1 00:00:00,210 --> 00:00:27,620 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,660 --> 00:00:31,250 Speaker 1: the show, fellow ridiculous historians. Thank you, as always, so 3 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,589 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's hear it for the man 4 00:00:34,650 --> 00:00:38,110 Speaker 1: who never forgets, our super producer, Mr. Max Williams. 5 00:00:39,630 --> 00:00:42,270 Speaker 2: I am like an elephant in many ways. 6 00:00:42,430 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: Max, like an elephant. There it is. 7 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,180 Speaker 1: That's Noel Brown. I'm Ben Bullen. And Noel, you and 8 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: I and Max are very excited because this is a 9 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: series we get to do Every so often, and the 10 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,550 Speaker 1: best way to say it is we do so much research, 11 00:01:02,590 --> 00:01:05,850 Speaker 1: we do so many episodes with our team, and we 12 00:01:05,950 --> 00:01:07,929 Speaker 1: can't always get to everything. 13 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:10,250 Speaker 3: No, it's true, and this is exactly the kind of 14 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:16,150 Speaker 3: episode that builds over time. Yes, yes. 15 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:22,330 Speaker 1: Backstage, folks, we call this our leftovers research. It is 16 00:01:22,569 --> 00:01:25,770 Speaker 1: all the stuff we didn't get to. Now, it's no 17 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:30,050 Speaker 1: secret that we are recording on September 24th, and by 18 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:34,709 Speaker 1: the time you hear this, there's a strong possibility that Noel, Max, 19 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:37,930 Speaker 1: and yours truly are will be in Bermuda. 20 00:01:38,209 --> 00:01:38,929 Speaker 3: Lost at sea. 21 00:01:39,290 --> 00:01:39,970 Speaker 1: Lost at sea. 22 00:01:41,250 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: Battling El Nino. 23 00:01:43,140 --> 00:01:46,180 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, which is not that Nino this year. Well, 24 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: it's apparently Spanish for the Nino. 25 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. 26 00:01:50,380 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: So this is kind of a clip show format for 27 00:01:54,670 --> 00:01:58,210 Speaker 1: us here. We are going to introduce you to a 28 00:01:58,310 --> 00:02:02,010 Speaker 1: lot of concepts that that we didn't originally get to 29 00:02:02,170 --> 00:02:03,090 Speaker 1: in previous shows. 30 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:05,370 Speaker 3: Well, I will say that is what makes this different 31 00:02:05,410 --> 00:02:08,869 Speaker 3: than like, say, a Simpsons clip show, which is recycled 32 00:02:08,910 --> 00:02:12,670 Speaker 3: stuff that you've already seen. You may have heard thematically 33 00:02:12,770 --> 00:02:14,829 Speaker 3: related material that we're going to talk about today, but 34 00:02:14,870 --> 00:02:17,130 Speaker 3: you haven't heard these. That's the very nature of this 35 00:02:17,169 --> 00:02:17,850 Speaker 3: whole exercise. 36 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:21,930 Speaker 1: Yes, and we are working with live fire. We're not 37 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:25,370 Speaker 1: sure how it is going to go. But I was thinking, 38 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:32,380 Speaker 1: you guys, given that Ridiculous history has been going on since, what, Noel, 2017? 39 00:02:32,380 --> 00:02:32,900 Speaker 3: I believe you. 40 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:35,459 Speaker 1: When we signed up for a six-week tour. 41 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:38,380 Speaker 2: It is 2017. Even though I was not on the 42 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,660 Speaker 2: voyage on that tour quite yet, I can tell you 43 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,700 Speaker 2: in the archives it started in 2017. 44 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: Keeper of the archives. Yeah, yeah. 45 00:02:45,700 --> 00:02:50,060 Speaker 1: We're becoming a storied podcast. We're still not as storied 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,100 Speaker 1: as another famous show whose anniversary happens to be today, 47 00:02:55,430 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: you guys. Today, September 24th, as we record, is the 48 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: anniversary of the first episode of 60 Minutes. 49 00:03:12,940 --> 00:03:17,980 Speaker 3: Yeah, what an iconic tick, you know, kind of a bummer, though. 50 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm not mistaken, through all these like 51 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,559 Speaker 3: weird Trumpy media acquisitions, 60 Minutes kind of had their 52 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: wings clipped a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it's a bummer. 53 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: And the show was pretty controversial when it started out. 54 00:03:30,940 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Even the original host were kind of skeptical. If we 55 00:03:36,460 --> 00:03:39,900 Speaker 1: go to our friends at Britannica, we're going to see 56 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:44,020 Speaker 1: the following. Viewers tune in. It's a Tuesday night. It's 57 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: 10 p.m. 58 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:45,660 Speaker 3: They see. 59 00:03:46,540 --> 00:03:50,540 Speaker 1: The first episode of 60 Minutes, there are these two hosts, 60 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:55,750 Speaker 1: Harry Reasoner, talk about nominative determinism, and Mike Wallace. They're 61 00:03:55,870 --> 00:03:59,230 Speaker 1: sitting in a very simple set, the kind of thing 62 00:03:59,270 --> 00:04:01,970 Speaker 1: you would see on a YouTube podcast today, and they're 63 00:04:01,990 --> 00:04:06,290 Speaker 1: trying to tell people what the show is. Reasoner says, 64 00:04:06,890 --> 00:04:09,650 Speaker 1: think of it like a magazine for television. 65 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:11,870 Speaker 3: Well, I guess they did kind of pioneer that format, 66 00:04:11,890 --> 00:04:12,150 Speaker 3: didn't they? 67 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:13,460 Speaker 1: I think you're right. 68 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,540 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. 69 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:19,700 Speaker 1: And Reasoner here was very excited about this new endeavor, 70 00:04:20,190 --> 00:04:24,270 Speaker 1: but his pal Mike Wallace was kind of skeptical. On 71 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:30,210 Speaker 1: the first episode, as Reasoner is waxing poetic about magazines 72 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:34,630 Speaker 1: for television, Wallace is going, I don't know, man, we'll see. 73 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,900 Speaker 3: That's like when my friend told me what Twitter was, 74 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:39,310 Speaker 3: and I was like, that'll never work. That makes no sense. 75 00:04:39,350 --> 00:04:43,390 Speaker 3: Nobody won. That's not enough. That's not enough characters. Exactly. 76 00:04:43,570 --> 00:04:47,730 Speaker 1: I was the same way, man. So it's also interesting 77 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:51,350 Speaker 1: that a lot of what we associate with 60 Minutes today, 78 00:04:51,370 --> 00:04:53,930 Speaker 1: that tick, tick, tick that we were talking about, it 79 00:04:54,029 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: wasn't there in the beginning. It didn't become a fixture 80 00:04:57,390 --> 00:05:01,770 Speaker 1: until several episodes later, actually until 1968. Jeez, that old? 81 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: It's that old, dude. 82 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,750 Speaker 3: I mean, I know we just announced the anniversary, but 83 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:10,790 Speaker 3: it still kind of blows my mind. I guess it's 84 00:05:10,810 --> 00:05:12,430 Speaker 3: one of those things that's kind of always been a 85 00:05:13,190 --> 00:05:16,750 Speaker 3: fixture since we've been alive. And also, I think it 86 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:18,969 Speaker 3: was also kind of what marked the end of like 87 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:23,020 Speaker 3: fun television. Like in terms of when it came on, 88 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 3: you knew there wasn't going to be any more like, 89 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,180 Speaker 3: you know, full house or whatever it was. That's kind of, 90 00:05:27,180 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: that's when the adult time kicked in. That's right. 