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Speaker 1: The ultimate starting pitcher guy.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the top thirty, the big pictures, the aces,

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Speaker 1: the core of everybody that you're going with, sleepers, maybe

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Speaker 1: some bust, some must halves. We are covering it all

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Speaker 1: right here on Fantasy Pros. I'm Chris Welsh and joining me.

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Speaker 1: I could think of no other wonderful great person than

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Speaker 1: mister Stuff plus himself and the only human being that

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Speaker 1: I can say I drank a beer out of a

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Speaker 1: boot with. He has eno serus from the athletic.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: You know last time we were together? I think, well,

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Speaker 1: we saw a little bit recently, but our last big encounter,

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Speaker 1: we spent the day together and we were drinking out

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Speaker 1: of uh does boots.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right in Scottsdale. I think, so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was fun. And I don't know if I've given

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Speaker 2: you one of my cans with my face on it,

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Speaker 2: so I can almost say you drank a beer. I

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Speaker 2: have to count my face on. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I gave you one of my stuff.

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Speaker 1: I need one of those, I absolutely, But we did

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Speaker 1: learn that I didn't do the proper what was it,

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Speaker 1: the turn? The turn? I didn't do the turn and

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Speaker 1: I just got annihilated with it, and you taught me

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Speaker 1: how to do it. But today we're not necessarily teaching

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Speaker 1: everybody about how to drink beer out of a boot.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the starting pitchers. ENO's here, and ENO's

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Speaker 1: going to give us all of his inside as we're

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Speaker 1: going to be going through Fantasy Pros. Top thirty on

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Speaker 1: the ECR Expert Consensus Ranks. These are the top thirty

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Speaker 1: pitchers that everybody has come up with. So there's going

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Speaker 1: to be a kind of few that are going to

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Speaker 1: drop in and out here. But we've got a part

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Speaker 1: two of this episode, which i'll tell you at the

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Speaker 1: end on how that's going to go. So, mister Enosiris,

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Speaker 1: let's jump right into it. Let's talk about the top

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Speaker 1: ten on ECR and maybe a surprise when you get

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Speaker 1: the experts together. Terry Scoople comes in at number one. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: him and Paul Skeins kind of jump back and forth.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's probably one and two for everybody, but

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Speaker 1: our ECR on the big board, it looks like, as

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Speaker 1: you can see, Terike Scouble, Paul Skin's at two, Zach

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Speaker 1: Wheeler at three, Logan Gilbert number four, we've got Otani

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Speaker 1: is in there. That's a little bit of a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a Otani issue in the ranks in general,

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Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns, Chris Sale, Garrett Crochet, Cole Reagan's and Dylan Cease.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the very tippy top here, Terrek

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Speaker 1: Scuble or Paul Skins. And when you answer that question,

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Speaker 1: the thing I think that's surrounded most with it ino

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Speaker 1: is whoever that person is, is it worth a top

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Speaker 1: fifteen pick in any if it's head to head, if

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Speaker 1: it's Rod, oh, maybe you caveat it to twelve or

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Speaker 1: fifteen man which pitcher? And is it worth a first

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Speaker 1: round pick?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it's a really good question because I think

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Speaker 2: it becomes philosophical. But the one of the reasons that

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Speaker 2: we don't like if you put tech Scooble's numbers in

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Speaker 2: and you say he's definitely giving me those numbers, and

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Speaker 2: you spit it out into like a ranking or an

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Speaker 2: auction calculator, he should be like one of the first

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Speaker 2: two players picked in the draft. And we never do

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Speaker 2: things like this. We never take pictures in the top three.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we because pictures get hurt more often stay hurt. Longer,

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Speaker 2: and so it becomes a little bit more of a crapshoot.

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Speaker 2: And so for me my ace, I want them to

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy healthy innings out of my ace. And

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Speaker 2: so therefore I will pick Paul Skeens because I think

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Speaker 2: that people are forgetting some of Tarry Schoogel's injury history.

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Speaker 2: He's had two major arm injuries and surgery in the

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Speaker 2: last two years, and I just last year was a

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Speaker 2: great year and give us the promise of what he

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Speaker 2: can do if he stays in one place. But there's

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Speaker 2: a piece. But there's something about his crossbody mechanics and

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Speaker 2: just something about his history in particular. And I'm picking

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Speaker 2: the nts obviously, I take Schooble second. But I want

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Speaker 1: And I think the team outwardly said like they're pushing

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Speaker 1: like Workhorse was two hundred, Workhorse now is about one

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Speaker 1: seventy one seventy five. That's in that proper range, and

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Speaker 1: Paul Skins definitely kind of obviously fits that mold, and

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Speaker 1: if Scoble stays healthy, he goes in there as well.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this on an episode we just did

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Speaker 1: a little bit ago, Joe Piuzap and I talking about

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Speaker 1: the top fifty and it was kind of going through

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Speaker 1: strategy of where to pick and how you're picking, and

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Speaker 1: we had a big conversation around those starting pitchers. Joe

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Speaker 1: very adamantly couldn't see uscenario where he was taking a

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Speaker 1: I think twelve team, it kind of opens up to like, hey,

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Speaker 1: pool to kind of go from. Since there's only twelve

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Speaker 1: teams that you could take Paul Skins on the wheel

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Speaker 1: and you could make do fifteen team. It kind of

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Speaker 1: goes both ways. You could say, wow, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: less to deal with. But if Paul Skins did fall

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Speaker 1: to fifteen, you do have that advantage. What do you

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Speaker 1: think the odds are for you that you would I'll

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Speaker 1: just say anywhere from pick twelve to fifteen that you

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Speaker 1: would take a Paul Skins in one of your drafts.

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Speaker 2: It goes up if he drops past twelve. If he

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Speaker 2: drops past twelve, then I feel like I can get

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Speaker 2: a hitter. That's sort of like maybe I could get

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Speaker 2: a hitter that actually should be quote unquote in the

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Speaker 2: first round, you know, especially I'm taking like fifteen sixteen,

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Speaker 2: It's like I'll take a guy a hitter that's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, But like I don't if it's that close.

