1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Tracy, we talked about 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: eponymous foods this week. What a fun one to research. 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: They're not always fun, so this one was like a 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. Although I feel a little bit 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: like I was playing a culinary version of two truths 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: and a lie because I love two of these items, 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: and I bet I think the third Smith Apple they 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't like tart and bitter things at all, so 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: that's what it is. I also have um. I mentioned 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: at the top of the episode this strange thing that 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: my my relation to Grannie Smith Apple's was very confused 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: for a long time because I knew that that was 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: the name of a food. And at one point when 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: we lived in the Pacific Northwest and I was still 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: quite a small kid, we had this tree that grew 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: over our driveway and my mom would just reach out 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: and pick apples off of this apple tree as she 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: drove down the driveway and just eat them while she drove. 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: She kept a shaker of salt in the car. She 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: liked to salt her apples. She would just eat these apples, 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: and she called them Granny Smith apples. They were not 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: Granny Smith apples. They were crab apples, um, which to 25 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: me they were very bitter and gross. Um. But she 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: loved them, and so I remember when I first was 27 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: actually exposed to a Granny Smith apple, I was like, 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: what is this kind of some kind of a radiated 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: magic version, like it's huge? What is this? Um? No, 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: that's a Granny Smith apple, you fool? And I was 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: just I had been very confused by misinformation in my child. 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: We had um, I think three apple trees that were 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: situated at the end of the plot where we grew 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: all of our vegetables. And I have no idea what 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: variety of apples these were, but I honestly don't remember 36 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: any of them ever producing what seems like an edible apple. Um. 37 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: They were very hard and very small and like it's 38 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 1: I have no I have no idea what the thought 39 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: process was in planting them, and whether they were intended 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: to be like eating apples that just never produced well, 41 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: or if they were intended to be like crab apples 42 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: that we would use for some other purpose. Total mystery. 43 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: My other big memory is that as a child, I 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: in my memory there were exactly two types of apples 45 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: available at the grocery store, and they were Red Delicious 46 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: and Granny Smith. And those were your apple choices. That 47 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: was it. You have red ones or green ones. And 48 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: so as I got more into my adulthood and learned 49 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: there were all these other kinds of apples also that 50 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: are now more widely available in grocery stores and now 51 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: at our farmer's market in the fall, here'll be like 52 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: here seventeen different types of apples. It's it's very exciting 53 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: to me. Well, and some of that is because the 54 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: field of apples has expanded right as people have cultivated 55 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: them and crossed some apples with other kinds. There are 56 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: a lot more apples, um, and apple varieties than they 57 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: there were when we were kids. There are certainly some 58 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: more naturally occurring ones that exist that are just not 59 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: mass produced, so we there's a whole wealth of them 60 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: that we just haven't encountered yet. Probably. But um, yeah, 61 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: I similarly was like red apples or green or yellow apples, 62 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: those are the options, um, And I just knew that 63 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: the green ones were always tart, and I didn't want 64 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: any pant um. I am also not big a fan 65 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: of apple pie. Oh yeah, I don't have anything against it. 66 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm not like that apple pie, but like in the 67 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: realm of pies, it's one of the I'm not a 68 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: big fruit pie person in general. I like something more custody, 69 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: like a pie or a sweet potato pie or you know, 70 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: any of those that have that kind of texture. Like yes, um, 71 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: fruit pies less so, even though they're often so spectacularly beautiful. 72 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: How do you feel about like the fruit tarts that 73 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: have like a custard base with the fruit on top. 74 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: Those are okay? And I did It was through um, 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: you know French food that I started to like, like 76 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the smaller little tarts and like a pear tart forget it. 77 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: I love those things. Um. That often though has to 78 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: do with like spectacularly buttery crust. Oh yeah, I'm here 79 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: for the bread component, but I will eat the fruit. 80 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: That's fine. Um. I can imagine listeners who have a 81 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: long familiarity with our show wondering whether they and expect 82 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Nellie Melba to be an upcoming Saturday classic, because she 83 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: is the namesake of Melba Toast, which we talk about 84 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: in that episode she inspired Augusta Scoffier to make a 85 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: couple of different things. Yeah. So if you're thinking, hey, 86 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: is that what's going to come out, the answer is 87 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: sadly no, because there is a window of time back 88 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: in the history of our show where, for unclear mysterious reasons, 89 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: the high quality sound file of the recording never got 90 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: in the archive, and that's one of them. And we 91 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: have re released a few episodes where we've only had 92 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: a lower quality version, but it's it's not something that 93 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: we try to do often because it's just sounds a 94 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 1: lot different from what the show sounds like now. Yeah, 95 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: and in the case of Dame Nelly Melbour, that was 96 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: two episodes, so that would be committing to two episodes 97 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: that don't sound great on Saturday's. Um. So yeah, I'm 98 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: just not as ideal. Uh. There are lots of foods 99 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: named for people, So, like I said, this could be 100 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: an ongoing fun thing that we do periodically. Um. There 101 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: was also another detail that I wanted to mention. It 102 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: was not really germane enough to anything for me to 103 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: include it in the episode, and that is that one 104 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: of the accounts that Ignacio gave of that first creation 105 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: of nachos. He mentioned that the women that came to 106 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: hang out and and eat and asked for a snack, 107 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: we're drinking Chicos. And I was like, and I was 108 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: reading this on like a newspaper archive things, so I'm like, 109 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: is does that really say Chico? Does it say something else? 110 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: What is a Chico? I did not know about this drink. 