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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer, all mission control decant. Most importantly, you are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. A former Darlena of New York Politics just

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Speaker 1: got caught selling pardons for two million a pop. Probably

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Speaker 1: heard about that people are intentionally crashing planes and they're

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Speaker 1: not doing it as an act of terrorism. There is

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Speaker 1: a very gruesome story we're going to get to on

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Speaker 1: the African continent. We will give you a heads up

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Speaker 1: before we get into it and may not be appropriate

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Speaker 1: for all audience members. But before we do any of that,

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Speaker 1: I think we're traveling to Utah, which is a there's

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Speaker 1: some beautiful parts of Utah in one a few years back.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're actually, I mean, it's really all over the

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Speaker 3: world is where we're traveling, but Utah is probably the

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Speaker 3: center of today's story that we're going to start with. Guys,

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Speaker 3: we've talked about religion and money on this show before.

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Speaker 3: Most often, I think we reference it when we talk

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Speaker 3: about either the Vatican in the Catholic Church or the

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Speaker 3: Church of Scientology. I know we've discussed that before too,

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Speaker 3: just trying to estimate how much money those organizations have

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Speaker 3: and how they get that money, what they do with

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Speaker 3: that money after it comes to them. And I guess

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Speaker 3: let's start here by giving some estimates, some guestimates on

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Speaker 3: the wealth of different religions. So if we just look

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Speaker 3: at the Church of Scientology, if you google around to

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Speaker 3: be worth right now, at least on paper, not necessarily

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Speaker 3: in some holding account somewhere, right just on paper, it

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Speaker 3: appears that the Church of Scientology is worth several billion

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Speaker 3: dollars that includes, I mean, you know, in the estimates

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Speaker 3: context of the Rudy Giuliani story you just mentioned, there're

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Speaker 3: been given away two million dollar pardons, which you know too. Well,

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Speaker 3: you're right, let's say negotiating two million dollar pardons, which

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Speaker 3: two million dollars is a lot of money, feels like

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Speaker 3: just realize, wow, that's a lot of money. So let's

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Speaker 3: jump to another one, the Vatican, the Catholic Church. It's

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Speaker 3: estimated to be somewhere in the order of eighty billion dollars,

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Speaker 3: maybe seventy to eighty billion dollars, which is again a

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Speaker 3: that have that kind of wealth. Are there many? Not? Really?

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Speaker 3: There are a couple individuals that have skyrocketed up to

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Speaker 3: the one that I the version that caught my attention

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Speaker 3: Gloria Ola Depot I believe is how you would say that.

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Speaker 3: It was written on May fifteenth of this year, and

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Speaker 3: the title is this the Mormon Church has one hundred

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Speaker 3: whistle blower. Okay, so this story actually goes way back

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Speaker 3: and some of you are probably already going, hey, this

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Speaker 3: is an older story. It is, but it's really come

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Speaker 3: a segment, let's say, about this specific story where this

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Speaker 3: what's going on. And ultimately the takeaway is whether or

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Speaker 3: not you believe this individual whistle blower who was deep

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Speaker 3: the Mormon Church. So here we go. This person, his

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Speaker 3: a lot in many religions about the end times, right,

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Speaker 3: of whatever apocalypse is within the scripture that you adhere to.

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Speaker 3: In my mind, this is just my personal take on

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Speaker 3: the whole thing. It feels like building up the bank

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Speaker 4: I just could be it could be just some other

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that's completely reasonable. I do believe

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Speaker 1: the separation of church and state is incredibly important. But

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm also aware of the hypocrisy inherent in what

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Speaker 1: I'm about to say. I do think religious organization should

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Speaker 1: because the other thing they benefit from, like any other organization,

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Speaker 1: they benefit a great deal from infrastructure, right from organization.

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Speaker 1: You know, Uh, churches need believers and those believers are

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Speaker 1: active members of an economy. So I to me it

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Speaker 1: makes sense. But also I feel like we all knew

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Speaker 1: about the Church of the Latter Day Saints, enormous genealogical database,

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Speaker 1: because that's ten percent from everybody. That's a ton of money.

