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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, and it is time for another edition
Speaker 1: of mix Shots. Got a false start to start this one,
Speaker 1: but we got things corrected and we are ready to
Speaker 1: roll for the next hour here on this what is it?
Speaker 1: June fourth, ju twenty, Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Big News coming down this morning because things are
Speaker 1: starting to open up at the start in Frisco. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's been opened up a little for a little while now,
Speaker 1: but coaches can be back in the building starting tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And I would think Mickey's Bagnola that Mike McCarthy, if
Speaker 1: he's not already in Frisco, Texas, he is on a
Speaker 1: jet plane headed back here from Green Bay. And we
Speaker 1: don't have Mickey just yet, So Everson, I would say,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is on a jet plane headed to Frisco,
Speaker 1: Texas as we saw. Well, it's about time, man. I'm
Speaker 1: just like you. Bill I'm ready for the season to start.
Speaker 1: I'm ready for the offseason to really get get going
Speaker 1: right now, and right now with the Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: NFL trying to figure out how the season is going
Speaker 1: to get started this year, all kind of decisions are
Speaker 1: going to be made, and I think they're gonna be
Speaker 1: changing even up until the last minute of some of
Speaker 1: these events, because everything just seems to be changing all
Speaker 1: over the place in every sport. So I think there
Speaker 1: a lot of the sports are learning from each other
Speaker 1: and they're taking queues from each other, trying to figure
Speaker 1: out the best way to go through with a safe
Speaker 1: ball game and still be socially conscious. I guess yep,
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to get this offseason started for a change. Here.
Speaker 1: It's been a long wait to get to this point.
Speaker 1: And of course, the other news that came down earlier
Speaker 1: in the week is the fact that Cowboys will not
Speaker 1: have training camp in Oxnard, California. We'll see when training
Speaker 1: camp start, but ever since we would be right now,
Speaker 1: precisely forty eight days away from the start of training camp,
Speaker 1: assuming there is a Hall of Fame game, and so
Speaker 1: we're inching ever so close, and it's going to be
Speaker 1: very interesting over the course of the next days, if
Speaker 1: not weeks, what decisions are made as far as when
Speaker 1: this thing is getting started for sure, Well, if nothing else,
Speaker 1: you talk about training camp, that's gonna be a big change.
Speaker 1: I kind of wish I could have gone through that
Speaker 1: training camp. I never enjoyed leaving to go to Thousand Oaks.
Speaker 1: I never enjoyed leaving the city to go out to
Speaker 1: the rural areas and be on lockdown. I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a welcome change to me for the
Speaker 1: entire NFL. Let's just be real. This thing started, my god,
Speaker 1: forty fifty years ago. Sixty years ago, Vince Lombardi thought
Speaker 1: it'd be a good idea to take his team away
Speaker 1: from the family where they can really concentrate on being champions.
Speaker 1: And because they had the blueprint with all this with
Speaker 1: a couple of Super Bowls early on, everyone followed suit,
Speaker 1: and so to me, I think it's a good change
Speaker 1: to get back to me, it's unnecessary to travel. It
Speaker 1: really is being at home I think is more comfortable
Speaker 1: than being on the road and being away from your family.
Speaker 1: I would rather they do it like this all the time.
Speaker 1: To tell the truth and I'm pretty sure I'm in
Speaker 1: the minority in that regard. It would be interesting if
Speaker 1: changes are made in the future as far as the
Speaker 1: way the off season is conducted, depending or as a
Speaker 1: result of what's happened here over the last few a
Speaker 1: few months, and also as we go forward and what
Speaker 1: the schedule is going to be as far as this
Speaker 1: offseason program. Whenever the facilities are opened up for the players.
Speaker 1: It might not be until training camp before the players
Speaker 1: are allowed in there, but it may turn out to
Speaker 1: be a better schedule to have more time maybe on
Speaker 1: campus at their practice facilities in July before training camp starts,
Speaker 1: less time on campus earlier in the off season. We'll
Speaker 1: just see how it progresses and see what they gather
Speaker 1: from this, what trainspires over the next month or so,
Speaker 1: to see what happens, you know, I have to say,
Speaker 1: I'm always surprised that the NFL owners are willing to
Speaker 1: spend more money and go out to a training camp
Speaker 1: and get prepared for the preseason, then staying home and
Speaker 1: putting that money in their pockets. I always thought it
Speaker 1: was kind of an unnecessary expense and unnecessary process in
Speaker 1: regards to going to training camp. So I'm very surprised
Speaker 1: about it. If you recall, the cowboys were in Thousand
Speaker 1: Oaks first, and then when Jimmy and Jerry came they
Speaker 1: went to Austin, and they went Austin for a few years,
Speaker 1: and for some reason they decided to go back out
Speaker 1: to California and ended up being in ox Nord. So
Speaker 1: they obviously have some type of connection in the southern
Speaker 1: California area. But as far as I'm concerned, it's still
Speaker 1: money that could be spent somewhere else, as opposed to
Speaker 1: going all the way out to the West Coast, as
Speaker 1: opposed to staying here in your own facility, which is
Speaker 1: an amazing facility. To me, It's made for trainee camp
Speaker 1: to be here. They can go stay in the hotel
Speaker 1: which is right next to the Star, and do it
Speaker 1: in that manner. I'm just very surprised that they're willing
Speaker 1: to steal with I'm sure with much disregard, they wanted
Speaker 1: to still go out to Thousand go out to oxenhow
Speaker 1: as opposed to staying at home, And I still don't
Speaker 1: understand that. Tell you what, We're going to clear up
Speaker 1: a couple of technical glitches that we have on Ari
Speaker 1: end right now, how about we taking a little break here.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll established contact with Mickey and we got much
Speaker 1: to get to as mix shots continues in just a moment.
