Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode nine of the Bobby Cast,
Speaker 1: brought to you by no sponsor yet. But what's great
Speaker 1: is we did get a note saying that, uh, a
Speaker 1: major sponsor will come aboard, so we will continue to
Speaker 1: get to do the Bobby Cast. In my house is
Speaker 1: Ryan Heard? Writer and now artists, I say a now artists.
Speaker 1: At one point were you were trying to be an
Speaker 1: artist and then you you didn't you decid you were
Speaker 1: gonna write. Now you're back again, is that right? No?
Speaker 1: I came when I started writing songs in Nashville was
Speaker 1: just to be a song So you came just to
Speaker 1: be a songwriter. Well, I came here to go to college. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's all I do. I want to start with
Speaker 1: today and make a full circle. So that's how we'll
Speaker 1: do this interview. By the way, Ryan Heard is here,
Speaker 1: and I hope that you will check out his music
Speaker 1: because I'm a fan. I was playing him before he
Speaker 1: even knew that I was gonna play it. We do
Speaker 1: us is this song here I'm bad at We do
Speaker 1: We go together like cheap Champagne and you can pull
Speaker 1: the baby And now I think that's the jam. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was a jam before. Ivn't knew that,
Speaker 1: you know, you would even be in the house because
Speaker 1: I played it and you had no idea I was
Speaker 1: gonna play it on the radio. So I woke up
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get these songs ready.
Speaker 1: And we do this thing where we mix like cool
Speaker 1: up tempo music and it's usually like Young MC and
Speaker 1: a coolio and like some old garth and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta throw we do us in there because that's
Speaker 1: long as like that's the jam, and so we play
Speaker 1: it and so you know, you have riders hours and
Speaker 1: artist hours, so listen. I wouldn't wake up and listen
Speaker 1: to my show if I'd have to wake up three
Speaker 1: in the morning, Like, ain't no way that be happening.
Speaker 1: So you weren't awake, I'm assuming when it played. No,
Speaker 1: I was telling Mike. I was like, yeah, we I
Speaker 1: listened to the show when I'm up before ten o'clock
Speaker 1: or moving before ten o'clock. But so once a month
Speaker 1: or so, I'm generally an early dude. But just lately
Speaker 1: we've been back on the road and that's a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of a lot of movement. So we've
Speaker 1: been I've just been tired. But yeah, just my phone
Speaker 1: started erupting, and that was cool. And then everyone's like,
Speaker 1: turn on the radio, turn on the radio. And I've
Speaker 1: never had I've heard other songs I've written on the radio,
Speaker 1: but never my song on the radio. So so it
Speaker 1: really it was the first time to hear your own
Speaker 1: voice singing a song. Oh yeah, it really was. Day.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's cool man, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: So I would have thought if my phone was erupting
Speaker 1: that I was late to something or there had been
Speaker 1: some tragedy. Yeah, that was it. So you thought, oh,
Speaker 1: something's going on. Yeah, and I don't have a radio
Speaker 1: in my house. So I ran out to my car
Speaker 1: and I, um, I just yeah, I got a new place,
Speaker 1: and I don't even think I had I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: had a radio and old places either, but uh, just
Speaker 1: in my car, that's all I listened to. So I
Speaker 1: ran out there and missed it by like two seconds.
Speaker 1: So but then I played it like five weeks straight
Speaker 1: and then I caught it eventually. I haven't went to
Speaker 1: my boss and I said, and I said, hey, this
Speaker 1: Ryan heard guy like, because he's the head of the
Speaker 1: entire country format him and I maybe for thirteen years,
Speaker 1: through me doing rock, through me doing pop, through me
Speaker 1: doing alternative sports country like him and I have been
Speaker 1: together forever. So we had this this great trust and
Speaker 1: I don't go down very often and say like this
Speaker 1: is for real. And I went to I said, hey,
Speaker 1: this Ryan heard guy like I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is a single, I don't know, but like he's for real.
Speaker 1: And I remember having a talk with him about that day.
Speaker 1: So I just kept throwing the song in and then
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't a single, right, we do us
Speaker 1: like this is just the person you put out there.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a single, Like no, well, here's our plan.
Speaker 1: This is we're gonna put out one song a month.
Speaker 1: For the next we're gonna do it four times. Uh.
Speaker 1: And just I want to build a story and I
Speaker 1: want to have music out there to tour on because
Speaker 1: once you hit that radio button, like that's it. You
Speaker 1: can't really put anything else out there until that one
Speaker 1: goes away veils or climbs until a great spot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so like we're I have a lot of touring
Speaker 1: commitments over the next six months, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't go out there and tour on nothing, so we
Speaker 1: just I don't know what we thought about putting out
Speaker 1: an EP, and I've already done that and pulled it
Speaker 1: um and and I love the music we made on that,
Speaker 1: but it just felt like everyone was doing an EP,
Speaker 1: and so it felt cool too. I don't know, get
Speaker 1: to go and do a song a month and see
Speaker 1: how each one of them goes. And I love the
Speaker 1: single mentality though too, like you're doing because you know,
Speaker 1: in my limited experience putting out a couple of records,
Speaker 1: we did a comedy record and we did kids record.
Speaker 1: Like I would rather put out a song every for
Speaker 1: many weeks or months to of like thirteen at one time,
Speaker 1: because people don't like consume stuff like that anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think the fun part about doing one at
Speaker 1: a time is like now the digital stuff, like the
Speaker 1: digital platforms just let you do it. You don't have
Speaker 1: to plan that much in advance. You can just be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is cool, let's put it out
Speaker 1: if we want to. We can get it out in
Speaker 1: two days, which is a really really amazing thing about
Speaker 1: like the like music becoming more of a democracy. That's
Speaker 1: the good thing. The bad thing is you don't get paid.
Speaker 1: That sucks about And I tell people if he's like
Speaker 1: an artist by the download even though the downloads like
Speaker 1: download song with such a streaming like really just keeping
Speaker 1: it real because I'm making a crap off streaming. No,
Speaker 1: it's hard. That part's hard, and it's hard because it's
Speaker 1: it's sort of like if you an artist in my position,
Speaker 1: and just to be completely honest is like you don't
Speaker 1: want to bite at this level, like bite the hand
Speaker 1: that feeds you. Well, streaming sucks and but lesson, I'm
Speaker 1: an artist has song up there streaming too. But streaming
Speaker 1: will get fixed. That's the thing. The Internet is a wild,
Speaker 1: wild West right now, and I'm on the inside watching
Speaker 1: the legal part of it too. There's just no rules
Speaker 1: right now, and we're fighting for rules. And you know,
Speaker 1: you guys as writers, and you're a writer and a performer,
Speaker 1: so you're on both sides. You get publishing and you're
Speaker 1: also getting you know, the artist part of it as well.
Speaker 1: One of our best friends fights for songwriter's name is
Speaker 1: Lee Thomas Miller. That's my dude, like my favorite dude,
Speaker 1: like one of my best friends. So he goes and
Speaker 1: he fights against me in Congress and then he comes
Speaker 1: to my house and we write funny songs together. So
Speaker 1: but the Internet is such the wild wild West right
Speaker 1: now that it will fix itself. I think it has
Speaker 1: to if you want to have professional songwriters going forward.
Speaker 1: They cultivated absolutely right. So you put, oh, here's my
Speaker 1: very first Ryan heard story. Um, I didn't know Ryan.
Speaker 1: And I saw Ryan walking in the back of bridge Stone.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was c M A No, was it CMR
Speaker 1: A c M awards? Well maybe seeing so many of these, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're walking back at Santon I saw right.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't. I'm the guy that's
Speaker 1: awkward and I don't want to approach anybody because I
Speaker 1: always felt like a bother them. And I saw Ryan walking,
Speaker 1: I was like, want to tell I'm a fan of him,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to bother him because he's walking,
Speaker 1: he's kind of by himself. And so I am a
Speaker 1: believer that if you're a fan of someone, you should
Speaker 1: always tell them. Now it's up to them how they react,
Speaker 1: and if they're with their kids or they're eating food,
Speaker 1: don't But other than that, if you're a fan of them,
Speaker 1: go and tell them. And I walked up to you,
Speaker 1: and I was nervous and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember this, even remember the whole, And
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, dude, I just want you to
Speaker 1: know I'm a huge fan of what you do. And
Speaker 1: the rest was kind of a blur to me, because
Speaker 1: like when you talk to a pretty girl and you
Speaker 1: gotta don't remember what they say. Next I remember, you'll
Speaker 1: be very nice to me, and I'm very appreciative of
Speaker 1: that because I am a huge fan. And so I
Speaker 1: want to play a little bit of the new song here.
Speaker 1: This is the hook of loving a Bar and so
Speaker 1: anything you want to say about this one before I
Speaker 1: play it. Man, I could talk about a lot about this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm making a record right now. And the
Speaker 1: first two I had so much material and it didn't
Speaker 1: connect in any way. And then I wrote I got
Speaker 1: this song back. I wrote it with my friend Jelly Hide,
Speaker 1: who is an incredible guitar player and artist and writer,
Speaker 1: and he made me write the song that day. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to write, and I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to go home, I want to do something else, and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, you gotta sit and finish this today. Buddy,
Speaker 1: he's like my best friend, and uh, he did the
Speaker 1: demo and it came back and just made so many
Speaker 1: songs makes sense. And then the same thing that we
Speaker 1: do us when we got that back, it made all
Speaker 1: of the poppy or stuff makes sense. And so that's
Speaker 1: a cool part about getting to make a record is
Speaker 1: tying it together. But man, it it's it's a It's
Speaker 1: a pretty intimate song to me. It's like those moments
Speaker 1: that you find yourself like going and like going out
Speaker 1: of your way to see somebody and and not necessarily
Speaker 1: consciously doing it. And it just that title was in
Speaker 1: my head for so long, Loving a Bar, Loving a Bar,
Speaker 1: and I think it was just from watching a movie
Speaker 1: or something, But I love it. Like the melody is
Speaker 1: powerful and the lyric is really intimate and cool and
Speaker 1: and honest, and uh yeah, I just it feels like
Speaker 1: track one, you know what I mean, A bar Thanks.
