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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Whipsmarties. Let's dive right back into our fantastic conversation

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Speaker 1: with Rosie O'Donnell. When you came out in public, I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: all bets were kind of off societally. I think people

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Speaker 1: realized so much of what they thought they cared about

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Speaker 1: was bullsh after nine to eleven happened, Like what are

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Speaker 1: we fighting about? Look what happens in the world.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's that seismic experience of when you have a

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Speaker 1: death in the family and then everyone stops fighting. You're like,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe we waste it all this time. But

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Speaker 1: it was still I mean, it was still a risk.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember watching Ellen and she came out and

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Speaker 1: her show got canceled, Like I remember those things.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I came out because we had a foster

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Speaker 2: child that we were not allowed to adopt, and because

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Speaker 2: we were gay. And there were two male nurses, Lofton

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Speaker 2: and Cruteau, who had taken AIDS babies during the AIDS

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Speaker 2: crisis when the parents had both died of drug addiction,

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Speaker 2: taken the HIV positive children and adopt it. Fostered them,

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Speaker 2: and then some of them zero converted to negative because

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Speaker 2: of their care and treatment, and sometimes that happens with babies.

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Speaker 2: So they went adopt the fourteen year old that had

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Speaker 2: Cyril converted as a toddler, and the Florida state government

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Speaker 2: wouldn't allow them to adopt the child that they raised

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Speaker 2: because he was now a viable adoption and they didn't

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Speaker 2: want gay people to adopt it, so they couldn't even

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Speaker 2: adopt the foster child they raised. And that was exactly

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Speaker 2: the position I was in. I could not adopt the

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Speaker 2: foster child I raised because I'm gay, So my choice

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Speaker 2: would be to lie are you now or have you

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Speaker 2: ever been? A homosexual? To lie on the court papers.

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Speaker 2: Therefore maybe having strange people try to nullify the adoption,

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Speaker 2: and it would have been probably nullified because I am

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Speaker 2: a lesbian and there's you know, nothing's going to change that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't expect any changes. But look at

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Speaker 2: Jojo Siwa, but she is very she's a very young person.

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Speaker 1: You know, she's finding herself.

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Speaker 2: She's figuring stuff out. That's what I say. I mean,

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Speaker 2: every gay woman I know has a dalliance with men

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Speaker 2: at some time. I mean, there's very few gold star lesbians,

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Speaker 2: as they call themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know a few, but not a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I spent a very long time thinking I was just

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Speaker 1: a bisexual woman out here. Turns out yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, it's hard to telling ourselves, right,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to figure out. You know. In my show,

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Speaker 2: I talked about my daughter saying to me, are you

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Speaker 2: non binary? And I said no? And they said are

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Speaker 2: you sure? And I said yes, And they said, then

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Speaker 2: what are you? And I said, I'm an og lesbian bitch.

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Speaker 2: Bitch's pejorative, especially for a feminist even years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, let me have my terms.

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Speaker 2: Well I was just like, that's a pretty elaborate thought

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Speaker 2: process for it. I'm little bit to go to.

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Speaker 1: But for an eleven year old to know pejorative in

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Speaker 2: Well. She has a thing called hyperlexia, which means and echolalia,

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Speaker 2: two things that a lot of autistic kids have. One

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Speaker 2: of them is when there's like a tape recorder in

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Speaker 2: your brain. This is echolalia, and if you hear something,

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Speaker 2: your brain records it and then you can recite it.

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Speaker 2: In the dialect that you heard it. Wow. So she

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Speaker 2: was at school and the boy kept calling her psycho.

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Speaker 2: So I asked the teacher which was the father, and

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Speaker 2: myself and said, why does your kid call my kid

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Speaker 2: a psycho? And he goes, listen, it's very upsetting. But

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Speaker 2: my son is very sensitive and she tells them scary stories.

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Speaker 2: I said, really, I've never heard her tell a scary story.

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Speaker 2: What's the scary story? Says where's waldough? Se where's the

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Speaker 2: striped shirt? How scary is Where's Waldo? He goes, that's

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Speaker 2: what he tells me. I go home. I say, Clay,

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Speaker 2: do you have a story? Where's Waldo? She said yeah?