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Speaker 1: to mixed shots Mick Shots continues now as we've got
Speaker 1: much to get to. We're establishing contact with Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, it's Everson, Walls and meat. I'm sorry, buddies. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're You're just fine, evers as we talk about what's
Speaker 1: going on, and the big story around the league right
Speaker 1: now is the fact that coaches can go back into
Speaker 1: their facilities starting tomorrow. The commissioner sent a memo to
Speaker 1: the teams this morning and opening the door for the
Speaker 1: coaches the coaching staff to be there. There's still a
Speaker 1: limit the number of people who can be in the
Speaker 1: practice facility, which numbers at one hundred and so it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how the Cowboys handled that. But
Speaker 1: I would imagine, of course, the coaches Everson had been working.
Speaker 1: You know, they're established in their home offices doing everything
Speaker 1: right now. Unless they had some lead time on this,
Speaker 1: they're probably comfortable where they are right now, and they
Speaker 1: may not be back in the office exactly tomorrow, but
Speaker 1: the doors are at least open. They can be in
Speaker 1: the office tomorrow. Can you imagine what it's been like
Speaker 1: though for them and for the players throughout this the
Speaker 1: last six to eight weeks, you know, the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: able to start communicating with their players back on I
Speaker 1: believe it was April sixth, since they had a new
Speaker 1: coaching staff. So we're right that basically the two month
Speaker 1: mark of these zoom meetings or the WebEx meetings or
Speaker 1: whatever they're using to communicate with the players. And it's
Speaker 1: got to be just a strange thing trying to learn
Speaker 1: on the fly like this. Yeah, I have to give
Speaker 1: these guys a lot of credit in trying to push through.
Speaker 1: This has got to be one of the more unusual
Speaker 1: moments in sports history, no doubt about it. The good
Speaker 1: thing about the Cowboys is, first of all, they've got
Speaker 1: an owner that spares no expiss in regards to their
Speaker 1: comfort zone. So if you're gonna be confined to a facility,
Speaker 1: the Star is an amazing place to be confined. It's
Speaker 1: beautiful out there that the development out there is. It's
Speaker 1: still going strong, even though there's no one in the
Speaker 1: facility but them. You can't help but think about those
Speaker 1: that are in crappy facilities around the NFL, how they're
Speaker 1: feeling about being locked down, so to speak, in a
Speaker 1: particular facility. Cowboys don't have that problem. I've been there
Speaker 1: to the Star of an office at the start. It's
Speaker 1: an amazing place, very comfortable and airy. You gotta love it.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be locked down somewhere, that's the place
Speaker 1: to be. You know. You're alluded to the fact that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, of course early on when after Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: bought the team. Of course, the first year they had
Speaker 1: training camp in Thousand Oaks in nineteen eighty nine, and
Speaker 1: then they moved it to Austin starting in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Jimmy loved the heat of Austin. Uh And of course
Speaker 1: after Jimmy left, Barry Switzer the coach, and they were
Speaker 1: still in Austin. Then they moved to Wichita Falls and
Speaker 1: finally wound up in Oxnard, and then back and forth
Speaker 1: Oxnard in San Antonio over the last twenty years and
Speaker 1: really the last ten years in Oxnard. But when you
Speaker 1: talk about the Star, I mean the biggest thing about
Speaker 1: training camp in Texas is the heat, obviously, and it
Speaker 1: was just it was horribly hot and humid. In Austin,
Speaker 1: it was maybe it was a dry heat in Wichita Falls,
Speaker 1: but it was hell that what you call it is
Speaker 1: that what you called wiche Falls all did hell? Bill,
Speaker 1: I'm well, there's a there's a bike race in late
Speaker 1: August in Wichita Falls called the Hotter in Hell one hundred.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't just hell. It was hotter than hell
Speaker 1: in which let me let me say this. I was
Speaker 1: working with another TV station and I was a reporter
Speaker 1: in Thousand Oaks, I'm sorry, in Wichita Falls, and I
Speaker 1: drove up and I brought my bike with me, so
Speaker 1: I would go from the hotel to the site, to
Speaker 1: the practice site or my tent speed and it is
Speaker 1: hotter than hell out there. Okay, that's for real. I
Speaker 1: don't care what time of day it was. So let's
Speaker 1: think about this. You go from Dallas heat to Wichita
Speaker 1: Falls heat. Okay. If the facilities weren't all that great,
Speaker 1: there was nothing spectacular about it. I don't understand that
Speaker 1: move alone. I would have rather stayed home in regards
Speaker 1: to that, and not even worried about going to Wichita Falls,
Speaker 1: which I thought was just such a meaningless training camp site.
Speaker 1: You could have stayed home and suffered in nothing. Just
Speaker 1: you could have suffered enough from the heat that they
Speaker 1: had in Dallas that year as opposed to going to
Speaker 1: Whichta falls. But you know, heat is heat, and you're
Speaker 1: only driving. I think it was about a two two
Speaker 1: plus I will drive and you know you still feel
Speaker 1: the same way. So I just thought that was just
Speaker 1: so unnecessary. You know, we're having difficulty establishing a contact
Speaker 1: with Mickey. But if Mickey were on here right now,
Speaker 1: and maybe this is the real reason Mickey's not here
Speaker 1: right now, I think he is in mourning the fact
Speaker 1: that he's not able to go out to Oxnard, California
Speaker 1: for three weeks. You know, there is there's some great
Speaker 1: value going out to the great temperatures in august in
Speaker 1: at late July and August in Oxendard in California, and
Speaker 1: you were out in Thousand Oaks. It's a little warmer
Speaker 1: in Thousand Oaks than what it is in Oxnard in
Speaker 1: the summertime, but not much. And especially in your time
Speaker 1: there in Thousand Oaks, there was not much to do there.
