing that matters with music is doesn't make 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:52.040 you feel something. And I think when you absolutely nail 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.239 it that that's payment enough that you don't need anything else. Well, 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:57.880 you gotta pay the bills, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm good. 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:01.000 But when you do get you don't do this for 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:02.880 the money. I don't do this for money. You do 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.680 it because this is we wouldn't do it. There's no 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.879 money in it when you start forever and that's why. 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:11.480 And you know, I got kicked out of college one 0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:14.080 time for speaking, I got banned from the university because 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:16.560 I went into the university and I just like to 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.279 be honest all the time, and it gets me in 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:20.800 trouble a lot. And so I went to the university 0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:23.200 and they're pit three hundred kids there, and they said, hey, 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:26.560 come speak to them about doing radio television. And I said, um, okay, 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.560 I said, hey, so, um, I'm Bobby. I do it. 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:31.439 At the time, I was living in Austin. I built 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.600 my own syndication company, UM from with my own money, 0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:36.680 from scratch, and it was in the hole for a 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:41.480 long time. And I knew what I wanted to do. 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:44.279 But I also knew that if you weren't absolutely set 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:48.080 and dedicated with your entire life to doing it making 0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.880 no money, that it wasn't for you. And I was 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:53.479 happy with my heart with doing what I was doing 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.279 my whole life, struggling one. I grew up poor. It 0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.279 was easy to me to be poor. It's easier to 0:52:58.320 --> 0:52:59.840 be poor if you know how to be poor. But 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:01.279 I knew if I was poured the rest of my 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:03.919 life doing what I loved, I wasn't poor. Like maybe 0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:06.000 I don't have so much money, but I wasn't poor 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:08.920 in my heart. I wasn't poor. I wasn't. I was fulfilled. 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.839 And I told him that. I said, if I were 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:15.520 you and you're studying radio right now, get out stop 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:17.960 because the noise in the study. Go do it. Go 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:20.600 in turn, go get your foot in the door somewhere, 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.320 study something else given, But you're wasting based in the 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.680 letters that I'm never invited back to the college I was. 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.640 I was banned from the school for for four years. 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:32.080 Maybe model I didn't know. No, I did not fit 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.920 the business model. I'm pretty good speaker, but I did not, 0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:37.960 so I was banned from the school. Um. But you're 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.120 right there. If you're doing it to pay the bills, 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:43.239 don't do it. If you find something you love. This 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:45.800 is what I heard and I felt, and I've grown 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.400 into you. You find something you love, you work harder 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.640 at it. You work harder at it, you get better 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:53.239 at it. You get better at it, you'll start to 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:55.719 read those rewards that you didn't really plan on getting 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:57.719 at the beginning, but they just kind of come with 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.440 sticking with it, loving and improving and taking coaching and 0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:04.560 surrounding yourself with better people. Very few people I know, 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.279 they're just so good to walk out and go, I'll 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:10.400 take it all right, it's all mine. It's always the 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:14.600 iceberg of there's so many nose and awful things and 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:17.200 you suck and anger and jealousy and the very tip 0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:19.640 of it's like, oh, you made it overnight success. And 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:22.640 it's like, man, if you had any idea that of 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.680 everybody I know listening to you here, like people may 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:27.480 just know us, and we're gonna get back to your 0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:30.600 new the new Ryan Herd stuff in a second. They're like, oh, 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:32.560 there's this new guy named Ryan Herd that just bopped 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:34.960 in the Nashville scene. I got news for you. You've 0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:37.320 been around your busting his butt for a long time. 