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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena.

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Speaker 1: And we are here today with none other than the

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Speaker 1: past Golden Bachelor at Joan Joan. Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Hi guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Hi, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Have you been I'd been great, busy fall, but I'm

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Speaker 3: ready for the cool weather. I think you're having it

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Speaker 3: too in New York, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: It's here. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little bit chilly today, which is kind

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Speaker 4: of nice. It matches like the fall mood. And as

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Speaker 4: much as you know we love fall, we're very excited

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Speaker 4: for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: So cold Christmas is coming.

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Speaker 1: How's that? I know? How's everything with you and Chuck?

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Speaker 3: Everything's great. We had kind of a weird summer. We

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Speaker 3: were both had made plans like prior to us kind

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Speaker 3: of getting together, Like he had planned to go in

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Speaker 3: a safari with the sun, so he was gone for

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Speaker 3: two weeks. I was going for a different two weeks

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Speaker 3: with on another vacation. So we kind of had like

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Speaker 3: a weird summer where we didn't see each other a lot.

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Speaker 3: But we've seen each other a lot in the fall,

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Speaker 3: so and we have a lot of plans for the

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Speaker 3: next like two or three months, so we're kind of

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Speaker 3: back into our groove again.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. What are the plans for the holidays?

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Speaker 3: So this year, so he's coming to my house for

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving and then Christmas, he's actually gonna spend in Wichita

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna spend here, and then we're gonna get

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Speaker 3: together a couple of days afterwards and probably go through

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Speaker 3: New Year's someplace, maybe here, maybe New York someplace. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 4: Did you guys ever end up getting a place in

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Speaker 4: New York?

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Speaker 3: No, we're still looking. This is so hard, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I know you get it if you're not living there,

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Speaker 3: Like a place will come up and I'll go, okay,

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Speaker 3: I can come up in like two days or like

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Speaker 3: it'll be gone. So it's just too hard. We even

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Speaker 3: put like offers in on places like a sight Unseen

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Speaker 3: and there they rejected them because we hadn't seen them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh really, they like won't take it unless you've

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Speaker 4: been there to see it.

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Speaker 2: Actually, they actually had a friend that told.

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Speaker 3: Me that, Yeah, they had multiple offers and they chose

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Speaker 3: the one that had actually come to see the place.

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Speaker 3: So which makes sense, I guess. If you havemultiple offers.

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Speaker 3: So it's like a lot harder than we ever thought.

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Speaker 3: So it's been a year of us like thinking we're

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Speaker 3: going to get a place and we still don't. So

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Speaker 3: I think for maybe the month of December, we're just

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Speaker 3: gonna get an airbnb and just stay there for the

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Speaker 3: month of December and May. First of all, I love

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Speaker 3: it there in December, so I want to be there anyway,

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Speaker 3: and then maybe that will give us a way to

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Speaker 3: find a place. Hopefully some things will come up.

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Speaker 2: We're there, definitely, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say that makes that makes the most sense. It's

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Speaker 1: definitely one of those cities where like if you want

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Speaker 1: to get an apartment, you just have to come and

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Speaker 1: get it. And unless you're gonna, like if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: stay for a month, I think that's a good amount

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Speaker 1: of time to find something that you really like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if not, like the two days you're here, you just

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Speaker 1: have to like suck it up and be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: whatever we find this place may not be my favorite,

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Speaker 1: but I'm taking it.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's kind of what we did. We came

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Speaker 4: in for I think like four or five.

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Speaker 1: Days, not even I think we were only here for

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Speaker 1: we only looked at apartments for two week, did two

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Speaker 4: We did one day in Brooklyn, one day in Manhattan,

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Speaker 4: and then at the end of it we like they

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Speaker 4: are front Slash for the stage. It was basically like

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Speaker 4: you got to pick one. These will be gone in

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Speaker 4: look another time if you didn't find what you're loving,

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Speaker 4: or hopefully you found something that feels like it worked.

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Speaker 4: And we were like, all right, we're going.

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Speaker 2: We did.

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Speaker 4: We were like we're going with this one done, but

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Speaker 4: it is intense. They don't mess around.