Speaker 1: But even in Oxnard, the facility there at the residence end,
Speaker 1: it's secluded. Uh, there's there's really very little chance that
Speaker 1: the players can get out, of course, with even on
Speaker 1: their off days, you know they can they can go
Speaker 1: with a with a v they can go places or
Speaker 1: uber someplace, but really at the Star in Frisco, they've
Speaker 1: got everything that they need to have either an indoor
Speaker 1: training camp, which they have done after they've come back
Speaker 1: from Oxnard the last couple of weeks of camp the
Speaker 1: last few years, but also they can go outdoors if
Speaker 1: they want to. They got a grass field and a
Speaker 1: turf field there. But if they want to go with
Speaker 1: two grass fields, as I think Mickey pointed out on
Speaker 1: his mix Shots column this week on Dallas Cowboys dot Com,
Speaker 1: they could go right up the tollway to Frisco. There
Speaker 1: are some great soccer fields there that FC Dallas has.
Speaker 1: They got all the grass fields that they want up there.
Speaker 1: If they want to go out on the grass for
Speaker 1: a morning practice or whatever. And let's be real, they
Speaker 1: have access to that, Bill, They do have access to that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Frisco will be willing to give Jerry and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. They will afford them any pleasure that they want.
Speaker 1: That's funny that you brought up a thousand oaks and Oxnard.
Speaker 1: Let's be real, Bill, anything that's close to Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get there, all right. We're gonna find it
Speaker 1: as plays as players, we're gonna find the way to Frisco.
Speaker 1: I tell the story all the time, players sneaking out
Speaker 1: of the dorm in thousand those California, and we felt
Speaker 1: like wiley coyote, tiptoeing from bush to bush, trying to
Speaker 1: find cover to make sure that we weren't busted as
Speaker 1: we as we went out to our cars that were
Speaker 1: placed strategically off campus, and all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: we're the Magic Johnson Party. Okay, so now we're gonna
Speaker 1: find our way to to wherever the fun is. So
Speaker 1: as much as you like us being out in California,
Speaker 1: great weather, to me, that's what the temptation is, to
Speaker 1: bid to find a way to leave, and always worried
Speaker 1: about how we're gonna sneak out this particular weekend or whatever.
Speaker 1: And when you're at home and at the Star, you
Speaker 1: don't really have to worry about that. I think I
Speaker 1: think it's easier to monitor players in Dallas at the
Speaker 1: Star as opposed to trying to keep up with us
Speaker 1: as we sneak out and go to different spots in
Speaker 1: the LA area. Trust me, well, and even when when
Speaker 1: you compare back in the nineties when they were going
Speaker 1: to either Austin or Wichita Falls. There's a heck of
Speaker 1: all more to do to find in Austin, Texas than
Speaker 1: there is in't Wichita Falls. There's no doubt now Wichita Falls,
Speaker 1: that was a true prison. That was Antrue prison training
Speaker 1: camp right there. That that went even further back than
Speaker 1: than the Vince Lombardy training camps. To me, the facilities
Speaker 1: were pretty tough. Although it was plentiful for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the most ideal picturesque, picturesque a site as well.
Speaker 1: All right, it's time for our normal break here on
Speaker 1: mix shots. So let's go ahead and take our normal
Speaker 1: break and we will come back with more of mix shots.
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Speaker 1: back to Mick Shuts shots continues here and look you there,
Speaker 1: we got Mickey spag Millow joining his own show. Now
Speaker 1: I'm ready to shoot mill I'm thinking, I'm thinking you're
Speaker 1: ready to get back to the Star in Frisco enough
Speaker 1: of this home office stuff. Well yeah, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: maybe I didn't join the show because I was bemoaning
Speaker 1: the fact we're not going to Bard for training camp.
Speaker 1: So that's why I've got my last year training camp
Speaker 1: shirt right. Well, why it's an ode to the West
Speaker 1: coast and we're not going back there. And I am
Speaker 1: saying we're not going back there, But I certainly understand
Speaker 1: the reasons why no sense having any unnecessary travel uh
Speaker 1: these days, and I think the Cowboys have a better
Speaker 1: opportunity to control the environment themselves at the Star than
Speaker 1: trying to go on the road and control it somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I thought you were wearing that shirt, SPACs because it
Speaker 1: was the only one you had downstairs in your basement.
Speaker 1: This is classy from last year, by the way, so
Speaker 1: we wore him when we went to the Why you
Speaker 1: know the other thing about you know, you guys were
Speaker 1: talking about upside downside of braining camp at the Star.
Speaker 1: The downside is you only have one grass field, and
Speaker 1: if you're going to practice on the grass field, you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to do it in the horn. Although
Speaker 1: I did hear that Mike McCarthy didn't want to flip
Speaker 1: the practice schedule. He likes having the big practice in
Speaker 1: Padge in the morning and the walkthrough afterwards in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: opposite of what the Cowboys have been doing. So if
Speaker 1: that's the case, you know they can get on one
Speaker 1: grass field. Obviously they have the artificial turf. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: used to practice that way on Wednesdays and then moved
Speaker 1: inside on Thursday and Friday during the regular seasons, so
Speaker 1: you don't have you know, two grass fields to work
Speaker 1: on it. But technically they may not even be able
Speaker 1: to use FC Dallas because the membo from the league
Speaker 1: boys they can practice at their own facility, right Lundering.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you do everything and just say okay,
Speaker 1: but we're just going to use the the practice soccer
Speaker 1: fields over there, and you would and you would think
Speaker 1: that there are probably teams around the league that, yeah,
Speaker 1: instead of using their practice facility, there might be a
Speaker 1: high school down the street or something where they use
Speaker 1: their practice fields instead, something like that, or a or
Speaker 1: a college or something when you can you use the
Speaker 1: different practics field. I know we used Lows. We used
Speaker 1: Lows Field over there in Addison, and that was we
Speaker 1: never went inside the facility. We went straight from the
Speaker 1: bus to the field. So I really can't see that
Speaker 1: being a major issue in regards of regulations from the NFL.
