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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode nine of the Bobby Cast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by no sponsor yet. But what's great

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Speaker 1: is we did get a note saying that, uh, a

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Speaker 1: major sponsor will come aboard, so we will continue to

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Speaker 1: get to do the Bobby Cast. In my house is

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Speaker 1: Ryan Heard? Writer and now artists, I say a now artists.

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Speaker 1: At one point were you were trying to be an

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Speaker 1: artist and then you you didn't you decid you were

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Speaker 1: gonna write. Now you're back again, is that right? No?

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Speaker 1: I came when I started writing songs in Nashville was

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Speaker 1: just to be a song So you came just to

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Speaker 1: be a songwriter. Well, I came here to go to college. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So here's all I do. I want to start with

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Speaker 1: today and make a full circle. So that's how we'll

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Speaker 1: do this interview. By the way, Ryan Heard is here,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that you will check out his music

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Speaker 1: because I'm a fan. I was playing him before he

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Speaker 1: even knew that I was gonna play it. We do

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Speaker 1: us is this song here I'm bad at We do

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Speaker 1: We go together like cheap Champagne and you can pull

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Speaker 1: the baby And now I think that's the jam. And

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a jam before. Ivn't knew that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you would even be in the house because

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Speaker 1: I played it and you had no idea I was

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Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get these songs ready.

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Speaker 1: And we do this thing where we mix like cool

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Speaker 1: a coolio and like some old garth and I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: we gotta throw we do us in there because that's

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Speaker 1: long as like that's the jam, and so we play

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Speaker 1: it and so you know, you have riders hours and

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Speaker 1: artist hours, so listen. I wouldn't wake up and listen

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Speaker 1: in the morning, Like, ain't no way that be happening.

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Speaker 1: So you weren't awake, I'm assuming when it played. No,

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Speaker 1: I was telling Mike. I was like, yeah, we I

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Speaker 1: listened to the show when I'm up before ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: or moving before ten o'clock. But so once a month

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Speaker 1: or so, I'm generally an early dude. But just lately

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Speaker 1: been I've just been tired. But yeah, just my phone

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Speaker 1: never had I've heard other songs I've written on the radio,

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Speaker 1: really it was the first time to hear your own

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's cool man, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: So I would have thought if my phone was erupting

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Speaker 1: some tragedy. Yeah, that was it. So you thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: something's going on. Yeah, and I don't have a radio

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Speaker 1: So but then I played it like five weeks straight

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Speaker 1: my boss and I said, and I said, hey, this

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Speaker 1: entire country format him and I maybe for thirteen years,

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Speaker 1: I don't go down very often and say like this

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Speaker 1: And I remember having a talk with him about that day.

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Speaker 1: So I just kept throwing the song in and then

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Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't a single, right, we do us

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a single, Like no, well, here's our plan.

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Speaker 1: single mentality though too, like you're doing because you know,

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Speaker 1: Like I would rather put out a song every for

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Speaker 1: like the like music becoming more of a democracy. That's

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Speaker 1: the good thing. The bad thing is you don't get paid.

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Speaker 1: the legal part of it too. There's just no rules

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Speaker 1: One of our best friends fights for songwriter's name is

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Speaker 1: now that it will fix itself. I think it has

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Speaker 1: to if you want to have professional songwriters going forward.

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Speaker 1: They cultivated absolutely right. So you put, oh, here's my

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Speaker 1: And I saw Ryan walking in the back of bridge Stone.

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Speaker 1: This is the hook of loving a Bar and so

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Speaker 1: It was that single like s She's smoking Now we

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Speaker 1: It was a sick rolling parts like s smoke. Do

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Speaker 1: Are you cool with it? Uh? If it's good? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So you wrote that one after cant your friends like, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's I wrote that with my friend Mikey Reeves and

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Speaker 1: my friend Laura Belts and Laura wrote yeah. So Laura

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Speaker 1: wrote Drunk last Night for Eli Young band and she

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Speaker 1: wrote uh, Lonely Eyes Chris Young songs. She wrote three

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Speaker 1: songs on Marion's record, and we've always been really close

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Speaker 1: just personally, and we've written a lot of songs together

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Speaker 1: But it was her title and that's her singing and

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Speaker 1: you know that everyone thinks that's Marion singing? Do they really?

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Speaker 1: Brent Anderson. Okay, so tell me about where were you

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Speaker 1: when you wrote this? Just wrote it in the writer's

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Speaker 1: room kind of like kind of like this, and we

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Speaker 1: wrote it and we were excited enough to show his

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Speaker 1: publisher Segale, which is Brad Brad Paisley's publishing company, and

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Speaker 1: we walked down and played for him and this is great,

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Speaker 1: this is great. And it wasn't originally a duet. There

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Speaker 1: was this like weird like echo part which is where

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Speaker 1: she sings now, but it was this really weird thing

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Speaker 1: that we kind of Brent definitely wrote that part and

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Speaker 1: uh we just like everything was cool about it except

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Speaker 1: for that. I'm just kidding. I wrote that part. But

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Speaker 1: there's this weird echo part. And we got to the

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Speaker 1: studio to cut the vocal and I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: this is a duet. This space maision in the studio

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Speaker 1: to switch the song to duet. Yeah, Brent and I did,

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Speaker 1: and we called our friend Sarah Hayes, who's an artist

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Speaker 1: in town and a killer songwriter. She wrote She's on

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Speaker 1: that Jennifer Nettles single right now and she wrote Carrie

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Speaker 1: song She's fantastic. But she came in and we wrote

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Speaker 1: that while she was on the way to the studio.

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Speaker 1: We had to write the lyrics for it, which is

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Speaker 1: like the really simple lyrics, and as the whole time

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Speaker 1: we're cutting this vocal, I was like, is that too simple?

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Speaker 1: Is that too simple? And it turns out it's like

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Speaker 1: the most accessible part of the song. And I'm really

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Speaker 1: glad we made it a duet. So you made it

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Speaker 1: a duet? Okay, So you guys cut the song. Did

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Speaker 1: you know where it was going first? Now? Because uh

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Speaker 1: all it got pitched to Warner over and over for

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Speaker 1: Blake Shelton. I don't know how all this stuff always happens.

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Speaker 1: It's always in the dark to me. But Rebecca Gordon

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Speaker 1: at Warner Brothers held it twice and showed Scott Hendricks,

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Speaker 1: so they held it like maybe this will be a song.

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Speaker 1: They let it go, then they held it again. They

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Speaker 1: showed his producer Scott Hendricks again. He's like, I don't

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Speaker 1: want that and then he gets empty. He gets directly

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Speaker 1: MP three the song from a publisher like you gotta

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Speaker 1: take a look at this song. If you haven't heard

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Speaker 1: it's like no Scott Hendricks again. He's like, I love this.

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Speaker 1: How have I not heard this yet? Three times? And

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Speaker 1: maybe it was just a computer he was on. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how this stuff works, you know,

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Speaker 1: having like getting a song on a record is like

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Speaker 1: getting like ten coin flips to go your way, and

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Speaker 1: then getting it on the radio is like getting ten more.

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Speaker 1: So that's the next step. Okay, So Blake says it's

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Speaker 1: no longer on because there's the step of writing it.

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Speaker 1: Then there's the step up a getting on a hole,

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Speaker 1: which means you're not on the record yet. Yeah. Holding

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Speaker 1: a song just means you can't show this to anybody

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Speaker 1: else you're not supposed to. I'm holding it. I got

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Speaker 1: so I've got DIBs until I turn it down exactly.

