Speaker 1: Hello and welcome awaken. Jake Tierless season rolls on. We
Speaker 1: are with Jolly Olive, BBD is here and we are
Speaker 1: going to second base honking some boobs. Um that'll be deleted.
Speaker 1: It probably won't, though, subscribe thanks to all the teenage
Speaker 1: boys watching this. Second base always an interesting position. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of defensive guys that that's what they do. Uh.
Speaker 1: The top of the list. I think we might have
Speaker 1: our our first true s tier of the year. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we might be doing this one a little differently.
Speaker 1: We might be going a little bottoms up because it
Speaker 1: gets it gets funky in the top top middle area.
Speaker 1: Speaking of funky in the top middle area, second base,
Speaker 1: Jolly Olive, who are you?
Speaker 2: Second base was my position m.
Speaker 1: In league You, Jack Doyle and BBD.
Speaker 2: Supposed to throw it. Jake, So glad you asked me
Speaker 2: how I'm doing. I'm doing great? Uh not actually though
Speaker 2: I had I had a really weird launch and I
Speaker 2: just totally threw off my dad. It's just an absolute
Speaker 2: mess of a Chipotle bowl. And it's really making me
Speaker 2: want to talk about the mess that is the second
Speaker 2: base position in MLB right now, because it's like one
Speaker 2: guy at the top, and then two through twenty could
Speaker 2: be anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a couple guys that can actually compete
Speaker 1: for the top, and there's like a lot of categories.
Speaker 1: There's the young guys that we've heard promise and hope
Speaker 1: for that. We'll we'll find out a lot this year.
Speaker 1: But second base, I would also love to see the
Speaker 1: evolution over the past decade or so, because remember when
Speaker 1: shifts were happening and it's like we've signed Mike mustak
Speaker 1: Is to play second base and everyone's like timeout, that's
Speaker 1: illegal in the you can't do that. Can you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like second base is briefly looking over this list,
Speaker 1: it's getting back to second base a little bit. Make
Speaker 1: make some plays, have a contact bat. There's a chunk
Speaker 1: of the middle that's that jolly. Why don't you tee
Speaker 1: up the top of the tier list?
Speaker 2: Look at that, the top of the tier list, and
Speaker 2: you listening at home, you're smart, you're handsome, you know
Speaker 2: who this is? Or pretty? It's Katel Marte. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: talking about a guy that probably could have had a
Speaker 2: shot to win NLMVP had he not missed time on
Speaker 2: the injured list last year. He did miss twenty five games,
Speaker 2: but in one hundred and thirty six games could tell
Speaker 2: Marte had a one to fifty five OPS plus nine
Speaker 2: two ops, thirty six home runs as your switch hitting
Speaker 2: second basement for the Arizona Diamondbacks, easily the best position
Speaker 2: player on their team and a team stacked full of
Speaker 2: great position players. Last year, Christian Walker's on that team,
Speaker 2: Corbyn Carrol Katel, Marte led the way. I really did
Speaker 2: think that we saw the peak of Marte in that
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen season where he hit thirty homers. Everyone was
Speaker 2: kind of having a nice year that year. Who knows why,
Speaker 2: juicy balls. He signed that extension heck and base had
Speaker 2: a kind of a tough next year and then has
Speaker 2: fully remounted, and it made that contract look maybe like
Speaker 2: one of the best in all of baseball right now.
Speaker 2: Sixteen MILLI year for Caateel Marte, which I think is
Speaker 2: more than fair. And he just he brings all dimensions
Speaker 2: to the play a man. He hits for power, hits
Speaker 2: for contact, has a spectacular glove out there, has the
Speaker 2: play discipline three seventy two on base last year. He
Speaker 2: is easily the most well runted second baseman we have
Speaker 2: here entering his age thirty one season. I still think
Speaker 2: we're going to get a few more really elite seasons
Speaker 2: out of Caatel Marte. And there's no one on his
Speaker 2: level right now.
Speaker 1: You mentioned it third in the MVP last year to Shohey,
Speaker 1: who went just a reminder fifty four to fifty nine.
Speaker 1: Snore put him at second base. I don't know, Come on,
Speaker 1: Dodgers left field. He can throw Flinder Francisco lindur Id
Speaker 1: have to google who that is. But uh, he finished second.
Speaker 1: But he played one hundred and fifty two games and
Speaker 1: then basically the same war that Marte went nuts. He's
Speaker 1: a reason the Dinebacks had like the best offense last year.
Speaker 1: Pretty wild, and yeah, I mean the Dimbacks moved him
Speaker 1: around for years, shortstop, second center. That now it's I
Speaker 1: think it's just hey, you play second base, you hit
Speaker 1: a lot, and we like that. One of the best
Speaker 1: contracts in baseball. I think I wish there was like
Speaker 1: a video you could watch on.
Speaker 2: That, something to write down on my sticky note.
Speaker 1: Maybe God, sixteen mil, sixteen mil, fourteen mil team option.
Speaker 1: The next year it goes down and it's a team option,
Speaker 1: Like that's really good. Bet that's how the d Backs
Speaker 1: do business.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Was also amazing in the playoffs. Yes, half matters, half
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, matters matters. Mind on that out than anything.
Speaker 1: I just think that that nine thirty two ops. Now
Speaker 1: that Josel Tuve has moved to left field and got
Speaker 1: a little older, there's not a lot of guys on
Speaker 1: the list that can dream on that, never mind have
Speaker 1: done it.
Speaker 2: And it's above average as well if you're into the
Speaker 2: right thing, really fun baseball savant page. It's all red.
Speaker 1: All of it's red, nasty nuts.
Speaker 2: So that was easy.
Speaker 1: Good for us, that's easy. It's a one man party.
Speaker 1: It's a Marty party.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a Marty party. I'm rerunning the two let's
Speaker 2: marte parte.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do something a little different. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: to the bottom. Oh gold uh and chew through some
Speaker 1: of the fat. Uh. I labeled to go tease because
Speaker 1: all these guys had facial hair that most of them
Speaker 1: were goatee's. There was one beard that kind of broke
Speaker 1: the mold.
Speaker 2: There is a salt patch.
Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman. You were saying mean things about.
Speaker 2: I was saying mean things. But he had a tough
Speaker 2: fear I had. I had pretty high expectations for Nolan
Speaker 2: Gorman to kind of become like the best position player
Speaker 2: on the Cardinals last year.
Speaker 1: I've got him on the bounce back list.
Speaker 2: In twenty three, eight oh five ops two War and
Speaker 2: it looked like it was building in the right direction.
Speaker 2: Also kind of just like, I don't know, has the
Speaker 2: build of a corner infielder, not really middle infielder.
Speaker 1: Remember, Wow, you're gonna build him like that, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Seems like a strong dude. Last year wasn't good thought
Speaker 2: shame tons of strikeouts, not a lot of on base
Speaker 2: point three. War got demoted in the middle of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the first round pick. Like, there's decent expectations for
Speaker 2: him and Jordan Walker and some other guys over at
Speaker 2: the Cardinals unit. Von Herrera.
Speaker 1: I know it's been discussed a lot, but some of
Speaker 1: the guys they've held and let go I know, very interesting.
Speaker 2: John Moseleak last year.
Speaker 1: Also, Dylan Carlson just a major league contract with the
Speaker 1: Orioles this year major league. Yes, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: That's one of the guys that get Yeah, because they
Speaker 2: traded Bater and kept Carls we're getting sidetracked. Gorman's bottom
Speaker 2: tier for me? How about you?
Speaker 1: Who were the other tyro Estrada?
Speaker 2: I know you love him.
Speaker 1: I love him, the Young Prince. He's in Colorado. Don't
Speaker 1: sleep on it. A fantasy guy.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, maybe, just like he's kind of
Speaker 2: a dog twenty twenty out of nowhere. He could be
Speaker 2: the funniest twenty twenty season of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a dog. Brenton Doyle did that last year.
Speaker 1: May I hope the Young Prince is a nice trade
Speaker 1: deadline ad for a team. Uh? Oh, I'd like the
Speaker 1: who else was on our Oh? Brendan Rodgers threw this
Speaker 1: off a little bit.
