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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on giants

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Speaker 1: dot com The Giants Podcast. Welcome to a special edition

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Speaker 1: of the Giant Hubtle Podcast. John Schmelk, Lance Meadow, Pauledatina

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Speaker 1: with you breaking down the giants final fifty three man

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Speaker 1: roster before we get going on don our mind everybody.

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Speaker 1: we have a fifty three man roster by Monday, it's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be a different fifty three roster. But that's but,

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Speaker 1: but that's okay. UH. Four pm on Saturday was the

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Speaker 1: deadline every NFL team had to be down the fifty

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Speaker 1: three players. Now, as players get put on injured reserve

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Speaker 1: because they have to be carried on to the roster

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Speaker 1: this year, UH, the waivers process will now go on

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Speaker 1: for the next twenty four hours. Teams will add players,

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Speaker 1: they will add street free agents to complete their fifty

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Speaker 1: three and then of course they will fill out their

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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, First of all, how are you? Before

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Speaker 1: looking at all these names, John, how are you? I'm good, Lance,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing very well. I'm just excited that we're intra

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Speaker 1: closer to a meaningful football game, that we finally have

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Speaker 1: the initial fifty three man rosters, so I look at

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Speaker 1: that as somewhat of a positive development. Yes, we are

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Speaker 1: eight days from our first football Sunday of the season,

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Speaker 1: which is great. We are five days away to our

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Speaker 1: football Thursday. Of course, we're recording this right after roster cuts,

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Speaker 1: just after four o'clock on Saturday, September five, And of

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Speaker 1: course we are eight days away, uh from the nine

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Speaker 1: days away rather from the Giants home open, our first

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Speaker 1: game of the season against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday

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Speaker 1: night football. Okay, let's go through the names, folks. Here's

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Speaker 1: who the Giants kept on their fifty three man roster

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Speaker 1: and who they let go. Kept only two quarterbacks, keeping both,

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Speaker 1: of course, Daniel Jones and Colte McCoy. That means Alex

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Speaker 1: Tanney and of course Cooper Rush were are released. At

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Speaker 1: running back, four players Barkley, Dion Lewis, Wayne Gallman, Eli Penny.

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Speaker 1: No one else made the roster. There wide receiver only

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Speaker 1: kept five, which was a surprise to us Sterling Shepard,

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Speaker 1: Golden Tate, Darius Slayton, Corey Coleman and the fifth guy

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Speaker 1: to beat out all the other c J board. That

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Speaker 1: means Alex Bachman did not make it. That means Austin Mack,

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Speaker 1: as well, who was added late in the process. David

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Speaker 1: Sills was waived injured. Tight ends only three. Lance got

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Speaker 1: that one right, Evan Ingram, Caden Smith, Levine Toy Lolo.

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Speaker 1: They on the roster. There a tight end offensive line.

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Speaker 1: They kept nine the five starters as you would imagine,

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Speaker 1: and that includes Nick Gates. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: the third round pick on the roster, Shane Lemieux on

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Speaker 1: Thomas and Fleming the starting tackles, her Nanda Zeitler the

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Speaker 1: along with the three specialist Graham Gonno, Riley Dixon and

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Speaker 1: Casey Krieder, you have twenty seven defensive players on the

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Speaker 1: final fifty three six what I will term interior defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman Dalvin Tomlinson, Dexter, Lawrence Leonard Williams, B J. Hill,

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Speaker 1: R J McKintosh and Austin Johnson all making the final

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Speaker 1: fifty three outside linebacker slash edge rusher six Lorenzo Carter,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, Oshaneziminez, Kyler Facro None of those surprises. Both

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Speaker 1: rookies Cam Brown and Carter Coughlin on the final fifty three.

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Speaker 1: Five inside linebackers. That means the leven total linebackers on

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Speaker 1: the roster Blake Martinez, David Mayo, who will go to

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Speaker 1: three man set, Davante Downs and then two rookies t J. Brunson,

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Speaker 1: Tay Crowder and the name you did not hear there

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Speaker 1: is second year inside linebacker Ryan Connolly, not on the

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Speaker 1: your biggest surprise Looking at this final fifty three, Ryan

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Speaker 1: surprising removal today. I'm sure you guys may have some

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Speaker 1: last season during his rookie campaign unfortunately was cut short

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Speaker 1: open up another spot for nature linebacker. Good points to

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Speaker 1: not duplicate what the two of you just said. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go in a different direction, and John, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to mention a specific player. I think the most

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Speaker 1: just keeping five wide receivers and the reason being number one.