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Speaker 3: We were we were super picky, and now I'm like

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Speaker 3: over that. So I think you knew that you had

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Speaker 3: super picky. So now I was like, I only way

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Speaker 3: and like there's like two in the next year that

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Speaker 3: will like fatisfy that criteria. So I'm just going to

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Speaker 3: now just say I want to be in New York

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Speaker 3: once i'm there for like a more permanent thing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and a month will be great because you'll be

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Speaker 4: able to kind of spend some time in the city

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Speaker 4: and figure out really like what your must haves are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, like a big closet, A big closet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always a good one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's let's talk. Let's talk a little Golden. I

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Speaker 1: want to ask your thoughts on this, because you were

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Speaker 1: not on Gary season for too long, you ended up

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Speaker 1: you ended up sending yourself home. But do you think

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Speaker 1: so like Mel we kind of talked about like Mel

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's never been on a season like

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Speaker 1: like kind of get comfortable in front of the cameras.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that little bit of time that you

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Speaker 3: It definitely did. So the first I have to hand it,

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Speaker 3: I have to hand it to Gary because he had

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Speaker 3: no experience, and he's the one that made it good

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Speaker 3: for us women. He was so open and so vulnerable

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Speaker 3: and so emotional really that it made it easy for us.

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Speaker 3: So I think having a lead that is good at

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Speaker 3: that And they just happened to really hit the you know,

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Speaker 3: the nose on the head. The head is that right

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Speaker 3: nose on the head, because he was just naturally, like,

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Speaker 3: very effusive with his emotions. So it definitely kind of

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Speaker 3: made me more comfortable being that way. If I had

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Speaker 3: he was a great lead. He he made it so

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Speaker 3: all of us women felt comfortable opening up. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: definitely being on a season, But it depends on the

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Speaker 3: think the women on Mel season have gotten there. I

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Speaker 3: and Mel certainly has struggled with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense. You you got to interview Sydney. It's

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Speaker 1: a hard time, Cindy. You interviewed Sin on this podcast. Overall, like,

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Speaker 3: So gosh, I think she is so incredibly bright and

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Speaker 3: she's beautiful. I felt like she was giving more than

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Speaker 3: And you know, she talked so much about her family

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Speaker 3: And I think she's been very patient and I hope

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Speaker 4: Interesting saying, yeah, we for Cindy at the beginning of

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Speaker 4: We were really feeling like protective over her in her emotions,

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Speaker 4: but she seems to have kind of like gotten her footing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm curious to see how it played.

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Speaker 3: Totally agree. She was very emotional, and she said she's

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Speaker 3: You're right, she got invested very quickly without ever having

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Speaker 3: So like, like I picked Chalk in the beginning because

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Speaker 1: Does she remind you, maybe not not like her herself,

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Speaker 3: Like as far as being as yeah, actually a little

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Speaker 2: Was being really emotionally invested very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Very quickly, and then didn't get a date forever and gosh,

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Speaker 3: I can't even remember. Oh and then her date was

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Speaker 3: very sporty because she's really athletic and was ATVing and

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Speaker 3: she was disappointed actually in her date because she wanted

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Speaker 4: Okay, interesting out of the other women from this season,

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Speaker 4: who has kind of stuck out to you?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love Debbie, you know, I ope.

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Speaker 4: My heart goes certain that it was going to be

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Speaker 3: Was, I'm with you, especially when it came down to

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Speaker 3: the last three. I'm like, Okay, you got this, you

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Speaker 3: her home. And I do kind of get it. You know,

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Speaker 3: someone who's never been married before is coming to this

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Speaker 3: this like in a different place in their life kind of,

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Speaker 3: you know, as far as maturity and where you are

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Speaker 3: in like you're maybe your career journey, you might be

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Speaker 3: in the same place, but like to have this family

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Speaker 3: and and I also have to say, like her date

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Speaker 3: or her hometown seemed very different. It seemed like they

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Speaker 3: were at a retirement community, like there was no young energy,

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Speaker 3: and he is around a lot of young energy, Like

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Speaker 3: in his life he has young sons. He's an athlete,

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Speaker 3: so he's around you know, athletics, so you know, again

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Speaker 3: younger people. So I think maybe Debbie's hometown kind of

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Speaker 3: ruined it for her a little bit. I think otherwise

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Speaker 3: they were a really good match.