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:40.200 And so that's kind of the theme when people come 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.719 in and we talk. That's like, man, you just kill 0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:44.120 it and kill and kill it, and you're okay with 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:46.960 killing yourself over it because you love it. And then 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:49.400 when it hits your like, it's amazing. I get to 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.440 do what I love and I've gotta get to pay 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.120 a car payment because of what I love. Here is 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.759 the Swan Brothers later on, Yeah, this is the first 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:58.480 time we ever had go on the radio that I did. 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:01.719 It grew with Joey Hide justin Wilson and they plays 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:03.920 on TV this one. Yeah, and we had a party 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:10.759 and it was so fun. I'm a voice. Why this 0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:15.600 one gets on the charts? Remember, like back Door Levin Like, yeah, 0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:18.120 it's staffed it for a long time. It was, I'm 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:24.040 not it was awesome later it's a good dude too 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:29.759 good right there? Right? And one more cut. This is 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:33.560 Jaco and sure Fire Feelings my first cut. This is it. Yeah, 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:35.719 And Jake's really always been such a great dude to 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:40.160 me and we're kind of buddies now. I went surfing 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.080 on his boat a couple of times over Labor Day 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.560 and I don't know, I've always been He's always taking 0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:50.280 me out to write. And this is Steve Mokler, Oh yeah, 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:53.400 and Matt McGain Steve's wife Gracie is best friends of 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.040 Amy and my co host. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a 0:55:56.080 --> 0:56:00.319 small world, right, it's small town. And so sure if 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.400 I feeling this is your first one, we ever say, hey, 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:04.760 this is going on a record. Yeah, it was happened 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:07.080 quick to like I signed a universal and kind of 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:09.040 this song came in and I didn't think anything of it, 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:10.879 and like, I think this is like three or four 0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:15.360 months into my deal and you know that that getting 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:17.960 that it went on his EP summary repeat and then 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:21.759 on his days of Gold record Who's All Sides? You 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:23.560 know that's a huge to get that big of a 0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:26.440 cut right out of the gate, I mean, and that 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:29.560 relationship has been amazing. Jake's always I think Jake's a 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.200 fantastic artist. I love the songs he's chosen. I love, 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:35.839 always have loved his production and just he's always been 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:38.840 He sent me left me a message recently and just like, 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:40.520 hey man, I'm really proud of you for putting we 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:42.680 do us out. I'm jamming it right now. I don't know, 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:44.120 just a little stuff like that, like you don't have 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:45.759 to do that, And that means a lot to me. 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.600 He's always just supported me in a huge way. Jake 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:51.000 was like the first guy new here for for many reasons. 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:54.040 Mutual friends. Let's see if you'll answer. We'll called Jake 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:57.759 and see if he'll get his take. Hey, I'm with 0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:01.640 Ryan heard right now we're doing an interview at my house. Uh, 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:03.680 and we're talking about you do you have anything you want? 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:05.440 By the way, is Jay go on here on on 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.960 this show? Um, we're talking about his first ever cut 0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:12.680 Surefire Feeling, which you cut and he said he's been 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:14.920 surfing on your boat. I just kind of wondering your 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.000 thoughts to our listeners here, just in general about this 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:22.120 dude Ryan heard. Ah. Well, first off, man, I'm glad 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:26.480 you called um. And secondly, uh, I love Ryan, you 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:29.920 know that? And um, I think you know obviously like 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.000 you said, that song' Surefire Feeling that he wrote that 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:35.800 was on the Endless Summer EP that I did. I 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:37.440 just the minute I heard that song, I loved it. 