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Speaker 1: Now on to our story. We are going to talk
Speaker 1: about Sugar, who was born Ireland in eight and theoretically
Speaker 1: died in nineteen three. Possibly, Well that's the unsolved mystery
Speaker 1: parties because I mentioned Sugar as a horse, right, No,
Speaker 1: everybody knows that I didn't know that horse, of course. Sorry.
Speaker 1: It was actually a well known horse, but I've never
Speaker 1: heard him before. Actually it's because we live in the States.
Speaker 1: If you were in Britain or Ireland, you knew Sugar.
Speaker 1: It was like the little Sebastion of the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: I would actually say the Sea Biscuit, because this horse
Speaker 1: was huge, book over the racing scene, and everybody knew
Speaker 1: the horse's name. It was yeah, alright, okay, well let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's for all our folks who don't know who Sugar is.
Speaker 1: Sugar was the champion race horse of Night one. It
Speaker 1: was a very recognizable bay colt. He had a very
Speaker 1: unique white blaze on his face, and a blaze is
Speaker 1: if you see a horse that's got the kind of
Speaker 1: a white stripe from their forehead to their muzzle, that's
Speaker 1: a blaze, very unique shape to It had four white socks,
Speaker 1: and I really I kind of find this endearing. Had
Speaker 1: this weird habit when racing of lolling his tongue out
Speaker 1: of the side of his mouth, kind of like a
Speaker 1: dog out the window. Yeah, it's very cute. Well, in one,
Speaker 1: Sugar famously one the Dirt Steaks, which is a very
Speaker 1: very major race in England, and you wanted by ten lengths,
Speaker 1: which is quite a huge lead. It is a very
Speaker 1: huge lead for our listeners who don't watch horse racing. Me. Okay,
Speaker 1: all length means the distance of a horse. So you've
Speaker 1: got horse one and you've got horse too, and if
Speaker 1: you can fit a horse between them, that is considered
Speaker 1: one length. Does that make sense? Yeah? The question I
Speaker 1: have is if horse A is in the lead and
Speaker 1: horse bee is right behind him, so horse bees nose
Speaker 1: is right about even with horse's. But there is that
Speaker 1: doesn't that mean that the then you get the decimals
Speaker 1: of a length. It's kind of like you know, a millimeter,
Speaker 1: You get into decimals of millimeter right then you you
Speaker 1: break it down. But lengths are if you a horses
Speaker 1: x long, that is one x between horse one and
Speaker 1: horse two. Very it's as simple as that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Sugar did it in ten lengths, so that is ten horses,
Speaker 1: which is a massive, massive lead depending on his competition.
Speaker 1: But I mean, obviously they would have been fairly evenly matched.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty even match. I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: He was named European Horse of the Year, which they
Speaker 1: just don't give away. So that tells you right there
Speaker 1: how good he was. He was a three year old horse.
Speaker 1: He was at the end of his racing career. His
Speaker 1: horses race from one to three and then they're done.
Speaker 1: So at that point they said, well, we're going to
Speaker 1: turn him into a stud, and Sugar was taken to
Speaker 1: bellam and He Stud, which is a stud farm in
Speaker 1: County Kildare, Ireland. He stayed there quite happily, siring offspring
Speaker 1: for the next year. Lucky horse, he lucky horse. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of stud jokes I want to make here,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna make any of them. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna give one basic term, which is to mate with
Speaker 1: a horror a male. To mate with a female is
Speaker 1: called covering. He covered thirty four mayors that year, with
Speaker 1: a pretty hefty fee going for every one of those
Speaker 1: things too. People were paying up to eighty thousand pounds
Speaker 1: per curling per coupling, thank you. I was trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to say the sad pounds per try
Speaker 1: per try Okay, Well, here's the thing. He went that
Speaker 1: that's eighty thousand pounds in two money. That's equivalent of
Speaker 1: four hundred eighties six thousand pounds today or three hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand U S. Dollars today. That's an
Speaker 1: incredible bull amount of money. So that he was making
Speaker 1: his owners just money hand over fist. Now, one bit
Speaker 1: of information that I do want to get into before
Speaker 1: we get into the mystery surrounding him, is how his
Speaker 1: ownership was divvied up. Shargar was Sugar was owned by
Speaker 1: Prince kareem Aga con He after that season, decided that
Speaker 1: he would sell off shares. He wouldn't need to sell
Speaker 1: the horse entirely. He just sell shares of the horse
Speaker 1: for a lot of money. For a lot of money.
