1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, Radio news Now. 2 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: Earlier this month, in a townhouse on the outskirts of London, 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: Jarita Wan was teaching a group from Hong Kong to 4 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: sing a song in Cantonese. The song is called Unfinished Ending. 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: The windows behind her were covered with paper decorations from 6 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: the Lunar New Year, including the Chinese character for fortune. 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: For years, she was a successful musical theater actress in 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Hong Kong. She moved to the London suburbs with her husband, 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: her father, and two dogs in twenty twenty two. That 10 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: was three years after pro democracy protests rocked Hong Kong. 11 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: Teen demonstrations were the biggest political turmoil Hong Kong had 12 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: seen in decades, and in response, Beijing cracked down, imposing 13 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: a national security law for the city without public consultation. 14 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: Wen says she no longer felt comfortable in the city 15 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: that she grew up in. 16 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: What happened in Hong Kong in twenty nineteen was really 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: really upsetting to a lot of us, especially as an 18 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: artist's freedom of speech or freedom of writing, or freedom 19 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: of creation is a part of our nature, and I 20 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: start feeling suffocated. 21 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: When was among at least two hundred thousand local residents 22 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: who chose to leave Hong Kong after the National Security 23 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: Law came into effect. Many moved to places like the UK, Australia, 24 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: Taiwan and Canada. 25 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: It was quite hard because I lived basically my whole 26 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: life in Hong Kong and we've planned to start a 27 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: new life here in UK, away from fear and away 28 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: from this disheartening news. 29 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: Next week marks the twenty seventh anniversary of Great Britain 30 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: handing the city of Hong Kong back to China. In 31 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: many ways, the city still continues to serve as an 32 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: important financial hub in the region, but Bloomberg China editor 33 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: Alan Wong says we're seeing far reaching consequences from the 34 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: national security crackdown still playing out to this day. 35 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: So the National Security Law silenced China's loudest critics in 36 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 4: Hong Kong, and some people thought that would be it. Also, 37 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: they hoped both businesses and the government said they wanted 38 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 4: to move on from all this talk about security and 39 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 4: to focus on the urgent task of growing the economy. 40 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 4: But what happened in the last few months tell us 41 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: that Hong Kong's national security crusee doesn't end here, and 42 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 4: the city is unlikely to go back to what it was. 43 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Big Tech Asia from Bloomberg News. I'm wanh. 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: Every week we take you inside some of the world's 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: biggest and most powerful economies and the markets, tycoons and 46 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 2: businesses that drive this ever shifting region. Today on the show, 47 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: twenty seven years after Hong Kong was returned to China, 48 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: we look at how Beijing is reshaping the city's identity 49 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: and what that means for Hong Kong and its seven 50 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: million residents. Hong Kong was cedd to British control in 51 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: eighteen forty one after the First Opium War. This tiny 52 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: rocky island sitting at the southern tip of China became 53 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: a global center for trade and commerce between the East 54 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: and the West. In nineteen ninety seven, after more than 55 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years of British rule, Hong Kong 56 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: was returned to China as part of an agreement. But 57 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: before the hand of the city back over, they agreed 58 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: on one important condition. 59 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: They agreed on a framework they call one entry to 60 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 4: systems to keep this city alive. Because people knew then 61 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 4: and China knew then that if they were just going 62 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: to turn Hong Kong into just like another mainland Chinese 63 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 4: city overnight, then all the things that made Hong Kong 64 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: special and useful to China would disappear overnight. 65 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: China agreed and made one country, two systems a constitutional principle. 66 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: It promised that Hong Kong would enjoy a high degree 67 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: of autonomy in its economic and political systems for fifty years, 68 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: freedoms of self rule, speech and press that aren't allowed 69 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: just across the border in mainland China. And despite the promise, 70 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: many worried that the handover would change Hong Kong, and 71 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: not for the better. 72 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 4: There was great anxiety in Hong Kong around the handover 73 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 4: because of what happened in Beijing in nineteen eighty nine, 74 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 4: when the Tenement Square massacre happened. That's when China's People's 75 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 4: Liberation Army killed civilian protesters in the crackdown on program 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 4: because they protest in Beijing, and that was the event 77 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 4: that loomed in people's mind. People feared what the new 78 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: government in China in Beijing would do to the city. 79 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 4: They had no idea what they were getting themselves into. 80 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 4: It not that they had to say. 81 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: Alan was born and raised in British Hong Kong. In 82 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: the years running up to the handover, he was just 83 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: a young boy in elementary school, and even though he 84 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: didn't understand it at the time, he remembers things out 85 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: of the ordinary were happening around him. 86 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: I remember distinctly that some classmates would mysteriously drop out 87 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 4: of school and I didn't know at the time, but 88 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: they left because their families were moving to places like 89 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 4: Canada and Australia. There were lots of people who did that, 90 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 4: and some of that fear was captured in newspaper coverage 91 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 4: of Hong Kong. 92 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: You know. 93 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: There was literally a magazine that put the words the 94 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 4: death of Hong Kong on its cover, and obviously Hong 95 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 4: Kong didn't die. In the first few years after the handover, 96 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 4: Hong Kong was actually business as usual. 