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:39.480 And then obviously one of the reasons I think all 0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:42.720 artists sometimes love songs when they hear them, is you 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.240 hear the guys singing it that wrote it. And uh, 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.920 Ryan just got such a cool, unique voice. Um, I 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:50.440 couldn't understand why, you know the person was singing at 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.680 that time, why that guy wasn't you know, on the radio. 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:56.360 But soon enough everybody's canna hear Mr Ryan heard on 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:58.720 the radio. And uh, and I'm happy for I couldn't 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:02.600 be happy for the guy. Well, appreciate how you good? Yeah, 0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:08.360 I actually tell you one on vacation. Yeah yeah, Oh dude, 0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:11.960 it was awesome because Rigez was amazing. But I'm not 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.400 here in l a. I gotta git me Kimmel tomorrow night. 0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:19.400 So I gotta dude, come on you. I shouldn't say 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.640 that I'm lucky to do that is what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:23.600 you get a crowd for that one too, right, Yeah, 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:25.760 you must be pretty. You must be a pretty special, right. 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:27.840 I mean, I never got the invite every Bobby's House 0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:31.200 for the for the Bobby's House radio show. I think 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:34.320 maybe you're just too busy for I got nothing going 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:37.160 on you you got a record stuff? Dude. I love 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:39.640 to you know, we just saw each other. I'll tell 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:41.280 you what. When you get home, let me know you 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:47.040 come over to the Bobby Cast. Alright, alright, talk to you. Jake. So, 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:52.840 Jake is really good friends with so one of my 0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.160 best friends and like literal best friends. Like do you 0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:58.160 know you have your your top achillant friends. Uh is 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:02.400 Andy Roddick and so as he plays tennis, and okay, 0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:04.560 of course, so Andy rot to grew up and play 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:06.800 tennis under the guy, and they grew up together, and 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:09.120 Jake was in his wedding and so Andy was like, 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:11.640 hey moved Nashville. You got another Jake and so him 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:14.160 and he called Jake and Jake was totally cool and 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:16.960 like before I knew anybody. Jake was like, dude, come on, 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:20.280 let's go. I'll show some places of around I know 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:22.120 much Jake. I was like, all right, there's the long 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:24.560 errands only around nag Bro. He's the same way with me, 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:26.560 just like, hey, you want to come write some songs 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:28.840 on my bus? Like yeah, yeah, and I've been on 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:31.640 a bus like once or twice before, but yeah, just 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:35.000 his bus, not his crew bus, not his band bus, 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:37.760 his bus. It was awesome. And then Jay got really drunk, 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:39.160 wanted a bar and I'm listening I come to the 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:41.480 Dallas was like, hey, how's your bob? Jake like bib on. 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:46.240 So I was like that guy and I was like, Jake, 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.160 what are you talking trash for? So we didn't talk 0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:50.040 for like a month, but now we're like best buzz again. 