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Speaker 2: You know, I do think that there's like sort of

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Speaker 2: a top fifteen hitters or so if you can get

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Speaker 1: When you're looking at this from a tier perspective, I

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Speaker 1: think it's probably fair to say Schooble and Skins are

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Speaker 1: in a tier. How big Looking at this top ten,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about another guy here in a second,

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Speaker 1: But what do you think this next tier looks like

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Speaker 1: your ranks may differ. Of course, Zach Wheeler comes in

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Speaker 1: at three again, Gilbert, you got Burns, Sale, Crochet, Reagan.

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Speaker 1: See some going to kind of Nick So'tani even though

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Speaker 1: he's on there, like how big of the tier two

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Speaker 1: and how many pitchers are in that group?

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Speaker 2: For you, Well, you'll find that rankers I think have

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Speaker 2: a large spread in you know, how injury reverse they

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Speaker 2: have Skien, schoobl Wheeler, Burns, Gilbert. That's my top five.

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Speaker 2: And partially you can hear from that, I hear a

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Speaker 2: good healthy outcomes in the last few years and really

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Speaker 2: good pictures. But there would be a tier after that

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Speaker 2: to the Crochet, Sale, Reagan's crew, because that's where obviously

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Speaker 2: Crochet's had massive injury problems and then Sale last year

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Speaker 2: was healthy, but he's he had years where he almost

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Speaker 2: I kind of I see a top five, a top

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Speaker 2: you know, the likely Another thing that you can do

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Speaker 2: if you take a guy that you think you feel

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Speaker 2: good about health wise, they're always going to be health

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Speaker 2: risks at every part of the draft, you know, like

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Speaker 2: there's at every part of the draft, at every level

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Speaker 2: for pitching, there's going to be health risks. If you

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Speaker 2: take a health riss for a while. But the longer

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Speaker 2: you could feel like you can take good like what

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Speaker 2: you think are healthier arms and guys are going to

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Speaker 2: give you more bulk, the more that opens you up

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Speaker 2: to end with maybe a little bit of yolo at

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Speaker 2: the end where you're just like, hey, you know I

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Speaker 2: was healthy up top. Now I can take all the

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Speaker 2: Brian Wos of the world. You know, let's just lump

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Speaker 2: them on, you know. So that's that's another thing that

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Speaker 2: I want to do, is just get somebody that can

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Speaker 2: set me out to take more risks.

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Speaker 1: Later we were going to talk about him, but just

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Speaker 1: as a real quick his Gilbert really re solidified himself

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Speaker 1: in that top chair. I remember talking to you about

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Speaker 1: him last year and there was maybe some concerns about

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Speaker 1: how the fastball plays to how dominant that splitter would be,

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Speaker 1: and he's just a monster and if anything. Like you

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Speaker 1: just a bunch of guys that just stack innings and

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Speaker 1: you can really count on. And I kind of thought

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Speaker 1: Kirby was gonna take the step above Gilbert. That did

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Speaker 1: not happen. Just a quick thought on Logan Gilbert before

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of came back with one of the

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Speaker 2: better curveballs he's had and the splitter ended up being

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Speaker 2: about Gilbert is he's already in spring, you know, talking

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Speaker 2: all the Mariners are, like, they really feed off each

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Speaker 2: other and they have a real culture of collaboration and

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Speaker 2: like innovation among them. So Kirby's coming into town with

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Speaker 2: a cutter. Logan Gilbert's trying to throw a sinker. Bryce Miller,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it's gonna be, but it's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a cutter.

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Speaker 1: I can actually tell you I talked to Bryce. Every

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Speaker 1: year I get to Bryce, and he told me, because

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Speaker 1: remember you and I talked about this. When he's like

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Speaker 1: I'm throwing two sliders now and that was when it

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Speaker 1: went sweeper and gyro, and then this year he told

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Speaker 1: me he said it's a cutter. And then I was like,

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Speaker 1: how many variations of the slider are you gonna throw

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Speaker 1: the exactly? I'm gonna try me as I can. But

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Speaker 1: he told me, he told me face to face it

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Speaker 2: So I really like that. I think that they kind

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Speaker 2: of get the most out of each other. And one

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Speaker 2: and the one last thing I like about Gilbert. This

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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with you know, normal stuff that

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Speaker 2: I talk about, but I think he's gone from being

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Speaker 2: in his first year he had these like slumped shoulders

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Speaker 2: and he was so sad and I almost wanted to

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Speaker 2: hug him through the TV because he was doing so poorly.

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Speaker 2: Now he's turned into a complete bulldog. Like if you

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Speaker 2: see him on the on the field, he is he's

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Speaker 2: he's almost like Ryan esque where he's got that like

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Speaker 2: he's like almost shouting like Clements, you know, he's like

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Speaker 2: he's like he's really intense. And there's something I like

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Speaker 2: about that. I mean, I think I feel like he's

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Speaker 2: going to dominate the best he can with what he's got.

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Speaker 2: And you know, from the intellectual side and also from

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Speaker 2: this like emotional sort of yelling side.

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Speaker 1: I like that a lot. I actually liked that a lot.

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Speaker 2: But last year, the White Sox got Crochet to one

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Speaker 1: And he is very, very exciting. Would you take Crochet

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go eleven through twenty. Looking on the big board.

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Speaker 1: Coming in at eleven on the ECR is Blake Snell.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with not maybe the flashiest but a former

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Speaker 2: better because as they're using this fastball less and less,

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Speaker 2: as they lose velocity, they can use their other stuff.

433
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 2: But Cole always came with like a huge arsenal of

434
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,439
Speaker 2: great pitches. The slider's great, the curve is great, the

435
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 2: change is good, and he can he'll he'll still be good.

436
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 2: I think even as he does. This is what every

437
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 2: old pitcher does for sure.

438
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you want to look at wiff rates too,

439
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: he had thirty percent with rate on the knuckle curve,

440
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 1: slider was at twenty six and cutter was at twenty

441
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: two percent. Most of those right in line without fastball.

442
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 1: So fastball usage comes down, he can come back up,

443
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 1: all right. So you're a buyer back into Garrett Cole.