Speaker 1: It was that single like s She's smoking Now we
Speaker 1: can't back was saying town that. Yeah, that dude, I
Speaker 1: love rock and roll too, And that's part of this
Speaker 1: getting I feel like not a lot of people are
Speaker 1: doing that kind of rock and roll. They're not because
Speaker 1: they're scared too quite frankly, and rock and roll is
Speaker 1: awesome and it's part of just the culture of America.
Speaker 1: It was a sick rolling parts like s smoke. Do
Speaker 1: you have trouble listening back to yourself? Or do you?
Speaker 1: Are you cool with it? Uh? If it's good? Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 1: So you wrote that one after cant your friends like, hey,
Speaker 1: stick around? Where did you write we do Us? So
Speaker 1: that's I wrote that with my friend Mikey Reeves and
Speaker 1: my friend Laura Belts and Laura wrote yeah. So Laura
Speaker 1: wrote Drunk last Night for Eli Young band and she
Speaker 1: wrote uh, Lonely Eyes Chris Young songs. She wrote three
Speaker 1: songs on Marion's record, and we've always been really close
Speaker 1: just personally, and we've written a lot of songs together
Speaker 1: and have a couple of things together, cuts together than whatnot.
Speaker 1: But it was her title and that's her singing and
Speaker 1: sing that's Laura singing, that's launching. That's not Marin singing.
Speaker 1: It sounds just like Maren singing. Everyone thinks that's do
Speaker 1: you know that everyone thinks that's Marion singing? Do they really?
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks that's Maren going? Oh, that's Laura. Mike, who
Speaker 1: do you think everybody I've talked to thinks that's Maren.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love singing with Maren. I miss it
Speaker 1: a lot, but I'm away, okay, But think about this though.
Speaker 1: So Laura Belts wrote for Maren. With Maren she wrote Rich,
Speaker 1: which is like I love Rich, and she wrote I
Speaker 1: could use a love song, and she she wrote, that's
Speaker 1: two on the man? Are three on that one? One? More?
Speaker 1: Help me out, Laura, I can't believe that's not Marin.
Speaker 1: I'm blowing a White's No, she sings on a couple
Speaker 1: other She'll sing on a couple of other things on
Speaker 1: my record. But that's crazy, like a little bit of
Speaker 1: mind blown there. So you wrote you have those two?
Speaker 1: So did you write anywhere special in Mikey studio? I
Speaker 1: think it might be Mikey's first like major cut in
Speaker 1: country music here in Nashville. He's just really cool, hetty
Speaker 1: dude who like is really into like the existential quality
Speaker 1: of every piece of the song. And I just he
Speaker 1: produced that with my friend Aaron s His who I
Speaker 1: grew up with and as my producer. But callumas in Michigan,
Speaker 1: and so you guys really grew up together. Calumazo and
Speaker 1: he's here and he's you guys are working. We came
Speaker 1: here together like ten years ago. Yeah. He went and
Speaker 1: did audio stuff at Belmont and I went and did
Speaker 1: my sociology degree. And that's something I wanted to touch on.
Speaker 1: Like as we go around the circle here, So you
Speaker 1: came to Nashville to be a sociologist. No, I came
Speaker 1: to Nashville to not be at home anymore. Fair enough
Speaker 1: for point one. Then what was the other reason you
Speaker 1: came to Nashville. I wanted to. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: my mom took me to colleges and we came to Belmont,
Speaker 1: and I love I just loved Nashville and I wanted
Speaker 1: to be in Nashville. And we went to the school
Speaker 1: and I was in a band my first year, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to do that anymore.
Speaker 1: Rock and roll band. Yeah, And then I just said
Speaker 1: I want to do school. And I found the professor
Speaker 1: that interested me, and like, I loved doing the sociology stuff.
Speaker 1: I liked the challenge of it, and I liked reading
Speaker 1: a lot. I still like to read a lot. And
Speaker 1: then I did an econ major two at the end
Speaker 1: because I did so much summer school I had a
Speaker 1: lot of time, and then I just killed myself to
Speaker 1: get out, like basically to get done with in time
Speaker 1: in four years. And then I got out of school.
Speaker 1: Were you doing music the all time or now? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't do it for like three years. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: And then I got out of school and I was
Speaker 1: gonna go to graduate school and I just couldn't pull
Speaker 1: the trigger. I was like, I just for some reason
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I wanted to go to Michigan
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't the right thing. And I never could.
Speaker 1: You know when you're like you know what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to do something when you're not. And I just didn't
Speaker 1: do it. Did you feel the calling to come to
Speaker 1: Nashville maybe like in your heart that you didn't know
Speaker 1: it subconsciously because of the music? Well, I grew up
Speaker 1: making music with their in Kalamazoo, So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we wanted to be here to be around music. And
Speaker 1: he went and did became the producer engineer guy, and
Speaker 1: he's brilliant at it and he's the hardest worker I've
Speaker 1: ever met. And then I got out of school and
Speaker 1: it just didn't have anything to do. I like, I
Speaker 1: had a job I moved to Montgomery, Alabama for six
Speaker 1: months to drive my friends flatbed truck to pick up
Speaker 1: used vegetable oil. And then I went and made bio
Speaker 1: diesel with it and UK. Basically I didn't know it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was cooking meth. But I went
Speaker 1: in and like filled up like a huge construction equipment
Speaker 1: with it, and that was my job. And I was
Speaker 1: figuring it out, and I just was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: go back to Nashville, Tennessee. So you came to Nashville.
Speaker 1: You studied sociology. Do you have a degree in sociology?
Speaker 1: Did you so you finished? Oh? Yeah, so you could
Speaker 1: be a teacher. You could you have a college room,
Speaker 1: you go teach sociology to high school if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: I could. I would be terrible at it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I try to do that. That's crazy. So you do that.
Speaker 1: You moved down and you know you're delivering you know,
Speaker 1: shampoo too. I don't know. So you're down there, you're
Speaker 1: doing that and you're like, Okay, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: Did you know you couldn't do it because of music
Speaker 1: or did you know you just couldn't know? I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted to write songs, I think at that point,
Speaker 1: and I knew I wanted to write songs with Aaron,
Speaker 1: and I moved back up and I started. I was like,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing, and this is how everybody gets
Speaker 1: into country music, I think. And you're like, how hard
Speaker 1: could that be? Like how hard could it be to
Speaker 1: write a great country song? And you just start doing
Speaker 1: it and you start doing it. And I lived in
Speaker 1: a house with these guys that I went to school
Speaker 1: with who are not into country music at all, and
Speaker 1: they just saw me go like I just said, he
Speaker 1: wanted to do country music and he's doing it. And
Speaker 1: they didn't like the music I was writing, but they
Speaker 1: were really cool about it. Like I'd be in the
Speaker 1: middle of the day just like plucking away at these
Speaker 1: songs that weren't very good that I thought were great
Speaker 1: with Aaron and Joey Hyde and Matt McGinn, and they
Speaker 1: just were cool with it. And they'd be like, what
Speaker 1: did you do the damn? I play it for him
Speaker 1: and that's cool. But we just kind of put our
Speaker 1: heads down and said, I want to write we want
Speaker 1: we want to write country songs. Did you realize it
Speaker 1: probably is a lot harder than thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1: It's impossible. It's it's still impossible. Like you, you don't
Speaker 1: understand how I say this all the time, Like you
Speaker 1: never once you get your foot in there, you realize
Speaker 1: how difficult it is to like it's the loneliest thing
Speaker 1: ever to try to get your foot in the door here.
Speaker 1: And I always tell people to like find your people, like,
Speaker 1: don't ask, don't find somebody who has a lot of success,
Speaker 1: and that's them to write, because you're not gonna write
Speaker 1: their best song, and they're not gonna help you write
Speaker 1: your best song. It's like you you find people that
Speaker 1: are like minded, because it's so lonely to like get
Speaker 1: good at this and to get in a spot where
Speaker 1: like people notice you that you got to have those
Speaker 1: people there to like keep you wanting to do it.
Speaker 1: And we just kind of put our heads down and
Speaker 1: wrote songs and then made some demos, some really bad demos,
Speaker 1: and then came back and wrote some more songs and
Speaker 1: made some more bad demos and eventually like played some
Speaker 1: writers rounds and then got a little attention you talking
Speaker 1: about you know you're so I got a school out
Speaker 1: of school in two thousand and nine, and I signed
Speaker 1: my first publishing deal in two thousand and twelve, so
Speaker 1: he spent a couple two years basically getting good enough
Speaker 1: to get my foot in the door. As you were
Speaker 1: riding in Nashville, did you have any jobs here to eat? Like? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I worked at eating So I took my degree and
Speaker 1: I had this contract job. I always remember this. I
Speaker 1: did it even after I wrote started writing songs at
Speaker 1: this place on twelveth Avenue called you know, I did
Speaker 1: Methodist Communications and I did research for them from like
Speaker 1: eight am until eleven am when I had to go
Speaker 1: write and research. I wrote surveys and did stats work.
Speaker 1: It was so boring. I had a desk. You're working
Speaker 1: at the desk, probably thinking the whole time, like I
Speaker 1: can't wait to get here to go actually do the
Speaker 1: job that's really gonna pay me nothing but hopefully will
Speaker 1: be my career. And then even after I got my deal,
Speaker 1: I was so nervous about actually making money like I
Speaker 1: am at Universal Publishing. But I signed there, I still
Speaker 1: kept the jobs for like three years. I'd go there
Speaker 1: every morning. Yeah, because you're just terrified that as I'm
Speaker 1: still terrified, Like you still have to be terrified you're
Speaker 1: still You're like, oh my gosh, in any minute, all
Speaker 1: the with the creative at any minute, it could all
Speaker 1: go away. In any minute, it could all come a
Speaker 1: thousand pounds greatness too, But even that could go away,
Speaker 1: like I've just seen it happen to. So I've seen
Speaker 1: much smarter, more talented, funnier people that may not make it,
Speaker 1: and then I've seen people that have made it so
Speaker 1: and then lost it all. And it's just a weird
Speaker 1: thing to be in a creative industry. But if we
Speaker 1: didn't love what we did with all of our hearts,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't our only option to do it, we
Speaker 1: couldn't when we wouldn't do it. And that's how I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, So like, how do I
Speaker 1: be a comedian? And I'm like, well, that's what I do.