Speaker 1: He sold thirty four shares. He kept six for himself.
Speaker 1: I don't know how this is, so I don't know
Speaker 1: if that means that he sold twenty eight shares so
Speaker 1: there's a total of thirty or thirty four, or if
Speaker 1: that means that he sold thirty four shares plus his
Speaker 1: sixth equal forties you would think. But he was selling
Speaker 1: the shares for a quarter of a million pound at
Speaker 1: the time, which is a that's that's that's almost ten
Speaker 1: million pounds that he sold that horse for. That's a
Speaker 1: huge amount of money. So again he is just breaking
Speaker 1: in cash. And I'm assuming though that it probably was
Speaker 1: a good investment because I'm assuming that he would be
Speaker 1: he would be, you know, trying to impregnant lots and
Speaker 1: lots of mayors for years to come, and so I'm
Speaker 1: assuming they'd make up, would have a stead at effective stud,
Speaker 1: will have a stud career of anywhere from five to
Speaker 1: fifteen years. That's worth investing two fifty thousand in when
Speaker 1: you know you're going to get all that money back
Speaker 1: in two seasons. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's a great investment. Well,
Speaker 1: here's what happens with our racehorse. It's an eight thirty
Speaker 1: at night on the eighth of fed you're Jim Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: He is the head groom of Bellaminny Stud. He opens
Speaker 1: the door and he finds three men in bla clavas,
Speaker 1: which is a scheme mask at the door. They've got
Speaker 1: guns on him and they say they want him to
Speaker 1: take him to the horse. He goes ahead. He does it. Specifically,
Speaker 1: he takes him right to share gar because that's what
Speaker 1: they say. They want the fans of sugar. H No,
Speaker 1: this this was not a fan situation. No, I know
Speaker 1: for sure it was not. Because they immediately said, we're
Speaker 1: taking this horse and we want two million pounds to
Speaker 1: get him back. So they were kidnapping. Horse napping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be horse napping. You're right, what idiot wrote
Speaker 1: kidnapping when uh, when Fitzgerald got to the stables, there
Speaker 1: were another five men in masks there, so we've got
Speaker 1: a total of eight men with guns. They load the
Speaker 1: horse up. They put Fitzgerald in another car, and they
Speaker 1: were prepared by the way. They they had a horse trailer.
Speaker 1: They had a trailer. They put him in a trailer.
Speaker 1: Wasn't like they put him in the back of a
Speaker 1: hatchback or something. They put him in a horse trailer
Speaker 1: and they took off. But they put Fitzgerald in a
Speaker 1: separate car drove for what the accounts say a few miles,
Speaker 1: three four miles, I don't know, before they finally stopped,
Speaker 1: told him to get out of the car and not
Speaker 1: to look behind him because they would be there and
Speaker 1: they would shoot him, and he had to just walk
Speaker 1: until he got to the next town, which he did, because, well,
Speaker 1: if a guy with a gun says go that way
Speaker 1: and don't look back, I'm going to do that. It's
Speaker 1: simple logic. When Fitzgerald got back home, because he got
Speaker 1: to the next town, in the next town and then
Speaker 1: got it right home, he made the appropriate phone calls
Speaker 1: first to his chain of command, which then lit off
Speaker 1: us series of phone calls up the chain of command
Speaker 1: for everybody involved. The weird thing is, though the cops
Speaker 1: didn't get called till four o'clock in the morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems kind of silly. I mean, why not The
Speaker 1: first call I would have made was to the freaking cops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that didn't happen. I don't know why. Maybe if
Speaker 1: you're rich, you employ your own investigative services first. Well,
Speaker 1: and if you have twenty plus people involved in that
Speaker 1: ownership situation, I imagine that gets even messier. So it's
Speaker 1: not like I can say I own this horse. I
Speaker 1: know this guy, he'll look into it. You can if
Speaker 1: you're the major stakeholder. Well no, no, Agacon was the
Speaker 1: major stakeholder. I think he had he had six shares, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but only six out of forty. So if nobody but
Speaker 1: nobody else had more shares than him. Yeah, so to
Speaker 1: shareholder had four shares, which again was a million pounds,
Speaker 1: so go figure. Nobody else had more shares than he did. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so they called the police up, Yeah, they call the police. Uh.
Speaker 1: The thing was, of course, Sargar was very popular with
Speaker 1: the public because he was a local horse. He had
Speaker 1: won this giant race and everybody knew about it, so
Speaker 1: the police it's a very public investigation. The police are
Speaker 1: trying to do everything possible to cross their teas and
Speaker 1: got their eyes. They've got to know what's going on.
