1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast voted against Josh Freeman as captain. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Round the League Podcast. 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Henderson. I am joined by a 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: room full of heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal. 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: What up, boys? You just did that intro, but then 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: you did it again. I'm confused why you did it 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: a second time? I put Greg, I put your name 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: before Marks. I never do that, so I need to 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: do it again. I think the viewers, the listeners would 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: be okay with that. You think subconsciously, actually subconsciously, you 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: were dissing Mark because he uh, he's a kind of 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: a trader. Why am I a trader? Bad point? Well, 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: we came up a little bit of a late start 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: for the podcast today because we came up to Studio 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: sixty six during our regular time and upstairs Dave damashek 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: still rolling and Mark Sessler was a guest on the 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Damnascheck pod. So it was a little off putting on 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: some level for the A t L boys to come 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: upstairs to our podcast and then there Sessler running late 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: with well, I mean you know that it's beyond any 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: humans ability to stop him from a show going late. 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: I had little to do with that, but I believe 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: Wes joined the show days ago, and days before that 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: you joined the shape. That was before we were told, 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: specifically by Mr Damaschik, that he is planning a fight 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: between his foursome and our foursom. Well, I'm just wondering 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: what side Sessler is gonna be on. This reminds me 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of when the Patriots went to the 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Meanwhile, Bill Parcels is having phone conversations to 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: take a job with the Jets. Divided loyalties. We'll let 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: you pick the groceries, Mark hey Um. By the way, 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: k Rich, we had a we have new drops at 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: the beginning. We have new intros. Matt money Smith was 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: nice enough to record. I thought the one we used 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: today was fitting, and we'll get to that in the news. 36 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: But I we did a pretty good job. We got 37 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: everything Crystal wanted, and she seems to be in a 38 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: better mood now because we listened to her. K Rich 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: is so much happier. And if you guys can tell, 40 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: you all retreated to Candy this morning. So Rich just 41 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: when Ricky Anderson on Third Person, we have a big 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: Thursday night game coming up, but we're gonna start with 43 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: the headlines. K Rich take it away, alright, Bucks head 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: coach Greg Ciano, by the way, in the hot seat 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: or not, I will always have love for my fellow, Yes, 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: fellow Scarlet Knight has announced that Mike Lennon will be 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: the starting QB first the Cards. Well, I guess I'll start, 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: and I will say this is the right move. I mean, 49 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: it's time to move on from Josh Freeman. Arguably the 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: time was after last year and with the season going 51 00:02:54,720 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: nowhere in Freeman completing his passes, let's just earnered over 52 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: to the rookie and see if you could save the season. Oh, 53 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: it was inevitable. And I find it funny that we 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: probably wrote seventy two eighties stories over the off season 55 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: of Shiano promising that I don't know what you guys 56 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: are talking about. Josh Freeman is my quarterback, will be 57 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: continue to be my quarterback no matter what. First sign 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: of trouble and he's gone. But listen, they inherited him, 59 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: they drafted someone else. That's never a good situation for 60 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: the sitting quarterback. I think the lesson for me is 61 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: now Freeman is on the trade block our Ian Rapp 62 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Report reports how quickly the change happens. In the NFL 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, their quarterback coach said he wouldn't 64 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: swap Freeman for any other quarterback in NFL. Collinsworth ranked 65 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: Freeman ahead of Eli Manning and Matt Ryan and his 66 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: quarterback rankings that year, Freeman was getting some comparisons outrageous 67 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: though they were too big Ben as a big, hulking 68 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: quarterback with mobility you couldn't bring down. He had to 69 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: six tdd interception ratio completion percentage Over was seen as 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: a leader at the time, a guy that you want 71 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: to build your franchise around. Mark Dominic and Raheem Moore 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: has both made it clear that third number one priority 73 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: was just making sure we get more weapons for our 74 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: new leader, who was basically the face of the franchise. 75 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Three years later, Jets fans are telling me they wouldn't 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: take Freeman over Geno Smith. To me, as a football observer, 77 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: your antenna should be raised when conventional wisdom on one 78 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: player vacillates that much in a two or three year period. Yeah, 79 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: he's not as bad, I don't think, as he's played 80 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: this year, although he has played very poorly. But I 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: think it's just such a big moment in Siano's tenure 82 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: here and you have to wonder about his future, certainly 83 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: Mike Sullivan, the offensive coordinator's future. This is a team, 84 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, lining up in the wrong spot, a lot 85 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: of penalties. Mike Williams didn't seem to know what he 86 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: was doing on the field last week, so it just 87 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: wasn't Freeman. Do you guys think if this doesn't turn it? 88 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine Mike Glennon turning this team round 89 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: at all. I mean, Shiano kind of compared him to, Hey, 90 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: there's some rookie quarterbacks in the playoffs last year where 91 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: this doesn't mean you know, we're gonna lose if this 92 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: season goes really poorly, let's say two and fourteen, three 93 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: and thirteen. Do you think Shianno could lose his job? Absolutely. 94 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: I think it's one thing for Freeman after you've already 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: greased the kids for his departure all off season. It's 96 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: another thing when a guy like Darell Rivas, who your 97 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: owner basically went out and made a trade for, gave 98 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: him a huge contract, is already unhappy with the head 99 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: coach to me, that's a that's a battle for power 100 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: that Rivas might win over Shiano. I'll take a step further. 101 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be stunned if at if they are two 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: and nine in November he gets fired then I I 103 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: mean I think that he he lost a lot of 104 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: his mojo last year. He kind of you know, as 105 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: the year when went along. I know that, you know, 106 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: taking over initially for the younger era kind of worked. 