Speaker 1: And along those lines, the Cowboys used to do that
Speaker 1: when they were at Valley Ranch and they would go
Speaker 1: over to the Carrollton High School football stadium and had
Speaker 1: OTAs and so forth over there, so they as far
Speaker 1: as OTAs go when the fields were too muddy, rain
Speaker 1: or whatever, they went over to I think at Standridge
Speaker 1: Stadium and practice and think about this a couple of
Speaker 1: years at least one for sure in San Antonio, I
Speaker 1: believe when Bill wanted to get out and remember remember
Speaker 1: the year and they tried to grow grass in the
Speaker 1: parking lot. Lasted for about ten minutes. As soon it
Speaker 1: was beautiful, right until two hundred and fifty pound guys
Speaker 1: got on the field. That grass ripped right up and
Speaker 1: they emmett went down and it was like that's it
Speaker 1: ground over. So they ended up getting bust over to
Speaker 1: a junior high field that was close to the Alamodome.
Speaker 1: It was about ten minutes away, and they would hold
Speaker 1: practices when they wanted to get out indoors because indoors
Speaker 1: in that great Alamo Dome, oh God had got depressing. Uh,
Speaker 1: And you got to wonder who came up with that idea,
Speaker 1: who was paid to Then somebody convinced them that we
Speaker 1: can grow a grass field in the parking lot. He
Speaker 1: grew us as field, but you can't play on that grids.
Speaker 1: It was pretty by the way, and so yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you got spoiled being uh you know, you were talking
Speaker 1: about being in thousand oaks and uh, you know, my
Speaker 1: my funny story. And I know you guys all whenever
Speaker 1: you were talking about you know how you were sequestered
Speaker 1: there and you guys tried to get out all the time. Well,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, that media dorm was right
Speaker 1: across from where the guard gate was when you pulled in,
Speaker 1: right right past Tom's dormitory, and so we could see
Speaker 1: who was coming and who was going. Right. Well, at night,
Speaker 1: there was a patio behind our dorm and it opened
Speaker 1: up to a field, and on the left of us
Speaker 1: was the women's softball field. And to the right, a
Speaker 1: ways away, probably about now fifty to one hundred yards,
Speaker 1: there was another dormitory with a parking lot. And we'd
Speaker 1: sit out there at night when we get done working
Speaker 1: and drinking a beer on a patio and it's pitch
Speaker 1: dark right and the moon's out, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we could see somebody running from where the softball
Speaker 1: field was to a waiting car. So the car would
Speaker 1: flash its life like hey, I'm ready. That some guy
Speaker 1: would go under the cross to get out to escape,
Speaker 1: and we sitting there going hey hey, we start screaming
Speaker 1: at him. The guys start running faster, the door would open,
Speaker 1: they would dive in and then take off so they
Speaker 1: could escape trading camp without past the garden date. That
Speaker 1: that was our blueprints bags. Okay, that's our the fault.
Speaker 1: We indoctrinated guys like Michael Irvin and all the younger
Speaker 1: guys were talking the game. So did you blame anyone?
Speaker 1: Blame us? Okay, I'll fall the sword the other. The
Speaker 1: other funny thing I used to see is when somebody
Speaker 1: had pulled in the garden date and one of the
Speaker 1: guys would come out right, he would come out with
Speaker 1: his Bible like he's going to Bible study, but he
Speaker 1: also had his toiletry. Kid, all those the days fast
Speaker 1: we were all politically in correct. Oh, how did we survive? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knew he could get into the coach Landry's good
Speaker 1: graces if he carries his Bible around. Hey, But then
Speaker 1: we should have monitored the practice habits after those nights
Speaker 1: out to just see how effective we were ineffective. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we were more ineffective than affective. Well you remember
Speaker 1: that that that that summer in Austin, Jimmy gave the
Speaker 1: guys a a night out and said, okay, no curfew,
Speaker 1: just feedback. We got a morning practice while they went
Speaker 1: out and tore it up right, and Jimmy found out
Speaker 1: about it right, so the next morning he practiced them
Speaker 1: till their tongues hang out. It was the hardest practice
Speaker 1: I ever seen. Guys were shooting on the sideline and
Speaker 1: got done. It's like, okay, Uh, anybody else the night
Speaker 1: off tonight, we'll see that. That to me, that should
Speaker 1: prove that you shouldn't have just a one night to
Speaker 1: go out and just tear up to town. You should
Speaker 1: give us scheduled nights that would tear up to town.
Speaker 1: That way will be more accustomed to. Uh, that's the
Speaker 1: late yourself, right. Well, then that's why the CBA is
Speaker 1: originalized it is now the CBA gives them scheduled nights off.
Speaker 1: You know, no, absolutely, and you know, and I mean, look,
Speaker 1: we've all had to be flexible. So you know, they'll
Speaker 1: they'll make it work. And the unfortunate thing is, though,
Speaker 1: if they're practicing outdoors at the Star, there's no room. Heck,
Speaker 1: there's hardly any room for the media to be there
Speaker 1: at the same time, let alone there wouldn't be any
Speaker 1: fans for sure. You would have to practice indoors, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they would let fans in
Speaker 1: it these days to watch practice. So that's a discussion
Speaker 1: for you know, down the road. Imagine if they're going
Speaker 1: to do it, it would probably be limited, limited amount
Speaker 1: of fans in the stand. So I can see that coming,
Speaker 1: just like they're trying to do it at some ball
Speaker 1: games or trying to do it at some events. I
Speaker 1: could see them being socially distant in the inside facility
Speaker 1: at the start. I could see that being a very
Speaker 1: realistic thing. Well, we have not heard from Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: through virtually the entire offseason. We were doing some research
Speaker 1: over at CBS eleven trying to figure out when was
Speaker 1: the last time we saw an interview from Dak even
Speaker 1: and I think it was maybe during Super Bowl week.