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:51.920 It's like friends. You can get into a fight. That's 0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:53.080 how you know you get a friend when you can 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:54.680 get to a fight and then not and then be 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:56.600 over with again. I was like, dude, what I guess 0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:59.240 that sucks. I was drunk, dude, my bad like that, 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:01.480 Like I feel for him on that one. I was 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:04.520 a way I was way drunk. Are you like the 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:07.680 universe as a place for you kind of guy? I 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:10.120 don't know about that. Yeah, probably, I don't know. I 1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:12.520 could get pretty fluffy on you about stuff that I believe, 1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:16.240 but man, I think that the Yeah, there's something about 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:18.920 being exactly where you're supposed to be, something about being 1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:22.680 like I don't know, there's hard days where you're just like, man, 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:26.520 what am I doing in Iowa again? I've played Iowa 1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:28.640 five times this year, and you're just like, man, this 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:30.200 is exactly where I'm supposed to be. And it just 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:32.400 gives you this calming feeling about it, Like especially with 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:35.680 like relationships and you know, music and art, It's like, man, 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:38.760 this is exactly where I'm supposed to be. And so yeah, 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:41.120 I guess I am. Can you find it annoying that 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:44.440 I texture? No, not at all, because because sometimes like, 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:46.160 oh I'm annoying him because I'm like I don't wan't 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:47.880 bother him. But I'm like, I got to start this 1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:50.800 feeling right now. I want to drind this feeling. I did. 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:52.919 I see that article the other day too, because we talked. 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:54.560 When we talked, I talked to that on my last 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:57.640 really with Chip Ester from Nashville. I was like, got 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:00.080 the article by John because and he didn't quit it, 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:03.240 and yeah, yeah, what was that he talked about? His 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:05.520 mom said leave, but not not to leave. He was 1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:07.640 in Lead, New York. He said his mom made him. 1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:10.360 He said, you know, if you his mom said she 1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:12.120 would never tell him to quit his dream, but he 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:13.920 had to promise if he didn't have anything going on 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:15.880 in two years that he would do something else because 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:17.520 she wanted to. She said, I'm not going to be 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:19.320 the one who's gonna tell you to stop your dream. 1:01:19.560 --> 1:01:21.560 You need to be the one to know when to stop. 1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:24.960 But I love that article because it made me feel 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:27.280 like I related to it where he's like, man, I 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:30.000 live a lottery ticket life, and I feel like that 1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:33.160 like getting to do creative work for a living. I 1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:35.840 don't have another job anymore. This is it getting to 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:38.280 make music in Nashville, Tennessee. That's a lottery ticket life. 1:01:38.280 --> 1:01:40.320 I don't care if you make two thousand dollars a 1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:41.960 month on your drawer, if you make if you just 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:44.720 sold your catalog for four million bucks, Like that's a 1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:47.720 special thing. That's what like I think about people who 1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:51.800 make just billionaires who wish that they were musicians, you 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:54.320 know what I mean, Like, it's crazy to me. To 1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:58.120 make it in Nashville is almost like making it as 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:01.080 a first basement of the Yankees or a supermodel. It's 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:03.320 that people. It looks easy because there either there are 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:06.160 a few of them out there, but this town is 1:02:06.280 --> 1:02:13.280 littered with excellence. It's weird, it's um so yeah, it's 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:14.800 just what. People come into town and they just walk 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:17.280 down through Broadway and like, wow, this guy can really sing, 1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:19.480 Like yeah, are nothing Like I get just in the 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:21.240 studio and the greatest get to come through and I 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:23.880 get to watch them three feet from me, and I'm 1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:26.040 just like blown away. And at times you get jaded 1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:27.520 by stuff, and I get jaded, and we all get 1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:30.320 jaded if we're around a while. But then Garth comes 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:32.880 in and resets to you and then you know, and 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:35.040 even with Marion you know which by the way, I 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:36.880 wasn't gonna bring up shoot your girlfriend like I was. 