Speaker 1: They're trying to turn the area upside down to find
Speaker 1: the horse. But unfortunately the area also turned to a
Speaker 1: media circus, so we've got tons and tons of reporters
Speaker 1: with cameras and microphones running around. So it did turn
Speaker 1: into an absolute zoo, no pun intended. And then the
Speaker 1: cops kind of dropped the ball in the whole thing,
Speaker 1: although they did h and there's some issues with the
Speaker 1: the investigation that we'll talk about here briefly once we
Speaker 1: get into the theory section or just before that. But
Speaker 1: the thing is, what was weird is is, of course
Speaker 1: i'd said that you know, all those shares had been sold,
Speaker 1: so now shared oars owned by the syndicate. Well, the
Speaker 1: syndicate couldn't obviously negotiate for his ransom because it's so
Speaker 1: many people got an agreement, I'm sure. Yeah. Well, somehow
Speaker 1: three journalists who were involved in the horse racing scene
Speaker 1: were selected to be their point contact negotiators, which are
Speaker 1: selected by the kidnappers or by the syndicate. I don't
Speaker 1: have an answer to that. I could never figure out.
Speaker 1: I think it was the syndicate, but I don't know
Speaker 1: for sure because it's just kind of it's a little
Speaker 1: ephemeral in the way that it's written that I just
Speaker 1: I'm not positive. But these three journalists are selected. They
Speaker 1: are spirited away to the countryside. They're locked up into
Speaker 1: a building with the cops. So the cops are recording
Speaker 1: all the conversations like it's a very major deal, but
Speaker 1: of course they keep I think it goes on for
Speaker 1: three days, if I remember correctly, they're having these phone
Speaker 1: calls negotiating for money. Negotiations are going nowhere. On the
Speaker 1: fourth day, the negotiators that the journalists, they get a
Speaker 1: phone call out of the blue, like this is a
Speaker 1: weird phone call that just says, Sharkar has had an
Speaker 1: accident and he's dead, and they hang up and they
Speaker 1: never make contact again. That seems rather rude. YEA, by
Speaker 1: the way, I took your horse, your hamster, I was
Speaker 1: house sitting. I mean that's what That's what it equivalates
Speaker 1: to me. It's really weird. But but to this day,
Speaker 1: nobody knows a if he truly is dead or alive.
Speaker 1: Because horses live to be can live to be years old,
Speaker 1: So technically he could still be alive today, the very
Speaker 1: aged horse, he wouldn't be studying anything he was in
Speaker 1: I guess it could be he technically could still be alive.
Speaker 1: There are some insanely old horses. But we also don't
Speaker 1: know who took him, which is where things start going
Speaker 1: kind of. There are some strong suspects. There are some
Speaker 1: strong suspects. As a question, did he actually successfully sire horses?
Speaker 1: He did? He did. He covered thirty four mayors that
Speaker 1: first season. One of the mayors that he covered u
Speaker 1: birth of foal who eventually became a champion racehorse of
Speaker 1: his own. So he was successful and only one or successful,
Speaker 1: and he successfully sired offspring in more than one mayor.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those one of those instances created
Speaker 1: a true champion force. That's my theory out the window
Speaker 1: then cinema. Okay, yeah, no, he he definitely, he definitely
Speaker 1: had what it took. I see it. I think I
Speaker 1: see where you're going. Somebody stole them just so they could, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the fact he wasn't that great. Part of
Speaker 1: the syndicate was like, well he's not actually making babies,
Speaker 1: so we'll just you know, pretend like he got stolen.
Speaker 1: Should like if you shooting blanks the whole time, you know,
Speaker 1: he he did. He definitely created a lineage. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: also they not all of the not not all the
Speaker 1: members of the syndicate had total full insurance on him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're absolutely right. Um, the insurance thing is huge,
Speaker 1: and let's go ahead and talk about that now. We'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about the syndicate after this.
Speaker 1: But do you want to talk about the insurance issue? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that I'm trying to think of what it
Speaker 1: is now. And in other words, that some of them
Speaker 1: were covered for say loss or death. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: since the since the horse disappeared and they couldn't prove
Speaker 1: the horse was dead, the insurance companies wouldn't pay, and
Speaker 1: so you know, the caveat to that is, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to continue to pay for the policy on
Speaker 1: a horse that I believe is dead. So then they
Speaker 1: stopped paying for the policy. In therefore the policy expired.
