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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: straight Fire fan, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Wednesday, Ochober,

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Night Baseball, Tuesday Afternoon Baseball. Hope you'll enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen a couple of great games on the

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Speaker 1: Baseball Diamond postseason Fiery Fun October. Is here kind of

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Speaker 1: upset that the Astros wanted to walk off? You guys

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Speaker 1: in baseball in general. Pretty exciting walk off for them.

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Speaker 1: They beat the Mariners eight seven, Phillies survived the Brave

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Speaker 1: guest on today's podcast. He used to work at ESPN,

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Speaker 1: he left for politics on Fox News. His name is

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Speaker 1: Will Kaine, and we did not talk politics at all.

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Speaker 1: Determined before let's not do politics. Let's talk about a team.

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Speaker 1: He is in love with, the Dallas Cowboys, and another

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Speaker 1: And uh, I think you guys are gonna enjoy the

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Speaker 1: really quickly. Is there's not that much going on. I

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Speaker 1: just a quick note. I did bet to NFL games

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Speaker 1: already I'm regretting. On Monday night, like during the Monday

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. All of a sudden, I start to

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Speaker 1: have buyer's remorse. Late Tuesday night and I see this

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Speaker 1: story that the Rams placed there are David Edwards uninjured reserve.

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Speaker 1: them and someone with some influential juices. Carolina is bad.

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Speaker 1: week's guest on the podcast, Will Kine from Fox and Friends.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: I think, and then the Internet came around like ninety six.

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Speaker 1: That's when I first got on the A O L

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Speaker 1: dial up. So you combine cable internet nationwide audience. And

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys had one, I think three Super Bowls in

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Speaker 1: four years or something insane. And that's the only reason

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Speaker 1: they're really America's team. Is that something you buy into

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Speaker 1: or no, well you're close. You just don't go far

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Speaker 1: back enough in history. So the origination of America's teams

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Speaker 1: from the nineteen seventies with tech shram the Dallas Cowboys

436
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Speaker 1: and they before my time. Sorry, sorry, we're a marketing machine.

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Speaker 1: Down to the uniforms. Have you do you know this, Jason?

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Speaker 1: So if you ever look at the Cowboys uniforms, they

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Speaker 1: don't make any sense. Like the silver in the helmet

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Speaker 1: and the silver in the pants don't match the blue

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Speaker 1: in the hey look the blue in the helmet and

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Speaker 1: the blue on the jersey. The numbers on when they're

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Speaker 1: wearing their whites, it doesn't match. This is the number

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Speaker 1: in their jersey is a royal blue. In their helmets

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Speaker 1: the navy blue. The helmets are true silver, the pants

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Speaker 1: are just like c foam space green silver and all

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Speaker 1: of it was designed for black and white television in

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Speaker 1: the seventies so they would pop. The whole thing was

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Speaker 1: designed so they would scream off the television and the

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Speaker 1: America's team was a marketing, marketing scheme put together. It's

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Speaker 1: why they're in the NFC East. They wanted the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: when they read when they reorganized the NFL, there was

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Speaker 1: no way the Cowboys were leaving those big East Coast

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Speaker 1: markets of New York and Washington, Philadelphia. This whole thing

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Speaker 1: was was ingenious before Jerry Jones and before internet and

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Speaker 1: cable and they got more mass broadcast distribution from the

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Speaker 1: seventies forward and became America's team and they wow, I

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Speaker 1: did not even know that about and and they won,

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Speaker 1: and they had with Roger Staubuck who was like America's quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little before my time. But so back to identity.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because you look around the league and like

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Speaker 1: then you you know, a couple of teams have identities.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh very blue collar, tough, we're gonna play defense basically

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Speaker 1: all those they have c North teams, uh Patrick mahomes

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Speaker 1: kind of a finesse up tempo deal. But like will

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Speaker 1: you and I in in in media, I think like

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Speaker 1: identity is a little bit kind of sort of overrated,

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Speaker 1: only because when we started out twenty years ago in

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Speaker 1: media or whatever, it was like newspapers, and then guess

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Speaker 1: what if you were still in newspapers, you know, you

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Speaker 1: kind of were in trouble met magazines popped for a minute,

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Speaker 1: and then blogs and then social media. You've got to

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Speaker 1: kind of constantly be reinventing yourself in some way shape

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Speaker 1: or form, podcasts, sports, gambling. You've kind of got to

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Speaker 1: evolve all all the time. And that's why I don't know,

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Speaker 1: is identity a little overrated um in sports as well?