Speaker 2: But he does deserve to be there, right, He deserves
Speaker 2: to be there because if you get cut from the Rockies,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, well, you have to go in
Speaker 2: the bottom tier. But I will say, I'm envisioning him
Speaker 2: in an Astro's uniform and I'm liking it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I think he's going to be
Speaker 1: a lefty specialist to start. Probably, this is.
Speaker 2: A delicate bottom tier. It's not bad. No, you take
Speaker 2: any these guys, honestly, No.
Speaker 3: I mean, I for the most part, they are like
Speaker 3: worth the gamble.
Speaker 2: Those of these guys were negative war either, like they're
Speaker 2: all a replacement level.
Speaker 1: Was Josh Rojas also at the bottom.
Speaker 2: He has a white Sox uniform on, so I feel
Speaker 2: like he kind of has to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, I think it's fair. He uh.
Speaker 1: He had some moments for the Mariners and then that
Speaker 1: ended kind of quickly that only twenty two.
Speaker 2: Josh Ross was kind of nice.
Speaker 1: There was a while where you could butter knife his
Speaker 1: stats that he was basically a league average hitter, which
Speaker 1: was just like, okay, and he's got the glove. I
Speaker 1: know that I can do. I can do that. He
Speaker 1: can play every position and hit league average. Things fell
Speaker 1: off a little bit there. I think that's the end
Speaker 1: of the goate list for now. And yeah, per usual.
Speaker 3: Only not what I have on Brendan Rodgers is his
Speaker 3: defensive profile is so weird. It's wonderar of like the
Speaker 3: best DRS number ever and the rest is like straight.
Speaker 2: Up bad glove. Right, he win one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had like I think like legitimately he had
Speaker 3: like twenty two drs. It's an insane number.
Speaker 2: That's the thing with this bottom tier all of them
Speaker 2: are kind of good at something like these guys.
Speaker 1: If these guys are your nine hitter, you have a
Speaker 1: good team.
Speaker 2: I'm perfectly fine with that.
Speaker 1: If these guys are your two hitter, which Rojas, I think,
Speaker 1: Tyro and Gorman.
Speaker 2: Tyro's middle of the lineup in the Rockies, I think,
Speaker 2: which is funny.
Speaker 1: But watch out. Tyro's probably a fantasy guy. Havn't dove
Speaker 1: in fantasy. I accidentally ripped didn't rip them. But earlier
Speaker 1: this week I was in an article that had a
Speaker 1: lot of fans. It ended with fantasy notes, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, WHOA.
Speaker 2: The bat protecting Chris Bryant this year on the Rockies
Speaker 2: is Tyros Roda. I'm ready bring it on.
Speaker 1: Chris Bryant get hit with like his first pitch in
Speaker 1: batting practice this.
Speaker 2: Year, his bat speeds up. Okay, it's been going steadily up.
Speaker 2: Hang on, buy some stock see Winger.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the toddler tier because there are some babies.
Speaker 1: There's some babies, and I think is the baby of
Speaker 1: all babies on this list, Jackson Holiday's holidays in toddler two,
Speaker 1: which hopefully we're talking about him flying up this list.
Speaker 2: This should be the biggest riser.
Speaker 1: Holy smokes, he was bad. Yeah, I remember Foolish Bailey
Speaker 1: gave me a pretty do you know him online videos?
Speaker 2: Fool Baseball his first name is Foolish. Didn't respond to
Speaker 2: my comment on this most recent video.
Speaker 1: So we got bof Oh it's real, uh five sixty
Speaker 1: five ops? Oh no, Yeah, and there was he he
Speaker 1: had some stats. I was like, there's guys struggle. This
Speaker 1: was significant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, struggle is struggle is struggle at a certain point,
Speaker 1: Like and he was twenty.
Speaker 2: He was twenty, which is why I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: putting too much in the money.
Speaker 1: He's going on thirteen. Yeah, his cheeks were rosy, they
Speaker 1: still are.
Speaker 2: What was that he can't grow beard?
Speaker 1: He saw I saw the Vidict camp. He looked more
Speaker 1: like a holiday boy. He'd beefed.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just with all these guys that kind
Speaker 2: of don't spend enough time at Triple A. I kind
Speaker 2: of always take it with a grain of salt, because like,
Speaker 2: you need that seasoning ian. If you are the number
Speaker 2: one prospect in baseball, it is so rare to just
Speaker 2: come up and be great because if you don't. Here's
Speaker 2: my thing, philosophical jolly for a second. If you don't
Speaker 2: face adversity in the minor leagues and then you face
Speaker 2: adversity at the major leagues, then you probably don't know
Speaker 2: how to deal with it because you haven't faced adversity
Speaker 2: as a baseball player. So I think he needed he
Speaker 2: needed that, he needed like the little like wake up call,
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna come back and be great.
Speaker 1: I like that, thanks. I like that he starts off
Speaker 1: the toddler tier. Who joins him? I got Juan Brito here,
Speaker 1: Juan Brido, let me know, I think it's Brito. Uh.
Speaker 2: This guy love living Guardians. I am high on Juan Brito.
Speaker 2: He was acquired in the Nolan Jones trade. I made
Speaker 2: a video last year about did Cleveland miss so when
Speaker 2: they traded away all their players? They didn't because Cleveland's
Speaker 2: a machine. And one of the guys they got back
Speaker 2: was this kid from the Colorado Rockies who can play
Speaker 2: all infield positions pretty well. He's a contact bad he's
Speaker 2: got some pop uh, and they're pretty excited about him.
Speaker 2: They kind of have like a little pipeline of a
Speaker 2: lot of infielders, but he's I think the most promising
Speaker 2: one and I think he's gonna turn some medicines here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, borderline, top one hundred prospect, triple A. Sure we're
Speaker 1: playing Uh yeah, I mean, let's find out. I have
Speaker 1: no I have no clue.
Speaker 2: Could in your book?
Speaker 1: Could he join the Ahmed Rosario, Jimenez, Lin d'Or was
Speaker 1: there Ramirez? Does he count there? There's been quite a
Speaker 1: lineage kipness of guys. Well, now we're going back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's find out. Yeah, I think Cleveland was pretty happy
Speaker 1: to get off Andre Semenez's money.
Speaker 2: I think so too, And I think that it wasn't
Speaker 2: a bad acquisition by the Blue Jays who need to
Speaker 2: improve their infield defense.
Speaker 1: And he might be on this list later on coming
Speaker 1: up getting the third base off the field. No, that's
Speaker 1: come on. Everyone thumbs down sports just like we like,
Speaker 1: that's where we that's where we drive our testosterone towards sports.
Speaker 1: Anyone who else their kids? Who are the babies? Who's
Speaker 1: this Marlin?
Speaker 2: Who is this Marlin? Auto Lopez? Is that who?
Speaker 1: I'm He has some good numbers, I know that's what
Speaker 1: half these guys. It's like, he has some good numbers
Speaker 1: two and a half or last year. I want to
Speaker 1: dream on auto Lopez twenty swipes, eighty seven ops plus.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be twenty sex. It's not exactly a toddler.
Speaker 1: Not a baby baby. That's a toddler.
Speaker 2: It's not toddler. So I'm a toddler.
Speaker 1: And Tierras, Yes, you are common down below. You got
Speaker 1: talked about. I'm talking baseball today. High song, high song.
Speaker 1: He's like he might start in Triple A. He's good.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get pissed.
Speaker 1: He's good, by the way.
Speaker 2: Because like they signed him and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: super util right, and they're like, no, starting a second
Speaker 2: baseman for the best team in baseball, right, that's fucked up.
Speaker 1: Trade away, Gavin Lucks don't need to set off an
Speaker 1: alarm for me. But he's twenty five, he's coming over
Speaker 1: from overseas. Wasn't a top prospect. If he got signed
Speaker 1: by the White Sox, we'd probably be mean to this.
Speaker 2: Dude, right, he would get the josh h.