107 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: But you know, that discipline act, it doesn't really hold 108 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: up in the NFL, especially if you don't win and 109 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: they're not winning, so you could see where that could 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: lead to a mutiny rather quickly. One more thing on 111 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: glenn and Jason Smith, who was in the studio before. 112 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: He said Bucky brooks Um who is our one of 113 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: our draft poo bas. He said that Sana was a 114 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: big fan of Glennon. He recruited him. He didn't go 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: to Rutgers, but he recruited him. And they're gonna push 116 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: the ball down field. It's likely they'll push the ball 117 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: down field with Glennon and he's gonna take some chances. 118 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: So don't expect any handcuff situations for this offense. And 119 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: maybe this will be good news for Vincent Jackson. It 120 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: just seems so random though. I mean, if if Lavonte 121 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: David doesn't have that penalty, Josh Freeman's probably the quarterback, right, 122 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not kind of replace them, right. The 123 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: move happened sooner because the fact that the Bucks are 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: owing three. No team in the history of the NFL 125 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: had lost two games in the last what was it 126 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: five seconds or something like that they did in a row. 127 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: And I think that Freeman's you know, core was real 128 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: tight to begin with. They don't believe in him, and 129 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to look at what he did 130 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: this season and really argue with that. But I don't 131 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: think Sana is gonna be gone this season after the season. Sure, yeah, 132 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't think Siano 133 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: it would be in too much troubled and almost no 134 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: matter how bad this season goes. That's just my read 135 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: on kind of what they're buying into the Shiano program. 136 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: I think the first fall guy after Freeman then would 137 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: be Mike Sullivan, and the next one might be Mark Dominic, 138 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: the general manager. He's the one that's picked all these players. 139 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: He's been around there longer and This is just a 140 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: total guest, but I think Siano might have a better 141 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: chance of sticking around than all of them. And it 142 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me either if they turn this thing around 143 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: a little bit and win some games and at least 144 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: make it respectable, because it's a great defense. Alright, cay Rich. 145 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: What else is in the news? Al right? Next up, 146 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Vikings quarterback Christian Ponder reveals his rib injury. I personally 147 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: am wondering who's more affected, Leslie Fraser Samantha Ponder at what? Yeah? 148 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: At all? Right? Okay, well, all right, well here we go. 149 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Could we see Matt Castle 150 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: this week? Tom Brady and his press conference kinda hinted 151 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: at the fact that maybe Matt Castle was starting this week. 152 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: It sounded like maybe he had a conversation with Castle 153 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: and that they were talking about Castle getting on on 154 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: the field. You had said before the season, didn't you. 155 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: You had asked us the over under of when we'll 156 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: see Castle? I said six games. I didn't factor injury 157 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: into it though, right to be fair, maybe they'll go 158 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: after Josh Freeman. Is that at all possible? I don't 159 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: think it's over for Freeman by any stretch, and I 160 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: think he certainly showed enough. It's not like Sanchez, where 161 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: I think the well is so poisoned at this point 162 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: that would be very difficult for him to walk into 163 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: another starting job. I feel like Freeman, if a team 164 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: bought in, he could have a chance to to salvage 165 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: his career here. But uh, I don't know. This front 166 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: office does have a history of making desperation plays for 167 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: veteran quarterbacks who washed out in other places. Who would 168 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: you be referring to? Brett Farve Donovan McNabb. To me, 169 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: the most similar situation is mcnabbs In two thousand and eleven, 170 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: McNabb had a ten million dollar bonus coming which couldn't 171 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: be written off. It had to be that the team 172 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: acquiring him had to find a way to satisfy McNabb's 173 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: financial demands and satisfy the other team's draft pick compensation. 174 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: That's a similar situation to now Well. I would say. 175 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: The difference though, is that McNabb, for better or worse, 176 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: came with some sort of a pedigree, where with Freeman. Honestly, 177 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: if a team wants to make a change at quarterback 178 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: and bring Freeman in, beyond the salary and the ponderous 179 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: you know contract situation there. He's not a guy that 180 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: you can put into a new offense and roll out 181 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: on Sunday, where I think you could with Farv and 182 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: you could with McNabb to some degree. I think Freeman 183 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: needs a full offseason to develop and be coached well 184 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: on another team before we roll him out again as 185 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: another starter. And in Minnesota, I mean, for me, with 186 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: the Ponder and the Castle thing, what's the difference between 187 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: the two, Well, you would hope if you're the Vikings, 188 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: you would hope there is a difference because otherwise, a 189 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: journeyman at this point, backup quarterback that you're not paying 190 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: that much money is just as good as you're supposed 191 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. You're coming from the vantage point that you've 192 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: already given up on Christian Ponder as a franchise quarterback. 193 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're there as an organization yet. 194 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: If they are, it's a it's a bad place to be. 195 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: And I don't think they would go get Freeman because 196 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: he's doing so much money and they probably figure what's 197 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the difference between him and Matt Castle. Anyways, and while 198 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: we you know, while we're here and we're If we're 199 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: gonna mention Brett Farve, we got to mention what his agent, 200 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: Bus Cook said yesterday. UM, I almost feel like it 201 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: would be nice to have some romantic R and B 202 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: music behind us. Um. His arms look like a blacksmith's arms. 203 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: He rides a bike, probably thirty to fifty miles a day. 204 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: He runs four or five miles a day. He's coaching 205 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: at the high school and they're undefeated. He loves his 206 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: body fat seven and he weighs two. He could play 207 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: today better than a lot of them that's there today. 