Speaker 1: I go up there and suck, but I love sucking. Well,
Speaker 1: let me repace that. I go there and I bomb,
Speaker 1: but I love bombing to the point where I get good.
Speaker 1: And how do you know how you could be on
Speaker 1: the radio? How do you get I love it so
Speaker 1: much that you know there were there were twenty nine
Speaker 1: and jobs I did not get in radio before I
Speaker 1: got my like my first real one and now I
Speaker 1: have the biggest country show in in the United States.
Speaker 1: It's not because it's just because I just kept on
Speaker 1: the key. The keys, just keeping on and keep growing.
Speaker 1: Here's the song. This is the first one that I
Speaker 1: knew from you and it was a monster too. So
Speaker 1: this is Lonely Tonight and this is Blake Shelton and
Speaker 1: one of my like I love Ashton Monroe like man
Speaker 1: like she was just a heart on her. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I voted for her for Album of the Year last
Speaker 1: year for CMA is just because whatever the for Blade, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I was like, what's the album of the year.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's the one I listened to
Speaker 1: the most, so I'm gonna vote for that one. Music
Speaker 1: is great, But just as a person, I voted for
Speaker 1: her a quaint of England actually just a different election.
Speaker 1: But so Blake and Ashley had the song. But you
Speaker 1: wrote this with who my friend Brent Anderson two man, right,
Speaker 1: oh man, you get got got paid like crazy. Okay,
Speaker 1: here is Lonely Tonight. This is Ryan her uh we like,
Speaker 1: it's Blake and it's a big name and it's actually
Speaker 1: here's my story about this because I want to know
Speaker 1: how this came together. But I was sitting at dinner
Speaker 1: and I don't keep a lot of artist friends because
Speaker 1: I like to be objective and if it's not good,
Speaker 1: I just can't go on the are and say it's good.
Speaker 1: And I was sitting with Ashley at dinner and it
Speaker 1: was just her and I and she was like, I've
Speaker 1: got this song and she goes, that's not mine, it's Blake's,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be on it. I just they just
Speaker 1: offered me that the duet to it, and it's called
Speaker 1: Lonely Tonight. She goes, it's so good, and she goes, man,
Speaker 1: I hope that this is a single. She goes, because
Speaker 1: I feel so strongly about this song. And you know,
Speaker 1: Ashley is very traditional sounding, and she was like, it's
Speaker 1: a little not right up my alley, but it feels
Speaker 1: so good to do. And it was freaking Blake Shelton,
Speaker 1: like if Lke Sheldon wanted to do a farting duet.
Speaker 1: So um. She was like, I just feel so good
Speaker 1: about this song. And this says I don't know how
Speaker 1: many weeks before it ever came out, but she was
Speaker 1: telling me about it and then I remember hearing it
Speaker 1: the first time, a going wow. So you this song
Speaker 1: comes and you you and you who wrote it with you?
Speaker 1: Brent Anderson. Okay, so tell me about where were you
Speaker 1: when you wrote this? Just wrote it in the writer's
Speaker 1: room kind of like kind of like this, and we
Speaker 1: wrote it and we were excited enough to show his
Speaker 1: publisher Segale, which is Brad Brad Paisley's publishing company, and
Speaker 1: we walked down and played for him and this is great,
Speaker 1: this is great. And it wasn't originally a duet. There
Speaker 1: was this like weird like echo part which is where
Speaker 1: she sings now, but it was this really weird thing
Speaker 1: that we kind of Brent definitely wrote that part and
Speaker 1: uh we just like everything was cool about it except
Speaker 1: for that. I'm just kidding. I wrote that part. But
Speaker 1: there's this weird echo part. And we got to the
Speaker 1: studio to cut the vocal and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: this is a duet. This space maision in the studio
Speaker 1: to switch the song to duet. Yeah, Brent and I did,
Speaker 1: and we called our friend Sarah Hayes, who's an artist
Speaker 1: in town and a killer songwriter. She wrote She's on
Speaker 1: that Jennifer Nettles single right now and she wrote Carrie
Speaker 1: song She's fantastic. But she came in and we wrote
Speaker 1: that while she was on the way to the studio.
Speaker 1: We had to write the lyrics for it, which is
Speaker 1: like the really simple lyrics, and as the whole time
Speaker 1: we're cutting this vocal, I was like, is that too simple?
Speaker 1: Is that too simple? And it turns out it's like
Speaker 1: the most accessible part of the song. And I'm really
Speaker 1: glad we made it a duet. So you made it
Speaker 1: a duet? Okay, So you guys cut the song. Did
Speaker 1: you know where it was going first? Now? Because uh
Speaker 1: all it got pitched to Warner over and over for
Speaker 1: Blake Shelton. I don't know how all this stuff always happens.
Speaker 1: It's always in the dark to me. But Rebecca Gordon
Speaker 1: at Warner Brothers held it twice and showed Scott Hendricks,
Speaker 1: so they held it like maybe this will be a song.
Speaker 1: They let it go, then they held it again. They
Speaker 1: showed his producer Scott Hendricks again. He's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want that and then he gets empty. He gets directly
Speaker 1: MP three the song from a publisher like you gotta
Speaker 1: take a look at this song. If you haven't heard
Speaker 1: it's like no Scott Hendricks again. He's like, I love this.
Speaker 1: How have I not heard this yet? Three times? And
Speaker 1: maybe it was just a computer he was on. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how this stuff works, you know,
Speaker 1: having like getting a song on a record is like
Speaker 1: getting like ten coin flips to go your way, and
Speaker 1: then getting it on the radio is like getting ten more.
Speaker 1: So that's the next step. Okay, So Blake says it's
Speaker 1: no longer on because there's the step of writing it.
Speaker 1: Then there's the step up a getting on a hole,
Speaker 1: which means you're not on the record yet. Yeah. Holding
Speaker 1: a song just means you can't show this to anybody
Speaker 1: else you're not supposed to. I'm holding it. I got
Speaker 1: so I've got DIBs until I turn it down exactly.
Speaker 1: So at that point they had DIBs on it till
Speaker 1: they turned it down. Sure, But then you hear a
Speaker 1: lot of noise like we're definitely doing this. Okay, where'd
Speaker 1: that cover? Where did you hear first? And you know
Speaker 1: it was Blake. He was like, I'm in Yeah, just
Speaker 1: the day that they were we knew the day they're
Speaker 1: going back into cut and then you know, as my
Speaker 1: friend Derek Wells plays guitar for all the Blake stuff,
Speaker 1: plays on almost everybody's stuff, and he, uh, he was
Speaker 1: texting me from the studio like cutting your song right now.
Speaker 1: But you knew, So I knew it was happening, like
Speaker 1: making a murderer. And inside you always have to have
Speaker 1: somebody that you know, and at this point you know everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that was I mean, I've had my
Speaker 1: song cut by a lot of people. But when you
Speaker 1: have a name like that, that's like a that's no
Speaker 1: matter if it's on the radio or anyone even ever
Speaker 1: hears it. That's like you're a little piece of country
Speaker 1: music history no matter what. So that and it gives
Speaker 1: you so much like validation and so much credibility, and
Speaker 1: you know you can get you can your publisher can
Speaker 1: go out and say, like Ryan just got a Blake
Speaker 1: Shelton cut. That's a huge deal, which gets you bigger
Speaker 1: rights and better rights and more. It's currency. It's exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, it's when you get it.
Speaker 1: So did you know Ashley Monroe was on this song?
Speaker 1: And at what point? Actually I knew she was gonna
Speaker 1: be on it before because she called my publisher and
Speaker 1: I was like, can I write with the guys that
Speaker 1: wrote this song? So she ended up writing with me
Speaker 1: and Aaron, who's my producer, just and she talked about
Speaker 1: it the entire time. Who wrote a cool song that
Speaker 1: they too? Uh, But she talked about being on the
Speaker 1: song over and over and how how much it meant
Speaker 1: to her because she was just putting the blade out.
Speaker 1: She hadn't quite yet and she had. You know, it's
Speaker 1: hard for someone who's like more of a traditional country
Speaker 1: music person to get on the radio a whole lot.
Speaker 1: It's just the way that it is. It always has
Speaker 1: been that way in the last ten years or whatever.
Speaker 1: So she was so excited. I don't know, I love Ashley.
Speaker 1: I've got to know where through it. And she's just
Speaker 1: a really gentle has like this gentle spirit that so cool,
Speaker 1: and she's so into what she does so like cuts
Speaker 1: great songs. She's a great writer. But yeah, so that
Speaker 1: was I met her through that, through her hearing the song,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be on it, and then she we
Speaker 1: got to be friends through that, so that happens. They
Speaker 1: cut it. Now it's single time, okay, and everybody who
Speaker 1: cuts a song on any record they want to be
Speaker 1: the single. So where how in the world does this
Speaker 1: song get picked? And where were you they? So they
Speaker 1: put out Neon Light first, and uh, which is awesome.
Speaker 1: Did you think maybe it had a chance to be
Speaker 1: They kind of whispered at it being a single. And also,
Speaker 1: if you see a record label a record company put
Speaker 1: out a duet with both partners on the same label,
Speaker 1: it means you don't have to go ask for single
Speaker 1: rights from another label, so it's a little easier for
Speaker 1: them to just go put it right out. So because
Speaker 1: Blake and Ashley are on the same record label, it
Speaker 1: was kind of like they were setting it up not
Speaker 1: only as a single for him, but as sort of
Speaker 1: like a launch pad heard and so we kind of
Speaker 1: heard whispers the entire time that it would be second
Speaker 1: And then like three weeks before Neon Light went number one,
Speaker 1: they told us that it would be the single, and
Speaker 1: then they told us that like two weeks later, a
Speaker 1: week that they were dropping the single of the night
Speaker 1: of the c m A Awards, and they were performing
Speaker 1: it on the c m A Awards. So we were
Speaker 1: all at a party. I remember, it was me a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people, just friends that are writers, that
Speaker 1: are that do this with me, all sitting that it
Speaker 1: was tin roof across from the arena. There's a big
Speaker 1: party that some publishers throw and we watched it happened
Speaker 1: live on the broadcast, and then the next day it
Speaker 1: went for ads. Surreal when you watched it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean i'd I'd seen one time my song on TV
Speaker 1: before I had the Swan Brothers first single later on
Speaker 1: and they played it on the voice. I like those guys,
Speaker 1: but let's be real, that's not Blake. And actually, oh
Speaker 1: it was the voice, so it kind of was Blake.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean that's a that's a career highlight.
