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Speaker 1: Park because something wanta watch. The show was on Sci Fi.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that here in a while. We got
Speaker 1: a lot of news to get into. I do want
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Speaker 1: the show we got I don't want I don't usually
Speaker 1: like to talk too much about ratings because nine times
Speaker 1: that attendants are relevant. But I do want to get
Speaker 1: it out of the way early because this Raw rating
Speaker 1: is gonna come in this afternoon ain't gonna be good
Speaker 1: at all. And I do not want to hear people
Speaker 1: talking about how oh the ship is sinking. No one
Speaker 1: cares about wrestling. I don't want to hear any of
Speaker 1: that shows on sci Fi. So we'll tell you about
Speaker 1: the end. We've got the Winter Olympics, which affected both
Speaker 1: SmackDown I Rampage. This week we got notes on next
Speaker 1: week's raw, Rhonda Rousey talking about the fans, n x
Speaker 1: T tonight and tons more back in the moment Observer
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Speaker 1: So what about an hour we're gonna get those raw
Speaker 1: ratings and uh likely it's gonna be whole the show
Speaker 1: aired on sci Fi and uh, the Winter Olympics obviously
Speaker 1: pre emptions. It's gonna take a massive tool on all
Speaker 1: of these shows. So if you go on social media
Speaker 1: and seas somebody talking about how oh this is failing,
Speaker 1: this is sinking the Nah, It's just this happens. SmackDown
Speaker 1: two point one five one million viewers, which actually it's
Speaker 1: not bad, down three percent from the previous week, but
Speaker 1: it was the lowest audience they have drawn since Christmas
Speaker 1: Eve and the lowest number for live show since December
Speaker 1: ten point five one in eighteen forty nine lows since Christmas.
Speaker 1: They were head to head with the Winter Olympics. We
Speaker 1: had Rampage five dred and forty thousand Down ten percent,
Speaker 1: second lowest audience for the show so far in two
Speaker 1: eighteen to forty nine a point to oh lows and
Speaker 1: the demo since December thirty one. It was up against
Speaker 1: the Winter Olympics. Then of course we had RAW last night,
Speaker 1: and because of the Winter Olympics, Raw was moved to
Speaker 1: I FI and my God. They were determined to try
Speaker 1: to not do the lowest number ever because they did
Speaker 1: the one hour commercial free gimmick first hour no commercials
Speaker 1: and uh oh, my god and insufferably long hour and
Speaker 1: they didn't have commercials, but it was like the I
Speaker 1: put commercials in quotation marks. They they had what they
Speaker 1: do on Peacock, which is if you if you pay
Speaker 1: four nine you get commercials like I don't have. I
Speaker 1: don't pay the fort nit nine tier because I'm rich,
Speaker 1: but I think they are like, you know, a car
Speaker 1: commercial or whatever, and so I I splurge for because
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch commercials, and instead I see
Speaker 1: some random, you know video for Omas. Oh, here's Omas
Speaker 1: growing up or whatever, and it's like, what a waste
Speaker 1: of time. It's pointless. So you're getting commercials one way
Speaker 1: or the other. And they had video packages and video
Speaker 1: packages and blah blah blah blah blah. But still it
Speaker 1: was like that hour fell like three hours and then
Speaker 1: there was two more hours. But anyway, the point is
Speaker 1: they're trying to avoid getting the lowest rating of all time,
Speaker 1: and maybe they won't. I guess we'll find out. But
Speaker 1: tonight also we have got also on sci Fi, we
Speaker 1: have n x T two point oh and bro, nothing
Speaker 1: saving this show. I mean, we got Mandy Rose Kaylee
Speaker 1: Ray for the n x T women's title, and I
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think it's impossible that Kaylee
Speaker 1: Ray beats Mandy Rose for the title, But I guess
Speaker 1: we'll find out tonight. Rose experiment and would be over
Speaker 1: then if that case, Bro, that Manny Rose experiment was
Speaker 1: over for me when I watched that show last week,
Speaker 1: and it looked like it was over for her to
Speaker 1: like she was just done with it. But we got
Speaker 1: braun Breaker Santos Escobar in a championship summit. We got
Speaker 1: m s K versus Malik, Blade and Dress and No
Speaker 1: Fee in the Dusty Classic semifinal, Creed Brothers versus Grizzled
Speaker 1: Young Vets in a uh Dusty uh semifinal. In the match.
Speaker 1: I'm going to like the most Sarai and Dakota Kai,
Speaker 1: Wendy Chi and Tiffany Stratton, l A Knight and uh
Speaker 1: and Songa. Uh. You know. I didn't want to say, however,
Speaker 1: that I really like the team of Eddress, No Fey
Speaker 1: and Mallik Blade outside the Ring. Okay, this is the problem.
Speaker 1: This is the problem everybody with this show. Okay, there
Speaker 1: are people on this show, on this n x T
Speaker 1: two point oh that actually are like really great characters,
Speaker 1: like uh, what's his name? The no the gangster, Well,
Speaker 1: Trick too, he's awesome as well, but uh, Tony D'Angelo, dude,
Speaker 1: it's a goofy gimmick, but like he doesn't really well.