208 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: I feel like he just boiled down the script of 209 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: Forrest Gump into two sentences like that is old enough. 210 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: He was alive when they were blacksmith around. I don't know, 211 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: but I'm want blacksmith's arms. And honestly, what is the 212 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: dynamic of this Cook far relationship in two thousand thirteen 213 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: to know all this information about him? His exact body 214 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: fat percentage is a He is a working farmer at 215 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: this point, and you know, for those of us that 216 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: have just had desk jobs for the last twenty years, 217 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: a working farmer has a lot of natural strength. He 218 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: works on one of those bicycle farms. He's around his farmland. 219 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: I'm assuming I might take him over you are I 220 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: might take him over Ponder though, I think from the 221 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: description that Cook's giving it, he has to be doing 222 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: like the Rocky training montage in Russia every day to 223 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: have this type of build for what is forties, like 224 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: bench pressing railroad ties. Yeah, like climbing a mountain and 225 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: maybe yelling Ponder or something. The thing. The last time 226 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: we saw farv and it was on some television segment 227 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: like a couple of months ago, he's like an exiting president, 228 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: like his hair turned snow white, and he suddenly aged 229 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: like eight years, like a gymnast body after she leaves 230 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: gymnastics behind. Here's the question I opposed to you. You 231 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: don't have to cover the game. You don't have to 232 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: worry about the pregame height or the post game fallout. 233 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: You don't have to have a take. Are you taking 234 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: Brett Farve over Andy Dalton two quarterback the Bengals offense? Yes, 235 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: just to watch because Andy Dalton's maybe the most boring 236 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: quarterback to watch in the last twenty years and there. 237 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: But I would take a Killie Smith over Andy Dalton too. 238 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Just because it would be tomic, it would be a 239 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: train wreck. You'd maybe you'd be like, well, far you're 240 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: talking about five, who has that thing to him that factory? 241 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: Do not have that in the NFL right now? And 242 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: by the way, Greg's QB buzz index is that what 243 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: it's called quarterback in Quarterback Index is presented by Wrangler. 244 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: So that might anything else in the news, Yes, we 245 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: sure do you have more? After a huge upset win 246 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: over the Vikings in week three, I'm not at all 247 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: surprised by this news. Ryan Hoyer will start again for 248 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: the Browns in Week four against the Bengals. Mark well 249 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: Weeden is injured. In theory he's injured. Yeah, in theory, 250 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't. Again, I stick with the fact, the idea, 251 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: not the fact that we will not see weed And 252 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: again this season. Did you see the last Batman movie, 253 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: Dark Knight returns. Maybe at one point Baine defeats Batman 254 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: and then he puts him in this cave where other 255 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: prisoners are. Captain climb out of a cave. I feel 256 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: like Weedon might be somewhere beneath Brea in one of 257 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: those death Rattle caves down there. I think that's where yes, 258 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: is that not how you pronounce it? That is Barria. 259 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: I believe. The other news today in Cleveland was you 260 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: know Dynski or Josh Gordon said that Rob Chodynsky told 261 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: them that they will not be trading him if if 262 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: they did trade Josh Gordon after that performance last week, 263 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: Like do you would you support that? Because I honestly 264 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: would say that that that would as a as you 265 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: remove everything else as a fan, that would anger me 266 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: where that Richardson deal did not anger me. If you 267 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: start if you shop away Gordon, it's like this is 268 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: a genuine They haven't had a receiver like that in decades, 269 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: and you know what, you're not going to get what 270 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: you should get form in a trade because he's one 271 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: bad test away from being gone for a year. So 272 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: they'd have to shop him low and that would that 273 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: would make me upset. Yes, people think of him as 274 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: a deep threat, but he was any good last week 275 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: after the catchment until shut him down. He he made 276 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: some plays in the second half. He can't stop how 277 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: it was like Chyls played a great game. One thing 278 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: that got lost in Hoyer's game was that he had 279 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: there was a stretcher. They had eight possessions with no 280 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: points and three interceptions. Well that's Brown's football, Greg in 281 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: the last draft. Anything else in the news? K Rich 282 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much. K Rich. Alright, moving 283 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: right along. We talked about the fine people at Wrangler, 284 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: Oh with their nice blue jeans so well cut. They 285 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: have presented a t L the Quarterback Index, Greg's running 286 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: series this season. Greg released his his latest edition today 287 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: on the Around the League blog. We implore you check 288 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: it out. So, Greg, do you want to tell us 289 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about your thinking? I mean, you rank 290 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: what do you have? Are you ranked the top ten quarterbacks? Yeah, 291 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: it's about ten and then a few that are close. 292 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: And this week I just kind of switched it to 293 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: just you know, radium on this season alone. So Tom 294 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: Brady is not there because he's not playing that well 295 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: yet this season. It's not a legacy thing. And and 296 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: the guy that I struggled the most with was Philip 297 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: Rivers because I watched every throw the last two weeks 298 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: that he made, and I think there's only one or 299 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: two bad ones. I don't know how many quarterbacks are 300 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: playing better than Philip Rivers right now. This is Greg's 301 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: top five. Peyton Manning which no one's gonna argue with 302 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. No one should argue with Philip Rivers at 303 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: number three, which should be argued with then Drew Drew Brees, 304 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: and then perhaps surprisingly Matt Ryan at number five. I 305 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: I will take umbradge with Philip Rivers. You know, I 306 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: am very anti Chargers this year after what happened in 307 