444
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 1: I think that's a good positive sign. Now let's really

445
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 1: test you. Jacob de Gram. Jacob de Gram at sixteen

446
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,479
Speaker 1: on ECR. He's all over the board. I believe Yahoo

447
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 1: has him as a thirty six overall player. We've seen

448
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 1: him in some instances go off as like the five

449
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: or six in NFBC drafts, people making the case for

450
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 1: him at number one. The deal with Jacob de Gram

451
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: is kind of always the same, and it's maybe you'll

452
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: tell it's different, but how do you stomach it? When

453
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 1: he pitches From a per game basis, he's incredible. He's

454
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Speaker 1: always incredible from I think if he got one hundred

455
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 1: innings this year, if you look at a per game basis,

456
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: he is probably going to be top three of pictures.

457
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 1: But the problem is you got to kind of narrative

458
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 1: base this on per game basis because at the end

459
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: of the day, him getting one hundred and fifty innings

460
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,959
Speaker 1: is a pipe dream, and I think the team has

461
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: even talked about hoping to just get like one hundred

462
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: and ten, maybe one hundred and twenty out of him.

463
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: So ECRs got him pushed low. I think he is

464
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: one of the few pictures with the biggest variants. You

465
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 1: can see it also on the ECR as he has

466
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 1: a high of three at SP and a low of

467
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: forty in rankers, so people are all over the board.

468
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: What is your take on Jacob de Gram in the

469
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: potential of health, his stuff, and how you would even

470
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Speaker 1: potentially draft him.

471
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a really hard time with where I

472
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 2: had him. I had him in my top ten, and

473
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: I took him out of my top ten. Right now

474
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: I have him, you know, sort of actually kind of

475
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: close to the consensus around fifteen, and I have a

476
00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 2: little mini tier of off injured, high upside guys like

477
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 2: Glass now Freed and him right there, and then they're

478
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: not too far up from Strider, Otani and Sasaki, who

479
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: I think are are significant health risks. So you know,

480
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: I kind of tiered my guys and I hedge my bets,

481
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: and you know, I can hem in hall and I

482
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: can talk a while the way around it, but I

483
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: can tell you this, this is more definitive. The shallower

484
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: your league is, the more you should take, Jake de Gram.

485
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 2: I think the shallower your league is, the reason is

486
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: and the more I L slins l slots you have

487
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 2: on your team, the better it is. So I'm a

488
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: little biased away from de Grom. I don't have a

489
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: share yet except in my in my keepers. And the

490
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: reason is I'm in a lot of fifteen team leagues

491
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: with no eyel stints, no iyel slots on the on

492
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: the team, and so what do you do in those

493
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 2: times when de gram is like, oh, it's gonna be

494
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: maybe two weeks, three, maybe it's gonna be a month,

495
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: maybe it's gonna be six. What do you do for

496
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: six weeks with with a bench slot you only have

497
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: like six or seven bench slots, and one of them

498
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: has to be to Grom, Like it starts to gum

499
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: up your team and it makes it really hard. And

500
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: then also if you're in a fifteen team league, you know,

501
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: going out in the wire trying to replace him with

502
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: whatever's out there in a fifteen team league. So yeah,

503
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: you know, those are those are my concerns. But you know,

504
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: if I'm in like a ten team league and I

505
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: get de Gram's like my second picture, Ah yes, like

506
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: I'll lean in, I'll do schemes de Grom or do

507
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 2: crochet de Grom and just be like whatever, like I'm

508
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: going for it. You know, I think that the shallower

509
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: of your league is the more I Ale stints you have,

510
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: the more you do something like that.

511
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: So it's funny a couple of things in there. So yeah,

512
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: to your point, if you're in like a TGFBI based

513
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: league which uses n FBC, and then there's like what

514
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: seven pinch spots? No, I l I don't think so

515
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard. Right, draft and Hold is a

516
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: little bit more interesting. I took him. I am currently

517
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: drafting in tout or taut draft and hold online, and

518
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: I took.

519
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: It because you might take fifteen starting pitchers or something. Right.

520
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: I took him in the fifth round. And you know

521
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: who my first picture was, Garrett Crochet I took. I

522
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: took Garrett Croche and I went heavy on strikeouts on

523
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: that one as well. So in a fifty team a

524
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: draft in Hold, it's a little bit different. And then

525
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 1: to your point, you're echoing something I've said on here

526
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: a couple times that when I was on Pitchcon that

527
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock said the same thing he said, I believe

528
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: he had said. In a ten team, Jacob de Gram

529
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: is a top five sp because again, the player pool

530
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: is a lot less. You can replenish with the pitchers

531
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: and the hitters, and he moves up. Same thing. Twelve team,

532
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: maybe he's like right around the top ten. So to

533
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: your point, in smaller formats, push up Jacob de Gram

534
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: and maybe people can use the public perception of his

535
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: rank to their advantage. Fifteen teams and ils, those are

536
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: the places you're probably avoiding them.

537
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, one last thing to say about it is Tyler

538
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: Glass Now last year with the three four five VRA

539
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 2: and one hundred and thirty five innings or so, was

540
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: a top twenty five pitcher. What you're expecting out of

541
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: de Gram is even lower than that. In terms of VRA,

542
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: You're probably expecting like a two nine or something. So,

543
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 2: you know, I think that even if you only get

544
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: to one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty innings, you

545
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: can get a lot of value out of these players,

546
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: you know.

547
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: The only uh, I don't want to extend it, but

548
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: something I've been thinking about, and this is not a

549
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: top thirty guy, but I wonder if there's something to

550
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: Jacob de Grom being healthy at the start of the

551
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: season and the valuation versus a guy like Spencer Strider,

552
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: who I would say is probably from a stuff perspective

553
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: on the same plane, but his questionable start of the

554
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: season makes him go way down outside the top thirty.

555
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: Yet if they came to the same innings, how far

556
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Speaker 1: off do you think like Strider versus de Grom would

557
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: be this season.

558
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: I think that's a really smart thing to say. I

559
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 2: think you need to I think you need to consider Strider.

560
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: If you don't get to Grom, you're in a shallow league.

561
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: Go get Strider, especially if you have buyol slots. Do it.

562
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: The one difference that I like personally is I like

563
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: seeing a guy on the mound before I would take them.

564
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: And because I mean, you're just seeing seeing with Sandy

565
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 2: al Contra, like we just saw him on the mound,

566
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: he touched ninety nine. Everyone's like, Okay, everything's fine, but

567
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: you don't really know because Walker Buehler did not stend

568
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 2: step on the mound after his second Tommy John, you know,

569
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: late in the season. It was like, oh, maybe he'll

570
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: come back, and he didn't. And guess what happened. He

571
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: didn't in April, and he didn't until late in May,

572
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: and when he did, it wasn't good. So I prefer

573
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: to see a guy step on the mound once. But

574
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: with Strider's talent, I think you go for it.