97 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: At the time of the handover, Hong Kong accounted for 98 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: nearly one fifth of China's GDP, and in the decades 99 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety seven, Hong Kong has continued to thrive 100 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: as a financial hub, and politically it also remained vibrant. 101 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: People protested freely on the street, which wasn't allowed on 102 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: the mainland. In two thousand and three, Hong Kong's government 103 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: first attempted to pass a national security law that prompted 104 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: half a million residents to take to the streets in 105 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: the largest demonstration Hong Kong had seen since the handover. 106 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: That protest became an annual tradition on July first, the 107 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: anniversary of the handover. Hong Kong was also the only 108 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: place on Chinese soil where people could commemorate the anniversary 109 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: of the Teneman crackdown. 110 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: Every year since nineteen eighty nine, rain or shine, at 111 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: least thousands of people they would gather in Victoria Park 112 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 4: in downtown Hong Kong to commemorate those who died in 113 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: the crackdown. For journalists, it was an event that they 114 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: would just cover every year. They would take for granted 115 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: that this event could take place year after year, even 116 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 4: though it was completely impossible just across the border in 117 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 4: mainland China. 118 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: But this vibrant, free environment would soon come under attack 119 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: and the response would set the stage for Hong Kong's future. 120 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: That's after the break in twenty nineteen, hundreds of thousands 121 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: of people took to the streets in Hong Kong to 122 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: protest against the proposal of an extradition law. 123 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: The law would allow the transfer of fugitives in Hong 124 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 4: Kong to mainland China to face trial there, and the 125 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 4: government insisted it would only apply to a very few 126 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: people and it would have no bearing on political freedoms 127 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 4: in Hong Kong. People feared it could be used against 128 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 4: dissidents China's critics. 129 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: When the UK handed Hong Kong back to China, there 130 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: were no agreements put in place for extraditing individuals from 131 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: the city to the mainland. That was part of the 132 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: infrastructure that kept Hong Kong different from China. The protests 133 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: soon morphed into a broader anti China movement that went 134 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: on for months. Protesters regularly blocked highways, vandalized subway stations, 135 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: and sometimes it escalated into violence, with full on confrontations 136 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: against Hong Kong riot police. The protests started to tail 137 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: off after the COVID nineteen outbreak limited public activities, and 138 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: on top of. 139 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: That, Beijing thought enough is enough. Beijing being imposed a 140 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: new national security law in Hong Kong that made a 141 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 4: lot of the protests that were lawful illegal that made 142 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 4: a lot of expressions of dissent previously accept tolerated maybe 143 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 4: no longer acceptable, and it allowed the authorities to almost 144 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 4: completely wipe out the political opposition in Hong Kong. 145 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: This National Security Law, or the NSL, criminalized promoting Hong 146 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: Kong secession from China, along with subverting the Communist Party, 147 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: acts of terrorism, and collusion with foreigners. Violators could face 148 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: life imprisonment. Beijing said the law was needed for national security, 149 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: while critics said it was intended to shut down dissent 150 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: and silence activist groups. The law has since been used 151 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: to try and imprison dozens of pro democracy activists. Police 152 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 2: arrested a group called the Hong Kong forty seven, which 153 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: included high profile activists such as Joshua Wong, seasoned politicians, 154 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: elected lawmakers, social workers, as well as an academic, a 155 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: union leader and a journalist. Last month, fourteen of the 156 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: forty seven activists were found guilty of subversion charges, and 157 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: the Hong Kong government didn't stop there. In a surprise move, 158 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: the police put bounties on those accused of violating the 159 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: NSL and had left Hong Kong and Jimmy Lai, a 160 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 2: tycoon and the founder of a pro democracy newspaper that 161 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: were shut down by the government now faces trial on 162 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: his role in the twenty nineteen pro democracy protests. He 163 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: also faces a separate trial with more severe charges of 164 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: collusion with foreign forces. All that puts the future of 165 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: a free press in Hong Kong in the crosshairs. 166 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 4: The biggest, most vocal leaders of Hong Kong's pro democracy 167 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 4: movements having either jailed or exiled those main voices calling 168 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: for greater democracy freedoms in Hong Kong, they have been 169 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: effectively silenced. 170 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: In March, the Hong Kong government passed a new security 171 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: law known as Article twenty three. It cracks down even 172 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: further with new offenses covering civil disturbances and foreign interference. 173 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 4: This new law is expected to coexist and work in 174 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 4: tendem with the two thousand and twenty National Security Law. 175 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 4: It is still fresh out of the oven, but we 176 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 4: started to get a sentence of how the government wants 177 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 4: to use this law. 178 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: Last month, Hong Kong made its first arrest under the 179 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: new Article twenty three, arresting an activist who was already 180 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: behind bars. 181 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 4: This activist, whose name is Chowhantung, a barrister and an 182 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 4: organizer of the Tenement Square vigil. She was accused of 183 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: making seditious posts on Facebook with the help of others. 