Speaker 1: It's just honest. It's just honest.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it is, and White Sox fans did want him,
Speaker 2: by the way. Nice numbers in the KBO steady eight
Speaker 2: to forty oh ps last two years, hit three thirty
Speaker 2: five in one hundred and thirty seven games in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. Not an easy thing to do. I know
Speaker 2: some people will probably raise an eyebrow at KBO versus NPB,
Speaker 2: because I do think the skill level is a little
Speaker 2: bit different between those leagues. But stolen based potential is
Speaker 2: crazy with this guy. He is stolen twenty plus bases
Speaker 2: every single season of his professional career, thirty plus and
Speaker 2: half of those seasons. And you just know that the
Speaker 2: Dodgers are gonna throw him in the lab and get
Speaker 2: the absolute best out of him at age twenty six.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess he does fit in toddler tier,
Speaker 2: but I do think his ceiling, like Holiday is pretty high. Awesome.
Speaker 2: We might have to split this up, Okay, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about splitting this up.
Speaker 1: Hold on, sorry, who would you want up? Like?
Speaker 2: And hear me out, I think Holiday, Kim and Brito
Speaker 2: feel like a tier above the other guy's down there.
Speaker 1: Holiday Kim and Brito so out like Lee brooks Lee,
Speaker 1: I think he's in this tier, right yeah, Brooks Lee twins.
Speaker 1: Let's see what they do at second base, Because there
Speaker 1: was some Race Lewis rumors for a while.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he fits in exactly.
Speaker 1: Brooksley was a top pick.
Speaker 2: I don't know, here's the top prospect for a while.
Speaker 1: Zach get Off, who I know, you're post type, not
Speaker 1: into your post hate.
Speaker 2: I don't hate any Buddy Jake, except for people who
Speaker 2: don't like the video.
Speaker 1: I told you this ballmarker was double sided.
Speaker 2: Is that the coin you keep dropping over there? Maybe
Speaker 2: Galloffs strikeout numbers were tough last year. Good S trekouts
Speaker 2: are in dude total one eight. They're not one of
Speaker 2: the rougher savant pages. You'll see first percentile, strike out right,
Speaker 2: second percentile with rate, second percentile, expected batting average, like
Speaker 2: everything under the hood. It's not great for mister Galloff,
Speaker 2: but he was so good his rookie year last year.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was just like an intense sophomore slump. I
Speaker 2: don't know, But what I do know is that the
Speaker 2: Athletics aren't really banking on them this year. They're banking
Speaker 2: on other guys.
Speaker 1: Hey, Sacramento hot ball Flies.
Speaker 2: Summer games are gonna.
Speaker 1: Be cat how many? How many these second basements could
Speaker 1: sneak second basements could sneak into twenty twenty? Get Off,
Speaker 1: we already said Tyrone song got Jackson Holiday Tyro Okay,
Speaker 1: so maybe that's not as big as I thought. Anyways,
Speaker 1: any other babies you like? How old is Nickenzalas Nick
Speaker 1: the Stick? Nick the Stick? Pirates fans like him. I
Speaker 1: like him, and I like that Pirates fans like them.
Speaker 1: I bought in another former first round pick, a lot
Speaker 1: of first round talent. High first round pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventh overall in the twenty twenty draft, and we're
Speaker 2: starting to see those guys come up. Now, you know
Speaker 2: you're heston kursedads.
Speaker 1: You know it's kind of dumb. Why Nick?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: I like Nicknzales? He played baseball at New Mexico, New
Speaker 1: Mexico State, New Mexico State, And when you look at
Speaker 1: the top of that draft, it's all like the baseball
Speaker 1: powerhouses Torkleson, Arizona State, Arkansas, Minnesota A and M Vanderbilt, Georgia,
Speaker 1: New Mexico.
Speaker 2: State, Mexico.
Speaker 1: That means you can hit kind of close to him
Speaker 1: from and I think he hit like three ninety nine
Speaker 1: in college. Why do you know that, Jake? But sometimes
Speaker 1: you forget your mom's name back after this.
Speaker 2: You know your mom's middle name, mine's Elizabeth. Actually, never mind,
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: Know Karen, which that's kind of out.
Speaker 2: Karen's out ship. Karen and Chad are out. No new
Speaker 2: babies are getting named those names.
Speaker 1: Okay, Brooks league gel Off, we can put nickenzals there.
Speaker 1: I feel like he might come.
Speaker 2: Up and Auto maybe, I mean autos there, Auto's.
Speaker 1: There, Otto, Otto's gotta be somewhere. Nick. Yeah, his numbers
Speaker 1: don't I like him scream off the page, but I
Speaker 1: currently don't have a better landing spot.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's kind of another example of like if
Speaker 2: Nickensalz was your nine hitter.
Speaker 1: Holidays there, Yeah, I might be hitting in the meat
Speaker 1: of the Pirates lineup. Let's do dirty jerseys, which I
Speaker 1: think they might get shuffled around a lot, because the
Speaker 1: original idea around dirty jerseys was these are the defensive
Speaker 1: stalwart catchers, catchers, second baseman that if they have if
Speaker 1: they have a good game, they're covered in dirt. They
Speaker 1: made a diving play, they scored on a two out
Speaker 1: single base running speed and defense, kind of the og
Speaker 1: second base profile. And I think, and again this is
Speaker 1: where things might get thrown off. Originally I started with
Speaker 1: Andre Semenez. He's yeah, a Platinum Glove contender every year.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately the stick has been an eighty ops plus guy,
Speaker 1: which that's it's starting to push the limits. But he
Speaker 1: can still do that and get like six war, which
Speaker 1: is nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if we're gonna see twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two again, but I mean his twenty twenty two season
Speaker 2: was incredible, Like it makes sense why he got that money.
Speaker 2: One forty one to ops plus seven and a half
Speaker 2: war sixth an MVP building like that is the player
Speaker 2: that this guy was two years ago. And I don't
Speaker 2: think it's as bad as it was last year. Like
Speaker 2: I think Andrechminis can still be like a league average bat, right,
Speaker 2: but what we do know about him is that he's
Speaker 2: the best defensive second basement in the game right now.
Speaker 2: Maybe the best defensive infielder in the game right now.
Speaker 2: I think you could make that argument pretty compelling too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, with him, Like, if you get a league
Speaker 2: average bat, great because that means you're probably getting like
Speaker 2: a four or five war season. But he doesn't even.
Speaker 1: Need to do that, Yeah, because he's already worth four.
Speaker 2: War when he was twenty percent worse than league average.
Speaker 2: You'd like to put him higher because you know what
Speaker 2: talented he is, but the bat's got to come through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think twenty twenty three would probably
Speaker 1: be the aim for him. It was a ninety six
Speaker 1: ops plus and a five point three.
Speaker 2: War one hundredth percentile outs above average.
Speaker 1: Him with Boba Shitt is going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were too hard on
Speaker 2: that move because I think that's an intriguing move for
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays.
Speaker 1: I liked what they did. Eh Menas you play play
Speaker 1: world class defense, some tunder hit the ball very far.
Speaker 2: What do we say about the Brewers every year? It's like, Oh,
Speaker 2: they're gonna prevent runs and they're just gonna win games
Speaker 2: that way. Okay, when teams copy that formula, you should
Speaker 2: be into it. What I mean, well, that's.
Speaker 1: A little different anyways, get better Ernie Clement health wise,
Speaker 1: We knew what you meant healthwise. That Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: the first inspiration. I think Nico Horner. I feel like
Speaker 1: you might fight for him to be higher. I might
Speaker 1: fight for both these guys to be higher because I
Speaker 1: think is as second baseman go Bryce terrage is very interesting.
Speaker 2: It might be like moving the tier up higher.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I might be into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'd be into that too, because.
Speaker 1: Like, these guys are good.
Speaker 2: I think Horner is a lesser glove by a smidge
Speaker 2: than Jimenez, but a much better bat.
Speaker 3: He's been abovely gaveraged four.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, not by a lot. The
Speaker 2: thing is, we know who he is at this point,
Speaker 2: Like we know exactly the kind of player is. I
Speaker 2: don't think we're gonna see much change in that age
Speaker 2: twenty eighth season, still incredibly valuable. Like when the Cubs
Speaker 2: were talking about trading him, I was like, why in
Speaker 2: the world, right would you trade Nicol Horner right now?
Speaker 2: Like in this one year win now window. Also another
Speaker 2: former first round pick second baseman always on the board, crazy.