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Speaker 1: So at that point they had DIBs on it till

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Speaker 1: they turned it down. Sure, But then you hear a

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Speaker 1: lot of noise like we're definitely doing this. Okay, where'd

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Speaker 1: that cover? Where did you hear first? And you know

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Speaker 1: it was Blake. He was like, I'm in Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: the day that they were we knew the day they're

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Speaker 1: going back into cut and then you know, as my

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Speaker 1: friend Derek Wells plays guitar for all the Blake stuff,

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Speaker 1: plays on almost everybody's stuff, and he, uh, he was

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Speaker 1: texting me from the studio like cutting your song right now.

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Speaker 1: But you knew, So I knew it was happening, like

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Speaker 1: making a murderer. And inside you always have to have

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Speaker 1: somebody that you know, and at this point you know everybody. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's that was I mean, I've had my

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Speaker 1: song cut by a lot of people. But when you

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Speaker 1: have a name like that, that's like a that's no

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Speaker 1: matter if it's on the radio or anyone even ever

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Speaker 1: hears it. That's like you're a little piece of country

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Speaker 1: music history no matter what. So that and it gives

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Speaker 1: you so much like validation and so much credibility, and

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Speaker 1: you know you can get you can your publisher can

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Speaker 1: go out and say, like Ryan just got a Blake

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Speaker 1: Shelton cut. That's a huge deal, which gets you bigger

503
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Speaker 1: rights and better rights and more. It's currency. It's exactly

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Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, it's when you get it.

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Speaker 1: So did you know Ashley Monroe was on this song?

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Speaker 1: And at what point? Actually I knew she was gonna

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Speaker 1: be on it before because she called my publisher and

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Speaker 1: I was like, can I write with the guys that

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Speaker 1: wrote this song? So she ended up writing with me

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Speaker 1: and Aaron, who's my producer, just and she talked about

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Speaker 1: it the entire time. Who wrote a cool song that

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Speaker 1: they too? Uh, But she talked about being on the

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Speaker 1: song over and over and how how much it meant

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Speaker 1: to her because she was just putting the blade out.

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Speaker 1: She hadn't quite yet and she had. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: hard for someone who's like more of a traditional country

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Speaker 1: music person to get on the radio a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: It's just the way that it is. It always has

519
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Speaker 1: been that way in the last ten years or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So she was so excited. I don't know, I love Ashley.

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Speaker 1: I've got to know where through it. And she's just

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Speaker 1: a really gentle has like this gentle spirit that so cool,

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Speaker 1: and she's so into what she does so like cuts

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Speaker 1: great songs. She's a great writer. But yeah, so that

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Speaker 1: was I met her through that, through her hearing the song,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be on it, and then she we

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Speaker 1: got to be friends through that, so that happens. They

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Speaker 1: cut it. Now it's single time, okay, and everybody who

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Speaker 1: cuts a song on any record they want to be

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Speaker 1: the single. So where how in the world does this

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Speaker 1: song get picked? And where were you they? So they

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Speaker 1: put out Neon Light first, and uh, which is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Did you think maybe it had a chance to be

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Speaker 1: They kind of whispered at it being a single. And also,

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Speaker 1: if you see a record label a record company put

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Speaker 1: out a duet with both partners on the same label,

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Speaker 1: it means you don't have to go ask for single

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Speaker 1: rights from another label, so it's a little easier for

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Speaker 1: them to just go put it right out. So because

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Speaker 1: Blake and Ashley are on the same record label, it

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Speaker 1: was kind of like they were setting it up not

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Speaker 1: only as a single for him, but as sort of

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Speaker 1: like a launch pad heard and so we kind of

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Speaker 1: heard whispers the entire time that it would be second

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Speaker 1: And then like three weeks before Neon Light went number one,

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Speaker 1: they told us that it would be the single, and

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Speaker 1: then they told us that like two weeks later, a

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Speaker 1: week that they were dropping the single of the night

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Speaker 1: of the c m A Awards, and they were performing

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Speaker 1: it on the c m A Awards. So we were

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Speaker 1: all at a party. I remember, it was me a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of people, just friends that are writers, that

553
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Speaker 1: are that do this with me, all sitting that it

554
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Speaker 1: was tin roof across from the arena. There's a big

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Speaker 1: party that some publishers throw and we watched it happened

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Speaker 1: live on the broadcast, and then the next day it

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Speaker 1: went for ads. Surreal when you watched it. Yeah, I

558
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Speaker 1: mean i'd I'd seen one time my song on TV

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Speaker 1: before I had the Swan Brothers first single later on

560
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Speaker 1: and they played it on the voice. I like those guys,

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Speaker 1: but let's be real, that's not Blake. And actually, oh

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Speaker 1: it was the voice, so it kind of was Blake.

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Speaker 1: But no, I mean that's a that's a career highlight.

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Speaker 1: I mean always were always you're sitting in the bar

565
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Speaker 1: watching like and you know it's about to be the

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Speaker 1: single too. And I had a guy talking to me

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Speaker 1: through it the entire time. He had no idea, he

568
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: just was talking like we were having a conversation, and

569
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Speaker 1: I'm watching the TV and I'm just like, not, I

570
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: remember this. I remember him being right here. And then

571
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Speaker 1: like halfway through the solo, he's like, oh, did you

572
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: write this song? And I looked at it. I was like, yeah,

573
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, and he disappears, so then it goes

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Speaker 1: and then it it's not just a hit. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a smash. Thank you so, and no that's dad.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're welcome. But I mean people loved it,

577
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Speaker 1: and I mean it was you know, it was the

578
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: country booty call song, like it really was. But I

579
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: think it's something everybody like and people and people love

580
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Speaker 1: Blake and it was one of his and he had

581
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Speaker 1: so many number ones in a row. I'll ask you

582
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Speaker 1: this person was the pressure there was gonna be? Maybe

583
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Speaker 1: it is not first number one, even though it was

584
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Speaker 1: a great song. You didn't you didn't want to run

585
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: the streak, you know, Yeah, I thought about that. And

586
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: you don't realize how bad you want it until you're

587
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: right there and you're like, man, when you have a song.

588
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: And hopefully I'm old enough now to know, like not

589
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: to live and die by this. But you're watching it

590
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: and it gets up to three, and it gets up

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00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: to two, and I remember talking to some people at

592
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Speaker 1: Big Machine and they're like, we're going for a second

593
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: week at Thomas Rhett and I forget which one it was.

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00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: It was the Ah, I can't remember. I'm blanking on

595
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: two songs. I usually don't do that, but I remember

596
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: being there, like, I can't believe they're going for a

597
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: second week on this. No one ever does that. Nobody

598
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: does it. It's always cleared and they're not fighting someone

599
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: for a number one spot, right, and and so I

600
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: just remember being like, how can you do that? This

601
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: is my first one? Like like Scott boys Shadow would

602
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: like that's goes into his thinking. It's like Ryan really

603
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: wants the number one. So but I remember watching it,

604
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: and I remember they told me, like, we'll know what

605
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: twelve sitting at too. He's at one. And you can

606
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: kind of watch the media base. You can watch the

607
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: charts in real time on the internet. In five minutes.

608
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: I can watch them. Yeah, And so you watch it

609
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, I think we're gonna get it. I

610
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get it. And then like the radio

611
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: people call and they're like, we're calling this number one,

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00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: we're calling this number one, and we'll know officially at midnight.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting there at midnight like cool, we'll

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00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: no officially at midnight. And at midnight comes and I

615
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Speaker 1: call my publisher and he doesn't pick up, and I

616
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: call my other publisher and they don't pick up, and

617
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: I call everybody and they're like, oh, yeah, we don't

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Speaker 1: know until like five am. Just wake up in the morning,

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Speaker 1: we'll tell you coast. Yeah. So I was like I

620
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: kind of was like losing my mind a little bit.