Speaker 1: And backstage Malik Blade and Eddress and no Fay, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're very, very fun, charismatic characters. And uh, who did
Speaker 1: you mention? Oh yeah, Trick Trick Williams, you know, fantastic talker.
Speaker 1: But they're all greener, absolutely greener than grass. And what
Speaker 1: happened to lash Legend? Like I even liked her segments
Speaker 1: of all things Greener than grass? So that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Like you you you want to watch these characters, but
Speaker 1: then they get in the ring, it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like dude, but that's that's the that's what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even f c W. It's like you're exposing these people
Speaker 1: on national television long before they're ready. I know it,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't help them. And that's been my thing
Speaker 1: from day one with a lot of this is how
Speaker 1: is this going to help people? When your braun breaker
Speaker 1: like one is enough like and he had natural gifts
Speaker 1: in a background and all that stuff, and still it
Speaker 1: takes a long time to really get it as great
Speaker 1: as braun Breaker is, you know, months into his career
Speaker 1: or whatever it's been now weeks into his career, you know, combined,
Speaker 1: so you know, one is another Grayson Waller. To have
Speaker 1: all of these other people like that, it just doesn't
Speaker 1: do anybody any good. And I do want to rewind
Speaker 1: back to hold on before you do that. I want
Speaker 1: to throw in Grayson Waller here because he's not as
Speaker 1: green as the other guys, and with the right opponent,
Speaker 1: he can have a good match. But he carries himself
Speaker 1: like a superstar and he's he's a great talker, but
Speaker 1: you know, being able to be carried by AJ styles,
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, unless your name is Omas. Mike could
Speaker 1: be carried by a j styles, so he's still got
Speaker 1: a waste to go. But I do like Grays and
Speaker 1: Waller as well. And on the women's side, who do
Speaker 1: you have to carry that load? You know? I guess
Speaker 1: it's EO, you know, for right now, But it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating on that side of the ledger too,
Speaker 1: because you see women's wrestling everywhere else and you see
Speaker 1: they have really talented women like Saray. There's a reason
Speaker 1: that they signed her, Like Kaylee Ray, there was a
Speaker 1: reason that they signed her. And are they maximizing them?
Speaker 1: Are they getting them ready for stardom or an even
Speaker 1: like that? No, they absolutely aren't, unless you mean they're
Speaker 1: getting ready to them ready for stardom because once their
Speaker 1: contracts up, they can leave and go to stardom. And actually,
Speaker 1: you know where I hope Tony Storm ends up. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what the status is with her and
Speaker 1: her contract or anything like that, but boy, that's a
Speaker 1: name I would like to see back in that mix,
Speaker 1: you know, in Japan, as opposed to what she was
Speaker 1: doing in w w E where frankly, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: when you look at that whole roster men or women
Speaker 1: like that's as much as you can try to aspire
Speaker 1: her to. In some cases is Tony Storm. You make
Speaker 1: it to the main roster and they forget about you,
Speaker 1: or they don't know what to do with you, or
Speaker 1: they embarrass you or whatever it is. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's such a mess right now, it really is.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are are fans of
Speaker 1: coraa Jade and everything like that, and it's nothing personal
Speaker 1: to the actual course I've talked about her character on
Speaker 1: this show. Her character on this show is so dumb
Speaker 1: and a loser. That's her character. So they're getting it
Speaker 1: ready for the main roster that way, because that's what
Speaker 1: they're filled with a bunch of. Now. The only thing
Speaker 1: they have to teach her is how to be bad
Speaker 1: with money to complete all of the cycles that they
Speaker 1: have up there, you know, when it comes to their people.
Speaker 1: The thing with core Jay does there's another great example
Speaker 1: of somebody who's got, you know, some experience, and she's
Speaker 1: somebody that you should be pushing and being really careful
Speaker 1: with and really building up and establishing. And they're not.
Speaker 1: They're doing exactly what they're actually doing on the main roster,
Speaker 1: which is just embarrassing her and beating her like that's
Speaker 1: actually going to help her, like she's going to overcome something.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's ridiculous. Look a Live Look a liv Morgan,
Speaker 1: the Live Morgan thing from last night. She had a shot.
Speaker 1: She's all done. If I'm being honest, that laws almost
Speaker 1: broke me. But it didn't. What even the stuff they
Speaker 1: give her. And that's the other thing too, is how
Speaker 1: are these people ever going to develop? They when you
Speaker 1: never get a chance to figure out who you are
Speaker 1: and you are given something and then said you have
Speaker 1: to be in this box, learn how to to be
Speaker 1: in this box, you never you never actually are able
Speaker 1: to express yourself. The fans really liked Live Morgan. They
Speaker 1: really are attached to her. But the more it goes on,
Speaker 1: the more it slips away because they give her dialogue
Speaker 1: she can't do. That doesn't sound like it's coming from her.