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Speaker 2: That's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: I know I thought at that, I thought about that.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually glad they only did three hometowns because of

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Speaker 3: Rushed, nothing out of it.

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Speaker 3: I think we've had that problem anyway. I think we

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Speaker 3: I don't think we ever asked that. She certainly alluded

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Speaker 3: I remember saying, we had great conversations. It flowed very easily.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Never I don't think we've seen

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Speaker 2: No, I don't remember conversations.

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Speaker 1: Were at the ROST ceremony. Yeah yeah, all of a.

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Speaker 3: Sudden, we're standing in front of the pool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. True. Yeah, there's no Yeah, there's no

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be interested to see more of the conversations

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Speaker 4: But I feel like mel is very locked in. He

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Speaker 3: Such a good question because you think, like, these are

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Speaker 2: I agree, And I'm going like you are.

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Speaker 4: I'm going off the women thinking like, all right, these

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is, You're right. Some of the ones now,

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Speaker 3: But once you say it, it's out there, and it's

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Speaker 1: As a former lead who's a success story, what are

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Speaker 3: So I actually think you shouldn't say I love you

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Speaker 3: So he although I don't particularly he's doing it well,

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Speaker 3: So I applaud him for that. I also, just like

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Speaker 3: So he's asking good questions, he's just not answering them.

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Speaker 3: So I applaud him for not being overly emotional or

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I agree. I agree.

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Speaker 4: He's very inquisitive. He definitely is like a data collector.

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Speaker 4: Is how he tress me, Like he's trying to get

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Speaker 4: He keeps using terminology like educated guests and things like that.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to collect as much information to make a decision.

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Speaker 2: He's just like so insanely left rain dominant.

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Speaker 3: It's wild, You're so true, so true. And also think

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean we saw at the women tell all

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Speaker 3: Bad to say about him, not a thing I know.

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Speaker 1: So he's definitely doing He's definitely doing something right out

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Speaker 3: Att hmmm, So I have two that I would choose, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I would say is Debbie. I love having someone completely different,

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Speaker 3: And I just think she's funny. I mean, I thought

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Speaker 3: She's a dentist, and I think she's beautiful. And you

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Speaker 3: know what, she's seventy two years old. No one would

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Speaker 3: ever can you believe that?

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Speaker 2: So I didn't know that. Wow, I know.

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Speaker 3: And I think that we kind of liked a little

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Speaker 3: so so so suked. Maybe she'd be a great one.

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00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 3: I mean, we want somebody that we are rooting for,

438
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: and we need that in the next Bachelorette.

439
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, good points.

440
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 4: What did you think about the Fantasy Suite episode?

441
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like we have a cliffhanger. Obviously we

442
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 3: don't know what happens with Cindy. I think the peg

443
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 3: part of the day was kind of funny. I think

444
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 3: she learned something about him and about kind of how

445
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 3: cautious he is, so you know, like we'll touch on

446
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 3: fantasy sweet, but I just bought the date part. He

447
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 3: was he was driving like an old man, and she

448
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 3: has the absolute opposite energy. She likes going best, and

449
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 3: she likes like she's even trying to get him good fast.

450
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 3: She's like hooping and hollering and like yeah, and he's

451
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 3: still like just driving like this, like slowly in the go,

452
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 3: in the in the cart. So I do feel a

453
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: little like she learned something about him that maybe she

454
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 3: thought was true, but now she really got a taste

455
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 3: of it. Like he doesn't even drive fast in an

456
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: ATV like on a tropical island.

457
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 4: It's funny because Jared Freed was on the podcast and

458
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 4: he said something that kind of stuck with me when

459
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 4: talking about Peg, which he was like, I'm sure Mal

460
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 4: is good for Peg in certain ways, but he was like,

461
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 4: Peg is good for Mal, like she is he she

462
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 4: is going to be someone that like really just like

463
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 4: pulls him out of his shell and like picks him

464
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 4: up and is like, let's go kind of thing.