621
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Speaker 1: It was crazy. And but you know, when you wake

622
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Speaker 1: up and you do have a number one song, and

623
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Speaker 1: so you and you go, but like you move here

624
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: to get that's what you do, is you move here

625
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: to have to be a hit songwriter and to have

626
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: number one songs. And you know, I've been fortunate to

627
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: have like everything that you could possibly have happened to

628
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: you as a songwriter already happened to me. Like I've

629
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: had songs get old and let go. I've had songs,

630
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Speaker 1: I've had songs get cut by great artists. I've had

631
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: songs get on the radio and Diet fifty three. I've

632
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: had songs get a top twenty, top fifteen, top ten,

633
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: and then I have want to actually ring the bell

634
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: is a miracle all it is. It's very cool. That's cool. Yeah,

635
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: it's cool that he had to wait now it's cold,

636
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: he had to wait like right then. Yeah, it makes

637
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: you want another wing you know, and it's a better

638
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: story and it makes you appreciate it. That's awesome, man,

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Speaker 1: I love that. Thanks, so I knew you've written that one.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the first time. Like I talked

641
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: about friends, Dirks is a friend of mine. If I

642
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: needed cash or a ride from six hours while, he

643
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: would drive and pick me up and I would do

644
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: the same for him. Like he's that good of a dude.

645
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: We're both low awkward, so we worked well together. So um,

646
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, I want to send you Black

647
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: the album, and it's probably three months or so before

648
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: it was out, and he's like, give me your honest feedback.

649
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, if you say that, I'm going

650
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: to because it's better to be honest than it is

651
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: to be nice, because you know, with honesty you can

652
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: always just trust with you if if I say something bad,

653
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm not bad for something like that's not positive about something,

654
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: you can trust that when I say something good, I

655
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: mean it. In my opinion isn't always right, and I

656
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: always say that to like, an opinion is just what

657
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: it is. And with things in the creative world, if

658
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: anyone says their opinion is right, then They're absolutely wrong.

659
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: There is no universal right in anything creative. So I said, sure,

660
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: send me black Love to hear it. Let's see what happens.

661
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: He sends me right, D this I'll be the Moon song.

662
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: Best song on the record, like does it? Like I

663
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: know it will be the first single because it's uh

664
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: to do it. But this is the best song on

665
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: the record. But and I started thinking, like, whoever this song?

666
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Where in the world is it? Because I wonder where

667
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: people's minds are when they write songs like this, um

668
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: and so this is a U. This is so I

669
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: wrote I'll be the Moon. Uh, man, this song, this

670
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: is the best song I think I've ever written. Would

671
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: you say that? You would say that? Yeah? I mean,

672
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just the one's I don't know, man,

673
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: I can talk about it for a day. That's why

674
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to say one thing about it. Like, uh,

675
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I just first of all, this song we wrote in

676
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: like less than an hour. I wrote it with Heather

677
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: Morgan and Matt drags drum like great throws out things

678
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: she says songs, and I'm like, I would she says

679
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: things in her songs that has I watched comedians. I would,

680
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I just thinking that I just couldn't

681
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: say that, you know, things like that. Yeah, And so

682
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm in the middle of I'm always

683
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: thinking about like why we do this? Like wow, when

684
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: we wake up in the morning, I'm like, is this

685
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be? Is this like what I'm

686
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing? If it's writing songs, are cutting whatever,

687
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. And this song was like you have

688
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: to write nine songs to get to this one, if

689
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And I sat down and Heather was

690
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: late because she was doing traffic school on the internet. Yeah,

691
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: and uh, Matt just sits down. He had that shuffle

692
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: beat thing like like that I can't beat box, but

693
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: it's like the sixth eight time thing. And I just

694
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: started playing this acoustic guitar. He's got this really cool

695
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: like ringy acoustic like Gibson acoustic guitar, and his in

696
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: his office. And Matt and I went to school together

697
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: and we've been to Mexico to write songs and we're

698
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: really close. And uh, I just started playing this finger

699
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: picky thing and that's not usually what I do. And

700
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: I just remember, that's that idea popped. That title popped

701
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: in my head and it was like I'll be the moon.

702
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know where it came from. People say

703
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: like they fall out of the sky, and that was

704
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: a moment where it did. So as you wrote this,

705
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you having a story of you being

706
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: the other dude, or you being the dude with another

707
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: dude or I don't know, man, no it's not I think, yeah,

708
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: and that's there's a lot of music that I've written

709
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: it is so dark. I think there's a difference between

710
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: real songs and true songs, like it might not be

711
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: all the way true, but it also is so real.

712
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: And that's a story that people have, and it's a

713
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: story that I don't know. It's like the thing where

714
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: you want what you can't have, and that's a really

715
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: difficult thing. And man, a lot of that stuff is

716
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: just I mean, like loving a bar and all this

717
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: other stuff like yeah, that's my life, like like that's

718
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: how Mary and I got to know each other. We've

719
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: known each other for three years writing songs, but you know,

720
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: like we you know, when we're starting to see each other.

721
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: It was like it was in a bar and it

722
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: was I know, the bar and oh yeah, that was

723
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: a that was a pretty that's a pretty true story.

724
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: Word for word. It that I heard the first time

725
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: I heard I'll be the Moon, like I don't again,

726
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: like you said, I don't know that feeling, but there

727
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: are certain songs that go deeper than just like the

728
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: epidermis of the same and it's just like, oh, man,

729
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: like it's a dude, and he's like, I know that

730
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: I can't be your main one, but I love you

731
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: so much that i'll be. I'm okay with being your

732
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: second one because I have that much for you, and

733
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: I hurt for him and I don't even know who

734
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: he is. It's like I'll take everything that you can

735
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: give me, even if it's not everything. And I just remember,

736
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: like Heather are shaping the second verse and it's it's

737
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's like when she has to leave the

738
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: bar and it's like phone lights up in the dark,

739
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: gotta go, I know, but it's still ain't easy. And

740
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: that's when I wrote it. It It wasn't a duet. That

741
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: was definitely not a duet, and I cut it for

742
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: my record and then you know, if it wasn't Dirk Spentley,

743
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: it wouldn't come out on anybody else. It just I

744
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: didn't have a deal at the time for the song

745
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: right for Heather and Matt's sake too, especially, It's like

746
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: you cannot turn down Dirk s Bentley, and I don't

747
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: think there's an artist artistically that I would have wanted

748
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: to do that song other than him, just because that'll

749
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: be such incredible, man. I hope so if it's not

750
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: who I mean, and I say this for me is

751
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: not my money, but people are people that that is

752
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: probably the most powerful song on that record, and I

753
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: hope he finds some sort of like awesomeness inside of that.

754
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: Oh I do, And I hope. I don't sound like

755
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm like upset about that. I'm thrilled we were. That's

756
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: a that's my I texted Dirks about it. I was like, dude,

757
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: this is gonna get a lot of love album wise,

758
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: like and he is. He's nominated Album of the Year

759
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: for CMAS. But do you wish you would have kept it?

760
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't feel like that. I don't feel

761
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: like I wish it was different. I feel like it's

762
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the story. So I cut it for

763
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: my record. I put out a five song EP in town.

