1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: My father had invested everything he had made from hustling, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: numbers and everything into this party because that was his dream. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Everything was at state and to lose it like that 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: and one night that was just like devastating because people 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: thought he was responsible. Everybody thought my dad set that 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: party up. You're having a party two or three days 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: in a row. On that last day, the robberts could 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: have been at the previous parties the nights before. And 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: the fellow came into video what you were, and he 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: took the lord of cocaine. And that's where you who 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: you are. Some of the richest me into discut some 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: of the toughest being in this guys not hesitate to 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: throw your head off, you know, because you stepped on 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: the shoes from my Heart radio and doghouse pictures. This 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: is fight Night. I'm Jeff Keating. As we mentioned in 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: episode five, we believe Richard Wheeler was the mastermind of 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: the heist. Wheeler had flown back to New York as 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: an alibi, but his top enforcer, a man named fast 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: Eddie Parker, had his crew masked, armed and ready to 20 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: hit the after party. I tracked down the house where 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: the robbery occurred and the current owner, Chicken Man's nephew, 22 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: invited me in. So we're standing here with the robbery 23 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: took place almost fifty years ago. It's just unbelievable to 24 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: be at the spot where this all took place. After 25 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: doing so many years of research. I'm imagining where the 26 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: robbers would have been stationed as all of the partygoers 27 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: were coming up to the house, How they would have 28 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: been communicating on their walkie talkies, How they would have 29 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: been basically figuring out how to stay hidden while crowds 30 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: of people were coming up to the house. It's a 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: cul de sac. There's no way out. My name is 32 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: James Martin. I'm the owner of the house, also the 33 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: nephew of Chicken Man, Gordon Williams. So somewhere down on 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: Handy Drive, I'm guessing maybe a football field or less. 35 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: You've got a car parked with one or two of 36 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: the robbers inside on walkie talkies, and they're basically communicating 37 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: to one or two of the gentlemen at the front 38 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: door of your house, letting them know that more cars 39 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: and partygoers are coming up and preparing to come in. 40 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: So they've got to look out Somewhere down there telling 41 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: them what's about to happen as they enter the house. 42 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: We also think that there's somebody parked on Old No 43 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: on the other side of this that is letting that 44 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: lookout car No that cars are about to turn as well. 45 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: But I'm really imagining what's going on in the house 46 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: right now, so I'm just inside the door where the 47 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: robbery took place. Fast. Eddie Parker would have been one 48 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: of the gunmen at the front door, holding a three 49 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: fifty seven with a silencer. The other gunmen would have 50 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: been McKinley Rogers holding a sawed off shotgun. William Knox 51 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: is the first person that greets the party goers. We 52 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: found out, and as soon as William let's in these 53 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: three guys, a party is over and things are about 54 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: to change. This is from one of my interviews with 55 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: Chicken Man, as he reflected on that night. Barbara was 56 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: getting ready in her bedroom when one of the masked 57 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: gunmen came in while she was taking a blow of cocaine. 58 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: This is the moment the robbery really began. The robbers 59 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: came and planned themselves early in the house. Lived in 60 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, she had some cocaine arobbit and she 61 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: told me that she was in the making up in 62 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: her bedroom and the fellow came into bed room where 63 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: she were, and he took the blow of the cocaine 64 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: and that's what he explaining her who you were, So 65 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: they kept her there under under gone, the after party 66 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: never gets going because the robbers came in during the 67 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: time while everybody was leaving the Muhammad Ali fight and 68 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: got set up before they arrived. James and I concluded 69 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: how they entered Barbara's bedroom At some point there is 70 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: one of the robbers that comes into the room, either 71 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: through this front door leading into the bedroom or through 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: the Jack and Jill bathroom, sneaking in this way, and 73 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: as she's dressing, he basically pulls out a gun and 74 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: lets her know that the robbery is on. And sense 75 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: to me is that if you're having a party two 76 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: or three days in a row, on that last day, 77 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: the robbers could have been at the previous parties the 78 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: nights before they were. They absolutely were casing the place out. Meanwhile, 79 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: after Ali's victory, Chicken Man left the municipal auditorium and 80 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: headed to the Regency Hotel. He was so excited from 81 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: the victory he wasn't even thinking about what was going 82 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: down at his house. I go find it. Fight to 83 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: the regions so I see Frank all the people I 84 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: had Frank Frank Morden ring with the number. Chicken Man 85 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: is speaking about Frank Molten, one of the key characters 86 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: in our story. Frank started out running numbers in Atlanta 87 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties and sixties and eventually moved to 88 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: New York. There he worked his way up and became 89 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: a major drug dealer and distributor. Frank was known as 90 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: the Black Godfather and supposedly one of the leaders of 91 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: the Council of Twelve. This was a group of high 92 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: level decision makers for black organized crime. The Council of 93 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: Twelve was known to be responsible for drug dealing, prostitution, racketeering, 94 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: and other illegal activities around the country. We found out 95 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: that Frank Molten would eventually be indicted and charged with 96 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: twenty five years to life for participating in a narcotics 97 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: ring that had sold over two hundred million dollars worth 98 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: of cocaine and heroin. Frank was a serious gangster, but 99 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: he was also Chicken Man's friend, and Frank was the 100 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: one who went to Fireball and told him to ask 101 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: Chicken Man to host the after party in Atlanta. Here's 102 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: Chicken Man telling j D where he went after the fight. 103 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: I ain't ated the reading to for why. Talking to 104 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: JB as a fish, he said, I might come out there, 105 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: but he didn't really want to be where the gowls 106 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: was because he was in the gownlin. I remember, Sen, 107 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: you re bro back down when you back nine and 108 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: came in and the people impressed and everybody, well, I 109 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: was there, yeah, I remember seeing you. Now, at about 110 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: one am, Chicken Man and Fireball leave the Regency, heading 111 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: to the house where the robbery was already in full effect. 112 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Chicken Man is so hyped up from the celebration he's 113 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: not even thinking about why Barbara Smith never showed up 114 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: at the fight. They've never done on mean, why she 115 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: didn't come, But God didn't matter that the fact was 116 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: over nine. He's on the way home. So I tell 117 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: a friend of Man don DNSA, the death's something to go. 118 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: I go in good time. I go. I had no idea. 119 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they everything was up in there, back where 120 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: the robbery took place. I continued my tour with James Martin. 121 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: That's Chicken man's nephew and the current owner of the house. 122 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: It was looking like a place where you were gonna 123 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: go gamble. In part. The curtains were drawn, but there's 124 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: music blaring from inside of the house and specifically the 125 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: front room they had lights going, and that behind the 126 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: curtains they had people dancing and partying. So even it 127 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: looked like with the shadows and movement, like people were 128 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: celebrating inside. So as you're walking towards the house, you 129 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: feel like you're walking into a celebration. And people are 130 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: walking up this stone walkway with grass on either side 131 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: of it to the front door, probably drunk, probably high, 132 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: and definitely completely excited and full of celebration after the 133 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali fight, and many of them carrying stacks of 134 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: cash and covered in jewelry. I'm thinking that the first 135 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: thing your experiences is shock that you are celebrating about 136 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: ten to twenty minutes earlier, and now you've got a 137 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: shotgun or a three fifty seven with a silencer to 138 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: your head. I'm thinking that you're scared. I'm thinking that 139 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out what happened. Here's an interview 140 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: between J. D. Hudson and Chicken Man That was recorded 141 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: several years after the heist. Chicken Man is explaining what 142 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: happened when he first arrived out at the house. I'm 143 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: linking them to the park. But when I do show up, 144 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean the causes lying all around the play, you understand. 145 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I said, what do you people gonna think 146 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: we have up in here? I had a special way 147 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: I would come to that and this house handing to 148 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: be where it waters. It was. It was you had 149 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: to know where you were going. Yeah, to go down. 150 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: There's no way you could have him up to get 151 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: to go down and train and then train and then side. 152 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: And when I came in that second drive as a 153 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: Cadillac park ground, I don't know who's Kadak World? And 154 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: I looked at my period cor to Lightning Place, New York. 155 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: Actually play the causes lying all around the place, you understand. 156 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I said, what do you people gonna think 157 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: we have up in here? All these cars, the Roles, 158 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: Rows and Andrasine, and I don't know who's Kodak World. 159 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: I come to find out it was them, the robberts. 160 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: I fired to get me a little place on the corner, 161 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: and I found about running out the way. They was 162 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: doing the edge and it was the fake set up 163 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: in the little room, and they had the music loud. 164 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: And when I came to the door, by me having 165 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: the key, everybody else knocked on the door where I can't. 166 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: So the guy said, you must be the house man. 167 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: Chicken Man came in the house jiggling his keys with 168 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: fireball right behind him. The robbers thought, oh, he must 169 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: be the house man. He's got the keys to the house. 170 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: Here's what Chicken Man walked in on. When I came in, 171 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: the robbery was in pri so he got a shotgun 172 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: and he said it ain't nothing but a robber. And 173 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: that reading he said it was number the robbery because 174 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't the police. You know that, because the robber 175 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: could take the runy and go with it to put 176 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: at least dad. We're gonna end back. The robbers announced 177 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: the Chicken Man, the house man, this ain't nothing but 178 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: a robbery. Chicken Man interprets this that losing their cash 179 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: and jewelry isn't as bad as going to jail, which 180 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: is what would have happened if the cops showed up. 181 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: Our research shows that Chicken Man and every partygoer who 182 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: stepped into the house had a three fifty seven magnum 183 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: pushed up against their head by fast Eddie Parker, or, 184 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: as was the case with Fireball, had assault off shotgun 185 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: pressed against their back by McKinley Rogers. Tobe, the guest 186 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: of honor, and a few partygoers were used as decoys 187 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: in the front room of the house. Just imagine the 188 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 1: extended horror on their faces as they were forced to 189 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: fake party with the gunmen in the room for the 190 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: past few hours. The tension in this scene must have 191 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: been overwhelming. The gunmen had to manage every new guest 192 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: as they walk through the door, and then forced them 193 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: through the front room and the kitchen to the basement stairs. 194 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: Here I am with James in the house at the 195 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: top of the staircase. So just to be clear, is 196 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: this always been the way that is down to the basement. 197 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: These stairs are the original corponness. You've always had to 198 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: come through the kitchen and gone down into the basement. 199 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: So if we're talking a tight squeeze getting through this 200 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: little thing, you got someone behind you. Oh my goodness, out, 201 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, and look at look at how why 202 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean you're talking. You can't even get two people 203 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: necessarily side by side on this thing. Oh my goodness, 204 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: here's Chicken Man telling J. D. Hudson what it was 205 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: like being forced down into the basement. Will they take 206 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: me downstre behind me? So so they hit him when 207 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: they're coming in. They was a full basement in the house. 208 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: So they took the people's down the steps into the 209 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: basement and they were making to lay down, and men 210 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: undressed so they could sist the pockets in that kind 211 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: of thing. They were talking on the walker, talking, talking 212 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: to the people in the car on the outside. Every 213 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: time they see a car car, so they would follow 214 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: him up and when they get out of coming to 215 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: the house, they would tell the people in the house, 216 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: how many people are coming to approaching. We know that 217 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: this basement would have been decorated like a casino in Vegas, 218 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: and Chicken Man wanted this to look just like Vegas. 219 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: So the craps tables could have been over here. You 220 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: could have had a blackjack table that was over here. 221 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: You could have had another card table over here. There 222 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: was supposedly a bar that was set up in this 223 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: area right here, with maybe seven or eight bar stools 224 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: for the ladies to say that. I mean it literally 225 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: was supposed to look like a casino. Oh wow, okay, 226 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine that. Now this would have been 227 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: like decked out to the nines. Here's j D asking 228 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: Chicken Man if he remembers a woman being involved. They 229 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: had to be about six of them and a level 230 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: was there. Remember he has them he goes quick. Yeah. 231 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: They said some of them had on high and they 232 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: kept on getting ars quick and she was taking she 233 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: had put in in the in the uh good looking. 234 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: Some of the victims claimed they did hear high heels 235 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: clicking on the basement floor, and so that gave them 236 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: the idea that there may have been a woman involved 237 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: in the robbery. Plus, one of the women who reported 238 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: the robbery said she saw a thin female hand reaching 239 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: towards one of the garbage cans where she had thrown 240 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: her diamond necklace to try to hide it, and so 241 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: that only increased their suspicions that a female was involved. 242 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: That female robber may have been Lillian Dabney, and she 243 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: could have been assisted by Bookie Brown. We think he 244 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: was forcing people down into the basement with the help 245 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: of James Henry Hall, Charles Lee was probably in the 246 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: house somewhere as well, and maybe even Houston Hammond's. All 247 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: of these names will continue to come up when j 248 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: D begins his investigation into the robbery. Let's go back 249 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: to the house where I explained to James what happened 250 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: to his uncle. So, James, your uncle Gordon. Chicken Man 251 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: comes in as the robbery is in full effect. Okay, 252 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: Chicken Man walks in the door. He's got a shotgun 253 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: that greets him in the face. They escorted him down here, 254 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: they strip him out of his clothes. Supposedly, they robbed 255 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: him of nine d seventy one dollars plus some jewelry. 256 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: But what was interesting about Chicken Man is underneath his 257 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: suit and stuff that he had for the Muhammad Ali fight, 258 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: he had on long underwear. Now it's October and it 259 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: may be kind of cold, but everybody else supposedly had 260 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of like skimpy underwear of just normal under Wherever 261 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: a few of the hustlers who saw Chicken Man in 262 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: his long underwear thought that he was prepared to be 263 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: stripped and that meant he was implicated. But Chicken Man 264 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: felt he was a victim, just like everyone else here 265 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: he is remembering one woman named Gladys who did not 266 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: want to give up her ring the same thing. Well, 267 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: you can hear him. It was briefing that they were smoking, 268 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: and you bet him. I know the man glad from 269 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: New York and she said, you want to range, Yeah, 270 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: I want a big rain. You gotta get that right, 271 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: which one said, Zach cut that they wouldn't drive. Here's 272 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: how j D described it to me back in two 273 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: thousand and two when we had our first interview together 274 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: the Robins the preseason in math. They bought masks and 275 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: saw a shot and stuff, and they pre seeded the bag. 276 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: When they got bad, they gleeded, okay. And as each 277 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: one came into a bad say, they run dressed for 278 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: women and men that jury and many let's say, big shoes. 279 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: They didn't take any means. And those out of gatto 280 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: shoes they didn't take any They took cash and you okay, right, um, okay. 281 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: So I'm still trying to get this in my heade. 282 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: If people were down in the basements, you know, some 283 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: of them are already there. Some of them were pulling 284 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: up in there's roll or their big cars or their 285 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: limousine and they can't tell anything that is going on 286 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: as far as the robbery. There's no screaming going on, 287 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: there's no gunshots going on. They don't know what's going on. 288 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: I got shopped us. You know, we have guys who 289 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: told us they went into the house of ten fifteen 290 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: twenty thirty thousands in the pockets. A lot of people 291 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: would we in that house. And that was when fifteen 292 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: thousand novel is a lot of many, like having one 293 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: point five million the US today, that's kind of many 294 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: of those guys carried That was a hustler who always 295 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: had three bodyguards. Anytime you went into a building to 296 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: went inside with him. Once they within where it was 297 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: on a building, oven stayed near the door, another one 298 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: stayed outside in the car, never got out the car. 299 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: And he was the last guy that came in. James, 300 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: and I imagine what happened to Frank Mo, the Black 301 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: Godfather and his bodyguards when they walked into shotguns pointed 302 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: at their faces. A man they would have known Tobe, 303 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: we found out was the honored birthday guest, and he 304 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: was sitting with a ghastly look on his face, greeting 305 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: the guests as they walked through the front door. James 306 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: then asked me an important question. Were they able to 307 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: get the guns from them as they were coming through 308 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: the door. They did get the guns from them. As 309 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: soon as they walked in the door. One of the 310 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: guys supposedly not Frank's bodyguard on the back of the 311 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: head or his back and basically pushed him down these stairs. 312 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: As soon as you walk off the stairs here, you 313 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: are probably forced into one corner of this basement. You've 314 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: got one of those guns, either either a sawed off 315 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: shotgun or a three seven with a silencer to your head. 316 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: You are forced to undress down to your underwear. I'm 317 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: imagining as a one when you're completely embarrassed and pissed 318 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: and scared of what these men with guns might do 319 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: to you outside of making you undress. Listen to how J. D. 320 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: Hudson described these gangsters like Frank Moten to Chicken Man 321 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: when I interviewed them on camera for the first time 322 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: ever in two thousand and three. Some of the richest 323 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: men in this guy, some of the toughest men in 324 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: this country. Guys who were not hesitate to blow your 325 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: head off, you know, because you stepped on that shoot, 326 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna take that money. And that was not impart 327 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: of for them. What was the part of They made 328 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: those goddess beautiful men with the meat coats and all 329 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: the doubt be undressed down to their panics. Now that 330 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: was then, so I can't protect my woman day. This 331 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: is what it's crazy change. You have some of the 332 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: biggest gangsters in the country, from Philadelphia, from d C, 333 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: from Chicago, from New York. Some of them are killers. 334 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: If they're not, they are tough hustlers from the streets. 335 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: They all are packing heat and not a shot was 336 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: fired that night, James, I still cannot figure that out. 337 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: That to me is the most shocking part of this 338 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: whole robbery. Now, I understand when you've got guns pointed 339 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: to your head and when you've got sawed off shotguns 340 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: at your back, that you know that if you make 341 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: a move you could be killed. But there's so many 342 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: of these gangsters that are being robbed. I just don't 343 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: know how they don't pull off some type of retaliation 344 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: during this whole thing. So with all this, I'm assuming 345 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: that Chicken Man had been thinking, okay with everyone becoming 346 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: from me at some point unless I've definitely proved that 347 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with this, because they would 348 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: think that he would have something to do with them 349 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: with him being the owner of the home and having 350 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: online Johns. So I definitely understand that even though not 351 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: a shot is fired that night, you have to think 352 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: that the gangsters who got robbed, who were embarrassed, who 353 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 1: couldn't protect their women, had one thing on their minds. 354 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: Payback Fight Night is a joint production from I Heart Radio, 355 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: Will Packer Media and Doghouse Pictures in association with Psychopia Pictures. 356 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: Produced and hosted by Jeff Keating. Executive producers are Will Packer, 357 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: James Lopez, Kenny Burns, Dan Bush, Lars Jacobson, and Noel Brown. 358 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: Supervising producer is Taylor Hickoyne. Story editors are Noel Brown 359 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: and Dan Bush. 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