465
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: The morning after the Fantasy Suite was the first time

466
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: we saw mel Oh god, he was like blush.

467
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,239
Speaker 2: I was like down last day.

468
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 3: I think they had fun.

469
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: He was that was that was the happiest I've seen him.

470
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: He was like and most comfortable, Like he was so comfortable,

471
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: like I feel like, Okay, we're getting a glimpseep maybe

472
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: the mill that they've been seeing but we haven't been

473
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 3: seen all. Yeah.

474
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 4: He was like laying back and his jeans on the bed,

475
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: just lounging.

476
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well, although I think I felt

477
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: like he was the same way when they did the

478
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: photo shoot for People magazine. I think it was People.

479
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 3: So when they did the photoshoot on the beach, I

480
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 3: think he likes being shortless because he was so comfortable

481
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 3: on that beach because he was shortless all the time.

482
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 3: I think he likes shown off at me as a

483
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: great physique. So I think maybe maybe feels comfortable showing off.

484
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe.

485
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 4: Okay, So you know the ATV part happens with Peg

486
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 4: and Mau. What did you think about kind of their

487
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 4: night conversation.

488
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: Night conversation again, kind of not super telling. He held

489
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 3: back a lot, And this is the point in the

490
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 3: season where I feel like, when you get down to

491
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: the final two, you need to be like brutally honest,

492
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: and I don't think he is being yet. I think

493
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: he still gives himself this free pass to hold back

494
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: and someone needs to call him on it, and Peg

495
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 3: did not. I feel like Cindy might, We don't. She's

496
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 3: looking a little like, hmmm, like we kind of had

497
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 3: this cliffhanger with her him not giving her what she

498
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 3: needed in her like looking at him a little sideways,

499
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: like like this is your sister has taken too long.

500
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can, you know, keep investing

501
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: Peg gave him a prepass.

502
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: Do you think Peg, you think Pag may have asked

503
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: him when the cameras went down. In fantasy suites, I.

504
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: Do, and I think maybe he's more comfortable talking in

505
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: fantasy suits, which is the reason fantasy suites are so important.

506
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: I think that. First of all, I think they're very odd.

507
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: Fantasy suites are because it's just, I mean, everything you

508
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: do in the show is abnormal dating this is particularly abnormal.

509
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: Like when do you ever announce to an entire millions

510
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: of people that you're going to go and have a

511
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 3: physical relationship with. So we're in closest store and we

512
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 3: might have a physical relationship right now, and it's just

513
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: so uncomfortable. I feel like I shouldn't. I don't belong there.

514
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to know about it. It's it's very

515
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: uncomfortable to me. But the other part about fantasy suites

516
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: that is really important is that you do get to

517
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: close the door and the cameras go away, and you

518
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: can have the conversations you need to have, which is

519
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: why I like had fantasy suites without a bed. Not

520
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: that a bed really makes a difference. I mean, you

521
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: can do it anywhere, but I mean it was just

522
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: it was a statement. It was a statement to the

523
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: person I was with, we're not doing this.

524
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: But the end of the visual cue to the audience.

525
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, but that those behind the door conversations

526
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: are super important because if you want to say something

527
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: that you don't want the whole world to know. First

528
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 3: of all, your family didn't sign up to go on

529
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 3: national TV and have everything about your life revealed. So

530
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 3: you need to talk families, You need to talk, you know,

531
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: other parts of your life, not just like you right

532
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: there in this moment falling in love with you. There's

533
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 3: you have a whole world, a whole life you left

534
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: behind that you need to talk about. You need to

535
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: talk finances you took, religion, you need to talk all

536
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 3: those things. So fantasy seats are important, and that's the

537
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 3: thing that I think is important about them. I think

538
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: though the thought of so this is a leap of faith.