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Speaker 2: I tell her at school a lot. Half the kids

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Speaker 2: good odds. I said, yeah, you're right, there's a pretty

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Speaker 2: She takes a breath. She goes, it was a dark

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Speaker 2: and dreamy night in the bowels of the kingdom. The

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Speaker 2: that's that's the story of of where it's Waldo. That's

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Speaker 2: how it begins, and she can recite the entire thing

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Speaker 2: that's called echolalia. And then she has hyperlexia. When she

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Speaker 2: test her vocabulary. They give kids in second grade one

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Speaker 2: hundred words, and she got ninety nine right and the

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Speaker 2: she said a sweeper because she used to watch pepper

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Speaker 2: when she was two to four and a half, she

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Speaker 2: spoke with a British accent where people would say, we'd

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Speaker 2: be at the park and she'd say, Mommy, might I

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Speaker 2: have a spot of tea? And the woman would say,

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Speaker 2: you adopted from London. I said, no, she's from Texas.

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Speaker 2: She has autism, echalia and hyperlexia.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So she's like this little.

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Speaker 1: She's like a little linguistic prodigy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, incredible, and she has you know, she has moderate autism.

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Speaker 2: You know, not people say hers is very light. I'm

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Speaker 2: like their's is very light. I'm like, no, it's actually moderate.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I just don't always discuss the more

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Speaker 2: her business. The light that I show her in is

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Speaker 2: the brilliance of her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Of course, is it an interesting thing to have

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Speaker 1: a young one with neuro difference because one of the

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Speaker 1: things that fascinates me even learning about my own where

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's not just me, Like these are interesting, Okay,

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Speaker 1: nothing like being an overachiever who gets diagnosed in your forties.

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Speaker 1: That's a fun journey.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think about what it must be like to be

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Speaker 1: a kid learning how your brain works. Now because there's

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Speaker 1: so much research. I mean, even like a few months ago,

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Speaker 1: researchers believe that they've proven that ADHD is a developmental advantage,

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Speaker 1: and they sort of went through the whole reasoning of

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Speaker 1: when there weren't guaranteed resources, and like, I wish I'd

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Speaker 2: I completely believe that. Wow. Yeah, I always tell people,

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Speaker 2: you know, add has really worked for me. Yea, So

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what to tell you. But

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Speaker 2: I believe It was a Bill Gates study was doing

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Speaker 2: all this autism research, and they called and sent a letter.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to test me for autism because of my

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Speaker 2: ability to retain lyrics and ingles and songs, and they said,

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Speaker 2: it's really not normal what you're able to do. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, that's exciting, but I have a

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Speaker 2: really to be tested for three days and in case

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Speaker 2: I might have autism, which at the time, you know,

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Speaker 2: I didn't think twice about it, But now that I've

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Speaker 2: I used to think all my friends who had kids

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Speaker 2: to get an autistic kid. I would understand. And I

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Speaker 2: think I do the way that you have to if

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Speaker 2: you're an autism parent, and you learn your own language

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Speaker 2: and routines with them that are often misunderstood by people

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Speaker 2: who love you and love the child. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: like my child sleeps in the bed with me still

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Speaker 2: and they're thirteen, and it's exhausting. It's exhausting to not,

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Speaker 2: you know, not in a violent way. Just sleeping. Sleeping.

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Speaker 1: Kids are very active.

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Speaker 2: Very active, and you know a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: judgment in my world and say, you know, you have

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Speaker 2: thought she was out now she was out for about

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Speaker 2: six months, and then I went away to Australia to

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Speaker 2: work for three weeks. And when I came back back

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Speaker 2: all of our helpers, everyone says, when they're ready, they

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, this is not going to be you know,

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Speaker 2: they're going to end up their whole life doing this.

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Speaker 1: You know, right, what a gift though to be in

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Speaker 1: this time. You know that your kid gets to be

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Speaker 1: raised by you, because if if you were your kid's

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Speaker 1: age with your parents, you might not have been given

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Speaker 1: the patience, no, no, to develop in the way you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone thought that you have to be stricter with

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Speaker 2: these kids. My kids think that too, They're like, you

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Speaker 2: have to be stricter with them. I'm like, listen, you guys,

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Speaker 2: this is a different situation. You guys didn't sleep with me.

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Speaker 2: Remember what do you think I changed as a mom?