Speaker 3: Two years left, so they can trade him at the
Speaker 3: deadline and get good value. If this year doesn't go
Speaker 3: to plan.
Speaker 2: Just keep them because you can just keep them.
Speaker 3: But if it goes wrong and then there's a time
Speaker 3: later where he won't, you won't have lost value.
Speaker 2: Yes, So yeah, I'm down to move this tier up
Speaker 2: above wildcards just because like there is no wildcard about
Speaker 2: these guys. You know, they're a great defensive second basemen,
Speaker 2: rack up war and if their league average offensively. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean these guys, when you do the
Speaker 1: side by side on Baseball Reference, I mean it is,
Speaker 1: it is back and forth, it's close. They are they
Speaker 1: are of a similar ilk and it's kind of whatever
Speaker 1: you're looking for. I mean, shouldn't Bryce Terrang be with
Speaker 1: those guys. I know it's one year, but the defense
Speaker 1: and speed is wild.
Speaker 2: I mean he's got the speed tool better than anybody here.
Speaker 2: Fifty swipes only six o'clock stealing last year, Like that's
Speaker 2: kind of the new echelon of like, oh, you're like
Speaker 2: a real base right, like kind of really run run.
Speaker 2: Everyone's getting their twenty now, which is still good, but
Speaker 2: like it's become more commonplace.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of twenties you look at in your life.
Speaker 2: But you see a number like fifty, you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's special. And Terrang for the first half of last
Speaker 2: year was a well above league average hitter if I
Speaker 2: remember correctly, he was let's see here, he was above
Speaker 2: lya g average seven thirty one ops three forty one
Speaker 2: on base like that plays just had a tough second
Speaker 2: outs is. Overall seasons, sets weren't great, but I think
Speaker 2: the Brewers love him mm and you know Pat Murphy
Speaker 2: loves Bryce. First guy out in the field to stretch
Speaker 2: every day, Joey Ortiz second, everyone else there.
Speaker 1: I think they come out as a unit.
Speaker 2: They all link.
Speaker 1: I think they actually take down the dugout rocker kick
Speaker 1: it down Bryce Track thirty three. I only see one
Speaker 1: guy that I think deserves to be joined with these fellows,
Speaker 1: and they might not. It would be bryceon Stott Bryson.
Speaker 2: Stott's interesting had a weird one last year four war
Speaker 2: Player in twenty twenty three, when he was a league
Speaker 2: average bat right mind you, Andris Meantez for war Player
Speaker 2: when he was twenty percent below league average. There's levels,
Speaker 2: but Bryce and Stott might and this might be crazy
Speaker 2: by the end of the season this year, Bryce and
Speaker 2: Stott maybe the Philly shortstop because I could see Trey moving.
Speaker 2: I know there's already some questions there, and Stott's easily
Speaker 2: their best infielder, but by comparison fifty third percent it's
Speaker 2: above average. Last year zero was his value league average.
Speaker 2: So I don't no, I don't know what they want
Speaker 2: to do with him. This is kind of a big
Speaker 2: year for him. Age twenty seven, Philly's window feels like
Speaker 2: it's tightening up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what it is, I feel like
Speaker 1: looking at those guys that were mentioned joining him with Jimenez, Horner, Terrang,
Speaker 1: I feel like I know what I'm getting from those guys. Scott.
Speaker 1: I thought I knew what I was getting, and last
Speaker 1: year kind of threw it offcard that I know he's
Speaker 1: been thrown off that. Yeah, I don't think he deserves
Speaker 1: to be with those guys currently, so maybe he's a
Speaker 1: wildcard for now. I do want to jump back up. Okay,
Speaker 1: we chewed off a lot of the bottom there. You
Speaker 1: know they always say today, they always say good good
Speaker 1: sports shows. Hit him with the Brendan Rodgers, Rojas Tyro first,
Speaker 1: and then you hook him back with our second categories
Speaker 1: labeled five tool light, which is always something I who
Speaker 1: was my first five tool light? Eddie Escobar, Eddie Escabar.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was prime. Eddie was special, he was
Speaker 2: someone signed.
Speaker 1: What could did he do? Does he still want to play?
Speaker 2: I'm sure if someone offered him a minor league deal,
Speaker 2: he'd say yes.
Speaker 3: I'm sure if they pay he plays.
Speaker 2: LT Smith Vibes guy Altimate.
Speaker 1: Loved him as a couple of seasons. Uh, five tool light.
Speaker 1: I like this because there's a couple, a couple of
Speaker 1: really good ballplayers. Yeah, I'll throw at Ozzie Albi's first,
Speaker 1: little monster. He's dealt with some injuries. But when Ozzie's
Speaker 1: out there in healthy, he goes to to do last
Speaker 1: season ninety nine games, the offensive numbers weren't there. The
Speaker 1: season before that, eight forty nine ops out of a
Speaker 1: second baseman, a guy whose career OPS is around eight hundred.
Speaker 1: I I believe in Ozzie. I think you could the
Speaker 1: two years he's or the three years he played full
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen, our big boy second base seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: top of the lineup, thirty homers, like where the two
Speaker 1: injury seasons and two of the last three years the
Speaker 1: numbers aren't there. But he was also hurt, So I don't.
Speaker 1: I still very much believe in twenty eight year old
Speaker 1: Ozzie Alby's. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The way I'm trying to view this tier is like
Speaker 2: these guys are one all five tool light, like the
Speaker 2: tier says, but two, they all have a tool that
Speaker 2: kind of goes toe to toe with Katel, like with
Speaker 2: Kazzi as like his power is toe to toe with
Speaker 2: Katel thirty three homers. You don't see that from Second
Speaker 2: Basement A lot with someone like I don't know your guy,
Speaker 2: Jazz Chisholm speed is very clearly better than Katel, and
Speaker 2: he also brings everything else to the play contacted or
Speaker 2: you know, he's got pop. So like, there's a lot
Speaker 2: to like in someone like Jazz Chislm Junior. Who Yeah,
Speaker 2: like maybe we have not seen the best of Jazz yet.
Speaker 2: We've been kind of wait for that like big big
Speaker 2: Boys season, and we've seen a lot of good slash
Speaker 2: great seasons from him. I don't know, how do you.
Speaker 1: Feel, Jazz or Razzi Jess. I think Jazz Sneaky had
Speaker 1: a breakout season last year. He had twenty four home runs,
Speaker 1: forty solen bases. It was his best year while on
Speaker 1: the Yankees. He played third base for the first time
Speaker 1: in his life.
Speaker 2: Do we know that he's the Second Basement.
Speaker 1: Yes, they've named it, Okay, they talked about it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a world where if somehow a guy
Speaker 3: we might if the races, you know what, we are
Speaker 3: trading Brandon Low right now, I think they'd be fine
Speaker 3: with moving Jazz to third.
Speaker 1: In that instance, he is the Yankee second baseman for now.
Speaker 1: No funny business.
Speaker 2: I'll take it.
Speaker 1: If there's funny business, we'll see forty swipes. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's real. That's real. Came over, had
Speaker 1: a little more juice with the I won't sell anyone on.
Speaker 2: That, I think, no, but I think that's real. Like
Speaker 2: it's the I know the Morns made it in twenty three,
Speaker 2: but this was the first time it was like October
Speaker 2: Jazz like part of something bigger kind of thing, Like
Speaker 2: you're in a franchise that has a direction that I
Speaker 2: think has to affect a player lineup and the way
Speaker 2: they apply themselves and all that stuff. The lineup is
Speaker 2: another important point to make. So yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 2: we don't see a better year from Jazz this year,
Speaker 2: then I'm starting to question who he's going to be
Speaker 2: as a big leaguer. Because we're a age twenty seven season.
Speaker 2: It's time to go and become the best version of yourself.
Speaker 1: Also had some injury troubles in the past, and I
Speaker 1: if anyone's trying to not Yankee. This not a phrase
Speaker 1: Baseball Reference projections, which is a computer. I think it's
Speaker 1: the last three years, and they wait them whatever. Jazz
Speaker 1: Chisholm projected for twenty three homers thirty one seals seven
Speaker 1: seven seventy three ops.
Speaker 2: So I like that.
