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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to save your prediction of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm any Reo and I'm more in vocal Bam and

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Speaker 1: today we have an episode for you about blackberries. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I love blackberries me too. Oh yeah, I'm a

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Speaker 1: big berry person in general.

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Speaker 2: There, she's a big berry person.

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Speaker 1: The fruit, the TV show, the whole package. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Was there any particular reason it was on your mind?

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Speaker 1: I think I like it was kind of like the

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Speaker 1: topic of a fruit or vegetable was sort of do

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Speaker 1: in my weird concept of a schedule for for episode topics,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, what's a good what's a good

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Speaker 1: summer fruit?

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Speaker 2: And we're vegetable and yeah, I realized we had not

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Speaker 2: done an episode on blackberries.

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Speaker 1: So here we are, here we are. Oh, I love them.

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Speaker 1: I love them. When I was a kid, we had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of BlackBerry bushes, like a bunch of them

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Speaker 1: in our backyard, and we would go out in the

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Speaker 1: summer and we would have these buckets and we would

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Speaker 1: just collect all the blackberries and it was just the

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Speaker 1: best thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Like like a freshberry right off of

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Speaker 2: a bush that you just pulled off of a bush

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Speaker 2: is one of the absolute best things on the planet.

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Speaker 1: So yes, yes, and they were so like sweet but

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Speaker 1: tart and was so good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like a little bit warm from the sun.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yes, oh yeah, it's a whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think, like as an adult but

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Speaker 1: also as a kid, it just feels like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: in like, I don't know, some book I've read about

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Speaker 1: them collecting berries on an adventure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I think I talked about this in the blueberry episode.

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Speaker 1: We used to have blueberry just too. They're kind of

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Speaker 1: all gone. I don't know. I'll have to check the

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Speaker 1: BlackBerry bushes are still there because it was a lot

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 2: Sure, blackberries are very prolific, tenacious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to check. I've been meaning to

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Speaker 1: check because I do. I do love them, and they

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Speaker 1: are very expensive. I used to buy them every week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've gotten pricey. Yeah. I had to give it. Like

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Speaker 1: I calculated my budget and I had, like the price

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Speaker 1: of berries is a huge chunk of wow, pretty pretty

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Speaker 1: small amount I was spending every week at the grocery

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Speaker 1: store pre pandemic, so I had to give them all.

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Speaker 1: But I love both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. I will buy them when they're

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Speaker 2: right like in season on sale. That is when I

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Speaker 2: when I go for I totally buy produce based on

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Speaker 2: like whatever cheap that day.

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Speaker 1: We used to make BlackBerry cobbler with ice cream and

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Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite things. Yeah, yes, and one

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Speaker 1: of my Star Wars Nerdy cocktails, the Tattooing Sunrise, just

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Speaker 1: essentially like a French seventy five with rosemary, but then

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Speaker 1: it has two blackberries in it, which are Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty good and I might have one over this holiday

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Speaker 1: weekend right all right?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I could see that working with kumquats too.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ideas, Yes, well, we have done a lot

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Speaker 1: of berry episodes.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I would say, like like pineapple is goind

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Speaker 2: is one that comes to mind as a similar type

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Speaker 2: of fruit.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Like we've done raspberry. I feel like we've

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Speaker 1: done raspberry. I think we have. We did like raspberry

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Speaker 1: brambleberry or something cloudberries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've done some

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Speaker 1: some things there probably we don't know, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: We were like sprinting to the finish this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we also just I mean I feel like we've

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Speaker 2: said it before, but like like I think we both

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Speaker 2: jettison all information like right out the air lock as

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Speaker 2: soon as we.