Speaker 1: The dialogue they do give her that she's trying to
Speaker 1: fumble out is always bad. It's always you know, her
Speaker 1: overcoming because she lost, and it's like she's a loser
Speaker 1: that talks about being a loser. But if she gets
Speaker 1: that one more chance, and it's like, how are you
Speaker 1: building any support for her? How are you getting any
Speaker 1: swell behind her? And unfortunately most of the characters are
Speaker 1: like that. They're so overly flawed in their mess. They
Speaker 1: don't know how to build baby faces. It's that simple.
Speaker 1: Is it true that they sent Live Morgan to the
Speaker 1: local cricket store before riot? Is that actually true? And
Speaker 1: then they beat her on the show? I mean, it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be surprised. But I'm gonna talk about Denver. They
Speaker 1: didn't crush anybody with him. That's a guy who could
Speaker 1: use a win that people pop for. He could have
Speaker 1: murdered somebody on that show and he didn't get to
Speaker 1: run a second. But I got a preview for tonight's
Speaker 1: Toga Party. I'm gonna talk about these characters because we're
Speaker 1: watching Raw from and there were a lot of dumb
Speaker 1: characters coming and going. I'm gonna talk about these characters
Speaker 1: I had. I had. My mind was blown when I
Speaker 1: watched Menia nine in the Filthy Observer live. Well, let's
Speaker 1: do this Raw report, everybody, Let's get this out of
Speaker 1: the way. I mean, the first semeon of the show
Speaker 1: was absolutely fantastic. The quiz Bowl because everybody involved in
Speaker 1: the quizzble Is is fantastic and even believe it or not,
Speaker 1: like when they turned Otis heel and they took away
Speaker 1: everything that was awesome about him as a baby face
Speaker 1: like you, you blokes are out of your mind. He's
Speaker 1: not back there yet, but he is now. He's gotten close.
Speaker 1: He's gotten close. So I'll give it to Otis. Chad
Speaker 1: Gable is fantastic. Randy Orton and Riddle both play. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say they're characters, but they're just both you
Speaker 1: know themselves, and they're fantastic in these And you know what,
Speaker 1: this dork, Kevin Patrick is the greatest dork. I love
Speaker 1: this guy. Don't call him a dor. They only hire you.
Speaker 1: He said, you don't know anything about real sports. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you what he has been. He's been a
Speaker 1: thorn in the side of a lot of people. You
Speaker 1: remember that, especially Kevin Owens and people like that. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he is because Jim Gray, that's
Speaker 1: who he to me, he is modeled after almost to
Speaker 1: a t, the way he was rolling up on people
Speaker 1: asking him questions after they lost in being that guy
Speaker 1: who was a thorn in the side of people, he
Speaker 1: hasn't gone full geek Byron, so out Kevin Patrick. Second,
Speaker 1: just because you're gonna you can't compare him to Byron Saxon.
Speaker 1: And then CONFU, who are you comparing this poor guy too?
Speaker 1: Who do you think? Have you ever watched him? They
Speaker 1: only hire you if you're a dork, and that's what
Speaker 1: they do. They hire him maybe a dork and he's
Speaker 1: a great. So anyway, they do this, uh, this quizzble,
Speaker 1: and uh, I thought it was absolutely awesome, except I
Speaker 1: totally thought they dropped the ball on the most obvious
Speaker 1: thing ever, which is they're going back and forth, and
Speaker 1: uh it ends up being four and two in favor
Speaker 1: of the Heels, and so, uh, four or three actually
Speaker 1: is where it was here. So it's Randy Orton's turn.
Speaker 1: They're down by one and if they miss it, then
Speaker 1: the other team gets a chance to to get it right.
Speaker 1: So Randy Orton asked for these sports? Uh the deal?
Speaker 1: And uh they ask sports question involving Denver, Colorado, which
Speaker 1: is where they are. And so even though I think
Speaker 1: in storyline Orton knew the answer, what he did was
Speaker 1: he pulled the crowd. Okay, which is ridiculous because they
Speaker 1: said you don't have a lifeline because Riddle tried to
Speaker 1: uh he wanted to call somebody or something like that,
Speaker 1: and so, uh, he pulls the crowd and they all
Speaker 1: help him with the answer. John Elway and Chad Gables like,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. That's cheating. You can't pull this crowd.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. So the next question is metric conversions, and
Speaker 1: the question is, uh, how many how many grahams in
Speaker 1: and ounce and uh, you know, straight laced Chad Gable
Speaker 1: four point o g p A, you don't know the answer.
Speaker 1: And I thought, this is a perfect opportunity to do
Speaker 1: the same thing that Orton did and pull the crowd.
Speaker 1: Now the key is as long as in real life,
Speaker 1: you know he knows what the answer is going to be,
Speaker 1: you can work it. Because the answer is twenty eight
Speaker 1: grahams and the options were like twelve, sixteen, thirty two.
Speaker 1: So Chad Gable has act like he doesn't know the
Speaker 1: answer and he tries to pull the crowd and they'll
Speaker 1: be going sixteen and so of course then he says
Speaker 1: what the crowd says and he loses, and so they
Speaker 1: screwed him. It would have been so great now if
Speaker 1: by chance the crowd stupid and they're actually helping the
Speaker 1: heel by chanting twenty eight, then that's when Chad Gable
Speaker 1: just go, I don't trust you fans the answer sixteen.