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: Week one with my hero pick being torn asunder, But 308 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: I will reference that Week one game. Yes, he's been 309 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: on balance, it's been a big bounce back season for 310 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, but I do remember him throwing around a 311 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: lot of those Rivers groundballs in the first half and 312 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: the second half of that game. And if we're only 313 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: basing this on three games, and he blew one of 314 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: them or helped blow one of them, and they've lost 315 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: two of three games, how is he number three on 316 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: this list? Well, the only interception in that game was 317 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: an exceptional play from Cushing. He had a bad half. 318 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: You could go through all these guys and they all 319 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: had a bad half, and other than that, except from 320 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Rogers had an uneven game against Cincinnati too. 321 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: I did think about that. They've all had mild ups 322 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: and downs. But other than that, I think Philip Rivers 323 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: played five of the best halfs that you'll ever see. 324 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: The game against the Titans, I couldn't believe when I watched. 325 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he was just so accurate. He really didn't 326 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: have a bad throw the whole game. It was infuriating 327 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: that they ran the ball like crazy at the end. 328 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: They ended up running the ball more than they threw. 329 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: That's the only reason they lost. And he fits fitting 330 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: balls into pretty tight windows. I just don't think you 331 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: can play too much better than he's played so far. 332 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: I admire the purity of your list that you would 333 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: actually put Philip Rivers over Drew Brees just based on 334 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: what's happened this year and totally wash out what's happened 335 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: in the past that well, And I think that's people 336 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: are gonna look at this. They're gonna bounce as soon 337 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: as they see Rivers ranked three at anything. But you 338 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: you you made it basically on what you've seen from 339 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: the start of the season. I set it up. I 340 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: set it up. I watched the Titans Chargers game yesterday 341 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: and he is a completely different dude than he was 342 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: the last two years. And for me, just as a 343 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: like from an angle of a guy that was so 344 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: trashed over the last two seasons. He's never He's always 345 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: been a tough quarterback. He's never been a guy that's 346 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: made excuses. I like to see him return to form 347 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: to some degree, and I don't think it's a sham. 348 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: I think he's well coached the season. It was a 349 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: ranking of who i'd want the rest of the season 350 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: or prediction of how it all. Will he stay at 351 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: this level? I don't know that'll be That'll be pretty tough. 352 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: The list would look pretty different, but I knew this 353 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: would maybe get some criticism, so I did I do 354 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: check kind of the advanced metrics sites after I put 355 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: it together. You know, ESPN, s QB, R, Football Outsiders, 356 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, they all had Rivers number two actually 357 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: in the league courting of the their metrics, and usually 358 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: there's a huge disparity. So it was interesting in the 359 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: all ad Manning one Rivers too. He's been great. What 360 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: quarterbacks have surprised you guys the most this year? I 361 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: want to say, you have this guy listed in your 362 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: same level. If it wasn't for one play at the 363 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: end of Week one and basically one play at the 364 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: end of what week three, Matt Ryan would be behind 365 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning on everyone's m v P list, and it's 366 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: amazing considering he's doing it basically with only Julio Jones. 367 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: His offensive line is much worse this year. Roddy Whites 368 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: had the high ankle sprain. Gonzalez has basically disappeared. Whether 369 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: it's because he's a step slower or is because he's 370 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: staying in the block too much to help out on 371 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: the line, I'm not sure. But Ryan is doing this 372 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: on his own in his metch his stats are the 373 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: exact same as last year when he had all of 374 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: that going for him. I think he just deserves a 375 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: little bit of praise there for how well he's playing. 376 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: That's why you can't look at one one loss. I mean, 377 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: I think he's played better than he did a year ago, 378 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: and there one and two while the team around on 379 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: him is crumbling, he's being asked to do more. I 380 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: think for me, you know, not all surprises are good 381 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: and uh for me, Cam Newton, I just uh, I'm 382 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: not quite sure. I'm starting to question what the future 383 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: of Cam Newton and Carolina is. To some degree, I 384 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: understand and I think that I think from the outside it's, oh, 385 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: you're right. He played his best game, but Carolina scrapped 386 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: everything they planned to do with him over the off 387 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: season and went back to what he was last year, 388 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: which was a running quarterback. And I think the concern, 389 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: based on you know, what Gutelman said in the off 390 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: season a little bit, is we don't want to running quarterback. 391 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: We want to find out if Cam Newton, like the 392 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: rest of your pure drop pack quarterbacks, can be that guy. 393 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: And and I could see he's one of the most 394 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: skilled athletic quarterbacks in all of football and in ages. 395 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: But when they've asked him like they did in the 396 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, just just to make those throws, 397 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: having watched all three Panthers game, he can't do it. 398 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: I I still think the Panthers don't have a Cam 399 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: Newton problem. They I think they have a Ron Rivera 400 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: problem and be a personnel problem. And I think he's 401 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: gonna if they stink again this year, he's gonna get barried. 