764
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: I never put it on the internet. I put it

765
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: out as a fourth song EP because Dirk's recorded it,

766
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: and when I record are recording, I'm not I'm not

767
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: trying to sound at all. It's great, literally, I know,

768
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: I just it's it's so hard because you talk about

769
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: it's a it's a. It's literally the best recording of

770
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: that Aaron and I've ever made, and we love it

771
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: so much. And Marion sings on that one too. She

772
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: sang on my whole thing on the original. Yes, so

773
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: she's singing on the original master that I don't think

774
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: Dirk's a Ross ever heard. They heard the demo of it.

775
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: We're Heather singing on it, which is its own, it's

776
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: its own thing. It's it's beautiful, it's so cool. But

777
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: our version that we cut was like this thing that

778
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: was so has so many swells, and Marion singing on

779
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: it with me, And then when Dirk's cut it, and

780
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: then I remember Marion had just started getting she got

781
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: to deal with Sony and she's getting moving and everything

782
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: is happening for her and she's getting a lot of

783
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: really great attention, and all of a sudden we were

784
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: sitting at a bar in February Melrose on Eighth Avenue

785
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: and we had a beer and both of us had

786
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: like a dark day. I don't remember what it was,

787
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: but we were sitting there and we were talking and

788
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: she had a beer and I had a beer, and

789
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: her phone was in between us. And this is kind

790
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: of funny too, but it it's up and it's just

791
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: a number that she doesn't know, and it it says, Hey, Marion,

792
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: this is Dirk Spentley. I got your number from Corn

793
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: cap Shaw all all of your managers because I have

794
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: this song that i'd love for you to consider singing

795
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: with me as a duet. It's on my new record.

796
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: Would you mind if I said no? She didn't know.

797
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: She had no idea that it was already like you

798
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: and her, she'd already sang it. He had no idea

799
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: that she knew the song, or that she her and

800
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: I had started seeing each other, and we're sitting there

801
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: and she we looked at each other. It was like

802
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: right in between us is obviously I read it. And

803
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: uh so she looks at me and she goes, I

804
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: bet that's your song, and I was like, I bet

805
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: that is my song? And two seconds later, an email

806
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: comes up and it's just says it says Dirk Spentley

807
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: at the top and just says, I'll be the moon.

808
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: Crazy dude, universe. Dude, that's the universe. And so she like,

809
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, she gets asked every day to do

810
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but that's the first person that asked

811
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: her to do I think the first person that asked

812
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: her to do something, and she immediately was like, of

813
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: course I'll do it. She turned me down to do

814
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: Ony record. She was one of the only she turned

815
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: me and I was cool with the two, but she

816
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: turned me down sounds like, um oh, because I'm a

817
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: huge fan, Like I was like, Maridolyn do whatever. The

818
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: only people that turned it down with my ex girlfriend

819
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: and that was her personal reasons, and Carrie Underwood filled

820
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: her spot. And then Marion turned me down for a

821
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: song and I'm still that was, yeah, I'm still sure

822
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: you'll have your chance. I'm a huge I'm gonna call

823
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: Dark by the way, let's see if he even answers,

824
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: because that was that's such a cool story, myself, phone out.

825
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: Let's see the darks answers here. Um, let's know that

826
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: we got it. Hey, maybe with the kids hate calling

827
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: this late? Doesn't he number one right now? Yeah? Girls,

828
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: he's probably probably telling them that's ways he thinks you're calling.

829
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: But that's crazy that you were with her when you

830
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: get the Texas and hey, Marina, you should sing this

831
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: song and those songs she already knew and it was her, dude,

832
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: and she'd already sung the Master with me the first time.

833
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: It's you know, the cool part is that, like we've

834
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: her and I have made music together for the last

835
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: two years. We were friends. We had other people that week.

836
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: You guys were way friends before you did it. Like

837
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: you guys, we're songwriters and just and we wrote. You

838
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: have cuts with other people together. And she's got have

839
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: a song on her record and she has one on

840
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: my song on her record. I wish I was, Oh dude,

841
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: that's a jam. Yeah, And it's the first song that

842
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: she held as an artist. We wrote it, which is

843
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: to me, I don't know, I love being a part

844
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: of it. Let me ask you about that song because

845
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: watch in my head, illsto actually driving back down here.

846
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: So that song to me, I wish I was because

847
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a huge mari and fan too. Yeah,

848
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: of course okay um and so I wish I was.

849
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: It was like a song about someone who wishes they

850
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: could be with the other person wants them to be,

851
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: but they can't. Yeah, it's like I wish that I

852
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: could still love you, but I can't, and I kind

853
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: of feel bad about the fact that I can't still

854
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: love you, but I just can't do exactly. I relate

855
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: to that song because I've had some I've had that

856
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: awesome girl. That's one of those songs that I like.

857
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: A few songs speak to me, am I life seven right,

858
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: songs really speak to me. John Mayer stopped this train

859
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: speaks to me. You know, there are songs. Walker Hayes

860
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: has a new song called The Comedian. Yeah, that sounds

861
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: so good talking about Walker forever. Walker is like my

862
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean again, you like your girlfriend does. It's oh dude,

863
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: but your girlfriend does. Yeah, that's my that's one right.

864
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: I was trying to Damn. I was trying to write

865
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: that song like two weeks ago. I was like, man,

866
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: I was like, we should get This is a terrible idea.

867
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: And I told mar and she's like, that's the stupidest idea.

868
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: It's like we should get uh t shirts that say

869
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: your girlfriend loves we do us and that's a terrible idea.

870
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: But like the next week he came out with that

871
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: that song, which is perfect exactly. I could never grace

872
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: project both the EPs, and you know, I played them

873
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: on the air and I'm like, you, guys, this is

874
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: the next level. Okay, every program director can be mad

875
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: at me for playing it, but you know I started

876
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: out with where my Shade Dead? That was part of

877
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: the first track, and then now you know, Break the

878
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Internet fits in well with a lot of the stuff

879
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: that we do. But the comedians about and again I

880
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: talked about songs that speak to me. And the thing

881
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: of the song is, you know, the people that make

882
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: people laugh the most usually the most sad inside. And

883
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: I fought that for a lot of my life. I

884
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: fought being the guy that really tries to entertain because

885
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: I have a lot of insecurities and a lot of

886
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: sadness um inside, and so I try to be that.

887
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: When you wrote that song, and I text him immediately

888
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, like I almost cried because

889
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: of a song that I heard. I've never this Like

890
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: you spoke to me and you had no idea that

891
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: you were speaking to me by writing a song at

892
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Walker Hays was next level. It's brilliant. That's not not

893
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: a word you should throw around too much, but it's brilliant.

894
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: It's and and people don't even realize it yet, and

895
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: then the year people will be like, why didn't not?

896
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: Why do we not get on this Walker Hayst thing?

897
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: And so um that song speaks to me in the

898
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: back of the one I would the song that you

899
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: That song speaks to me because I'm such a jackass

900
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: and I say it, I've had had the ask girlfriends

901
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm a polo crap. I don't treat them

902
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: like crap. I really try to treat humans the best

903
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: that I can treat them. But there's become a point

904
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: with my past girlfriends where I just know I wasn't

905
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: good enough for them, and then I couldn't give them

906
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: what they needed as far as love because I'm broken.

907
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: I know I'm broken. I gotta find I've got to

908
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: fix myself, and so I wish that I could have

909
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: given them what they deserved. And that song, like you

910
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: know you wrote that song. That's crazy because now I'm

911
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: like like my therapist right now, I hear that song

912
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, god, dude, that that's just me talking

913
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: to like my last three or four girlfriends that were

914
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: so great. So as you write that song, like, what

915
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: are you guys talking about as it's coming together? I mean,

916
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: I think we're both going through breakup. So she was

917
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: definitely and uh, it was the last song we wrote.