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Speaker 1: There was a great deal of depth at that position

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Speaker 1: in camp. I almost had seven on your prediction, right,

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Speaker 1: I had kept six, No, but you but you almost

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Speaker 1: I'll throw two things out there. I think the six

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Speaker 1: bad thing. They kept every draft pick except for one,

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Speaker 1: I think that's significant. And we had talked about this,

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the undrafted free agents? And

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Speaker 1: Those seventh round picks are almost equivalent to undrafted free agents.

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Speaker 1: So they basically got their pick of the litter of

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Speaker 1: They kept three of them. And there isn't one undrafted

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Speaker 1: great point, John, I think before we get two caught

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Speaker 1: anticipate it being that high this year. No, because I

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Speaker 1: guys missed the tackle, there was a huge return and

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Speaker 1: that came back to bite the Giants. So I think

430
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Speaker 1: Joe Judge and of course Thomas mcgahey still being on

431
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Speaker 1: the staff, you want to then make sure your coverage

432
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Speaker 1: units are going to be strong and you're gonna have

433
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Speaker 1: options guys that could hustle down the field, make tackles

434
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Speaker 1: out in open space. And as you guys laid out,

435
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of athletes that they could tap

436
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Speaker 1: into on this roster. The other thing that I wanted

437
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Speaker 1: to add with respect to the versatility point, John, that

438
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Speaker 1: you mentioned in all likelihood, if McKinney goes on I

439
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Speaker 1: R that they'll bring in another defensive back. Remember there

440
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Speaker 1: is some versatility and interchangeable parts within the secondary. That

441
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they shouldn't add an additional person, but

442
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: Logan Ryan and Julian Love are cable of playing both

443
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Speaker 1: corner and safety. You just wonder the logic behind moving

444
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Speaker 1: those guys around. Does that give them a little more

445
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Speaker 1: freedom and flexibility in the early stages of the season

446
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Speaker 1: and maybe getting away with just having nine dbs as

447
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: opposed to bringing the number back up to ten once

448
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Speaker 1: we assume McKinney goes on. I given the league and

449
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Speaker 1: the way they passed the ball, now, nine is nine

450
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Speaker 1: is a small number of defensive backs to carry on

451
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Speaker 1: your final fifty three. Didn't we all have ten yesterday? Did? Yeah? Yeah?

452
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah. So I'm not going to change my

453
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Speaker 1: opinion on that, and I'm not expecting you to change.

454
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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out as just a conversational piece,

455
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Speaker 1: that's all. Yeah. I mean to me, I think I

456
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Speaker 1: think that's such an important position now, and you talk

457
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Speaker 1: about personal versatility, right, and Jerrol Peppers can be a

458
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Speaker 1: sub package linebacker two if you want which and if

459
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Speaker 1: you want to use him in that role and dime

460
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Speaker 1: where you know he's basically you know, uh, acting as

461
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Speaker 1: a linebacker though he's a dB, so it's almost like

462
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Speaker 1: a like a small nickel or a big dime. Um

463
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Speaker 1: that would be something you can consider. So I would

464
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Speaker 1: bet that they replaced McKinney and and you know, if

465
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Speaker 1: you look at the guys they kept in that defensive backfield,

466
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Speaker 1: there aren't a number a lot of straight cornerbacks right.

467
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Speaker 1: The only straight cornerbacks that they kept are Bradberry, Balantine Holmes,

468
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Speaker 1: and Yacht him the former third round pick they traded

469
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Speaker 1: for this week. So those those are the only straight cornerbacks.

470
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Speaker 1: And Logan Ryan's a guy that can go back and forth,

471
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Speaker 1: and Darny Holmes I think probably a guy that's gonna

472
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Speaker 1: work primarily inside. You're looking at three guys that are

473
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Speaker 1: primarily outside cornerbacks, with Ryan and Holmes perhaps being able

474
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Speaker 1: to do that, and Ebner to me, I wouldn't even

475
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Speaker 1: necessarily qualify as as a safety. I think he's primarily

476
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Speaker 1: a special teams guy. Then you have Chandler Love and

477
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Speaker 1: Peppers as your three safeties with kind of Logan Ryan

478
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Speaker 1: going back and forth, I think you need. And that's

479
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Speaker 1: the thing Lance you say, Okay, maybe keep nine d

480
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Speaker 1: b s. I know that's not what you're advocating for.