Speaker 1: And then of course it turns out it is twenty eight,
Speaker 1: and then he's even more fears. I thought, God, how
Speaker 1: could you have dropped the ball on this? But that
Speaker 1: was the only problem. The segment was awesome, and uh, anyway,
Speaker 1: Gordon and Riddle win in the end h with another
Speaker 1: weed joke, and and Chad Gables all upset and they
Speaker 1: keep buzzing this thing and he's acting like he has
Speaker 1: a heart attack every time there's a buzz. This segment
Speaker 1: was just great. It was awesome. So we had two
Speaker 1: hits and one miss. You're counting because a scooter race
Speaker 1: was just stupid. But like Orton being the stoner and
Speaker 1: messing up his own line, Yeah, he was so stoney.
Speaker 1: Screwed up his line about you're not the only one
Speaker 1: who bakes Riddle anyway with Otis too, and it's still
Speaker 1: I like how ham was a trigger word for Otis
Speaker 1: And you're right. You look, this is one thing I've
Speaker 1: been saying about this ascension of Chad Gable and this
Speaker 1: team with Otis is the fact that they're slowly, very
Speaker 1: slowly creeping out more old Otis And I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're ever going to get the shakes and waits
Speaker 1: Otis again. But I hope they're not doing this to
Speaker 1: turn either Chad Cable or Otis on each other. I
Speaker 1: like them as a team. I think they should stick
Speaker 1: as a team for as long as possible, and considering
Speaker 1: they don't have any might be a good idea. Bro,
Speaker 1: the guy that wrote this game sounds dumb if you
Speaker 1: didn't watch Rang, I don't even want to hear your
Speaker 1: criticism about this game. This game was awesome and these
Speaker 1: fans were super into it. Like when someone shose sports
Speaker 1: as a category, they're like, yeah, you actually see people
Speaker 1: up and up and down. This was not crowd sweeting.
Speaker 1: They loved this sag and they went it went twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of opening satements with talking going
Speaker 1: back and forth that have gone twenty minutes that weren't
Speaker 1: anywhere near as it's you know, as fun as this.
Speaker 1: So and I also, by the way, too before we
Speaker 1: getting further into this, and we're never gonna get this done.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, well hold on, because we have a
Speaker 1: whole rest of the show to talk about this. The
Speaker 1: only thing I really have to say about the rest
Speaker 1: of this is that hour was not that bad to me.
Speaker 1: I thought they did a good job with everything in it.
Speaker 1: I thought the tag match they came after it was exciting,
Speaker 1: and I thought, I know you're gonna bash the first hour,
Speaker 1: but I didn't think it was that bad. I thought
Speaker 1: the problem though, came later in the show when he
Speaker 1: got into the second hour and the third hour, where
Speaker 1: it was like, oh God, kill me. I thought they
Speaker 1: did a good job at the first hour. I thought
Speaker 1: the rest of it was where you had the problem.
Speaker 1: All right, let me get going then, so we have
Speaker 1: the show with you. I even here because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get this so we can get it on YouTube
Speaker 1: without having to go through a commercial break, and then
Speaker 1: you can do all your thoughts when we come back
Speaker 1: from the break. Why don't you actually let me know?
Speaker 1: This is just because I do it every week. We
Speaker 1: had Alpha Academy versus The Street profits they went five
Speaker 1: minutes and Gable got the pinfall. So keep this in mind.
Speaker 1: By the way that they got the the win here
Speaker 1: this is non title match. We had a Lashly m
Speaker 1: v P segment his hometown and Lashly super over and
Speaker 1: so what do they do with Lashly his hometown? Well
Speaker 1: and beat him, that's nice, But other than that, they
Speaker 1: did nothing. They talked and we never saw the guy again.
Speaker 1: We had a god awful series of segments with Alexa Bliss, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, a little while ago to an interviewed
Speaker 1: asking us to let it play out. Ro how long
Speaker 1: do I have to let this play out? It's been
Speaker 1: like five weeks now and it's only getting worse. So
Speaker 1: the more I let it play out, the worse it gets.
Speaker 1: She cried because they took the replica doll away from her.
Speaker 1: She talked about how she was trying to control her
Speaker 1: anger and failed. Whatever. A j and Damian Priest non
Speaker 1: title match. They got five minutes and a J Styles
Speaker 1: pins him clean in the middle of the ring. It
Speaker 1: is the fourth straight loss for Damian Priest after he'd
Speaker 1: been undefeated for a year. They have now beaten him
Speaker 1: four straight times. I'm not a fan of this elimination
Speaker 1: chamber announcement. They've already thrown in uh five women. One
Speaker 1: more will be determined here on this show and as
Speaker 1: seth rawlins Kevin Owens deal their friendies Miss TV with
Speaker 1: Miss and Maurice and Ray and Dominic. This damn thing
Speaker 1: went on for like nine hours, literally built around the
Speaker 1: baby faces calling Miss a cheater and misinsisting he's not
Speaker 1: a cheater. And finally Dominic gets in his face he
Speaker 1: wants to rematch, Miss gives it to him. They go
Speaker 1: one minute and forty seconds of which one minute is
Speaker 1: Maurice getting ejected, and then Dominic mysterio school boys him
Speaker 1: and pins him. Big win for old Dominic. Here on
Speaker 1: this show, Bianca beating Nicky ash for in It's ko
Speaker 1: d nothing match we had in our truth to Mina
Speaker 1: to Zawa Data Brooke Reggie segment, they're doing a romance
Speaker 1: angle with Dana and Reggie. She likes him, but she
Speaker 1: only wants to be friends. He's lost in her voluptuous lips.