Speaker 1: I mean always were always you're sitting in the bar
Speaker 1: watching like and you know it's about to be the
Speaker 1: single too. And I had a guy talking to me
Speaker 1: through it the entire time. He had no idea, he
Speaker 1: just was talking like we were having a conversation, and
Speaker 1: I'm watching the TV and I'm just like, not, I
Speaker 1: remember this. I remember him being right here. And then
Speaker 1: like halfway through the solo, he's like, oh, did you
Speaker 1: write this song? And I looked at it. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, and he disappears, so then it goes
Speaker 1: and then it it's not just a hit. I mean
Speaker 1: it's a smash. Thank you so, and no that's dad.
Speaker 1: I mean you're welcome. But I mean people loved it,
Speaker 1: and I mean it was you know, it was the
Speaker 1: country booty call song, like it really was. But I
Speaker 1: think it's something everybody like and people and people love
Speaker 1: Blake and it was one of his and he had
Speaker 1: so many number ones in a row. I'll ask you
Speaker 1: this person was the pressure there was gonna be? Maybe
Speaker 1: it is not first number one, even though it was
Speaker 1: a great song. You didn't you didn't want to run
Speaker 1: the streak, you know, Yeah, I thought about that. And
Speaker 1: you don't realize how bad you want it until you're
Speaker 1: right there and you're like, man, when you have a song.
Speaker 1: And hopefully I'm old enough now to know, like not
Speaker 1: to live and die by this. But you're watching it
Speaker 1: and it gets up to three, and it gets up
Speaker 1: to two, and I remember talking to some people at
Speaker 1: Big Machine and they're like, we're going for a second
Speaker 1: week at Thomas Rhett and I forget which one it was.
Speaker 1: It was the Ah, I can't remember. I'm blanking on
Speaker 1: two songs. I usually don't do that, but I remember
Speaker 1: being there, like, I can't believe they're going for a
Speaker 1: second week on this. No one ever does that. Nobody
Speaker 1: does it. It's always cleared and they're not fighting someone
Speaker 1: for a number one spot, right, and and so I
Speaker 1: just remember being like, how can you do that? This
Speaker 1: is my first one? Like like Scott boys Shadow would
Speaker 1: like that's goes into his thinking. It's like Ryan really
Speaker 1: wants the number one. So but I remember watching it,
Speaker 1: and I remember they told me, like, we'll know what
Speaker 1: twelve sitting at too. He's at one. And you can
Speaker 1: kind of watch the media base. You can watch the
Speaker 1: charts in real time on the internet. In five minutes.
Speaker 1: I can watch them. Yeah, And so you watch it
Speaker 1: and you're like, I think we're gonna get it. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get it. And then like the radio
Speaker 1: people call and they're like, we're calling this number one,
Speaker 1: we're calling this number one, and we'll know officially at midnight.
Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting there at midnight like cool, we'll
Speaker 1: no officially at midnight. And at midnight comes and I
Speaker 1: call my publisher and he doesn't pick up, and I
Speaker 1: call my other publisher and they don't pick up, and
Speaker 1: I call everybody and they're like, oh, yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: know until like five am. Just wake up in the morning,
Speaker 1: we'll tell you coast. Yeah. So I was like I
Speaker 1: kind of was like losing my mind a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. And but you know, when you wake
Speaker 1: up and you do have a number one song, and
Speaker 1: so you and you go, but like you move here
Speaker 1: to get that's what you do, is you move here
Speaker 1: to have to be a hit songwriter and to have
Speaker 1: number one songs. And you know, I've been fortunate to
Speaker 1: have like everything that you could possibly have happened to
Speaker 1: you as a songwriter already happened to me. Like I've
Speaker 1: had songs get old and let go. I've had songs,
Speaker 1: I've had songs get cut by great artists. I've had
Speaker 1: songs get on the radio and Diet fifty three. I've
Speaker 1: had songs get a top twenty, top fifteen, top ten,
Speaker 1: and then I have want to actually ring the bell
Speaker 1: is a miracle all it is. It's very cool. That's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool that he had to wait now it's cold,
Speaker 1: he had to wait like right then. Yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: you want another wing you know, and it's a better
Speaker 1: story and it makes you appreciate it. That's awesome, man,
Speaker 1: I love that. Thanks, so I knew you've written that one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the first time. Like I talked
Speaker 1: about friends, Dirks is a friend of mine. If I
Speaker 1: needed cash or a ride from six hours while, he
Speaker 1: would drive and pick me up and I would do
Speaker 1: the same for him. Like he's that good of a dude.
Speaker 1: We're both low awkward, so we worked well together. So um,
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, I want to send you Black
Speaker 1: the album, and it's probably three months or so before
Speaker 1: it was out, and he's like, give me your honest feedback.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, if you say that, I'm going
Speaker 1: to because it's better to be honest than it is
Speaker 1: to be nice, because you know, with honesty you can
Speaker 1: always just trust with you if if I say something bad,
Speaker 1: I'm not bad for something like that's not positive about something,
Speaker 1: you can trust that when I say something good, I
Speaker 1: mean it. In my opinion isn't always right, and I
Speaker 1: always say that to like, an opinion is just what
Speaker 1: it is. And with things in the creative world, if
Speaker 1: anyone says their opinion is right, then They're absolutely wrong.
Speaker 1: There is no universal right in anything creative. So I said, sure,
Speaker 1: send me black Love to hear it. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: He sends me right, D this I'll be the Moon song.
Speaker 1: Best song on the record, like does it? Like I
Speaker 1: know it will be the first single because it's uh
Speaker 1: to do it. But this is the best song on
Speaker 1: the record. But and I started thinking, like, whoever this song?
Speaker 1: Where in the world is it? Because I wonder where
Speaker 1: people's minds are when they write songs like this, um
Speaker 1: and so this is a U. This is so I
Speaker 1: wrote I'll be the Moon. Uh, man, this song, this
Speaker 1: is the best song I think I've ever written. Would
Speaker 1: you say that? You would say that? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just the one's I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I can talk about it for a day. That's why
Speaker 1: it's hard to say one thing about it. Like, uh,
Speaker 1: I just first of all, this song we wrote in
Speaker 1: like less than an hour. I wrote it with Heather
Speaker 1: Morgan and Matt drags drum like great throws out things
Speaker 1: she says songs, and I'm like, I would she says
Speaker 1: things in her songs that has I watched comedians. I would,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I just thinking that I just couldn't
Speaker 1: say that, you know, things like that. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm in the middle of I'm always
Speaker 1: thinking about like why we do this? Like wow, when
Speaker 1: we wake up in the morning, I'm like, is this
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be? Is this like what I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing? If it's writing songs, are cutting whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And this song was like you have
Speaker 1: to write nine songs to get to this one, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And I sat down and Heather was
Speaker 1: late because she was doing traffic school on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, Matt just sits down. He had that shuffle
Speaker 1: beat thing like like that I can't beat box, but
Speaker 1: it's like the sixth eight time thing. And I just
Speaker 1: started playing this acoustic guitar. He's got this really cool
Speaker 1: like ringy acoustic like Gibson acoustic guitar, and his in
Speaker 1: his office. And Matt and I went to school together
Speaker 1: and we've been to Mexico to write songs and we're
Speaker 1: really close. And uh, I just started playing this finger
Speaker 1: picky thing and that's not usually what I do. And
Speaker 1: I just remember, that's that idea popped. That title popped
Speaker 1: in my head and it was like I'll be the moon.
Speaker 1: And I don't know where it came from. People say
Speaker 1: like they fall out of the sky, and that was
Speaker 1: a moment where it did. So as you wrote this,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you having a story of you being
Speaker 1: the other dude, or you being the dude with another
Speaker 1: dude or I don't know, man, no it's not I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's there's a lot of music that I've written
Speaker 1: it is so dark. I think there's a difference between
Speaker 1: real songs and true songs, like it might not be
Speaker 1: all the way true, but it also is so real.
Speaker 1: And that's a story that people have, and it's a
Speaker 1: story that I don't know. It's like the thing where
Speaker 1: you want what you can't have, and that's a really
Speaker 1: difficult thing. And man, a lot of that stuff is
Speaker 1: just I mean, like loving a bar and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff like yeah, that's my life, like like that's
Speaker 1: how Mary and I got to know each other. We've
Speaker 1: known each other for three years writing songs, but you know,
Speaker 1: like we you know, when we're starting to see each other.
Speaker 1: It was like it was in a bar and it
Speaker 1: was I know, the bar and oh yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a that was a pretty that's a pretty true story.
Speaker 1: Word for word. It that I heard the first time
Speaker 1: I heard I'll be the Moon, like I don't again,
Speaker 1: like you said, I don't know that feeling, but there
Speaker 1: are certain songs that go deeper than just like the
Speaker 1: epidermis of the same and it's just like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like it's a dude, and he's like, I know that
Speaker 1: I can't be your main one, but I love you
Speaker 1: so much that i'll be. I'm okay with being your
Speaker 1: second one because I have that much for you, and
Speaker 1: I hurt for him and I don't even know who
Speaker 1: he is. It's like I'll take everything that you can
Speaker 1: give me, even if it's not everything. And I just remember,
Speaker 1: like Heather are shaping the second verse and it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's like when she has to leave the
Speaker 1: bar and it's like phone lights up in the dark,
Speaker 1: gotta go, I know, but it's still ain't easy. And
Speaker 1: that's when I wrote it. It It wasn't a duet. That
Speaker 1: was definitely not a duet, and I cut it for
Speaker 1: my record and then you know, if it wasn't Dirk Spentley,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't come out on anybody else. It just I
Speaker 1: didn't have a deal at the time for the song
Speaker 1: right for Heather and Matt's sake too, especially, It's like
Speaker 1: you cannot turn down Dirk s Bentley, and I don't
Speaker 1: think there's an artist artistically that I would have wanted
Speaker 1: to do that song other than him, just because that'll
Speaker 1: be such incredible, man. I hope so if it's not
Speaker 1: who I mean, and I say this for me is
Speaker 1: not my money, but people are people that that is
Speaker 1: probably the most powerful song on that record, and I
Speaker 1: hope he finds some sort of like awesomeness inside of that.