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:38.600 I wouldn't talk about that at all, but you brought 1:02:38.600 --> 1:02:41.880 it up. So even with her, I was like, the 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:44.560 first time I heard was her EP, I was I 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:47.600 was like, holy crap, Like there's just something about this 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:51.520 that's not like anything else, and so I remember having 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:53.560 her in before she had a song on radio, and 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:55.800 I was like, hey, I know, did you think this 1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:58.080 is weird? But would you come on the show? And 1:02:58.120 --> 1:03:00.280 now it's just been awesome to see her pop. What 1:03:00.320 --> 1:03:02.640 would she say about you as a songwriter? What would 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:06.480 you say about me a songwriter? I don't know, I 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:12.160 have you don't know. I can call her please don't really, Uh, 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:15.479 I don't know. As a writer, we I'm really good 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:17.680 at like letting her role and like no one when 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.360 she's on something, so like when we're writing together, like 1:03:20.440 --> 1:03:23.520 I'm as a songwriter, I like to take the steering 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:26.400 wheel and I'm like, I have never written for other people. 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:28.640 And that's a weird thing about being a professional songwriters, 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:31.000 Like I always wrote for myself. Threw it all up 1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:33.200 against the wall and said, if anybody wants to record these, 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:36.120 have at it, which is sort of like I should 1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:38.080 have been an artist a long time ago. Maybe if 1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:40.720 that's if I've only written in that way. But I 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:45.000 love watching like as a songwriter, especially with Marion. You know, 1:03:45.040 --> 1:03:47.000 she hears on demos and stuff and she tells me 1:03:47.040 --> 1:03:48.960 which one she loves, and she would say, you don't 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.360 like one of them. I sent one the other day 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:55.080 and she goes, that's cool, not my favorite out of all. 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:57.520 I think that's what she said. It was like the 1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:01.560 k of the text message. Okay, but she listens to 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:04.680 it all and she's really she's seriously my heat, my 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:08.840 biggest fan musically, I think because just we've always had 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.280 like a really close creative partnership. But I'm really good 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:13.200 at letting her run with stuff and like no one 1:04:13.240 --> 1:04:15.520 when she's in the head space that she's like doing 1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:22.720 brilliant stuff. So with her opening for Stableton at the Rhyman, Dude, 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.320 that's stage. That's a that's a moment right there, isn't it? 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:27.040 Just to be able to be on that stage and 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:29.160 to sing a song we sang Last Turn Home, So 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:33.160 that's yeah. She that was really cool. I was cool 1:04:33.200 --> 1:04:36.480 for her asking me to do that. It's weird. I'm 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:38.960 gonna say this too, but yeah, I played the Rhyman 1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:42.720 and it's crazy. It's crazy sheet this feeling. I only 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:44.320 did one song and you just get this feeling like 1:04:44.560 --> 1:04:49.800 I the whole show out but no, no, it's like yes, 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:52.520 it's like have you played the opera yet? No? Okay, 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:54.880 you will like no down Navy Jason, like, you will 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:58.240 play the opera um and people say this, And the 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:01.560 thing is, so I played the Opery and you stand 1:05:01.600 --> 1:05:04.120 on the circle and you go, wow, this is really 1:05:04.160 --> 1:05:05.760 cool the circle because you know the history about it. 1:05:05.760 --> 1:05:07.600 And I grew up in Arkansas. So my grandma is 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:10.800 a huge Johnny Cash fan. Anybody from Arkansas, you just 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:13.040 automatically a door because nobody gets out of Arkansas. That's 1:05:13.120 --> 1:05:16.040 kind of the rule. So Johnny Cash from Arkansas. So 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:18.160 my grandma and I because my grandma adopted me for 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:20.160 a while as a kid, and so I listened to 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:22.840 her music that Andy Griffith and Johnny Carson, even the 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:26.360 Ray Charles and so when I played it, it it was 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:29.800 just like I felt like I was kind of doing 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:33.120 something she wanted me to do. But even then I 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:35.680 felt like I really couldn't conceptualize what was really happening, 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:37.800 Like as much as I could read about it, I 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:39.040 don't