91 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bedtime show. And eventually it got a 92 00:05:33,620 --> 00:05:37,110 Speaker 1: Sunday night time slot which is prime time that happened 93 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:39,510 Speaker 1: in 1975 well and it makes sense. 94 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:41,370 Speaker 3: That Wallace would be skeptical about this new format because 95 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:44,669 Speaker 3: his background was in like early like hard news you 96 00:05:44,710 --> 00:05:48,409 Speaker 3: know he uh anchored the CBS morning show um and 97 00:05:48,450 --> 00:05:51,450 Speaker 3: did a lot of coverage of the Vietnam war so 98 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:55,270 Speaker 3: maybe in his mind this whole magazine format for tv 99 00:05:55,310 --> 00:05:58,630 Speaker 3: was a little on the soft side um not what 100 00:05:58,650 --> 00:06:02,430 Speaker 3: it would ultimately become which was pretty hard-hitting expose type 101 00:06:02,450 --> 00:06:03,810 Speaker 3: material Yeah. 102 00:06:03,870 --> 00:06:07,290 Speaker 1: That's a great point because imagine if we're Mike Wallace 103 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:10,380 Speaker 1: and we have to do this new thing and we're 104 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: old school journalists. And if you're Mike, you're going, so 105 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: what's the point here, Harry? Are we just, we just 106 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:18,900 Speaker 1: sit here and hang out? 107 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,900 Speaker 3: Well, yeah. And he was also the Highlander and there 108 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 3: can only be one. So what's this Reasoner guy doing here? 109 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,309 Speaker 3: That's what he wanted to know. Chop his head off. Right, right. 110 00:06:28,490 --> 00:06:32,350 Speaker 1: And it's strange that they hit the zeitgeist at the 111 00:06:32,470 --> 00:06:38,310 Speaker 1: perfect time since its origin story, uh, 60 minutes has 112 00:06:38,380 --> 00:06:42,020 Speaker 1: become as, as you said, Noel, a fixture in so 113 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,700 Speaker 1: much American culture. And they did really hard hitting interviews 114 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: and investigations. You know, they, they talked with Coretta Scott 115 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,630 Speaker 1: King in 1968. They talked with, uh, Bill and Hillary 116 00:06:56,710 --> 00:06:59,310 Speaker 1: Clinton about those infidelity accusations. 117 00:06:59,490 --> 00:07:01,010 Speaker 3: What about her email? Did they talk about those? 118 00:07:01,650 --> 00:07:04,750 Speaker 1: They didn't get to emails yet. It was 1992. So 119 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: they definitely had email, right? 120 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:14,100 Speaker 3: They had to have. Hotmail at the very least. All right. 121 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:17,220 Speaker 2: 1971, the computer programmer Ray Tomlinson. 122 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,700 Speaker 1: Oh, but they're not kicking it with Ray. 123 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,250 Speaker 2: Public popularity was in the 1990s. 124 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Yep. 125 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:28,730 Speaker 1: So they had emails, but maybe those weren't the focus 126 00:07:29,370 --> 00:07:30,270 Speaker 1: of the interview. 127 00:07:30,730 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: But according to the Wikipedia page, the first electronical transmission 128 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,500 Speaker 2: of messages began in the 19th century. 129 00:07:37,980 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: In the 1800s. OK. 130 00:07:38,540 --> 00:07:40,980 Speaker 1: There's a telegraph. 131 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,700 Speaker 3: And I'm just trying to I was trying to zero 132 00:07:42,740 --> 00:07:46,500 Speaker 3: in on what I was hitting at with the clipping 133 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,150 Speaker 3: of the wings. And it largely had to do with. 134 00:07:50,010 --> 00:07:52,540 Speaker 3: They were at the center of that massive lawsuit that 135 00:07:52,570 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: Trump filed against CBS because he accused 60 Minutes of 136 00:07:57,740 --> 00:08:01,179 Speaker 3: selectively editing an interview with Kamala Harris. 137 00:08:01,260 --> 00:08:01,980 Speaker 1: That's right. 138 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,090 Speaker 3: Causing– The bribe. Yes. That's exactly right. It was a multi-billion– 139 00:08:07,150 --> 00:08:11,670 Speaker 3: absolutely spurious multi-billion dollar lawsuit that essentially was one of 140 00:08:11,710 --> 00:08:13,380 Speaker 3: those kind of– What do they call that? Like a 141 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: slap suit, more or less? Like it says intended to 142 00:08:17,020 --> 00:08:20,370 Speaker 3: shut them up. Maybe I'm not using that term exactly right. 143 00:08:20,410 --> 00:08:22,190 Speaker 2: No, I think you're pretty, a slap suit is like 144 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:24,470 Speaker 2: basically a concept where it's like, we're going to sue 145 00:08:24,490 --> 00:08:25,910 Speaker 2: you for so much money. It's going to cost you 146 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:28,390 Speaker 2: so much money to fight this that it's cheaper for 147 00:08:28,450 --> 00:08:28,910 Speaker 2: you just to. 148 00:08:29,730 --> 00:08:32,090 Speaker 3: And that's what happened. And that is the bribe of 149 00:08:32,150 --> 00:08:34,390 Speaker 3: it all. And then, of course, that is what led to, 150 00:08:34,450 --> 00:08:38,990 Speaker 3: I believe, you know, when Trump got reelected, installing somewhat 151 00:08:39,050 --> 00:08:42,290 Speaker 3: of a, you know, sycophant on the board of the FCC, 152 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:46,010 Speaker 3: heading up the FCC and more or less pushed through 153 00:08:46,270 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: the acquisition of Paramount Skydancer and all of that stuff. 154 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:52,060 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. 155 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: Getting fired. Right. 156 00:08:53,780 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: Right. 157 00:08:54,340 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: I love the phrase slapshoot. And thank you for teaching 158 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,300 Speaker 1: me that, because. It's absolutely a legal war of attrition. Well, 159 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,050 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be illegal. Slapsuits are supposed to be like, 160 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:07,670 Speaker 1: you know, they're frivolous. Lawsuits are illegal. 161 00:09:08,190 --> 00:09:11,670 Speaker 2: But an amazing episode of last week tonight about slapsuits 162 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 2: with John Oliver. Basically, it was right after they got 163 00:09:14,540 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: out of a slap suit. They discussed the slap suit. 164 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:17,510 Speaker 2: They got thrown out. 165 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,260 Speaker 3: Well, and the problem is, you know, of course, when 166 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,140 Speaker 3: you have someone like Trump, who not only has all 167 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,929 Speaker 3: of these connections in government, but also has really, you know, 168 00:09:24,990 --> 00:09:28,850 Speaker 3: indefinitely deep pockets, you really can't stand up to that. 169 00:09:29,050 --> 00:09:34,229 Speaker 3: And it's hard to enforce these kinds of things. Sadly, 170 00:09:34,330 --> 00:09:36,410 Speaker 3: with the way our legal system works, anybody can sue 171 00:09:36,490 --> 00:09:39,170 Speaker 3: anybody for just about anything. Yeah. Yep. 172 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: And 60 Minutes had to deal with that pretty often. 