Speaker 1: Could be more, could be less.
Speaker 2: He might get more than thirty one.
Speaker 1: I think so too, but those are conservative and Jazz
Speaker 1: might have that in the tank.
Speaker 2: We like Jazz.
Speaker 1: A name that ends up on this we like just
Speaker 1: a name that ends up on this list a bit
Speaker 1: surprisingly as of now, and it's only fair is Alex Bregman.
Speaker 2: It's funky, it's full right. It doesn't feel right, it
Speaker 2: feels weird that this is not Josel to they this
Speaker 2: is Alex Bregman.
Speaker 1: And it's not a second base. He just won the
Speaker 1: gold Glove at third.
Speaker 2: We'll do a Bregman discussion. I am still very much
Speaker 2: of the opinion that the Red Sox are going to
Speaker 2: put their foot down and Bregman's going to play third.
Speaker 2: Devs is gonna dah or play first, because that is
Speaker 2: that's the best version of that team. Still, the Bregman's
Speaker 2: story Middle Endfield has my eye was fully raised. I'm intrigued,
Speaker 2: I'm curious. I don't love it, but I do love
Speaker 2: Alex Brackman. We know exactly who he is. I think
Speaker 2: last year, I think he's better than that. Offensively, he
Speaker 2: was still four war players, still hit twenty six home runs.
Speaker 2: The ops took a dip, but I think that with
Speaker 2: Fenway's left.
Speaker 1: Field, a guy who the stadium matters, I mean.
Speaker 2: And also like a breath of fresh air after nine
Speaker 2: years in one place, that's got to do something for
Speaker 2: you too. I like to fit a lot. I like
Speaker 2: the signing when it happened and made a ton of
Speaker 2: sense in my brain. The Red Sox he needed to
Speaker 2: make an impact move like that to get serious again.
Speaker 2: And all the stuff under the hood that you should
Speaker 2: really care about with guys that are getting a little
Speaker 2: bit older, like plate discipline. He was ninety fourth percentile
Speaker 2: on strikeout rate ninety eighth and whiff rate eighty second
Speaker 2: and chase rate like that stuff is all still great.
Speaker 2: It'll translate. I'm excited for Alex Brackman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he felt like a missing piece and they got him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only thing you know, I get it Bregman at
Speaker 1: third Devers DH it does must Taka Yoshida was okay
Speaker 1: last year in his second year, and I think there's
Speaker 1: more in there. I don't know if he goes to
Speaker 1: if Devers goes to DH and Bregman goes to third,
Speaker 1: you're then starting Hamilton or Roming Gonzales at second, which
Speaker 1: isn't like it's not terrible, not terrible, but it's also
Speaker 1: I think Yoshida.
Speaker 2: Yoshida feels like an odd man out to me, and
Speaker 2: he could still get traded.
Speaker 1: Like I know, more can happen, but like I I
Speaker 1: think the Red Sox, I guess their best case lineup
Speaker 1: if Pregnant can play second well, which we're assuming.
Speaker 2: I mean he was ninety first percentile at third at
Speaker 2: third base.
Speaker 1: If Devers is okay at third, which he's had times
Speaker 1: of okay, I think I'd like Yoshida at DH again,
Speaker 1: at least against righties.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna find out. We're gonna see it in April,
Speaker 2: for sure, we'll see that's a promise, but I think
Speaker 2: we might see some mid season adjustments. But I'm happy
Speaker 2: to have him.
Speaker 1: Here, and I think he deserves to be on that
Speaker 1: second tier and could for one year, could he outplay
Speaker 1: Caatel Marte.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's happened, absolutely, And that's the other thing about
Speaker 2: this year. Any one of these guys could outplay Catel
Speaker 2: Marte this year in my opinion, I don't know. If
Speaker 2: you don't know, then they might not belong up here.
Speaker 1: They belong, But katel Tell good, does anyone else deserve
Speaker 1: to be in five tool light?
Speaker 2: I think just out of respect Marcus Semyon, I'm open
Speaker 2: to that. I think I know last year wasn't awesome.
Speaker 2: In fact, last year was tough, like we can be
Speaker 2: World Series hangover, pretty frank about it. He went from
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one to now seven or five and a
Speaker 2: half four, seven and a half four four war still
Speaker 2: an exceptional player, still on All Stars, still twenty three
Speaker 2: home runs, only missed three games, which is what Marcus does.
Speaker 2: He gets on the field every.
Speaker 1: Seven and a half war. The year before is like,
Speaker 1: that's what Kittel did.
Speaker 2: Last year. Kattell was a seven and a half four
Speaker 2: player if he played the full season. So if one
Speaker 2: year moved from that, I'm not just gonna forget that.
Speaker 2: Gotta get that slug up though, too.
Speaker 1: MVP threes slug the four hundred is kind of scary
Speaker 1: that whole Texas team had last year.
Speaker 3: They were just all hungover.
Speaker 2: They're all getting the benefit of the doubt for me
Speaker 2: in on that Marcus Smion does not give me the ick.
Speaker 2: He was nice. I like them.
Speaker 1: I think he should be extra and extra in movies.
Speaker 2: He cracked wise, but he was also all business.
Speaker 1: Like you say he cracked wise. How old are you
Speaker 1: say that I do the crossroad on the train. That's
Speaker 1: when you're mad at the Mets in forty years.
Speaker 2: That's not a now for wile man.
Speaker 3: I really want to petition the name of this two
Speaker 3: to be respect with the two, because the other three
Speaker 3: guys besides Alby's all where or have worn number two.
Speaker 1: Where Albi's does.
Speaker 3: But in the case of all them, we are like
Speaker 3: respecting they should wear number two, you know.
Speaker 2: Feels like it. If you asked me what number Alby's wore,
Speaker 2: I would say number two.
Speaker 3: I believe he's number one to wearing two.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's like basically the we'll see mess around with it, jolly.
Speaker 1: This next one is probably gonna get split up or
Speaker 1: I don't know, because at first we were thinking of
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Rays. I put raise up is up there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if these are guys that can
Speaker 1: raise up I think I think a couple of the
Speaker 1: names have raised connections and could have a special season. Dude,
Speaker 1: where does hell t is?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 1: Listen? Never mind, I just saw his picture. I forgot
Speaker 1: he's just left over the star fielder. Now that threw
Speaker 1: me off for a second. Well, hold on, hold the phone.
Speaker 1: There's one guy that you're higher on than I, higher
Speaker 1: on than I thought. Who's a five tool like guy? Maybe?
Speaker 2: I think definitely, I.
Speaker 1: Was surprised you were pushing for this because I this
Speaker 1: team has ruined.
Speaker 2: Me, mark my words, Jake's story, Ellie. When we are
Speaker 2: back here next year for twenty twenty six tier lists,
Speaker 2: the man who will be in our highest tier is
Speaker 2: Matt McLean. I think Matt McLean is stupid good, and
Speaker 2: I think we got robbed of what he's truly capable
Speaker 2: of last year when he got that freak injury in
Speaker 2: spring training, playing a little too hard like we all
Speaker 2: do sometimes.
Speaker 1: Four war in ninety games in this rookie year, I
Speaker 1: know that's really damn good, dude.
Speaker 2: You said it all the time. He was better than
Speaker 2: Ellie was when everyone was talking about Ellie. He's still
Speaker 2: finished fifth and rocking of the year, voning he only
Speaker 2: paid half the season. I really like Matt McClain. Also
Speaker 2: the vibe I got in the Reds clubhouse that dude
Speaker 2: is like a leader there. They already looked at him
Speaker 2: that way, and that that does something for me. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna lie to you. I am very, very excited
Speaker 2: for Matt McLain this year. Another former first round pick.
Speaker 2: By the way, Uh, we can contest it, but he
Speaker 2: is in.
Speaker 1: My second If I can dream on youth, he's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's worse than correct wise, I dream on youth.
Speaker 1: And it's not even what I want to say at all.
Speaker 2: It's a crime in some states.
Speaker 1: If I wanted to dream on simeon getting respect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what Matt McClain did when he played baseball was very good,
Speaker 1: high level good. It feels feels weird putting him with
Speaker 1: some of these cats. Man Alex Bragman just got forty
Speaker 1: mil a year.