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Speaker 1: But they also aren't necessarily doing any through anything wrong

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Speaker 1: just by having their members tithe, unless they start obscuring

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Speaker 1: the shell game and stuff, and that I think that's correct.

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Speaker 3: Me.

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Speaker 1: If I'm wrong, you're Matt. But that's what the whistleblower

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's the old story, the old stories taxories.

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Speaker 1: The old stories taxes. But this one is this one

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Speaker 1: gets into shell companies, gets into stuff that we would

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Speaker 4: Money laundering.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's get into those numbers. So according to the Guardian,

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Speaker 3: I've been looking at today, there's an estimated seven billion

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Speaker 3: Christ of Latter day Saints every year through their seventeen

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Speaker 3: incredible amount of money and when you're bringing that money

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Speaker 3: because you may be using that money for other things

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Speaker 3: that would require that taxes be paid for it, right,

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Speaker 3: all kinds of rules that deal with like how any

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think since the gush in the age of the

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Speaker 1: United States has simply assumed that the truly wealthy do

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Speaker 1: business to move these things around. And you know, we

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Speaker 1: also see that the current finds or punishments for avoiding

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Speaker 4: Not to mention, we've had some pretty high profile figures,

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Speaker 4: let's just say, without naming names, kind of just bragging

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Speaker 4: about all those things that you're talking about, Ben So

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Speaker 4: where that might have been an open secret before, it's

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Speaker 1: Do we know what the what the consequences might be

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Speaker 5: I just you know what I can I ask you

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Speaker 5: one thing, Matt, being that you know this church is

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Speaker 5: perhaps prepping for an apocalypse, you know, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: Are there limits to what they can do with this

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Speaker 4: are there expectations reasonable expectations from the Tithers as to

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Speaker 4: what their money is going to be used for. No.

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Speaker 3: I mean no, you're giving money to an organization that

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Speaker 3: not that they're being secret because there's you know, it's

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Speaker 3: on things like dogma, right, like what is actually what

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Speaker 3: are we actually going with as the story of this

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Speaker 3: group receiving prophecies? Right, Yeah, that's all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do think we should point out though, because

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Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to mistake this for us dunking

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Speaker 1: cross platform and so we're not dunking on the Latter

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Speaker 1: day Saints whatsoever. We've got friends who are in the church,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, like you said, Matt, the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of people there are just living their lives

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Speaker 1: like anyone else, and they are paying a tithe. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the big criticisms is they're saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: That's that's what interests me. Do they feel that they've

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Speaker 3: And just to end here, guys, it's no surprise that

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Speaker 1: Why not a yeah? And also they do have great marketing.

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Speaker 1: This story takes place in Khlifi, Kenya. You may not

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Speaker 1: This has been brewing for quite some time. Like as

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Speaker 1: This was a relatively new organization. It was founded about

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Speaker 1: family with the idea of yourself if you're the cult leader.

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Speaker 1: And anyway, so something was coming, is what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, like Korreesh style, there was something that

439
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: was going to culminate. And in the early weeks of

440
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: April this year, a guy contacted the police saying, hey,

441
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: my daughter left Nairobi to join this commune and she

442
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: hasn't come back. And the police arrived to investigate. That's

443
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: when they discovered absolutely terrible, terrible things. A lot of

444
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: people were dead in shallow graves, and a lot of

445
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: people were on the brink of starvation because allegedly McKenzie

446
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: had been escalating, just like a Korreesha of Manson. Really,

447
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: he had been escalating his demands and the extremity of

448
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: his worldview, and he told his followers that they had

449
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: to starve themselves in mass to meet Jesus. Two hundred

450
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: and one people died. He's got some now itx Joanes

451
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: New World Order stuff in there too. You know, the US,

452
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: the United Nations, the Catholic Church, tools of Satan. They

453
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Speaker 1: are always preparing for the end time. But starving yourself

454
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Speaker 1: is not the way to be prepared.