184 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: The government didn't say what worth the offense posts, but 185 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: they said those posts were in connection with a quote 186 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: unquote sensitive date, and the government was referring to June fourth, 187 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 4: the anniversary of the Tenement Square crackdown, and the the 188 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 4: fact that the government refused to name the event and 189 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: refer to it as a sensitive date says a lot 190 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 4: about how sensitive it has become and how the government 191 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 4: is trying to make it a taboo. 192 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't even say June fourth. 193 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 4: He's like Votimore. 194 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: It was clear that Hong Kong's autonomy, the basic political 195 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: freedoms it enjoyed after nineteen ninety seven, are now all 196 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: but gone. The notion of one country, two systems now 197 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: applies primarily to the economy, and Allen says that has 198 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: created a sense of hopelessness for many of the people 199 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 2: of Hong Kong. 200 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 4: They don't think what they say could change the system anymore. 201 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 4: They fear getting caught up by the NSL. Some of 202 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 4: those people chose to leave Hong Kong. 203 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: In response to the crackdown, Countries like the UK, Australia 204 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: and Canada have offered pathways for Hong Kong residents to 205 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 2: obtain citizenship, and for their part, Hong Kongers have been 206 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: leaving in droves. 207 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: So the Hong Kong government doesn't publish official data on 208 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 4: how many people left Hong Kong for good or how 209 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 4: many people left for political reasons. We looked at immigration 210 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 4: data from the UK, Australia and Taiwan and came to 211 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: a rough estimate that at least two hundred thousand Hong 212 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: Kongers had moved to those places after the NSL was 213 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 4: implemented in twenty twenty. 214 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: But despite some people's disillusionment with Hong Kong and China's 215 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: efforts to control the city, there are residents who are 216 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: now taking advantage of Hong Kong's closer ties to China 217 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: with much cheaper prices on the mainland. Some have even 218 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: embraced a new cross border lifestyle. 219 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 4: After Hong Kong emerged from its pandemic isolation, and when 220 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: people restarted their travels, they realized that so much has 221 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: changed about Shuzen or other Chinese cities, and now they 222 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 4: have so many more public transport options to go into China. 223 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: The more seamless traffic experience has encouraged people to spend 224 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: their weekends in China to shop, to eat, because they're 225 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: just getting a lot more banned for the buck. 226 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: Just a few weeks ago, during the Dragon Boat Festival, 227 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: Hong Kong residents made more than a million trips across 228 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: the border to China for the long holiday weekend. That's 229 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: an increase from twenty nineteen before the pandemic hit, and 230 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: it's also more than three times the number of visitors 231 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: who came from mainland China into Hong Kong. Bloomberg also 232 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: recently interviewed young Hong Kong residents who used to protest China. 233 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: These days, they're now making regular trips to Shenzhen for 234 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: cheap food, massages and even grocery runs. 235 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: They wouldn't say that they now love the Chinese Comments Party. 236 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: They wouldn't say they endorsed China's political system, and they 237 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 4: certainly wouldn't want those systems adopted in Hong Kong, but 238 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: they become more agnostic about going to mainland China for leisure. 239 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 4: I think they feel hopeless when it comes to changing 240 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 4: the political system here, so they just see the shopping 241 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: as a purely economic activity. 242 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: Alan, hundreds of thousands of Hong Kongers have left the city, 243 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: but you have those who've stayed here. You have people 244 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: who are now getting comfortable with the closer connections with China. 245 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: Is that surprising in a way? 246 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not surprised because they're always immigrants coming 247 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: and going before or after ninety ninety seven. That's just 248 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 4: the nature of Hong Kong as a very international city, 249 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: which is why, you know, the question of what makes 250 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 4: someone in Hong Kong, or the question of identity in 251 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 4: Hong Kong is so tricky. What China's leader before the 252 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: handover said it wanted was for Hong Kongers to return 253 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 4: to China in their hearts and difference. That's a big 254 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 4: difference here, and it's it's not easy to tell when 255 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: or whether people will fully see themselves as part of 256 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 4: this country. Like when they identify themselves, do they call 257 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 4: themselves Hong Kongers or do they call themselves Chinese? And 258 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: you know what do those words mean anyway? Ya don't so? 259 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 260 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 261 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 4: Mad. 262 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: As for Jerita, when the music teacher in London, she 263 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: doesn't see herself back home anytime soon. 264 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: Since I left Hong Kong, I witnessed my friends from 265 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 3: my industry, including theater actors, they got arrested or they 266 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: got charged. I felt really scared, and I felt this 267 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: place is trying to expel its own people. In order 268 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: to survive in that city, I will transform into someone 269 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: that I hate. I have to feel safe in the 270 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: place that would let me to create or say anything 271 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 3: that I want to say, or even sing anything that 272 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: I want to sing. Maybe there will be a future 273 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: for me in Hong Kong, but I don't see a 274 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: future that I like for me in Hong Kong. 275 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to The Big Take Asia podcast from 276 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: Bloomberg News. I'm wan Ha. This episode was produced by 277 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: Naomi Um, Young Young, Jessica Beck, and Alexander Suguiera. It 278 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: was mixed by alex and fact checked by Jessica and 279 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: alex And. 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