Speaker 1: Maybe he stalked since then, but for sure since the
Speaker 1: pandemic began on March eleventh, so nearly two months there.
Speaker 1: But he made a statement in a very big way
Speaker 1: yesterday with a post on Instagram about what's going on
Speaker 1: in our country right now as very well as stated
Speaker 1: not only a statement with his words, but with his
Speaker 1: actions too, as he's pledging one million dollars to the
Speaker 1: cause and police training and uh to try to eliminate
Speaker 1: systemic racism in our country, and just a beautiful move
Speaker 1: by Dak Prescott yesterday. I thought, guys, it was well
Speaker 1: thought out. And as I towed Everson when my stuff
Speaker 1: was working, we could speak the show start. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a very balanced response. Uh. You know, he
Speaker 1: talked about supporting the protesters, supporting the cause, but also
Speaker 1: supporting the police too. And you know, this has not
Speaker 1: been an easy off season for him, the fact that
Speaker 1: his brother passed away at thirty two years old. You
Speaker 1: know it was during the off season. Was it March February?
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty four Yeah, not in the draft,
Speaker 1: not that long ago, so uh, and then you know,
Speaker 1: having to handle the negotiations for a new contract. But
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he probably needed to say something, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was well said
Speaker 1: about kind of including everybody in the message, not just
Speaker 1: coming out against the police or anything like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he did a nice job of being very
Speaker 1: inclusive in his comments. I read the comments and I'm
Speaker 1: so glad he came out. I was just talking yesterday
Speaker 1: and I was wondering when he was going to make
Speaker 1: a statement because you know, this is something that you
Speaker 1: really just can't ignore. You can't just say, well, we're
Speaker 1: going to just be guys that throw the ball and
Speaker 1: just bounce the ball and shut up. And we've heard
Speaker 1: that before, and I think that's how we got into
Speaker 1: this position to where we try and separate ourselves even
Speaker 1: though yes, we are all human beings. But if you're
Speaker 1: African American, then there are times, especially these days, when
Speaker 1: you can't ignore what's been going on for obviously centuries,
Speaker 1: but but now we're just talking decades in regards to
Speaker 1: police reform, and really when you talk about systemic racism,
Speaker 1: you can you can give money to the police station,
Speaker 1: to the to the police officers, and hopefully they do
Speaker 1: well with those funds. But some of these things are
Speaker 1: just common sense. I don't think you have to change
Speaker 1: the way you your practices in regards to how you
Speaker 1: arrest people and how you subdue people, as long as
Speaker 1: you have some type of common sense about it. You know,
Speaker 1: what we saw in Minneapolis was a totally different thing
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with procedure, not at all.
Speaker 1: That just had to do with hatred. And when you
Speaker 1: see that being repeated over and over again, and it
Speaker 1: happens to young black men, then yeah, you could say, yes,
Speaker 1: all lives do matter, It's no doubt about it. All
Speaker 1: lives matter. But when you see that it's happening to
Speaker 1: a particular group of people, then you have to we
Speaker 1: have to single ourselves out and say yes, black lives matter,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't seem to matter in regards a law
Speaker 1: enforcement not the entire law enforcement, but there is a
Speaker 1: problem within law enforcement to where amongst all of those
Speaker 1: good cops, all those good cops are trying to do
Speaker 1: their job, those bad apples are the ones that are
Speaker 1: giving you a bad reputation. So it was just good
Speaker 1: to see Dad come out and say something because it
Speaker 1: needs to be said. And also the Dallas Cowboys need
Speaker 1: to say something as well. If you're talking about being
Speaker 1: America's team and you want to use that moniker to
Speaker 1: spread joy or whatever you want to spread all over
Speaker 1: the world, and this is all over the world. If
Speaker 1: you're going to be America's team, then you need to
Speaker 1: say something. I think as an organization we can't sit
Speaker 1: back as Dallas Cowboys and just not say anything as
Speaker 1: an organization. So I'm glad Dak put the illness on
Speaker 1: the cowboys to say something. I think Jerry Jones needs
Speaker 1: to be next, you know, and the other thing and
Speaker 1: build up I thought with Dak donating the one million dollars,
Speaker 1: and part of that was for and this addresses what
Speaker 1: Everson said, it was for upgraded police training. And I
Speaker 1: think that's key, right because as he said, you know,
Speaker 1: he had one guy, one guy, and I know the
Speaker 1: other three stood there and didn't inter se, but one
Speaker 1: guy turned the whole world upside down by what he did.
Speaker 1: So not only does the training have to improve, but
Speaker 1: to me, the vetting has to improve. He can be
Speaker 1: a policeman, right, And we can start first by paying
Speaker 1: them more. And I think if you pay them more
Speaker 1: than you get the higher quality people to be able
Speaker 1: to react to things that are under pressure. And believe
Speaker 1: you know it's pressure. To look at those guys that
Speaker 1: were trying to control the violent protesters over the week.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of pressure now, and what you got
Speaker 1: to do? You know they call in the National Guard.
Speaker 1: Well sometimes the National Guards got eighteen to twenty year
Speaker 1: old people in it, right, yes, and you're asking them
Speaker 1: to have a lot of composure. But I think the
Speaker 1: vetting and the training is what has to improve to
Speaker 1: be able to get away from some of these things
Speaker 1: that we continue to see. And as Everson Villain, you know,
Speaker 1: we know we've lived a long time and this all
Speaker 1: has been going on for a long time. I was
Speaker 1: talking earlier about before we came on, and I just
Speaker 1: think it needs to be said that athletes have the
Speaker 1: right and sometimes the obligation to speak out is just
Speaker 1: the way it is the reason that we're in this
Speaker 1: position hours because everyone tries to stay in their lane
Speaker 1: because you're an athlete. You can't speak out on something
Speaker 1: that's going on to people that look like ear So
Speaker 1: that's been going on for decades and decades, So let's
Speaker 1: let's get out of this mode of athletes just be athletes.