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Speaker 4: No, it's the opposite. Ben you mentioned the whole siloing

456
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 4: of information about knowledge being or I think Matt you

457
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: mentioned knowledge being controlled by some evil entities. Does that

458
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: come down to some sort of like strict constructionist view

459
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Speaker 4: of like the Book of Genesis, you know, where the

460
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: tree of knowledge and the you know, the snake representing

461
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: the devil tempting Eve with the apple of knowledge and

462
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: all of that. I just, I mean, maybe I'm reaching there,

463
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Speaker 4: but it just it just seems like maybe like a

464
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: super strict constructionist view of like that very thing, Like, no,

465
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Speaker 4: you can't directly partake of this knowledge. It is only

466
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: for me to divvy out.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm going to be extremely candid here this may

468
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: offend some people. Honestly, cult leaders pick and choose whatever,

469
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: like they have their pre existing aims. Usually they want

470
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: exclusive sexual access to whatever kind of individual they're interested in.

471
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: They want to be the only source of attention, love,

472
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: emotive things, the only source of knowledge, and so on

473
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: and the Bible or the religious scripture. Any tone that

474
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Speaker 1: they use is only useful insofar as it supports those

475
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Speaker 1: pre existing aims. So they can take, like I like

476
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: your example, Genesis, they can what they have taken Genesis

477
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: and done something like that. Why possibly. But if there's

478
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Speaker 1: another verse that just helps them do whatever they want

479
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Speaker 1: to do, that.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon steers their narrative.

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Speaker 1: They're just going to use that and pretend that that's

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Speaker 1: what happens. You can hear some absolutely disgusting stuff from

483
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: David Koresh's eight out eight plus hour long speeches where

484
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: he is trying to rationalize the sexual abuse that he

485
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: is inflicting upon the community, including the children. This guy's

486
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: no different. They're all variations on a theme, but they're

487
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: the same genre of music.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I think this has more to do with Revelation though

490
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Speaker 3: than any other book of the Bible, Like what are

491
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Speaker 3: the prophecies of the end times and how they're coming about,

492
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Speaker 3: and what are the signs within that scripture that match

493
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Speaker 3: up with things that are happening in the real world today,

494
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Speaker 3: or at least seem to match up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there are a couple of other a couple

496
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Speaker 1: of other religious organizations in this part of the world

497
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Speaker 1: and thinking of things like the Church of Revelation and

498
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: so on. End time, Protestant based churches and cults are

499
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Speaker 1: very popular.

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Speaker 3: Ben, do you mind if we get back to that

501
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: two hundred one bodies thing you're talking about. Well, well,

502
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Speaker 3: first of all, I think that's just how many have

503
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Speaker 3: been recovered thus far.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's still going on. They're quite likely more because

505
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: there's a litany of missing people, folks whose parents can't

506
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: get in contact with them for one reason or another.

507
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: So it gets it gets pretty rough. We also know

508
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: that the police have recently claimed some of the bodies

509
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: they did recover were missing organs, and Kenyan authorities currently

510
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: believe that these organs were being harvested and sold. You

511
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: can read a write up of this in the Citizen.

512
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: Just search online for Shakahola massacre. And it gets worse

513
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: because people were spreading these rumors and they may be true,

514
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: but now the Kenyan government is in full damage control mode.

515
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: The Interior Cabinet secretary came out just a few days

516
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: ago and said these claims of organ harvesting are not

517
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: true and they're still fighting it. But it seems like

518
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: the locals and people in the area absolutely do believe

519
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: it's true. We should note, obviously, Paul McKenzie as the

520
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: cult leader, like all cult leaders are want to be,

521
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, spiritual dictators. He was very much a do

522
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: what I say, don't expect me to walk the walk

523
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: kind of dude. He did not starve himself. He has

524
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: been arrested by authorities, so he's currently in jail for

525
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: inciting children to starve themselves to death. He's facing charges

526
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: of terrorism, murder, kidnapping, cruelty towards children. We don't know

527
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: how this is all going to play out, but depending

528
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: on how the courts choose to prosecute it, they could

529
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: prosecute this guy's a mass murderer. And the question is

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Speaker 1: do you think they should Yes.

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Speaker 4: I also don't think Hollywood should make this into a

532
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: mini series, but I'm pretty sure they will.