know what it was like to be like back 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:40.640 and they listen to the people would gather around the 1:05:40.760 --> 1:05:42.880 radio and listen to stuff at the Ryman. I go 1:05:42.920 --> 1:05:44.800 to church at the Rheman like they would go to 1:05:44.920 --> 1:05:47.440 church at the Ryeman. They would stand in the circle 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:52.080 and at the opery, we have no idea. We it 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:54.280 feels like you're like connecting. I don't, I haven't played 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:56.439 the opera, but it feels like you're connecting with this. 1:05:56.640 --> 1:05:59.760 Like I say, it's called like the collective unconscious of 1:06:00.040 --> 1:06:03.040 tream music. Like you're connecting into something that's like so 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:05.360 much bigger than any song you could ever write yourself. 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:09.720 It's like you're you're a part of this really incredible 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:15.280 collection of ideas and thoughts and melodies, and it's so 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:17.280 much bigger than you can understand. Like you can read 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:18.480 all you want, learn all you want to be. I 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:21.800 felt like, and I like to consider myself a scholar 1:06:21.840 --> 1:06:26.680 of music period, all formats, all kinds, especially country and 1:06:26.800 --> 1:06:31.160 classic rock. Um, and it's like I can read all 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:33.120 I want, I just still don't understand as much as 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:34.920 I can try. I feel like that's like the world 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:37.480 with me and what happens after the world. And I 1:06:37.520 --> 1:06:39.680 can learn and try to study and read, and I 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:41.360 just I don't know. And so what I have to 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:45.360 realize is I don't know. So I've got to be 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:47.240 okay with that and just realize that I'm just gonna 1:06:47.240 --> 1:06:49.160 do the best I can. Dude, I love that because 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:51.840 I'm that's I'm very similar to that too. I mean, 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:55.680 you have to you have to be okay with not knowing. 1:06:57.560 --> 1:06:59.800 You have to figure out that you just don't know. 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:04.240 You just and so since you don't know, don't get 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:08.160 angry with it. Understand that you don't know, and try 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:09.520 to learn as much as you can, and you can 1:07:09.600 --> 1:07:11.840 learn everything, and there you still learn anything. It's like 1:07:11.880 --> 1:07:14.520 the old Socrates story went all the way around the 1:07:14.560 --> 1:07:16.600 world trying to find that the smartest guy in the world, 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:19.240 and went to all the great scholars and and and 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:22.120 price spoke to a thousand who claimed they were the 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:23.880 smartest man in the world, and all of them were like, 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:25.640 I'm the smartest man in the world. Here's where's wires 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:28.880 wye And Socrates came back and he said, I found 1:07:28.880 --> 1:07:30.160 the smartest man in the world. And they said, you 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:32.160 found the smartest man in the world. Well, what town 1:07:32.280 --> 1:07:34.200 is he and where is he goes? It's me And 1:07:34.200 --> 1:07:35.800 they were like, how is it you? He says, because 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:39.440 I don't know crap. And that's why the smartest man 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:40.800 of the world, because I'm the only one that gets it. 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:43.200 I know nothing like, as much as I can learn, 1:07:43.400 --> 1:07:47.640 my capacity is not to know. I can't know. Anyway, 1:07:47.680 --> 1:07:49.920 We're on a whole different deep level here and keep going. 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:52.520 We can keep going there. That's fun for me. So 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:55.440 Ryan heard is here. Now We do Us was the 1:07:55.440 --> 1:08:00.000 first song that you can download it now Apple Music 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:01.560 get you can go in it, you can stream it 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:03.120 anyone you can have on music. And I wish you 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:05.480 could download it because I'm telling you when I played it, 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:09.040 people were it it would have been a download at 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:11.400 least the top five. I can. I can just I'm 1:08:11.440 --> 1:08:14.520 not lying to you. People were going, you answered the phones, Yeah, 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:17.360 my answer the phones. People were like, what is the song? 1:08:17.920 --> 1:08:19.920 And I was like, dude, I just wish you were 1:08:19.920 --> 1:08:23.160 able to download it because it have been crazy. Here 1:08:23.200 --> 1:08:33.519 we go and I'm bad baby, and I'm bad at 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:39.840 we do we go to get on that moviez Chief Champagne. 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:51.439 You can and I'm bad. So that's what you do. 