173 00:09:43,020 --> 00:09:45,860 Speaker 1: We know the best quote about 60 Minutes or one 174 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,860 Speaker 1: that I like from a guy named Scott Pelley, who 175 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:53,349 Speaker 1: was a correspondent fired from 60 Minutes, actually. He sums 176 00:09:53,530 --> 00:09:57,250 Speaker 1: up the program this way. He said, quote, 60 Minutes 177 00:09:57,429 --> 00:10:01,230 Speaker 1: is known for two things, a ticking clock. stopwatch and 178 00:10:01,330 --> 00:10:04,410 Speaker 1: hard questions. Just like us, you guys. 179 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: We do have that giant grandfather clock we refer to selectively, occasionally. Right. 180 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: I can't believe we blew so much of our budget 181 00:10:13,780 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: on that one. But again, we only thought we'd be 182 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: here for six weeks. 183 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess that's probably not too far off 184 00:10:19,830 --> 00:10:22,390 Speaker 3: from how Mike Wallace felt about it when 60 Minutes 185 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:22,969 Speaker 3: first launched. 186 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:28,690 Speaker 1: And with this, congratulations to the good folks at 60 Minutes. 187 00:10:28,750 --> 00:10:32,530 Speaker 1: Hold the line if you can. We are moving to 188 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:37,020 Speaker 1: a weird episode that we did not too, too long ago, 189 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,340 Speaker 1: earlier this year. Noel, Max, remember we were talking about 190 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,630 Speaker 1: this thing outsiders always say about Atlanta. hey guys, why 191 00:10:46,690 --> 00:10:48,790 Speaker 1: is every street named Peachtree? 192 00:10:49,330 --> 00:10:51,809 Speaker 3: You know, and when we did that episode and had 193 00:10:51,830 --> 00:10:54,290 Speaker 3: that conversation and brought that point up, I think I 194 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,620 Speaker 3: made the comment that there aren't that many Peachtrees, but 195 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 3: I did do some follow-up, and there really are quite 196 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,820 Speaker 3: a ton of Peachtree streets and Peachtree place and Peachtree. 197 00:11:03,260 --> 00:11:07,939 Speaker 3: And also, the way Atlanta is laid out is just absurd. 198 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't really have any connection to the grid system 199 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,670 Speaker 3: of a city like New York. which might have its 200 00:11:13,730 --> 00:11:16,110 Speaker 3: own little anomalies here and there, but in general, you 201 00:11:16,130 --> 00:11:19,010 Speaker 3: can kind of know that certain types of streets run 202 00:11:19,050 --> 00:11:22,690 Speaker 3: north to south and others run east to west, et cetera. Atlanta, 203 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:24,330 Speaker 3: if you look at it from an aerial view, really 204 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:26,460 Speaker 3: is just kind of an FU into city planning. 205 00:11:27,050 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: It's yes and if it was street design. 206 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:30,260 Speaker 3: There we go. 207 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,700 Speaker 1: That's a quotable for Max. We also– we have to 208 00:11:33,740 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: say it. I have to point it out. Every time 209 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,130 Speaker 1: we talk about Atlanta– Historically, most cities are going to 210 00:11:40,170 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: be around navigable water of some sort. Atlanta doesn't really 211 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,940 Speaker 1: have that. Our rivers, what would be rivers or coastlines 212 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: have been replaced by train lines, right? And of course, 213 00:11:54,059 --> 00:11:55,860 Speaker 1: the world's busiest airport. 214 00:11:55,980 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: Terminus is what we were once known as because that's 215 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,739 Speaker 3: where the rail lines ended or terminated and have a 216 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: major junction point. 217 00:12:05,330 --> 00:12:05,650 Speaker 2: Yeah. 218 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: And in our previous episode, we talked about the curious 219 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: pattern for any city planning and history nerds of Atlanta. 220 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:18,900 Speaker 1: You will be driving on the same street and it 221 00:12:18,940 --> 00:12:24,530 Speaker 1: will suddenly change names. And that is due to institutionalized racism. 222 00:12:24,950 --> 00:12:28,689 Speaker 1: But remember, we wanted to end that episode on a 223 00:12:28,850 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: few ideas. non-racist origin stories about street names in Atlanta 224 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,820 Speaker 1: with a big thanks to Will Butler and Tiffany Hart 225 00:12:38,179 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: at the Atlanta History Center. 226 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, one of my favorite neighborhoods or areas in 227 00:12:43,620 --> 00:12:47,380 Speaker 3: Atlanta is called Druid Hills. And I just assumed it 228 00:12:47,420 --> 00:12:51,550 Speaker 3: was named after some weird sect of Druidic cults, you know, 229 00:12:51,610 --> 00:12:54,170 Speaker 3: that worshipped in the area back in the ancient times. 230 00:12:54,790 --> 00:12:57,050 Speaker 3: It turns out that's not the case. But also, I 231 00:12:57,270 --> 00:13:00,050 Speaker 3: will say this that's interesting. In that area, which has 232 00:13:00,110 --> 00:13:03,329 Speaker 3: a massive Jewish population and community. 233 00:13:03,590 --> 00:13:04,579 Speaker 1: And some great delis. 234 00:13:04,929 --> 00:13:06,740 Speaker 3: Really great delis. There are also a lot of streets 235 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:08,939 Speaker 3: that are named after, like, Christmas stuff. 236 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:09,819 Speaker 1: Yes. 237 00:13:09,860 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 3: Which is unusual and almost like, is that a joke 238 00:13:12,340 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 3: because of the Jewish community? Like, I really don't know 239 00:13:14,860 --> 00:13:18,270 Speaker 3: the details behind why that is the case. But I 240 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:22,090 Speaker 3: have noticed there are a lot of, like, Not so 241 00:13:22,110 --> 00:13:24,589 Speaker 3: far as like Jingle Bell's way, but not too far 242 00:13:24,650 --> 00:13:25,329 Speaker 3: off from that aisle. 243 00:13:25,370 --> 00:13:30,590 Speaker 1: Yeah, very close to stuff like Rudolph Avenue. And it's 244 00:13:30,650 --> 00:13:34,210 Speaker 1: funny because it reminds me of what Max just said 245 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:37,620 Speaker 1: a second ago. There's a lot of yes anding when 246 00:13:37,660 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: you're a very wealthy real estate developer. You can kind 247 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: of name the streets whatever you like if you shake 248 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: the right hands. And this is the story of the 249 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:52,010 Speaker 1: developer of Druid Hills, Joel Hurt. That's his last name. 250 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:58,050 Speaker 1: He said he was. OK, so, Noel, this guy visits 251 00:13:58,330 --> 00:14:01,130 Speaker 1: the area that will be Druid Hills. And he says, 252 00:14:01,490 --> 00:14:03,950 Speaker 1: you know what this reminds me of? And someone says, 253 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:04,770 Speaker 1: what's that, Mr. 254 00:14:04,809 --> 00:14:05,010 Speaker 3: Hurt? 255 00:14:05,290 --> 00:14:10,270 Speaker 1: And he says, Baltimore, Druid Hills Park, Baltimore. This is 256 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:11,670 Speaker 1: exactly like that place. 