533
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: And additionally, there was another leader, pastor Ezekiel o'dero, of

534
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: a completely different organization, the New Life Church. He was

535
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: arrested last week on suspicion of a mass killing of

536
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: his own followers. This is quite a disturbing This is

537
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: quite a disturbing trend, and it's not I mean, New

538
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: York Times did do a piece on this, but these

539
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: kind of organizations are dangerous and there are many, many

540
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: more out there than ever make the news. The number

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Speaker 1: would surprise and disturb most of us. So we're going

542
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Speaker 1: to wrap this up. I do think we have another

543
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Speaker 1: cults you never heard of episode on the way. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, would love your helpful conspiracy realist. Let us

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Speaker 1: know some cults that you have personally encountered that you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen in the headlines, especially if you believe they

547
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Speaker 1: may be dangerous. Because we want to spread the word.

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Speaker 4: And we're back with today's final piece of strange news.

555
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Speaker 4: And this one's a doozy. It's got all the all

556
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: the hits, conspiracy cover up, social media, megalomania run amuck.

557
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: Let's just jump right into it, skydive right into it.

558
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: The individual in question today, Trevor Jacob twenty nine years

559
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 4: old of Lumpoc, California, which I'd never heard of until

560
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 4: looking into this story, has been brought up on charges

561
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: obstructing federal investigation pertaining to a YouTube video that he

562
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Speaker 4: made about a year ago. Trevor Jacobs Trevor Daniel Jacobs

563
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 4: was a professional was is whatever, a professional snowboarder. He

564
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 4: was actually in the Sochi Olympics and has since seemingly

565
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 4: pivoted to sort of YouTube adventure type videos, like the

566
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Speaker 4: kind of like stuff you see on like I used

567
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: to see on Red Bull a lot, you know, like skydiving, paragliding,

568
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: flying planes, doing stunts, all that kind of stuff. And

569
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Speaker 4: you know, as we know, folks like that the Red

570
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Speaker 4: Bull case in point, like to get sponsorships and content

571
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Speaker 4: creators on YouTube. You know, they do not make their

572
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Speaker 4: money by YouTube monetization alone. Because I think the metric

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Speaker 4: there is I don't know if it's changed, but I

574
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Speaker 4: was always told it was something in the neighborhood of

575
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Speaker 4: a million views is a little less than one thousand dollars,

576
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Speaker 4: you know, the way it adds up. I think it's

577
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Speaker 4: maybe the whatever it's called, the CPM, I think is

578
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Speaker 4: something in the neighborhood of like five to six dollars,

579
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Speaker 4: so perly is like a thousand views that gives you

580
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: about five bucks. So's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, from experience, we can confirm that I always found

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Speaker 1: the idea of YouTube millionaires to be a no disrespect,

583
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a legit way to make a living.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You used to find it to be a bit laughable.

586
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Speaker 4: And you've got you've got your beauty pies and your

587
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: you know whoever that other guy ister beasts and all

588
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 4: of that, who had who get just gajillions of views

589
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: by doing these crazy stunts. So, of course, because it's

590
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Speaker 4: such a select few of the folks that actually command

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00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 4: that kind of money, uh from you know, not to

592
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 4: mention their sponsorships, but just from like YouTube views alone,

593
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Speaker 4: it's kind of created this pretty toxic culture of people

594
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Speaker 4: trying to mimic that, you know, to do everything they

595
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Speaker 4: can to reach that height of YouTube stardom. And that

596
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 4: is unfortunately the case with with mister Jacob here, Trevor Jacob.

597
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 4: He there's a there's is a really interesting story. This

598
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: took place over a year ago. But this investigation by

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Speaker 4: the FAA, or actually more specifically the Central District of California,

600
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Speaker 4: the United States Attorney's Office of the Central District California.

601
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: This investigation is just now kind of has come to

602
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Speaker 4: light in terms of like releasing the information to the public.

603
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: He has pled guilty to the substruction charge. So let's

604
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: just kind of go through it from the star. Basically,

605
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 4: what happened is this guy bought a nineteen forties aircraft.

606
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Speaker 4: And it's really neat because if you watch the video

607
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Speaker 4: of him doing this thing where he's flying this plane allegedly.

608
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Speaker 4: I don't want to like totally for this guy on

609
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Speaker 4: the bus, but he claims that he's going to paraglide

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Speaker 4: on this particular cliff, this particular spot, and he has

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Speaker 4: the ashes of a fellow YouTube adventurer buddy of his

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Speaker 4: with him, and he says, Okay, I'm gonna take this plane,

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Speaker 4: go to the spot paraglide and my buddy's honor and

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00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 4: scatter his ashes conveniently covered by multiple angles mounted on

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Speaker 4: the plane, mounted on his person, mounted on what ultimately

616
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: ends up being his skydiving set up. He flies a plane.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, the engine is died, the engine has failed,

618
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Speaker 4: and then he proceeds to say, oh out loud, very conspicuously.

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Speaker 4: There's nowhere for me to land. I got to bail out.

620
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Speaker 4: So he jumps out of the plane, free falls for

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Speaker 4: an absurdly long time while holding a selfie stick no less,

622
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Speaker 4: and then he kind of curves around in such a

623
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Speaker 4: way where he gets the footage of the plane crashing

624
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: and stuff like, it's all just too good. It's like

625
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: this cinematic you know, really is. Then once he lands,

626
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: he stumbles through all this brush and he's like, ah raw,

627
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 4: he was making real hay of it. And he doesn't

628
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Speaker 4: go looking for like some sort of help or station,

629
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Speaker 4: of some sort of ranger station. I'm not you know,

630
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly what you'd be looking for. This

631
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: is very much wilderness. He hikes back to the site

632
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: of the crash, and he claims that he's doing it

633
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: once again conspicuously, kind of out loud, because he thought

634
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 4: he had some water in there. But all of these

635
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: intrepid YouTubers that have been dissecting this video for a

636
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: year's time, there's tons of him. They almost have more

637
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: hits even than his video. I think he's racked up

638
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Speaker 4: about of four million hits. But now it's really become

639
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Speaker 4: just this whole like dissecting like what is real, what

640
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: is theater kind of aspect of this, and these are

641
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: all like varying degrees of professional aviators, you know that

642
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 4: are saying, Ah, it's kind of weird that he opened

643
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Speaker 4: the door before he said how loud, that he was

644
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: having engine trouble. That's that's something that's cited in the

645
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: press release from the attorney's office. Huh, why does he

646
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: have a fire extinguisher stuffed into his pant leg?

647
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: Hmm?

648
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 4: Why is he carrying a glock that's strapped to his chest?

649
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 4: You know, so it is legal.

650
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Speaker 1: It is illegal to purposely crash a planet circumstances.

651
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Speaker 4: It's well, the felony here is the obstruction part. I

652
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: think I was one of the YouTube guys whose name

653
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: is escaping Me but really really really interesting went through

654
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 4: the video kind of like you know, frame by frame.

655
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: He pointed out that if a crash happens and the

656
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: plane is unmanned, it's in this weird gray area where

657
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: it's like it's is it an incident? Is it a crash?

658
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: Is it an accident? Like there's all these terms that

659
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 4: like aviation lawyers and like, you know, the proceedings around

660
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: these kinds of things use. He apparently didn't think he

661
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: had to even report it to the FAA. He was

662
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: informed by some colleagues or folks you know, at the

663
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 4: airport where he uses there in Lompoc where he took

664
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: off from that he definitely definitely did so. Two days

665
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 4: later he reported to the FAA and they launched an investigation.

666
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 4: All the while there's these folks he's put this video out.

667
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: It's like, by the way, this is all I mentioned.

668
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: The whole sponsorship thing. He this thing most sponsored by

669
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: like a company that makes this like kind of rugged

670
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 4: wilderness wallet. And the very first thing he done was

671
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: before he takes off, is flash this wallet and do

672
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 4: his little plug you know for this wallet. Yeah, And

673
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 4: basically what it amounts to is in the press release,

674
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 4: they say that when they contacted him the FAA to

675
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: you know, conduct, to get his cooperation to conduct the investigation,

676
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: he was asked where the coordinates of the flight the

677
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 4: crash site were. He said he didn't know. He said

678
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: he couldn't find it, he didn't know where it was.