Speaker 1: That's not true. You've got owners that have contributed to
Speaker 1: particular campaigns, so that lets you know what their mindset
Speaker 1: might be in regards to how they are politically. So
Speaker 1: as an athlete that's an individual citizen, you have that
Speaker 1: right as well to show where your duties are, and
Speaker 1: your duties should be for fairness for anyone that's confronted
Speaker 1: with police and who might be abused by police. You
Speaker 1: can criticize the police department and still love that police department.
Speaker 1: You can criticize America and still love America. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where we've lost this connection. We love America,
Speaker 1: but we want America to be better, don't you know?
Speaker 1: You can't You can do both. You can criticize it
Speaker 1: but still be proud of you know. And I love
Speaker 1: what what Dak said about his brother Jays, who he
Speaker 1: described as his idol, and that they've both had a
Speaker 1: shared mission in life is to find a bigger purpose.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a good message for all of
Speaker 1: us uh in these times, is to find a bigger
Speaker 1: purpose in our own lives as far as loving one
Speaker 1: another and um, and that's it took what it all
Speaker 1: boils down to, you know, and h M. So hopefully
Speaker 1: all of us can learn from what's from what's going
Speaker 1: what's happening right now, Bill and Bill. That almost echoed
Speaker 1: what I heard former President Barack Obama say about being
Speaker 1: able to step up and figure out your purpose and
Speaker 1: what you need to do, uh to basically help things out.
Speaker 1: And I thought that's where Dak would what he would
Speaker 1: right on points. Maybe he wasn't the first to speak.
Speaker 1: But when he spoke, uh, he spoke. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: By the way, I wanted to add this, So he
Speaker 1: doubt donated a million dollars because he assuming he's gonna
Speaker 1: get a fifty million dollars bonus when he signs that
Speaker 1: long term deal, sign that that long term deals get happen.
Speaker 1: Let's be let's be real. That was not cowboy money
Speaker 1: that month. Dost with money expects Let's be real, and
Speaker 1: it was taking the preemptive strike there knowing that that
Speaker 1: money's coming down the road. It was a pledge. So
Speaker 1: we're not we're not sure to win that. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: see how the next month plays out. Come on, don't
Speaker 1: be like that man back from his dead where it
Speaker 1: is good. I'm not doubting that we're getting closer and
Speaker 1: closer to that July fifteenth deadline. Looks today it's at
Speaker 1: the four. Yes, so we got twenty seven and fifteen
Speaker 1: days to go. We got twenty six and fifteen thirty
Speaker 1: in June. Mickey, Yeah, you keep track of that. I
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Speaker 1: feel it right, I didn't feel anything. So doctor Faucium,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about the starting training camp now? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like we can be maybe optimistic
Speaker 1: like you and say it might start on time. Now
Speaker 1: the question is when will it start for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and the Steelers. Because one thing dawned on me is
Speaker 1: when they're talking about unnecessary travel for teams, is it
Speaker 1: necessary to play the Hall of Fame game, and I
Speaker 1: think that has to be talked about. I saw where Baker,
Speaker 1: the head of the Hall of Fame, said, We've got
Speaker 1: five different contingencies, and it made me go back to
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Remember when there basically was a shotgun start
Speaker 1: to training camp. That year on Monday they ratified the CBA.
Speaker 1: On Wednesday, we were heading the training camp. And that
Speaker 1: year they canceled the Hall of Fame game. They had
Speaker 1: the induction, but they canceled the Hall of Fame game. So,
Speaker 1: you know, with no if and I'm going to assume
Speaker 1: there's probably no off season, right, and if there is,
Speaker 1: it's conditioning, weight training, and conditioning in their own Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you have to play five preseason games? Uh? If?
Speaker 1: And will they even if you play the game? You
Speaker 1: know that game sold out? I read where in ten
Speaker 1: minutes they sold out twenty thousand, right, the Cowboys, Steelers? Right? Uh?
Speaker 1: And so are they going to let people in the
Speaker 1: watch to get it? Because if they're not letting people
Speaker 1: in the watch, the game is there? Is it just TV?
Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the things that probably
Speaker 1: have to be discussed between the NFL, the NFLPA, and
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame well, and the interesting thing on it.
Speaker 1: Thing on it is okay, and I think it's probably
Speaker 1: contingent as much as anything. Are they going to have
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame induction ceremony as scheduled that week? Okay?
Speaker 1: I saw one. I saw one alternative was to basically
Speaker 1: push the induction back to when they're going to do
Speaker 1: the guys that were inducted, you know, because one hundred
Speaker 1: year anniversary group and September. Yeah, in September, midway through
Speaker 1: that September, and they could do that. So the interesting
Speaker 1: to see what they decide. And so what the decision
Speaker 1: there is affects the Cowboys because they were supposed to
Speaker 1: be able to start with like July twenty second or
Speaker 1: at least report to training camp right around there, and
Speaker 1: they would be ahead of the rest of the teams
Speaker 1: because they're going to play that early preseason game. Now
Speaker 1: will that still be the case, And that's one reason
Speaker 1: the Cowboys wanted to play that game before all this
Speaker 1: started with the pandemic, because they were going to get
Speaker 1: an extra game with a new coaching staff and a
Speaker 1: longer training camp to help the new coaching staff. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we've seem to forgot that this is the new coaching staff.