575
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: And they said no, but maybe they'll put him back

576
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: out there. And hitting perspective, by the way, to your point,

577
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: look at Mat McLain it's not the same thing. But

578
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: Matt McLain were like, oh he might be halfway through

579
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: the year. He wasn't and he never played and we

580
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: never got anything.

581
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we don't have exit like a similar thing.

582
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: Like what I want to see is like pitching velocities

583
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: like ninety nine from all contra. It means, okay, it's

584
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: all it's all back.

585
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: Same thing with McClanahan. McLanahan went out and I threw that.

586
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: It was throwing ninety seven to ninety eight in that.

587
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. But if McClean if McLain doesn't come back, or

588
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: if mclainn comes back, and then we finally get an

589
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: exit loostity in the spring, it's like one oh one.

590
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, what does that mean? You know, you

591
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: didn't get enough, you know, time to see what was

592
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: going on with the shoulder.

593
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: Exactly one more in this tier. This has been when

594
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: Joe is really harped on Pablo Lopez Paba Lopez coming

595
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: in at eighteen. I think this one has maybe just

596
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: jumped up to people of kind of why I don't

597
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: think he took that next big step. I think maybe

598
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: there's some buyers remorse from last year. I'm not sure

599
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: there was a picture that had more up hype. It

600
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: was probably a Reagans and him. To be honest with you,

601
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: the guys that like, Hey, their ADPs don't meet the values.

602
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: But Pablo was going sometimes as a top five pitcher.

603
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: He's pushed all the way down to eighteen. What's your

604
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: take and your willing investment in Pablo Lopez this year?

605
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: I have him lower than that. I have him twenty fifth.

606
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 2: And again it's there's the big The sort of variance

607
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: here is do you think I have Strider ahead of him?

608
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: And I have Otani is a picture ahead of him.

609
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: I have Rokie Sasaki ahead of him, you know, like

610
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: I have guys who are risky for innings ahead of him.

611
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: So if you think those guys shouldn't be ahead of

612
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: him just because you don't like the innings, then you

613
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: can move Pablo Lopez up, maybe behind Bryce Miller and

614
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: Grayson Rodriguez, a Hunter Brown who I have seventeen eighteen nineteen, right,

615
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: So you could get Paulo Lopez into the back end

616
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: of the top twenty that way. But I see Pablo

617
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: Lopez a little bit more like Luis Castillo Logan Webb,

618
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: Aaron Nola. I see these guys as they are bulk,

619
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: but they're not as exciting as bulk as the top guys.

620
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: They're kind of like we call it oatmeal on rates

621
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: and barrels.

622
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: Okay, So Pablo Lopez officially an oatmeal pitcher.

623
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: He's getting he's getting closer and close to oatmeal. I mean,

624
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: I think it's like a three six era one hundred

625
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: and seventy innings, you know, not not a standout strikeout rate.

626
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: You know, let me like somebody I'd rather have as

627
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: like two or three. You know.

628
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: So last year, just as one little push on him,

629
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: what we saw from twenty twenty three to twenty four

630
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: was he increased his fastball percentage year over year, and maybe,

631
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, he lowered his curveball percentage. Maybe there was

632
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: health or trust issues and maybe it's a correlation. But

633
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: the more fastballs we were talking, like with Cole earlier,

634
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: the more fastballs he throwed he threw ended up correlating

635
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: to a lower K percentage as well, and he dropped

636
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: four percent on his K percentage from twenty nine percent

637
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: a twenty nine percent in twenty twenty three down to

638
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: twenty five percent. If we were to get that twenty

639
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: twenty three version again a Pablo Lopez, which some might speculate,

640
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he tinkers, maybe there's a curve balls back.

641
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: Maybe there's just more sweepers and it's less fastballs, and

642
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: that leads to a higher k percentage. When we get

643
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: to around twenty eight percent with low walks, does that

644
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: make him blow by his value? And I guess really

645
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is like that's a little bit

646
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: of a dug, Like, yeah, he strikes out more, he's

647
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: more valuable, But like, do you think it is not

648
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: conceivable that he can get back to that twenty three form?

649
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: No, I do. But I think even that twenty three form,

650
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: you're looking at a guy that, let me see if

651
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: I have this, I sometimes I have what they were

652
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: worth in the in those years. Yes, So in twenty

653
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: three he was a top twenty, he was the twentieth

654
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: best Fantasy Baseball pitcher. In twenty ten, that was.

655
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: A three six ERA and a twenty nine percent capers.

656
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: I think that I think that describes as upside because

657
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going back to twenty twenty one

658
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: when he was in Miami and had a twenty eight

659
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: percent strikeout right in a three oh seven era. Because

660
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: A he's not in Miami anymore. Uh, and then B

661
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: he's in the last three years, he's been like a

662
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: three seven, three eight guy. Uh if you sum it

663
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: all up. So I think he's a guy that could

664
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: be really back end. So I think he could be

665
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: like somebody could be the twentieth or twenty first again,

666
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: but he's most likely to be where I put him

667
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: twenty fifth, twenty six, something like that.

668
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: All right, we're going to go to the twenty one

669
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687
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: of pitchers here. This is twenty one through thirty on

688
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: the big board. We've got Logan Webb at twenty one,

689
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: twenty two is Tyler Glass now, Bryce Miller, Luis Castillo,

690
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: couple Mariners and their Tanner Biby Max Free to twenty six,

691
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: Bailey Ober, Freddie Peralta, Graysonnardriguez, and Spencer Schwellenbach. You kind

692
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: of briefly talked about this guy, but in the same

693
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: vein of a lot of these pitchers where we're not

694
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: putting a ton of volume on them. Tyler Glass now

695
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: is a I call them like you know, Walmart, Jacob

696
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: de Grom because when he's out there or Walgreens or

697
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: Kmart or whatever version, it's just he's light. He's Jacob

698
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: to Gram light because when he's out there he puts

699
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: up big numbers. He's just not out there enough. And

700
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: then obviously this Dodger team is really great. Projections are

701
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: not gonna. I mean I don't, I don't. I have

702
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: to look. I think it's like one thirty maybe one

703
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: forty max. So it's not a full complete season. But

704
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: when he's out there, he's great. Talk to me about

705
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: the valuation. I think you said, didn't you have him

706
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: around that like Jacob de gram area, which would make

707
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: you quite a bit higher than ECR. And you know,

708
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: maybe you've kind of already answered this too with some

709
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: of these other guys. Your willingness to take and want

710
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: Tyler Glass now.