679
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: But then it was determined that he definitely knew where

680
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 4: it was. It's in the video he said he couldn't

681
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: find it again. I guess he went back there with

682
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: a helicopter that he hired and scooped up the wreckage

683
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 4: of the plane, took it back to the airport, dismantled it,

684
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: and then disposed of it in various dumpsters, you know,

685
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 4: around the airport. And like, I just don't understand why

686
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 4: he would have done that. Uh, it just you know,

687
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: he went back to the plane. It's in the video.

688
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: He obviously needed to recover the memory cards, you know,

689
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: from those cameras. And when you watch the footage, like

690
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: it's it's alternating between like multiple angles and then like

691
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: he but one of the big things that comes up

692
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: in the commentary around this from other pilots is like,

693
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: it makes no sense that he would have hiked back

694
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: to the plane. That makes no sense. It's just like,

695
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: that's not what you would have done, Ben, I see

696
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 4: you not because you're you're a go back guy. You're

697
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: like a prep kind of minded guy. You were a

698
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 4: boy scout. You wouldn't do that. That would be a

699
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: dangerous thing to do.

700
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: Well, Uh, it makes sense to go to the crash site.

701
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: If you're an unfamiliar territory, you want to be where

702
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: you can see our troubles are. No, you want to

703
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: not the Cheers theme song.

704
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

705
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: If you are in a in an airplane crash and

706
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to survive, you you probably do want

707
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: to stick by the crash site if possible, because that's

708
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: where the authorities are most likely going to find you.

709
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: If it's something inhospitable, like crashing over open water, then

710
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: you're just going to have to try to get to

711
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: land because open water also is not the best unless

712
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: you have some kind of flotation device. I think what

713
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: sticks out here is that this guy didn't know what

714
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: he was doing. Clearly, he knew a little bit about

715
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: how this would get a lot of engagement a plane crash,

716
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: but it sounds like he didn't even know it was illegal,

717
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: and then when he did learn it was illegal, he

718
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: tried to cover it up, but just not too well.

719
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: You know.

720
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good point, Ben. I think you

721
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 4: know some of the folks that found it suspicious that

722
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: he returned to the crash site. There's one YouTuber. Let

723
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 4: me see if I can find it, because it was

724
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: very very good. He actually used a lot of like

725
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: Google Earth. There's a thing called Google Earth Studio that

726
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: I was unaware of where you can like recreate certain conditions,

727
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: you know, with the sun and all that stuff, retrace

728
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 4: certain paths. And this guy, YouTuber Jeff Harris kind of

729
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 4: traced the path of his flight, you know, what time

730
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 4: he took off based on where the sun was, and

731
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 4: then the trajectory of his landing, and realized that there's

732
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 4: all this stuff that doesn't line up with the timing

733
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: that he claims. And he thinks that he went to

734
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: the site multiple times to stage the footage of him, like, oh,

735
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: I'm hiking to the site. Oh no, I mean the

736
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: brambles raw, And like he even points out that he

737
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: has a different growth of stubble in certain shots, you know,

738
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 4: Like he did this over the course of several visits.

739
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 4: There's even like one shot where they highlight somebody maybe

740
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: in the background. You know, like he did this with intent.

741
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: You know, like obviously whether he knew it was illegal

742
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 4: or not, you know, is debatable, but like he the

743
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 4: only reason he would have hiked back to the crash.

744
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: Your point is absolutely validant. And he makes it real

745
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: clear out loud, Oh I had to get the water.

746
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: There was water in here. But like he even changed

747
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: his trajectory of his pair shoot landing in such a

748
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: way that he could get the best footage, like of

749
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: the air, of the overhead of the plane. And at

750
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: one point he's using a selfie stick with a go

751
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 4: pro camera. On the other hand, he's got his iPhone.

752
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like, this guy's in it for

753
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 4: the footage, and it's very clear all of these other

754
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: YouTubers are pointing all this stuff out, so it's just wild.