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting. Um So first on the on the

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Speaker 1: way you applied it's sort of on an individual basis

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Speaker 1: within sports. Those old school identities that you described were

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Speaker 1: fashioned and created through limited distribution needs. So you could

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Speaker 1: fake it, man, because there was only so many newspapers,

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Speaker 1: only so many broadcast television um stations. So you created

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Speaker 1: this image, right, this is who you are, and you

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Speaker 1: put it forward whoever that was have been Matt Lower,

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Speaker 1: it could have been Bob Costas, it could have been

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Speaker 1: Jim Rome, and you gave the public one version. I

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Speaker 1: think the current modern day identity is the only currency

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Speaker 1: is authenticity, and you have to give everyone all parts

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Speaker 1: of you and as many and every mechanism as possible,

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Speaker 1: like Jason McIntyre has to be on podcast, radio, television, digital, everywhere,

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Speaker 1: And like we talked about it earlier in there, like

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Speaker 1: I want to see your Jets reaction at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game that because I wanted your true authentic

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Speaker 1: investment in the same way the fan is um. But

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Speaker 1: you're right, you have to reinvent yourself um And and

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Speaker 1: every person who's managed to stay relevant has done so

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Speaker 1: over a longer period of time. Is it the same

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Speaker 1: thing for franchises and programs. We're about to find out

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Speaker 1: with example I used earlier with Wisconsin. Can they stay

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Speaker 1: with that identity? And and by the way, that identity

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Speaker 1: or maybe the recruiting base, for example, keeps them from

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Speaker 1: being a national championship contender and puts their ceiling you

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Speaker 1: know at eight and four, at nine and three as

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Speaker 1: a big in West champion, you know, we're about to

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Speaker 1: sign out if they hire somebody else with a different idea.

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Speaker 1: Nebraska tried it. Nebraska was its identity and it was

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Speaker 1: a miserable failure. It was, but look at the Patriots

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Speaker 1: will So when Brady started out game manager right then

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Speaker 1: they went to the running game? Was it not? Was it? Corey?

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Speaker 1: What's his name, They had a running back who was

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Speaker 1: a thumper. They rode that. Then they went to the

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Speaker 1: two tight ends with Gronk and Aaron Hernandez. Then they

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Speaker 1: pivoted to Randy Moss. Then it was the slot receivers

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Speaker 1: with Welker and Edelman and um the other little white

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Speaker 1: guy who runs around I forget his name, but like,

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Speaker 1: they've constantly reinvented themselves, so their identity changed as kind

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Speaker 1: of the roster or the league evolved, right, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know, would you would you agree that the smart

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Speaker 1: teams and like you said, if you want to stay relevant,

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Speaker 1: kind of constantly got to be reinventing. Yeah, so so

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Speaker 1: Corey Dillon. By the way, Corey Dillon, thank you. Um.

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Speaker 1: The other example that gives you gives your argument all

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Speaker 1: of the credibilities Alabama. I mean the change between like,

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Speaker 1: what is it two thousand ten and two thousand twenties, drastic, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is. I think it was like the fourteen or

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Speaker 1: fifteen National Championship game when they lost I don't remember

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Speaker 1: the exact year, when they lost a Clemson for the

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Speaker 1: first time and they say, nixt Seban went home and goes,

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Speaker 1: I can't play football the way we've been playing anymore.

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Speaker 1: I gotta play different offense. And I think that's when

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Speaker 1: we hired Kiffin. But um, yeah, you got it evolved.