481
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 1: That's something that they can think about. Ed, there's one

482
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Speaker 1: of the nine and that and that's the thing he's

483
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: to me, he's much more of a special team with

484
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Speaker 1: than a guy you're gonna see in the defensive secondary

485
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Speaker 1: a lot. So virtually almost almost have eight right in

486
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Speaker 1: terms of guys that really have a lot of experience playing. Agreed. Yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: because all of his snaps, the majority of them in

488
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Speaker 1: New England were on special teams. And you know, there's

489
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Speaker 1: one final thing I definitely want to say before we

490
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Speaker 1: kick it out of here, John, and that would be that, Uh,

491
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Speaker 1: we talk all the time about the unknowns, and I

492
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Speaker 1: think all of us had hard at John our fifty three,

493
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Speaker 1: did we not? Yeah? But who know about the injury? Okay,

494
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Speaker 1: and that's what we're talking about. Look, you sent me

495
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Speaker 1: a message yesterday, all right, tell tell the folks what

496
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Speaker 1: you sent me yesterday afternoon? Tell me Because we had

497
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Speaker 1: done our final fifty three predictions on the show yesterday

498
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Speaker 1: and we wrapped up the show around noon, at around

499
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Speaker 1: I don't know what was it, two or three o'clock,

500
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Speaker 1: we heard where that David Sills got put on edge

501
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Speaker 1: of reserve because of the foot injury. And I wrote

502
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Speaker 1: the Tino en Land. I think Lance is on the

503
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Speaker 1: email too. I officially replaced David Sills with with Johnny

504
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Speaker 1: Holton on my final fifty three, which, by the way,

505
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Speaker 1: I was not going to mention because it was wrong.

506
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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for selling me out, phol. I appreciate it,

507
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: but you know, it's okay. But that's the thing, you know,

508
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Speaker 1: we just and that's why you guys didn't have Stills

509
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Speaker 1: on your final fifty three by the way, because of

510
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Speaker 1: the injury. And I rolled the dice because I didn't

511
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Speaker 1: know what the seriousness of it was. But three of

512
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Speaker 1: us rolled the dice on hardage, yeah, and we all lost.

513
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Speaker 1: I did not. I did not have hard in my

514
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Speaker 1: final fifty three. By the way, you did. I did

515
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Speaker 1: not know. I did. Oh, I take it back, I

516
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Speaker 1: did not. But but by the way, I didn't know

517
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Speaker 1: about the injury. I I just it was not injury related. Yeah,

518
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Speaker 1: So I mean, and and that's the one thing I think,

519
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Speaker 1: you know, I just want to make very clear to everybody,

520
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Speaker 1: is that there are so many different angles to the

521
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Speaker 1: prism and so many different pieces of paper, and each

522
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Speaker 1: guy's personnel folder and you know, we could say all

523
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Speaker 1: we want to about the logic behind what we think

524
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Speaker 1: is going to be the likely move. We could also

525
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Speaker 1: say what we thought we saw at practice that look

526
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Speaker 1: good and and maybe we're not so sure about Well,

527
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Speaker 1: all those things are really great, but you know what,

528
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: there are more pieces of paper in that personnel folder

529
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Speaker 1: for each one of those players then we could possibly know.

530
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Speaker 1: And those things make a big difference when it comes

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Speaker 1: to making a roster. And that's why this thing is

532
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Speaker 1: such a crap shoot. Okay, before we say goodbye, guys,

533
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Speaker 1: two things I want to touch on very quickly. Guys,

534
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Speaker 1: you think are most likely to be on that practice

535
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Speaker 1: squad when we look at it? And I was that

536
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Speaker 1: going to be finalized by like Tuesday or Wednesday? I

537
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Speaker 1: would think, Paul. Usually that's when we get the final

538
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Speaker 1: practice squad. You know what, they actually have twenty four

539
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Speaker 1: hours once the waivers clear, twenty four hours from now,