Speaker 1: And if we thought they were kind of behind the
Speaker 1: eight ball along with the other four teams with new coaches,
Speaker 1: now they're really behind because you know, Mike McCarthy still
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to address a ninety man roster. I
Speaker 1: was I was thinking as I was watching these last
Speaker 1: few days, how this these protests are going to affect
Speaker 1: uh the outbreak itself. Uh, if it will have some
Speaker 1: type of us uh spike in cases, and if that
Speaker 1: will affect the owner's way of thinking in regards to
Speaker 1: having this game, in regards to how you prepare for
Speaker 1: this game. And then you start thinking about the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame induction as well. Uh could that be virtual?
Speaker 1: You know? Could they do it like as they did
Speaker 1: in the draft, just you know, go to each person's home,
Speaker 1: be prepared for them to make a speech and the presentation, uh,
Speaker 1: and do it virtually a virtual Hall of Fame induction ceremony,
Speaker 1: just like you had a virtual NFL draft. To me,
Speaker 1: they can go to it. I'm sure, Eddie Guy said,
Speaker 1: Texas Motor Speedway is already put a proposal, man, where
Speaker 1: where the inductees can be there on the racetrack and
Speaker 1: people can drive in and watch it on the big Street.
Speaker 1: The inductees will drive by in the all cars. That's
Speaker 1: what they do. You go right, keep it all out indoors.
Speaker 1: You know. I think the thing that probably they probably
Speaker 1: have to take in consideration is, you know that Pro
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame is basically subsidized by that week
Speaker 1: the money they make, the participation from fans. And it's
Speaker 1: not just the induction and it's the game, it's the parade, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's the Almo Jacket presentation. Uh, it's the breakfast lunch
Speaker 1: the next day. Uh. People spend a lot of money
Speaker 1: and that money goes towards supporting that Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. So you got under consideration they have, they
Speaker 1: are on the going and eight hundred million dollars renovation
Speaker 1: in my rights bags absolutely they're making a renovation is Uh.
Speaker 1: They have HBCU section there that I think is going
Speaker 1: to be around ten thousand square feet, so that's also
Speaker 1: part of the part of the funding is going to
Speaker 1: go there as well. So yeah, it's it's still very important.
Speaker 1: They've got some things going on to what they want
Speaker 1: to change the whole culture around the NFL. Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame in Canton. So, yeah, you're right, it is pretty important.
Speaker 1: But I think that's gonna suffer a little bit this year,
Speaker 1: I truly do, even with the sellout of the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game. Well, Mickey, you wrote about Anthony Dickerson
Speaker 1: and on mix Shots your column this week. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I missed this. So one of our average listeners
Speaker 1: readers on Dallas Cowboys dot com sept me an email
Speaker 1: and said, boy, we missed this. You guys sure missed this,
Speaker 1: And so I clicked on what he sent me and
Speaker 1: it was about Anthony Dickerson passing away. And I'm reading
Speaker 1: the story and it was dated in March twenty first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I kept reading and it was like exposing
Speaker 1: two months ago. This was a year ago, March thren
Speaker 1: twenty first. And Everson, I can't believe that just kind
Speaker 1: of passed for a guy that you know, he was
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys five years most of the time, well
Speaker 1: all the time you were there, right, no doubt he
Speaker 1: came in. Yeah, Dickerson came in. We just we just
Speaker 1: called him. We just called him dick like he came
Speaker 1: in year before we did in eighty one. He came
Speaker 1: in eighty. Uh. He was a Texas kid. He was
Speaker 1: one of those very intense practice players. He didn't really
Speaker 1: talk much doing practice, but off the field, he's a
Speaker 1: great guy. Of course, I know his his his widow,
Speaker 1: and she was the one that had informed us about it,
Speaker 1: of course over a year ago when it had happened,
Speaker 1: because we're still close to her in her family. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I was surprised when you sent me the articles
Speaker 1: bad and because I'm thinking, uh where, I mean, something
Speaker 1: did I did? I killed dick Off in my sleep?
Speaker 1: I know you know what what happened. I did I
Speaker 1: dream it? But no, of course I was aware of it.
Speaker 1: He had really fallen on some hard times. His health
Speaker 1: had failed him, uh at later on in life, like
Speaker 1: and he was pretty much a you know that uh
Speaker 1: that tale of of you know, a guy that that
Speaker 1: had the injuries and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: got the medical condition that comes with that. The medic
Speaker 1: the medication itself became you know, a little bit too
Speaker 1: much for him to take, uh, and eventually his his
Speaker 1: quality of life before he passed on was not good
Speaker 1: at all. And so that's pretty much the standard of
Speaker 1: what you hear from guys that played back in the
Speaker 1: age UH. And that's why the collective bargain agreements are
Speaker 1: so important for retired players in regards to taking care
Speaker 1: of of us as we get a little bit older,
Speaker 1: because all of us are not in the same position
Speaker 1: to take care of ourselves. And if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: Anthony Dickerson when he passed, he was in a care facility.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's the role of many players that
Speaker 1: come to the NFL. We hear about the Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers and things of that nature. But then there are
Speaker 1: guys like Anthony Dickerson just came along, played a few years,
Speaker 1: did the best he could and ended up paying for
Speaker 1: it in the end. Just one of one of those things. Sad.
Speaker 1: It was so sad, you know. Comer smu point player
Speaker 1: also red wad He against Ohio State one year, made
Speaker 1: thirty two tackles in the game. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was undrafted the Cowboys very fast. He was a very
Speaker 1: fast under under underneaer over for D. D. Lewis on
Speaker 1: the nickel for a while and then started his last
Speaker 1: two years UH eighty three eighty four for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, and when I mentioned it
Speaker 1: to some other people, there were big cowboy fans. They
Speaker 1: remembered his play. Uh at the end of that eighty
Speaker 1: three game against the Saints, when it may be the
Speaker 1: only game that's ever been won on a safety right
Speaker 1: with one fifty the game. Oh my god, even Randy
Speaker 1: White was jumping up and down like a little girl.