257 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:15,030 Speaker 3: You know, it reminds me of how things like this 258 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,140 Speaker 3: remind me of how ultimately arbitrary. And it's all just 259 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: about who was first to market, you know, who comes 260 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: up with a name and it just kind of sticks. 261 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,740 Speaker 3: There is a neighborhood in Queens in New York where 262 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:28,090 Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time called Rego Park. And 263 00:14:28,260 --> 00:14:31,990 Speaker 3: it is named after the construction company that started developing 264 00:14:32,030 --> 00:14:35,610 Speaker 3: it in the 1920s called the Real Good Construction Company. 265 00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:37,770 Speaker 3: Rego Park. 266 00:14:38,370 --> 00:14:38,710 Speaker 2: Cool. 267 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: Like how the Learning Channel became TLC? 268 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:46,940 Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. The Real Good, Very Good, Not Bad Construction Company. 269 00:14:47,380 --> 00:14:50,500 Speaker 1: Now, we do have to admit that the Druid Hills 270 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:56,780 Speaker 1: neighborhood of Atlanta, even post-development, does have hills. It has 271 00:14:56,820 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of picturesque rolling hills. So Joel Hurt sees 272 00:15:00,580 --> 00:15:05,070 Speaker 1: this and he thinks, this reminds me of Baltimore. And 273 00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:07,910 Speaker 1: they go, OK, really, sir? And he says, also, this 274 00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:12,110 Speaker 1: reminds me of the Celts. of Druids and how they 275 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:16,030 Speaker 1: would practice their various beliefs in ancient Britain. 276 00:15:16,210 --> 00:15:16,470 Speaker 2: Sick. 277 00:15:16,530 --> 00:15:17,010 Speaker 1: Okay. 278 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:19,590 Speaker 3: So I wasn't, okay. So there's, you're not that far off. 279 00:15:19,970 --> 00:15:22,290 Speaker 1: And, uh, you know, he's the money guy. So the 280 00:15:22,350 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: people in the meeting look around and go, yeah, I 281 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: could see that. I guess I could see that. 282 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,300 Speaker 3: I mean, it's as good a name as any. 283 00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And it sounds weird, but we have to remember, uh, 284 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: that we in Atlanta are also privileged to have an 285 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: entire neighborhood. built to look like the times of William Shakespeare. 286 00:15:49,930 --> 00:15:53,910 Speaker 3: Yeah, not too, too far off from a little burg, 287 00:15:54,110 --> 00:15:57,670 Speaker 3: not too, too far from here called Helen, Georgia, which weirdly, 288 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: because of, I think, the Germanophilic nature of one of 289 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: the founders, is made to look like a little German village. 290 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,620 Speaker 3: But it has absolutely no connection to real Germans. They 291 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,900 Speaker 3: do Oktoberfest type stuff there. You can also go tubing there, 292 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,740 Speaker 3: a lot of rivers and fun little areas where you 293 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:19,310 Speaker 3: can do that kind of outdoor activity. But, like, It 294 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:24,550 Speaker 3: is absolutely like the Germany part of Epcot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 295 00:16:24,630 --> 00:16:27,570 Speaker 1: Where you travel the world through an amusement park. And 296 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:31,450 Speaker 1: Helen aside, like Avondale is amazing. 297 00:16:31,630 --> 00:16:34,229 Speaker 3: It is. It's a great neighborhood. It's a lovely neighborhood. Yeah, 298 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:39,170 Speaker 3: that makes sense, right? Stratford-upon-Avondale, I reckon. That's where it's 299 00:16:39,220 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: coming from. 300 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:44,580 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's also home to the original Waffle House. 301 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: Okay. Is that– wait. 302 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,100 Speaker 1: That's where the museum is. 303 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,980 Speaker 3: That's where the museum is. Like I said, it's technically 304 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,620 Speaker 3: still Avondale. That's just a little bit up the way. 305 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,140 Speaker 3: Doesn't look quite as Shakespeare-y once you get out there. 306 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,330 Speaker 3: But yeah, the actual downtown. 307 00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:58,430 Speaker 1: A little more waffle-centric. 308 00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:02,450 Speaker 3: That's right. The actual downtown of Avondale is very picturesque 309 00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:06,070 Speaker 3: in that, again, somewhat Disneyland-ified way. 310 00:17:07,369 --> 00:17:11,300 Speaker 1: And we've also got a true crime story related to 311 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:12,260 Speaker 1: Atlanta street names. 312 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,869 Speaker 3: Yeah, Martin DeFore, who is an early settler, of the 313 00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:19,669 Speaker 3: Atlanta area, and the namesake for DeFore Avenue and DeFore's 314 00:17:19,690 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 3: Ferry Road was a ferry operator, like the boat. He 315 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:29,859 Speaker 3: didn't run magical creatures on the Chattahoochee River. So here, 316 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: the origin of the street names themselves aren't exactly the 317 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 3: mystery in question, but the namesake is definitely at the 318 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:40,730 Speaker 3: heart of one. He became a Georgia true crime story 319 00:17:40,790 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 3: when he and his wife were I mean, given 40 whacks. Yeah, 320 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,690 Speaker 3: they were Lizzie Borden. They were Lizzie Borden. That's got 321 00:17:49,730 --> 00:17:54,410 Speaker 3: its own questionable provenance, that story. But yeah, in their 322 00:17:54,450 --> 00:17:58,609 Speaker 3: home in 1879. And to this day, that mystery, murder 323 00:17:59,030 --> 00:18:00,229 Speaker 3: mystery remains unsolved. 324 00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. 325 00:18:01,530 --> 00:18:04,830 Speaker 1: And if we're in a Halloween mood- Which we are. 326 00:18:05,170 --> 00:18:08,650 Speaker 1: Which we are. It's always Halloween in America, especially nowadays. 327 00:18:08,970 --> 00:18:12,450 Speaker 1: If we're in a Halloween mood, we would say, campfire 328 00:18:12,510 --> 00:18:17,730 Speaker 1: story style, some believe Susan Defoe's ghost haunts the building 329 00:18:18,050 --> 00:18:19,409 Speaker 1: where the house once stood. 330 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:21,750 Speaker 3: Of course she does. Why wouldn't she? Yeah, yeah, but also- 331 00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:22,609 Speaker 3: What else is she going to do? 332 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:23,850 Speaker 2: Right, right. 333 00:18:23,910 --> 00:18:26,890 Speaker 1: What's her dance guard look like? Also, whenever you hear 334 00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:32,570 Speaker 1: some believe, look for a specific source. We couldn't interview 335 00:18:32,790 --> 00:18:34,260 Speaker 1: Susan DeFore's ghost. 