Speaker 1: But then they're chased off again. So this I can't
Speaker 1: say this will continue because probably know they'll drop it
Speaker 1: next week. Kevin Owens Austin theory, you know Austin theories
Speaker 1: in the elimination chamber after beating Kevin Owens, but his
Speaker 1: w w E so we gotta go fifty fifty. Kevin
Speaker 1: Owens nine minute match, beats him clean in the middle
Speaker 1: of the ring with the stunner, because of course he did.
Speaker 1: We are we just talking about and I told you
Speaker 1: all this would happen, but no one likes to listen
Speaker 1: to me. We had Alita Becky Lynch segment, which, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Becky does the old deal. Oh, I you
Speaker 1: were my teenage hero. I have so much respect for you,
Speaker 1: but I want to beat you and I'm insulted that
Speaker 1: you want my title. And long story short, they had
Speaker 1: a her fluffle and lead a later out with the
Speaker 1: twist of Fate and then went up top and hit
Speaker 1: the Moon Salt. They gave it all away, whatever doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They're gonna wrestle at the at the pay per view
Speaker 1: save the Moon Salt brother for Saudi Arabia. Nope, they
Speaker 1: can't even do that. What then, I think she's gonna
Speaker 1: win the title? No, but you can at least have
Speaker 1: a near fall off her finally hitting the moon Salt
Speaker 1: after she tried it at the Rumble and was foiled,
Speaker 1: and then she tries it here and Becky should have
Speaker 1: rolled out of the ring. And now they they just
Speaker 1: hit it. Kevin Owens in storyline, may not be at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: According to Sonya Deville and Adam Pierce a two night WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a spot for Kevin Owens. That's the storyline.
Speaker 1: Do you drop beat Live Morgan with a Vader bomb?
Speaker 1: So those of you, uh, you know, hoping for that
Speaker 1: big Live Morgan push, You're not gonna get it. And uh.
Speaker 1: Then in the main event, Riddle faces seth Rawlins. They
Speaker 1: go eight minutes and then Kevin Owens just runs in
Speaker 1: for this qualification. Then they come back. It is now
Speaker 1: a tag match Seth and Kevin Owens against Riddle and
Speaker 1: Randy Orton. They go eight more minutes, and you'll never
Speaker 1: guess what happens to the number one contenders to the
Speaker 1: tag team titles, who, after four weeks have finally earned
Speaker 1: their shot at the tag team titles. Seth Rons curb
Speaker 1: stomps and pins Riddle clean in the middle of the ring,
Speaker 1: because of course he did. And that was a show
Speaker 1: that was Monday Night Raw. When we come back from
Speaker 1: the break, Mike, I'm gonna allow you to break down
Speaker 1: every segment that you want to here on this program.
Speaker 1: And perhaps tell me why leader should have hit that
Speaker 1: moved soult, which I thought was ridiculous back in a moment,
Speaker 1: Server life. You're listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian
Speaker 1: Alvarez and Mike semper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. Listen,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, okay, but because stuff is so simple
Speaker 1: and they can't do simple right, it's Lida versus Becky
Speaker 1: Lynch in the elimination chamber. Is there anybody on the
Speaker 1: face of this planet that thinks that Leta is gonna
Speaker 1: beat Becky Lynch for the raw women's title? Anybody? No,
Speaker 1: of course, not except for the gimmicks. Okay, So listen.
Speaker 1: She went up for that moon salt at the Royal Rumbole,
Speaker 1: and she got shoved off the top and eliminated. She
Speaker 1: goes up top to hit the moon salt on Becky Lynch,
Speaker 1: and Becky Lynch rolls out of the way. You just
Speaker 1: get people wanting to see Leta's big move. What other
Speaker 1: move does lead to? Have everybody the twist of fate
Speaker 1: which we've already seen. What else d d A d
Speaker 1: d T Hurricane Rana? She didn't do a Hurricane ra
Speaker 1: does a spinning head scissors. But her big move is
Speaker 1: the moon salt and the twist of faith. Who are
Speaker 1: you to de mean her wrestling repertoire, I said, those
Speaker 1: are big signature moves, the big ones at the end
Speaker 1: of the match, the moonsal and the twist of faith.