Speaker 1: Oh I do, And I hope. I don't sound like
Speaker 1: I'm like upset about that. I'm thrilled we were. That's
Speaker 1: a that's my I texted Dirks about it. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: this is gonna get a lot of love album wise,
Speaker 1: like and he is. He's nominated Album of the Year
Speaker 1: for CMAS. But do you wish you would have kept it?
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't feel like that. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I wish it was different. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the story. So I cut it for
Speaker 1: my record. I put out a five song EP in town.
Speaker 1: I never put it on the internet. I put it
Speaker 1: out as a fourth song EP because Dirk's recorded it,
Speaker 1: and when I record are recording, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to sound at all. It's great, literally, I know,
Speaker 1: I just it's it's so hard because you talk about
Speaker 1: it's a it's a. It's literally the best recording of
Speaker 1: that Aaron and I've ever made, and we love it
Speaker 1: so much. And Marion sings on that one too. She
Speaker 1: sang on my whole thing on the original. Yes, so
Speaker 1: she's singing on the original master that I don't think
Speaker 1: Dirk's a Ross ever heard. They heard the demo of it.
Speaker 1: We're Heather singing on it, which is its own, it's
Speaker 1: its own thing. It's it's beautiful, it's so cool. But
Speaker 1: our version that we cut was like this thing that
Speaker 1: was so has so many swells, and Marion singing on
Speaker 1: it with me, And then when Dirk's cut it, and
Speaker 1: then I remember Marion had just started getting she got
Speaker 1: to deal with Sony and she's getting moving and everything
Speaker 1: is happening for her and she's getting a lot of
Speaker 1: really great attention, and all of a sudden we were
Speaker 1: sitting at a bar in February Melrose on Eighth Avenue
Speaker 1: and we had a beer and both of us had
Speaker 1: like a dark day. I don't remember what it was,
Speaker 1: but we were sitting there and we were talking and
Speaker 1: she had a beer and I had a beer, and
Speaker 1: her phone was in between us. And this is kind
Speaker 1: of funny too, but it it's up and it's just
Speaker 1: a number that she doesn't know, and it it says, Hey, Marion,
Speaker 1: this is Dirk Spentley. I got your number from Corn
Speaker 1: cap Shaw all all of your managers because I have
Speaker 1: this song that i'd love for you to consider singing
Speaker 1: with me as a duet. It's on my new record.
Speaker 1: Would you mind if I said no? She didn't know.
Speaker 1: She had no idea that it was already like you
Speaker 1: and her, she'd already sang it. He had no idea
Speaker 1: that she knew the song, or that she her and
Speaker 1: I had started seeing each other, and we're sitting there
Speaker 1: and she we looked at each other. It was like
Speaker 1: right in between us is obviously I read it. And
Speaker 1: uh so she looks at me and she goes, I
Speaker 1: bet that's your song, and I was like, I bet
Speaker 1: that is my song? And two seconds later, an email
Speaker 1: comes up and it's just says it says Dirk Spentley
Speaker 1: at the top and just says, I'll be the moon.
Speaker 1: Crazy dude, universe. Dude, that's the universe. And so she like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, she gets asked every day to do
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but that's the first person that asked
Speaker 1: her to do I think the first person that asked
Speaker 1: her to do something, and she immediately was like, of
Speaker 1: course I'll do it. She turned me down to do
Speaker 1: Ony record. She was one of the only she turned
Speaker 1: me and I was cool with the two, but she
Speaker 1: turned me down sounds like, um oh, because I'm a
Speaker 1: huge fan, Like I was like, Maridolyn do whatever. The
Speaker 1: only people that turned it down with my ex girlfriend
Speaker 1: and that was her personal reasons, and Carrie Underwood filled
Speaker 1: her spot. And then Marion turned me down for a
Speaker 1: song and I'm still that was, yeah, I'm still sure
Speaker 1: you'll have your chance. I'm a huge I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: Dark by the way, let's see if he even answers,
Speaker 1: because that was that's such a cool story, myself, phone out.
Speaker 1: Let's see the darks answers here. Um, let's know that
Speaker 1: we got it. Hey, maybe with the kids hate calling
Speaker 1: this late? Doesn't he number one right now? Yeah? Girls,
Speaker 1: he's probably probably telling them that's ways he thinks you're calling.
Speaker 1: But that's crazy that you were with her when you
Speaker 1: get the Texas and hey, Marina, you should sing this
Speaker 1: song and those songs she already knew and it was her, dude,
Speaker 1: and she'd already sung the Master with me the first time.
Speaker 1: It's you know, the cool part is that, like we've
Speaker 1: her and I have made music together for the last
Speaker 1: two years. We were friends. We had other people that week.
Speaker 1: You guys were way friends before you did it. Like
Speaker 1: you guys, we're songwriters and just and we wrote. You
Speaker 1: have cuts with other people together. And she's got have
Speaker 1: a song on her record and she has one on
Speaker 1: my song on her record. I wish I was, Oh dude,
Speaker 1: that's a jam. Yeah, And it's the first song that
Speaker 1: she held as an artist. We wrote it, which is
Speaker 1: to me, I don't know, I love being a part
Speaker 1: of it. Let me ask you about that song because
Speaker 1: watch in my head, illsto actually driving back down here.
Speaker 1: So that song to me, I wish I was because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a huge mari and fan too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course okay um and so I wish I was.
Speaker 1: It was like a song about someone who wishes they
Speaker 1: could be with the other person wants them to be,
Speaker 1: but they can't. Yeah, it's like I wish that I
Speaker 1: could still love you, but I can't, and I kind
Speaker 1: of feel bad about the fact that I can't still
Speaker 1: love you, but I just can't do exactly. I relate
Speaker 1: to that song because I've had some I've had that
Speaker 1: awesome girl. That's one of those songs that I like.
Speaker 1: A few songs speak to me, am I life seven right,
Speaker 1: songs really speak to me. John Mayer stopped this train
Speaker 1: speaks to me. You know, there are songs. Walker Hayes
Speaker 1: has a new song called The Comedian. Yeah, that sounds
Speaker 1: so good talking about Walker forever. Walker is like my
Speaker 1: I mean again, you like your girlfriend does. It's oh dude,
Speaker 1: but your girlfriend does. Yeah, that's my that's one right.
Speaker 1: I was trying to Damn. I was trying to write
Speaker 1: that song like two weeks ago. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, we should get This is a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: And I told mar and she's like, that's the stupidest idea.
Speaker 1: It's like we should get uh t shirts that say
Speaker 1: your girlfriend loves we do us and that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: But like the next week he came out with that
Speaker 1: that song, which is perfect exactly. I could never grace
Speaker 1: project both the EPs, and you know, I played them
Speaker 1: on the air and I'm like, you, guys, this is
Speaker 1: the next level. Okay, every program director can be mad
Speaker 1: at me for playing it, but you know I started
Speaker 1: out with where my Shade Dead? That was part of
Speaker 1: the first track, and then now you know, Break the
Speaker 1: Internet fits in well with a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: that we do. But the comedians about and again I
Speaker 1: talked about songs that speak to me. And the thing
Speaker 1: of the song is, you know, the people that make
Speaker 1: people laugh the most usually the most sad inside. And
Speaker 1: I fought that for a lot of my life. I
Speaker 1: fought being the guy that really tries to entertain because
Speaker 1: I have a lot of insecurities and a lot of
Speaker 1: sadness um inside, and so I try to be that.
Speaker 1: When you wrote that song, and I text him immediately
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, like I almost cried because
Speaker 1: of a song that I heard. I've never this Like
Speaker 1: you spoke to me and you had no idea that
Speaker 1: you were speaking to me by writing a song at
Speaker 1: Walker Hays was next level. It's brilliant. That's not not
Speaker 1: a word you should throw around too much, but it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's and and people don't even realize it yet, and
Speaker 1: then the year people will be like, why didn't not?
Speaker 1: Why do we not get on this Walker Hayst thing?
Speaker 1: And so um that song speaks to me in the
Speaker 1: back of the one I would the song that you
Speaker 1: That song speaks to me because I'm such a jackass
Speaker 1: and I say it, I've had had the ask girlfriends
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm a polo crap. I don't treat them
Speaker 1: like crap. I really try to treat humans the best
Speaker 1: that I can treat them. But there's become a point
Speaker 1: with my past girlfriends where I just know I wasn't
Speaker 1: good enough for them, and then I couldn't give them
Speaker 1: what they needed as far as love because I'm broken.
Speaker 1: I know I'm broken. I gotta find I've got to
Speaker 1: fix myself, and so I wish that I could have
Speaker 1: given them what they deserved. And that song, like you
Speaker 1: know you wrote that song. That's crazy because now I'm
Speaker 1: like like my therapist right now, I hear that song
Speaker 1: and I'm like, god, dude, that that's just me talking
Speaker 1: to like my last three or four girlfriends that were
Speaker 1: so great. So as you write that song, like, what
Speaker 1: are you guys talking about as it's coming together? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we're both going through breakup. So she was
Speaker 1: definitely and uh, it was the last song we wrote.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and the hook is I'm not the one,
Speaker 1: but I wish. I was like, I'm not your person anymore.