336 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: No, no. I also love the, yeah, anytime. And some say, 337 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,940 Speaker 3: who are these people? Buckhead Avenue and the neighborhood Buckhead, 338 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,420 Speaker 3: which is kind of a little bit of a posh 339 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:49,409 Speaker 3: region of Atlanta, home of. What is that? What's the 340 00:18:49,450 --> 00:18:51,550 Speaker 3: fancy mall? There's the fancy mall and the less fancy mall. 341 00:18:51,570 --> 00:18:56,990 Speaker 3: There's Phipps. Phipps and Lennox. Lennox. Which one's the fancier one? Phipps? 342 00:18:57,490 --> 00:19:00,510 Speaker 1: Phipps is the fancier one. But the Lennox food court 343 00:19:00,670 --> 00:19:01,450 Speaker 1: is streets ahead. 344 00:19:01,690 --> 00:19:05,500 Speaker 3: Heard and agreed. The story behind where that name came 345 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: from comes from the anecdotal tales of a 19th century Atlantan, 346 00:19:10,859 --> 00:19:16,180 Speaker 3: a farmer by the name of Henry Irby. Not Kirby. Irby. 347 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,690 Speaker 1: Just Irby. Just Irby. Story goes, Irby kills a deer, 348 00:19:21,890 --> 00:19:27,030 Speaker 1: a buck and places the taxidermies and places the head 349 00:19:27,450 --> 00:19:28,970 Speaker 1: at the front of his tavern. 350 00:19:29,010 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: Was he trying to send a message inside or like 351 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 3: on the wall? 352 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: Outside. So you could see it. And if you're traveling nearby, 353 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,750 Speaker 1: you start referring to it as a landmark, kind of 354 00:19:43,790 --> 00:19:47,690 Speaker 1: like the way. In years past, people would talk about 355 00:19:47,710 --> 00:19:49,970 Speaker 1: the big chicken sculpture here and there. 356 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:52,300 Speaker 3: Take a left at the severed animal head. 357 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And they started to just refer to it 358 00:19:56,340 --> 00:19:59,330 Speaker 1: in shorthand as Buckhead. And we've got to thank the 359 00:19:59,390 --> 00:20:05,510 Speaker 1: president of the Buckhead Heritage Society, Wright Mitchell, who verified that. 360 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:08,170 Speaker 1: that the story is mostly true. 361 00:20:08,430 --> 00:20:11,350 Speaker 3: That's all we need. Mostly he'll do it. Izzy, once again, 362 00:20:11,650 --> 00:20:14,450 Speaker 3: first to market. Weird dude cut off an animal's head, 363 00:20:14,490 --> 00:20:16,530 Speaker 3: put it in front of a tavern. Next thing you know, 364 00:20:16,550 --> 00:20:17,990 Speaker 3: you got a fancy part of town. 365 00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:19,609 Speaker 1: It was a different time. 366 00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: Side note, every time I go get a tattoo done, 367 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,260 Speaker 2: I drive by the big chicken and it weirds me out. 368 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,460 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, that's a thing that we have 369 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: here in Atlanta. 370 00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:30,899 Speaker 3: The big chicken is just a vintage KFC sign that 371 00:20:30,940 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: is a massive chicken with a... mechanical mouth. Yeah. 372 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: And it's like, it's very rectangular. You know what I mean? 373 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: It's not a realistic sculpture. 374 00:20:42,260 --> 00:20:42,540 Speaker 2: No. 375 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,580 Speaker 3: And I'm, if I had to guess, I would say 376 00:20:44,619 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 3: it's from the sixties just because of the art style. 377 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,340 Speaker 3: Let's see. All right. 378 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: Chicken. 379 00:20:51,260 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: Max, while you're on that, we have got to talk 380 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:58,659 Speaker 1: about Ponce de Leon Avenue. This is a legendary road 381 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,990 Speaker 1: that I live very close by too. It was once 382 00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:05,629 Speaker 1: a road without a name, which sounds so poetic. It 383 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:09,930 Speaker 1: led to the property of a man named John Armistead. 384 00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:14,730 Speaker 1: And after Atlanta burned down during the U.S. Civil War, 385 00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:20,460 Speaker 1: an ailing rail worker who had been laying tracks near 386 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,950 Speaker 1: Armistead's property goes up to the water source, the springs 387 00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:30,250 Speaker 1: in Georgia, and he drinks from the springs and he says, 388 00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:33,620 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I feel so much better. I am cured. 389 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: This happens in 1871. 390 00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:39,090 Speaker 3: It reminds me of the quote from Monty Python on 391 00:21:39,109 --> 00:21:42,470 Speaker 3: the Holy Grail. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate 392 00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:46,590 Speaker 3: from the masses, not from a farcical aquatic ceremony involving 393 00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:50,189 Speaker 3: strange women lying in ponds distributing swords. Like, just the 394 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 3: arbitrary nature of all of these stories. Like, I drank 395 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 3: from the water and was cured. This is now named 396 00:21:56,820 --> 00:22:01,580 Speaker 3: after a Spanish conquistador who maybe definitely didn't discover the 397 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,220 Speaker 3: Fountain of Youth. 398 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and as Monty Python points out, women in lakes 399 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: distributing swords is no basis for a government. 400 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: Sure isn't. Apparently, yeah, spurious, magical, mystical waters are at 401 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: the very least the basis for naming a place. 402 00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:22,970 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also we've got to shout out the American 403 00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:27,750 Speaker 1: entrepreneurial spirit of a guy named Henry Wilson. He's a doctor. 404 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:32,090 Speaker 1: He hears about this rail worker story, and he says, 405 00:22:32,780 --> 00:22:38,340 Speaker 1: arbitrarily dubs these waters, these springs, Ponce de Leon Springs, 406 00:22:38,619 --> 00:22:42,810 Speaker 1: in honor of the Spanish conquistador Juan Ponce de Leon, 407 00:22:43,050 --> 00:22:47,070 Speaker 1: who obviously was searching for the Fountain of Youth, which 408 00:22:47,170 --> 00:22:52,290 Speaker 1: is purportedly in Florida, which is also very far away 409 00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:55,210 Speaker 1: from Ponce de Leon Avenue in Atlanta. 410 00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:57,770 Speaker 3: Ooh, Max, we got some big chicken history. I think 411 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:58,449 Speaker 3: I was right. 412 00:22:58,910 --> 00:23:01,010 Speaker 1: We were close. We were close, Noel, because. 413 00:23:01,030 --> 00:23:02,460 Speaker 3: Well, let's have the 60. 414 00:23:02,460 --> 00:23:06,609 Speaker 1: Yeah, you said the 60s. It's Johnny Reb's Chick Chuck 415 00:23:06,650 --> 00:23:10,609 Speaker 1: and Shake. So not quite KFC, but definitely chicken related. 416 00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:13,550 Speaker 3: Well, I was just more interested in being right about 417 00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:16,460 Speaker 3: the year. I assumed it was KFC, but that's incorrect. 