540
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Speaker 1: you can start signing practice squad guys. So by four

541
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Speaker 1: o'clock tomorrow, well, it'll it'll start at four o'clock tomorrow,

542
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Speaker 1: but sometimes you don't get the announcements on who's on

543
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Speaker 1: there until Wednesday. Actually, you know what the teams are

544
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: very slow most in most cases to announce those practice

545
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Speaker 1: squad guys. You'll wind up getting them from the agents

546
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Speaker 1: who are going to put that stuff. And by the way,

547
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Speaker 1: it might even be slower this year because a lot

548
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Speaker 1: of these guys might have to go through additional protocols

549
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Speaker 1: if they're coming in from which, by the way, is

550
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Speaker 1: another reason why is Dave Gettleman just announced the other

551
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Speaker 1: day in his press or you played the cut. I

552
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Speaker 1: believe on the show you're more likely to bring your

553
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Speaker 1: own guys back for that very reason. Anyway, I also

554
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Speaker 1: think you're more likely to bring your own guys back

555
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Speaker 1: because they've been with you throughout the whole loss the scheme.

556
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Speaker 1: So give me some name guys that you think and

557
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: we can go back and forth however you want to

558
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: do it, that you think are most likely to show

559
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: up on that practice called whatever at least three receivers, yeah,

560
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: and four And I think you know the guys we've

561
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Speaker 1: talked about, Bachman and Mac I think would be on

562
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Speaker 1: the top of that list for me. Of the guys

563
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Speaker 1: that that were let go um, I think John Hallapel

564
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Speaker 1: being on that practice squad is probably likely, given they

565
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Speaker 1: brought him back to get a look at him. I

566
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Speaker 1: think if they could add him there, I think that

567
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: makes sense. Um, Eric Smith, I think Hay is a

568
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Speaker 1: good lance I agree with that, and he and he's

569
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Speaker 1: and he's a guy that's under four years, so he

570
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Speaker 1: wouldn't take up one of those slots. I think either

571
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Speaker 1: Rush or Tanny or both of them have potential to

572
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Speaker 1: be on that practice squad, unless before that he might

573
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Speaker 1: be in a day and a half. Tomlinson and or

574
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Speaker 1: Dickerson I think are also options at tight end totally

575
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Speaker 1: of the practice squad. I'll give you one, Carson Taker, Yeah,

576
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Speaker 1: as a long snapper, good call. Um, Chris Layton, the

577
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: former seventh round pick, I can see him being a

578
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Speaker 1: guy perhaps on the practice squad. Benjamin Victor could be

579
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Speaker 1: one of those receivers, especially given his size. To your

580
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: thoughts on maybe Dravon ask you Henry, given his versatility

581
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Speaker 1: in the defensive backfield as a possible practice squad Yeah,

582
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Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy, actually, John who could play

583
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Speaker 1: all three positions. He could play some safety, he can

584
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Speaker 1: play some slot, and he can play some boundary. Uh

585
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Speaker 1: you know again, I think I think he's a bubble

586
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Speaker 1: practice squad guy. How about that not just a practice squad,

587
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: not just the bubble fifty three, but a bubble practice squads.

588
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: Seventeen candidates for the practice squad because you know, you

589
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: know a guy you we left off and just kind

590
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: of throwing names around as Tyler Haycraft. Yeah, I was

591
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: actually just about to bring him up. I think he's

592
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: and you know, Brandon Williams and jarn Williams at corner.

593
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: I think are possibly two guys that you know, maybe

594
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Speaker 1: one of those guys even gets back on the active roster.

595
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Who knows. Um, I think those guys are possibilities. To

596
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: look at this Aren Williams, there's there's twenty seven guys again,

597
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: plotscom or the international Austrian running back does not count.

598
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: He is obviously now off the team. He was only

599
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: an international exemption. So there are twenty seven names that

600
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: the Giants paired from the roster today, and they can

601
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Speaker 1: bring back sixteen plus the two guys they're going to

602
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Speaker 1: use for the Mayo and McKinney spots. So in reality,

603
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: you could see eighteen of these twenty seven names coming

604
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Speaker 1: back to the team. Let's I mean, let's just do

605
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Speaker 1: the mail and make it clear for people eighteen out

606
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: of twenty seven could come back. All right, And now, Lance,

607
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: I know you like to keep track of this poll.