Speaker 1: Those are fishing minute. Let me just finish. All you
Speaker 1: have to do is make people want to see the
Speaker 1: moon salt, and then you go to Saudi Arabia. She
Speaker 1: makes a big comeback, shoves Becky off the top, she
Speaker 1: hits her big moon salt, and you've got a great
Speaker 1: near fall. That's all you have to do. They finally
Speaker 1: get to see their moves, so you get a big
Speaker 1: pop because they finally saw it, and you get the
Speaker 1: big pop because the big near fault. But no, now
Speaker 1: we've seen the twist of fate and we've seen the
Speaker 1: moon salt. So literally, the only reason to watch the
Speaker 1: matches to see if she's gonna win, and we all
Speaker 1: know she's not gonna win. Whatever doesn't matter, but she
Speaker 1: many Christmas is not hard, and they make everything so hard.
Speaker 1: You're turning simple arithmetic into calculus. Here. You really have
Speaker 1: taken that one too far. Look, she's not. So what's
Speaker 1: the big deal about the fact she got pushed off
Speaker 1: in alimity? That was bad? But then she goes out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody thinks she's got a chance to win. But you
Speaker 1: know what, maybe she does because she did hit the
Speaker 1: moon salt and you know what, probably now you know
Speaker 1: what you're doing the only so she hits it at
Speaker 1: at the pay per view and guess what does she
Speaker 1: get a win? No, that's when Becky kicks out. You're right,
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. Why you're so
Speaker 1: hung up on And I don't know when you can
Speaker 1: use it as a near fault because she already hit it,
Speaker 1: improved she can beat the champ. She didn't prove she
Speaker 1: could be the champion. She didn't move. She proved she
Speaker 1: could beat her with her move. No, she didn't look
Speaker 1: did she pin Becky Lynch with the moon Salt? She
Speaker 1: just hit it. She was able to hit it. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're making such a big deal
Speaker 1: out of this. Why because I tried to explain this.
Speaker 1: There there are there are three things. She beats Becky.
Speaker 1: She hits a twist of faith. She ain't gonna hit
Speaker 1: she ain't gonna pin her We've already seen the twist
Speaker 1: of faith. There's literally one thing that you can say
Speaker 1: for this match for the fans, and they gave it away.
Speaker 1: And you're sitting here talking about how I'm doing. You're
Speaker 1: trying to tell me that because she hit a moonsalt
Speaker 1: on Raw, now people believe she's gonna beat Becky. Anybody here,
Speaker 1: no one? Okay, you have turned the stupidest thing into
Speaker 1: a talking point. I gotta problem. That actually really is
Speaker 1: a sign of your amazing success. It really is the
Speaker 1: smallest little It's not them, Yes it is. It's a
Speaker 1: philosophical difference in booking because I actually can look at
Speaker 1: that and go, she hit the move on the champion.
Speaker 1: She's there for three appearances. One was a royal rumble. Okay,
Speaker 1: she didn't hit it. You're really making a mountain out
Speaker 1: of a molehill about that. It was a way for
Speaker 1: her to get eliminated. Then in a match that you're right,
Speaker 1: nobody thinks she's going to win. I mean, the funny
Speaker 1: part is is if you apply this to Lance Archer
Speaker 1: and Hangman Page. You were all about him laying out
Speaker 1: Hangman Page. Well, guess what for a match that everybody
Speaker 1: knows he's not gonna win. Well, here's Leada hitting a
Speaker 1: move on the champion, proving she can do it. So
Speaker 1: when she does do it at the pay per view,
Speaker 1: it's still going to get the same response. It's going
Speaker 1: to get the pop up she almost did it. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a difference in philosophies, Brian. This isn't something
Speaker 1: where everybody's such an idiot because they don't believe with
Speaker 1: what you say. Okay, period, did you're bringing up Lance Archer? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Lance Archer. I don't think he's going to win. Okay,
Speaker 1: but he could win. Okay, he could, Like maybe Hangman's
Speaker 1: got some serious if Hangman has an injury, because now
Speaker 1: you're doing the thing where it's fake, so nobody think
Speaker 1: no Leta and and Lance Archer or not winning the titles. Period.
Speaker 1: You can't. You don't try to say, well, maybe Lance
Speaker 1: Archer can do this, well, maybe lead A can to.
Speaker 1: Then if if Hangman Page has an injury and he
Speaker 1: can't wrestle, they could put that title on Lance Archer. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you know what if Becky has an injury and
Speaker 1: she can't wrestle, they're not putting that title on Lida
Speaker 1: Becky will go out there and vacated. There is zero chance,
Speaker 1: zero in in any universe that Lead is becoming the
Speaker 1: raw women's champion. None. So the issue here is not
Speaker 1: about the moon salt. The issue is that there is
Speaker 1: a simple way of booking that is lost because everybody
Speaker 1: has watched w W E screw it up for so
Speaker 1: many years that now they just accept everything. Oh she
Speaker 1: had Oliver moves going to the pay per view. Who cares?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, it's pointless, like, actually, you could have
Speaker 1: saved something, You could have saved one thing for that
Speaker 1: pay per view. But now Rosaiana, if you're pulling back
Speaker 1: the onion on their booking, the fact that they need
Speaker 1: Leita to come back, when you have Bianca bel Air,
Speaker 1: when you have Riha Ripley, when you have Eo Sharai,
Speaker 1: when you have you name them, like, that's the bigger issue.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm sorry, I mean, you're right about
Speaker 1: their you know, pathetic booking approaches. But I mean again,
Speaker 1: you're you've made a mountain out of a mole, would
Speaker 1: you all rather? I got mad at the fact that
Speaker 1: they spent weeks building up Riddle and Orton becoming number
Speaker 1: one contenders and then beat him clean at the end
Speaker 1: of the show. Is that a mountain out of a
Speaker 1: mole hill? I mean, it probably is because nothing matters.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's remarkably impossibly stupid as well. What
Speaker 1: about on SmackDown? Is it a mount out of a
Speaker 1: mole hill? When I say, you know, they had the
Speaker 1: Viking Raiders, who no one thinks I have any chance
Speaker 1: of winning the tag titles. They did a one on
Speaker 1: one match with one of the US and beat the guy.