Speaker 2: Here's my thing.
Speaker 1: If Matt McLean is league average this year, you're stunned
Speaker 1: coming off a big injury.
Speaker 2: I have an important question. Take away all the emotions,
Speaker 2: take away the swag, whatever. Okay, would you rather have
Speaker 2: the achy second basement jesss Chisholm or Matt McLean.
Speaker 1: For this year? For this year? Only jazz. That's a
Speaker 1: real injury. Yeah, that's a real injury.
Speaker 2: A year off.
Speaker 1: You're taking a chance on McLean. I'm liking my chances,
Speaker 1: and that's fine.
Speaker 3: I like McLean a lot. I feel like if he'd
Speaker 3: come back even for like the last month and was
Speaker 3: pretty good, just to show it and line of real
Speaker 3: good numbers, I would, yeah, whatever, throw them up there.
Speaker 3: Everything I've seen is good.
Speaker 2: Ninetieth percentile sprint speed eighty percent, it's above it. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: so five tool light is what I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: You mentioned he finished fifth and Rookie of the year. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: pretty good. Who are the guys ahead of him?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's find out.
Speaker 1: Corbyn Carroll pretty good? How is his follow up?
Speaker 2: Here? You get a sophomore slump? Sure? Also finished that
Speaker 2: you were a pretty solid numbruk but had hurt shoulder.
Speaker 1: Took a step back, shoulder. James Altman, Oh yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: remember James Almond, Nolan Jones hurt? What I say now, hurt?
Speaker 2: All these guys got hurt. That's kind of wild.
Speaker 1: Six play Spencer Steer M. I don't think he should
Speaker 1: be with them yet. I want him to be, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want him to be.
Speaker 2: And we know you paid off BBD, so you're getting
Speaker 2: his vote.
Speaker 1: Gotta show me bullshit, Gotta show.
Speaker 2: Me he's gonna twenty twenty three, you're gonna be You're
Speaker 2: gonna look foolish.
Speaker 1: When you don't play baseball for a little while. It's
Speaker 1: tough to play baseball. Can I say something fatist if
Speaker 1: you'll let me say something. Jazz looks a little weird
Speaker 1: in that group before now, not gonna lie because you're racist, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean three of the four.
Speaker 2: Closely.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Do you.
Speaker 1: For full seasons? What Simeon has done well, Bregman has.
Speaker 2: Done, Jazz has never had a three worse.
Speaker 1: I could bring jazz with Matt McLean.
Speaker 2: I think they kind of have to go have qualms
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 3: But jolly, what you're not getting as he was just
Speaker 3: nice to us.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that's kind of also why.
Speaker 1: I no, I'm I'm actually I'm okay with them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fair.
Speaker 2: It's exactly what you said, like just track record.
Speaker 1: Ready for both of them to raise up on that
Speaker 1: raise up line as we've now leaked into it. I
Speaker 1: love Brandon.
Speaker 2: Lao forty Ho Brandon Lau.
Speaker 1: Watch out for him at a minor league ballpark this year.
Speaker 1: That happens to have a short porch cheez, Like when
Speaker 1: Brandon Lao is healthy, Uh, that man hits.
Speaker 2: Are you on his page or no, I'm not. Career
Speaker 2: career ops plus guest on Brandon Lao in seven years
Speaker 2: and six hundred games.
Speaker 1: Good job on the nose.
Speaker 2: On the nose, No, yep, eight twelve career ops plus
Speaker 2: don't say that.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yes, though, wild he's really fucking good. Like this
Speaker 1: is what I was Yeah, hunting for lefty bats this offseason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like, wait, so he makes ten mil this year,
Speaker 1: team mill for eleven and a half next year. Uh,
Speaker 1: the man has an injury history. He's not like five tools.
Speaker 1: The speed's never been in the bag, defense has never
Speaker 1: been flashy. It's just one hundred and nine games in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, twenty one home runs, one hundred and
Speaker 1: seven games last year, twenty one home runs.
Speaker 2: And like the Rays need that's so bad because they
Speaker 2: just didn't hit last year, like he is their best hitteror.
Speaker 1: The one year he played over one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: games he had thirty nine Homers like.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I think in maybe three years,
Speaker 2: Brandon low isn't a second basement anymore. But he is
Speaker 2: right now, and like, you know, he's going to be defensive.
Speaker 1: You can have a weird vagabond. He's gonna have a
Speaker 1: weird veg.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be like Peterson type path
Speaker 2: or like he's like not an outfielder anymore, and maybe
Speaker 2: he only plays against righties.
Speaker 1: I have a fun fact I'm not sure if I
Speaker 1: can share, but I'm gonna share it. Lawrence the band, Yeah, Clyde,
Speaker 1: Yeah they were here once, they were here. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: his now girlfriend maybe fiance dated Brandon Loud. What do
Speaker 1: you think that?
Speaker 2: What you think?
Speaker 1: What do I think?
Speaker 2: What did she think?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, And it was kind of funny when I
Speaker 1: found that out. I was kind of rooting for Brandon
Speaker 1: Laud to come to the Yankees, which you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know where the that's just how your brain work.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's anyways.
Speaker 3: I've already went Homer paced the last two years when
Speaker 3: he's played.
Speaker 2: You really guessed one twenty five on the nose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good. That I didn't think that number
Speaker 1: was right, but I thought it was in the area that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brandon Low gives you a buck forty five, you're going
Speaker 1: to have one of the best, maybe the best offensive
Speaker 1: season from a second base. And he's a ray. That
Speaker 1: was kind of part of it.
Speaker 2: So these are locked. I feel really good about where
Speaker 2: her tear list is atky and I looked at the
Speaker 2: remaining roster for wild cards and wherever else, and I
Speaker 2: got nauseous.
Speaker 1: Mmmm. Let me see. I just want to see who
Speaker 1: jumps out as good so and raise up Jazz Low
Speaker 1: McClain kind of like that deserve each other kind of
Speaker 1: about that. When I look at the available players left
Speaker 1: on the board, who do I think is the best player? Hm?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: And I'll just go through the names quick so you
Speaker 1: can play this game at home while we while we
Speaker 1: think on it. I am seeing Labor Torres, I'm seeing
Speaker 1: Michael Massey, I'm seeing Rin Hifo, Jeff McNeil, Jake Cronenworth,
Speaker 1: Tyler Fitzgerald, and Dylan Moore from your Seattle Mariners and
Speaker 1: Stodter right, and would you just say I had Stott
Speaker 1: on the board and wild card I don't know why,
Speaker 1: and I'm here he's on dirty Jersey.
Speaker 2: So we kind of So we got eight guys. Very interesting.
Speaker 1: I feel like Bryce and Scott does get a dirty
Speaker 1: jersey lot, but that's for another time.
Speaker 3: Vibes wise, I feel like he does fit lives.
Speaker 2: Do we want to say, oh, we.
Speaker 1: Said he's not good enough and I kind of agree.
Speaker 2: Do we want to say who we think the best
Speaker 2: of the eight is on three?
Speaker 1: Okay? So if you got and this is for next season,
Speaker 1: this is for yeah, this season. If you got one
Speaker 1: second basement and you could.
Speaker 2: Pick from any of these eight, who would they or nine?
Speaker 2: The numbers? I think I have mine. I think I
Speaker 2: have mine, and I kind of hate it.
Speaker 1: I'm between two that I don't like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I kind of hate it.
Speaker 1: I think I have my leader.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're ready in three?
Speaker 1: Two one?
Speaker 2: Tyler Gerald? That was my other one? Were you between
Speaker 2: him and Fitzgerald or no?
Speaker 1: Tyler Fitzgerald?
Speaker 2: I just that dude, raked.
Speaker 1: I know, but it's ninety six games, Like Matt McLean,
Speaker 1: I know, I get fooled, all right, assume me.
Speaker 2: I'm a believer.
Speaker 1: I like that you believe.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It feels like it should be your team's mod.
Speaker 2: Three months is a long time him Jake so annoying.
Speaker 1: Motto.