608
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you have over the course

609
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Speaker 1: of the day, if you've been glued to your Twitter

610
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: feed or not. No, not at all. Well, I knows

611
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Speaker 1: watched you guys watch that I did not. I was.

612
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: I was spending some time with the daughter today. That's

613
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: a good move. Yes, absolutely, it was beautiful day today

614
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: was yes. Um, anyway, guys around the league that maybe

615
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: we're let go that surprised you guys, and you think

616
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Speaker 1: maybe fantishould keep an eye on well, I would probably

617
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Speaker 1: put this under the category of surprise only because they're

618
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: not that far removed from when they were drafted. The

619
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Speaker 1: Eagles parted ways with two guys in the secondary that

620
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: they drafted in the two thousand seventeen class, Sidney Jones,

621
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Speaker 1: who remember was hurt because he got hurt of the

622
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Speaker 1: combine to Achilles. Yeah, and then Russell Douglas. And those

623
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Speaker 1: are two guys that are also familiar with the division.

624
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Speaker 1: So that's why I think those are worthy of throwing

625
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Speaker 1: out there, simply because of the fact I'm not saying

626
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: the Giants. But if you are looking to bring somebody

627
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Speaker 1: in and you don't have obviously the same type of flexibility,

628
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: maybe you point to guys that have been in the

629
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Speaker 1: division and understand the opposition. Paul, anybody you're about to you, well,

630
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Speaker 1: I mean again, Butler, there we go. You know, Yeah, look, look, Paul,

631
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: he loves this skyscrapers. You know, that was a Cardinals

632
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: wide receiver who was drafted last year just for yes

633
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: and cut yesterday, waived actually yesterday and drafted about what

634
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Paul four or five pick before the Giants drafted Julian

635
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: Love before. Yeah, it was a handful. And the thing

636
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: about it is waivers expired on him at four o'clock today.

637
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I did not see any claims now. He suffered a

638
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: broken hand as a rookie and spent the entire season

639
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: on I R. I don't know what happened to him

640
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: during the course of training camp where they decided to

641
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Speaker 1: give up on him. Was it something physical, was in

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Speaker 1: an attitude? Was it a personality clash? What exactly happened there?

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Speaker 1: I do not know, but I will say this, he

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Speaker 1: was a very intriguing skyscraper coming out of school. And uh,

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Speaker 1: there's got to be somebody in the NFL that, if

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Speaker 1: he's passed through waivers now, is going to grab him

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Speaker 1: as a free agent. I would be intrigued to at

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Speaker 1: least make a phone call and investigate what exactly the

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Speaker 1: yellow flags may be with him, because for a team

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Speaker 1: that could use a skyscraper, he would be a heck

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Speaker 1: of a guy to bring in for a try and

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Speaker 1: a car. Those also just loaded a wide receiver. He

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Speaker 1: might have just got caught the numbers game to a

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Speaker 1: lot of young guys on that roster, all right. I

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Speaker 1: mean a couple of contracts by the way, with keenan

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Speaker 1: Allen contract extension, and we had a Deshaun Watson contract

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Speaker 1: extension well in the last couple of hours. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know Paul's very psyched about the Deshaun Watson contracts,

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Speaker 1: so I'm very anxious to hear his commented. I didn't

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Speaker 1: see the numbers on it, Lands, Lands give it to him.

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Speaker 1: What do you do? What do you get? What do

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Speaker 1: you get? Ready to go for a hundred sixty million

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Speaker 1: and there's a hundred eleven million guarantee, but that's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily the fully guaranteed money. It's all about forty a year. Hello, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And that's what's being tacked on to his existing contract,

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Speaker 1: and that is a contractor two thousand and that is

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Speaker 1: according to results of according to reports, by the way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's another team now eliminated from championship contention. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: no problem. I'm not su where they were in there anyway.

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Speaker 1: But that's a good point, John, good point, good point.

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Speaker 1: They did trade DeAndre Hopkins a few months ago. That, yes,

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Speaker 1: that might have heard him a little bad receiver. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but they don't have another DeAndre Hopkins, No, they don't.

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Speaker 1: He catches just about anything thrown his way, so I

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Speaker 1: can't say somebody else on the roster meets that criteria.