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Speaker 1: Finished an episode. Yeah, and I just have the vaguest

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Speaker 1: sense of like I remember Jedison that I get. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my friends will ask me like, oh, what were you

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Speaker 1: just working on today, and I'm like, no one knows,

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Speaker 1: could have been anything anyway, But I guess that thanks

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Speaker 1: us to our question. Blackberries, what are they? Well, the

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Speaker 1: BlackBerry is a type of fruit that is not botanically

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Speaker 1: a berry. It is a multiple fruit drupe, which means

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Speaker 1: that it's made up of tiny individual fruits that have

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Speaker 1: all grown smooshed together in a single unit, about the

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Speaker 1: size of like the ball of your thumb, or like

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Speaker 1: the ball of my thumb. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what your thumb is, like your thumb

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Speaker 2: mileage may vary, but yeah, when it's ripe, it has

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Speaker 2: this very thin, delicate, purple black skin encasing flesh that's

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Speaker 2: very soft and juicy, but has like a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a crunch and hee to it overall, because each

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Speaker 2: of those little mini fruits contain a tiny seed, and

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Speaker 2: because the structure that they grew on is stuck inside

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Speaker 2: inside the berry, unlike a raspberry, which comes free of

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Speaker 2: its structure, which is why they're hollow. Yeah, blackberries are sweet,

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Speaker 2: tart and tangy and fruity and like just a tiny

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Speaker 2: bit like floral and fresh tasting. Mostly though they taste

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Speaker 2: like purple. Yeah, yeah, like dark purple. Yeah, not like

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Speaker 2: Grimace purple.

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Speaker 1: That's a different. That's a different and not like grape

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Speaker 1: no soci no no, no, no true purple m hm.

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Speaker 2: And they're just delightful little little like juice multi bombs

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Speaker 2: with a with a really nice contrast of textures. They're

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Speaker 2: like a they're like they're like that friend who is

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Speaker 2: just an absolute marshmallow of a human person on the outside,

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Speaker 2: but they're actually really complex and they have got a

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Speaker 2: dang backbone under all that fluff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because it starts out like really sweet and

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Speaker 1: like soft, and then there's that tartness and kind of

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Speaker 1: texture that comes in. Yeah, it's again, very good one,

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Speaker 1: and shout out to that friend because that friend is

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Speaker 1: always such a good friend. Oh man. Uh Okay that

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Speaker 1: the term BlackBerry does refer to a number of species

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Speaker 1: in the genus Rubus, both wild and cultivated. They're in

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Speaker 1: the rose family, and they grow in these like shrubby, viny,

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Speaker 1: leafy brambles pretty much everywhere temperate, all over the world.

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Speaker 1: The thorny stems are called canes, and they vary a

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Speaker 1: they spend their first year of life like growing a

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Speaker 1: network of canes which can trail to the ground and

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Speaker 1: take root. They grow taproots, which is it's like what

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Speaker 1: a carrot is, all right, Like they're a source of

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Speaker 1: nutrition for the plant over the winter, except you know,

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Speaker 1: in the case of carrots, we eat them instead of

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Speaker 1: letting the plant use it. Yes, suckers, you don't have

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Speaker 1: opposable thumbs or nervous systems. There's nothing you can do

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Speaker 2: Then in a BlackBerry second year, once they're established, they

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Speaker 2: will bloom in little pink or white, five petaled flowers,

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Speaker 2: and each flower contains multiple ovaries, each of which, if pollinated,

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Speaker 2: will start developing into a tiny individual fruit. But they're

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Speaker 2: into a single fruit. That fruit will be oblong, maybe

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Speaker 2: an inch or so, like three centimeters. They're greenish and

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Speaker 2: firm while they're developing. Then they turn like deep blush

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Speaker 2: red when they're unripe and will darken and soften and sweeten, sweeten, sweeten,

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Speaker 2: sure they as they ripe in they're sold fresh or frozen,

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Speaker 2: or processed into pures or juices.

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Speaker 1: They can be eaten.

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Speaker 2: Fresh out of hand or like at a salad, cooked

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Speaker 2: down and strained to make jams or jellies or sauces,

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Speaker 2: either sweet or savory. They can be baked whole or

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Speaker 2: chopped into pies or sweet muffins or other baked goods.

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Speaker 2: The puree can be frozen into sorbets or other desserts.