918
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and the hook is I'm not the one,

919
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: but I wish. I was like, I'm not your person anymore.

920
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: I wish I could be, but I just can't. Uh.

921
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: And you know that we wrote with Natalie Hemby and

922
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: just that Marion does that soul thing so well that

923
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: just that sixties oh this sound apparently listen to some

924
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: live South By South with Spotify session. All right, go ahead,

925
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: keep going. Uh yeah, it's she's so good at that

926
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: sixties and the seventies like motown thing, and that's just

927
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: kind of where it started. And she had just kind

928
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: of decided, like I'm tired of people telling me like

929
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: that they can't sing my song, like they're like I

930
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: love this, I just can't physically sing it. That that

931
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: happened to her a lot, and she was like, I

932
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: just I want to start playing again. I wanted. I

933
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be just a writer, and that was

934
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: a cool moment for her and a cool moment for

935
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: me to watch happened. And we were just a creative

936
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: partnership at that point. And then I don't know. This

937
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: one was the first song. It's so good. This is

938
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: the first song that she held as an artist, which

939
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: means for ever, I know I'm breaking your heart, so

940
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: sitting what you want to, I'm not gonna stop you.

941
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: You can blame it all on me. I got to

942
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: sing the harmonism. I'm got the hero and the staring.

943
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm not the girl that gets the glove because I

944
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: can't up and I'm not, but I wish, but I wish.

945
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: It's such a weird relationship just in the song because

946
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: she's the villain, but she's actually the good guy at

947
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: the same time. Yeah, she can't give it to you. Sorry,

948
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be honest about it. And I wish

949
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: I was me, but it's not. Yeah, and it's the

950
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: title of the record too, I mean her records hero

951
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: and she's I don't know. She describes it is really cool.

952
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not the hero in this story, but

953
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: I am the hero in mine, And it's just really

954
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: like self empowering thought to to to like know yourself

955
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: enough to say, like, I can't be with you anymore.

956
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: You have to be like your own be she talks

957
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: about all the time, like be your own hero. I

958
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: can't be yours. I'm sorry. It's it's I'm really proud

959
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: of that song. I'm proud to be on that record.

960
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: It's obviously got a lot of attention and a lot

961
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: of you know, critical acclaim and nominations and stuff like that,

962
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: and that's like me as a writer, like, man, I'm on,

963
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: I think four or five number one records this year.

964
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: I never thought that would happen. And I'm on, you know,

965
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: two of the five ce may nominated records of the

966
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: year with like relatively like get the record. Yeah, I'm

967
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: on Maron's record record, and then the other three I'm

968
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: not on, and so you should be. I'm talk with

969
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: them for the next year. So I want to play

970
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: a couple. All the tricks come on, So I need

971
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: to cut Rascal flats payback, could pay back to help me?

972
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: Your was this the same as Lonely Tonight? So two

973
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, I don't know, man, they're running together. Did

974
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: they come to you and say, hey, we're holding it

975
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: quick and it's gonna be the radical flats. It was

976
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: a drug out song. Oh, they drug it out for

977
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: like well, I don't want to say it like that.

978
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: They held it at the beginning of the process for

979
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: their record and a year later you can call it

980
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: whatever you want, mom, and they they it came out

981
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: a little different than what we had originally done, but

982
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean just to be tracked one and that was

983
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Aaron and I wrote that song together with Neil Mason

984
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: from the Cadillac Three, who's the drummer and uh Man.

985
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: That song made us, Like sometimes songs just because they

986
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: don't go all the way to number one doesn't mean

987
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: they didn't do a whole lot for like for me,

988
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: that song made us like music Row famous, Like every

989
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: publisher and every songwriter knew that song on Music Row

990
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: because the demo was cool and it was like something

991
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: people hadn't heard before. And I don't know, I'm really

992
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: proud of this. I played this live up until like

993
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: this summer. Yeah, all right, that Tim McGraw. This is

994
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: called Last Turn Home. Yeah. I wrote this with Maren

995
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: and uh This her first cut ever, And is that right?

996
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: This is her first cut. This is the one you

997
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: as Tim cut her cut her first song. I cut

998
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: this song from my record, so like we were really

999
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: hoping it would go on the radio, and you hear

1000
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: whispers here and there, and that happens all the time.

1001
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: You're like, this will be a single. It will be

1002
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just not a single. Miller tells me. He goes,

1003
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: if they started saying it's a single real early, it

1004
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a thing. That's that's a hard thing,

1005
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: but that's like what you sign up for. I actually

1006
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: hadn't listened to this version a long time. Well let's listen.

1007
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cool things. This harmony yea one

1008
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: place I cut this on my record actually, and uh, hell,

1009
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean this one just really from the time moment

1010
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: we got it back, we were all just so excited

1011
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: it about it and at the time you're like, man,

1012
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: I really want you to put this on the radio.

1013
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: And then it seems to be like the biggest blessing

1014
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: that it never actually did, because it's I don't know,

1015
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: we'll talk about I'll be the Moon being like the

1016
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: best song maybe I've ever written that co written with

1017
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: those guys, but this one is my favorite song I've

1018
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: ever written, just what it says. And like you know

1019
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: when you like really connect on an idea and you

1020
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: write songs you know about it, like when you but

1021
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: I have this idea and then you're just like, I

1022
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: think it's that feeling about like you know, like you

1023
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: don't live at in your hometown anymore. I don't live

1024
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: in my hometown anymore, but I just know the feeling

1025
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: of what I get to forty two Street now, like

1026
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: in Michigan, and I take that right and you're like,

1027
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm home, and like that feeling is

1028
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: very similar to a feeling you find in a person,

1029
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: and I it's like a weight is lifted off your

1030
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: shoulders on the same like when I fly home and

1031
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: I landed at the airport. It's just like it's like

1032
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: this weird release of oxygen, this weird weight that comes

1033
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: off where this comfortability comes over you. And sometimes it's

1034
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: not fun to be home, but it's feel comfortable to

1035
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: be home. And it's a person too. That's the thing

1036
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: about it. Is like that when you can take a

1037
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: feeling and you can put it on the end of

1038
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: your finger, and you can be like you feel like this,

1039
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: and somebody hears it and they internalize that that's what

1040
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: this is all about, and that's what music is about.

1041
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: We can run songs up the radio and get mad

1042
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: over and over about like I wish I deserve this,

1043
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: or I wish that this had happened to me. I

1044
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: wish this song had been a single, or this had

1045
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: been on the radio, or I wish I could get

1046
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: a record deal or a published man. At the end

1047
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: of the day, it's just music and if the only

1048
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: thing that matters. It doesn't matter if it's a party

1049
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: song or or a ballot or this kind of love song.

1050
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: The only thing that matters with music is doesn't make

1051
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: you feel something. And I think when you absolutely nail

1052
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: it that that's payment enough that you don't need anything else. Well,

1053
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: you gotta pay the bills, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm good.

1054
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: But when you do get you don't do this for

1055
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: the money. I don't do this for money. You do

1056
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: it because this is we wouldn't do it. There's no

1057
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: money in it when you start forever and that's why.

1058
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I got kicked out of college one

1059
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: time for speaking, I got banned from the university because

1060
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: I went into the university and I just like to

1061
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: be honest all the time, and it gets me in

1062
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: trouble a lot. And so I went to the university

1063
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: and they're pit three hundred kids there, and they said, hey,

1064
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: come speak to them about doing radio television. And I said, um, okay,

1065
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: I said, hey, so, um, I'm Bobby. I do it.