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Speaker 1: Not not a skyscraper, but I think, Paul you would

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Speaker 1: consider him one of those contested catch guys. Right. Well, again,

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Speaker 1: when you have the kind of length and the kind

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Speaker 1: of hands that he's got, he plays like a skyscraper,

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Speaker 1: even if not all of the dimensions and measurements meet

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Speaker 1: the standard. Yeah. Yeah, Hopkins is almost like like like

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Speaker 1: a like like a Superman version of the keem Nicks

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Speaker 1: almost right. Quite frankly, yes, yes, he was a jacked

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Speaker 1: up version of a kee Nicks. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: great comparison because the chem Knicks played like a skyscraper,

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Speaker 1: even though technically he wasn't one. Al Right, guys, final thoughts,

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Speaker 1: anything you want, anything else you want to say before

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Speaker 1: he say goodbye. One other thing I wanted to point out, guys,

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Speaker 1: just as an example of the turnover rate on this

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Speaker 1: giant's roster. I was perusing it as we were talking,

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Speaker 1: and the one position that jumps out to me if

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Speaker 1: you guys look at the inside linebackers. Five guys made

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Speaker 1: the roster very interesting that technically none of them were

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Speaker 1: on the initial fifty three man roster. Last point, just

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Speaker 1: to give you an idea, David Mayo was remember added

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Speaker 1: right after at Davante Downs. Was a late addition. So

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Speaker 1: it just goes to show you that position has been

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Speaker 1: completely revailed pretty much in comparison to where we were

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Speaker 1: at this time last year. It's a great point. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, defensive back isn't that much different. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the only guys returning from last year are Balantine, Pepper's Love,

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Speaker 1: and Seaun Chandler, So six out of those ten are

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Speaker 1: new and Balentine was a key last year and Julie

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Speaker 1: Love was a rookie last year, so they've really, you know,

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Speaker 1: turn that position around an awful lot too. No, you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right. Hey, you know what fellas? Uh, Dave Gentleman

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Speaker 1: knew he had a big job when he came in

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Speaker 1: and took it. And we're three years in now and

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Speaker 1: he has done a real rebuild. Let's not kill ourselves.

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Speaker 1: It's been a rebuild because you know, you talk about

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Speaker 1: Sterling Shepard five years in the league, uh now with

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Speaker 1: the Giants, and he is the eldest statesman to wear

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Speaker 1: the helmet. I mean, it's it's just unbelievable eternal and

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Toms and the elder statement on defense, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's not sell those guys a young players on their

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Speaker 1: rookie contracts. It's crazy anyway, guys, fun stuff and folks,

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Speaker 1: remember we're back on Monday with Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: What time is it gonna babe, don't know. We're waiting

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Speaker 1: to get that's some tease, don't know. We'll let you know.

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Speaker 1: It will be Monday afternoon. Um, we're hoping for noon,

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Speaker 1: but until we get the official team's media schedule for

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Speaker 1: the regular season, which we have not received yet. Um

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Speaker 1: I can't exactly schedule it because I don't know when.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to talk to players and Joe Judge

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Speaker 1: every day, so we're waiting and waiting and as soon

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Speaker 1: as I have that information, stay tuned to our Twitter feed,

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Speaker 1: we will put it up there. But at some point

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Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon we'll be back for Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: Live and we can actually start talking about a football

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Speaker 1: game coming up in a week. L A Louija, who

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about the same stuff for the last

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Speaker 1: literally eight months. Well, you know what, it's time to

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Speaker 1: talk about some real football coming your way in a week,

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Speaker 1: NFL Style. For Paul Datino on Lance Metal, I'm John Schmilk.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to talk to you on Monday, folks. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you then for another episode of Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us in the Giant Huttle Podcast,

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Speaker 1: where you can find on all your favorite podcast platforms,

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Speaker 1: the Giants Mobile app, and of course Giants dot Com

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Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts, where you can find all of our podcasts offerings,

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Speaker 1: including The Giants Huddle, the aforementioned Big Blue Kickoff Live,

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Speaker 1: and of course Giants Rewind with Carl Banks for Lance

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Speaker 1: and Paul. I'm schmelk wiill see you on Monday. Have

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Speaker 1: ago when everybody have a great holiday weekend. Stay safe,