539
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: There's no way that you come to the end of

540
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: this journey one hundred percent sure of the person. So

541
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why you have to answer every question

542
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: like the physical question part of this. Now, obviously that

543
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: needs to work. You need to have chemistry. You should

544
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: probably know that you have chemistry at this point and

545
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 3: that you know finishing it off, making sure it all

546
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: works doesn't have to be part of this journey, like

547
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: the leap of faith that you know, some things don't

548
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: need to be answered and you can figure that out,

549
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: you know, in the next couple of weeks or next

550
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: couple of months or whatever. And you know, lots of

551
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 3: people don't work and it's not because of the physical thing.

552
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: There's other things that you're going to find out. So

553
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like the Fantasy Suite is

554
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: a good time for people that are uncomfortable having conversations

555
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: about their emotions. They do happen there, and I feel

556
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: like Peg got something from that one. She just didn't

557
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: get a physical encounter. I feel like she got what

558
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: she needed because she woke up happy as can be,

559
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: and I think she's do.

560
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: You think she's in him? Like, do you think Pegs

561
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: into him?

562
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

563
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like, you know what, they had

564
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: such a friend energy at their one on one date.

565
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: It didn't feel romantic, even like when they were watching

566
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: Casey in the Sunshie Band and they were dancing, I

567
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: felt like they're like, I'm not sure Peg is a

568
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: romantic person, and I don't think Mel is a romantic person.

569
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 3: So I think the two of them are not romantic

570
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: people together, I think as romantic as they can possibly

571
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: get and as in love as they can be. On

572
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 3: TV we saw in the bedroom, we saw that next morning.

573
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

574
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, what did you think of Cindy and the sing

575
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 4: Rays and their night portion?

576
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: Once again, mel like not as super fun happy, But

577
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: what's kind of interesting because I feel like he's presented

578
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 3: himself to be like mister activity, mister adventures.

579
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: He's he's he's sports, you know, and there's there's so

580
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: I took it. There's there's rules in sports and you

581
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: know the way the game's played.

582
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 4: Where definitely a risk adverse person, both like in his

583
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: activity in his relationships, Like he is someone that likes

584
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 4: certainty and predictability, just both through the activities and in

585
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: the romantic conversations he's had.

586
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's more like so true in football, Yeah, like

587
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: you have more control. There's like there's there's rules to

588
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: the game. Where you dropped me in the middle of

589
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 1: the ocean with like stingrays, I wouldn't want I mean,

590
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like that.

591
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: You would not know.

592
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like it.

593
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: You wouldn't liked it. I did it with guy I

594
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: had sharks and stingrays and they're like jumping there. I'm like,

595
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm not jumping in there, and they're like it's safe,

596
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 3: and I'm like, all right, I'll jump in there. So

597
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: I jumped in and I had a great time. Actually

598
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: it was really fun. You know, once again, the idea

599
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: of a leap of faith is going to be a

600
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: problem for mel. This was a leap of faith, like,

601
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna trust these people that have done this. They said,

602
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: we've done been doing this for twenty four years and

603
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: we've never had anybody get stung. Okay, we've ever had

604
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: an incident. He still had a hard time taking that

605
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: leap of faith. A lot of life is leaps of faith.

606
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: You just try it and you hope it works out.

607
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: I'm worried. Just like you said, he's risk adverse. I

608
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: kind of call him leap of faith a verse and

609
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: that's really hard in this on the show, like you

610
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: have to be a little braver, and he show He's

611
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: shown it multiple times. He's shown it with the ATV

612
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: and he showed it with the stingrays. He just doesn't

613
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: like doing things that make him uncomfortable, and a lot

614
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: of this is uncomfortable like you're you're hoping that the

615
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: risk is worth the reward, and I don't feel like

616
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: he is a risky guy.

617
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: Do you think he gets down one knee at the end.

618
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be hard. He has not.

619
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't just based off of everything that you're saying.

620
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: Is kind of how I agree with what you're saying,

621
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: and I just I don't think. I think he looks

622
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: at it like that's that's too unrealistic for me.

623
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: It's he's absolutely, unequivocally he said I'm not in love

624
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: with either one of you.

625
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's literally said it.

627
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: Ye.