1066
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: At the time, I was living in Austin. I built

1067
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: my own syndication company, UM from with my own money,

1068
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: from scratch, and it was in the hole for a

1069
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: long time. And I knew what I wanted to do.

1070
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: But I also knew that if you weren't absolutely set

1071
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: and dedicated with your entire life to doing it making

1072
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: no money, that it wasn't for you. And I was

1073
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 1: happy with my heart with doing what I was doing

1074
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: my whole life, struggling one. I grew up poor. It

1075
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: was easy to me to be poor. It's easier to

1076
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: be poor if you know how to be poor. But

1077
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: I knew if I was poured the rest of my

1078
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 1: life doing what I loved, I wasn't poor. Like maybe

1079
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't have so much money, but I wasn't poor

1080
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: in my heart. I wasn't poor. I wasn't. I was fulfilled.

1081
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: And I told him that. I said, if I were

1082
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: you and you're studying radio right now, get out stop

1083
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: because the noise in the study. Go do it. Go

1084
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: in turn, go get your foot in the door somewhere,

1085
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: study something else given, But you're wasting based in the

1086
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: letters that I'm never invited back to the college I was.

1087
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: I was banned from the school for for four years.

1088
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: Maybe model I didn't know. No, I did not fit

1089
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: the business model. I'm pretty good speaker, but I did not,

1090
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: so I was banned from the school. Um. But you're

1091
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: right there. If you're doing it to pay the bills,

1092
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: don't do it. If you find something you love. This

1093
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: is what I heard and I felt, and I've grown

1094
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: into you. You find something you love, you work harder

1095
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: at it. You work harder at it, you get better

1096
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: at it. You get better at it, you'll start to

1097
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: read those rewards that you didn't really plan on getting

1098
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: at the beginning, but they just kind of come with

1099
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: sticking with it, loving and improving and taking coaching and

1100
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: surrounding yourself with better people. Very few people I know,

1101
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: they're just so good to walk out and go, I'll

1102
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: take it all right, it's all mine. It's always the

1103
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: iceberg of there's so many nose and awful things and

1104
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: you suck and anger and jealousy and the very tip

1105
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: of it's like, oh, you made it overnight success. And

1106
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: it's like, man, if you had any idea that of

1107
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: everybody I know listening to you here, like people may

1108
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: just know us, and we're gonna get back to your

1109
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: new the new Ryan Herd stuff in a second. They're like, oh,

1110
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: there's this new guy named Ryan Herd that just bopped

1111
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: in the Nashville scene. I got news for you. You've

1112
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: been around your busting his butt for a long time.

1113
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the theme when people come

1114
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: in and we talk. That's like, man, you just kill

1115
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: it and kill and kill it, and you're okay with

1116
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: killing yourself over it because you love it. And then

1117
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: when it hits your like, it's amazing. I get to

1118
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: do what I love and I've gotta get to pay

1119
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: a car payment because of what I love. Here is

1120
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: the Swan Brothers later on, Yeah, this is the first

1121
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: time we ever had go on the radio that I did.

1122
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: It grew with Joey Hide justin Wilson and they plays

1123
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: on TV this one. Yeah, and we had a party

1124
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: and it was so fun. I'm a voice. Why this

1125
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: one gets on the charts? Remember, like back Door Levin Like, yeah,

1126
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: it's staffed it for a long time. It was, I'm

1127
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: not it was awesome later it's a good dude too

1128
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: good right there? Right? And one more cut. This is

1129
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Jaco and sure Fire Feelings my first cut. This is it. Yeah,

1130
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: And Jake's really always been such a great dude to

1131
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: me and we're kind of buddies now. I went surfing

1132
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: on his boat a couple of times over Labor Day

1133
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I've always been He's always taking

1134
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: me out to write. And this is Steve Mokler, Oh yeah,

1135
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: and Matt McGain Steve's wife Gracie is best friends of

1136
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: Amy and my co host. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a

1137
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: small world, right, it's small town. And so sure if

1138
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: I feeling this is your first one, we ever say, hey,

1139
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: this is going on a record. Yeah, it was happened

1140
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: quick to like I signed a universal and kind of

1141
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: this song came in and I didn't think anything of it,

1142
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: and like, I think this is like three or four

1143
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: months into my deal and you know that that getting

1144
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: that it went on his EP summary repeat and then

1145
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: on his days of Gold record Who's All Sides? You

1146
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: know that's a huge to get that big of a

1147
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: cut right out of the gate, I mean, and that

1148
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: relationship has been amazing. Jake's always I think Jake's a

1149
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: fantastic artist. I love the songs he's chosen. I love,

1150
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: always have loved his production and just he's always been

1151
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: He sent me left me a message recently and just like,

1152
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: hey man, I'm really proud of you for putting we

1153
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: do us out. I'm jamming it right now. I don't know,

1154
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: just a little stuff like that, like you don't have

1155
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: to do that, And that means a lot to me.

1156
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: He's always just supported me in a huge way. Jake

1157
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: was like the first guy new here for for many reasons.

1158
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: Mutual friends. Let's see if you'll answer. We'll called Jake

1159
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: and see if he'll get his take. Hey, I'm with

1160
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: Ryan heard right now we're doing an interview at my house. Uh,

1161
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: and we're talking about you do you have anything you want?

1162
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: By the way, is Jay go on here on on

1163
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: this show? Um, we're talking about his first ever cut

1164
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: Surefire Feeling, which you cut and he said he's been

1165
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: surfing on your boat. I just kind of wondering your

1166
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: thoughts to our listeners here, just in general about this

1167
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: dude Ryan heard. Ah. Well, first off, man, I'm glad

1168
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: you called um. And secondly, uh, I love Ryan, you

1169
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: know that? And um, I think you know obviously like

1170
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: you said, that song' Surefire Feeling that he wrote that

1171
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: was on the Endless Summer EP that I did. I

1172
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: just the minute I heard that song, I loved it.

1173
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: And then obviously one of the reasons I think all

1174
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: artists sometimes love songs when they hear them, is you

1175
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: hear the guys singing it that wrote it. And uh,

1176
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: Ryan just got such a cool, unique voice. Um, I

1177
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: couldn't understand why, you know the person was singing at

1178
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: that time, why that guy wasn't you know, on the radio.

1179
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: But soon enough everybody's canna hear Mr Ryan heard on

1180
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: the radio. And uh, and I'm happy for I couldn't

1181
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: be happy for the guy. Well, appreciate how you good? Yeah,

1182
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: I actually tell you one on vacation. Yeah yeah, Oh dude,

1183
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: it was awesome because Rigez was amazing. But I'm not

1184
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: here in l a. I gotta git me Kimmel tomorrow night.

1185
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: So I gotta dude, come on you. I shouldn't say

1186
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: that I'm lucky to do that is what I'm saying. Yeah,

1187
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: you get a crowd for that one too, right, Yeah,

1188
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: you must be pretty. You must be a pretty special, right.