755
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: For four million views, roughly four thousand dollars, this guy's

756
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: facing twenty years in federal prison.

757
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: He'll probably only have to serve a percentage of that.

758
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 4: I think the fact that he copped a plea, or

759
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: that he entered a plea of guilty was probably with that.

760
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 4: There was some you know, understanding of leniency to some degree.

761
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: But I don't think he was expecting any of this

762
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 4: at all. To your point, been you know his his

763
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: did he didn't he know or whatever? That's I think

764
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 4: clear that there was he had a very foggy understanding

765
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: of how this was going to be perceived. Maybe he

766
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: did understand that the aviation's community was going to eat

767
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 4: him alive, and that just by the virtue of the

768
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: fact that it was going to generate a lot of

769
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 4: like reposts and like, you know, analysis videos that was

770
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 4: going to serve his cause and maybe up his views,

771
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: which you know it did to a degree. But four million,

772
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: that's that's not that's not enough to put yourself in

773
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 4: this kind of risk.

774
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: So well, how much did he pay for the plane?

775
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 4: Well, that's not clear either, but it was a vintage,

776
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: you know, a nineteen forties plane. He bought it just

777
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 4: a couple of months before he did the stunt, and

778
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: it's like a classic plane, taylor Craft. I'm not sure

779
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: if it's taylor Craft or if it's just a tailor

780
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 4: and they call it a craft. That's what people often

781
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 4: in the aviation community refer to airplanes ass because that's

782
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: what they are. But they're you know, one of the

783
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 4: guys that did some really great analysis on this has

784
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: a YouTube channel called like flight plan or something like that,

785
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 4: Gush Darted. I'm really screwing up here forgetting this guy's channel,

786
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 4: But he interviewed the original owner of the plane, and

787
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 4: that guy was like this, this is a bummer. You know,

788
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 4: this is not what you do with a plane like

789
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 4: this this is like a piece of history. And it

790
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 4: also apparently wasn't particularly skyworthy, like it really should not

791
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: have been flown. It was being sold for parts. And

792
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 4: there's also a part where another YouTube channel kind of

793
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: dissection of this, points out that when the propeller stops,

794
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 4: there's a phenomenon in these types of planes called windmilling,

795
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: where like the propeller will continue to spin just because

796
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 4: of the trajectory of it through the air, and it's like,

797
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: you know, it's these are the kinds of planes that

798
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: you have to like hand start, I think to some degree,

799
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: you know, the nineteen forties planes, So it would continue

800
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: to spin unless you got you slowed yourself down, like

801
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 4: intentionally to a point where you were at like what

802
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: they call stall speed. And you can see him pumping

803
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 4: the yoke, which is like you push and pull on

804
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: these planes on like what looks like a steering wheel.

805
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 4: It's like a much older school kind of it's not

806
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 4: a stick like on more modern small aircraft. So you

807
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: see him pushing and pulling this thing from a distance,

808
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: you know, because it's the outside shot, and the guy's like,

809
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 4: why is he doing that? Oh, I think he's trying

810
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 4: to slow it down and get it to stallspy for

811
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: the dramatic effect of seeing the propeller slow to fully stopping,

812
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 4: because that would not happen if you just were like genuinely,

813
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: oh the engines died, it would keep spinning. But visually,

814
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 4: for drama, you need it to be like do do

815
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: do do do Dooche douche, And that's what he was doing. Also,

816
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: he conspicuously had one of the fuel lines disconnected from

817
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: one of the sides, and I think or some folks,

818
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: you know, experts in this think that he was he

819
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: had he was burning off every last bit of fuel

820
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 4: in there to keep it from exploding when it hit. Wow,

821
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 4: I this.

822
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: Is uh, this is a good timing because this reminds

823
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: me of an episode that we recently recorded on Frederick Valentych,

824
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: who was a pilot who does not seem to have

825
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: purposely wrecked his plane, but it's absolutely in the cards.

826
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: And it inspired me, based on our conversation, inspired me

827
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: to actually pull the trigger. You guys, I'm going to

828
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: start working toward a pilot license.

829
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: What Yeah, because we don't want.