Speaker 1: I wish I could be, but I just can't. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know that we wrote with Natalie Hemby and
Speaker 1: just that Marion does that soul thing so well that
Speaker 1: just that sixties oh this sound apparently listen to some
Speaker 1: live South By South with Spotify session. All right, go ahead,
Speaker 1: keep going. Uh yeah, it's she's so good at that
Speaker 1: sixties and the seventies like motown thing, and that's just
Speaker 1: kind of where it started. And she had just kind
Speaker 1: of decided, like I'm tired of people telling me like
Speaker 1: that they can't sing my song, like they're like I
Speaker 1: love this, I just can't physically sing it. That that
Speaker 1: happened to her a lot, and she was like, I
Speaker 1: just I want to start playing again. I wanted. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be just a writer, and that was
Speaker 1: a cool moment for her and a cool moment for
Speaker 1: me to watch happened. And we were just a creative
Speaker 1: partnership at that point. And then I don't know. This
Speaker 1: one was the first song. It's so good. This is
Speaker 1: the first song that she held as an artist, which
Speaker 1: means for ever, I know I'm breaking your heart, so
Speaker 1: sitting what you want to, I'm not gonna stop you.
Speaker 1: You can blame it all on me. I got to
Speaker 1: sing the harmonism. I'm got the hero and the staring.
Speaker 1: I'm not the girl that gets the glove because I
Speaker 1: can't up and I'm not, but I wish, but I wish.
Speaker 1: It's such a weird relationship just in the song because
Speaker 1: she's the villain, but she's actually the good guy at
Speaker 1: the same time. Yeah, she can't give it to you. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be honest about it. And I wish
Speaker 1: I was me, but it's not. Yeah, and it's the
Speaker 1: title of the record too, I mean her records hero
Speaker 1: and she's I don't know. She describes it is really cool.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not the hero in this story, but
Speaker 1: I am the hero in mine, And it's just really
Speaker 1: like self empowering thought to to to like know yourself
Speaker 1: enough to say, like, I can't be with you anymore.
Speaker 1: You have to be like your own be she talks
Speaker 1: about all the time, like be your own hero. I
Speaker 1: can't be yours. I'm sorry. It's it's I'm really proud
Speaker 1: of that song. I'm proud to be on that record.
Speaker 1: It's obviously got a lot of attention and a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, critical acclaim and nominations and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and that's like me as a writer, like, man, I'm on,
Speaker 1: I think four or five number one records this year.
Speaker 1: I never thought that would happen. And I'm on, you know,
Speaker 1: two of the five ce may nominated records of the
Speaker 1: year with like relatively like get the record. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: on Maron's record record, and then the other three I'm
Speaker 1: not on, and so you should be. I'm talk with
Speaker 1: them for the next year. So I want to play
Speaker 1: a couple. All the tricks come on, So I need
Speaker 1: to cut Rascal flats payback, could pay back to help me?
Speaker 1: Your was this the same as Lonely Tonight? So two
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, I don't know, man, they're running together. Did
Speaker 1: they come to you and say, hey, we're holding it
Speaker 1: quick and it's gonna be the radical flats. It was
Speaker 1: a drug out song. Oh, they drug it out for
Speaker 1: like well, I don't want to say it like that.
Speaker 1: They held it at the beginning of the process for
Speaker 1: their record and a year later you can call it
Speaker 1: whatever you want, mom, and they they it came out
Speaker 1: a little different than what we had originally done, but
Speaker 1: I mean just to be tracked one and that was
Speaker 1: Aaron and I wrote that song together with Neil Mason
Speaker 1: from the Cadillac Three, who's the drummer and uh Man.
Speaker 1: That song made us, Like sometimes songs just because they
Speaker 1: don't go all the way to number one doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they didn't do a whole lot for like for me,
Speaker 1: that song made us like music Row famous, Like every
Speaker 1: publisher and every songwriter knew that song on Music Row
Speaker 1: because the demo was cool and it was like something
Speaker 1: people hadn't heard before. And I don't know, I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of this. I played this live up until like
Speaker 1: this summer. Yeah, all right, that Tim McGraw. This is
Speaker 1: called Last Turn Home. Yeah. I wrote this with Maren
Speaker 1: and uh This her first cut ever, And is that right?
Speaker 1: This is her first cut. This is the one you
Speaker 1: as Tim cut her cut her first song. I cut
Speaker 1: this song from my record, so like we were really
Speaker 1: hoping it would go on the radio, and you hear
Speaker 1: whispers here and there, and that happens all the time.
Speaker 1: You're like, this will be a single. It will be
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just not a single. Miller tells me. He goes,
Speaker 1: if they started saying it's a single real early, it
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a thing. That's that's a hard thing,
Speaker 1: but that's like what you sign up for. I actually
Speaker 1: hadn't listened to this version a long time. Well let's listen.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cool things. This harmony yea one
Speaker 1: place I cut this on my record actually, and uh, hell,
Speaker 1: I mean this one just really from the time moment
Speaker 1: we got it back, we were all just so excited
Speaker 1: it about it and at the time you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I really want you to put this on the radio.
Speaker 1: And then it seems to be like the biggest blessing
Speaker 1: that it never actually did, because it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about I'll be the Moon being like the
Speaker 1: best song maybe I've ever written that co written with
Speaker 1: those guys, but this one is my favorite song I've
Speaker 1: ever written, just what it says. And like you know
Speaker 1: when you like really connect on an idea and you
Speaker 1: write songs you know about it, like when you but
Speaker 1: I have this idea and then you're just like, I
Speaker 1: think it's that feeling about like you know, like you
Speaker 1: don't live at in your hometown anymore. I don't live
Speaker 1: in my hometown anymore, but I just know the feeling
Speaker 1: of what I get to forty two Street now, like
Speaker 1: in Michigan, and I take that right and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm home, and like that feeling is
Speaker 1: very similar to a feeling you find in a person,
Speaker 1: and I it's like a weight is lifted off your
Speaker 1: shoulders on the same like when I fly home and
Speaker 1: I landed at the airport. It's just like it's like
Speaker 1: this weird release of oxygen, this weird weight that comes
Speaker 1: off where this comfortability comes over you. And sometimes it's
Speaker 1: not fun to be home, but it's feel comfortable to
Speaker 1: be home. And it's a person too. That's the thing
Speaker 1: about it. Is like that when you can take a
Speaker 1: feeling and you can put it on the end of
Speaker 1: your finger, and you can be like you feel like this,
Speaker 1: and somebody hears it and they internalize that that's what
Speaker 1: this is all about, and that's what music is about.
Speaker 1: We can run songs up the radio and get mad
Speaker 1: over and over about like I wish I deserve this,
Speaker 1: or I wish that this had happened to me. I
Speaker 1: wish this song had been a single, or this had
Speaker 1: been on the radio, or I wish I could get
Speaker 1: a record deal or a published man. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's just music and if the only
Speaker 1: thing that matters. It doesn't matter if it's a party
Speaker 1: song or or a ballot or this kind of love song.
Speaker 1: The only thing that matters with music is doesn't make
Speaker 1: you feel something. And I think when you absolutely nail
Speaker 1: it that that's payment enough that you don't need anything else. Well,
Speaker 1: you gotta pay the bills, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1: But when you do get you don't do this for
Speaker 1: the money. I don't do this for money. You do
Speaker 1: it because this is we wouldn't do it. There's no
Speaker 1: money in it when you start forever and that's why.
Speaker 1: And you know, I got kicked out of college one
Speaker 1: time for speaking, I got banned from the university because
Speaker 1: I went into the university and I just like to
Speaker 1: be honest all the time, and it gets me in
Speaker 1: trouble a lot. And so I went to the university
Speaker 1: and they're pit three hundred kids there, and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: come speak to them about doing radio television. And I said, um, okay,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, so, um, I'm Bobby. I do it.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was living in Austin. I built
Speaker 1: my own syndication company, UM from with my own money,
Speaker 1: from scratch, and it was in the hole for a
Speaker 1: long time. And I knew what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: But I also knew that if you weren't absolutely set
Speaker 1: and dedicated with your entire life to doing it making
Speaker 1: no money, that it wasn't for you. And I was
Speaker 1: happy with my heart with doing what I was doing
Speaker 1: my whole life, struggling one. I grew up poor. It
Speaker 1: was easy to me to be poor. It's easier to
Speaker 1: be poor if you know how to be poor. But
Speaker 1: I knew if I was poured the rest of my
Speaker 1: life doing what I loved, I wasn't poor. Like maybe
Speaker 1: I don't have so much money, but I wasn't poor
Speaker 1: in my heart. I wasn't poor. I wasn't. I was fulfilled.
Speaker 1: And I told him that. I said, if I were
Speaker 1: you and you're studying radio right now, get out stop
Speaker 1: because the noise in the study. Go do it. Go
Speaker 1: in turn, go get your foot in the door somewhere,
Speaker 1: study something else given, But you're wasting based in the
Speaker 1: letters that I'm never invited back to the college I was.
Speaker 1: I was banned from the school for for four years.
Speaker 1: Maybe model I didn't know. No, I did not fit
Speaker 1: the business model. I'm pretty good speaker, but I did not,
Speaker 1: so I was banned from the school. Um. But you're
Speaker 1: right there. If you're doing it to pay the bills,
Speaker 1: don't do it. If you find something you love. This
Speaker 1: is what I heard and I felt, and I've grown
Speaker 1: into you. You find something you love, you work harder
Speaker 1: at it. You work harder at it, you get better
Speaker 1: at it. You get better at it, you'll start to
Speaker 1: read those rewards that you didn't really plan on getting
Speaker 1: at the beginning, but they just kind of come with
Speaker 1: sticking with it, loving and improving and taking coaching and
Speaker 1: surrounding yourself with better people. Very few people I know,
Speaker 1: they're just so good to walk out and go, I'll
Speaker 1: take it all right, it's all mine. It's always the
Speaker 1: iceberg of there's so many nose and awful things and
Speaker 1: you suck and anger and jealousy and the very tip
Speaker 1: of it's like, oh, you made it overnight success. And
Speaker 1: it's like, man, if you had any idea that of
Speaker 1: everybody I know listening to you here, like people may
Speaker 1: just know us, and we're gonna get back to your
Speaker 1: new the new Ryan Herd stuff in a second. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's this new guy named Ryan Herd that just bopped
Speaker 1: in the Nashville scene. I got news for you. You've
Speaker 1: been around your busting his butt for a long time.