Speaker 1: You were, you were, I think it behind like or
Speaker 1: a head twenty six ten and turned the ball over
Speaker 1: the second half like six times or so. Uh. It
Speaker 1: missed the next right, absolutely, and so he ended up
Speaker 1: winning twenty one twenty. And the thing I saw about
Speaker 1: the story was they asked Tom Landry did he think
Speaker 1: his team was motivated, and he goes, well, obviously not.
Speaker 1: I hope not, because if we were, we were really
Speaker 1: a bad feel because the Saints way bad team. So yes,
Speaker 1: what Tom said was as accurates can be, we were
Speaker 1: not ready for that game. And then diarny of it.
Speaker 1: The next year when you played the Saints that Sunday
Speaker 1: night game after the presidential debates, it was another sack
Speaker 1: that Jim Jeffcote recovered the ball in the end zone
Speaker 1: I believe tied the game, and then you ended up
Speaker 1: winning it in a late field goal after trailing that
Speaker 1: game like twenty six to ten, I think it was,
Speaker 1: and made this miraculous comeback, which was a funny story
Speaker 1: because I think you guys maybe at that point were
Speaker 1: four and three. Things weren't going well. And that morning
Speaker 1: on the Sunday paper rangon Galloway and the Dallas Morning
Speaker 1: News basically said the Cowboys are dead, you know, and
Speaker 1: this is a must win. So they were trailing Trailey
Speaker 1: Trailey and everybody, we're on deadline. We're past deadline because
Speaker 1: of the game started late because of the presidential debates, right,
Speaker 1: so when they tied the game up, that game went
Speaker 1: into overtime, and everybody started banging on the desks, right
Speaker 1: because I had to basically story starting right and used
Speaker 1: to sit in the press pots and he git right
Speaker 1: behind where we sat in the front row. The guys
Speaker 1: in the Dallas Times Herald and text got up kind
Speaker 1: of looked over and so everybody pissed off, and he
Speaker 1: in his gruff voice, he goes, hey, Randy, you look dead.
Speaker 1: You know what. That little matchup between text Ram and
Speaker 1: Randy Galloway was the best. Randy Galloway, I'll call him
Speaker 1: the eternal pessimist, right, But that's what I liked about.
Speaker 1: He was my radio. He was my radio pot in
Speaker 1: for a while in nineteen eighty nine when Jimmy and
Speaker 1: Jerry first got there. So he didn't he uh, he
Speaker 1: always gassed me up. Anytime Jimmy saying something bad about me,
Speaker 1: Randy called me before the show. Hey man, Jimmy said this.
Speaker 1: Jimmy said that, what are you thinking? So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get them. So we I mean we were
Speaker 1: one or fifteen that year, so it wasn't like we
Speaker 1: were looking forward to going to the playoffs. So Randy
Speaker 1: was feasting on that all seasons long, and I was
Speaker 1: right there for it. Uh as his as his radio apartment.
Speaker 1: I know, I know you guys, you know getting along
Speaker 1: with Tex wasn't wasn't great all the time, But for us,
Speaker 1: it was time time entertaining as could be for us.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that the stuff he used to say
Speaker 1: in the press boxes he puts out the officials today.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine an official of a team sitting up
Speaker 1: there in front of the entire media and calling the
Speaker 1: guy you so me and God? He was entertaining. He
Speaker 1: was I'm saying you guys were complicit facts. You guys
Speaker 1: should have dropped a dime on him a long time ago.
Speaker 1: You know what, your conversation about text is very timely
Speaker 1: because if you see just a few days ago it
Speaker 1: was the it would have been his one hundredth birthday text.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, that long many and Bill, I know
Speaker 1: we're running our time. But one of the kind of
Speaker 1: a current note for the cowboys, they'll they're expected to
Speaker 1: do this, and so if they do it today, they're
Speaker 1: expected to finally turn in the retirement papers. For Tata's Frederick,
Speaker 1: it'll affect a salary cap. It's almost like a salary
Speaker 1: cap stimulus because they'll get back his seven million dollars
Speaker 1: base salary. Now he'll count almost five million dead money
Speaker 1: this year and another six million next year. But they
Speaker 1: wait until after June first to turn in the retirement
Speaker 1: papers so they could spread out the dead money, which
Speaker 1: was over eleven million dollars. But they'll now that they
Speaker 1: were supposed to do it today. I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: deadline anymore, you were. Whenever they do it, his base
Speaker 1: salary is seven million dollars will go back into the
Speaker 1: cap and that'll just about cover what their rookie pool
Speaker 1: is for salaries this year. I think the pool is
Speaker 1: seven point three million, so they'll be able. It was
Speaker 1: almost like you had a savings account there and now
Speaker 1: you tapped into it to be able to use it.
Speaker 1: So the way we're running out a salary cap money too,
Speaker 1: or that just frees up enough money to go ahead
Speaker 1: and make that Jamal Adams trade. I don't think that
Speaker 1: covers a first in the third round kick like the
Speaker 1: way you fig I likely wig to renegotiate a contract
Speaker 1: for somebody that once about fourteen million in a year.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, okay, we good good thinking though, Okay,
Speaker 1: well Mickey only gets half his pay this week is
Speaker 1: like the NBA players, right or MLB? Right, we just
Speaker 1: we just we just tapped in. We just tapped into spags.
Speaker 1: Wee can we pay? So we get to right here
Speaker 1: you go? All right, So we're gonna do this again
Speaker 1: next Thursday. Right, Well, we're gonna try and work it out.
Speaker 1: Otherwise we're just going WebEx just the way, all right,
Speaker 1: And that does it for mixed shots for this weekend.
Speaker 1: We will see you again next Thursday at eleven am
Speaker 1: on June eleven, moving on. Yeah, this has been a
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