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Speaker 2: The juice can be made into wine or liqueurs. They

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Speaker 2: can be dried and added to cereals. The leaves and

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Speaker 2: taproots are also used to make teas, but more like

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Speaker 2: medicinally than for funsies I think most of the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: They are also grown as border hedges in some cultures.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I came upon a BlackBerry bramble, I

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Speaker 2: certainly would not try to move through it like that

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Speaker 2: I will say side aside for a moment. I also

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Speaker 2: had at my aunt and uncle's house when I was

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Speaker 2: growing up, they had BlackBerry bushes kind of out out

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Speaker 2: to not cuss in front of my grandmother because she

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Speaker 2: And like, not saying things that offend people is like

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Speaker 2: the easiest baseline human thing to do, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I think that like one of the young only

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Speaker 2: times in my life that I've ever slipped was when

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Speaker 2: we were picking blackberries and I kept sticking myself with

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Speaker 2: the thorns and I'm just going like, damn it, damn it.

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Speaker 2: I still feel bad about it to this day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those things stick with you, you know.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm sure no one else remembers this anyway. Okay, side,

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Speaker 2: what about the nutrition on their own? Any kind of

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Speaker 2: cussing shame aside? Blackberries are pretty good for you, Lots

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Speaker 2: of micronutrients and fiber. You know, they can be on

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Speaker 2: the sugary side. They will help fill you up, but

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Speaker 2: to keep you going, I'd say eat a protein a

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Speaker 2: little bit fat. They are delicious by the way, with

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Speaker 2: something like that. Oh yes, yeah, medicinally speaking. Okay, So,

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Speaker 2: abovey like tea's and stuff for a long time, for

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of different purposes. And they do contain right,

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Speaker 2: a bunch of tannins and other antioxidants which can help

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Speaker 2: prevent negative effects in your body. But you know, savor motto,

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Speaker 2: more research is necessary. Bodies are complicated. Before ingesting a

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Speaker 2: medicinal amount of anything, you should consult a medical health

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Speaker 2: professional who is not us. No, that's not what we are.

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Speaker 2: No never, I just I just eat berries.

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Speaker 1: That's what they said. We do have some numbers for you,

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Speaker 1: we do.

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Speaker 2: Commercial farms can produce some six pounds per acre per year.

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Speaker 1: The US BlackBerry market was valued at thirty one point

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Speaker 1: one million dollars in twenty seventeen, and with some outliers,

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Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty to two thousand and six, about twenty

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Speaker 1: three million pounds of blackberries and I believe specifically produced

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Speaker 1: in the US have been frozen for commercial sale. And

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Speaker 1: this is in part due to how delicate blackberries are

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Speaker 1: and how quickly they go bad, which I'm sure most

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Speaker 1: of us are familiar with the US also imports a

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Speaker 1: lot of blackberries, about one hundred and thirty million pounds

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Speaker 1: fresh largely from Mexico and frozen about twenty four million,

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Speaker 1: largely from Chile. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are so many BlackBerry festivals around the United States.

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Speaker 2: I think I looked at like a dozen before I

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Speaker 2: ran out of steam and like, yeah, so, like okay.

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Speaker 1: One in North.

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Speaker 2: Carolina has a BlackBerry eating contest and a BlackBerry cobbler

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Speaker 2: parade with free cobbler.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how it works. Let us know.

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Speaker 2: Bremerton, Washington has one that draws some twenty five thousand

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Speaker 2: visitors and offers over fifteen BlackBerry themed foods, plus bottles

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Speaker 2: of BlackBerry wine for just fourteen bucks, plus a kid's

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Speaker 2: area called on Your Berry Way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. A new festival this year in Louisiana had a

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Speaker 1: jam and jelly competition and featured BlackBerry dumplings specifically. Another

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Speaker 1: one out in Round Valley, California, is in its fortieth year.