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the theme when people come
Speaker 1: in and we talk. That's like, man, you just kill
Speaker 1: it and kill and kill it, and you're okay with
Speaker 1: killing yourself over it because you love it. And then
Speaker 1: when it hits your like, it's amazing. I get to
Speaker 1: do what I love and I've gotta get to pay
Speaker 1: a car payment because of what I love. Here is
Speaker 1: the Swan Brothers later on, Yeah, this is the first
Speaker 1: time we ever had go on the radio that I did.
Speaker 1: It grew with Joey Hide justin Wilson and they plays
Speaker 1: on TV this one. Yeah, and we had a party
Speaker 1: and it was so fun. I'm a voice. Why this
Speaker 1: one gets on the charts? Remember, like back Door Levin Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's staffed it for a long time. It was, I'm
Speaker 1: not it was awesome later it's a good dude too
Speaker 1: good right there? Right? And one more cut. This is
Speaker 1: Jaco and sure Fire Feelings my first cut. This is it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Jake's really always been such a great dude to
Speaker 1: me and we're kind of buddies now. I went surfing
Speaker 1: on his boat a couple of times over Labor Day
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I've always been He's always taking
Speaker 1: me out to write. And this is Steve Mokler, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and Matt McGain Steve's wife Gracie is best friends of
Speaker 1: Amy and my co host. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a
Speaker 1: small world, right, it's small town. And so sure if
Speaker 1: I feeling this is your first one, we ever say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is going on a record. Yeah, it was happened
Speaker 1: quick to like I signed a universal and kind of
Speaker 1: this song came in and I didn't think anything of it,
Speaker 1: and like, I think this is like three or four
Speaker 1: months into my deal and you know that that getting
Speaker 1: that it went on his EP summary repeat and then
Speaker 1: on his days of Gold record Who's All Sides? You
Speaker 1: know that's a huge to get that big of a
Speaker 1: cut right out of the gate, I mean, and that
Speaker 1: relationship has been amazing. Jake's always I think Jake's a
Speaker 1: fantastic artist. I love the songs he's chosen. I love,
Speaker 1: always have loved his production and just he's always been
Speaker 1: He sent me left me a message recently and just like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I'm really proud of you for putting we
Speaker 1: do us out. I'm jamming it right now. I don't know,
Speaker 1: just a little stuff like that, like you don't have
Speaker 1: to do that, And that means a lot to me.
Speaker 1: He's always just supported me in a huge way. Jake
Speaker 1: was like the first guy new here for for many reasons.
Speaker 1: Mutual friends. Let's see if you'll answer. We'll called Jake
Speaker 1: and see if he'll get his take. Hey, I'm with
Speaker 1: Ryan heard right now we're doing an interview at my house. Uh,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about you do you have anything you want?
Speaker 1: By the way, is Jay go on here on on
Speaker 1: this show? Um, we're talking about his first ever cut
Speaker 1: Surefire Feeling, which you cut and he said he's been
Speaker 1: surfing on your boat. I just kind of wondering your
Speaker 1: thoughts to our listeners here, just in general about this
Speaker 1: dude Ryan heard. Ah. Well, first off, man, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you called um. And secondly, uh, I love Ryan, you
Speaker 1: know that? And um, I think you know obviously like
Speaker 1: you said, that song' Surefire Feeling that he wrote that
Speaker 1: was on the Endless Summer EP that I did. I
Speaker 1: just the minute I heard that song, I loved it.
Speaker 1: And then obviously one of the reasons I think all
Speaker 1: artists sometimes love songs when they hear them, is you
Speaker 1: hear the guys singing it that wrote it. And uh,
Speaker 1: Ryan just got such a cool, unique voice. Um, I
Speaker 1: couldn't understand why, you know the person was singing at
Speaker 1: that time, why that guy wasn't you know, on the radio.
Speaker 1: But soon enough everybody's canna hear Mr Ryan heard on
Speaker 1: the radio. And uh, and I'm happy for I couldn't
Speaker 1: be happy for the guy. Well, appreciate how you good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually tell you one on vacation. Yeah yeah, Oh dude,
Speaker 1: it was awesome because Rigez was amazing. But I'm not
Speaker 1: here in l a. I gotta git me Kimmel tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: So I gotta dude, come on you. I shouldn't say
Speaker 1: that I'm lucky to do that is what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get a crowd for that one too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you must be pretty. You must be a pretty special, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I never got the invite every Bobby's House
Speaker 1: for the for the Bobby's House radio show. I think
Speaker 1: maybe you're just too busy for I got nothing going
Speaker 1: on you you got a record stuff? Dude. I love
Speaker 1: to you know, we just saw each other. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. When you get home, let me know you
Speaker 1: come over to the Bobby Cast. Alright, alright, talk to you. Jake. So,
Speaker 1: Jake is really good friends with so one of my
Speaker 1: best friends and like literal best friends. Like do you
Speaker 1: know you have your your top achillant friends. Uh is
Speaker 1: Andy Roddick and so as he plays tennis, and okay,
Speaker 1: of course, so Andy rot to grew up and play
Speaker 1: tennis under the guy, and they grew up together, and
Speaker 1: Jake was in his wedding and so Andy was like,
Speaker 1: hey moved Nashville. You got another Jake and so him
Speaker 1: and he called Jake and Jake was totally cool and
Speaker 1: like before I knew anybody. Jake was like, dude, come on,
Speaker 1: let's go. I'll show some places of around I know
Speaker 1: much Jake. I was like, all right, there's the long
Speaker 1: errands only around nag Bro. He's the same way with me,
Speaker 1: just like, hey, you want to come write some songs
Speaker 1: on my bus? Like yeah, yeah, and I've been on
Speaker 1: a bus like once or twice before, but yeah, just
Speaker 1: his bus, not his crew bus, not his band bus,
Speaker 1: his bus. It was awesome. And then Jay got really drunk,
Speaker 1: wanted a bar and I'm listening I come to the
Speaker 1: Dallas was like, hey, how's your bob? Jake like bib on.
Speaker 1: So I was like that guy and I was like, Jake,
Speaker 1: what are you talking trash for? So we didn't talk
Speaker 1: for like a month, but now we're like best buzz again.
Speaker 1: It's like friends. You can get into a fight. That's
Speaker 1: how you know you get a friend when you can
Speaker 1: get to a fight and then not and then be
Speaker 1: over with again. I was like, dude, what I guess
Speaker 1: that sucks. I was drunk, dude, my bad like that,
Speaker 1: Like I feel for him on that one. I was
Speaker 1: a way I was way drunk. Are you like the
Speaker 1: universe as a place for you kind of guy? I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. Yeah, probably, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: could get pretty fluffy on you about stuff that I believe,
Speaker 1: but man, I think that the Yeah, there's something about
Speaker 1: being exactly where you're supposed to be, something about being
Speaker 1: like I don't know, there's hard days where you're just like, man,
Speaker 1: what am I doing in Iowa again? I've played Iowa
Speaker 1: five times this year, and you're just like, man, this
Speaker 1: is exactly where I'm supposed to be. And it just
Speaker 1: gives you this calming feeling about it, Like especially with
Speaker 1: like relationships and you know, music and art, It's like, man,
Speaker 1: this is exactly where I'm supposed to be. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I am. Can you find it annoying that
Speaker 1: I texture? No, not at all, because because sometimes like,
Speaker 1: oh I'm annoying him because I'm like I don't wan't
Speaker 1: bother him. But I'm like, I got to start this
Speaker 1: feeling right now. I want to drind this feeling. I did.
Speaker 1: I see that article the other day too, because we talked.
Speaker 1: When we talked, I talked to that on my last
Speaker 1: really with Chip Ester from Nashville. I was like, got
Speaker 1: the article by John because and he didn't quit it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, what was that he talked about? His
Speaker 1: mom said leave, but not not to leave. He was
Speaker 1: in Lead, New York. He said his mom made him.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, if you his mom said she
Speaker 1: would never tell him to quit his dream, but he
Speaker 1: had to promise if he didn't have anything going on
Speaker 1: in two years that he would do something else because
Speaker 1: she wanted to. She said, I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: the one who's gonna tell you to stop your dream.
Speaker 1: You need to be the one to know when to stop.
Speaker 1: But I love that article because it made me feel
Speaker 1: like I related to it where he's like, man, I
Speaker 1: live a lottery ticket life, and I feel like that
Speaker 1: like getting to do creative work for a living. I
Speaker 1: don't have another job anymore. This is it getting to
Speaker 1: make music in Nashville, Tennessee. That's a lottery ticket life.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you make two thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: month on your drawer, if you make if you just
Speaker 1: sold your catalog for four million bucks, Like that's a
Speaker 1: special thing. That's what like I think about people who
Speaker 1: make just billionaires who wish that they were musicians, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, it's crazy to me. To
Speaker 1: make it in Nashville is almost like making it as
Speaker 1: a first basement of the Yankees or a supermodel. It's
Speaker 1: that people. It looks easy because there either there are
Speaker 1: a few of them out there, but this town is
Speaker 1: littered with excellence. It's weird, it's um so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just what. People come into town and they just walk
Speaker 1: down through Broadway and like, wow, this guy can really sing,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, are nothing Like I get just in the
Speaker 1: studio and the greatest get to come through and I
Speaker 1: get to watch them three feet from me, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like blown away. And at times you get jaded
Speaker 1: by stuff, and I get jaded, and we all get
Speaker 1: jaded if we're around a while. But then Garth comes
Speaker 1: in and resets to you and then you know, and
Speaker 1: even with Marion you know which by the way, I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna bring up shoot your girlfriend like I was.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't talk about that at all, but you brought
Speaker 1: it up. So even with her, I was like, the
Speaker 1: first time I heard was her EP, I was I
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, Like there's just something about this
Speaker 1: that's not like anything else, and so I remember having
Speaker 1: her in before she had a song on radio, and
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I know, did you think this
Speaker 1: is weird? But would you come on the show? And
Speaker 1: now it's just been awesome to see her pop. What
Speaker 1: would she say about you as a songwriter? What would
Speaker 1: you say about me a songwriter? I don't know, I
Speaker 1: have you don't know. I can call her please don't really, Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. As a writer, we I'm really good
Speaker 1: at like letting her role and like no one when
Speaker 1: she's on something, so like when we're writing together, like
Speaker 1: I'm as a songwriter, I like to take the steering
Speaker 1: wheel and I'm like, I have never written for other people.