418 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,500 Speaker 2: It is a KFC now. 419 00:23:17,540 --> 00:23:18,820 Speaker 3: It is a KFC now. Okay. 420 00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:24,179 Speaker 1: Okay. So it got gentrified. It got Kentuckified. Yeah. So, Max, 421 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: with the facts, if we can roll the clip. there 422 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: we go uh max tell us a little bit about 423 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:53,389 Speaker 1: the origin of the big chicken and then we'll get 424 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:54,770 Speaker 1: back to ponce de leon. 425 00:23:54,970 --> 00:23:57,530 Speaker 2: Yeah so i was just digging around and marietta which 426 00:23:57,630 --> 00:24:00,310 Speaker 2: is the name of the city area that has the 427 00:24:00,330 --> 00:24:02,929 Speaker 2: big chicken has a wonderful write-up about it but um 428 00:24:03,380 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: The Big Chicken was built in 1963 to basically advertise 429 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: for Johnny Reb's Chick, Chuck, and Shake. That's the name 430 00:24:11,619 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: of it. The owner, Stanley Reginald Tubby Davis, which according 431 00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:17,460 Speaker 2: to the article, he got the name Tubby because he 432 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:21,750 Speaker 2: could eat entire tubs of chicken, fried chicken. Yeah, awesome. 433 00:24:22,050 --> 00:24:27,010 Speaker 2: He opened the restaurant in 1956, but basically in 63, well, 434 00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:29,970 Speaker 2: that's when it got finished, he commissioned people to build 435 00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:36,140 Speaker 2: this five-story tall big chicken to advertise this restaurant of his. 436 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:39,859 Speaker 2: And it's still there. And I believe, yeah, it's a 437 00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:43,590 Speaker 2: KFC now. It's it's an interesting thing. It's one of 438 00:24:43,630 --> 00:24:45,250 Speaker 2: these things that like people like, oh, yeah, don't you 439 00:24:45,270 --> 00:24:47,150 Speaker 2: guys have that in Atlanta? It's like, oh, yeah, we do. 440 00:24:47,670 --> 00:24:47,910 Speaker 1: Yeah. 441 00:24:48,150 --> 00:24:49,030 Speaker 2: I've never been there. 442 00:24:49,230 --> 00:24:51,389 Speaker 3: It is sort of a roadside oddity thing that makes some. 443 00:24:51,410 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: It is. 444 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 445 00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's kind of it's kind of like a giant 446 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: ball of yarn. But inside of the I mean, it's 447 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,780 Speaker 2: on the outskirts of it's in the suburbs. 448 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: Or a huge Adirondack chair. 449 00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: Yes, sure. 450 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,220 Speaker 3: Yeah. 451 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: You're driving by and you see a sign on the 452 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,510 Speaker 1: interstate that says world's fourth largest frying pan. You maybe 453 00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:13,540 Speaker 1: don't spend the day there, but it's cool to see it. 454 00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:17,830 Speaker 1: And also the big chicken is still around. Unlike the 455 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,690 Speaker 1: taxidermied head of that deer and buckhead, when we get 456 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:24,150 Speaker 1: back to Ponce de Leon, we have to tell you 457 00:25:24,609 --> 00:25:29,729 Speaker 1: those sacred springs that were worshipped by native cultures and 458 00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: then later monetized are still around. They're under the ground. 459 00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: And in our old office on Ponce de Leon, there 460 00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:42,130 Speaker 1: is actually a cistern that still takes water. from that 461 00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:42,950 Speaker 1: underground spring. 462 00:25:42,970 --> 00:25:46,139 Speaker 3: It's like a water tower. And I'm mistaken when we first, yeah, cistern, 463 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,820 Speaker 3: exactly right. But it looks like what you might picture 464 00:25:48,859 --> 00:25:52,430 Speaker 3: a small indoor water tower. It's in like a upper 465 00:25:52,609 --> 00:25:56,550 Speaker 3: kind of utility space of the old Sears and Roebuck 466 00:25:56,990 --> 00:26:00,260 Speaker 3: warehouse building that our office is. were housed in, and 467 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,980 Speaker 3: we were some of the first folks to occupy that building, 468 00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: which is now called Ponce City Market. And we got 469 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,179 Speaker 3: like all kinds of tours during the construction process. And 470 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:10,770 Speaker 3: we got to take a look at that cistern you're 471 00:26:10,790 --> 00:26:11,990 Speaker 3: talking about, which was kind of neat. 472 00:26:12,550 --> 00:26:14,890 Speaker 1: It was kind of neat. And also, Noel, you may 473 00:26:14,970 --> 00:26:19,210 Speaker 1: remember that the folks giving us the tour said to 474 00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:21,830 Speaker 1: soak it up while we can because we could never 475 00:26:21,930 --> 00:26:23,570 Speaker 1: visit that part of the building again. 476 00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:25,410 Speaker 3: That's right. That's why it was a big deal. Pretty cool. 477 00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:27,970 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to wear hard hats and stuff. It 478 00:26:28,030 --> 00:26:32,490 Speaker 1: was neat, and it is a natural wonder of Atlanta. 479 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: Every city has stories to tell. We also wanted to 480 00:26:43,660 --> 00:26:48,899 Speaker 1: talk about some natural wonders of not just Atlanta, but 481 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:49,420 Speaker 1: of the world. 482 00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 3: For sure. Sadly, one that, well, we got to see 483 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: one time and we'll never see again, our natural wonder 484 00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:56,980 Speaker 3: that we mentioned from Atlanta. This is one that you 485 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,770 Speaker 3: will never see because it's gone. Yeah. 486 00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:05,189 Speaker 1: Yeah. If you travel over to Malta, per the researcher 487 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: Hesti Bernard Gerber. you are going to hear about something 488 00:27:09,619 --> 00:27:14,220 Speaker 1: called the Azure Window. It was carved into these limestone 489 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: cliffs over hundreds and hundreds of years. It withstood all 490 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: this terrible weather, all these storms while it was around. 491 00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: But on March 8th, 2017, it was pummeled into the sea. 492 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:33,660 Speaker 1: And this is coming from our continuing series on wonders 493 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,389 Speaker 1: of the ancient world with a big shout out to 494 00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:38,929 Speaker 1: our research associate for that one, Max Williams. 495 00:27:39,030 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: Are we out of wonders? Are we wondered up? 496 00:27:41,609 --> 00:27:43,889 Speaker 2: We got one more, but it's the most daunting one 497 00:27:43,910 --> 00:27:46,219 Speaker 2: to write about as it's the one that still exists. 498 00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:48,419 Speaker 2: All the other six are gone. This one's the one 499 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 2: that we can still see. 500 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: The pyramids of Giza? Yeah. 501 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,899 Speaker 2: It's the oldest one. It's the biggest. I mean, it's 502 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:55,020 Speaker 2: probably the oldest one. 503 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: Are we going to solve how they were built? With aliens? 