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Speaker 1: They have a car show, square dancing, and what appears

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And it is a serious problem in Australia

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Speaker 2: Mostly as an excuse for food poetry. The children's picture

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like a TAMAGATCHI feel like that

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Speaker 1: makes you anyway, we're going off. We are we are.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, okay, any anyway about we're ostensibly a

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Speaker 2: food show. In two thousand and four, the University of

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Speaker 2: Arkansas released the first cultivars that can fruit in their

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Speaker 2: first year. Yeah, exciting research is ongoing with the BlackBerry absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because they are still Yeah. Like I said, I feel

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Speaker 1: like when I can find them, I have to be

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Speaker 1: very careful because they might already be bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are one of the products that I do

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Speaker 2: inspect pretty carefully because right, yeah, I'll check next time

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Speaker 2: I go home.

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Speaker 1: I want to see there's still yeah. Yeah, definitely report back, yes,

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Speaker 1: m mm hmm. But I think that's what we have

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Speaker 1: to say about the BlackBerry for now. It is.

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Speaker 2: We do have some listener mail for you, though, and

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Speaker 2: we are going to get into that as soon as

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Speaker 2: we get back from one more quick break for a

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Speaker 2: word from our sponsors, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes,

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Speaker 2: thank you, and we're back with listeners. Man, some reason,

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Speaker 2: I always associate blackberries with like sunrise at sunset.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, it's that kind of color palette. You've got

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Speaker 1: that yeah hole and that bright red yeah yeah, just

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Speaker 1: kind of that like being out in the summer and

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Speaker 1: the passage of the sun. Yeah, Jan wrote, he was

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Speaker 1: writing in about my comments about using sugar based weapons

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Speaker 1: in Dungeons and Dragons. Oh yes, Jan wrote, you think

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Speaker 1: so little of your dungeon players, Annie. All my cleric

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Speaker 1: would have to do is conjure up a sleet storm

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Speaker 1: our control weather precipitation, assuming we were outside, that sugar

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Speaker 1: sword would be liquid jello. And second, which is part

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Speaker 1: of the fun of DNN, you think you're being all

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Speaker 1: amazing and brave and cool and then absolutely not to

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Speaker 1: know zero percent. I love it. I never said Ananas

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Speaker 1: was this potential character I was talking about was smart,

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Speaker 1: just that she you know, worked in the kitchen. What

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Speaker 1: could I transfer? Sure, but that would have been very,

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Speaker 1: very funny. That would have been pretty hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I oh man right, Ye, some folks who are

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Speaker 2: running like a like a weird like Candyland based game, and.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like something that we should absolutely get into. Yeah. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we talked about it. I think we have too much

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Speaker 1: on our plates for now, but we did talk about

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Speaker 1: doing like a one off food yeah, D and D

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Speaker 1: campaign podcast, So it could be possible she'll show up

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Speaker 1: and I would I would love to play a character

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Speaker 1: who honestly thought, like, this is the coolest thing. That's

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Speaker 1: good idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sugar is the scariest thing, so therefore making weapons

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Speaker 2: out of sugar is.

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Speaker 1: The scariest thing. Yeah, and then it just starts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like it. It'd be fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness, Kirsten wrote, the swordfish episode reminded me of

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Speaker 2: two stories I must share, neither of which involved swordfish. Coincidentally, though,

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Speaker 2: both involve my grandmother's any story about learning that the

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Speaker 2: family's prize trophy fish wasn't the fish she thought it

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Speaker 2: was reminded me of a similar moment I had with

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Speaker 2: my Grammy's famous pumpkin pie. After hyping it up for

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Speaker 2: days that I was going to make my grammys very

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Speaker 2: special and superior pumpkin pie for a work Thanksgiving pot luck,

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Speaker 2: I found out the truth. I was poised, pen and

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Speaker 2: paper in hand, standing outside the grocery store when I

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Speaker 2: called Grammy to finally learn the secret family recipe. She

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Speaker 2: started off by telling me, Okay, so first you find

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Speaker 2: the Libby's canned pumpkin. This is very important. It must

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Speaker 2: be the Libby's canned pumpkin. She paused for a dramatic effect,

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Speaker 2: and then you turn it over and follow the recipe