Speaker 1: So once you reach that expected lifespan of the horse,
Speaker 1: you would think that they would eventually have to pay out.
Speaker 1: But all these people were like, do you know how
Speaker 1: expensive that freaking insurances? It's not worth continuing to pay
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, that's that's why I
Speaker 1: think that the syndicate wouldn't do away with wouldn't do
Speaker 1: it with Sugar, because you know, if there'd been a
Speaker 1: plan to do that, then everybody would have gotten all
Speaker 1: gotten their insurance all beefed up, they would have gotten
Speaker 1: that kind of insurance. Well, and yeah, Aga Khan would
Speaker 1: have would have just rushed right forward, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: there would have been you know, he would have been
Speaker 1: the first one at the pay line. But here's the
Speaker 1: other thing about the syndicate is they actually had they
Speaker 1: negotiated with the ransomers, but they never actually intended to
Speaker 1: come to an agreement and pay Do you know why, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: it's the same reason we have no negotiations with terrorists now.
Speaker 1: It's because because if you pay a ransom or then
Speaker 1: they're just going to get more the same yep, which
Speaker 1: meant that every race horse in the UK, Ireland, Europe,
Speaker 1: that whole area, they were all suddenly at threat to
Speaker 1: be stolen and ransomed off. And I guess I assume
Speaker 1: that if you own steak in one horse, you probably
Speaker 1: own a steak in a couple of horses. Prince he
Speaker 1: he loves racing horses, he loves them. He didn't just
Speaker 1: own this one horse. He owns lots of horses. So
Speaker 1: let's just yeah, somebody just says, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna pick on that guy's horses. That's a bit
Speaker 1: huge pool of horses just to go after. So yeah,
Speaker 1: of course they're not gonna pay. It's a terrible thing.
Speaker 1: But of course they're not gonna pay. You can't blame them. Besides, what,
Speaker 1: you know that you don't have any guarantee you're gonna
Speaker 1: get your horse back any way. That's and that's that's
Speaker 1: the worst part. You will not necessarily get your property back.
Speaker 1: That all having been said, because you know this is
Speaker 1: supposed to be a short and yet we can't shut up.
Speaker 1: We're going to go into the theories. Let us do that.
Speaker 1: Our first theory is that the culprit. All the theories,
Speaker 1: by the way, they're all who stole the horse. So
Speaker 1: the first theory is that he was stolen or kidnapped
Speaker 1: by the IRA. The IRA has been fingered for this
Speaker 1: by just about everybody out there, including the syndicate that
Speaker 1: owned Shared are He. They they came out and made
Speaker 1: a press release saying they were sure that the IRA
Speaker 1: was responsible for it, and it's there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of evidence for this. There is because it kind of
Speaker 1: does seem like they they were super active at the time.
Speaker 1: They were trying. They were always trying to figure out
Speaker 1: ways to to raise money to buy guns and munitions.
Speaker 1: And if you think about it, a two million pound
Speaker 1: bonus check goes a long way in bullets dynamite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would. They also would have the connections to find
Speaker 1: those sleepy little farms out in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 1: where you could with a barn that you could just
Speaker 1: stash a horse. I had lots of sympathizers, lots of sympathizers,
Speaker 1: but one thing that really kind of keyed people into
Speaker 1: think that the IRA was responsible was what happened in
Speaker 1: the negotiations because they were all done by phone, and
Speaker 1: none of the all but one, I should say, all
Speaker 1: but one of the phone calls, which there were quite
Speaker 1: a few, lasted less than nine seconds. Seconds was the
Speaker 1: time that was required to trace a phone call. Your
Speaker 1: common dumb criminal is probably not likely to know that.
Speaker 1: And organized group that is subversive or you know, working
Speaker 1: against the law, is going to be very aware of that.
Speaker 1: But in night, not at this time, Not at this
Speaker 1: time was that as known. I mean, we see all
Speaker 1: this all the time. But I remember in the eighties
Speaker 1: it was the dukes of hazards and stuff. It wasn't
Speaker 1: I gotta stay off the phone for this x amount
Speaker 1: of time to get traced. I mean that wasn't doesn't
Speaker 1: take him ninety seconds anymore in real life, So not
Speaker 1: anymore according to uh so what is uh it's not
Speaker 1: see us. There's some other show it's it takes forty
Speaker 1: seven seconds or something stupid. But they knew this and
Speaker 1: they would not stay on the phone any longer than that, okay, fair.