Speaker 1: He didn't don't only beat him, but he did a
Speaker 1: splash where he like did the number one just joking
Speaker 1: around in midair and pin the guy cleaning. Is that
Speaker 1: a mountain out of a mole hill? No, that's remarkable,
Speaker 1: not to posterously stupid as well. You're exactly right, that's
Speaker 1: preposterously stupid. I don't think the leader thing is. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the bottom line on that, and we
Speaker 1: should probably move on because we bored everybody to tears.
Speaker 1: I don't care about boring them to tears. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to explain this business that everyone's forgotten. Can we get
Speaker 1: on some some people to discuss it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a great worker people to discuss that is a great worker.
Speaker 1: M JF. You wanna know why, because he does all
Speaker 1: these we have eyes. He does all the old stuff
Speaker 1: that people have forgotten, and he's bringing all that old
Speaker 1: stuff back. Yeah, they have get out of your gimmick
Speaker 1: in your hand and the referees and they give falls out. Bro.
Speaker 1: These people in the twitch, especially the YouTube chat actually,
Speaker 1: and I've never seen that in their lives. Nobody's forgotten
Speaker 1: to get out of here. I don't know, man, I
Speaker 1: got a whole Twitter feed that I I know. I
Speaker 1: don't forget about it. I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: other wrestlers and performers and bookers and people in that
Speaker 1: business that that don't forget about that stuff either either.
Speaker 1: And you're right, MJF is a great worker because he's
Speaker 1: allowed to be. You know, he's he's allowed to be.
Speaker 1: And that's the biggest thing with w w E. And
Speaker 1: we spend all this waste a little time talking about
Speaker 1: w w E and their crappy booking. You know, we
Speaker 1: could talk about any other promotion. We could spend this
Speaker 1: time talking about anybody else other than w w E
Speaker 1: being incompetent and giving them more oxygen and letting them
Speaker 1: have more of the space when there's so much other
Speaker 1: good stuff to talk about. Well, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, what I want to talk about here. It's
Speaker 1: gonna draw these listeners except Midnight Man four seven three,
Speaker 1: who quit the show because I was talking about good
Speaker 1: good riddens. Get out of here. You ain't tough enough
Speaker 1: to listen to the show anyway, You cowered. Takes a
Speaker 1: real tough guy to listen to this show for an hour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this coward? What a door? Will you stop? I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: Da Rousey opened up. Oh here. Rhonda Rousey feels the
Speaker 1: same way as I do. Open up about her relationship
Speaker 1: with the fans. During a Sunday Facebook stream where she
Speaker 1: was playing video games and answering questions, Ronda said that
Speaker 1: while she plays a character in w w E, it's
Speaker 1: still her, which can make taking critiques difficult. It's hard
Speaker 1: not to take things personally from the fans because I
Speaker 1: don't go out there as I mean, I do go
Speaker 1: out there as a character, but I'm also actually ron
Speaker 1: Da Rousey. I don't play Ronda Rousey on television, so
Speaker 1: sometimes I take it personally from the fans. Not so
Speaker 1: much from the wrestlers, but the fans I do, She said, Uh,
Speaker 1: I believe what do we got here? There's a lot
Speaker 1: of words in this article as well, um where are
Speaker 1: we here? In August one, Rousey referred to w w
Speaker 1: WE fans is ungrateful idiots following bray Wyatt's release in situ,
Speaker 1: wating it was them who caused him to be released.
Speaker 1: She acknowledged her change and ring gear dressing all black,
Speaker 1: which was a departure from which she supported before. She
Speaker 1: said the change was due to having her first child
Speaker 1: four months ago and not feeling confident enough to wear it.
Speaker 1: She said she is working towards it, but quote, it's
Speaker 1: hard when you are coming back and being judged directly
Speaker 1: to how you looked three years ago. See, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what she's talking about there, because number one,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember her old outfit. I thought she
Speaker 1: always were all black, And furthermore, she gave birth four
Speaker 1: months ago. I think she's looked fantastic. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what she's talking about in terms of of her
Speaker 1: gear and people being critical of what she's wearing. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was a thing. But I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess it always is. You know, you're in a
Speaker 1: cosmetic business. And I'm sure she's got a ton of
Speaker 1: people that are probably you know, sniping at her about
Speaker 1: how she looks in her weight. I mean all women do.