402 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: Newton and he'll still be with the team next year, 403 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: but it will be you know, the referendum will be 404 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: out that this could be the end for Newton. Carolina 405 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: next year. Um, but I still think that's unfair. I mean, 406 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a real team around him. I think, 407 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's good. It's good what we're seeing from 408 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: D'Angelo Williams at running back, and you know he should 409 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: be getting the ball more. That helps out offense. But 410 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, he was able to complete passes Newton against 411 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: the Giants team that is in utter chaos right now, 412 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: but he's still throwing to a bunch of Arena Football 413 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: League players. I have no issue with the idea. Of 414 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: course he's can be there next year, but in terms 415 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: of building a team around a guy for the next 416 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: six seven years, he is not a complete quarterback in 417 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: terms of his passing game. From what I've seen, I 418 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: just don't think he is. But it's hard to find 419 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: a quarterback. It's hard he had a quarterback, and even 420 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: at this level that he's at, which is a little 421 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: up and down, he's better than half the league. I'm 422 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: just saying he surprises me because I wanted to see more. 423 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: At this stage. What we'll be telling is who is 424 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: his who they bring in as his next offensive coach? 425 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: Because I agree with you, we're already fired. Mike seula 426 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: I think, well, to Dan's point, Newton's gonna be there 427 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: longer than this coaching staff, right, And to your point, 428 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: Gettleman comes from the Ernie of Corsi school, the classical 429 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: prototype drop back quarterback, not this new school where and 430 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: just reading the tea leaves, I think you're right. They 431 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: don't want Cam Newton running that much. They don't want 432 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: they don't want to rely on the run option. Well, 433 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: you know what's crazy? In that game they won thirty 434 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: eight nothing. He missed six or seven throws by ten yards, 435 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: and he did that in week two, and he did 436 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: that in week one. It happens. I mean, he's not 437 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: an accurate quarterback. I don't know if that's something you 438 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: can He's a lot like Josh Freeman. But when he 439 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: throws it pretty, it's pretty. Um. One thing, guy, I 440 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: want to bring up about the quarter All right, let 441 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: me lay something out for you fellas, and maybe we 442 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: can go around and you can each give me your opinion. 443 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: If you had to pick between this list of quarterbacks, 444 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: who would you have as your quarterback? Terrell prior Geno Smith, 445 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: E j Manuel. You have three weeks of game tape 446 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: tape to look at uh for each of them. This 447 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: is for forever or for this week? Uh, for the 448 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: balance of the two thousand season. No, forever. Give me EJ. 449 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: Manuel why. I think he's the best all around player 450 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: in that group. I think he's coached the best. We 451 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: get their coaching staff to. No, it's your own coaching 452 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: staff and you are the brainchild behind it. Mark can 453 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: be your GM. He's really good at picking the player. 454 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: He's making the leap, he's on fire. All these guys 455 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: have been fantastic. But I guess West is making the 456 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: major decision that I would make as a front office guy. 457 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: So all right, e J. Annual. The two most physically 458 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: gifted of those three are EJ. Manual and Thrill Prior. 459 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: Manual is a better passer than Prior. He doesn't have 460 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: as much fundamentals to work on his Prior, so I'll 461 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: take him Mark. It's an interesting trio, for sure, it is. 462 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: That's why I brought it up, Thank you, D. I 463 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: would go Manual as well. If I'm going to center 464 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: an organization around one of those three guys, e J. 465 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: I will let me just say this before we get 466 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: to Greg. Is Manual have that great game in Week 467 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: two or the game winning drive. The Jets defense, which 468 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: we know is actually pretty good, gave him the yips. 469 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: He he was not He never got comfortable and he 470 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: made a lot of bad passes and he took eight sacks. 471 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: So I just I just want to throw that. Well, 472 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: he's faced. I think New England is an underrated defense. 473 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: He then played Caroline and the Jets, two of the 474 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: better front sevens and football, so you're right, he's had 475 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: a tough out of the gate situation in terms of 476 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: who he's played. Well after a couple of games, that's tough. 477 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: I would take EJ. Manuel too, because I liked him 478 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: better coming out than you know Smith, and there's nothing 479 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: that would change my mind. Tarrell Prior is exciting, and 480 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: I think he can be better than we ever imagine. 481 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: I think he already is. I mean I was thinking 482 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: that watching the other night man. I never thought Tarrell 483 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: Prior to be starting Monday night football games and looking 484 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: halfway decent, and he's doing it. I mean, he's exciting. 485 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: But I think Manuel has more going for him than 486 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: Gino Smith at least. I think that can make up special. 487 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: What about uh, come on, we know, yeah, I'm gonna 488 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: you know what I'm a little excited about Geno Smith 489 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, maybe it's because of my leanings as 490 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: a fan, but he's gonna make mistakes. We knew this. 491 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: I still think they brought him on too early. I 492 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: thought he should have been should have been eased into 493 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: the mix. But the guy can make some throws and 494 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: and that in that game to beat the Bills. Um, 495 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: that was a throw, the throw that won the game. 496 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: Everything was falling apart. They were up twenty six and 497 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: the Jets they commit twenty penalties in the game. There 498 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: it's now game. Smith hangs in the pocket and delivers 499 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: a perfect strike to Santonio Holmes to win that game. 500 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: Earlier in the game, there was even a better pass 501 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: where he pressure right in his face, took a nasty 502 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: shot and put one right on the money to Stephen Hill, 503 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: who miraculously caught the ball and read it in for 504 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: another long touchdown. The guy's got a much better arm 505 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: the Jets fans are accustomed to with Sanchez, and uh, 506 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: he hangs in the pocket and if he can just 507 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: get over some of these other typical rookie issues such 508 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: as awareness issues and uh, you know, throwing the ball 509 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: when he shouldn't. He has a chance. He has a 510 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: chance here. I'm I'm surprised a little bit that he's 511 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: looked as good as he has through three weeks, which 512 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: hasn't been great admittedly, but he's shown things. I don't 513 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: want to kill the child in the man here, but 514 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: every fan of every team, every fan of every team 515 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: with a young quarterback who flashes on occasion, says the 516 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: exact same thing. Look at this one throw he made. 517 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: I said, to alright, have to be I don't think 518 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: Texans fans were ever that excited about match shop Oh 519 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: Bill's bills always seems did this with j P Lassmen, 520 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: Redskins fans, did it with Patrick Ramsey. Well, this is 521 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: present with Josh Freeman, isn't Freeman? Example Sean King? And 522 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: now you've brought up all three two lane starting quarterbacks 523 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: that Dane. There was also once a time, once upon 524 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: a time last fall, where Seahawks fans got excited about 525 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson Touche. Listen from a Jets fan perspective, I 526 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: think Gino Smith has brought so much more life to 527 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: that offense than what they had under Stanchez. And it's 528 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: not a to pick Manual's not a knock on Gino, 529 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: because you know, there's it maybe not a coincidence that 530 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: some of the wide receivers are starting to play better. 531 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: They got a quarterback that isn't scared to push the 532 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: ball downfield and get it to him, and and the 533 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: Jets that have done everything you could do wrong and 534 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: handling a quarterback situation over the last couple of years, 535 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: I think they might have got this right, gotten this 536 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: right ultimately, because you know, you have a guy that 537 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to build around and he's making place. We'll 538 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: be with you when that probably doesn't happen. We'll be 539 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: with you, I know, just I'll be there to light 540 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: the tires on fire. Listen. We're ready for this. Jets 541 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: fans are always ready for the other year. Can we 542 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: talk about one more quarterback before we move? So r 543 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: G three? You know, I think I feel like Redskins fans. 544 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: After the first week and even after the second week, 545 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: there came a point where where there was this desperation 546 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: cry of are we ever going to see the guy 547 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: we saw last year? I guess he ruined for good. 548 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: He's not passing well, he's passing off the wrong foot, 549 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: he's not moving well. I think this week. For the 550 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: first time in Week three, when I watched him, I thought, Okay, 551 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: he's coming back. He's on his way back. He made 552 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: major strides. He's not who he was. I'm not sure 553 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: he has that athletic arrogance yet where he thinks he 554 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: can get out of the pocket. That slide he did 555 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: with two feet with embarrassing. There are some rough edges 556 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: to him still, but I feel like within a month 557 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: or two we're going to see the the RG three 558 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: we saw last year. There was a play against the 559 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: Lions where he basically there's nothing downfield and he just 560 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: had to put that ball in a run. He basically 561 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: ran out of bounds, caught a couple of yards. He 562 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: looked comfortable for the first time I've seen him. Just 563 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: have to make a decision, react quickly. And I think 564 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: part of it is you haven't played, you have no preseason. 565 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: It's reaction time, it's decision making. He does. He did 566 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: look improved to me too. Well. It's funny. All week 567 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: all we heard is are they gonna run more? They're 568 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: gonna run more read option pistol, and they did a 569 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: ton and it was pretty effective. And they threw the 570 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: ball down the field, which they hadn't really done in 571 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks. I agree. I think he's 572 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: steadily gotten better. The Week two game he made some 573 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: throws too, And after watching that game, I think you 574 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: have to feel pretty good that he's going to be 575 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: close to where he was soon. And if you're a 576 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: depressed Redskins fan, I guess one thing you could perhaps 577 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: take out of these first three weeks is that expectations 578 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: are now maybe properly calibrated, where you have this guy 579 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: coming off a major surgery and it's not gonna happen instantly, 580 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: and now you you know, you can now go into 581 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the season understanding that it's not gonna 582 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: be like last year. It's gonna take some time. That's 583 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: all I can give you Redskins spins. Yeah, but I 584 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: don't know about the expectations for this team being properly calibrated. 585 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: I think Redskins fans, including some downstairs, had convinced themselves 586 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: this was a good team. I don't think it was 587 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: ever that good a team. I think it was just 588 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: r G three, a good scheme and Alfred Morris and 589 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: that's about it. And now that's being exposed. Okay, so 590 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: let's move on to week four. How about that we're 591 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: already in week four. Now it's kind of weird. You're 592 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: gonna be an old man soon. Prediction next week Week five? Wow, 593 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: let's not get ahead of the Week four kicks off 594 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: on Thursday night the suddenly struggling San Francisco for the 595 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: diners heading to St. Louis. I believe West, cause I 596 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: know you love this. I believe it is the Edward 597 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: James Dome to take on the Rams. Uh. This is 598 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: obviously a a pretty interesting game of NFC West teams 599 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: both needing to win pretty bad. What do you guys 600 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: think about this? I would just like to say, Edward 601 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: James is a human being, or was a human being. 602 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure who he is. But the stadium was 603 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: named after him a reason, for a reason. He didn't 604 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: have to purchase it, So I care about that. Well, 605 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: actually it actually it's Edward Jones. Edward Jones is like 606 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: and I think that is a corporation's financial It's like 607 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: it's a four oh one k outfide. He probably he 608 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: could probably Edward. If we don't like you, can we 609 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: call it the Edward or Murrow Doom we cannot, unfortunately 610 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: without facing litigation. Here are two other young quarterbacks. We're 611 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: talking about the quarterbacks struggling. What what do we think 612 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: of Kaepernick's struggles the last couple of weeks? Well, you 613 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: wrote about this. Let me flip the question back to you. 614 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: What's wrong with the San Francisco I know what I think. 