Speaker 1: And that's a weird thing about being a professional songwriters,
Speaker 1: Like I always wrote for myself. Threw it all up
Speaker 1: against the wall and said, if anybody wants to record these,
Speaker 1: have at it, which is sort of like I should
Speaker 1: have been an artist a long time ago. Maybe if
Speaker 1: that's if I've only written in that way. But I
Speaker 1: love watching like as a songwriter, especially with Marion. You know,
Speaker 1: she hears on demos and stuff and she tells me
Speaker 1: which one she loves, and she would say, you don't
Speaker 1: like one of them. I sent one the other day
Speaker 1: and she goes, that's cool, not my favorite out of all.
Speaker 1: I think that's what she said. It was like the
Speaker 1: k of the text message. Okay, but she listens to
Speaker 1: it all and she's really she's seriously my heat, my
Speaker 1: biggest fan musically, I think because just we've always had
Speaker 1: like a really close creative partnership. But I'm really good
Speaker 1: at letting her run with stuff and like no one
Speaker 1: when she's in the head space that she's like doing
Speaker 1: brilliant stuff. So with her opening for Stableton at the Rhyman, Dude,
Speaker 1: that's stage. That's a that's a moment right there, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Just to be able to be on that stage and
Speaker 1: to sing a song we sang Last Turn Home, So
Speaker 1: that's yeah. She that was really cool. I was cool
Speaker 1: for her asking me to do that. It's weird. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say this too, but yeah, I played the Rhyman
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. It's crazy sheet this feeling. I only
Speaker 1: did one song and you just get this feeling like
Speaker 1: I the whole show out but no, no, it's like yes,
Speaker 1: it's like have you played the opera yet? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: you will like no down Navy Jason, like, you will
Speaker 1: play the opera um and people say this, And the
Speaker 1: thing is, so I played the Opery and you stand
Speaker 1: on the circle and you go, wow, this is really
Speaker 1: cool the circle because you know the history about it.
Speaker 1: And I grew up in Arkansas. So my grandma is
Speaker 1: a huge Johnny Cash fan. Anybody from Arkansas, you just
Speaker 1: automatically a door because nobody gets out of Arkansas. That's
Speaker 1: kind of the rule. So Johnny Cash from Arkansas. So
Speaker 1: my grandma and I because my grandma adopted me for
Speaker 1: a while as a kid, and so I listened to
Speaker 1: her music that Andy Griffith and Johnny Carson, even the
Speaker 1: Ray Charles and so when I played it, it it was
Speaker 1: just like I felt like I was kind of doing
Speaker 1: something she wanted me to do. But even then I
Speaker 1: felt like I really couldn't conceptualize what was really happening,
Speaker 1: Like as much as I could read about it, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was like to be like back
Speaker 1: and they listen to the people would gather around the
Speaker 1: radio and listen to stuff at the Ryman. I go
Speaker 1: to church at the Rheman like they would go to
Speaker 1: church at the Ryeman. They would stand in the circle
Speaker 1: and at the opery, we have no idea. We it
Speaker 1: feels like you're like connecting. I don't, I haven't played
Speaker 1: the opera, but it feels like you're connecting with this.
Speaker 1: Like I say, it's called like the collective unconscious of
Speaker 1: tream music. Like you're connecting into something that's like so
Speaker 1: much bigger than any song you could ever write yourself.
Speaker 1: It's like you're you're a part of this really incredible
Speaker 1: collection of ideas and thoughts and melodies, and it's so
Speaker 1: much bigger than you can understand. Like you can read
Speaker 1: all you want, learn all you want to be. I
Speaker 1: felt like, and I like to consider myself a scholar
Speaker 1: of music period, all formats, all kinds, especially country and
Speaker 1: classic rock. Um, and it's like I can read all
Speaker 1: I want, I just still don't understand as much as
Speaker 1: I can try. I feel like that's like the world
Speaker 1: with me and what happens after the world. And I
Speaker 1: can learn and try to study and read, and I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. And so what I have to
Speaker 1: realize is I don't know. So I've got to be
Speaker 1: okay with that and just realize that I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: do the best I can. Dude, I love that because
Speaker 1: I'm that's I'm very similar to that too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to you have to be okay with not knowing.
Speaker 1: You have to figure out that you just don't know.
Speaker 1: You just and so since you don't know, don't get
Speaker 1: angry with it. Understand that you don't know, and try
Speaker 1: to learn as much as you can, and you can
Speaker 1: learn everything, and there you still learn anything. It's like
Speaker 1: the old Socrates story went all the way around the
Speaker 1: world trying to find that the smartest guy in the world,
Speaker 1: and went to all the great scholars and and and
Speaker 1: price spoke to a thousand who claimed they were the
Speaker 1: smartest man in the world, and all of them were like,
Speaker 1: I'm the smartest man in the world. Here's where's wires
Speaker 1: wye And Socrates came back and he said, I found
Speaker 1: the smartest man in the world. And they said, you
Speaker 1: found the smartest man in the world. Well, what town
Speaker 1: is he and where is he goes? It's me And
Speaker 1: they were like, how is it you? He says, because
Speaker 1: I don't know crap. And that's why the smartest man
Speaker 1: of the world, because I'm the only one that gets it.
Speaker 1: I know nothing like, as much as I can learn,
Speaker 1: my capacity is not to know. I can't know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: We're on a whole different deep level here and keep going.
Speaker 1: We can keep going there. That's fun for me. So
Speaker 1: Ryan heard is here. Now We do Us was the
Speaker 1: first song that you can download it now Apple Music
Speaker 1: get you can go in it, you can stream it
Speaker 1: anyone you can have on music. And I wish you
Speaker 1: could download it because I'm telling you when I played it,
Speaker 1: people were it it would have been a download at
Speaker 1: least the top five. I can. I can just I'm
Speaker 1: not lying to you. People were going, you answered the phones, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my answer the phones. People were like, what is the song?
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, I just wish you were
Speaker 1: able to download it because it have been crazy. Here
Speaker 1: we go and I'm bad baby, and I'm bad at
Speaker 1: we do we go to get on that moviez Chief Champagne.
Speaker 1: You can and I'm bad. So that's what you do.
Speaker 1: That was the first one. And this one just came out.
Speaker 1: Depending when you're listening to this, sometimes in a month
Speaker 1: from now, someone's gonna go, hey just heard your podcast,
Speaker 1: so but um right now, Loving a Bar just came
Speaker 1: out was like to sing now he was saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: more songs to come out, and as soon as you
Speaker 1: decide whatever radio single you're going with, you let me
Speaker 1: know and you're up on the show. I told you
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you on the I'm blindly having you
Speaker 1: on the show. I don't even know what the song is.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I hope we find
Speaker 1: out soon. Whenever you decide what it is, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you just text me and go, hey, this is a song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's get you have a plan until you
Speaker 1: don't have one, So all right, whatever you never planned
Speaker 1: for people like you don't to to you know, to
Speaker 1: like it, you know what I mean. I'd never plan
Speaker 1: to see walking in the hallway and go, oh my good.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of nervous to go tell the dude I'm
Speaker 1: a fan. But my rule is that I tell my
Speaker 1: listeners and and people. If you're a fan of somebody,
Speaker 1: just go tell them. You tell them. If someone doesn't
Speaker 1: like the fact that you tell them you're a fan,
Speaker 1: and they're not worthy of of having fans, um unless
Speaker 1: they have kids or if they're eating. But other than
Speaker 1: those two things, like I was like, I have to
Speaker 1: live by my own rule, and I always wanted if
Speaker 1: you're weird of that by another man coming up going, dude,
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me. It doesn't happen very much. I'm
Speaker 1: usually the one like next to the person who like
Speaker 1: has people come up, and I get to be anonymous.
Speaker 1: So it makes you feel good when people I mean,
Speaker 1: that happens a little more now than it used to do do,
Speaker 1: but it never is annoying. Well when you when you
Speaker 1: sharpened my left butt cheek, I was like, I think, okay,
Speaker 1: Ryan heard. Uh, you're gonna put out depending on when
Speaker 1: you listen this every month something new, then we'll get
Speaker 1: a record. You're going out with Chase rise this summer. Wait,
Speaker 1: what what month to win? This is like this fall? Dude,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just every day's ground Hog Day. Ye,
Speaker 1: that too is fun, man. People are wild and I
Speaker 1: love Chase. You're out now with him? Man? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been as of now done two weekends. It's fun.
Speaker 1: The crowds are great. He's a great live performer. I
Speaker 1: really love his new single two It's I think it's cool.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Bussy wrote it. He's playing with us in November
Speaker 1: in Austin. Yeah, I think I'll I think we're flying
Speaker 1: back after. I think if you come out to that,
Speaker 1: if you happen to be in that show, and you
Speaker 1: may not, you may be flying back. He's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna come out and play with this. But um, you
Speaker 1: gotta come out there. We have we's all four thousand
Speaker 1: tickets of the Ragingidas in Austin. So you gotta come
Speaker 1: out and do something if you're there. If I'm not,
Speaker 1: of course it's not. Don't worry about it. But Ryan heard.
Speaker 1: I hope you had fun. Man. I hope it's cool
Speaker 1: for you. It's cool for me. I had a blast.
Speaker 1: I love talking. So this is that's all this is.
Speaker 1: That's that's all it is. And I hey, Jake, appreciate
Speaker 1: your buddy, Derek. She sucked for not answering. Uh. We
Speaker 1: will catch you guys next time. This episode nine Mike
Speaker 1: all right, thanks check out Ryan heard Twitter at Ryan
Speaker 1: heard it it r y A and h U R D.
Speaker 1: Thanks for our producer, Mike d stro M, I K
Speaker 1: E D E E S t r oh, I'm Bobby Bones.
Speaker 1: Episode nine. The Bobby Cast is over, thanks again to
Speaker 1: Ryan heard and our sponsor is nobody right, now but
Speaker 1: hopefully that will change that. All right, guys, have a
Speaker 1: good day, unless it's not daytime. If it's a nighttime,
Speaker 1: have a great night. By ready