Speaker 2: Good, you know what I'm gonna say. Good at least
Speaker 2: not a former first round pick. Dam some stuff under
Speaker 2: the hood isn't great. On Tyler Fitzgerald's chase rate, strikeout rate,
Speaker 2: even outs above average, he didn't grade out very well
Speaker 2: one hundredth percentile sprint.
Speaker 1: Speed okay, with some pop off king So.
Speaker 2: He's kind of all over the place, and he.
Speaker 1: Did he did those defensive metrics. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of that is short stip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last year. So like I like him ticking up there.
Speaker 1: Hey, but he's a wild card. He's a wild card.
Speaker 1: He's a wildcard. That's fine, Like I would probably there's
Speaker 1: no offensive Giants fans or Tyler Fitzgerald. Like I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Stott and Fitzgerald, I would I would take stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for next.
Speaker 1: Season, I would, And that could be super wrong. Like
Speaker 1: I hope Tyler Fitzgerald's a stud. I hope him and
Speaker 1: Matt McClain top of the list, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Now, you can't put him up.
Speaker 1: It don't past the sniff test. And I just hope
Speaker 1: it's horribly wrong. And we're talking about how good the
Speaker 1: Giants infield this is. But Louis Garcia.
Speaker 2: You did mention Louis Garcia.
Speaker 1: He raised up, he did stepped up. He's crazy, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess that's you know where this God damn it
Speaker 1: to Louis Garcia's.
Speaker 3: He's Louis Garcia junior.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Reference last year as a twenty four year old,
Speaker 1: two point two war season, eighteen homers, twenty two stolen bases,
Speaker 1: a one to fifteen oh ps plus like that, he's
Speaker 1: played a decent amount of ball at this point because
Speaker 1: the Nationals are out of their mind.
Speaker 2: Called him up as a twenty year old, called him up.
Speaker 1: At age twenty that if you take out the early
Speaker 1: early years, you know, the past three years from ages
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty four, this is you know, Tyler
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald had not been a major leaguer yet Louis Garcia
Speaker 1: was getting pro at bats. He's not an on bass guy.
Speaker 1: Thirty four and thirty four homers and stolen basis.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 1: Like that that at age twenty five, with a better
Speaker 1: Nationals team around him, like could we not look down
Speaker 1: and see twenty two twenty five, twenty twenty two thirty
Speaker 1: something like that, and then what are we talking about
Speaker 1: as a switch hitting second basement or left handed hitting basics.
Speaker 2: He is very fun to watch. I will say he
Speaker 2: doesn't get his walks and he's kind of shown that
Speaker 2: that's that's not his It's a dangerous game. It's a
Speaker 2: dangerous game to play, but when it when it goes right, uh,
Speaker 2: it makes for a very fun ballplayer to watch. So
Speaker 2: I like Louis Garcia Junior only going to be twenty
Speaker 2: five years old, Like we could still see better versions
Speaker 2: of him, especially with what you said in a much
Speaker 2: better national sign up than we had, you know, even
Speaker 2: two years ago. But yeah, he's he's a wildcard.
Speaker 1: And I've got an up cell that I think people
Speaker 1: could use against it if they wanted to platoon. But
Speaker 1: he's on the good side of the platoon atleast. Garcia
Speaker 1: against righty's last year to eighty eight three twenty six
Speaker 1: A seven ninety six ops against lefties a six forty
Speaker 1: one ops.
Speaker 2: Who do he platoon with? I should know this.
Speaker 1: I think he played in that Star Problem like Star Platoo,
Speaker 1: which again maybe he gets a little better verse lefties
Speaker 1: after seeing them, or maybe he doesn't. But dude, you
Speaker 1: give me an eight hundred ops hitter against right handed
Speaker 1: pitching at second base?
Speaker 3: Out raise ups?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think his platoon Maate was like il Tomorrow
Speaker 2: Vargus or something. So get me a lefty masher.
Speaker 1: We'll bleep that out. Let's get the best trade for Tyro.
Speaker 2: Trade for Brendan Rodgers would have been a good fit.
Speaker 3: Eighty nine percent tile oaa like that wildcord.
Speaker 1: No, it's really weird. Yeah, he hit left handed star pictures.
Speaker 1: He must have gotten mauled by relievers.
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that that baseball reference like left left
Speaker 3: starter split. I believe that's games a left handed picture started.
Speaker 3: But that includes the believers that they got to face.
Speaker 1: Interest you guys, really it's crazy that that's the way
Speaker 1: they split it.
Speaker 3: But I remember there's a talking Yanks. Where do you
Speaker 3: think he could raise up?
Speaker 2: Do I think he could raise up? Oh? Who would
Speaker 2: you rather have it?
Speaker 1: I think he deserves to be with Matt McLean. You
Speaker 1: can say it, who would you rather have? Nico Horner
Speaker 1: or LuSE Carcio Jr. I don't think I can put
Speaker 1: them above Shut my ass, sorry.
Speaker 2: Boss, I mean yeah, with that You can ask that
Speaker 2: question with any of these guys, like who would you
Speaker 2: rather have the known platinum Glove caliber second baseman or
Speaker 2: the wild card?
Speaker 1: They are a real deportation line.
Speaker 2: Can you say that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like that was a phrase
Speaker 1: felt wrong.
Speaker 2: I think like dividing line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, line, isn't there a line of demarkation of Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I meant.
Speaker 2: There you go the line of tea board.
Speaker 1: Just trying to get into the YouTube for a different
Speaker 1: You got to say the right words. I think that
Speaker 1: line of Dirty Jersey of Jimenez Horner Terang is very
Speaker 1: interest because it's like, yeah, I'd rather have Matt McLean.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I'd rather have Brandon low in the
Speaker 1: chance to hit forty homers. But yeah for Fitzgerald Stott,
Speaker 1: I I'll take the guys I can rely upon.
Speaker 2: You know who I really want to be in Dirty Jersey.
Speaker 2: I want Dylan Moore up.
Speaker 1: There is Dylan Moore good.
Speaker 2: I think Dylan Wore is good and I just never
Speaker 2: think about him.
Speaker 1: The Mariners need to, like power numbers are crazy.
Speaker 2: They need to let him play a position. Look at
Speaker 2: the position cal him on his Baseball Reference. It's nauseating.
Speaker 2: He plays nine positions every year. It's hard to be
Speaker 2: a good ballplayer and you never know where you're gonna play.
Speaker 1: Won the gold Glove last year. Last year, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: Stuff Man hit ten are still thirty two bases. He's
Speaker 1: had three twenty stolen base seasons in the past four years.
Speaker 1: He's been abovely gathered wild wildcard. A wildcard got the
Speaker 1: stick though, the complete wild.
Speaker 2: One ten ops plus the last three years.
Speaker 1: Come on, Hey, everything I've learned to believe about Seattle
Speaker 1: played Dylan Moore at second base for a year. There's
Speaker 1: a wild card though, like he just is.
Speaker 2: I guess all right, here's here's a good question. Who
Speaker 2: would you rather have as your second basement next year?
Speaker 2: Your choice of a dirty Jersey guy doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2: Who or Jake Cronenworth.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the dirty jersey guy.
Speaker 2: See this one.
Speaker 1: I have messed with Crone a lot. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a guy that should never have played first base in
Speaker 1: his career, but first number, especially the past three years.
Speaker 1: I know he's a guy who's been nice to us.
Speaker 1: It's got a great name. This last two years are tough,
Speaker 1: you know, Like last year was a nice bounce back,
Speaker 1: but that was to get back to.
Speaker 2: Yeah average, Yeah, no, I see what you're saying. So
Speaker 2: I want to believe in all these guys, but yeah,
Speaker 2: they're kind of just they're all kind of missing something,
Speaker 2: whether it's like track record or like they're coming off
Speaker 2: a down year or their good year was only half
Speaker 2: a season, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I think if you're going by stats and there could
Speaker 1: be another column made up, maybe like the rest of
Speaker 1: the wild cards, I think I would take over cronin Worth.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, like including like McNeil and Glaber.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, the guy's currently on the back, Stott, Garcia, Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: Dylan Moore. I think I would take all of them
Speaker 1: over cronan Worth.
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right.