1189
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I never got the invite every Bobby's House

1190
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: for the for the Bobby's House radio show. I think

1191
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: maybe you're just too busy for I got nothing going

1192
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: on you you got a record stuff? Dude. I love

1193
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: to you know, we just saw each other. I'll tell

1194
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: you what. When you get home, let me know you

1195
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: come over to the Bobby Cast. Alright, alright, talk to you. Jake. So,

1196
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: Jake is really good friends with so one of my

1197
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: best friends and like literal best friends. Like do you

1198
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: know you have your your top achillant friends. Uh is

1199
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: Andy Roddick and so as he plays tennis, and okay,

1200
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: of course, so Andy rot to grew up and play

1201
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: tennis under the guy, and they grew up together, and

1202
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: Jake was in his wedding and so Andy was like,

1203
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: hey moved Nashville. You got another Jake and so him

1204
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: and he called Jake and Jake was totally cool and

1205
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: like before I knew anybody. Jake was like, dude, come on,

1206
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: let's go. I'll show some places of around I know

1207
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: much Jake. I was like, all right, there's the long

1208
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: errands only around nag Bro. He's the same way with me,

1209
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: just like, hey, you want to come write some songs

1210
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: on my bus? Like yeah, yeah, and I've been on

1211
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: a bus like once or twice before, but yeah, just

1212
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: his bus, not his crew bus, not his band bus,

1213
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: his bus. It was awesome. And then Jay got really drunk,

1214
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: wanted a bar and I'm listening I come to the

1215
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: Dallas was like, hey, how's your bob? Jake like bib on.

1216
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: So I was like that guy and I was like, Jake,

1217
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: what are you talking trash for? So we didn't talk

1218
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: for like a month, but now we're like best buzz again.

1219
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: It's like friends. You can get into a fight. That's

1220
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: how you know you get a friend when you can

1221
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: get to a fight and then not and then be

1222
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: over with again. I was like, dude, what I guess

1223
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: that sucks. I was drunk, dude, my bad like that,

1224
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Like I feel for him on that one. I was

1225
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: a way I was way drunk. Are you like the

1226
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: universe as a place for you kind of guy? I

1227
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: don't know about that. Yeah, probably, I don't know. I

1228
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: could get pretty fluffy on you about stuff that I believe,

1229
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: but man, I think that the Yeah, there's something about

1230
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: being exactly where you're supposed to be, something about being

1231
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: like I don't know, there's hard days where you're just like, man,

1232
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: what am I doing in Iowa again? I've played Iowa

1233
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: five times this year, and you're just like, man, this

1234
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: is exactly where I'm supposed to be. And it just

1235
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: gives you this calming feeling about it, Like especially with

1236
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: like relationships and you know, music and art, It's like, man,

1237
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: this is exactly where I'm supposed to be. And so yeah,

1238
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: I guess I am. Can you find it annoying that

1239
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: I texture? No, not at all, because because sometimes like,

1240
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: oh I'm annoying him because I'm like I don't wan't

1241
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: bother him. But I'm like, I got to start this

1242
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: feeling right now. I want to drind this feeling. I did.

1243
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: I see that article the other day too, because we talked.

1244
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: When we talked, I talked to that on my last

1245
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: really with Chip Ester from Nashville. I was like, got

1246
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: the article by John because and he didn't quit it,

1247
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, what was that he talked about? His

1248
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: mom said leave, but not not to leave. He was

1249
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: in Lead, New York. He said his mom made him.

1250
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: He said, you know, if you his mom said she

1251
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: would never tell him to quit his dream, but he

1252
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: had to promise if he didn't have anything going on

1253
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: in two years that he would do something else because

1254
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: she wanted to. She said, I'm not going to be

1255
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: the one who's gonna tell you to stop your dream.

1256
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: You need to be the one to know when to stop.

1257
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: But I love that article because it made me feel

1258
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: like I related to it where he's like, man, I

1259
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: live a lottery ticket life, and I feel like that

1260
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: like getting to do creative work for a living. I

1261
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: don't have another job anymore. This is it getting to

1262
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: make music in Nashville, Tennessee. That's a lottery ticket life.

1263
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't care if you make two thousand dollars a

1264
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: month on your drawer, if you make if you just

1265
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: sold your catalog for four million bucks, Like that's a

1266
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: special thing. That's what like I think about people who

1267
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: make just billionaires who wish that they were musicians, you

1268
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, it's crazy to me. To

1269
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: make it in Nashville is almost like making it as

1270
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: a first basement of the Yankees or a supermodel. It's

1271
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: that people. It looks easy because there either there are

1272
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: a few of them out there, but this town is

1273
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: littered with excellence. It's weird, it's um so yeah, it's

1274
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: just what. People come into town and they just walk

1275
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: down through Broadway and like, wow, this guy can really sing,

1276
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: Like yeah, are nothing Like I get just in the

1277
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: studio and the greatest get to come through and I

1278
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: get to watch them three feet from me, and I'm

1279
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: just like blown away. And at times you get jaded

1280
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: by stuff, and I get jaded, and we all get

1281
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: jaded if we're around a while. But then Garth comes

1282
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: in and resets to you and then you know, and

1283
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: even with Marion you know which by the way, I

1284
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna bring up shoot your girlfriend like I was.

1285
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't talk about that at all, but you brought

1286
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: it up. So even with her, I was like, the

1287
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: first time I heard was her EP, I was I

1288
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, Like there's just something about this

1289
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: that's not like anything else, and so I remember having

1290
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: her in before she had a song on radio, and

1291
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I know, did you think this

1292
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: is weird? But would you come on the show? And

1293
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: now it's just been awesome to see her pop. What

1294
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: would she say about you as a songwriter? What would

1295
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: you say about me a songwriter? I don't know, I

1296
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: have you don't know. I can call her please don't really, Uh,

1297
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. As a writer, we I'm really good

1298
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: at like letting her role and like no one when

1299
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: she's on something, so like when we're writing together, like

1300
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm as a songwriter, I like to take the steering

1301
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: wheel and I'm like, I have never written for other people.

1302
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: And that's a weird thing about being a professional songwriters,

1303
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: Like I always wrote for myself. Threw it all up

1304
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: against the wall and said, if anybody wants to record these,

1305
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: have at it, which is sort of like I should

1306
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: have been an artist a long time ago. Maybe if

1307
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: that's if I've only written in that way. But I

1308
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: love watching like as a songwriter, especially with Marion. You know,

1309
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: she hears on demos and stuff and she tells me

1310
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: which one she loves, and she would say, you don't

1311
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: like one of them. I sent one the other day

1312
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: and she goes, that's cool, not my favorite out of all.

1313
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what she said. It was like the

1314
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: k of the text message. Okay, but she listens to

1315
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: it all and she's really she's seriously my heat, my

1316
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: biggest fan musically, I think because just we've always had

1317
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: like a really close creative partnership. But I'm really good

1318
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: at letting her run with stuff and like no one

1319
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: when she's in the head space that she's like doing

1320
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: brilliant stuff. So with her opening for Stableton at the Rhyman, Dude,

1321
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: that's stage. That's a that's a moment right there, isn't it?

1322
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: Just to be able to be on that stage and

1323
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: to sing a song we sang Last Turn Home, So

1324
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: that's yeah. She that was really cool. I was cool

1325
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: for her asking me to do that. It's weird. I'm

1326
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: gonna say this too, but yeah, I played the Rhyman

1327
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. It's crazy sheet this feeling. I only

1328
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: did one song and you just get this feeling like

1329
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: I the whole show out but no, no, it's like yes,

1330
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: it's like have you played the opera yet? No? Okay,

1331
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: you will like no down Navy Jason, like, you will

1332
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: play the opera um and people say this, And the

1333
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: thing is, so I played the Opery and you stand

1334
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: on the circle and you go, wow, this is really

1335
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: cool the circle because you know the history about it.

