WEBVTT - Everyone That Showed Up Got Held Up 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.720 My father had invested everything he had made from hustling, 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.600 numbers and everything into this party because that was his dream. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.280 Everything was at state and to lose it like that 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:16.200 and one night that was just like devastating because people 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.840 thought he was responsible. Everybody thought my dad set that 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:24.000 party up. You're having a party two or three days 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.840 in a row. On that last day, the robberts could 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.800 have been at the previous parties the nights before. And 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.960 the fellow came into video what you were, and he 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.760 took the lord of cocaine. And that's where you who 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:41.479 you are. Some of the richest me into discut some 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.800 of the toughest being in this guys not hesitate to 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:49.040 throw your head off, you know, because you stepped on 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.920 the shoes from my Heart radio and doghouse pictures. This 0:00:54.040 --> 0:01:04.920 is fight Night. I'm Jeff Keating. As we mentioned in 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:10.120 episode five, we believe Richard Wheeler was the mastermind of 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:14.080 the heist. Wheeler had flown back to New York as 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:18.240 an alibi, but his top enforcer, a man named fast 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.880 Eddie Parker, had his crew masked, armed and ready to 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.559 hit the after party. I tracked down the house where 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.640 the robbery occurred and the current owner, Chicken Man's nephew, 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:41.319 invited me in. So we're standing here with the robbery 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:46.000 took place almost fifty years ago. It's just unbelievable to 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.600 be at the spot where this all took place. After 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:54.760 doing so many years of research. I'm imagining where the 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.440 robbers would have been stationed as all of the partygoers 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.760 were coming up to the house, How they would have 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.120 been communicating on their walkie talkies, How they would have 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.520 been basically figuring out how to stay hidden while crowds 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.720 of people were coming up to the house. It's a 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.480 cul de sac. There's no way out. My name is 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.760 James Martin. I'm the owner of the house, also the 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:20.320 nephew of Chicken Man, Gordon Williams. So somewhere down on 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:27.000 Handy Drive, I'm guessing maybe a football field or less. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.240 You've got a car parked with one or two of 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.959 the robbers inside on walkie talkies, and they're basically communicating 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.519 to one or two of the gentlemen at the front 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.040 door of your house, letting them know that more cars 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.560 and partygoers are coming up and preparing to come in. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.120 So they've got to look out Somewhere down there telling 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.840 them what's about to happen as they enter the house. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.840 We also think that there's somebody parked on Old No 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.320 on the other side of this that is letting that 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.720 lookout car No that cars are about to turn as well. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.560 But I'm really imagining what's going on in the house 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:20.519 right now, so I'm just inside the door where the 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.480 robbery took place. Fast. Eddie Parker would have been one 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.800 of the gunmen at the front door, holding a three 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.120 fifty seven with a silencer. The other gunmen would have 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.840 been McKinley Rogers holding a sawed off shotgun. William Knox 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.880 is the first person that greets the party goers. We 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:43.440 found out, and as soon as William let's in these 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.800 three guys, a party is over and things are about 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:52.920 to change. This is from one of my interviews with 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.920 Chicken Man, as he reflected on that night. Barbara was 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.760 getting ready in her bedroom when one of the masked 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.160 gunmen came in while she was taking a blow of cocaine. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:10.120 This is the moment the robbery really began. The robbers 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:15.960 came and planned themselves early in the house. Lived in 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.560 the house. Yeah, she had some cocaine arobbit and she 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.240 told me that she was in the making up in 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.760 her bedroom and the fellow came into bed room where 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.600 she were, and he took the blow of the cocaine 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:33.280 and that's what he explaining her who you were, So 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:38.160 they kept her there under under gone, the after party 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.760 never gets going because the robbers came in during the 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.680 time while everybody was leaving the Muhammad Ali fight and 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:50.360 got set up before they arrived. James and I concluded 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:55.240 how they entered Barbara's bedroom At some point there is 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.200 one of the robbers that comes into the room, either 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:03.520 through this front door leading into the bedroom or through 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.760 the Jack and Jill bathroom, sneaking in this way, and 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.560 as she's dressing, he basically pulls out a gun and 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.159 lets her know that the robbery is on. And sense 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.560 to me is that if you're having a party two 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.000 or three days in a row, on that last day, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.280 the robbers could have been at the previous parties the 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:28.560 nights before they were. They absolutely were casing the place out. Meanwhile, 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:34.359 after Ali's victory, Chicken Man left the municipal auditorium and 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.480 headed to the Regency Hotel. He was so excited from 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.720 the victory he wasn't even thinking about what was going 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:46.920 down at his house. I go find it. Fight to 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.000 the regions so I see Frank all the people I 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:57.440 had Frank Frank Morden ring with the number. Chicken Man 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.800 is speaking about Frank Molten, one of the key characters 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.719 in our story. Frank started out running numbers in Atlanta 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.760 in the nineteen