Speaker 1: And I guess it gets into team. You know, who's
Speaker 1: a wildcard. I'm taking Cronworth off because I think we
Speaker 1: need a new category. I think Michael mass he's a
Speaker 1: goddamn wild Ye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the third best hitter on the playoff team
Speaker 2: last year, right, I think he's got more in there.
Speaker 2: I think he does too. He was kind of a
Speaker 2: pest pretty swing. Yeah, like you said that during one
Speaker 2: talking baseball last year. And I was like, he says
Speaker 2: that about everybody. And then I watched it and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's a pretty swing. He said that about him,
Speaker 2: He said that about a lot of people.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, calling me in a question, Luis fran
Speaker 1: He fills a wild card.
Speaker 2: In terms of his health. Yes, if he's on the field,
Speaker 2: you know exactly what you're gonna get, do you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: two or three years in a row, fifteen homers.
Speaker 1: Ish, those are with injuries and stuff.
Speaker 3: Right the stick broke out, But he kind of can't
Speaker 3: defend career high.
Speaker 2: In games one twenty seven. It's been in the league
Speaker 2: for six years. Kind of don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think we need to make a new two.
Speaker 2: I think I think there is a cronin Renhitho McNeil,
Speaker 2: Glaber tieres of like Fats like best yours behind us
Speaker 2: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Are these all former Yankees?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Former and future?
Speaker 3: What do you mean all former future Yanks?
Speaker 1: I've talked about all four of these guys being a Yankee.
Speaker 3: Well, actually not McNeil. People have done him.
Speaker 2: You could see any of these guys on either New
Speaker 2: York team. I could say that. I thought Slaber might
Speaker 2: have been a met this offseason. I thought they were
Speaker 2: gonna do some funky stuff there.
Speaker 1: These are all just future Yankees, future new Yorkers.
Speaker 2: I think future New Yorkers or past and president new Yorkers.
Speaker 1: Maybe ghosts. What do you as ghosts of New York past?
Speaker 1: Like kron and Worth we did episodes on cron.
Speaker 3: Is there something about it being like a fun day dream,
Speaker 3: like because like all four of these guys like, oh
Speaker 3: you got you get them you you talk yourself into
Speaker 3: the year. They're gonna have their ability to fall, you know,
Speaker 3: follow through in a moment.
Speaker 2: Because like all these guys could get Tradedeh.
Speaker 3: How much is probably six.
Speaker 1: Four years Yankees were Yankee fans were hoping to get
Speaker 1: croning Worth back and a Stanton dump.
Speaker 3: Or to or To as the sweet as and Soto
Speaker 3: as the sweetener two years ago. Like for taking that on?
Speaker 2: I mean, are these can you consider these guys vets?
Speaker 2: They're all like in their late twenties now holds a
Speaker 2: clabor twenty eight clabors.
Speaker 1: Right, it's good when it goes wrong.
Speaker 3: It's so about will Will have a good month?
Speaker 2: Is he just dead to you?
Speaker 3: The defense is so bad and like too many routine
Speaker 3: plays that don't happen, and like with not a lot,
Speaker 3: you know, you can't even like shack free throat and
Speaker 3: be like when the moment matters, Like no, when the
Speaker 3: moment matters, it gets worse. It's like, I think he's
Speaker 3: gonna hit this year. I think he's gonna hit a ton.
Speaker 1: America is tough, it is, but he's hit there.
Speaker 3: And like he's more of a doubles guy anyway that
Speaker 3: gets this like true profile.
Speaker 1: Like he let off and was so good in front
Speaker 1: of Soto and Judge for three months including the postseason.
Speaker 1: McNeil's done the every other thing your guy.
Speaker 2: Great second half last year, nine to fifteen ops in
Speaker 2: the second half. Then he hurt his wrist.
Speaker 1: Okay, like these guys can bring it, but it's just
Speaker 1: like enigmas or enemas.
Speaker 3: Or will something with all these guys are like they
Speaker 3: will hit to walk off this year. Trump's nice to say.
Speaker 2: McNeil had one last year. I'm assuming Labor did labor.
Speaker 3: It happens like Corona Worth. I feel like it like
Speaker 3: gets timely hits. I don't know if that's literally.
Speaker 2: There's something with like their fan base loves them more
Speaker 2: than everyone else. I think like everyone else sees them
Speaker 2: for what they are, but their fan bases love them.
Speaker 1: Wow, beer goggles.
Speaker 2: I think beer goggles is pretty accurate because, like you know,
Speaker 2: Tigers fans want to believe in twenty nineteen Labor coming
Speaker 2: back in a way they should, Mets fans want to
Speaker 2: believe well, Matt's fans want to believe in batting title,
Speaker 2: McNeil coming back, Patres fans obviously want early stages Croninworths back,
Speaker 2: and then Angels fans just want Raineval to stay healthy
Speaker 2: but he never has.
Speaker 1: And again like the nine well, the nine hole hitter,
Speaker 1: I mean, Labor and McNeil have led off Ronifo been
Speaker 1: in the middle of the line up a lot like
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So with our current list, I'll go down
Speaker 1: the board. You tell me if you need to change
Speaker 1: one thing. One man party, It's a Marte party, Martel
Speaker 1: five to a light, Ozzy Albie's, Alex Bregman and Marcus
Speaker 1: Simeon kind of some legends. Some Jolly Olive videos raise
Speaker 1: up Brandon Low, Matt McClain and Jazz chiselm potential one
Speaker 1: potential there, the dirty Jerseys, the line of demarcation. Nice
Speaker 1: Andre Samanez, Nico Horner, and Bryce Terrang the wild Carts,
Speaker 1: Bryce and Stott? What do you got? Tyler Fitzgerald, Luis Garcia,
Speaker 1: Tylon Moore and Michael Massis.
Speaker 2: That feels like a solid tires.
Speaker 1: It isn't.
Speaker 3: It isn't like when I'm looking on like that, my
Speaker 3: gut does say Stott belongs more Dirty Jerseys than that group,
Speaker 3: but he his last year, last year, I know the numbers.
Speaker 1: I think it's funny that the beer goggles are kind
Speaker 1: of guys. If you look at them through beer goggles,
Speaker 1: you want more than the Wildcard.
Speaker 2: Their ceilings are higher.
Speaker 1: You have a couple happy hours and you're like, I
Speaker 1: want glaibe at the top. But like, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, dot against this.
Speaker 2: If you put them on a graph, the Wildcards, I
Speaker 2: feel like they're like more of a straight line, and
Speaker 2: then everyone below them is like high highs and low lows,
Speaker 2: like to the point where it could really hurt your team.
Speaker 1: Yes, you are the beer goggles can hurt your The
Speaker 1: toddler in Tierra's tier, hang on, that was an audible?
Speaker 2: Is that happening good? Why not?
Speaker 3: YEA?
Speaker 1: By the way, holiday burrito, This Marlin is gonna kill me, Otto, Lopez,
Speaker 1: High Song Kim, who could fly up this list in
Speaker 1: a moment he feels like his jersey could get dirty
Speaker 1: quick gel Off, brooks Lee, who knows Nick and Zales
Speaker 1: Sorry Pirates fans, I like him.
Speaker 2: I have a proposal for this tier, not so elongate
Speaker 2: the episode I would. I'm proposing Toddler tier and then
Speaker 2: a tier above it. Toddlers with us, and I think
Speaker 2: we move up like Holiday, I sunk him, maybe even
Speaker 2: Nickenzalz because I feel like I believe in some of
Speaker 2: these guys in this year a lot more than us,
Speaker 2: just us.
Speaker 1: Being rude to like the Marlins. Like if we had
Speaker 1: watched at O Lopez was a Yankee, would we say
Speaker 1: he's not in a Tierra.
Speaker 3: They're Todds bro brooks Lee's a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I like one, They're tots.
Speaker 2: I like one. Brito.
Speaker 1: Let this be known the Goates, Gorman, Tyro Rogers, Rojas
Speaker 1: all too Big again is on ours because he just moved.
Speaker 2: Rogers might hit twenty home runs.
Speaker 1: The whole bottom this This list was messy. This was
Speaker 1: a beautiful mess. I like where we landed, though. I
Speaker 1: think these are true tears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are good.
Speaker 1: These are true tears. I guess let us know why
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