615 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't care about that. Um well, I think they 616 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: can't get open against man coverage, so that's a problem. 617 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: They're stack in the box. They still ran the ball 618 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: okay last week. Their teams are they're not using the 619 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: read option much, but when they do, they're defending it 620 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: much better. One thing I noticed. You know, if if 621 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: r G three was caught like Kaepernick was on runs, 622 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: people would be saying, oh, he doesn't look good. I 623 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: mean there are some good angles taken, and the Colts 624 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: defenders really stopping Kaepernick and reading the plays very well. 625 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: He's missed more throws than we're used to. You know, 626 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot that's wrong with this team right now. 627 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: They're they're missing their best players. The defense isn't really 628 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: that big a difference maker anymore. Don't you think that 629 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: the league as a whole is defending the read option 630 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: much better. Yeah, yes, I do. You see a lot 631 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: of the linebackers kind of coming in behind. They let 632 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: the defensive end crashed down and then the linebacker comes 633 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: and stops it. It hasn't been that big a factor 634 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: this season. I agree. Well, there was actually a play 635 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: that Patrick showed me where uh it was the Panthers 636 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: Giants where they rolled out essentially like a triple option 637 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: and JPP and remember that Giants Redskins game from a 638 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: year ago where the Giants on national television were just 639 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: embarrassed against read option coming out of the pistol and stuff. 640 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: They actually defended. JPP defended this play perfectly. He he 641 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: reacted quickly, looked at the runner, he looked at the passer, 642 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: made a good decision. Carolina still had some success, but 643 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: it was like a completely different situation on defense. They've 644 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: obviously they've caught up to some degree. And may I 645 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: remind you guys of we were talking about the Thursday 646 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: night game. Yes, may I remind you guys of this 647 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: SoundBite Kenya Heck, yeah, you can't San Francisco four today. 648 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: We can do whatever we want. That was on August 649 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: that Harbor said that I remember, I believe it was 650 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: me that said pride comes before the fall. And I'll 651 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: tell you what, there are some signs here that this 652 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: season could come apart. It's all out there now. You 653 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: have injuries all over the rosters, Greg wrote in his post, 654 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: and not only injuries, but injuries the star players. You 655 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: have possible dissension. Frank Gore denied it, but they were. 656 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: He had some words for hardball. You have these losses, 657 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: you have Kaepernick not playing well. Hold on, could happen? 658 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: Pride comes before the fall? All right? Last year? What 659 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots were one and two went on to the 660 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: championship game. The Broncos. I think we're two and three 661 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: before they rattled off the rest of their wins. You know, 662 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: it's it's week four game. Would you argue that if 663 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: they go to one in three in the division, this 664 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: is a must win game for them, because if they 665 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: go one one in three and you've got Seattle taking off, 666 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: that's ugly. But I do think they're going to take 667 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: care of business. I have a feeling, that's all you're 668 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: allowed to have feelings. Things fall apart. The center cannot hold. 669 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: They have given up more rushing yards in consecutive games 670 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: than any Niners team since Dennis Ericsson was the coach 671 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: of an ugly, ugly two and fourteen squad which had 672 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: the worst offense of my lifetime. Uh and you know 673 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: I did. The defense isn't really doing that well. The 674 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: Rams don't have kind of a rushing game to stop them. 675 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: We expected this Rams defense to be good, but it 676 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: really hasn't been. I mean, Courtland Finnigan's getting burned. I 677 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: don't know what's happened to him in that secondary? Do 678 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: we do? We like the forty Niners to bounce back. 679 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the Rams gave them a lot of trouble 680 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: last year. They beat him and they item. The only 681 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: thing that Rams defense is doing well right now is 682 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: rushing the passer. They are getting fried in the secondary 683 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: and DeMarco Murray was running through huge holes last week 684 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: and it was it was weird like the Rams defensive 685 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: line wasn't getting blown off the ball. They just couldn't 686 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: get off blocks. That will be one thing to watch also, 687 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: is you know you had the frank or he only 688 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: had He only had twelveth carries I believe last week, 689 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: So you know, San Francisco was gonna want to get 690 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: him the ball early and often. And the Rams who 691 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: got destroyed by DeMarco last week, we'll see how they 692 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: bounced back. I think that will be a major factor 693 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: in this game. I think you could also see in 694 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: that game, DeMarco Murray's holes were huge because they were 695 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: so worried about Dez Bryant, Right, And you're not worried 696 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: about anyone. You're not worried about an Kin Bolden. You're 697 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: certainly not worried about Kyle Williams. Is Their number two 698 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: receiver is eighty seven yards. Their number three wide receiver 699 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: on the year in terms of production is Marlon Moore 700 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: with one catch in six yards. You know, the Niners 701 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: have had to play Green Bay in Seattle, possibly in 702 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: NF the title game situation right there, and a Cults 703 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: team that frankly showed up and and played a much 704 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: more physical football than we would have thought they would 705 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: and is also potentially a playoff team. Tough schedule of 706 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: the game. What I'm disappointed in on the ramp side 707 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: is I think we we were sold this message that 708 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: this offense is gonna be laden with so many weapons. 