111 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: I'm certainly gonna make one. Um, it's tequila and BlackBerry 112 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: liqueur was simple syrup and lemon juice in a little 113 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: club soda on top, and it sounds so delicious and 114 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: refreshing to me. Even though I'm not a big tequila person, 115 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm right with you on all of the things you 116 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: just said. Yeah, Um, I also think that would be 117 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: great if you subbed out another spirit for tequila. If 118 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: you don't like it, can make that a vodka be great. 119 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: Possibly jin also great. It that sounds like it would 120 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: be good with gin in it, honestly, especially some of 121 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: the gin's that have some more fruity notes in there. Yeah, 122 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: that BlackBerry liqueur is going to bring out some cool stuff. 123 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: But um, I just was like, what is a Chico? 124 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: How did I not know about this? So now I'm 125 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: all excited about that, and that's a different thing. I 126 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: don't know what that's named for at all. I only 127 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: found the recipe and it's also called sometimes a couple 128 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: of other things that include the word chico in it, 129 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: but that one got my attention. In her I also 130 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: ate about probably seven plates of nachos while researching this episode. Yeah, 131 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: you texted me a picture of not chows week I did. 132 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: I was like, um, Brian, we're going to the store 133 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: and we're getting nacho ingredients. It's like, okay, that was 134 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: a very hard sell. Not um. Yeah, and the night 135 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: nacho several times this weekend, uh the summer before last, 136 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: pre pandemic times, we had some family come and stay 137 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: with us for a weekend. Not it looks like a 138 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: long weekend. And this included eighteen niece. She had gotten 139 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: up in the morning and I was sort of telling 140 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: her what was available to eat, and one of the 141 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: things that I said was that we had the stuff 142 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: to make taco salad. The next thing I saw on 143 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: her Instagram was this plate that's with the caption that 144 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: said nachos for breakfast, And I was like, or that 145 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: you can make nachos instead of taco salad. Yes, nachos 146 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: almost make nachos. Yeah. I got into a discussion with 147 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: a friend of mine about the many, many things that 148 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: get piled on top of nachos something and whether or 149 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: not they still should be called nachos or not. But 150 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: I love them. I love them in all the experimental phases. 151 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: I had some very spectacular lobster nachos recently which were 152 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: like you would sell a beloved family member for them. 153 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: They're so good, they were so good. So uh. The 154 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: Cops salad is also my favorite salad, So this was 155 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: very self serving. Yeah, who doesn't love it? I mean, 156 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: you see them now, and they're made in a lot 157 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: of different ways. People like to switch out those ingredients. 158 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: You'll often get blue cheese instead of roquefort. You'll often 159 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: get turkey instead of chicken. I have seen in an 160 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: Italian version with like salami on it as the meat. Yeah, 161 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: so I like all the component parts that go in there. 162 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: I actually could not tell you whether I have actually 163 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: ordered one at a restaurant, like in my various salad 164 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: ordering days, I don't know. I couldn't tell you how 165 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: many times I've ordered those in a restaurant. I really 166 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: it's my go to. If you're at a restaurant and 167 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know this restaurant. I don't know 168 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: what's on the menu. I don't it's I will get 169 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: the Cops salad if it's there. Well, we can hope 170 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: that one day it will be safe for us to 171 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: resume doing live shows and you and I can go 172 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: out for our pre show dinner and we will get 173 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: some Cops salads. That is a deal. We're going to 174 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: do it. One of our episodes this week was about 175 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: Grace Humiston's also known as Mary Grace Quack and boss 176 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: depending god when in the timeline we were talking about 177 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: she used both of those names during her career. You 178 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: will also sometimes hear people say that quack in bush 179 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: um because in that family tree, Uh, there are folks 180 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: whose spelling has sort of evolved to be quack and 181 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: bush rather than quit can boss, which is sort of 182 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: an interesting thing to poke around at while researching this. Yeah. Yeah, 183 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: I mean we we kind of see that all the time, 184 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: right looking at family trees in history. And I know 185 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: that makes it tricky sometimes for people trying to trace 186 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: their own genealogy or their own family trees. But like 187 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: all other language, names evolve and sometimes in ways that 188 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: um make it a little bit tricky to connect the dots. 189 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, um. Well, and since that first book 190 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: about her that came out in is the only book 191 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: that is dedicated just to her, there's lots of the 192 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: room to poke around looking at stuff like old newspaper 193 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: articles and old magazine write ups and that kind of stuff. 