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Speaker 2: Or did the kid change what's and there's a diagnosis

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, there's a doctor's diagnosis of this. This

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Speaker 2: some strange computer that you have to figure out how

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Speaker 2: mostly their self esteem. Now, if I were to send

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Speaker 2: you pictures of how they just went out, We're here

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Speaker 2: in the Jersey Shore and we are doing a family

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Speaker 2: two weeks hang out at the Jersey Shore, and my

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Speaker 2: coming with the baby who's three months old. So that's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: But we were at the Jersey Shore and she had

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Speaker 2: it's eighty five degrees and a skirt and boots, different

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Speaker 2: kinds of she addresses like Cyndi Lauper in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say this, this feels very Betsy Johnson

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Speaker 1: Cyndy Lauper. Yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty so cool. Yeah, so many artists I know

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Speaker 2: have ADHD autism spectrum, they have something, they have some

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Speaker 2: four letter three little ditty. And you know, figuring out

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Speaker 2: yourself is a life journey. You know, it's not like you.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's what I am. So therefore I stop

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Speaker 2: growing and I just stay in this one definition of

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Speaker 2: who I am. But moving to Ireland really forced me

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Speaker 2: to step back out of my comfort zone.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was going to ask if some of

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Speaker 1: this feels related to getting so far outside the system

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Speaker 1: you've been used to, because a different brain is, to

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Speaker 1: your point, a different operating system. And I'm so curious

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Speaker 1: what it's been like to live overseas and outside of

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Speaker 1: this sort of American ness we're all so steeped in.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know the greatest thing about it is the

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Speaker 2: lack of celebrity culture in Ireland, because you know, people

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Speaker 2: would say to us, welcome Clay, welcome Rosie, you belong

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Speaker 2: here in Ireland. Never can I have a picture? Can

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Speaker 2: I have? So Clay and I go to this place

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Speaker 2: and where it's an outdoor place, we can get a

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Speaker 2: you know, no way. And I'm not advocating it for

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Speaker 2: in their own life and spend less time trying to

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Speaker 2: quell the twelve monkeys in your brain.

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Speaker 1: Right, But I think what I'm here hearing you say

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Speaker 1: is you're really open to possibilities you didn't see coming totally,

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Speaker 1: and that feels like a really cool place to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like what you're supposed to, what's

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Speaker 2: supposed to happen, will happen. And I'm at peace with that,

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Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, they're like, what what do you

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Speaker 2: want to do after Jimmy Kimmel. I just want to

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Speaker 2: do my best. I just want to, you know, be

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Speaker 2: as good as I can be and be joyful and

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Speaker 2: be uh, be happy, and and know that some of

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Speaker 2: those people who believed in him are good people and

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Speaker 2: they were led astray and and we have to lay

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Speaker 2: our arms open for them too. We all have been there,

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Speaker 2: and this is liberty and justice for all. Still.

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Speaker 1: I also think when you've got when you've gone full

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Speaker 1: circle through the emotions of it, I understand the anger

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Speaker 1: is righteous. I'm angry all the time. I think when

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Speaker 1: you're frustrated people haven't been listening, great, but you can't

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Speaker 1: stay in the frustration or the anger. The whole point

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Speaker 1: of knowing better is also doing better. And so if

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Speaker 1: we can do better, if we've known better, we have

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Speaker 1: to be willing to say, oh, you're ready to do better,

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Speaker 1: then come do it with us, because the the other

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Speaker 1: part of it is like, well, we're going to cut

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Speaker 1: off our nose despite our face, like, no, we're not.

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Speaker 2: We're not freeing the insurrectionists. No we're not. We're not saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, every crime that you've ever committed is forgiven

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Speaker 2: over your new found understanding of who this man is.

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Speaker 2: But I do think there has to be you know,

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Speaker 2: that roomy quote right in the field next to right

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Speaker 2: and wrong, there's the people. I'll go.

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Speaker 1: I'll meet you there, ya Right.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I'm what I'm hoping for, that's what

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to manifest. That's what I'm meaning and knowing. Like, listen,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy asked me to do. This is quite an honor.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do it, you know. I love that

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Speaker 2: for you, and I'm going to try my best, you know,

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Speaker 2: and have fun and enjoy it, you know, enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah,