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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, everybody, this is your favorite

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Speaker 1: politics and culture podcast, Native Lampod coming at.

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Speaker 2: You with episode four.

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Speaker 1: We are your hosts Angela Rae, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillum.

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Speaker 1: And as you know, we keep it real because what

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Speaker 1: else can you keep?

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Speaker 2: What's up everybody? What's up you guys?

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Speaker 3: What's good? What's good?

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Speaker 4: Everybody? As usual.

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Speaker 5: I want to give a quick shout out to the

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Speaker 5: Gathering Spot broadcasting live from the Gathering Spot. So thanks,

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Speaker 5: thanks to you guys for partnering with Native Lampodana.

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Speaker 1: Andrew and tiff I miss you guys. It's been too long.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you in person next week. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, let's get together in person time.

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Speaker 5: I think we would flow better when we're in the

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Speaker 5: same room. We can.

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Speaker 3: Energy send you from here, put hands on it, okay

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Speaker 3: and required.

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Speaker 1: But here's what we need the people to do in

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Speaker 1: the meantime until we get back together, and that is

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Speaker 1: we want you all to please make sure you are

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Speaker 2: We can take a hater remark here and there, but

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Speaker 2: we mostly want to.

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Speaker 1: Keep the love, okay, everybody, So I gotta say, it's

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Speaker 1: crazy how much has happened since we last got together.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden said he's ready to shut down the border.

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Speaker 1: All the while, the House Committee on Homeland Security is

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Speaker 1: teeing up an impeachment of the DHS Secretary of New

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Speaker 1: Yorkis cities are reeling with the response to migrants, and

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Speaker 1: residents are filling the pinch of being left behind. Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has designated Tim Sick and Tire Scott as the

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Speaker 1: head of White Outreach.

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Speaker 2: Oh my bad, My bad.

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Speaker 1: It's supposed to be black outreach, but it probably should

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Speaker 1: have been white either way. He's thinking there's a play

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Speaker 1: for the blackmail vote on today.

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Speaker 2: Those are my bars.

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Speaker 1: Tip, You're not the only one, but I think this

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Speaker 1: is not exactly the case. Meg the Stallion hissed that

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Speaker 1: Nikki and send her into a spiral of online bullying

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Speaker 1: for seventy two hours in counting.

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Speaker 2: Is that how we honor in hip hop fifty?

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Speaker 3: I don't know you've been following this for seventy two I.

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Speaker 1: Mean the people have said, speaking of hip hop, fifty

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Speaker 1: K Solo said, your mom's in my business.

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Speaker 2: She's in my business.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what he would say about the NSA being

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Speaker 1: in the business. So we can talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about that too. And it wouldn't be Home without our

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Speaker 1: listeners and viewers. So we are doing Q and A

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Speaker 1: throughout this episode to create even more of a conversation.

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Speaker 1: And we even have some inspiration from a faithful listener

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Speaker 1: that's a surprise, so make sure you stay tuned. Also

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Speaker 1: today my governor and my co host, my brother Andrew Gillam,

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Speaker 1: is sharing his very courageous story. You do not want

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Speaker 1: to miss this, y'all. This is episode for a welcome home. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So from Kamala Harris's viral moment, do not come to

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Speaker 1: the Biden administrations and initial proposal that was to restore

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Speaker 1: humanity and American values to our immigration system, Joe's taking

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Speaker 1: a hard turn to the right.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden is now saying this not.

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Speaker 3: Biller the law today.

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Speaker 4: I'd shut down the border right now and fix it quickly.

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Speaker 6: And Congress needs to get it done.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So, as you all know, there is a lot going

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Speaker 1: on with our community in particularly excuse me, in particular

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Speaker 2: I think we're real divided.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of pushback, even from the audience

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Speaker 1: of Native lampod Last week. We were joking about New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: like what New Hampshire got to do with border security?

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Speaker 1: But folks are like, actually a whole lot there are

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Speaker 1: differing opinions here, and apparently, y'all we're not necessarily in

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Speaker 1: but what Biden's talking about, and I'm even more definitely

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Speaker 1: not in lockstep with what Donald Trump has said about

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Speaker 2: So hey, aint, y'all what you got?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta tell you, angel I was really disappointed

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Speaker 5: with a lot of the comments. They were very anti immigrant,

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Speaker 5: and I just want to kick us off and is

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Speaker 5: having this conversation by saying, listen, this country has not

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Speaker 5: and I just don't want us to do that. I

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Speaker 5: think there are legitimate questions around the strain that immigration

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Speaker 5: I actually I don't think we were really joking around

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Speaker 5: New Hampshire, because it was a legitimate question, what is

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Speaker 5: the huge immigration policy that would be number two that

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Speaker 5: most New Hampshire states were voting on, particularly when that

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Speaker 5: those were legitimate questions. I think the consistent comment in

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Speaker 5: this notion that immigration takes away resources from black communities.

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Speaker 5: And I just want to say that is not true.

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Speaker 5: Undocumented immigrants pay more than eleven billion dollars in taxes

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Speaker 5: every year. Undocumented immigrants are not really eligible for a

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Speaker 5: lot of federal benefits, and some of the labor shortages

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Speaker 5: that we see in our community would have happened anyway.

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Speaker 5: That is not You have to consider things like automation

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Speaker 5: and the way the economy is going that is not

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Speaker 5: undocumented immigrants taking away from you. I understand that I'm

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Speaker 5: speaking as someone who hasn't worked on this policy, but Andrew, you,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you were a mayor, you were running to

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Speaker 5: look at mayors like Eric Adams and what's happening in

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Speaker 5: to lose the humanity in all of this, but what

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Speaker 5: is like common sense immigration solutions? And do these folks

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Speaker 3: You set it up well, Angela, and it is a

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Speaker 3: real broad conversation. But I want to go back to

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Speaker 3: to close the border. The American borders have always been closed.

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Speaker 3: Let's reject the Republican talking points. There is always been

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Speaker 3: That's number one. Don't accept the Republican talking point and

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Speaker 3: in real life. To people who are you know, saying

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Speaker 3: taking jobs. I am not going to tell you to

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Speaker 3: I know from experiencing my own community, and I heard

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Speaker 3: He bought them because he didn't want to shut the

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Speaker 3: all around. Our Congresswoman Rashida till Alive could tell us

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Speaker 3: about that. But again, there was some replacement that was

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Speaker 3: But if an employer a company is prepared and willing

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Speaker 3: I think if we were serious about real immigration reform,

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Speaker 3: we would put the emphasis on a national comprehensive solution

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Speaker 3: that is led by cracking down on the economic powers

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Speaker 3: their worth and they're making the trade off. But displacing

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Speaker 3: a whole different set of people. But to your point, Tiffany,

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Speaker 3: I know you're never gonna believe that these folks are

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm key, you're saying, but you're saying that we

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Speaker 5: a lot of the people who are leaving these comments

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Speaker 3: Immigrants are and they're paying more. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: they see their taxes go up and they make the contribution. Well, y'alling.

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Speaker 3: We're paying at the local level to solve an immigration

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Speaker 3: before becoming president of the United States or since, and

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Speaker 3: and taking care of this problem. They give us lip service,

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Speaker 1: You've reference the comments, I do want to get into

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Speaker 1: the comments because this is a safe place for our audience,

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Speaker 1: our listeners. So this is from Dina in New York,

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Speaker 1: where we know there's also a migrant crisis that they're

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Speaker 1: actively trying to solve. Dina says, how do we own

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Speaker 1: the conversation surrounding the southern border? Black people in my

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Speaker 1: This is exactly why I started with Biden's plan today.

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Speaker 2: TIF you had an excellent point before.

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Speaker 2: What did you say, Tip.

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Speaker 5: And why that he's not making it? Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: You were talking about how you think he actually is

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Speaker 5: interest in protecting black men and their pathway to you know,

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Speaker 1: One is, I think that we often forget that black

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Speaker 5: Except at the Einstein visa listen for some unknown talent.

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Speaker 5: We have yet to discuss trying to figure out her

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Speaker 4: But they were fine with that.

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Speaker 1: But from the very beginning, Congressman Thompson put out border principles,

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Speaker 1: I do want to pivot here, Andrew, and come back

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Speaker 1: to you. There was a Chicago City Council meeting on

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Speaker 7: The reason I have brought this with some of my

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Speaker 8: But what it is is.

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Speaker 7: To find some kind of compromise and threshold to stop

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Speaker 9: Y'all don't care what y'all trying to find.

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Speaker 8: Y'all trying to find housing.

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Speaker 9: For the for for for Venice, for for Venezuelans, for

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Speaker 9: the Latinos, for all that, y'all, y'all keep it sending

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Speaker 9: one time, y'all sent ice there, Ice need to come after.

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Speaker 8: There's prostitution. There's prostitution that's behind there's prostitution that's behind

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Speaker 9: I love that Streeterville as prostitution right up the street.

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Speaker 3: A disrespect, that's real. I don't like it. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: So this has been an intention from the very beginning, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Divide and conquer is the name of the game, and

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Speaker 3: But not only is the devil a lie, or this

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Speaker 3: In Florida, we had wetfoot dry foot. If you were

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Speaker 5: subject of a lot of conversation in your group chats, maybe,

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Speaker 5: but this week also in the media, is this narrative

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Speaker 5: around the black male voting block, even that descriptor. I

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Speaker 5: have challenges with I have to tell you. But the

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Speaker 5: Washington Post had a really interesting read this week that

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Speaker 5: essentially suggested that Biden is having trouble with black men voters.

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Speaker 5: I have so many challenges and issues with this, Angela.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're in a group chat where we talk

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Speaker 5: about this kind of thing a lot all the time,

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Speaker 5: and I just think the media framing on this is wrong.

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Speaker 5: There are black people are one of the most faithful

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Speaker 5: Democratic voters, and we've already talked about we're not faithful

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Speaker 5: to a political party. We're faithful to ourselves. We're voting

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Speaker 5: in favor of harm reduction. But this notion that somehow

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Speaker 5: we're going to lay the failure of Joe Biden at

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Speaker 5: the feet of black folks, particularly black men. I have

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Speaker 5: an issue with it. I think there is a small

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Speaker 5: sect of black men who vote Republican. They certainly don't

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Speaker 5: represent the masses. And when the media writes about this,

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Speaker 5: I just want to scream, because you know who the

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Speaker 5: largest conservative voting bloc is, white men. Write about white

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Speaker 5: men voting overwhelmingly for this president with ninety one indictments,

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Speaker 5: who brags about grabbing women by their private parts, who

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Speaker 5: got one, two, three baby mamas all up in the

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Speaker 5: White House. Right about that group of people because of

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Speaker 5: their conservative beliefs, they are overwhelmingly voting for him. Write

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Speaker 5: about the people who sit at the right hand of

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Speaker 5: that power, white women who support this president. So I

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Speaker 5: have a lot of issues to say about it. But Angela, I,

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Speaker 5: because we had talked about this so aggressively at our

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Speaker 5: group chat, I know you have some thoughts about it too,

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Speaker 5: because we have to ask the question how do we

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Speaker 5: engage black men in these conversations? And I have to

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Speaker 5: say Vice President Kamala Harris, I think has been doing

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Speaker 5: a great job at that. It's not highly publicized, but

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Speaker 5: I know she's had some black mail centric dinners, and

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Speaker 5: I think it's wise of the administration to do that.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you that I do have a lot

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Speaker 1: of thoughts. But we also have a question that's closely

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Speaker 1: enough related to this from one of our listeners, Monica Williams.

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Speaker 10: Hey Native Land Podcast Spam. I wanted to kind of

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Speaker 10: get your thoughts. I saw in a Black Enterprise article

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Speaker 10: recently that stated that about fourteen to thirty percent of

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Speaker 10: the black vote was seemingly leaning towards.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, which I thought was kind of a.

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Speaker 11: Curious stat and kind of wondering what your thoughts are

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Speaker 11: on that, if that stat is in fact true, or

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Speaker 11: if you feel that it's leaning more or black men

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Speaker 11: are going towards Donald Trump versus Black women, or kind

487
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Speaker 11: of what that looks like, and if that's the case,

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Speaker 11: if there's anything that the Democratic Party can do to

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Speaker 11: kind of stop the faucet from running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think we know right that there's a distinction between

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Speaker 1: black women vote and black men vote, and it's still

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Speaker 1: not significant enough to call as much attention to it

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Speaker 1: as is called in the press every single cycle. It's

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Speaker 1: not new to tips point. I do think that I

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Speaker 1: believe that there's an alarm being sounded, and it should be.

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Speaker 1: There should be no light between people of color and

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Speaker 1: Democrats in terms of policy, but there has been traditionally

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Speaker 1: and it continues to be a problem. This all hands

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Speaker 1: on deck approach to recruiting back a base that Democrats

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Speaker 1: lost long ago, and I would like to see them

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Speaker 1: keep that same energy to ensure that our voters don't

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Speaker 1: leave when they don't feel heard, aren't seen, you know,

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Speaker 1: feel ignored, feel like their policy desires are not heard.

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Speaker 1: I also think, again I say this every week now,

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Speaker 1: that we need to be really clear about what our

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Speaker 1: demands are and what our agenda is. Andrew, I want

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Speaker 1: to come to you, and then I want to go

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Speaker 1: to one other clip.

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Speaker 3: Black male voters need to be talked to like a

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Speaker 3: target community, as they would what you call the independent

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Speaker 3: lane center voter. That we're going to spend what six

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Speaker 3: times the amount we would on a base voter trying

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Speaker 3: to get out and say that we're their choice. Black

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Speaker 3: folks are not a monolith. We say this often, but

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Speaker 3: increasingly when it comes to economic strata. If you are

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Speaker 3: not talking to me about more than a social program,

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Speaker 3: but one that yes, allows everybody to survive. But I

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Speaker 3: need a thriving agenda. I want to see the agenda

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Speaker 3: on a small black business, recruitment development, early seed investments,

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Speaker 3: and then the kind of coverage and support that folks need.

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Speaker 3: You know, Donald Trump, you need daddy. God is from

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Speaker 3: his daddy. But institutions who are supposed to do that,

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Speaker 3: our banks aren't lending to us. So what public policy

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Speaker 3: are you going to produce that makes that door opened

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Speaker 3: and easier? During COVID, what black women were the fastest

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Speaker 3: starters of new business, yet something like ninety seven percent

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Speaker 3: of all startup capital was going to white men. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: make it make sense. The policy isn't lining up. So

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Speaker 3: don't bring me no Chitlin circuit mess and think I'm

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Speaker 3: going to be impressed by it. We are not. We

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Speaker 3: now want you to go further.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 3: It is boilerplate to take care of basic human needs.

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Speaker 3: Now I need you to tell me how in second

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Speaker 3: and third generation college we're gonna thrive. What's that agenda?

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Speaker 3: And so we've got to be willing to speak to it.

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Speaker 3: And if we don't, if we keep thinking that the

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Speaker 3: same three things are gonna motivate us civil rights paved

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Speaker 3: the way, and we owe our ancestors a lot. We

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Speaker 3: understand that, and it is baked in the cake. But

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Speaker 3: those talking points are not applying to an emerging voter

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Speaker 3: black men being I think at the apex of it,

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Speaker 3: who want more. Yeah, they want more, and they deserve more,

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Speaker 3: just as we would give more if they were considered

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Speaker 3: a swing voter.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And speaking of just that, there's a man named

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Speaker 1: Keith Rivers who spoke at a Black Voters Matter town

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Speaker 1: hall recently. I want to shout out Roland Martin who

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Speaker 1: gave us access to this footage for this town hall

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Speaker 1: that I actually moderated in South Carolina last Friday.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 12: We are a little city that is right about twenty

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Speaker 12: miles from the Virginia line, and so all of our

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Speaker 12: media comes out of Virginia. So North Carolina doesn't see us,

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Speaker 12: and we don't see North Carolina, and everything around.

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Speaker 8: Us is rule.

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Speaker 12: Within twenty four hours of the sharp.

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Speaker 6: And verdict right ouf the George Floyd excuse me.

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Speaker 8: On April the twenty first, twenty twenty one, they shot

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Speaker 8: a brother in the back of the head with the

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Speaker 8: AR fifteen rifle fired thirty some of the shots in

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Speaker 8: his head when he was rolling out. He was goldly

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Speaker 8: going away. The Corners report said that it was homicide,

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Speaker 8: and the media came into our city. They sold out

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Speaker 8: every hotel in the city, and we marched for almost

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Speaker 8: a year. And we didn't burn down any buildings, We

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Speaker 8: didn't shoot each other, we didn't do anything. And the

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Speaker 8: media left. The media left, and those deputies that murdered

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Speaker 8: Andrew Brown Jr. Go to work every day. And my

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Speaker 8: question is, where's the media now? Where's the black media

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Speaker 8: who's telling our story? Now? Where's the black media to

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Speaker 8: tell this story that these white deputies, one of them

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Speaker 8: is by Ray. Sure, they don't make no difference. They

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Speaker 8: all of them, that wall of blue. They shot this

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Speaker 8: brother in the back of the head. And nobody's telling

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Speaker 8: this story today. And maybe if this story get told,

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Speaker 8: the same sheriff got reelected the district attorney, it became

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Speaker 8: a judge. We don't have a black judge in our district.

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Speaker 6: Who's telling our story in these rural areas.

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Speaker 8: But maybe if our media, if the black media start

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Speaker 8: telling our story, we won't have a problem getting people

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Speaker 8: to the polls.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I know that you guys might be asking

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Speaker 1: why did we play this clip around black media, But

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Speaker 1: I think it is so clear, and I want to

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Speaker 1: tell you, guys, because Andrew and tiff y'all are some

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Speaker 1: of the greatest public servants I know. When I heard

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Speaker 1: this man and saw this grown man cry at the

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Speaker 1: mic like that, I said, I'm committing to you. We

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Speaker 1: are putting this story on the podcast. We will talk

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Speaker 1: about Andrew Brown Junior. But the thing that he said

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Speaker 1: that is so poignant, and I know y'all feel this.

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Speaker 1: When we talk to rural black voters a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: they say they feel forgotten. They are only thought about

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Speaker 1: every four years. And he hits that right on the

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Speaker 1: head when he says the media sold out these hotel rooms,

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Speaker 1: that they were everywhere. They were swarming right after this

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Speaker 1: man was shot and killed, but shortly thereafter because they

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Speaker 1: left because there was no more attention placed on this.

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Speaker 1: Because the tv ads are Virginia and not North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: The sheriff was reelected, the DA became an elected judge.

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Speaker 1: And Andrew Brown Junior's legacy is brought on by the

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Speaker 1: people who were to boost up and to fortify his killers.

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Speaker 1: This I mean, if there's not something that encapsulates the

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Speaker 1: problem better. I don't know what it is. Like the

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Speaker 1: reason black men are like, yo, I'm not doing this,

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Speaker 1: the reason our people are like forget it.

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Speaker 2: But the reason young people are like, I'm just trying to.

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Speaker 1: Understand what you're doing with Gaza though, like you're not

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Speaker 1: speaking to my humanity.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you don't even see me until you need

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Speaker 2: my vote.

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Speaker 1: That is the issue, Like we have to drill down

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Speaker 1: on the actual problem. This isn't even about going at policy.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just like, do you see me? Can you

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Speaker 1: acknowledge my existence?

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Speaker 2: I matter? Talk to me like I matter.

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Speaker 1: Latasha and Clip founded Black voters Matter, and they do

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Speaker 1: the work all year long, not just in an election year,

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Speaker 1: but three sixty five seven days a week, all of

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Speaker 1: the time because we matter all of the time. Our

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Speaker 1: engagement matters all of the time, and what we hear

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Speaker 1: from this man. And I also don't want to blame

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Speaker 1: black media. We got a resource challenge rather just like

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Speaker 1: everybody else, but like we have to do the work

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Speaker 1: of staying engaged and ensuring that our folks feel seen

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Speaker 1: all the time because we cannot count on any elected official,

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Speaker 1: no matter the race, to do that all the time

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Speaker 1: for us, We've got to do that. Thank God for

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Speaker 1: a Black Voters Matter for making this happen. But truly,

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Speaker 1: that's where I believe the work is, and that's where

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Speaker 1: I think the disconnect really lies.

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Speaker 2: We got to do that well.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a really good point is about rural America, right,

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Speaker 5: because when you hear people talk about rural America and

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Speaker 5: the mainstream media, so often we are not included the

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Speaker 5: rural America. In mainstream media, the white is silent. So

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Speaker 5: assume that everyone lives in rural America is a white

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Speaker 5: farmer who has somehow been disenfranchised, when in reality, more

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Speaker 5: than seven percent of black folks call rural America home.

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Speaker 5: And I want to say people of color comprised more

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Speaker 5: than thirty percent of rural America across this country. So yes,

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Speaker 5: we see you, we hear you, we understand you. I

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Speaker 5: have to too, echo Angela sentiments and defend black media.

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Speaker 5: It is a more than a resource challenge. Media everywhere

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Speaker 5: is challenged, and so if you can imagine that when

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Speaker 5: it comes to black media, it is a severe resource

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Speaker 5: challenge that they do not have the resources to be

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Speaker 5: on ground and cover everything like that. So I wouldn't

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Speaker 5: lay that film at the foot of black media. I

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Speaker 5: lay this failure at the foot of media, at white

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Speaker 5: decision makers who do not see faces like this as

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Speaker 5: being real America or the heart of America. That is

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Speaker 5: a challenge that we all have to press forward on

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Speaker 5: and we can't depend on, you know, white run newsrooms

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Speaker 5: to do that for us. That's why there's always been

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Speaker 5: such credo and importance to media that centers us black

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Speaker 5: run media, black owned media. But I just want to

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Speaker 5: say that when it comes to because this was such

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Speaker 5: a huge conversation around the Georgia race where Stacy Abrams

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Speaker 5: ran for governor, and there was a similar conversation around

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Speaker 5: black men. And you think about there's Atlanta, which is

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Speaker 5: a hard blue spot on a very red map, and

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Speaker 5: so as Georgia turns purple, you think about all the

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Speaker 5: people in rural America there And just to give black

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Speaker 5: men a shout out, because I know you all stand

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Speaker 5: with us. There's a small margin of people who venture

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Speaker 5: over to the other side. But in Georgia, twenty seven

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Speaker 5: percent or twenty three thousand people, excuse me, voted for

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Speaker 5: Brian Kemp. Twenty three black men voted for Brian Kemp.

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Speaker 5: If you took all twenty three thousand of those black men,

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Speaker 5: they would have done nothing for the more than fifty

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Speaker 5: thousand lead that he had. So I just rebuke any

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Speaker 5: time we're laying failure in this democracy at the foot

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Speaker 5: of black folks, we have to turn that mirror and say,

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Speaker 5: how are white folks voting? Because they are still the

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Speaker 5: largest voting block.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't go after your number two highest contributing

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Speaker 3: member to your success period, bar nne By sharing the

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Speaker 3: vote and say you're the blame for the loss. If

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Speaker 3: you got a fifty cheap, fifty numbered long list of

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Speaker 3: who your constituency is, and black men right behind black

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Speaker 3: women are the number one and two performers, you would

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Speaker 3: think that your ad resourcing money would be so heavily

686
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Speaker 3: concentrated on maximizing that community and being there and doing

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Speaker 3: what needs to be done for that community that you

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Speaker 3: make no light in between. But what black folks are

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Speaker 3: willing to do in black men and black women too.

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Speaker 3: I think we're pragmatic voters. But let's just take what

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has said and is doing on the issue

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Speaker 3: of criminal justice. I find it largely self serving given

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Speaker 3: his particular condition right now, But his head face on

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Speaker 3: attack about the corruption of the FBI and what federal

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Speaker 3: prosecutors are doing and state prosecutors and so forth, that

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Speaker 3: resonates with our community. Those were our talking points before

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Speaker 3: he co opted them and the folks on the right

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Speaker 3: co opted them. We were saying, this is a system

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Speaker 3: that is not designed for us, but it is except

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Speaker 3: to our demise. If we let them run away with

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Speaker 3: criminal justice as an issue, in the corruption of institutions

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Speaker 3: as an issue, then I can tell you we will

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Speaker 3: have something to worry about. Because I am done sick.

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Speaker 3: I no longer will lay down and blindly support any

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Speaker 3: governmental institution or law enforcement entity, agency, or individual or

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Speaker 3: set of people without scrutinizing it to the highest degree,

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Speaker 3: because I've been on this where those systems have cooperated

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Speaker 3: maliciously to make a thing that wasn't a thing a

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Speaker 3: thing and ruining and crushing lives, communities, families, neighborhoods in between.

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Speaker 3: So when I look at MSNBC or CNN or any

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Speaker 3: of these cable news networks, and I'm hearing the same

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Speaker 3: black voices that were on there saying during Barock's administration

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Speaker 3: that we need a criminal justice reform and a prosecutorial

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Speaker 3: accountability who are now saying, hell, when prosecutors put together

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Speaker 3: their case against Trump, you know they're not going to

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Speaker 3: leave any stone unturned. And now giving these folks unfettered

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Speaker 3: credibility for their work, no, serve you lose me. I'm

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Speaker 3: not with that because no institution's beyond reproach and certainly

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Speaker 3: not a governmental institution. And I think he's tapping on

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Speaker 3: something and people are willing to hear that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, we got to pay some more bills and

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this break.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: As you all know, politics are everywhere and they're definitely

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Speaker 1: in hip hop. We have Nicki Minaj versus Meg the Stallion.

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Speaker 1: Meg the Stallion his first with her track.

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Speaker 2: Called His These Hos don't be mad at Megan. These

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Speaker 2: host made at Megan's law.

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Speaker 13: I don't really know what the problem means, but I

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Speaker 13: get see y'all want me staring.

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Speaker 1: And Nicki Minaj hit back with a track called Bigfoot

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Speaker 1: Shi by Bigot.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about this because it just went

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Speaker 2: a little far for me.

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Speaker 1: It went a little far for me, and I want

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Speaker 1: to reference first in Meg's track Hiss, she referenced something

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Speaker 1: called Meghan's Law. So she says, these holes don't be

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Speaker 1: mad at Meghan. These holes be mad at Meghan's Law.

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Speaker 1: And she referenced Megan's Law, which is about the required

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Speaker 1: for a sexual offender to report that they are in

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Speaker 1: fact a sexual offender. It's a federal law that requires

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Speaker 1: law enforcement to make information available about registered sex offenders.

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Speaker 1: We know that Nicki Minaj is married to one Kenneth

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Speaker 1: Petty who's a registered sex offender.

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Speaker 2: So Nikki hit back and she came at her about bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: Meg is five to ten and I guess this is

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Speaker 1: something about that, as well as hitting at the fact

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Speaker 1: that she was shot in the foot by Tory Lanes,

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Speaker 1: which we all know anyway, we don't have to get

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Speaker 1: in all that. But my question is, just like, what

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Speaker 1: do we do with this. It's online bullying for seventy

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Speaker 1: two hours. I thought we could leave it all on

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Speaker 1: the sixteen bars, but apparently not. So I'd like to

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Speaker 1: hear y'all thoughts about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta say, I'm so disgusted by this Angela.

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Speaker 5: I think it's so tragic. Number one, that these two

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Speaker 5: women are fighting like this and the public eye ladies,

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Speaker 5: there is nothing attractive about tearing down another black woman.

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Speaker 5: It just Isn't you look so much more secure and

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Speaker 5: happy and together when you're secure enough in yourself to

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Speaker 5: stand next to another queen whose light shines as bright

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Speaker 5: as yours, and if her light ain't shining as bright

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Speaker 5: as yours, you're trying to lift her up to make

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Speaker 5: sure her light shines as bright as yours. The challenge

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Speaker 5: with this is when this kind of like petty back

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Speaker 5: and forth, and I believe Nicki Mina said something about

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Speaker 5: Megan's deceased mother. It feeds such a baser instinct and

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Speaker 5: find you a tribe and let's celebrate sisterhood because I

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Speaker 5: couldn't imagine Salt and Peppa going after MC light, who

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Speaker 5: was going after mony Love Like we just didn't have

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Speaker 5: that coming up. And I don't want a morphine. So

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Speaker 5: one of those get off my lawn. Middle aged women.

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Speaker 5: I'm certainly not seeing the Lauras Tucker sitting up here

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Speaker 5: on this panel.

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Speaker 4: But this ain't it.

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Speaker 5: You know, whatever you all think this is accomplishing, it doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Sixty four percent of young adults experience online bullying. You

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Speaker 5: have black people who say, oh, suicide that ain't something

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Speaker 5: we do.

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Speaker 4: That is not true.

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Speaker 5: Suicides among black youth seventeen ten to seventeen years old

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Speaker 5: is up one hundred and forty four percent, and that

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Speaker 5: number is attributed to online bullying. So to talk about

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Speaker 5: somebody who was a victim of assault, to talk about

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Speaker 5: somebody's body shaping, I believe Niki is almost forty years old.

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Speaker 5: If she's not over forty, over forty, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 5: how old you are, but that kind of behavior is disgusting.

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Speaker 5: I also want to make the point Angela that she

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Speaker 5: tweeted she was tweeting with Ben Shapiro. Nicki Minaj was

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Speaker 5: Ben Shapiro is a right wing conservative zealot, a MAGA extremist.

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Speaker 5: And so any time that you are so caught up

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Speaker 5: in belittling another woman, you would align yourself with somebody

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Speaker 5: who doesn't even see your humanity. I would hope that

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Speaker 5: you question yourself. And I pray for both their healing,

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Speaker 5: but especially Nicki Minaj I pray for your healing, sys

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Speaker 5: because something inside you was broken that you would go

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Speaker 5: to that level of disgusting attack on someone who lost

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Speaker 5: their mother and who was the victim of an assault.

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Speaker 5: I don't like any of it, it's not entertaining at all.

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Speaker 1: To the point tip, just so you know, this online bullying,

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Speaker 1: as we know, finds its way into what happens in

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Speaker 1: real life. We saw that on January sixth, it turns

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Speaker 1: into an insurrection. Well, there was an insurrection at Meg

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Speaker 1: the Stallion's mother's grave site. Yep, they actually went to

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Speaker 1: her grave site to deface the grave. That's where we are, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I saw you about to weigh in.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, y'all, I'm learning about this as I'm listening

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Speaker 3: to y'all, so quick question.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nicki Minaj's critique before this thing seemed to degrade in

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Speaker 3: the black hole, was that Meghan's law or.

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Speaker 1: My point was that Meg said in the lyrics, she says,

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Speaker 1: you think Holds is mad at Meghan, but they're really

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Speaker 1: mad at Meghan's law, like the fact that he has

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Speaker 1: to report.

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Speaker 2: That's actually the lyric.

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Speaker 5: She's talking about Nicky's husband who's a registered sex offender.

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Speaker 5: Meghan's law is yes, it already, but she's saying, oh.

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Speaker 3: Right, okay, so she threw it back at her as

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Speaker 3: it did.

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Speaker 2: Nicki responded with bigfoot. But here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: This is happening in real time, while like literally today

823
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Speaker 1: we record, you guys know, we pre record. There is

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Speaker 1: a Kids Online Safety Act being discussed in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: This has everything to do with bullying and harassment and

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Speaker 1: all these things. So I'm saying, you got adults demonstrating

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Speaker 1: why this is so dangerous for kids. There are kids who,

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Speaker 1: when they're bullied online, go home and commit or die

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Speaker 1: by suicide. We have to be mindful of how we're

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Speaker 1: carrying ourselves, particularly when you have a fan base. Charles

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Speaker 1: Barkley said in that commercial back in the day, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a role model. Guess what you are as soon

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Speaker 1: as you step in that limelight. There are kids who

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Speaker 1: are emulating themselves to try to be like you. There

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Speaker 1: are adults who are trying to be like you. Nicki

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Speaker 1: minaj Sis you're forty one, I'm forty four. I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying we might have to shine a light and be

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Speaker 1: a role model, even for the sisters in their twenties,

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Speaker 1: like Meg. Meg's been through a lot, right, Like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, and it's hip hop there, I mean, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's hip hop. There's always been rap battles at hip hop.

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Speaker 4: You ain't gotta take its a Twitter.

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Speaker 2: It's too far.

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Speaker 4: Never like this, Never like this. I mean I do

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Speaker 4: think of ll Cool Day and Cool Mode.

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Speaker 5: They had one of the dopest rat battles and when

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Speaker 5: you you know, hear those jay z Exactly throughout history

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Speaker 5: there's always been rat battles.

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Speaker 4: This is something else.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that people are going to her mother's

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Speaker 5: grave debasing her grave, I just find it all disgusting.

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Speaker 5: And listen, Angela and I and Andrew, all of us

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Speaker 5: have been have experienced ugly comments on social media. I

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Speaker 5: am a grown ass woman, so I know the difference

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Speaker 5: between my real life and what people are on here saying,

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Speaker 5: and still it can impact me when somebody overwhelmingly is

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Speaker 5: saying something. People have an opinion on your hair, your outfit,

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Speaker 5: everything you look like, who you date, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 5: It can be overwhelming to a grown adult who's securing herself.

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Speaker 5: So you imagine being thirteen or fifteen and seeing this

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Speaker 5: behavior play out and then mimicking it with your peers,

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Speaker 5: and the consequences are dire. So monitor to social media. Kids,

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00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 5: share responsibly, behave responsibly. If you're the victim of online bullying,

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Speaker 5: you can report those comments. There are some safe practices

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Speaker 5: out there for you that you can google. But this

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Speaker 5: is not This is not normal behavior. This is the

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Speaker 5: behavior of at least one broken woman, if not too

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Speaker 5: and it's nothing to celebrate.

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Speaker 3: I want to co sign everything again, less informed about it,

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Speaker 3: but I do know this much. I don't have to

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Speaker 3: be that informed to know this. This is the point

872
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Speaker 3: at which the close friends, the enlightened ones who are close,

873
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: respectively to these women. This is when you tell them

874
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: on the side to take a bee, and y'all going

875
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: to handle this inside the door rather than out in

876
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: the yard, in the street, and up at the community plaza.

877
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: Because these beats happen all the time. Grown folks have them,

878
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: young folks have them. It impacts all of us differently,

879
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 3: in every one of us has areas of brokenness. But

880
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: this ain't the forum and these women. My colleagues have

881
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: pointed out many reasons why it isn't, but it to

882
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: me underscoes why you have to have people around you

883
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 3: who are willing to pull you up and out so

884
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: you can stop being at the three inch level and

885
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: get out to the three thousand level and see what

886
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: the big picture is. Then women don't know enough about

887
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: each other to go at one another so viscerally and

888
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: so personally. That's a disconnect. I used to feel this

889
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: way when I get emails from people who would just

890
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: tearing me to pieces. Don't know me from Tom Adam

891
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: Katt except for the comment or the clip or whatever

892
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: they read. And I had to quickly come to a

893
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 3: place and I thank YACHTI for this. Angela knows her.

894
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: I had to get into a place where, look, your

895
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 3: opinion of me is not my business, because you can't

896
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: feel this much unless you've experienced something in your life

897
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: personally that has been triggered and lifted and you are hurt.

898
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: And so guess what. I know. You put my name there,

899
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: but you can change it to whomever this is intended for,

900
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: because some healing has to happen there.

901
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 6: You can't.

902
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: You don't know me well enough to feel that way

903
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 3: about me? Whatsoever? Ought to take the time to write

904
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: that much about me? To take take that back to

905
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 3: who it is intended for, because your opinion of me

906
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: is not my business.

907
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: It's not.

908
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: And these women need friends who are pulling them up

909
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 3: all that time.

910
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 4: You spend all that time right into a stranger.

911
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 5: Okay, let me I just can I just say really quickly,

912
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 5: because Angela knows this, like we there are different social circles,

913
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 5: and you know, for the young people at what you

914
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 5: do at twenty will still stick with you when you're thirty,

915
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: when you forty. So you always want to try to

916
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 5: live like a good life. And everybody deserves redemption. There

917
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 5: are people who might be who I might not be

918
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 5: their favorite person, you know, and they might say, oh,

919
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 5: Tiffany Cross, I don't like her. And somebody comes to

920
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 5: me and they say, oh, well, Susie Q says she

921
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 5: don't like you. At this moment, I have a choice.

922
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 5: I can say I don't give a shit. If Susie

923
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 5: Q don't like me, who cares? Or I can say,

924
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 5: you know, that's really unfortunate. I've always liked her and

925
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 5: I thought she was a pleasant person. But I hope

926
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 5: she's well and I'm whatever I did, I hope that

927
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 5: she can find healing in it for her own.

928
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 4: Life in that moment.

929
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 5: Who looks like the more senior person, So Nikki and

930
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 5: Megan and somebody not everything so deserves the response.

931
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: My response with a band, why are you chasing over

932
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: here to me to tell me somebody's business and why

933
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: they feel comfortable telling you and not me.

934
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 4: Right, that's the whole other conversation.

935
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: What you say when they say they ain't like me,

936
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 5: and why they feel comfortable telling you they ain't like me.

937
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 5: That's something to think about too. Stay out of mess,

938
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 5: keep your mouth shut, and stay out of mess.

939
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: Anyway.

940
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: So we spent a lot of time in mess today,

941
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: and I just gotta say, you know who else is

942
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 1: in our mess?

943
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 2: Didn't nobody ask them to be there? The n essay.

944
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: So the Senate has held a hearing on this because

945
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to understand what tech company's responsibility

946
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: to us. There's this ability right now for folks to

947
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: buy internet metadata that is telling all our business. So

948
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: you think you're going to do something online and you

949
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: hit that delete button that's still there, booboo. And there's

950
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: somebody who I'm really surprised I agree with, who had

951
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: something to say about this. Let's roll that clip.

952
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 14: Mister Zuckerberg, you and the companies before us. I know

953
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 14: you don't mean it to be so, but you have

954
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 14: blood on your hands. You have a product. You have

955
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 14: a product that's killing people.

956
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 11: Now.

957
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 14: Senator Blumenthal and Blackburn who've been like the Dynamic duo

958
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 14: here have found emails from your company where they warned

959
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 14: you about this stuff, and you decided not to hire

960
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 14: forty five people that could do a better job of

961
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 14: policing this. So the bottom line is you can't be sued.

962
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 14: You should be and these emails would be great for

963
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 14: punitive damages, but the courtrooms closed. Every American abused by

964
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 14: all the companies in front of me.

965
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: Let me find out, Lindsey.

966
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel bipartisan today because Lindsey tore that down.

967
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: Now it feels like that really went more with Meg

968
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: and Nikki.

969
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: But I will say that on this the Senator has

970
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: been relentless at figuring out what is happening with tech companies,

971
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: like what their responsibility is to the general republic, particularly kids.

972
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham mentioned Senators Blackburn and Blumenthal, who are also

973
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: the co sponsors of the Kids Online Safety Act we

974
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: just talked about. I have got to tell you the

975
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: NSA spying is of course not a surprise, that's what

976
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: they do. But the ability to pass off our metadata

977
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: without a warrant is deeply troubling for me, and I

978
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: think this is a place where libertarian Republicans would also

979
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: agree with us on this. I don't know if y'all

980
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: have stuff on this, but I just I had to

981
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: get that Lindsey Graham clip in there.

982
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: I was surprised, Yeah, I so, Lindsey Graham was.

983
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 5: Definitely it was in the hearing about online safety and

984
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 5: online bullying, but the NSA a completely different issue. Look,

985
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: this is surveillance capitalism run amuck. And obviously, as Black Americans,

986
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 5: we know that government agencies has always taken license to

987
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 5: spy on us, not just during co Intel pro but

988
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 5: even in recent history during Black Lives Matter, when the

989
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 5: FBI had a whole list of folks that they were targeting.

990
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 5: I think it's interesting how you know people are very

991
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 5: paranoid and you know they won't do Certainly, they won't vote,

992
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 5: they won't take the vaccine, and they won't do other

993
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 5: things because they think people are spying on them. Let

994
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 5: me tell you who's spying on you. This right here,

995
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 5: this phone in your hand. They are collecting all your data,

996
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 5: all your information, and spoon feeding you information on your

997
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 5: Google search, on your navigation page, on your Instagram landing page,

998
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 5: TikTok et, cetera, and so you know, I think technology,

999
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 5: as we've said many times before, is moving faster than

1000
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 5: law and policy, particularly when you think about some of

1001
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 5: the artificial intelligence tools that are feeding some of our

1002
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 5: devices that we engage with every day. Even TikTok, this

1003
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 5: is not a business that was born here in America.

1004
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 5: I'm the owners of TikTok's are Chinese, and so there

1005
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 5: are features on TikTok that monitor how even your finger movements.

1006
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 5: They monitor how you hold your device, how you tap

1007
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 5: your device. Now, it might not matter if somebody is

1008
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 5: watching your ten year old now, but when that ten

1009
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 5: year old becomes a thirty year old and they work

1010
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 5: for the NSA and people are collecting their data, it

1011
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 5: matters a great deal. So, you know, I wish I

1012
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 5: had a solution, but I appreciate you bringing this up,

1013
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 5: Angela and waving a huge red flag. But this is

1014
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 5: something that's happening and certainly something that we need to

1015
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 5: pay attention to and get ahead of these government agencies

1016
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 5: before they get too far ahead of us.

1017
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: Well, Lindsey Graham could pass some laws number one, but

1018
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 3: until we get that done, he could begin his care

1019
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: and concern by stop being in an online bully harasser himself.

1020
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 3: It's hard for me to take him seriously when he

1021
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 3: uses these very same platforms to go individually after people,

1022
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: you call for violence, and states and the nations across

1023
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: the world to threaten other political leaders for whom he disagrees. So,

1024
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: while y'all are working on the law, could you, at

1025
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: least I don't know self, govern and start to exhibit

1026
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: what it means to be a responsible user of this information,

1027
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: not just an abuser when it suits you and Zuckerberger, y'all,

1028
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: I'll just restate this, which is, let's not get the

1029
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: enemy twisted. It isn't left and right Republican man next

1030
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: to the Democratic woman. Corporate interests turn those groups on

1031
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: and off at their pleasure. They create divides at their pleasure.

1032
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: They create wedges at their pleasure, because what they understand

1033
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: is that the matrix that they have built is resilient.

1034
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 3: It is intended to produce a certain outcome and to

1035
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: keep the powerful as powerful as they can be. They

1036
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: see nothing. They are ungenerous with it. And so I

1037
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: love to go after individuals and parties who do there whatever.

1038
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: But the real enemy here is the corporate interests who

1039
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 3: have always been at the center of the design of systems. Well,

1040
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: they built the system to be resilient. It will not

1041
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 3: break because they have tried and true methods like won't

1042
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 3: you sick this group against this group, won't you sell

1043
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 3: this to this group? And we got to create these

1044
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: environments where you keep us the some of us, Heather

1045
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: McGhee separated, So I you know, thank you, Lindsey, appreciate it,

1046
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: practice what you preach. Okay, Oh we needed that Miami,

1047
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: that South that base, South City Base. Okay, We're luking

1048
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: trita what you need and trick when you need them.

1049
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: So speaking at a bounty, we're going to questions from

1050
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: the audience. So we only have one left because as

1051
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, we've done such a wonderful job at integrating

1052
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: them this time. So we're gonna pause here for a

1053
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: questions for the audience.

1054
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 6: Hello Native Land Podcast. My name is Norvel. I'm a grandfather,

1055
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 6: got two granddaughters, five children, and.

1056
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 15: I'm a gen answer my question is how do you

1057
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 15: feel technology can help Black America and how do you

1058
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 15: feel it's going to hinder us if we don't get.

1059
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 6: Involved with it now, especially with the election season in

1060
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 6: full swing.

1061
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: That's real, brother, Leville. I was just doing the math

1062
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: on gen X. I was like, I think I'm one

1063
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 3: of them. These generations can be. It's not the point,

1064
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: I think, hopefully, what he is saying in the use

1065
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: of technology, It's evolved in a whole bunch of ways,

1066
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: not just sitting at a computer and reading articles, but

1067
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: cell phones. How we vote? Should I be able to

1068
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: technology advance to a way where I can vote right

1069
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: from the comfort of my living room, where there are

1070
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 3: states that are exhibiting and some local communities are showing

1071
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 3: how that could work. I'm a huge advocate for our

1072
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 3: aging population to stay connected to technology for as good uses,

1073
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: because let me tell you, the right is using it,

1074
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: and they're using it against a lot of black folks

1075
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: who are on the internet and use technology.

1076
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 8: I know.

1077
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: Angela gave a story the other day I got way

1078
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 3: too many to give where my mother takes screenshots saying

1079
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: you need to contact this person about this bitcoin who

1080
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 3: sent me an email saying you know they had money

1081
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: for me. That folks are using these things for evil

1082
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 3: and they're getting directly to who they're trying to target,

1083
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: and that's you. And what I would say is is

1084
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: certainly as we age, and with elections coming around, we

1085
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: have to check our sources primary source, which means that

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Speaker 3: is a headline like the Atlanta Constitution Journal to tell

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Speaker 3: us that whatever your legitimate sources of news, but you're

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00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: sending me some Facebook ad article, some what have you

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00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: picked up off of? I need sources, need sources, I

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: need this has to be validated some number of places.

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Speaker 3: Don't be giving your social security and all that stuff

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Speaker 3: out over the internet. All I'm saying is the tools

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00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: exist there. They are getting to older folks. We just

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00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: need to teach folks how to best use this so

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00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: it's not weaponized against them. And right now technology is

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00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: being used on both politically for weaponization, but also the

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00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: big bad enemy, the huge, huge, huge top one percent

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00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 3: corporate interests, who has a reason for sending and allowing

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Speaker 3: and not regulating certain things or allowing certain regulations so

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00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: they could get directly to you for this very special purpose.

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00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: But it's no mistake, it's intentional.

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Speaker 5: Yes, can I just I want to just jump in

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Speaker 5: and say it's for younger people on technology. It's also

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00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 5: a big deal black people over index when it comes

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Speaker 5: to using technology, particularly social media. And so if we're

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00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 5: over indexing there. I would love to see more people

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Speaker 5: pursue fields of study in STEM learn to code, learn

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 5: to design, learn how you can benefit financially from something

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Speaker 5: that you enjoy doing. And there are increased amounts of

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Speaker 5: programs that support for young folks who want to pursue

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Speaker 5: studies in the areas of science, technology, engineering, and.

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Speaker 3: Math and pursue it with an intention toward the greater good,

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Speaker 3: achieve some good.

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Speaker 2: We have one more audience question, high Native Lampid.

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Speaker 16: My name is Tina West and I'm from Detroit, Michigan,

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00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 16: and my question is how are we going to engage

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Speaker 16: the younger generation and encourage them to show up and

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Speaker 16: vote in the twenty twenty four election cycle. A couple

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Speaker 16: of things. Everyday work in black folks, young folks, they

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Speaker 16: are not feeling any of the effects of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: It's hard out here.

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Speaker 16: And then they sit on their phones and they see

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Speaker 16: the genocide that's happening overseas at the hands of Israel,

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Speaker 16: and they hear Biden saying that he's going to support them.

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Speaker 16: How do we shift the focus on what is important

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Speaker 16: here at home and encourage these people to get out

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00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 16: and vote for their interests. How can we engage them.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm happy that she brought up what's happening in Israel,

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00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 5: because I wonder does the administration understand the why vast

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Speaker 5: impact this has had on their voting base. You know,

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00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 5: it's hard to look at the imagery that we see

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00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 5: and not have some sort of disdain on what is

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Speaker 5: being allowed to take place and happen in Gaza. Regardless

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Speaker 5: of where you stand on this divide in this issue,

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Speaker 5: it is to me an issue of just humanity, and

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Speaker 5: I think for people of color, it's hard to look

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Speaker 5: at this and not identify with those people who we

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Speaker 5: would call oppressed and oppressed people. And the bloody, gory

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01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 5: violence this week. The latest video I saw was a

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Speaker 5: grandmother who had been invited to safety walking with her

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01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 5: grandson waving a white flag and you see her get

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Speaker 5: gunned down. It's hard to see that imagery and not

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01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 5: be outraged about it. So I at least want to

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01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 5: show up and first validate young people for feeling that

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01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 5: way and seeing that, and we understand that, and we

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01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 5: won't be one of the people who are going to

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 5: spin in your face and try to convince you as reigning. No,

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Speaker 5: that is real and you have every right to be outraged.

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Speaker 5: I want to push back, however, on this notion that

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Speaker 5: gen Z does not benefit from the Biden administration. I

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Speaker 5: think we have to do a better job at informing

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01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 5: voters across every demographic, every age group we are benefiting

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01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 5: from Democratic led policies, from Democratic push policies. I think

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01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 5: we have to consider the states you live in. Often,

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 5: when the federal government gives money, the local government controls

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01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 5: how that money is issued or spent. And so when

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01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 5: Democrats vote for something, you know, a boost in federal

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01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 5: funding that gets the states if you have a Republican

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Speaker 5: governor controlling the purse strings, and that money does not

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01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 5: always get to where it needs to get to, especially

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Speaker 5: for people who look like us. I would hold up

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Speaker 5: Mississippi as a perfect example of that with Tate Reeves,

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Speaker 5: and look at what's happening with La Mumba down there

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Speaker 5: in Jackson and their water system. So that's a top

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Speaker 5: topic for another day. But I just remember, young folks,

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Speaker 5: there are plenty of policies coming out of the Biden administration,

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01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 5: from infrastructure to the employment rate that are that are

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Speaker 5: impacting you. And also remember those down ballot races and

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 5: issues that impact you to from ballot initiatives to your

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 5: city council, to your school boards, your local government. So

1171
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 5: if you don't participate in this process, you cannot shape

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Speaker 5: them mindocracy to your liking.

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Speaker 2: Guess what we have this. I've been waiting for this

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Speaker 2: the whole time. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: We have someone who's already such a fan, such a

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Speaker 1: part of the Native Lampire community that they submitted a song.

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Speaker 1: And it's not a traditional Q and A, but we

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Speaker 1: were gonna take this moment really quick to play a

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Speaker 1: song that was submitted, a little Native Lampire jingle from

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Speaker 1: Daniel Lawrence, who I believe is a constituent of our

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Speaker 1: good friend Ayanna Presley. He resides in the Roxbury neighborhood

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Speaker 1: in Boston, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 13: Let's roll that bang, Welcome Home with the Natives, landing

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01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 13: on the podcast Things six of a Breakness sixty minutes

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01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 13: or so. Hit not too long for the graphigh level

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01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 13: politics in a way that you can taste it, then

1187
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 13: digested politics such a shoe waven if you don't touch it.

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01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 13: Getting Beth to across the tees and doctor I skill

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Speaker 13: him back to get him standing on business. Will ri

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Speaker 13: you could have been anywhere to play podcast. So bringing

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Speaker 13: the trust.

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Speaker 2: Let me just let me just stand up, Let me

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Speaker 2: just stand up. I'm just standing on. I'm standing on

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Speaker 2: with you. Got back down.

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Speaker 1: Y'all can't see me standing up anything, speaking, standing speaking

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Speaker 1: our centerments. We got another ad break, and after the

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Speaker 1: ad break, our brother Andrew Gillam sharing this testimony.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Okay, we're back.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, thank you, Thank you, Thank you, sisters, and to

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Speaker 3: our amazing audience, thank you as well for listening and supporting.

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 3: And last week Tiffany and La has some sympathy for

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 3: my post construction mouth. Mostly they were looking at my

1203
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 3: odd expressions. I guess throughout I didn't see it didn't

1204
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: bother me. It's okay, but it was painful. And I'm

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01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 3: thankful for y'all's grace and their grace and allowing me

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Speaker 3: to to start to ump. I love y'all back, to

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Speaker 3: start to unpack a little bit of my own personal

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Speaker 3: story and what has allowed me to arrive at this moment.

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Speaker 3: And before I sort of dive in, I I want

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Speaker 3: to just set the stage that part of my sharingness

1211
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Speaker 3: is actually I can say that what it's not about one.

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Speaker 3: It isn't about explaining to anybody anything just.

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Speaker 17: Because you're curious.

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Speaker 3: It isn't about me feeling forced to do so by

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Speaker 3: anyone for anything, for any money. It isn't about explaining

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01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 3: for the per purposes of anyone understanding, even because I

1217
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 3: know that explanations doesn't necessarily lead to an understanding. And

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01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: it isn't about addressing haters and others who have opinions

1219
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: of you that will not change. May not change because

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01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 3: I have long ago suspended with the fact that people's

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Speaker 3: opinions of me and my business, They've got to interrogate

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Speaker 3: why that is. And I hope this doesn't sound bymbassy

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Speaker 3: to anybody, but I want to be very clear that

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Speaker 3: my reason for wanting to share more about my walk

1225
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Speaker 3: and my experience is out of hope that through sharing

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Speaker 3: that there are individuals who may be going through, have

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Speaker 3: gone through, or whether they know it or not, will

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Speaker 3: go through. That there are so many of us who

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Speaker 3: stand on the other side of that journey, and I

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Speaker 3: know there'll be many, many, many more life lessons for

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Speaker 3: me to learn from. I am I am thankful to God,

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01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 3: and it's taken me some time to get here. For

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Speaker 3: taking what others may have meant for bad and destructive,

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Speaker 3: and I'll just say it, for my death may have

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Speaker 3: been the exact things that conspired for my resurrection, and

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Speaker 3: so to God be the glory for that. Many of you, all,

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Speaker 3: of course, heard about what happened in Miami. If you

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Speaker 3: didn't know me from running for governor, but you heard

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01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 3: about me running for governor, you didn't see me and

1240
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Speaker 3: my post selection work on CNN or traveling or public speaking.

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Speaker 3: What you know and last got updated about was a

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Speaker 3: hotel room and pictures that looked salacious and my inviting

1243
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 3: in folks to my bisexuality. But what you should know

1244
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 3: is that while Miami was loud and explosive and eye catching,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't the beginning of the bottom mean for me.

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Speaker 3: It was me really hitting a rock bottom after many, many,

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01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 3: many many years of work toward a thing, and then

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01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 3: to not reach that goal, and to have a lot

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Speaker 3: of pain and agony around really all of it, but

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Speaker 3: nowhere to put it. You start to put it on yourself,

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Speaker 3: and it becomes incredibly self destructive. So let me stop

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Speaker 3: by saying politicians are oftentimes demonized because they run for office,

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01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 3: and people those politicians, and so there's a thing that

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Speaker 3: you expect from us, how we show up, what we say,

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Speaker 3: how inauthentic we may be. Well, I've lived too much

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Speaker 3: of life at this point and experience too much for superficial,

1257
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 3: hype up, superficial really anything. I just want it real.

1258
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Speaker 3: And so you should know that I got into public

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Speaker 3: service from a very very very young young age, and

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Speaker 3: I was one of those kids, if you let my

1261
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Speaker 3: mom tell it, one of seven kids, you know, grew

1262
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Speaker 3: up in poverty, buying large economically down in Miami Dade,

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Speaker 3: Miami Richmond Heights, shout out. But my mother would joke

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Speaker 3: as she tells stories of my childhood about how I

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Speaker 3: would run around with penny loafers on after I got

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Speaker 3: out of school, and I was particular about making sure

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Speaker 3: my pennies were in there. How I was a very

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Speaker 3: caring person, but often was very much about the plan,

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Speaker 3: how are we going to get this done, How we're

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Speaker 3: going to get this done. And I also told the

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Speaker 3: story when I was running for governor about some of

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Speaker 3: the sadder instances of my growing up where I would

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Speaker 3: see the police show up at the house and my

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Speaker 3: mom would start crying hysterically because she'd been told that

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Speaker 3: one of my brothers had been locked up or got

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Speaker 3: into some trouble of some sort, and she'd have to

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Speaker 3: go down.

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Speaker 17: And see about them.

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Speaker 3: And as the fifth of seven children, all boys and

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Speaker 3: one girl, my baby sister and the first of my

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Speaker 3: siblings to attend college and to graduate, much of the

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Speaker 3: decision for me to go that route, to go the

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Speaker 3: rite of service was I remember trying to commit to myself,

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Speaker 3: if not verbally, to my mother, how badly it hurt

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Speaker 3: me to see her cry in life. I just wanted

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Speaker 3: to make sure that and the things that I did

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Speaker 3: that I didn't make my mom cry for being sad.

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Speaker 3: But if she cried, it was because she was happy

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Speaker 3: and proud, And I didn't want her to be visited

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Speaker 3: by tears and anguish of me getting into some kind

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Speaker 3: of trouble, but tears and joy over the good that

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Speaker 3: I was doing. And so as a kid, I would

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Speaker 3: watch c Span and I remember back in the day

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Speaker 3: Maxine Waters, who was a young young girl woman she's

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Speaker 3: still young in Congress, and she would be down on

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Speaker 3: that floor speaking with all kind of power and strength

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Speaker 3: and declaration and clarity, and I was like, I.

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Speaker 17: Want to be her.

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Speaker 3: I want to know that woman, and that's what I

1300
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 3: want to be when I grow up. Because she was

1301
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 3: talking like I didn't hear black people talk to white men.

1302
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 3: Miss us speak of us such and such and such,

1303
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 3: and you know, goe and on, and I was impressed

1304
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 3: by that power to be able to show up as

1305
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,560
Speaker 3: us without compromising what it looks like, what it sounds like,

1306
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 3: and what the truth is. I ran for student government

1307
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 3: I was in the sixth grade, got elected and served

1308
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: every year through high school all through college, becoming student

1309
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 3: body president of fam you and a member of the

1310
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 3: Board of Trustees, the first student ever to serve on

1311
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 3: that board, and then directly after that into city commission,

1312
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 3: where I got elected to a citywide seat in a

1313
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 3: city that at the time was almost seventy percent white.

1314
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 3: That elected me citywide to the Chilisi City Council, becoming

1315
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 3: the youngest person ever in the history of the city

1316
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 3: to be elected to serve there, where I served for

1317
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, three terms, and then ran for mayor and

1318
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 3: got elected. I say that to say I've been in

1319
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 3: service for a long time. And I say service for

1320
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 3: a reason because I'm almost Pollyannish. I used to be

1321
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 3: giddy about it, not about the position, but about the

1322
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 3: fact that I could show up at a meeting on

1323
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 3: Monday night to deal with I don't know, high utility

1324
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 3: bills and make a decision on that same night that

1325
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 3: by Wednesday would lower people's rates and that they would

1326
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 3: see a system working for them.

1327
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 17: And why that was important to me was because.

1328
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 3: As a child, that will watch my mother make calls

1329
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 3: for help because she was a little low on what

1330
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 3: it was going to cost to make both rent and

1331
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 3: keep the lights on pardon me, okay, And I remember

1332
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: the feeling of feeling helpless because I couldn't do anything

1333
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: to help the situation, and that I was a burden

1334
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: because who was she keeping a roof over the head

1335
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 3: of and who was she keeping the light built on?

1336
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 17: Boy?

1337
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 3: It was us. She was doing what was needed to

1338
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 3: help us get by right, making a way out of

1339
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: no way, which we're all so familiar with in our community.

1340
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 3: But those early imprints have been everything to how I've

1341
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 3: approached governing and politics that this isn't this is not

1342
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: a game. What we're doing here tonight is not a joke.

1343
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: The decisions we're making have real, everyday impact on people's lives,

1344
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 3: so it matters what we do. I say that because

1345
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 3: almost up into this day, that's the kind of feeling

1346
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: I've had about our government and what it can do,

1347
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 3: not all the bad treacherous things that have been done,

1348
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 3: but the good that can be done there. So as

1349
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 3: a true believer, and when I decided to run for governor,

1350
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 3: I made that decision because I was clear about what

1351
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 3: I wanted to do for the people of the state

1352
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 3: of Florida, expertly clear on so many of the issues

1353
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 3: that I saw as a local official that showed up

1354
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 3: at the local level that the state didn't seem so

1355
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 3: hip or tuned to, or maybe they did, and they

1356
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 3: just were making the choice to communicate to me people

1357
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 3: who look like me and were situated similarly, that we

1358
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 3: didn't matter. Medicare expansion, real criminal justice reform, where I

1359
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: would on the trail say that nobody should be judged

1360
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 3: forever by their worst day. Where did that come from?

1361
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 3: That came from the fact that my brother Chuck did

1362
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 3: time for being found guilty of drug sales and at

1363
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: high qualities. And I remember my brother Chuck only as

1364
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 3: a person who was cutting yards at thirteen and going

1365
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 3: through the neighborhood, picking up stuff, I mean, finding any

1366
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 3: way he could to hustle so he could bring some

1367
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 3: cash home to my mom, so she could add a

1368
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 3: little bit more to the pot for what we were

1369
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 3: going to eat. So this out just this man who

1370
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 3: wanted to be a man for not just our host hole,

1371
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 3: but my aunties and others who were struggling. He did

1372
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 3: what he could to make away for them. And so

1373
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 3: the fact that he was being judged by a singular conviction,

1374
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 3: to me, just didn't seem to make sense. And it

1375
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 3: maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. I stand with him,

1376
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 3: But why should we judge him and create policies that

1377
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 3: will keep him locked out on his neck and on

1378
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 3: his knees all the time because of the ways in

1379
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,879
Speaker 3: which we eliminate folks. So when I said you shouldn't

1380
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 3: be judged for everybody your work, it was because I

1381
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 3: believed it, because I had seen it. And y'all, it

1382
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 3: would come to pass that after losing that race for

1383
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 3: governor by zero point four percent difference, the closest margin

1384
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 3: in the history of the state of Florida, I ran

1385
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 3: also instead of choosing to run for reelection as mayor

1386
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 3: of the city of Tallahassee. So for the first time

1387
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 3: in my life as a forty year old man going

1388
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: back to sixth grade, but certainly from the age of

1389
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: twenty three and I'm forty four today, I didn't have

1390
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 3: a title to give me a seat at the table

1391
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 3: where decisions were being made about the things and the

1392
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 3: people I cared about, as I had been able to

1393
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 3: do all of my life up until that point find solutions.

1394
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 3: And the night when I gave my concession, I broke

1395
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: down when I said that I was sorry to the voters,

1396
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 3: that I could bring it home for them. And no

1397
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 3: one wrote that line for me. I knew it for

1398
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 3: myself because the loss was already beginning to feel like

1399
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 3: my skills could no longer be used for good, to

1400
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 3: help lift the community that I cared about, which were

1401
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 3: the people of my state, and particularly those who found

1402
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 3: themselves at the margins of everything always in my state,

1403
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 3: and that I had gotten so close and we just

1404
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 3: couldn't get passed at all. And I started thinking about

1405
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 3: all the things that got in the way of that

1406
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 3: being possible, the fact that I couldn't do anymore, that

1407
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 3: I did everything that I could within my own power,

1408
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 3: to win the race for governor, but all the while

1409
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 3: was haunted by a particular set of headlines around me

1410
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 3: being under FBI investigation and whispers of corruption and corrupt

1411
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: activity on my part, and so on and so forth,

1412
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 3: and everywhere I went, I would have to ask answer

1413
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 3: questions about these things, and I would I I was

1414
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 3: rehearsing and polished enough to say, I'm not worried about it.

1415
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 3: I have no idea, because I knew what my actions were.

1416
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 3: But then to see leaks of information coming out throughout

1417
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 3: the course of the campaign that would again suggest that

1418
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 3: I was doing something unto ward, it became almost too

1419
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 3: much for voters to be able to overcome that, And

1420
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 3: could zero point four percent of voters in a state

1421
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 3: of twenty million where eight million plus people had turned

1422
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 3: out to vote, had been affected by a narrative that

1423
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 3: said that I was a taker in this for the

1424
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 3: wrong reason, corrupt and now trying to swindle the people

1425
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 3: out of Florida so that I could, I don't know,

1426
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 3: just take care of myself, buy some new shoes.

1427
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 17: Whatever that was about.

1428
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 3: I say that all y'all to say that Miami was

1429
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 3: never just Miami me, And if you want to make

1430
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 3: this case in your own life. That thing that you're

1431
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 3: embarrassing shame for is never just that thing. We're not

1432
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 3: people who can be diced up into all these different

1433
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 3: varieties we like to think so, but everything is everything.

1434
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 3: If something impacts you in your walk to become governor

1435
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 3: and you lose, and so on and so forth, it

1436
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 3: contributes to the way you view the next big risk.

1437
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 3: Do you go for that next big thing or are

1438
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 3: you too traumatized by what it felt like to not

1439
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 3: be able to do? And y'all, despite the way that

1440
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 3: I looked in the highlight reel that I tried to

1441
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 3: keep up with and posts over the course of the

1442
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 3: rest of twenty eighteen and through twenty nineteen, I was

1443
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 3: going off the rail, making horrible decisions for myself drinking.

1444
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 3: And understand this whole drinking thing that I wasn't a

1445
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 3: drinker in college, didn't do it in high school, didn't

1446
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 3: the first us the time I smoke, we was in college.

1447
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 3: I can hope I can say that now, But no, hard, no, no,

1448
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 3: no drinking. My daddy was an alcoholic, my grandmother, relatives

1449
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 3: before I knew what that looked like. But I was

1450
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 3: so high on what I was doing being a service.

1451
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 3: I didn't need nothing to take me out of that reality.

1452
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 3: But when you are then faced with another reality that

1453
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: the universe conspires with circumstances to then say you're not

1454
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 3: of service, you get busy, being busy, at least in

1455
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 3: my case.

1456
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 17: To distract from whatever.

1457
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 8: You can.

1458
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 3: Fast forward to Miami, where this all hit ahead publicly.

1459
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 3: I am not going to get into two things that

1460
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 3: I don't know and put out speculation that I can't necessarily.

1461
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 17: Confirm, and so on and so forth. I'm not going

1462
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 17: to do that to you.

1463
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: What I will say is what I came to learn

1464
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 3: about the episode that evening, what I know today and

1465
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: what most people don't know in the public, you know,

1466
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 3: they don't match. And I'm not necessarily in a hurry

1467
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 3: to go and re litigate all of those pieces and parts,

1468
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 3: because in truth, my spiraling from twenty eighteen all the

1469
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: way to March thirteenth of twenty twenty Miami, there were

1470
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 3: too many nights in too many days where I should

1471
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 3: have deserved a lot worse because I made choices that

1472
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 3: should have landed me in a lot worse. I was

1473
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 3: not a model father, not a model leader, not a

1474
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 3: model man, not.

1475
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 17: A model husband and partner and best friend.

1476
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 3: I was the antithesis of all of that by the

1477
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 3: point that I reached that day where I made the

1478
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 3: choice after a work day I did in Miami to

1479
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 3: try to connect with a guy who I knew from

1480
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,799
Speaker 3: from from a number of times before, not during the campaign,

1481
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 3: where we had a special relationship. We'd get together and

1482
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 3: you know, enjoy the company of being around people who didn't.

1483
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 15: Care that you.

1484
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 17: You know, you're not mayor and you're not governor, and

1485
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 17: that you.

1486
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 3: But certainly by my measure, pretty powerless, didn't care about that,

1487
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,919
Speaker 3: but just thought I deserved to have fun.

1488
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 17: And being being on how do you say company that

1489
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 17: was unjudging.

1490
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: And all throughout the time, I wouldn't even bore you,

1491
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't embarrass my family by going through all

1492
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: of mischief that you do when you find yourself at

1493
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: rock bottom. But I will tell you, regardless of the

1494
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: reasons for doing you think they are, there's a big,

1495
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 3: big wound that needs to be healed, and you just

1496
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 3: don't know it, so you're willing to fill it with

1497
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 3: anything that at a time might feel good. I was

1498
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,879
Speaker 3: there on Miami Beach on the afternoon of the eleventh,

1499
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 3: about five, after I finished some meetings, the text a

1500
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 3: friend of mine, Hey, I know you're down on Miami

1501
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: Beach from here in town. Let's get up. I've got

1502
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 3: to go to the airport and pick up a car

1503
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: and pick up my wife and some of my best

1504
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: friends that are coming into town for this wedding this weekend.

1505
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 3: But you know, I'll drop by, We'll get a drink

1506
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 3: and whatever, you know, and I'll get onto the airport

1507
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 3: and I do drop by, and I do get a

1508
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 3: drink at about five thirty maybe six in the evening,

1509
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 3: and we'll need to leave soon after. And the last

1510
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 3: memory I have is having that drink. And the next

1511
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 3: memory I have from that five or six o'clock in

1512
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 3: the afternoon is just around midnight, where I'm awake and

1513
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 3: maybe alert, and I'm sitting on the counter in the

1514
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 3: bathroom surrounded by what must have been maybe six Miami

1515
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 3: Beach law enforcement officers who are all uniformed with their

1516
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 3: cameras and on their bodies, and I am naked, on clothed,

1517
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 3: not even a towel, and I say, why is going on?

1518
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 17: What happened to Da?

1519
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: Da? And they start to say, we're responding to a

1520
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 3: medical call of an overdose. Da da da da. And

1521
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 3: I say, who overdose? Overdose? Of what what's going on?

1522
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 3: And they say, well, your friend and their pills and

1523
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 3: the and I said, what in the world are you

1524
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 3: talking about? And I then say, I'm sorry, but where

1525
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 3: are my clothes? I mean really, I'm coming to my awareness.

1526
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 3: And a higher up turns the corner and comes in

1527
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 3: and he says, one of you go in there and

1528
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 3: grab his clothes, get him a towel, something, you know, decent,

1529
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 3: very sort of you know, just yeah, give him his clothes.

1530
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 3: I said, okay, Well, what time is it, y'all? Because

1531
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: I've got to pick my wife and some folks at

1532
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 3: the airport. It's whatever plass midnight. And now I'm in

1533
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 3: shock because I've lost all this time and I have

1534
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 3: no idea what went on.

1535
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 17: Anyway, fast forward past that, they I get dressed.

1536
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 3: I then say I've got to get back to my

1537
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 3: hotel and get my luggage and then get to the

1538
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 3: airport d D. And the officers say, and I said, no,

1539
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 3: I can uber, where's my face? Somebody gives me my

1540
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 3: fun I can call an uber And this sergeant says,

1541
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 3: oh no, we'll give you a ride, and I thought

1542
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: it was I say, okay, I put my clothes on.

1543
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: We walk out of the bathroom and now it's about

1544
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 3: four higher ups, officers brass and we walked to the

1545
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 3: elevator and down the elevator through the lobby to their

1546
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 3: patrol car and we all get in the patrol car

1547
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: and I tell them where I'm staying, and they seem

1548
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 3: to know where I'm staying, but they take me back

1549
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 3: out of the beach and across the water back to

1550
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 3: my hotel. Well, and I get to the hotel of

1551
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 3: mine and I start they walk me and then they

1552
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 3: want to walk me all the way up to my room.

1553
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 3: I allow them to escort me up and they tell

1554
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 3: me on the drive over, they say, one of those says,

1555
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 3: so listen, this is we know you're married, we know

1556
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 3: you have kids, but I just want you to know

1557
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 3: this is going to be public record because we we

1558
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 3: were responding at first to a medical call, but which

1559
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 3: would have not been public because it's just medical. But

1560
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 3: this was a potential homicide. I said what I said,

1561
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 3: Oh well it didn't, but we had to report it

1562
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 3: as a potential homicide and so it's going to be

1563
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 3: made public at some point tomorrow. So I just want

1564
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 3: you to know, you know, so that you know the

1565
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: people you need to talk to you can do that.

1566
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 3: And I say absolutely, you know, thank you, thank you

1567
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 3: so much. Can you tell me about what time. Can

1568
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,560
Speaker 3: y'all send me the report when it's written so that

1569
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 3: I can see what's in it before it goes Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,

1570
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 3: I say, well, here's my cell phone. We get to

1571
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 3: my out there. They walk me up to the door.

1572
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they're going to come in, but

1573
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 3: I kind of around and I say, thank you. I

1574
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 3: just got to get my luggage. I've got to get

1575
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 3: to the Airbnb. I gotta catch up myne And that's

1576
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 3: the end of it with those folks. But I'm still

1577
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 3: now just totally blurred. But I got to get to

1578
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 3: Jay and my wife and I've got to get to AIRBNBB.

1579
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 3: So I race there and I get there and it's

1580
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 3: early in the morning, and I don't want to wake anybody,

1581
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 3: but I go and I wake one of my guy

1582
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 3: friends and I tell them what I think happened. I

1583
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 3: was like I was at this I went metaphor at

1584
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 3: a hotel I don't know what, you know went down,

1585
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 3: but it wasn't good. I was naked and so on

1586
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 3: and so forth, and he's probably like, what are you

1587
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 3: talking about? But I'm piecing it together, y'all as best

1588
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 3: I can, and I say, I gotta go up, and

1589
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 3: I tell and I gotta tell Jay. I'll let her

1590
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 3: sleep a few hours, but I'll go up. But then

1591
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 3: I go out and I call the cell number of

1592
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 3: the guy who I will not name, that I was

1593
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 3: there to meet because I didn't see him before I left.

1594
01:26:58,280 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 3: I mean, I went from the bathroom, which was right

1595
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 3: by the door were out into the elevators to see

1596
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 3: if he'd answer and I could find out what this

1597
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 3: whole homicide thing was because I was totally unclear. And

1598
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 3: lo and behold he answers when I'm told that the

1599
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 3: homicide was. He almost dying.

1600
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 17: So I'm like, I heard something happened.

1601
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 3: Da da da da, And he's like, yeah, it was

1602
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 3: really bad.

1603
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 17: I was just, you know, knocked out.

1604
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 3: This is a sort of thing. But I'm thinking he's

1605
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 3: fully awaken. He's got his own cell phone and da.

1606
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 10: Da da da da.

1607
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, what if those officers

1608
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 3: never took a statement from me.

1609
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 17: I didn't write anything, and.

1610
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 3: If it was a homicide, why didn't I Why didn't

1611
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 3: I do any of that? Now I'm really confused because

1612
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, I just called the homicidal victim and he

1613
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 3: answered the phone. And now these four guys have taken

1614
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 3: me back to my hotel, but they didn't get anything

1615
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 3: off me. And I don't remember ever taking a blood test,

1616
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 3: a drug test, getting.

1617
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 17: Stuck by a needle. STD said nothing.

1618
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 3: So it's still not making sense. But all I know

1619
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 3: is I made a set of decisions that landed me

1620
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 3: in this situation. And so when Jay wakes up, I say,

1621
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 3: I have to tell you something, and I don't know

1622
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: how you are going to react to it, but let

1623
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 3: me let me finish, because it's really bad. And I

1624
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 3: start to say, what's what? And I start confessing to

1625
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 3: all kinds of things because I don't know what I

1626
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 3: did or what I didn't do, but I know that

1627
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 3: I've been modeled before, and so even if I'm confessing

1628
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 3: to something that I had done before and you needed

1629
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 3: to know it, this was the moment of release because

1630
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 3: everybody will know it tomorrow. And thankfully my wife and

1631
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 3: I she already knew I was bisexual, and so she

1632
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 3: knew that before we got married, and we talked to

1633
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 3: you all that kind of stuff, So there was no

1634
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 3: blind spot here, and I could speak very openly about

1635
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 3: the things, except that what I said that night about

1636
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 3: what had happened I later learned in the days after

1637
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 3: weren't true when we were able to find through a

1638
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,719
Speaker 3: lot of means all the footage from the cell phone

1639
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 3: of the person that I saw there, and then those

1640
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 3: things were able to be provided to me later. But

1641
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to jump the story. Jay takes it

1642
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 3: as best she can, and then I start to tell

1643
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 3: her we've got to be you know, we're there for

1644
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 3: a wedding. In fact, I am going to be presiding

1645
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 3: over the wedding of this friend in two days. That's

1646
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 3: why we're in Miami. And I say to them, we've

1647
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 3: got to tell them. I'm going to help them buind

1648
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,799
Speaker 3: someone else to do this. I do not deserve this honor.

1649
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 3: And I'll pack my things, you know, I'll get out

1650
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 3: of here and hopefully it'll tamp down so that their

1651
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 3: wedding doesn't become, you know, chaos. Ultimately, the couple came

1652
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 3: to me they were. She one of the bride stayed

1653
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 3: at the house that we were at for one night

1654
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 3: and she came to me and she said, we've talked

1655
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 3: and there is nobody else who will marry us. If

1656
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 3: it's not you, we will not get married this weekend.

1657
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 3: Of course, when I'm thinking the worst of myself and

1658
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 3: this is not what I wanted to hear from her.

1659
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 3: I really wanted not to be associated with this big day,

1660
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 3: but I want to know Kneesha gave me.

1661
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 17: A little modicum of humanity when she said that they

1662
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 17: wanted me to do that.

1663
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so now I know I can't just rush away

1664
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 3: from Miami because we got to stay another day because

1665
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 3: this thing has happened. We've got to manage this crisis.

1666
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 3: And the day is.

1667
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 17: A disaster.

1668
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 3: We break the internet, everything just goes Hey why or

1669
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 3: the report I was waiting for someone to send me

1670
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 3: never came. We learned about it from a blogger, a

1671
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 3: right wing blogger on the internet who released it, and

1672
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 3: so my first time reading it was from that as

1673
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 3: a source. So it is sufficient to say that the

1674
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 3: Miami Beach Police someone took a screenshot of their information

1675
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 3: and document and before I was ever notified it was

1676
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 3: given to a right wing outlet, and so the day

1677
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 3: gets shaped by that. But my friends who are with

1678
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 3: me are just trying to keep things confined. The couple

1679
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 3: goes on eventually to cancel the regular ceremony and we

1680
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 3: do a very very very very early beachside ceremony with

1681
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 3: just a few of us. And then there is me

1682
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 3: trying to get out of Miami, and my brother who

1683
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 3: lived in Chicago, flew down to drive Jay and I

1684
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 3: from South Florida back to town. It has to avoid

1685
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 3: just the spectacle of going to the airport and being

1686
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 3: in public. These people were camped out everywhere, and my

1687
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 3: friend Angie Angela put me with a therapist, a practice

1688
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,640
Speaker 3: I had no real belief in before, because I just

1689
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 3: didn't understand the purpose of unpacking stuff with people who

1690
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 3: couldn't help you put it back together. They couldn't solve

1691
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 3: the harm, and they didn't create. They couldn't solve it.

1692
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 3: That was my thinking. But Yadi saw me and saved me.

1693
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 3: I talked to ijan Lea VanZant that day on the

1694
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 3: advice of Van Jones, telling her to give me a call.

1695
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 3: I talked to Tyler Perry that day, and this is

1696
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,799
Speaker 3: where I wanted to make a mention, because he said, Andrew,

1697
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry this happened. I don't know the details.

1698
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 3: I don't know anything, but I'm glad that I'm hearing

1699
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 3: your voice right now. And I'm hating this, but I

1700
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 3: want you to know that you need to think on

1701
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 3: on this moment, what God may have saved you from.

1702
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 3: I thought back to homicide, and I'm thinking, I guess

1703
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 3: the picture. I guess the picture could have looked different.

1704
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 17: I hadn't thought about that.

1705
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 3: He said, I'm sorry for all that you will lose here,

1706
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 3: but who knows what God.

1707
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 17: We're saving you from.

1708
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 3: And we get in the car and we start to

1709
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 3: make the trip, and at different points, I am we're

1710
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 3: pretty much silent on the road. Jay and I are

1711
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 3: in the backseat of this suv. My brother's driving in front,

1712
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 3: and my phone's blowing up. Everyone is reaching out and

1713
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 3: I'm hearing both from good, bad and in in between,

1714
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 3: and I keep having these moments of breakdown, and this

1715
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 3: one moment where I have a breakdown, if you will,

1716
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 3: r J reaches over and she starts to rub my back.

1717
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 3: I am bowed over in the seat, closed tight as

1718
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 3: I can tie as they could be my eyes, maybe

1719
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 3: thinking that if I blinked hard enough when I opened them,

1720
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 3: this will have been a dream. And I hear RJ shuffling,

1721
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 3: and I feel her britty body moving around, and I

1722
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 3: don't know what she's doing, but the silence was interrupted

1723
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 3: by a song coming on through the car speakers.

1724
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 8: And.

1725
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 3: In a moment where RJ had every reason to hate me,

1726
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 3: not want to share a car with me, not a

1727
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 3: car ride when I had, I've just been the most

1728
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 3: undeserving of partners in the world, a bad example of

1729
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 3: her dad, I don't know, a horrible human, but absolutely

1730
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 3: the worst of a spouse. She reached over to me

1731
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 3: and rubbing my back, and the song coming on, just

1732
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 3: in the moment to disrupt a thought that.

1733
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 17: I was having about what it might mean to not

1734
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 17: be here, so that.

1735
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 3: People may not have reason to talk about my wife

1736
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 3: and my kids anymore. And then the voice comes through

1737
01:35:53,600 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 3: and I recognize the song immediately, and the lyrics start

1738
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 3: and it says, you thought I was worth saving, so

1739
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:15,560
Speaker 3: you came and changed my life. You thought I was

1740
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 3: worth keeping, so you cleaned me up inside. You thought

1741
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 3: I was to die for so you sacrificed your life

1742
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 3: so I could be free, so I could be whole,

1743
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 3: so I could tell everyone I know that you thought I.

1744
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 17: Was worth saving.

1745
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 3: And in the moment where I was thinking about not

1746
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:58,520
Speaker 3: saving my life, the singer the lyrics, but most importantly,

1747
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 3: RJ saved my life right there in that moment, because

1748
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:14,560
Speaker 3: I believed for a second that God was saving me

1749
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 3: rather than ending me. And instead of RJ being angry

1750
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 3: and mad, she saw the person who I was, who

1751
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 3: she chose to marry, who was her best friend. And

1752
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,799
Speaker 3: while I didn't understand in that moment the word grace,

1753
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 3: RJ taught me the meeting of grace, which is even

1754
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 3: when you don't deserve it, when you've done nothing to

1755
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 3: earn it, maybe you've done the exact opposite everything to

1756
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 3: lose it, that in this moment you deserve love and humanity.

1757
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 17: And care.

1758
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 3: So I want to thank RJ first and foremost for

1759
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 3: saving me in my life. To then go on and

1760
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 3: to then see how viscerally she was being attacked for

1761
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 3: her decision to stand by me sent me to a

1762
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 3: whole other level.

1763
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 17: Because I could take what people were saying about me.

1764
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 3: I deserved it, I thought, I couldn't understand what would

1765
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 3: cause people to go so horribly against the victim of

1766
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 3: the woman who was as in her right to be

1767
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 3: angry and hate me and as she can, But she

1768
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 3: chose in that moment that we were not gonna make

1769
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 3: big decisions about our men. We were going to deal

1770
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 3: with that, but right now, in this moment, we're just

1771
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 3: trying to save your life. So she showed up. She

1772
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 3: showed up for me. In the days following, I got

1773
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 3: back to Tallahassee, and I had to say goodbye.

1774
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:26,680
Speaker 17: To my three kids because I went to rehab a

1775
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 17: residential center, and this.

1776
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 3: Was at the very start of COVID, and I left

1777
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 3: my wife and my family for a few months to

1778
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 3: try to get better. Because I didn't talk a lot

1779
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 3: about this, but that time caused me to do crazy things.

1780
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 3: But I got to the point where a person who

1781
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 3: was not much of a drinker was hiding whiskey and

1782
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 3: my coffee mug in the morning because I knew it

1783
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 3: was dark and nobody would question me having a coffee

1784
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 3: big and deciding to drink drink, drink, drink, drink as

1785
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 3: much as I could before we went to public events

1786
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 3: so that I could get through them many times, those

1787
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,720
Speaker 3: evenings ending with me not even knowing how I made

1788
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 3: it back to my hotel and to my bed. Being

1789
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 3: at the events one Tiffany and Angelo. We were at

1790
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,839
Speaker 3: Tyler Perr's event, a beautiful, beautiful dedication of his buildings

1791
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, and.

1792
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 17: Being so drunk the night of the.

1793
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 3: Event that Kelly Rowland's at the table, of course, my

1794
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 3: friend Vergil RJ's there, Beyonce and Jay Z are like

1795
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 3: two over, Viola Davis's here, And someone comes around one

1796
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 3: of the celebrities that is there and is talking to

1797
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 3: me and saying, brother, you don't know me, but I've

1798
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 3: been praying for you since.

1799
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 17: And I am practically rolling.

1800
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 3: My eyes because all I know is I needed to

1801
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 3: get out of there. I had been drinking so much

1802
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 3: before we got there to get through the evening, but

1803
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 3: I had over drank, so we didn't stay for the

1804
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 3: great festivities because I told our jad to stay and

1805
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 3: stay with the car. I'll leave the car with her,

1806
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 3: but that i'd take a ober I get home. But

1807
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 3: she left the event that she looked so much forward

1808
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 3: to a beautiful, wonderful event in evening because she didn't

1809
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 3: want me to be by myself in this jounken state,

1810
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 3: and that she was going to see me home. And

1811
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 3: I showed up the next day at CNN with you

1812
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 3: Angela that next morning in Atlanta, and we're all suited

1813
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 3: up and given our best political whatever. And I don't

1814
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 3: think I slept the night before. I was just hung

1815
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 3: over and whatnot. And I think about the times where

1816
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 3: I had friends cover for me, and it was happening increasingly.

1817
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 3: And there's this one time, y'all. I was phoning out

1818
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 3: to Vegas to participate in this big speaking event, and

1819
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 3: I had gotten so sick from my alcohol intake the

1820
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 3: night before that when I landed, I didn't make it

1821
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 3: all the way to the restroom and time, and so

1822
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 3: I had to call my assistant, who was at the

1823
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 3: back of the plane, and see if he could bring

1824
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 3: me something when he got off the hotel plane, I

1825
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 3: mean the airplane to the bathroom.

1826
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 17: That I could be appropriate to be in public.

1827
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,680
Speaker 3: And then we got to the hotel and I threw up,

1828
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 3: and I was sick, and I was supposed to speak

1829
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 3: the next morning. Suffice it to say, after speaking, I

1830
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:31,720
Speaker 3: was supposed to be on a plane right back to

1831
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 3: East keeping my busy schedule. Well, I didn't make that

1832
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 3: speaking engagement that morning. I didn't make that plane. For

1833
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 3: four days, I convalesced in a Vegas hotel room that

1834
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 3: smelled like God knows what because I was that sick

1835
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 3: from my own abuse. So I had to go and

1836
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 3: deal with me. But it was hard being away. I

1837
01:42:56,520 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 3: have not had a drink, and coming March in a

1838
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:04,679
Speaker 3: few months, March twenty twenty four will make four years

1839
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 3: of never having touched an alcoholic beverage again. I, who

1840
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 3: didn't believe in therapy, was introduced to my healing sister

1841
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 3: Yachte through Angela, went to couple's therapy unpacked a whole

1842
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff that I didn't even know was in

1843
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 3: the way. For the first time, I was able to

1844
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:40,760
Speaker 3: admit my grief and devastation from the race and all

1845
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 3: the people I blamed for it and had internalized but

1846
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 3: mostly blaming myself. I tried to make some catharsis with

1847
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 3: all of the bad decision making that got me to

1848
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:57,799
Speaker 3: where I was, and we began to start to repair

1849
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:02,800
Speaker 3: a little bit of the things that I wanted to

1850
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 3: try to make whole, and whether I chose it or not,

1851
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 3: a lot of the distractions removed themselves. A fall from

1852
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 3: grace tends to take care of those kinds of things

1853
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 3: for you. And with the patience of my wife r J,

1854
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 3: the beautiful love of my three children, Jackson, Carolina, and Davis,

1855
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 3: my parents, a praying pastor and friend therapist, and a

1856
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 3: very very small group of people I can count on

1857
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 3: my ten fingers. They nursed me each day back to

1858
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 3: eventually a place where I could get up each day

1859
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 3: without breaking down from embarrassment or shame or what if.

1860
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 3: And I remember saying to my one healer that I'm

1861
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 3: just so worried that I'm not going to be able

1862
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:55,839
Speaker 3: to put it back together.

1863
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 17: Said to me, did you ever consider.

1864
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 3: That when God broke it, he meant for it to

1865
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 3: stay broken, so that would never ever be put back

1866
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 3: that way again? I hadn't thought about that. And then

1867
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 3: we got into the healing of Like I said, I

1868
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:21,440
Speaker 3: admitted to a whole bunch of things and took responsibility

1869
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 3: for a whole bunch of stuff. But in rehab when

1870
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,439
Speaker 3: I had the emergency be pulled over to hear from

1871
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 3: my lawyers and others about the images that were being distributed,

1872
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 3: and then through an extortion attempt, by this same person

1873
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 3: to get tens of thousands of dollars out of me

1874
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 3: and to set threatened to sell these photos to journalists.

1875
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 3: We were able to get a New York journalist who

1876
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 3: was going to buy them, and we were able to

1877
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 3: get the catalog of them, and I started to go

1878
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 3: through them in this therapy period, and I see these

1879
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 3: images of myself in every single one of them that

1880
01:45:55,560 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 3: I see shows me that evening looking lifeless, with no

1881
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:04,759
Speaker 3: movement except that I had been moved around the room, posed,

1882
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:08,839
Speaker 3: and my lifeless looking condition was put in the shower,

1883
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 3: the showers raining down on me, and this person is

1884
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 3: narrating something funny, but I'm not looking like I'm breathing.

1885
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,840
Speaker 3: I was okay with take your responsibility for all of

1886
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 3: these things, because surely, since twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, surely

1887
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 3: I've done some things to deserve whatever happened.

1888
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 17: And even though I can't remember a thing, I deserved it,

1889
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 17: that is a violation I can't even get. I can't

1890
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 17: even process because.

1891
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 3: It hurt me badly to see those pictures. And then

1892
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 3: there was a video, supposedly a sex tape that I

1893
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:55,640
Speaker 3: never looked at, but a woman who worked for me,

1894
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 3: and Rosie shout out to you for this. She and

1895
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 3: Katie Fang, who has a UH show on MSNBC now,

1896
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 3: who was my lawyer during this period. They did get

1897
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 3: the catalog and they did go through it. In this

1898
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 3: video is not even of me. It's of some other

1899
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,840
Speaker 3: some black guy images that were attempted to be sold

1900
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 3: and pass off as me that weren't me, an extortion

1901
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:20,640
Speaker 3: attempt to get thousands and then to re sell them

1902
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:22,560
Speaker 3: to these photo journalists.

1903
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 11: It it.

1904
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 3: It my fear of being hostage to this person and

1905
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 3: whatever machine they had with them. It ends today. You

1906
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 3: can't touch me. There's nothing you can do to me

1907
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,680
Speaker 3: that I haven't already done to myself. And then some

1908
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:48,240
Speaker 3: And what I thank God for Yati for was getting

1909
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 3: me to a place where she could say what happened

1910
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 3: wasn't right, It was a violation, It was foul, and

1911
01:47:55,920 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 3: you didn't deserve it forever to release this idea of

1912
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:09,000
Speaker 3: what I deserved. And like I said, I can cop

1913
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 3: to anything that I knowingly do and participate in.

1914
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 17: And I've been a shitty person a.

1915
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 3: Lot of times, but nothing was sitting right on this

1916
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 3: except what happened and why and and shame for myself,

1917
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 3: but mostly shame because I thought I was going to

1918
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 3: and my generation make it easier for my kids who

1919
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 3: were going to come after me. And it just kept

1920
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 3: visiting me that I just made everything worse. But it's

1921
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 3: a process and we pushed through. And that year was

1922
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 3: hard to celebrate anything, my birthday, mind, whatever, my anything.

1923
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 3: But we got to the point in this whole period

1924
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 3: of time and my periods of recovery, that last year

1925
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 3: r J wanted to you know, we have fits and

1926
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 3: starts of what she wanted to celebrate. Most days she

1927
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 3: wasn't celebrating anything they had to do with me and

1928
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,639
Speaker 3: vice versa, because there was work to do and we've

1929
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 3: been doing the hard work. But we go out for

1930
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:23,560
Speaker 3: Father's Day and she has bought tickets for me and

1931
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 3: the kids and her to go to this special brunch

1932
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 3: and we take this picture on the lawn or the

1933
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 3: place where we have brunch for Father's Day. And I

1934
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 3: started to get this sense that all right, we won't

1935
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 3: be okay. And that's when the next week I get

1936
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 3: a call and the call comes through and it says

1937
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 3: this is agent you know such and such and I

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Speaker 3: calling on behalf of the fbr of government, federal government.

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Speaker 3: And I need to get with you because we got

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Speaker 3: a what is it called a sealed grand jury indictment

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Andrew's harrowing testimony where he talks about United States of

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