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:53.439 That was the first one. And this one just came out. 1:08:53.479 --> 1:08:56.160 Depending when you're listening to this, sometimes in a month 1:08:56.160 --> 1:08:58.200 from now, someone's gonna go, hey just heard your podcast, 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:02.679 so but um right now, Loving a Bar just came 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:31.920 out was like to sing now he was saying, Yeah, 1:09:37.280 --> 1:09:40.760 more songs to come out, and as soon as you 1:09:40.840 --> 1:09:43.120 decide whatever radio single you're going with, you let me 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:44.800 know and you're up on the show. I told you 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:47.000 I'm gonna have you on the I'm blindly having you 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:48.680 on the show. I don't even know what the song is. 1:09:48.720 --> 1:09:50.559 I don't know what it is. I hope we find 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:53.519 out soon. Whenever you decide what it is, I appreciate 1:09:53.520 --> 1:09:56.000 you just text me and go, hey, this is a song. Yeah, 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:57.840 I mean, let's get you have a plan until you 1:09:57.840 --> 1:10:02.479 don't have one, So all right, whatever you never planned 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:05.960 for people like you don't to to you know, to 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:07.400 like it, you know what I mean. I'd never plan 1:10:07.479 --> 1:10:09.439 to see walking in the hallway and go, oh my good. 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:11.240 I'm kind of nervous to go tell the dude I'm 1:10:11.240 --> 1:10:13.000 a fan. But my rule is that I tell my 1:10:13.040 --> 1:10:15.439 listeners and and people. If you're a fan of somebody, 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:17.880 just go tell them. You tell them. If someone doesn't 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:19.120 like the fact that you tell them you're a fan, 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:22.240 and they're not worthy of of having fans, um unless 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:24.400 they have kids or if they're eating. But other than 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:26.320 those two things, like I was like, I have to 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:28.240 live by my own rule, and I always wanted if 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:30.320 you're weird of that by another man coming up going, dude, 1:10:32.040 --> 1:10:34.760 it doesn't bother me. It doesn't happen very much. I'm 1:10:34.800 --> 1:10:37.200 usually the one like next to the person who like 1:10:37.240 --> 1:10:39.080 has people come up, and I get to be anonymous. 1:10:39.120 --> 1:10:41.400 So it makes you feel good when people I mean, 1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:43.000 that happens a little more now than it used to do do, 1:10:43.120 --> 1:10:45.439 but it never is annoying. Well when you when you 1:10:45.520 --> 1:10:50.679 sharpened my left butt cheek, I was like, I think, okay, 1:10:50.840 --> 1:10:53.880 Ryan heard. Uh, you're gonna put out depending on when 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:55.760 you listen this every month something new, then we'll get 1:10:55.760 --> 1:10:58.519 a record. You're going out with Chase rise this summer. Wait, 1:10:58.560 --> 1:11:01.760 what what month to win? This is like this fall? Dude, 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:03.880 I don't know. Just every day's ground Hog Day. Ye, 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:05.720 that too is fun, man. People are wild and I 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:07.760 love Chase. You're out now with him? Man? Yeah, Yeah, 1:11:07.840 --> 1:11:10.920 we've been as of now done two weekends. It's fun. 1:11:11.160 --> 1:11:13.920 The crowds are great. He's a great live performer. I 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:17.360 really love his new single two It's I think it's cool. 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:21.000 Jeremy Bussy wrote it. He's playing with us in November 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:24.880 in Austin. Yeah, I think I'll I think we're flying 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:27.519 back after. I think if you come out to that, 1:11:27.760 --> 1:11:28.760 if you happen to be in that show, and you 1:11:28.760 --> 1:11:30.479 may not, you may be flying back. He's gonna he's 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:32.280 gonna come out and play with this. But um, you 1:11:32.360 --> 1:11:35.040 gotta come out there. We have we's all four thousand 1:11:35.080 --> 1:11:38.160 tickets of the Ragingidas in Austin. So you gotta come 1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:39.920 out and do something if you're there. If I'm not, 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:42.880 of course it's not. Don't worry about it. But Ryan heard. 1:11:43.520 --> 1:11:45.000 I hope you had fun. Man. I hope it's cool 1:11:45.040 --> 1:11:46.920 for you. It's cool for me. I had a blast. 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:49.200 I love talking. So this is that's all this is. 1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:52.640 That's that's all it is. And I hey, Jake, appreciate 1:11:52.640 --> 1:11:56.800 your buddy, Derek. She sucked for not answering. Uh. We 1:11:56.880 --> 1:11:59.639 will catch you guys next time. This episode nine Mike 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:03.639 all right, thanks check out Ryan heard Twitter at Ryan 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:08.000 heard it it r y A and h U R D. 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:10.080 Thanks for our producer, Mike d stro M, I K 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:14.400 E D E E S t r oh, I'm Bobby Bones. 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:16.519 Episode nine. The Bobby Cast is over, thanks again to 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:19.200 Ryan heard and our sponsor is nobody right, now but 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.479 hopefully that will change that. All right, guys, have a 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:24.479 good day, unless it's not daytime. If it's a nighttime, 1:12:24.520 --> 1:12:25.639 have a great night. By ready