fifties and sixties and eventually moved to 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.200 New York. There he worked his way up and became 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:17.000 a major drug dealer and distributor. Frank was known as 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.359 the Black Godfather and supposedly one of the leaders of 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.039 the Council of Twelve. This was a group of high 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:29.960 level decision makers for black organized crime. The Council of 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:35.360 Twelve was known to be responsible for drug dealing, prostitution, racketeering, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.919 and other illegal activities around the country. We found out 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.120 that Frank Molten would eventually be indicted and charged with 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.080 twenty five years to life for participating in a narcotics 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.400 ring that had sold over two hundred million dollars worth 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:56.320 of cocaine and heroin. Frank was a serious gangster, but 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.680 he was also Chicken Man's friend, and Frank was the 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.480 one who went to Fireball and told him to ask 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.839 Chicken Man to host the after party in Atlanta. Here's 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.160 Chicken Man telling j D where he went after the fight. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.400 I ain't ated the reading to for why. Talking to 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.120 JB as a fish, he said, I might come out there, 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:17.960 but he didn't really want to be where the gowls 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.200 was because he was in the gownlin. I remember, Sen, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:26.160 you re bro back down when you back nine and 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.880 came in and the people impressed and everybody, well, I 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:39.720 was there, yeah, I remember seeing you. Now, at about 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:44.400 one am, Chicken Man and Fireball leave the Regency, heading 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.400 to the house where the robbery was already in full effect. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.920 Chicken Man is so hyped up from the celebration he's 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.400 not even thinking about why Barbara Smith never showed up 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.840 at the fight. They've never done on mean, why she 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.720 didn't come, But God didn't matter that the fact was 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.600 over nine. He's on the way home. So I tell 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.680 a friend of Man don DNSA, the death's something to go. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.520 I go in good time. I go. I had no idea. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:25.560 I mean, they everything was up in there, back where 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.520 the robbery took place. I continued my tour with James Martin. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.400 That's Chicken man's nephew and the current owner of the house. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.120 It was looking like a place where you were gonna 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.720 go gamble. In part. The curtains were drawn, but there's 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:45.480 music blaring from inside of the house and specifically the 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.000 front room they had lights going, and that behind the 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.199 curtains they had people dancing and partying. So even it 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.839 looked like with the shadows and movement, like people were 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.640 celebrating inside. So as you're walking towards the house, you 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.320 feel like you're walking into a celebration. And people are 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.920 walking up this stone walkway with grass on either side 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.720 of it to the front door, probably drunk, probably high, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.800 and definitely completely excited and full of celebration after the 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.520 Muhammad Ali fight, and many of them carrying stacks of 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:26.720 cash and covered in jewelry. I'm thinking that the first 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:32.640 thing your experiences is shock that you are celebrating about 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.880 ten to twenty minutes earlier, and now you've got a 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.280 shotgun or a three fifty seven with a silencer to 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.640 your head. I'm thinking that you're scared. I'm thinking that 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:49.400 you're trying to figure out what happened. Here's an interview 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.840 between J. D. Hudson and Chicken Man That was recorded 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:57.000 several years after the heist. Chicken Man is explaining what 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:01.719 happened when he first arrived out at the house. I'm 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.720 linking them to the park. But when I do show up, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.040 I mean the causes lying all around the play, you understand. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.839 I mean, I said, what do you people gonna think 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.839 we have up in here? I had a special way 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.319 I would come to that and this house handing to 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.520 be where it waters. It was. It was you had 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.880 to know where you were going. Yeah, to go down. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.120 There's no way you could have him up to get 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:28.199 to go down and train and then train and then side. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.679 And when I came in that second drive as a 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.319 Cadillac park ground, I don't know who's Kadak World? And 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.959 I looked at my period cor to Lightning Place, New York. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.640 Actually play the causes lying all around the place, you understand. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.439 I mean, I said, what do you people gonna think 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.640 we have up in here? All these cars, the Roles, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:52.320 Rows and Andrasine, and I don't know who's Kodak World. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.880 I come to find out it was them, the robberts. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.680 I fired to get me a little place on the corner, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:12.319 and I found about running out the way. They was 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.280 doing the edge and it was the fake set up 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.200 in the little room, and they had the music loud. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.199 And when I came to the door, by me having 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.160 the key, everybody else knocked on the door where I can't. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.000 So the guy said, you must be the house man. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.280 Chicken Man came in the house jiggling his keys with 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.240 fireball right behind him. The robbers thought, oh, he must 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.920 be the house man. He's got the keys to the house. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.920 Here's what Chicken Man walked in on. When I came in, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.839 the robbery was in pri so he got a shotgun 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:51.520 and he said it ain't nothing but a robber. And 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.400 that reading he said it was number the robbery because 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.280 it wasn't the police. You know that, because the robber 0:11:58.400 --> 0:11:59.920 could take the runy and go with it to put 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:18.080 at least dad. We're gonna end back. The robbers announced 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.439 the Chicken Man, the house man, this ain't nothing but 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:26.439 a robbery. Chicken Man interprets this that losing their cash 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.160 and jewelry isn't as bad as going to jail, which 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.400 is what would have happened if the cops showed up. 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:37.199 Our research shows that Chicken Man and every partygoer who 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.840 stepped into the house had a three fifty seven magnum 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.719 pushed up against their head by fast Eddie Parker, or, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.840 as was the case with Fireball, had assault off shotgun 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:54.000 pressed against their back by McKinley Rogers. Tobe, the guest 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.880 of honor, and a few partygoers were used as decoys 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.360 in the front room of the house. Just imagine the 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.599 extended horror on their faces as they were forced to 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.280 fake party with the gunmen in the room for the 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.679 past few hours. The tension in this scene must have 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.880 been overwhelming. The gunmen had to manage every new guest 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.400 as they walk through the door, and then forced them 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.200 through the front room and the kitchen to the basement stairs. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.240 Here I am with James in the house at the 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.240 top of the staircase. So just to be clear, is 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.760 this always been the way that is down to the basement. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.719 These stairs are the original corponness. You've always had to 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.160 come through the kitchen and gone down into the basement. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.800 So if we're talking a tight squeeze getting through this 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:49.319 little thing, you got someone behind you. Oh my goodness, out, 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.520 oh my goodness, and look at look at how why 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.520 I mean you're talking. You can't even get two people 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.600 necessarily side by side on this thing. Oh my goodness, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.959 here's Chicken Man telling J. D. Hudson what it was 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.280 like being forced down into the basement. Will they take 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:12.400 me downstre behind me? So so they hit him when 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.520 they're coming in. They was a full basement in the house. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.000 So they took the people's down the steps into the 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.320 basement and they were making to lay down, and men 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.880 undressed so they could sist the pockets in that kind 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.320 of thing. They were talking on the walker, talking, talking 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.680 to the people in the car on the outside. Every 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.520 time they see a car car, so they would follow 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.040 him up and when they get out of coming to 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.520 the house, they would tell the people in the house, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:57.320 how many people are coming to approaching. We know that 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.480 this basement would have been decorated like a casino in Vegas, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.040 and Chicken Man wanted this to look just like Vegas. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.000 So the craps tables could have been over here. You 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.520 could have had a blackjack table that was over here. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.800 You could have had another card table over here. There 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.920 was supposedly a bar that was set up in this 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.840 area right here, with maybe seven or eight bar stools 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.080 for the ladies to say that. I mean it literally 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.720 was supposed to look like a casino. Oh wow, okay, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.320 it's hard to imagine that. Now this would have been 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:29.160 like decked out to the nines. Here's j D asking 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:35.840 Chicken Man if he remembers a woman being involved. They 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.440 had to be about six of them and a level 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:43.120 was there. Remember he has them he goes quick. Yeah. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.840 They said some of them had on high and they 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.680 kept on getting ars quick and she was taking she 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.480 had put in in the in the uh good looking. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.320 Some of the victims claimed they did hear high heels 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.840 clicking on the basement floor, and so that gave them 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.120 the idea that there may have been a woman involved 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.880 in the robbery. Plus, one of the women who reported 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.280 the robbery said she saw a thin female hand reaching 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.120 towards one of the garbage cans where she had thrown 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.600 her diamond necklace to try to hide it, and so 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.880 that only increased their suspicions that a female was involved. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:29.400 That female robber may have been Lillian Dabney, and she 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.680 could have been assisted by Bookie Brown. We think he 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.880 was forcing people down into the basement with the help 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:41.200 of James Henry Hall, Charles Lee was probably in the 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:46.040 house somewhere as well, and maybe even Houston Hammond's. All 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.920 of these names will continue to come up when j 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.600 D begins his investigation into the robbery. Let's go back 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.120 to the house where I explained to James what happened 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:02.640 to his uncle. So, James, your uncle Gordon. Chicken Man 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.639 comes in as the robbery is in full effect. Okay, 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.480 Chicken Man walks in the door. He's got a shotgun 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.240 that greets him in the face. They escorted him down here, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.480 they strip him out of his clothes. Supposedly, they robbed 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.640 him of nine d seventy one dollars plus some jewelry. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.800 But what was interesting about Chicken Man is underneath his 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.280 suit and stuff that he had for the Muhammad Ali fight, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.600 he had on long underwear. Now it's October and it 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.639 may be kind of cold, but everybody else supposedly had 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.520 kind of like skimpy underwear of just normal under Wherever 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.119 a few of the hustlers who saw Chicken Man in 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.040 his long underwear thought that he was prepared to be 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:46.119 stripped and that meant he was implicated. But Chicken Man 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.680 felt he was a victim, just like everyone else here 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.920 he is remembering one woman named Gladys who did not 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:57.040 want to give up her ring the same thing. Well, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.320 you can hear him. It was briefing that they were smoking, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.440 and you bet him. I know the man glad from 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.560 New York and she said, you want to range, Yeah, 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.199 I want a big rain. You gotta get that right, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:16.000 which one said, Zach cut that they wouldn't drive. Here's 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.480 how j D described it to me back in two 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.840 thousand and two when we had our first interview together 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.520 the Robins the preseason in math. They bought masks and 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.240 saw a shot and stuff, and they pre seeded the bag. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.720 When they got bad, they gleeded, okay. And as each 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.280 one came into a bad say, they run dressed for 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:41.280 women and men that jury and many let's say, big shoes. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.840 They didn't take any means. And those out of gatto 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:51.520 shoes they didn't take any They took cash and you okay, right, um, okay. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.359 So I'm still trying to get this in my heade. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.600 If people were down in the basements, you know, some 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.000 of them are already there. Some of them were pulling 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.640 up in there's roll or their big cars or their 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.200 limousine and they can't tell anything that is going on 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.960 as far as the robbery. There's no screaming going on, 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.320 there's no gunshots going on. They don't know what's going on. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.960 I got shopped us. You know, we have guys who 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.120 told us they went into the house of ten fifteen 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.080 twenty thirty thousands in the pockets. A lot of people 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:28.760 would we in that house. And that was when fifteen 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.560 thousand novel is a lot of many, like having one 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.520 point five million the US today, that's kind of many 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.399 of those guys carried That was a hustler who always 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.879 had three bodyguards. Anytime you went into a building to 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.520 went inside with him. Once they within where it was 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.160 on a building, oven stayed near the door, another one 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.880 stayed outside in the car, never got out the car. 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:57.800 And he was the last guy that came in. James, 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.000 and I imagine what happened to Frank Mo, the Black 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:05.919 Godfather and his bodyguards when they walked into shotguns pointed 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.920 at their faces. A man they would have known Tobe, 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.800 we found out was the honored birthday guest, and he 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.240 was sitting with a ghastly look on his face, greeting 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.240 the guests as they walked through the front door. James 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.159 then asked me an important question. Were they able to 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.080 get the guns from them as they were coming through 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.199 the door. They did get the guns from them. As 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:30.920 soon as they walked in the door. One of the 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:35.800 guys supposedly not Frank's bodyguard on the back of the 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.639 head or his back and basically pushed him down these stairs. 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.760 As soon as you walk off the stairs here, you 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:47.680 are probably forced into one corner of this basement. You've 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.360 got one of those guns, either either a sawed off 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.760 shotgun or a three seven with a silencer to your head. 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:58.080 You are forced to undress down to your underwear. I'm 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.800 imagining as a one when you're completely embarrassed and pissed 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.119 and scared of what these men with guns might do 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:14.520 to you outside of making you undress. Listen to how J. D. 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:18.360 Hudson described these gangsters like Frank Moten to Chicken Man 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.640 when I interviewed them on camera for the first time 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.679 ever in two thousand and three. Some of the richest 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.840 men in this guy, some of the toughest men in 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.359 this country. Guys who were not hesitate to blow your 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.680 head off, you know, because you stepped on that shoot, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.840 you're gonna take that money. And that was not impart 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.440 of for them. What was the part of They made 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:47.960 those goddess beautiful men with the meat coats and all 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:52.359 the doubt be undressed down to their panics. Now that 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:58.680 was then, so I can't protect my woman day. This 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.159 is what it's crazy change. You have some of the 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.879 biggest gangsters in the country, from Philadelphia, from d C, 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.960 from Chicago, from New York. Some of them are killers. 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.080 If they're not, they are tough hustlers from the streets. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.520 They all are packing heat and not a shot was 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.280 fired that night, James, I still cannot figure that out. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.560 That to me is the most shocking part of this 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.560 whole robbery. Now, I understand when you've got guns pointed 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.639 to your head and when you've got sawed off shotguns 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.639 at your back, that you know that if you make 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.879 a move you could be killed. But there's so many 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.680 of these gangsters that are being robbed. I just don't 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:40.280 know how they don't pull off some type of retaliation 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.440 during this whole thing. So with all this, I'm assuming 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.960 that Chicken Man had been thinking, okay with everyone becoming 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:48.119 from me at some point unless I've definitely proved that 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.240 I had nothing to do with this, because they would 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:51.359 think that he would have something to do with them 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.200 with him being the owner of the home and having 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:59.399 online Johns. 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