711
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at that extreme level where they're really great,

712
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: I will risk it and I and the way that

713
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: I've been putting it on rays and barrels is the

714
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: yolo yo yo. Where I want to pair a guy

715
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: that I think will have inning. So if I could

716
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: start with Corbyn Burns, I'd love to back them up

717
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: with the Glass now or de Grom. You know, I

718
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: would feel like between the two of them, I got

719
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: innings and I got upside, you know. And with glass

720
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: now one thing, one number that is on fangrafts that

721
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't think people give enough credit to. It's actually

722
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: a pretty predictive number two nine zero Sierra for glass

723
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: Now last year and Sierra's skill interactive VRA It's it's

724
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: really predictive. It's this you know stuff plus has to

725
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: beat Sierra and Kate minus B beads for it to

726
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: be useful, and Sierra's, you know, one of the better

727
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: metrics out there. So he could have put up a

728
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: two nine ERA last year and one hundred and thirty.

729
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: If he had done that, he was already a top

730
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: twenty five pitcher last year on one hundred and thirty

731
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: four innings with a three four nine ERA because of

732
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: his strikeout rate thirty two percent strikeout ray tons of strikeouts.

733
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: So if he had done the two nine zero instead,

734
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: he would have snuck into the top twenty among pitchers

735
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: last year. And so that's why I think he's likely

736
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: to do that now. Maybe I have him a little

737
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: aggressive where I have, but you have to consider replacement

738
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: level too. If you can get top twenty out of him,

739
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: and then you also get to go shopping for somebody

740
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: else while he's on the IL, it can be a bonus.

741
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: So I like Glass Now. We'll see as I update

742
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 2: these ranks. I'm means testing them in all my only drafts,

743
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: you know. And if I find that I'm just not

744
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: taking them at these levels, you could see them dropping

745
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: a little bit more towards consensus.

746
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: But no, I'm with you, though I am higher than

747
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: consensus on Glass now and the same thing. Let me

748
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: ask you this, let me push this, because we're talking

749
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: very positively about like the Jacob de Gram's and the

750
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: Tyler Glass now and some of these guys that are now.

751
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: I thought I was conservative early on, though.

752
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: Not as conservative you and me are in the same range.

753
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: But at the top of the board, the very top

754
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: of the board, my first pick, I want to be

755
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: conservative second pick that's the yo yo okay.

756
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: So, and that's kind of where I want to go

757
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: with this. What is the scenario when we're looking at

758
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: these top thirty where Jacob de Gram and Tyler Glass

759
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: now have now not become options because you you have

760
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: created this is where I would do it. If I

761
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: took Corbyn Burns, or I took Paul Skens, I'm going

762
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: to take that yolo guy. I'm you know, we're gonna

763
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: get all the mass innings. But what does it look

764
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: like where you're like, oh, this is a little scary.

765
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: You didn't say Crochet didn't fall into that. So I'm

766
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, like what if Michael King, Okay,

767
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: so so Freed is your first picture.

768
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: Let's say if I if I took if I took

769
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: Crochet first, what do I how do I go the

770
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: other direction? How do Yeah?

771
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: It's like, how do how do you? How do you

772
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: take Dea Graham and Crocheta Gram and glass Now off

773
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: the board where you're not willing to yolo with them?

774
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: Who were the pictures?

775
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, if I took Crochet, if I took

776
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: Chris Sale to begin with, if I took Cole Reagan's

777
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: to some extent, although he's you know, maybe somewhere in between.

778
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: If if like Blake Snow was one of my first pictures,

779
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: I'd want I'd want more innings, and then if I

780
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: did do that, I would I would switch over to

781
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: Grayson Rodriguez in this tier, I think he's going to

782
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: be good for innings this year. I think that Logan

783
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: Web is a really interesting guy to take because his

784
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: era would be really low. And if I if I

785
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: took Crochet and added Logan Web, I feel like that's

786
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: a really interesting pairy. I mean, that's gonna probably have

787
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: like a combined three two era. You smash those strikeout

788
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: rates together and it's probably still like a twenty five

789
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 2: twenty six percent at least, and and you're you're probably

790
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: doing pretty well, and you got to take a bunch

791
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: of hitters in between.

792
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: So that's like taking and hitting. That's like taking Schwarber

793
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: and Luisa Rise together, where it's like, yeah, he's a

794
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: bad average and they fix the counting stats a bit,

795
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: and that's like, what yeah, And that's the probably like

796
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't advocate for taking like Logan Web and

797
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: Brian Wu because then you're struggling down on strikeouts a

798
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: little bit. But what it's really interesting how there are

799
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: some complimentary pieces and maybe that's how you can put

800
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: some of these pictures together. There are pictures that do

801
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: a bit of everything. There are pictures that come with

802
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: some caveats, whether it's injuries, whether it's innings, cap whether

803
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: it's strikeouts, and how you pair all of that together

804
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: makes it really fascinating. There's quite a few really fun

805
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: pitchers in here. We're actually gonna hit a couple in

806
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: our very last section here in just a second, where

807
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: we are going to sleep or bust and a must

808
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: have of these. But one of my favorite pitchers this

809
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: year is Spencer Swellenbach. I want to try to get

810
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: him pretty much in every league I can, because you

811
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: can end up getting him at at best it's an

812
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: sp three if you've you know, if you push back

813
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: a little bit in some formats, you might get in

814
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: a four and a five. We've talked a lot about

815
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: like ten and twelve teams, but I really love Schwellenbach

816
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: had a one hundred and twenty three innings last year under

817
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: a three and a half era. Lo low walks a

818
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: strikeout percentage that I think can still keep moving. I

819
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: mean his curveball and split finger, which combined for almost

820
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: twenty seven percent usage. Both were forty plus percent with pitches,

821
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: and I think we could go to that even more.