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Speaker 1: But see, so the trick is and and nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to hear this, you know I can almost hear. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the coward would ever do this segment, right,

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Speaker 1: although he's an insightful guy and always wants to find

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Speaker 1: it the truth, it's a boring answer. The secret to

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Speaker 1: life is like stoicism and moderation, right, that's the answer

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Speaker 1: to life, not too much of any one direction or

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Speaker 1: any one thing. And so you you want to evolve

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Speaker 1: like the Patriots and like Alabama, like you just said,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be stagnant, maybe like Nebraska was

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Speaker 1: or Wisconsin is. But you also can't be constantly in

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Speaker 1: this search for change, for sake, for the sake of change,

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Speaker 1: I give you one of my other passionate teams, and

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Speaker 1: that's the Texas Longhorns, who I think are now on

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Speaker 1: the right path and they're gonna be amazing. But you know,

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Speaker 1: from Mac Brown to Steve Sarkisian, it was it was

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Speaker 1: constant change in turnover and the through line being um

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Speaker 1: a culture again, And maybe that's the thing. Maybe the

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Speaker 1: culture didn't evolve, maybe it was stuck. Maybe that was

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Speaker 1: a culture of lack of accountability. Um, and change in

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Speaker 1: turn was just the surface level problem. Who was the

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Speaker 1: guy that got from Ohio State who everybody thought was

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Speaker 1: gonna be good? Tom Herman? Was he from Herman? That's right? Well,

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Speaker 1: what on earth happened there? Well? Tom Herman went to Houston,

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Speaker 1: Um after Ohio State. I think you're talking about the

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Speaker 1: coach Tom Herman, right, yeah, Herman Herman, that's it? Yeah, um.

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Speaker 1: And then he came in and you know what the

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Speaker 1: funny thing is, Herman had a winning record and won

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Speaker 1: four bowl games. But Texas expects to be Alabama and

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Speaker 1: they might. They might now be because the other guy

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Speaker 1: they got from Ohio State is Quinn Yours quarterback, which

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now will be the number one

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Speaker 1: overall pick in the NFL Draft, will win the Heisman

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Speaker 1: Trophy and Quinn yours wait wait, wait wait, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: How when is it? When is this happening? He will

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Speaker 1: be a top quarterback in the NFL. Confidently I thought

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Speaker 1: Arch Manning was coming in next year. Well, are just

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Speaker 1: gonna have to sit behind Queen yours. Quinn, wit, are

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Speaker 1: you serious? No doubt? And Arch knows it, and so

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Speaker 1: does Peyton and Cooper hold on it. Well well, well okay,

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Speaker 1: well I was just gonna say, we'll wrap up on Texas.

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Speaker 1: Will Arch Banning, the number one recruiting the country, who

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Speaker 1: allegedly was getting n I L offers in the high

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Speaker 1: seven figures from everybody, is gonna go sit behind Queen yours.

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Speaker 1: You know that he's gonna red shirt. He's gonna he's

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Speaker 1: gonna red shirt and then sit a year behind Queen yours.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the Mannings know this, and they're

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Speaker 1: cool with that's what they want. They want him to

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Speaker 1: red shirt a here. They don't think he's quite ready. Look, however,

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Speaker 1: big of a recruit arches, Quinn was bigger the year before,

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Speaker 1: so he was Quinn is in the vein of Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and Andrew Luck that level of quarterback recruit everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'll stay three months, got a million dollars in I

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Speaker 1: L and then transferred back to Texas. He's really a

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Speaker 1: true freshman, but he's a he's a red shirt freshman

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Speaker 1: on the books, you know, and he is the most

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Speaker 1: if you get a chance, Jason, watch a game. He's

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Speaker 1: the armed talent. Is Patrick Mahomes esque. It's just so easy,

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Speaker 1: so so accurate, so powerful. I'm telling you I'm not.

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Speaker 1: He's just gushy. I gotta be honest. You guys can't

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Speaker 1: see about the zoom, but he's like more excited than

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Speaker 1: the cowboys talk. Did you go to UT? I went

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Speaker 1: to law school UT? Yeah, oh nice? Were you there

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Speaker 1: when Vince Young was tearing it up? Or now I'm

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Speaker 1: a little older than that, but yeah, okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't even know that. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: a little young guy. All right, Well came, um, well

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Speaker 1: you're on TV a lot, Fox News, What what else

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Speaker 1: you want to promote? Here? Checkt me out on Fox

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Speaker 1: and Friends on the weekend, the Will Caine Podcast three

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00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: times a week Monday, Wednesday and Friday. And check me

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Speaker 1: out on Twitter. I'll react a lot, games Live and

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Speaker 1: Instagram as well. Yeah, I g all right, Well, thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot man. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks Jason,