709 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: We're gonna put all these guys in space and no 710 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: one's gonna know what to do. It's really depressing watching 711 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: what's happened with this group of wide receivers. Uh Tavon 712 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: Austin number one, I'll start right there. They seem they 713 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: seem to have no idea how to get him open 714 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: downfield beyond five or six yards. You know, he's a 715 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: return guy at this point that is going to get 716 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: you about thirty yards a game from the slot. I'm wondering, 717 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: is this a game that will change that? I just 718 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: I just kind of stopped waiting in Brian Schottenheimer where 719 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: you know that I don't, but I think honestly he is. 720 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: You talk about when what teams are gonna need to 721 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: reassess who's run in their offenses. Schottenheimer is working himself 722 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: into a bad corner here. Well, let me ask you this. 723 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: Are they also going to have to reassess Sam Bradford, 724 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: who just hasn't gotten any better since his rookie year. 725 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 1: I think he's right in the middle of it. He's 726 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: not a difference maker at quarterback. He checked down the 727 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: whole game last week. I remember I was doing a 728 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: radio thing in St. Louis this summer and there the 729 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: big storyline there, it's it's the make or break gear 730 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: for Sam Bradford. My answer was, I don't think it is, 731 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: because the most likely scenario is he's just kind of 732 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: a little better than last year. And then what do 733 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: you do because you kind of you don't really have 734 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: a top tier quarterback. You just have a guy that 735 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: that you think should be the number one quarterback but 736 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: doesn't really look like a number one court Why don't we, yeah, 737 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: why don't we open this up a little bit? Why 738 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: don't we get the ball to Chris Gibbons downfield? Why 739 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: don't we design some plays to get this explosive Tavon 740 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: Austin going there should be there, They should be able 741 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: to be making plays. Cook, you have Jared Cook there chown. 742 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: We're giving a lot of credit to them for Jared 743 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: Cook's week one and then he disappeared the last couple 744 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: of weeks. I would say this, if you have Game 745 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: rewind real quick and you had that search function, go 746 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: look at their game from last weekends the Cowboys type 747 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 1: in t Period Austin and look at his receptions and 748 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: and not what he did after the catch, because the 749 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: Cowboys were all over him. Look at the routes he 750 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: ran and look what Bradford did with it. That's the 751 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: problem with their offense, not just with Austin, but what 752 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: we're doing with all their supposed weapons are not being 753 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: used correctly. Not to get too hung up on Austin, 754 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: one thing I will say is, you know we were 755 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: told we were sold anyway that Austin was get the 756 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: ball in his hands and everything else is you know, 757 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: taking care of there. You know, he had six catches 758 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: this past Sunday and he averaged five yards at reception, 759 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: so you know, maybe he's not where Guys like Austin 760 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of guys like this in 761 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: the NFL, Chris Johnson, you have to get them the 762 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: ball in space because they have no power whatsoever. They're 763 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: not gonna run anybody over. You have to create manufacture 764 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: the space for them to thrive in. He's catching the 765 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: ball and the tackler is already there. So that's why 766 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a couple of plays they threw 767 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: it to him behind the line of scrimmage and the 768 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: tacklers just there. There's not there's not much you can do. Okay, 769 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: why don't we go around and pick this game and 770 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: then get out of here. Greg, who do you got? 771 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: I am taking the Niners on the road. Didn't beat 772 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: the Rams last year, but I just still believe in 773 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: this team enough that they're not going to go to 774 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 1: one in three. I picked the Rams as a wild 775 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: card team, and I'm starting to wonder if that was 776 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: an ill choice. I'm going Niners. I picked the forty 777 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: Niners because I don't like anything I've seen from the 778 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: Rams in the last two weeks. They've been down twenty 779 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: four and nothing two weeks in a row, and I'm 780 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm the kind of guy who falls for it when 781 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: r When Harbow says I'm looking forward to taking on 782 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: adversity and whipping it, I will take the Rams. I 783 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: think that this is a short week, they're at home, 784 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: They're catching the Niners at a great time. I just 785 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: have a feeling about this, and I also hopefully Patrick 786 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: doesn't agree because this would be a potential hero pick 787 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: for me, which I have to so far this season, 788 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: which is almost my total from last season. So I'm 789 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna I'm gonna say that winners will 790 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: continue to struggle um and the Rams will take it. Hey, 791 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: when you got Isaiah Pte running the ball? Why not? 792 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: The sun is shining? Um all right, everybody? So that 793 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: is That is it for today's podcast. We'll be back 794 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: on Friday. We will go over all of the week. 795 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: Four picks. Um? What else? Oh, we have a special guest. 796 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: Should we say who it is? People know? Okay, it's 797 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: a special guest and it's gonna from another country, from 798 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: another hemisphere. Bro, Wait, is that true? True story? It's 799 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: not a different hemisphere. What do you mean? It's the 800 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: same hemisphere. That's the Western hemisphere. It is a different country. 801 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: Though Dan just had his like Dan Quail moment. That's great. 802 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: I would say take it out, but I deserve punish, 803 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: all right, whatevery guys. You guys are so smart. Jerk's 804 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: um all right, So we yeah, we will have someone 805 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: in the same hemisphere as us, but it's a different 806 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: time zone. That is correct. Um, okay, until until then, 807 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: signing off for the Mailman, the Sizzler, the Boss, Cambridge 808 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: behind the glass, and Lyle the intern. We will see 809 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,919 Speaker 1: you on Frontly. I want to be able to live 810 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: and also want to be able to eat it. We 811 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: can work and eat pants. Get Gregg's wife involved. Let's 812 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: make a little three course meal. We'll haven't marinated. Mal, 813 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm actually pulling for the Raiders. I feel like your 814 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: wife could do Wonders with the really broil. Boil the 815 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: zipper a lot, because that's gonna be tough to z