822
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: That is paired with maybe not a dominant fastball. I

823
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: want to say Nick had pushed back on me about

824
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: how good the fastball is. But it's a high ve,

825
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: low fastball that can set up. So I'm in, I

826
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: like the stuff is Spencer Schwellenbach. But you tell me

827
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: Spencer Schwellenbach trying to say his name accurately comes in

828
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: at sp thirty. So he's the final guy on this list.

829
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: What do you think about Schwellenbach?

830
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: I really like him. One of the things I've found,

831
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: you look at something like stuff plus, you say one

832
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: oh five stuff plus, Okay, what does that mean? Well,

833
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: one hundred is average, so he's comfortably above average. And

834
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: you look at all the pitches and you're like, well,

835
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: you know the fastball one o two, the cutter one hundred,

836
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: of the curve one oh one, and you're like, are

837
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: are any of these elite pitches? Well, the splitter is

838
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 2: pretty good, like you mentioned, the sliders is pretty good.

839
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: They're all good. He has like he has like five

840
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: really good pitches. I haven't even done the sinkers at

841
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: least average, So he has like he has six really

842
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: good pitches and command. And one thing that we've seen

843
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: with some research has come out recently. Baseball Perspectives has

844
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: done this drive line has done this. If you look

845
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: at the number of pitches that you have that it's

846
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: it's almost like the number the sort of space you

847
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: can cover, like you have a big fastball and a curveball,

848
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: Like the kind of space that a hitter has to

849
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: cover the velocity of his aska. Do you have something

850
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 2: that's ninety and something at seventy. If you start having

851
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: something that's ninety, have something and seventy, how many somebody

852
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: is up here something down here? It just becomes really

853
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: hard for hitters to prepare for you and to hit

854
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: you and to lock you in on something. You'll see

855
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: guys that have like one dominant offering and they struggle sometimes.

856
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: I think the opposite of Spencer Schwellenbach might be Dylan

857
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: Ceese where he does not have command and he's kind

858
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: of a two pitch guy and it can work out well.

859
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: We've all seen Dylan Cees when he's at his worst.

860
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: It's almost like a like Dylan Ceas might be a

861
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: best ball guy where it's like you want him at

862
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: his best and you don't want him at his worst,

863
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: you know, whereas Schwanebach is gonna be really like I

864
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: think solid all the way through and I think there

865
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: might be some that research by Baseball perspectives about their

866
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: arsenal metrics and drive line has suggested that we sometimes

867
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: underproject guys that have this ability. It's Seth Lugo last year.

868
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: It's you Darvish at his best. You know, just a

869
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: bunch of pitches keeping the hitter off of the off balance.

870
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: The projections for Schwembacher kind of mediocre three six' five

871
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: three seven oh. Era but if they're off just a

872
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: little bit and it's more like a three five or

873
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: a three, four and he kind of repeats what he

874
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: did last. YEAR i mean he was last, Year uh

875
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: he was the let's see, Here i've got him as

876
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: the what's that forty six because he only had another

877
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 2: twenty three innings, Three so you, know if he does

878
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: that same thing over again with one hundred and seventy,

879
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: INNINGS i, MEAN i think this is somebody that could

880
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: easily jump into the top, fifteen and he may just

881
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: stay there because he would have some things in common

882
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: with like A George, kirby right elite command with a

883
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: great big. Arsenal and you, KNOW i think he's.

884
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: Great and it's funny you say that because Like i've

885
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: Liken schwellenbach to like everything you like About Brian, wu

886
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: but now take more strikeouts and there are more pitches

887
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: to go back. On The other thing is if you

888
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: were to run the second half of the. Season his

889
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: first forty four, innings they were, okay they were. Fine

890
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: it was A i mean great four to. FOUR era

891
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: had a one to one six whip you, know decent.

892
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: Numbers he only walked ten in those forty by striking

893
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: out forty. One but in the second half seventy, nine

894
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: the second the last seventy nine innings of the, season

895
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: he had a two point seven. THREE era walked only

896
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: thirteen in those final seventy nine innings while striking more

897
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: than per inning. Pitched SO i think there's just, LIKE

898
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: i don't use this saying a Lot bogman uses, it

899
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of meat on the. BONE i

900
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: think the baseline is that thirty. RANGE i feel pretty

901
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: safe about getting in that, thirty BUT i think the

902
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: top end could be inside the top, twenty especially if

903
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: he does progress some of the.

904
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: UPSIDE i think you're, like, well this sounds like a

905
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: really polished. Guy he's got a bunch of. Pitches he

906
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: got a. Command where's the? Upside you, know where where

907
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: is the elite? Pitch what's the new? Thing what's what

908
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: could he come to camp and talk? About you, KNOW

909
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: i would say it's a splitter BECAUSE i talked to

910
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: him about. It and one of the things that Makes

911
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: swambat good is that he throws from almost like A

912
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: Michael given, slot like he's kind of out here like,

913
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: that like a short. Stop he's a former short, stop

914
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: throws someone like a short stoppy. Slot but he gets

915
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: right on his, fastball so it's a deceptive. Fastball he

916
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: has really good feel of the curve and the, slider

917
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: and he throws his fastball with a little bit of

918
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: cut on. Purpose so he says that he spends his

919
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: bullpen and The braves only spend twelve pitches per. Bullpen you,

920
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: know they throw twelve to fourteen pitches per. Bullpen that's.

921
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: It so he spends his bullpen just throwing like a

922
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: couple fastballs and then all breaking balls to keep them,

923
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: separate because this is the cut, fastball this is the

924
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: you know WHAT i. Mean he has to do all them.

925
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: Separate and he says he never throws the splitter in the.

926
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: Bullpen WHAT i hear from that is over time he's

927
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: just going to get better at the splitter because he

928
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: has to throw out in. Games he has to go

929
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: out and actually compete in the game and throw the.

930
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: Splitter and the more he does, that the more he

931
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: feel for.

932
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: It, yeah and we've seen splitters unlock a lot for

933
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot of different players this past. SEASON i, mean

934
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: Obviously Hunter, green it wasn't even necessarily to a strikeout,

935
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: ratio but it helped his ra and so Low. ERA

936
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: i Like Spencer, schwellenbach and that is why it takes

937
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: us to the final. Territory can you really have a

938
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: sleeper in the top? Thirty maybe not necessarily but for

939
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: thee but for the fundsies of. It since we do

940
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: do this on the pitching, guides we're going to pick a.