628
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I am not there yet. I don't know

629
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: what's to come, but I'm not there right the second

630
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: he's absolutely said it. I can imagine between fantasy suites

631
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: and what there's usually like two or three days or

632
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: maybe four days in between the first fantasy suite and

633
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: then the second one, meeting families, meeting his family and

634
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: getting down on one knee. You only have a few days.

635
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: They're in that few day period right now. Yeah, I

636
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: have a hard time seeing him falling in love and proposing.

637
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, but if he does, if he

638
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: does it, I support him either way, but I'll be

639
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 4: surprised if he proposes.

640
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: My guess is, Peg, they don't get engaged and they

641
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: date after the show.

642
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: Do you think if that's what happens, they're still to

643
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: the other today.

644
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I think there's I think they could. Yeah, I think

645
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: they're still together.

646
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: I think it's that I think if he does my opinion,

647
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: if he doesn't get engaged, he's gonna be a really

648
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: popular guy when the show finishes airing, and he won't

649
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: end up with anybody from the season. He's gonna have

650
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: a lot of women going after him, and I feel

651
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: like he'll like that attention. Wow, Okay, And I can

652
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: say that in meanway because I totally get that he's

653
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: a great looking guy.

654
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think?

655
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. I honestly don't know.

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Speaker 4: I feel like to me, I've always said throughout the season,

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Speaker 4: him and Cindy have this very giddy like almost like

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Speaker 4: young cute, flirty energy between them. I feel like it's

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Speaker 4: the most like soft and romantic I've seen him throughout

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Speaker 4: the season, which makes me feel inclined that that's where

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Speaker 4: he's gonna go. I mean, like, PEG's my girl, I

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Speaker 4: literally love her, but that if we're we're thinking romance.

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Speaker 4: I think Cindy is romance. I think Cindy is the fit.

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Speaker 4: But I don't mel is making a decision off of

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Speaker 4: feelings and romance as much as he is like logic for.

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Speaker 1: You're right away, whatever reason, For whatever reason, I just

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Speaker 1: have like since the beginning, I'm like, it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be Cindy. I don't know why. I think. I

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Speaker 1: think she's great. I just I think it's I think

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Speaker 1: it's the edit. Whatever the edit is doing that I'm

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Speaker 1: just picking up, and I'm just like, I just don't

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be her. I think like we

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Speaker 1: are supposed to think like it should be her, but

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Speaker 1: it's not. But I could be totally wrong. I might

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Speaker 1: just be misreading this.

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Speaker 4: I think they're setting up the edit for a more

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Speaker 4: shocking heartbreak with Cindy than they would with Tag.

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Speaker 1: That's what I Yeah, that's what I'm reading too, But

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, which then makes me think it's not going to

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Speaker 3: be Peg. Like I I we had the cliffhanger with Cindy,

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Speaker 3: so then it makes me feel like I don't I

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Speaker 3: don't know, but I do.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: Like what you said, Serena about like that little bit

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Speaker 3: of romance, because like I said, I feel like they

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Speaker 3: were he and peg are really playful. I don't see

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Speaker 3: a lot of romance there at all, honestly, just because

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Speaker 3: I don't think either one of them are particularly romantic people.

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Speaker 3: I think she's super fun. I think he has a

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Speaker 3: hard time giving. But I did really was a very

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Speaker 3: surprised at the date where they did on that Butterfly

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Speaker 3: Mountain where he was so spiritual, He was so into

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Speaker 3: all of those individual dates with the women, so totally

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Speaker 3: shocked me. So maybe there is something with he and Cindy,

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Speaker 3: because I feel like maybe she's more I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe not spiritual, but certainly more introspective, and that that

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Speaker 3: might be a better match for him than peg. M.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we're all just reading way too much into this.

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Speaker 4: We know so much.

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Speaker 1: I think we might be doing that. Joan, it was

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Speaker 1: a pleasure of talking to you, so great. To you guys,

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Speaker 1: next time you're in New York. Hopefully we see you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll text you guys.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Thanks for having me, of course, and to all

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Speaker 1: our listeners, thank you guys for tuning into Better Happy Hour.

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