Speaker 1: And then also there was there was some IRA, a
Speaker 1: guy that wrote a book right, Sean O'Callahan, Yeah, Okallahan,
Speaker 1: he was. He was the i RA, a double agent.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he became a double agent, but
Speaker 1: long story short is that he ended up writing a
Speaker 1: book about his time in the IRA, and one of
Speaker 1: his chapters is about Shargar. According to his book, he says,
Speaker 1: when he realized that the IRA was not going to
Speaker 1: get paid, in other words, they were getting jerked around,
Speaker 1: they had to figure out what to do with his horse,
Speaker 1: and their first and their first idea was well, let's
Speaker 1: just let him go, except because the countryside was such
Speaker 1: a media circus and there were people everywhere looking for
Speaker 1: the horse, they just couldn't turn him loose on a
Speaker 1: road because they're they're safe houses were near that, They're
Speaker 1: they're sympathizers were near there. So what ends up happening
Speaker 1: is some genius decides that what we should do is
Speaker 1: to help with it, we should just kill the horse.
Speaker 1: And according to a Callahan, that ends up what happened.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna I'm gonna spare you the gruesome details,
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna say the two men with machine
Speaker 1: guns go into a stall and then later on, no
Speaker 1: horse walks out what they did with Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's despicable. But what happened to share body after that,
Speaker 1: we don't know. I mean, it's a lot of that's
Speaker 1: a lot of material to dispose of. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I've heard that there are a lot of large bogs
Speaker 1: are in that area, so that seems to be the prevalence.
Speaker 1: Thinking as he got pushed into a bog. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine though, that all of him got pushed into the
Speaker 1: same spot in the bog, because horses are fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: pound animals and that's a lot of animal. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to think about that either. It's I don't either,
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that he probably got just posited in
Speaker 1: several locations if this theory is correct. Um, But you
Speaker 1: know what, let's let's move on to something that is
Speaker 1: weird but much happier, which is General Gaddafi. Do you
Speaker 1: mean Colonel Kadafi? Well, is it colonel or general? I've
Speaker 1: seen him called bolls uh No, I don't think he
Speaker 1: ever raised his rank beyond colonel. Interesting, and Internet called
Speaker 1: him general. That's why I was asking. An interesting fact
Speaker 1: about Kadafi is that his childhood hero was was Colonel
Speaker 1: gabaldil Nasser of Egypt, and he really deeply admired him
Speaker 1: and he modeled so when when he staged this coup
Speaker 1: along with his fellow officers, I believe he was a
Speaker 1: captain in the Libyan Air Force, and so when he
Speaker 1: became in charge, he immediately bumped his rank to colonel
Speaker 1: because that was that was Bill Nassa's rank, and that
Speaker 1: any as far as I know, he kept it at
Speaker 1: colonel the rest of his life, well, as long as
Speaker 1: he had a military title. That is. Okay, Well, all
Speaker 1: I know is I've seen him called General Goffey. But
Speaker 1: let's let's explain what I've actually promoted himself. Let's explain here.
Speaker 1: If you don't know who good off he is, which
Speaker 1: some people don't, was well was Oh yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: it was. It was. He was as Joe talked about,
Speaker 1: he had a coup, he then became the literal leader
Speaker 1: in Libya. He also he had a thing for race horses.
Speaker 1: You know, I loved race horses, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff is really popular in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: It is. Horse racing is a big thing. A lot
Speaker 1: of Arabs are crazy about horses. Well, not at all unusual. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's not at all. But according to this theory, what
Speaker 1: happens is he brokers a deal. This kind of ties
Speaker 1: in with the last one. He brokers a deal with
Speaker 1: the IRA, says that horse is awesome and I want
Speaker 1: that horse. The IRA then goes in and steals the
Speaker 1: horse for him in exchange for either a money or
Speaker 1: be munitions. I'm sure that he would have had a
Speaker 1: cool hardware to give him. You would have had hardware. Now,
Speaker 1: how they get that horse out of the country, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but have to put him on a ship.