941
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: Sleeper we're going to pick a bust in the top

942
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: thirty and a guy that you must. HAVE i do

943
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: want you to go, First but since we just did,

944
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: It i'm just gonna get it over with because when

945
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: we talk about the, sleeper that is my. Sleeper it

946
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: Is Spencer. Schwellenbach so we just kind of gave a

947
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: good conversation around. Him he is. THIRTY i think there

948
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: is more. UPSIDE i do think there's some interesting names in.

949
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: Here the way we would use sleeper, obviously would just

950
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: be a guy that has a decent chance to up

951
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: their value based on where they're being, drafted that their

952
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: production could get them quite a bit. Higher AND i

953
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: think this range has quite a few of those. Names Spencer,

954
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: Schwellenbach Tyler, glass Now Logan, webb even though he's kind

955
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: of being drafted at twenty. One is mentioned quite a

956
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: few players that fall into, That But Spencer schwellenbach would

957
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: be my sleeper of the top. Thirty you know who

958
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: is your sleeper BECAUSE i know you've mentioned him once,

959
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: before and this is an opportunity to break down this

960
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: guy a little.

961
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: Bit Grayson rodriguez is my. GUY i think he's just

962
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: about ready to bust into the. Stratosphere WHAT i like

963
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: about him is he's already done something, Good like we're

964
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: not asking him to come from nothing to do something

965
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: he's never done. Before he's been good for. Stretches another

966
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: thing that he's shown us is his change up is

967
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: really good and his fastball is really. Good so that's

968
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: a good foundation for getting lefties out and lo and

969
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: behold you, look he's got some reverse split, action like

970
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: in terms of his platoon. Splits he's had a little

971
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: bit of a harder time getting. Right he's out and

972
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: so you're, like well he the slide looks. Okay he's

973
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: got a. Curveball, hey he's coming to camp with a.

974
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: Sweeper so between those three breaking, BALLS i think he's

975
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: going to find what it takes to get. Right he's

976
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: out at the same clip that he gets lefties out

977
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: with that amazing change. Up it's a really good, fastball

978
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 2: WHICH i said when we were talking About Garrett. Cole

979
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: starting with a really good fastball is going to change

980
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: everything about what you do in the future and how you.

981
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: Age SO i just love. This we've got a guy

982
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: WHO i think he's going to get past that injury last.

983
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: Year he did enough innings last year where he can

984
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: throw one hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty hundred

985
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: and seventy innings this. Year they won't bat an. Eyelash

986
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: they need him also from a team, perspective they need

987
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: him to kind of become the. Ace is this is

988
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: what they. Did they didn't get an ace.

989
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: Like they brought an E flyn that was, it, Right.

990
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah and you can Like, sugano but he's not an.

991
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: Ace he throws like ninety, one so you, know And

992
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: eflyn throws ninety. One so who's the guy who throws

993
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: hard and has a bunch of, pitches who can be

994
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: dominant on the mound and was one of the best

995
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: pitching prospects of his. Time It's Grayson, rodriguez AND i

996
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: think this is year he puts it.

997
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: Together they need a dog And grayson's that dog man for.

998
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: Sure All, right we're busting a top thirty, pitcher so

999
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: who are you gonna put us a bust in the top?

1000
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: Thirty this one was really easy for. Me Bailey ober

1001
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 2: does not have a pitch that is over one hundred.

1002
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: Stuff plus he HAS i think poor. Stuff how does

1003
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: he get these strikeout? Rates and he throws his fastball

1004
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: hind in the zone with great, command and he does

1005
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: have a pretty good change. Up but that fastball is ninety,

1006
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: poo it's Not it's not ninety, five is not ninety.

1007
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: Six it's it's like barely it's like ninety, one you,

1008
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 2: know like league average. FASTBALL i don't know if people notice.

1009
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: It it used to be eighty nine ninety when we

1010
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: started tracking. It last year it's over ninety four and

1011
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: even for starters now it's ninety three.

1012
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: Six when was This when did you start? Tracking when

1013
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: was this start?

1014
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: Tracking you mean two thousand and.

1015
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: Seven so we've moved what four and a half to

1016
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: five miles per hour in IF i can do, math eighteen.

1017
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: Years and don't believe anybody who tells you that it's

1018
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: because the technology has. Changed the technology has not. Changed

1019
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: the where we track the ball has not. Changed everything's

1020
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: been the same since two thousand and, seven two thousand and,

1021
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: eight and we've gone from eighty nine to nine to

1022
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: ninety four to.

1023
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: One, okay my pitcher in there, actually SO i did

1024
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: wait that for.

1025
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: Over that Means homer's for. Over that means and we've seen.

1026
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: It he's got a lot Of. Homers even if he

1027
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: can keep the whip down, low it's going to be

1028
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: a three nine. Era that's that's HOW i see.

1029
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: It, yeah and it's it's so fascinating too to have

1030
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: all those twins guys in. There he's the kind of

1031
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: LEAST i have interest in because he gets the most.

1032
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: Buzz you Get, pablo you Get, Joe, ryan you Get.

1033
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: Ober ober's really getting pushed. Up AND i mean he

1034
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: made this, list he was.

1035
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: IN i cannot believe he's Above Joe ryan because you

1036
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: didn't Say Joe ryan's.

1037
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: NAME i did not Say Joe. Ryan Joe ryan did

1038
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: not make this top thirty go ahead Of joe RYAND i.

1039
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: Like Joe ryan much better Than bailey over.

1040
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: Much he has the third highest, no the second highest.

1041
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: Variance if you're looking at highs and lows of where

1042
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: they're ranked versus the lowest. Bay the lowest is Actually,

1043
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: schwellenbach who the lowest rank. Has someone has him at

1044
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: forty SIX, sp but they have him at. Fifteen ober

1045
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: has a high of twenty but a low of forty.

1046
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: Two so there's also some variants in.

1047
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: It let me. SEE i don't Think i'm necessarily in.

1048
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: Those let me just see Where i've Got ober real.

1049
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: Quick i'm waiting to hear like fifty two fifty. Five oh,

1050
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: YEAH i was, joking, Joking oh you destroyed. Him all,

1051
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: Right well we got exactly what the comments section is

1052
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: going to.