830
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: To be in a situation where we need to fly

831
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: but we can't. You know, situations you get, you know,

832
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: I have become strange, we get in situations. Louis got like,

833
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 1: it's it's weird though, because I'm bringing this up since

834
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of people in the aviation community

835
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: who are regular listeners, fellow conspiracy realists, I'm interested in

836
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: how much of a splash this is made in the

837
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: aviator community, or it has something like this happened before.

838
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: Has someone previously purposely wrecked a plane for clout? It

839
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: just seems like a very weird grift.

840
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a couple of names now. Trent Palmer

841
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: is another one of the YouTubers, the aviation community kind

842
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 4: of YouTubers, and his whole point was that this guy

843
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: has screwed it up for the rest of us, you know,

844
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: because he pointed out that in the United States we

845
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: have some of the most let's just say welcoming aviation

846
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 4: rules in terms of like people that can fly their

847
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 4: own private planes for for fun, you know, for sport,

848
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 4: and that he used the expression aviation FAA regulations are

849
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: many of them are written in blood, meaning that like

850
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: it takes someone dying or being seriously injured to like

851
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 4: alter these or create new ones. And in the era

852
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: of the social media clout and all of this kind

853
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: of like a striving to be this social media star.

854
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: This guy clearly was, you know, pushing for it could

855
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: bring to light things that could cause the FAA to

856
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: clamp down and make it more difficult for regular rule

857
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: following pilots to not be able to do things that

858
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: they have typically enjoyed being able to do. So that

859
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: was a big part of it. Not to mention, we

860
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 4: haven't eve talked about it. I mean, like he crashes

861
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 4: an unmanned plane into a national park for all ten

862
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 4: tents and purposes. I don't think that's necessarily how it

863
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 4: was categorized. But everyone that I was reading and listening

864
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: to and reading the comments on their life, people are there,

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Speaker 4: people camp down there, people like hike down there. He

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Speaker 4: could have killed somebody for what you know, four million

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Speaker 4: you two views and a wallet endorsement. I'm sure it's

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Speaker 4: So that's that's all I got. This guy's kind of

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Speaker 4: an aphole, That's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: You know, Well, it's the main character syndrome so common

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Speaker 1: in social media these days. You know, like I've been

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Speaker 1: following TikTok cringe videos on Reddit and stuff like this.

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Speaker 1: But folks, we know you are not purposely wrecking a

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Speaker 1: plane for fun. If you're purposely wrecking a plane, I

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Speaker 1: think it's fair to say we assume you have a

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Speaker 1: very reason and you have to. But Noel, thank you

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Speaker 1: for this amazing story. Matt, thank you for bringing us

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Speaker 1: the disturbing peep behind the curtain of the finances there

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Speaker 1: in the Church of Latter day Saints. And hopefully you

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Speaker 1: can help us find more little known cults in the

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Speaker 1: world in your neck of the global woods, something we

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Speaker 1: could put a spotlight on before it leads to fatalities.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear from you. We try to

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Speaker 1: be easy to find online.

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Speaker 4: That's right. You can find us at the handle conspiracy

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Speaker 4: Stuff on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, Conspiracy Stuff show on

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Speaker 4: Instagram and TikTok. But we're not as cringing, we don't.

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Speaker 4: We try, well, maybe a little, a healthy amount of cringe,

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Speaker 4: just enough cringe.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, we're totally your grandfather on TikTok. Come on,

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Speaker 3: this is how it is. It's fine, that's just who

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Speaker 3: we are. That's what we are. We're fun though. If

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Speaker 3: you don't like social media, why not give us a call.

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Speaker 3: Our number is one eight three std WYTK. When you

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Speaker 3: call in, give yourself a cool nickname, not your government name.

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Speaker 3: You've got three minutes. Say whatever you'd like. Just at

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Speaker 3: some point let us know if we can use your

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Speaker 3: voice and message on the air. If you don't want

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Speaker 3: it to be on there, just say. If you don't

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Speaker 3: want to do that, why not send us a good

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Speaker 3: old fashioned email.

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Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Stuff they don't want you to know. Is a production

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