194 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: And searching all of the different permutations of her name 195 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: was a process, um, because she did professionally use multiple 196 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: different versions of her name over time. UM. And so 197 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: I think guy had started out with Grace Hummiston's and 198 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: I struck out in a bunch of the places where 199 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: I normally would find old coverage of somebody, And it 200 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: was because like a lot of that that had been 201 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: covered in newspapers was from a little bit earlier. On 202 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: the Ruth Krueger case, though, was a huge story the 203 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: same way it continues to be a huge story when 204 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: like a young attractive white woman vanishes, especially um, which 205 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: was one of the things that like was a little 206 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: frustrating to me about that arc in the later part 207 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: of her career that was focused on the idea of 208 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: white slavery because some of the other stuff that she 209 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: had investigated really was a much bigger issue, like the 210 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: international trafficking of laborers was an enormous problem that far 211 00:12:53,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: overshadowed the supposed threat to white women by supposedly like 212 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: emigrants and black men and Jewish men who were theoretically 213 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: running these huge white slavery rings in the United States. Right. 214 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: That all continues to be true today, right in terms 215 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: of what people think of when you hear the word 216 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: trafficking and what is way more likely to be happening 217 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: when people are trafficked. Yes, I mean we've it comes 218 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: up all the time that you know if a uh 219 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: and this isn't. Here's the thing. It's tricky because you 220 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: don't want to act like anybody's disappearance is not important 221 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: because theoretically they have an entire family of people who 222 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: love them and are are desperate for information or to 223 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: get their person back. But we have watched this play 224 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: out over and over where if a young white girl 225 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: or white woman vanishes or something happens, it's news everywhere. 226 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, there are countless black women and 227 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: indigenous women and people of color who vanish and never 228 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: get news coverage, right, and it's kind of it's a 229 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: little bit I don't know about you. It gives me 230 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: that kind of deflating sigh of like, Yep, it's never 231 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: it's never changing. It's not it's not it's not a 232 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: new phenomenon at all. Yeah, the impression. So there's she 233 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: doesn't how there's like not a lot of personal writing 234 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: by her about her thought process behind things. But it 235 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: really does seem like, as she faced so much criticism 236 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: about her allegations against the army that she never really 237 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: backed up with any kind of support, that she slowly 238 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: withdrew from the public eye. And I think that's probably 239 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that, um, she did not become 240 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: as as widely known as various other detectives and investigators 241 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: who were living at the same time as she was, 242 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: because she just kind of like she kept going to court, 243 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: she kept working at her her law firm, but she 244 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: did not work on nearly the kind of high profile 245 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: cases after that as she had before. Right, Can we 246 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: talk about how much I love Julius Crone? Yeah, I 247 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: just I love him. I I feel like there's a 248 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: fun story there. There's probably not a ton about him, 249 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: but you know this idea that that he was just 250 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: so you know, got assigned to her as a translator, 251 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: and then was obviously so good and so committed to 252 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: doing this work that they ended up essentially in many 253 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: ways like partners. And I still love that he learned 254 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: how to fix bikes to keep his roots up because 255 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't want anybody to go away with an unfixed bike, 256 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: just because he's really there for Yeah, yeah, it one 257 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: of the It was in the book actually, because I 258 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: did read the book um as I was working on 259 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: this described him as kind of a like an unusual 260 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: persons who have been working as an investigator when he 261 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: was first assigned to work with Grace, like he just 262 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: had kind of a rougher personality than a lot of 263 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: the other people who were working in his same department, 264 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: and so it's it's, I don't know, it seems like 265 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: it turned out to be a generally great partnership between 266 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: two of them. With all of their investigations, I mean, 267 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: many of which really helps to either exonerate people who 268 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: have been wrongfully convicted or people who have been sinced 269 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: to death for things that had the actual facts been 270 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: known at the time of their first trial, probably would 271 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: not have resulted to the death penalty that last case, 272 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: uh where she suggested the exhumation and then really felt 273 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: like that that he was kind of railroaded after that point. Um, 274 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I think she I think that weighed on her afterward. Yeah, 275 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, um, you know the exhumation was 276 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: more damaging than helpful, And yeah, I can understand how 277 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: that might. Uh. You know, up to that point, it 278 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: seems like every every move she made would have bolstered 279 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: her confidence, but that one probably took it out by 280 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: a significant margin. Right. She's an interesting and complicated person. 281 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: But I'm glad I finally glad I finally did the episode. 282 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: So a lot of times when something happens and we 283 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: get a ton of requests for something, sometimes that seems 284 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: like that would be a weird time to do something, 285 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: like when another podcast has literally just covered them, I'm 286 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: usually not inclined to immediately also do it. Right, But 287 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: then we got that note from our colleague Christopher who 288 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: has I think he sent us one more thing that 289 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: I have saved in like, maybe do this at some point, 290 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: but it's one that I've had a harder time finding 291 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: information on. But I think that would make it like 292 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: three for three of things that Christopher has said you 293 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: should do this piece of smart cookie. He is uh 294 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: so happy, Happy Friday again. Whatever's on your plate over 295 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: the weekend. We hope it goes well. 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