1053
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: Be, YEAH i love that.

1054
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: One oh, man all, right my bust in this range

1055
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: is going to Be Max. FREED i don't have a

1056
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: ton of interest In Max, freed even THOUGH i will,

1057
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: say you, know one hundred and seventy plus innings two

1058
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: of the last three years he did have a three

1059
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: two FIVE, era but we had a declining strikeout. Rate

1060
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: walks were the fourth highest of his, career but more,

1061
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: importantly the highest over the last four. Years expected era

1062
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: closer to around three, seven giving up some more, barrels

1063
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: giving up some more. Contact and now he's going into

1064
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: this hitter friendly environment and a really tough. Division he's

1065
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: getting pushed up in. Ranks i'm just not overtly, excited

1066
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: AND i don't think he's going to crack the top

1067
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: the top thirty. Though the thing is IS i wouldn't

1068
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: be surprised if he goes in and he has a

1069
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: nice little stretch where he pushes, off you, know some

1070
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: really really big. Month But i'm worried he's going to

1071
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: get banged up a little. Bit the walks definitely have

1072
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: me concerned with the lower strikeout. Rate if you're gonna

1073
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: give me higher, walks you need to give me high your.

1074
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: STRIKEOUTS i can't have both working in that opposite. Direction

1075
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: half a run expected era, Difference Max freed is my.

1076
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Bus you'd kind of mentioned. Him did you have just

1077
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: quick anecdotal anything On Max freed push back on me on.

1078
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: NO i tend to agree with. YOU i THINK I

1079
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: h'm a little lower than most. People and you know

1080
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: another thing that you know that went up with the strikeout.

1081
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: Rate the strikeout rate went up with the V lo over.

1082
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: Time and so you, know the league average strikeout rate

1083
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: this last year was twenty two point six percent And

1084
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: Max freed's at twenty three. Percent so that's actually a

1085
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: league average strikeout. Rate you have to kind of redo

1086
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: that in your. Mind if you've been watching, BASEBALL i

1087
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 2: think about baseball for a, while you would never look

1088
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 2: at him and, say, oh that's. Average but the strikeout, right.

1089
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: And the walk rate maintains, too that's worse than league. Average.

1090
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: Yeah and also if you think about fantasy like we.

1091
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: Don't we're not actually concerned with like a large part

1092
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: of the pitching, population like the bottom twenty five percent.

1093
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: Leak we don't really want them.

1094
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: All get the percentage of like the startable fantasy, assets

1095
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: and it's probably like that Twenty, yeah that's probably like

1096
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: twenty four and a half percent or something something close to.

1097
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: There final, one this is the last bad boy that

1098
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: we're going to talk. About and guess. What this is

1099
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: the picture in the top thirty that we said you must,

1100
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: have and all of the top thirty was on the,

1101
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: table and guess, what you? Know AND i picked the same,

1102
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: guy so you, KNOW i will let you do the.

1103
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: Honors who is the picture we both say you must.

1104
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: Have, yeah he's got one of the best fastballs in the,

1105
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: league and he's developing into a four or five pitch mixed.

1106
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: Guy and he's projected to have a thirty two percent

1107
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: strikeout rate and a two point EIGHTY Ra and his

1108
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: name Is Garrett.

1109
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: Crouchet we talked a lot about. Him we're drafting. HIM

1110
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: i have a lot of shares on. HIM i love

1111
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: the strike up. Potential don't be shocked when he leads the.

1112
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: League there's a little betting pros anecdotal for. You and

1113
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: really at the end of the we're gonna just have

1114
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: to see what the ballpark. Does but there's a lot

1115
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: of offensive support. There Love bregman being. There we both

1116
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: say the. Picture even though he is inside the top,

1117
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: TEN i think we both have him as a top.

1118
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: Five we Say Garrett crochet is your must have. Picture

1119
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: ladies and. Gentlemen those are the top thirty of the,

1120
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: guide The Starting Pitcher guide that must have who you draft,

1121
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: in who should you? Avoid we got you. Covered now

1122
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: we only covered, thirty so where are the? Others? Well

1123
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: guess what coming up on the next Episode his podcast,

1124
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: mate Mister Nick pollock is going to be grilled By

1125
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: Joe pizzapia for part two and then it's going to

1126
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: culminate To Joe alrico Putting Eno sirius And Nick pollock

1127
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: to the test in eightyp. Battles so we signed you

1128
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: guys up for a. Week we planned, it but it's

1129
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: like we were really slick and we had a great,

1130
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: idea but not Quite but you, KNOW i love, you,

1131
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: Brother thank you so much for hanging. Out everybody's got

1132
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: to go check out all the great. Stuff rates and.

1133
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: BARRELS i believe is going to five days a. Week

1134
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: you guys are ticking back. UP i know you were

1135
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: working on an article right before this was coming. Up

1136
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: any pitching related things to plug to? ANYBODY i know you.

1137
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: Were, yeah, Tomorrow i've got three pitches THAT i think

1138
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: could mean a lot to break. Out three pitchers that

1139
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: could use these pitches to Break out and it's part

1140
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: of a collaboration Between Eric simolski And Lance brawsdowski And

1141
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 2: Nick pollock AND. I so you're gonna see a very

1142
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: similar piece on all of our sites and we're gonna

1143
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: link to each other so you can kind of peruse

1144
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: all the most important pitches that you should be watching this. Spring.

1145
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: Incredible i'm gonna lock down those are my favorite. People

1146
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: you're just putting together all my favorite. People you know

1147
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: you are one of my. Favorite thank you so much

1148
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: for hanging out with. Us and thank you for all

1149
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: hanging out with. Us who's your favorite? Pitcher your sleeper

1150
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: you must? Have who did you hate on this? List

1151
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: are you gonna yell At eno About Bailey? Over we'll

1152
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: do it in the. Comments don't do it anywhere. Else

1153
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: you can do it in the, comments drop them below

1154
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: and guess what that might even win You That Billy

1155
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: wagner signed autograph. Ball so get on on it right

1156
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: now For Ineno. SARRUS i Am Chris. Welsh thank you

1157
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: so much for hanging out with us On The Ultimate Pitching,

1158
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: Guide part. One we'll talk to you next time right

1159
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,320
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1160
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,560
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1161
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