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Speaker 2: on the back of the can. Earth shattering, But I

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Speaker 2: stand by it. It's still the best pumpkin pie I've

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Speaker 2: ever had. Next, the listener mail at the end of

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Speaker 2: the Swordfish episode about biscotti blasted a deeply buried childhood

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Speaker 2: memory to the top of my mind. My bubby always

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Speaker 2: had a tin of piscotti in the kitchen. The plain

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Speaker 2: ones repulsed me as a small child, but I loved

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Speaker 2: the chocolate dipped ones, or actually just the chocolate. I

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Speaker 2: vividly remember sneaking into the kitchen, carefully eating all the

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Speaker 2: chocolate off of multiple biscottis and putting the chewed up

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Speaker 2: chocolate list piscatti back in the tin. No idea if

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Speaker 2: anyone ever realized what was happening, but it must have

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Speaker 2: been pretty gross to go for a treat and find a.

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Speaker 1: Soggy, chewed up piscotti in the tin.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, uh okay, ps, it's mango season in Miami again.

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Speaker 2: Pictures of some of this year's hall and utilizations of

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Speaker 2: said mangoes attached. Also a few pictures of my cats,

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Speaker 2: as Swiper, who once a whole tin of muffins and

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Speaker 2: Mozzi Mosy who was all almost named some moores for

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Speaker 2: her colors. Since I know you guys enjoy furry friend pictures.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh my goodness. My gray cat is always interested

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Speaker 1: in what I'm eating, but once he realizes it's not

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Speaker 1: like salmon, he's not interested in it anymore. But I

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Speaker 1: have known cats, yeah, who would like take anything like

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Speaker 1: hot dog buns, like whole avocado, like like anything. Mm

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Speaker 1: hmmm hmm. Well, I mean maybe maybe a lesson has learned,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like I've done that as a human

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Speaker 1: and had time. Yeah, but who knows. Also, yes, Mango season,

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Speaker 1: I feel like one of the pictures attached was a

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Speaker 1: mango and rice and a rice wrapper, which I was

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Speaker 1: just saying. I had a bunch of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Yes.

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Speaker 1: I do appreciate your story about the pumpkin pie. I

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Speaker 1: know I've said it before. That is an episode of

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Speaker 1: Friends told Oh. But also I had a similar thing

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Speaker 1: with I would make these I always knew they were

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Speaker 1: Duncan Hines, but I would make these Duncan Hines brownies

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Speaker 1: in high school. I mean, I guess, thank you, but

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Speaker 1: people assumed they were made from scratch. Oh, huh. And

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Speaker 1: they asked me for the recipe, and I was kind

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Speaker 1: of like, do I lie about this or do I

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Speaker 1: tell them it's just yeah. I think eventually I was

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Speaker 1: just kind of like, it's from a box, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can. I can show you which kind of Duncan

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Speaker 1: Hines I get that. I can tell you, like the

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Speaker 1: specific because Duncan Hines a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: box things do this, but I can tell you the

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Speaker 1: specific like egg ratio I use, Oh okay, sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's like one of two options, yeah, cakey or chewy,

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Speaker 1: so right, And then my mind on one of her

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Speaker 1: like most requested desserts is the Hershey's Chocolate Pie, which

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Speaker 1: is essentially just melted Hershey's and whip cream. But it's

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Speaker 1: so good. Oh sure, So I stand by you, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's a reason that they have these recipes on

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Speaker 2: the back of these products because they work right right.

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Speaker 1: And I would theorize as I emailed back, that people

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Speaker 1: did know what was going on with these chocolate lists

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Speaker 1: Piscatti and maybe didn't say anything about it, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like somebody had to, oh yeah, which I love.

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Speaker 1: I love that because I love when you can tell

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Speaker 1: someone has been in a place based on the food

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Speaker 1: that is there or the food that is missing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's great. But yes, thanks

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Speaker 1: to both of these listeners for writing and if you

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Speaker 1: would like to write to us you can. Our email

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Speaker 1: is hello at savorpod dot com and we are also

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