504 00:27:58,619 --> 00:27:59,500 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 505 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,060 Speaker 3: Okay, cool. 506 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: That's a really daunting premise you're putting on me. Just 507 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,540 Speaker 2: figure that one out. 508 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,300 Speaker 3: I'm not putting it on you. Just asking a question. 509 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,300 Speaker 3: But you might have figured it out. I was hoping 510 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,900 Speaker 3: you'd let us know. 511 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: Thank you for complimenting my intelligence and my ingenuity. 512 00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:13,179 Speaker 3: And your integrity. 513 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:13,780 Speaker 2: Yes. 514 00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: And my ego. 515 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:20,939 Speaker 1: And we know that up until 2017, this was a 516 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: hugely popular tourist spot. for people who visited Malta. As 517 00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:28,310 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, friend of the show, Josh Clark, 518 00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:31,070 Speaker 1: spent some time in Malta a few years back, and 519 00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:34,629 Speaker 1: we've got to ask him if he was able to 520 00:28:35,170 --> 00:28:39,090 Speaker 1: see this wonder before it collapsed. 521 00:28:39,410 --> 00:28:41,210 Speaker 3: Is this the kind of thing that was just sort of, 522 00:28:42,010 --> 00:28:43,810 Speaker 3: it was only a matter of time because of just 523 00:28:43,870 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: natural weathering and such? Yeah, probably. 524 00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. But there were efforts to bring it back, 525 00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:52,210 Speaker 1: at least one effort that we know of. 526 00:28:52,770 --> 00:28:54,610 Speaker 3: Right, and this comes to us from that same source 527 00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:57,370 Speaker 3: that we named earlier, the renowned architect. I'm just going 528 00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:59,070 Speaker 3: to read it as they wrote it because it's very 529 00:28:59,090 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 3: well written. Svetozar Andreev. Let's get to the last name 530 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: better than the first. In collaboration with the designer Elena 531 00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:15,300 Speaker 3: Britanishkia has created a phenomenal concept for the restoration of 532 00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:18,930 Speaker 3: this longtime historical landmark in the form of a massive artwork. 533 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: The two Russian artists have already submitted the concept Designed 534 00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: to the relevant authorities, the remarkable project has already crept 535 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,580 Speaker 3: into the hearts of the locals. We refer to it 536 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,979 Speaker 3: as the heart of Malta. 537 00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:34,850 Speaker 1: Pretty beautiful stuff, guys. We've got to get over to 538 00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:37,570 Speaker 1: Malta at some point for various reasons. 539 00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:39,630 Speaker 2: Also, if you want to learn more about Malta, check 540 00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: out our episode about Malta, the tiny and amazing just 541 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,020 Speaker 2: like the dog. 542 00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:45,990 Speaker 3: Is this a micronation? 543 00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:49,570 Speaker 2: It is a micronation. They fought a crucial part in 544 00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:50,550 Speaker 2: World War II. 545 00:29:50,590 --> 00:29:55,230 Speaker 1: They sure did because of their location. Also, don't tell 546 00:29:55,290 --> 00:29:56,670 Speaker 1: them you think it's a micronation. 547 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,900 Speaker 3: Fair. I don't think anybody wants to It seems inherently dismissive. 548 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,060 Speaker 3: The Principality of Sealand likes it. They're okay with it. 549 00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: They're okay with it. Because they're about as micro as 550 00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:08,500 Speaker 3: it gets, right? Yeah. Yes. 551 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:08,980 Speaker 1: Yeah. 552 00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:13,020 Speaker 3: Well, moving on, we're keeping with our natural wonders leftovers. 553 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:16,860 Speaker 3: And here's one leftover from the episode on the statue 554 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,850 Speaker 3: of Zeus. And this is one weird natural wonder that 555 00:30:19,870 --> 00:30:22,730 Speaker 3: you can see. What a flip. 556 00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:29,070 Speaker 1: What a flip indeed. Yes. Folks, we asked ourselves in 557 00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:32,270 Speaker 1: the research for this one, does anybody know what a 558 00:30:32,410 --> 00:30:36,110 Speaker 1: devil's post pile is? Max, Noel and I sure did not. 559 00:30:36,130 --> 00:30:40,050 Speaker 3: I don't know. That sounds sinister. Maybe anything devil related sounds. 560 00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:44,660 Speaker 3: I mean, also rules, you know, depending on your perspective. 561 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: Sounds like a poop. 562 00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: I was thinking the same thing, man. I wasn't going 563 00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:48,580 Speaker 3: to go there. 564 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: Come on. Let's be honest with each other. It sounds 565 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,050 Speaker 1: like one of those war crime bathrooms. Yeah, bathroom war crimes. 566 00:30:57,090 --> 00:31:03,890 Speaker 1: So this was established in 1911, the Devil's Postpile National Monument, 567 00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:09,210 Speaker 1: unrelated to feces. It is meant to preserve something called 568 00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:15,690 Speaker 1: the Devil's Postpile Formation. It's the 101-foot-high Rainbow Falls. Now, 569 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:18,490 Speaker 1: if you are lucky enough to travel around this great 570 00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:21,750 Speaker 1: state of ours or this great nation, you can see 571 00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:26,310 Speaker 1: some amazing waterfalls. We're really close to Amicalola Falls, which 572 00:31:26,410 --> 00:31:28,110 Speaker 1: is worth a hike if you've got the day. 573 00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:32,500 Speaker 3: That's a pretty one. Ruby Falls is another nice one. 574 00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, just over in Tennessee. This site, Devil's Postpile, is 575 00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: pretty rare in geology. It ranks as We're going to 576 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:47,300 Speaker 1: sound like nerds here. One of the world's finest examples 577 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,020 Speaker 1: of columnar basalt. 