1336
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: And I grew up in Arkansas. So my grandma is

1337
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: a huge Johnny Cash fan. Anybody from Arkansas, you just

1338
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: automatically a door because nobody gets out of Arkansas. That's

1339
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: kind of the rule. So Johnny Cash from Arkansas. So

1340
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: my grandma and I because my grandma adopted me for

1341
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: a while as a kid, and so I listened to

1342
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: her music that Andy Griffith and Johnny Carson, even the

1343
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: Ray Charles and so when I played it, it it was

1344
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: just like I felt like I was kind of doing

1345
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: something she wanted me to do. But even then I

1346
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: felt like I really couldn't conceptualize what was really happening,

1347
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: Like as much as I could read about it, I

1348
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: don't know what it was like to be like back

1349
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: and they listen to the people would gather around the

1350
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: radio and listen to stuff at the Ryman. I go

1351
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: to church at the Rheman like they would go to

1352
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: church at the Ryeman. They would stand in the circle

1353
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: and at the opery, we have no idea. We it

1354
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: feels like you're like connecting. I don't, I haven't played

1355
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: the opera, but it feels like you're connecting with this.

1356
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: Like I say, it's called like the collective unconscious of

1357
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: tream music. Like you're connecting into something that's like so

1358
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: much bigger than any song you could ever write yourself.

1359
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: It's like you're you're a part of this really incredible

1360
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: collection of ideas and thoughts and melodies, and it's so

1361
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: much bigger than you can understand. Like you can read

1362
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: all you want, learn all you want to be. I

1363
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: felt like, and I like to consider myself a scholar

1364
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: of music period, all formats, all kinds, especially country and

1365
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: classic rock. Um, and it's like I can read all

1366
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: I want, I just still don't understand as much as

1367
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: I can try. I feel like that's like the world

1368
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: with me and what happens after the world. And I

1369
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: can learn and try to study and read, and I

1370
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: just I don't know. And so what I have to

1371
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: realize is I don't know. So I've got to be

1372
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: okay with that and just realize that I'm just gonna

1373
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: do the best I can. Dude, I love that because

1374
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm that's I'm very similar to that too. I mean,

1375
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: you have to you have to be okay with not knowing.

1376
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: You have to figure out that you just don't know.

1377
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: You just and so since you don't know, don't get

1378
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: angry with it. Understand that you don't know, and try

1379
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: to learn as much as you can, and you can

1380
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: learn everything, and there you still learn anything. It's like

1381
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: the old Socrates story went all the way around the

1382
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: world trying to find that the smartest guy in the world,

1383
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: and went to all the great scholars and and and

1384
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: price spoke to a thousand who claimed they were the

1385
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: smartest man in the world, and all of them were like,

1386
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm the smartest man in the world. Here's where's wires

1387
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: wye And Socrates came back and he said, I found

1388
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: the smartest man in the world. And they said, you

1389
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: found the smartest man in the world. Well, what town

1390
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: is he and where is he goes? It's me And

1391
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: they were like, how is it you? He says, because

1392
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't know crap. And that's why the smartest man

1393
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: of the world, because I'm the only one that gets it.

1394
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: I know nothing like, as much as I can learn,

1395
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: my capacity is not to know. I can't know. Anyway,

1396
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: We're on a whole different deep level here and keep going.

1397
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: We can keep going there. That's fun for me. So

1398
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: Ryan heard is here. Now We do Us was the

1399
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: first song that you can download it now Apple Music

1400
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: get you can go in it, you can stream it

1401
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: anyone you can have on music. And I wish you

1402
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: could download it because I'm telling you when I played it,

1403
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: people were it it would have been a download at

1404
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: least the top five. I can. I can just I'm

1405
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: not lying to you. People were going, you answered the phones, Yeah,

1406
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: my answer the phones. People were like, what is the song?

1407
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, I just wish you were

1408
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: able to download it because it have been crazy. Here

1409
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: we go and I'm bad baby, and I'm bad at

1410
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: we do we go to get on that moviez Chief Champagne.

1411
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: You can and I'm bad. So that's what you do.

1412
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: That was the first one. And this one just came out.

1413
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: Depending when you're listening to this, sometimes in a month

1414
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: from now, someone's gonna go, hey just heard your podcast,

1415
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: so but um right now, Loving a Bar just came

1416
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: out was like to sing now he was saying, Yeah,

1417
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: more songs to come out, and as soon as you

1418
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: decide whatever radio single you're going with, you let me

1419
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: know and you're up on the show. I told you

1420
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you on the I'm blindly having you

1421
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: on the show. I don't even know what the song is.

1422
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I hope we find

1423
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: out soon. Whenever you decide what it is, I appreciate

1424
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: you just text me and go, hey, this is a song. Yeah,

1425
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean, let's get you have a plan until you

1426
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: don't have one, So all right, whatever you never planned

1427
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: for people like you don't to to you know, to

1428
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: like it, you know what I mean. I'd never plan

1429
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: to see walking in the hallway and go, oh my good.

1430
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm kind of nervous to go tell the dude I'm

1431
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: a fan. But my rule is that I tell my

1432
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: listeners and and people. If you're a fan of somebody,

1433
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: just go tell them. You tell them. If someone doesn't

1434
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: like the fact that you tell them you're a fan,

1435
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: and they're not worthy of of having fans, um unless

1436
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: they have kids or if they're eating. But other than

1437
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: those two things, like I was like, I have to

1438
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: live by my own rule, and I always wanted if

1439
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: you're weird of that by another man coming up going, dude,

1440
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me. It doesn't happen very much. I'm

1441
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: usually the one like next to the person who like

1442
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: has people come up, and I get to be anonymous.

1443
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: So it makes you feel good when people I mean,

1444
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: that happens a little more now than it used to do do,

1445
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: but it never is annoying. Well when you when you

1446
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: sharpened my left butt cheek, I was like, I think, okay,

1447
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: Ryan heard. Uh, you're gonna put out depending on when

1448
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: you listen this every month something new, then we'll get

1449
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: a record. You're going out with Chase rise this summer. Wait,

1450
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: what what month to win? This is like this fall? Dude,

1451
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just every day's ground Hog Day. Ye,

1452
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: that too is fun, man. People are wild and I

1453
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: love Chase. You're out now with him? Man? Yeah, Yeah,

1454
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: we've been as of now done two weekends. It's fun.

1455
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: The crowds are great. He's a great live performer. I

1456
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: really love his new single two It's I think it's cool.

1457
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: Jeremy Bussy wrote it. He's playing with us in November

1458
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: in Austin. Yeah, I think I'll I think we're flying

1459
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: back after. I think if you come out to that,

1460
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: if you happen to be in that show, and you

1461
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: may not, you may be flying back. He's gonna he's

1462
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: gonna come out and play with this. But um, you

1463
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: gotta come out there. We have we's all four thousand

1464
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: tickets of the Ragingidas in Austin. So you gotta come

1465
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: out and do something if you're there. If I'm not,

1466
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: of course it's not. Don't worry about it. But Ryan heard.

1467
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: I hope you had fun. Man. I hope it's cool

1468
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: for you. It's cool for me. I had a blast.

1469
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: I love talking. So this is that's all this is.

1470
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: That's that's all it is. And I hey, Jake, appreciate

1471
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Speaker 1: your buddy, Derek. She sucked for not answering. Uh. We

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Speaker 1: will catch you guys next time. This episode nine Mike

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Speaker 1: all right, thanks check out Ryan heard Twitter at Ryan

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Speaker 1: heard it it r y A and h U R D.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for our producer, Mike d stro M, I K

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Speaker 1: E D E E S t r oh, I'm Bobby Bones.

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Speaker 1: Episode nine. The Bobby Cast is over, thanks again to

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Speaker 1: Ryan heard and our sponsor is nobody right, now but

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Speaker 1: hopefully that will change that. All right, guys, have a

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Speaker 1: good day, unless it's not daytime. If it's a nighttime,

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Speaker 1: have a great night. By ready