Speaker 1: I mean everybody in wrestling does, so, you know, I
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate, but that's I guess that's just part of
Speaker 1: your game that you have to try to shut out.
Speaker 1: And that's I think that's the bottom line. And that's
Speaker 1: obviously something that she understands now, is she's got to
Speaker 1: do a better job trying to just close the door
Speaker 1: on social media and a lot of the comments and
Speaker 1: things like that. Once you get into of the arena,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to deal with him that way.
Speaker 1: But as far as all the other you know, chatter
Speaker 1: and nonsense and all that sort of stuff, you got
Speaker 1: to try to block it out, you know, especially in
Speaker 1: you know, in anything, but but in wrestling too. I mean,
Speaker 1: she had but she had these issues in m m
Speaker 1: A as well too, with people thinking, you know, she
Speaker 1: thought the fans turned on or there, you know, with
Speaker 1: the home fight and all that sort of stuff. Certainly
Speaker 1: thought that the media had turned on her. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's just the way she is, you know, wired personality wise,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna have to be people that are veterans
Speaker 1: who you know, have have been through some of the
Speaker 1: mental things she's gone through. They're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: try to coach her through this and help her out
Speaker 1: a little bit. She did an interview with Steve Oh
Speaker 1: of Jackass in April and said she was questioning why
Speaker 1: she was continuing to take time away from focusing on
Speaker 1: her family, quote, instead of spending my time on my
Speaker 1: energy on a bunch of bleeping, ungrateful fans that don't
Speaker 1: even appreciate me. Bro, she ain't gonna be coming to
Speaker 1: the conventions. I'm thinking, get out of here with that.
Speaker 1: They're fans. It's not all the fans anyway, the fans.
Speaker 1: You know, the media said about the fans. Come on,
Speaker 1: the media is responsible, the fans are responsible. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know. I should mention, by the way, that New
Speaker 1: Japan has announced the full card for Saturday's New Japan
Speaker 1: Strong continuation of the New Beginning USA series. This week.
Speaker 1: It will be Josh Barnett versus Renn Narita, Juice Robinson,
Speaker 1: and David and Leave versus Jonah and Bad Dude Tito
Speaker 1: and hikol Ao versus Cody Chun. I went to the show.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys are all aware. The show was
Speaker 1: awesome and the first series of matches aired on this
Speaker 1: past Saturday. So if you do not watching New Japan
Speaker 1: Strong this past Saturday, go watch it now and watch
Speaker 1: the show this coming Saturday, because all three of these
Speaker 1: matches were also awesome. So check it out Nuchpan Strong
Speaker 1: and JPW world dot com. That's a non w w
Speaker 1: E promotion, it is. And by the way, everybody go
Speaker 1: over to Filthy Tom Lawler's Twitter and look at supporting
Speaker 1: him when he does his virtual signing. Uh so you
Speaker 1: can find out all the information there. In fact, I'll
Speaker 1: have it all for you after the break. You should
Speaker 1: have had that ready to go. Chopping roll park I
Speaker 1: retweeted it yesterday back in a moment, was it were
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Speaker 1: Observer Live. Mike simper Viv also of Wrestling Observer dot com.
Speaker 1: This person wants to know why doesn't Observer Live ever
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Speaker 1: of here. But you know I will say one thing.
Speaker 1: I will say one thing. I don't think it's impossible
Speaker 1: that in an infinite universe there could be somewhere in
Speaker 1: the universe where men are lizards. Okay, but it is
Speaker 1: impossible that the sun is cold anyway. Nick Gage is
Speaker 1: signed an exclusive multi year contract with g c W
Speaker 1: Fightful first report of the news Monday. According to the report,
Speaker 1: the deal will reduce the amount of matches the forty
Speaker 1: one year old gauge needs to work while also keeping
Speaker 1: him in g CW, currently half of the company's Take
Speaker 1: Team title holders, along with Matt Tremont and de Bilt
Speaker 1: from the Briscos. At last month's World on GCW, in
Speaker 1: a surprise appearance, Brett Lauderdale, the company owner, told the
Speaker 1: website he is against the idea of contracts in GCW,
Speaker 1: but made an exception from day one. He says, Nick
Speaker 1: has put his body and literally his life on the
Speaker 1: line for the fans inside the squared circle. He deserves
Speaker 1: and has earned the right to be rewarded for twenty
Speaker 1: plus years of hard work and sacrifice. This historic contract
Speaker 1: will do just that, allowing him to continue his entering
Speaker 1: career at a pace that is beneficial to his health
Speaker 1: while beginning to focus on opportunities to take him towards
Speaker 1: the next phase of his career. I believe he said
Speaker 1: this will be the first and last contract ever offered
Speaker 1: by g c W, So congratulations Nick Gauge. It's at
Speaker 1: a rough time. I'm here and there, so hopefully it
Speaker 1: all works out for him and we're out of time.
Speaker 1: Everybody tonight nine Pacific, midnight Eastern. It's a toga party
Speaker 1: WrestleMania nine. Hopefully Mike's watching watching along here with this
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