578 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Um, I had to look this up myself because 579 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:53,580 Speaker 3: I think none of us are familiar with this term. 580 00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:56,390 Speaker 3: I did take a geology class in college, but all 581 00:31:56,430 --> 00:31:58,950 Speaker 3: that is lost on me. We do have some really cool, 582 00:31:58,970 --> 00:32:01,730 Speaker 3: I actually went here for my geology class in college, uh, 583 00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:05,830 Speaker 3: rock formations that you can, uh, view um at stone 584 00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:08,390 Speaker 3: mountain and arabia mountain arabia mountain in particular has got 585 00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:12,090 Speaker 3: some really cool natural uh geologic formations but a post 586 00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:15,110 Speaker 3: pile is a natural rock formation made of long vertical 587 00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:22,090 Speaker 3: polygonal columns um most often hexagonal uh that's created because 588 00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:26,210 Speaker 3: of lava flows when they um cool and contract and 589 00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:29,910 Speaker 3: then crack into these very regularly sort of shaped and 590 00:32:29,950 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: spaced posts And then over time, erosion, once again, causes 591 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,130 Speaker 3: a cliff face often to be created of these columns 592 00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:41,750 Speaker 3: or a pile of broken posts at the very base. 593 00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:44,850 Speaker 3: And one of the best known examples of this phenomenon 594 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:47,580 Speaker 3: is Devil's Postpile in California. 595 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to check it out, just go 596 00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: east of Yosemite, six hours from San Francisco, five and 597 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:57,420 Speaker 1: a half from L.A. if you want to triangulate, five 598 00:32:57,460 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: and a half from Las Vegas. But because of the 599 00:33:00,010 --> 00:33:03,190 Speaker 1: work going on in Red's Meadow Road, access to the 600 00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:09,270 Speaker 1: Devil's Postpile is pretty dicey. I think it has reopened. 601 00:33:09,330 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: So visit if you can and report back. We love 602 00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: natural wonders that you can see because as we discovered 603 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,979 Speaker 1: in our previous series, there is one natural wonder you 604 00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: can no longer see today. 605 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,790 Speaker 3: Oh, no. Say it ain't so, Ben. 606 00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:28,890 Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't so, no, but it is the case. 607 00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:34,730 Speaker 1: This comes to us from the Waimangu Volcanic Valley Rotorua. 608 00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: They say that there was once a dominant feature on 609 00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: the shores of Lake Rotohamana. The pink and white terraces 610 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,900 Speaker 1: were often called the eighth wonder of the world, but 611 00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:50,780 Speaker 1: turns out the volcano erupted, which is kind of the 612 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:56,230 Speaker 1: pattern of volcanoes, in 1886. and the terraces are no 613 00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:57,050 Speaker 1: longer with us. 614 00:33:57,670 --> 00:34:00,730 Speaker 3: Interesting. I was looking at what Rotorua refers to. It's 615 00:34:00,750 --> 00:34:02,290 Speaker 3: apparently a city in New Zealand. 616 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. 617 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: And we know that we are surrounded by natural wonders 618 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,660 Speaker 1: in this wide world of ours. We would love to 619 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,670 Speaker 1: hear some of your favorites. And I think, guys, we're 620 00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:18,970 Speaker 1: going to wrap the episode today, but we have so 621 00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:22,580 Speaker 1: many more Things we didn't get to. What if we 622 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,870 Speaker 1: do a second episode this week about extra stuff? 623 00:34:25,989 --> 00:34:28,170 Speaker 3: Well, that sounds good, given that we're going on the 624 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:30,910 Speaker 3: high seas and may never return. We've got to leave 625 00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:32,649 Speaker 3: the people with something to remember us by. 626 00:34:33,130 --> 00:34:35,569 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like when you leave, when you're 627 00:34:35,590 --> 00:34:36,540 Speaker 2: about to go on a trip, you want to make 628 00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:38,340 Speaker 2: sure you eat all the food beforehand. We've got to 629 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,380 Speaker 2: clear out our really good leftovers beforehand for the chance 630 00:34:41,420 --> 00:34:44,180 Speaker 2: that both of y'all don't return and only I'm left. 631 00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: Well, we might all get triangled, okay? 632 00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 2: No, I'm above triangles. 633 00:34:49,739 --> 00:34:51,479 Speaker 3: We can still podcast from the void. 634 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And I don't know what kind of bug-out 635 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: bags you guys are bringing on the ship. 636 00:34:57,700 --> 00:34:59,739 Speaker 3: Remember that movie Postcards from the Edge? 637 00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:00,419 Speaker 1: Yes. 638 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,700 Speaker 3: We can do podcasts from the edge. There we go. 639 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: We can only do that with you, fellow ridiculous historians. 640 00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning in. Big thanks to 641 00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:14,489 Speaker 1: our super producer, Mr. Max Williams, big, big thanks, of course, 642 00:35:14,850 --> 00:35:19,569 Speaker 1: to A.J. Bermuda Jacobs, a.k.a. The Puzzler. He hasn't gotten 643 00:35:19,590 --> 00:35:22,190 Speaker 1: an update on his street name yet. And, of course, 644 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:27,510 Speaker 1: a tepid you-know-what-you-did to Jonathan Strickland. 645 00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:30,830 Speaker 3: We know what you did last summer. We know you 646 00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:32,510 Speaker 3: killed that fisherman in cold blood. 647 00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:34,730 Speaker 1: We found your galoshes. 648 00:35:35,489 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: And your hook hand. Wait, that means you are the. 649 00:35:38,090 --> 00:35:39,410 Speaker 1: I just like to say galoshes. 650 00:35:39,469 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: Galoshes are fun. Big, big thanks to. 651 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,180 Speaker 1: The rude dudes of Ridiculous Crime. We hope you enjoyed 652 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: our exploration of drugs of yesteryear with the one and 653 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: only Zarin Burnett. 654 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,940 Speaker 3: Who else, Noel? Who else? Oh, geez, man. We've got 655 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,900 Speaker 3: Christopher Asiotis and you have Jeff Coates here in spirit. 656 00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 3: Didn't we thank Alex Williams who composed this theme? 657 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,260 Speaker 1: Ah, yes, we must. This is the slap and bop 658 00:36:01,340 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 1: playing in the background. Thank you so much, folks. Please 659 00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:06,259 Speaker 1: tune in later this week. 660 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:15,730 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from 661 00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:18,670 Speaker 3: iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 662 00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 3: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.