Speaker 1: You're not going to put him on a plane, right,
Speaker 1: you can, but probably not. But here's the thing. Also,
Speaker 1: what what is it that they call it? They the
Speaker 1: early eighties were called I think they call them the
Speaker 1: tough Time or the rough time where things were not
Speaker 1: good and we're talking about in Ireland, in Ireland and
Speaker 1: it was easy to bribe, and the pretty creative name
Speaker 1: I know, But everything that I've read about that, whether
Speaker 1: it was in relation to the story or not, they
Speaker 1: used that name. So people had to do what they
Speaker 1: had to do. So I can see it being pretty
Speaker 1: easy to pay off some guy at the port get
Speaker 1: a horse on it. And it's not like there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of boats in Ireland, exactly a lot of boats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got to say, of the theories, I hope this
Speaker 1: one actually is a true one, because you know, Sugar,
Speaker 1: I want to live you. I'm sure cut off he
Speaker 1: took really good care. I'm sure he got lots of
Speaker 1: apples and pets and brushings and all of that. Well,
Speaker 1: the bit of this theory that actually could possibly have
Speaker 1: some uh some truth to it is if you think about, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, they've got to take a horse trailer
Speaker 1: and they've got to get it to a shipping port,
Speaker 1: and everybody knows that the horses missing, so there's gonna
Speaker 1: be this giant search. Except whoever did this was smart
Speaker 1: enough to take the horse the night before uh goths
Speaker 1: racehorse sale, which is a major racehorse sale. So there
Speaker 1: are there are vehicles hauling trailers with horses in them
Speaker 1: running all over the place. Where where by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a very good question. And I didn't
Speaker 1: even think to look. I read all about goths, but
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it look exactly where it was
Speaker 1: in relation to the stud farm. It didn't happen to
Speaker 1: have like a look in or near a seaport. You know. Again,
Speaker 1: I didn't even think to look at it, But all
Speaker 1: I know is that it caused tons and tons of
Speaker 1: horse trailer traffic around the area which would disguise their movements.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting because would your average Irishman know about
Speaker 1: golfs or would that be something that horse owners and
Speaker 1: horse traders would know about golfs has From what I
Speaker 1: can tell, they have a lot of auctions, and it
Speaker 1: looks like they have about three or four horse auctions
Speaker 1: a year. There's a race horse, there's a mayor auction, like,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of big horse auctions. So they're they're
Speaker 1: pretty well known if you have any interaction with the
Speaker 1: horse community. I don't think that it's a once a
Speaker 1: year thing that if you weren't in the know, you
Speaker 1: would have no idea about, especially if you were somewhere
Speaker 1: in that area. Because I may be wrong, but I
Speaker 1: got the impression that it was at least in County
Speaker 1: killed there. But I could be completely off on that.
Speaker 1: I got the impression of that, but I could be
Speaker 1: completely wrong. But let's not speculate anymore on that. Let's
Speaker 1: move into our final theory, because again this is a short.
Speaker 1: We've only got a couple of short theories, and this
Speaker 1: one is the funniest theory. This is that the New
Speaker 1: Orleans mafia took the horse. That makes sense? Was it ahead?
Speaker 1: Is this? Is that a Godfather joke? No, The basic
Speaker 1: idea is this one is the background on its similar
Speaker 1: to the Gaddafi one. But the idea is that at
Speaker 1: some point the mafia had a horse deal with aga
Speaker 1: Con and that deal went sour, and so when retribution,
Speaker 1: they stole his favorite horse, his his big money horse,
Speaker 1: and did what it took it and ended what that.
Speaker 1: I don't care that they don't care they took it.
Speaker 1: It could be in a petting zoo at this point.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Joe. It's just the the theory doesn't
Speaker 1: go any farther than that. That's all there is to
Speaker 1: that particular theory is that they said, hey, you screwed
Speaker 1: us on this deal. We're gonna screw you. We took
Speaker 1: your horse. So did the eight man with guns that
Speaker 1: stole sugar. That they have Cajun accents, not that I
Speaker 1: know of. Okay, there's yeah, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: guys in balacla I means, but nothing about their accents
Speaker 1: showed up, which makes me think they had local dialect accents.
Speaker 1: They might have hired some locals local hug. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's all we've got on on this particular one, which
Speaker 1: the guy like I, I prefer the Goodaffi theory because
Speaker 1: that means that he was happily being a horse. This
Speaker 1: might be the very first time we've ever had consensus. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know it takes it takes a nice animal
Speaker 1: to do it. Now, which one do you think is
Speaker 1: most likely the first one? I know? Me too, sadly. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: An episode. Oh yeah, So that's all the details about
Speaker 1: how patreart works and how it worked for the show
Speaker 1: are directly there, and of course there's a link to
Speaker 1: that on our website. I think I've got all of
Speaker 1: it there, guys, And I miss something, all right, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Well, this was not the shortest short ever,
Speaker 1: but we are going to go ahead and wrap this
Speaker 1: one up and we will talk to you again real soon. Everybody. Hi, guys,