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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast part of the Volume

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Speaker 1: podcast Network. I am Chad Millman of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: We're finally getting close to kick off for the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five NFL season. We're going to begin our series

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Speaker 1: of preview shows. We're going to lead into our division

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Speaker 1: by division betting breakdowns that begin at the end of

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Speaker 1: this month. Before we get to that, Simon and I

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Speaker 1: always do a couple of table settered episodes to frame

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Speaker 1: what we think when it comes to a variety of

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Speaker 1: betting and fantasy topics. Today, we're going to do an

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Speaker 1: annual summer episode, which always invites snickering and debate. Mainly

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Speaker 1: the snickering is from Matt Mitchell, who just said that

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Speaker 1: every year for this episode, I do something that I

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Speaker 1: think he said that should put me in jail. I

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Speaker 1: know this year will be no different. Before introduced the topic,

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Speaker 1: let me bring him my co host, my companion Mike

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Speaker 1: and Padre might be f professional better. Sigmond head.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so I am it Chad back from Vegas. How

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Speaker 2: you doing? Brother? Dude?

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Speaker 1: Guy in very late last night, not planning on getting

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Speaker 1: in late last night, and then I sat in by

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Speaker 1: the way Truman will laugh at the Philadelphia airport for

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Speaker 1: more than three hours waiting for my connection, and I

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Speaker 1: flew from Vegas to Philly, and in my row I

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Speaker 1: ended up sitting next to a very elderly woman who

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Speaker 1: only had one leg, and I was, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like she couldn't leave her seat, so I would climb

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Speaker 1: over her to get in and out. All good, lovely woman,

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Speaker 1: great conversation, but she played her Instagram reels on full

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Speaker 1: blast for the first forty five minutes from the time

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Speaker 1: we boarded until like, you know, we were connected to

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Speaker 1: Wi Fi and she was playing it into the flight,

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Speaker 1: and like that's just a trigger for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: like people playing their phones at full blast. And I

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Speaker 1: had to hold my tongue because I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: be the dude asking a very nice older woman to

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Speaker 1: please put on some headphones and turned down her phone.

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Speaker 2: See I'm such a psycho. I would have turned to

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Speaker 2: it and be like, are you excited about meeting the

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Speaker 2: Grim Reaper? Because you're about to if you keep listening

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Speaker 2: to this music at full blast.

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Speaker 1: I held my tongue.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna I was gonna ask you if you

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Speaker 2: did any of the world Chairs of poker stuff. I'm

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Speaker 2: guessing you were busy. But the whole poker worlch has

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Speaker 2: a blaze by this guy Will Khalifa, which is basically

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Speaker 2: what you're just talking about right now, annoying people. This

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Speaker 2: guy was super loud for about two days. He took

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Speaker 2: over the internet. I mean, everyone's going crazy right now

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Speaker 2: the world. She's a poker is the one guy. Luckily

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Speaker 2: he got knocked out the final tables tomorrow. Absolute legend,

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Speaker 2: the Grinder, which if you're an old gambler, if you

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Speaker 2: if you love poker, this guy is the definition of

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Speaker 2: a degenera gambler. He's like a legend from back in

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Speaker 2: the day. He made the final table, which is awesome,

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Speaker 2: and I have a little bet on him. I had

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Speaker 2: another bet on a guy named Tony Greggs who got

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Speaker 2: knocked out right for the final table. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: it's been really fun. Honestly, I know you're not the

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Speaker 2: biggest poker guy. It's you. Obviously you're writing a book

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Speaker 2: right now. You've got other shit going on. Me I

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Speaker 2: got nothing going on. So I've just been watching twelve

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Speaker 2: hours NonStop poker until four or five in the morning,

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Speaker 2: and uh yeah, it's it's crazy the grinder Man from

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Speaker 2: back in the day they made it and a woman

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Speaker 2: made it. First woman make Final Table. Believe she's Spanish,

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Speaker 2: Margette I believe is her name. She's so good. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: really really great Final Table. I think it airs to Mars.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been really fun.

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Speaker 1: I actually I wanted to go on Saturday. There were

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Speaker 1: and didn't get to. But what's weird about this? You

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Speaker 1: mentioned I'm working on this book and I got there

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Speaker 1: Friday night. I landed at five o'clock. It was one

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Speaker 1: and I immediately turned around and I went out to

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Speaker 1: dinner speaking of books with Joe Lupo. So old heads

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Speaker 1: of the show listening forever will know that Joe Lupo

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Speaker 1: twenty five years ago when I wrote The Odds, was

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Speaker 1: the bookmaker at the Stardust Hotel. He was one of

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Speaker 1: now is like, you know, one of the most powerful

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Speaker 1: building the new hard Rock hotel that is going to

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Speaker 1: I went out. Joe and I went to Nobu and

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Speaker 1: we sit down and they're like, hello, mister Lupo, good

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Speaker 1: to see you again, mister Lupo. I'm like this guy,

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Speaker 1: he was just some schmuck sitting in the back office

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Speaker 1: at the Stardust, and now he's got a table at Nobu,

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Speaker 1: which makes no sense. But here's what's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: I've been working on in this book for six months. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's essentially a sequel to the Odds, Like how has

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Speaker 1: this world changed? Obviously, Simon, I'm talking to you. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of other professional betters I'm talking to. I've

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Speaker 1: made thirteen trips. I've been to Philly, Lexington, Kentucky, New Orleans, Chicago, obviously,

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Speaker 1: First trip in six months of reporting that I made

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Speaker 1: to Vegas. When I did the Odds, I literally lived

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Speaker 1: in Vegas for six months. Now it's like you, you

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Speaker 1: don't really need to even go there. That's how much

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Speaker 1: this world has changed. It's it's totally totally wild.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I told you that a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: It's now. There's not many people left still in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: A lot of them are above the age of fifty.

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Speaker 2: There are some young blood that like Vegas, right, they

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Speaker 2: liked that lifestyle. But I would say that was my

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Speaker 2: favorite part of legalization. I've talked to about this, Like

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Speaker 2: that day it got legalized, I was out the fucking

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Speaker 2: some people love the dry heat and they love Vegas.

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Speaker 2: I need to see trees and grass. It's the Northeast

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Speaker 2: because it's like it's a time period and the guys

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Speaker 2: there are just so old school and so knowledgeable. Anytime

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Speaker 1: I had a nice time. I spent some time with

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Speaker 1: went to Summer League. I sat with Darryl Morey from

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Speaker 1: Darryl and another scout who he's known forever who we

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Speaker 1: what the positive ev play was, should he make the

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Speaker 1: League game, and how they think about it. It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: It was totally awesome. Some of the guys in six

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Speaker 1: all right, Simon, They did listen. On our next episode,

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Speaker 1: you and I are going to dig into the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: preview with Chris Raybunden and Cheer. Today it's time for

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Speaker 1: our favorite rankings episode of the year that always gets

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Speaker 1: somebody yelling at me. It's our very official, completely scientific

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Speaker 1: top ten NFL QB's list and reminder, unlike the silly

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Speaker 1: lists other experts do, this is primarily based from a

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Speaker 1: betting point of view, at least for you and me,

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Speaker 1: and I'll remind everyone to check out the clips and

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Speaker 1: highlights from the shows that we are doing as we

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Speaker 1: get into football. Go to my YouTube page at Real

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Speaker 1: Chad Milman. As we do every summer, we are going

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Speaker 1: to bring in Rich Reebar aka Lord Reeves on X.

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Speaker 1: He's going to give us the gut check on our

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Speaker 1: QUB list. He does a brilliant job analyzing the NFL

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Speaker 1: at Sharp Football Analysis. Everyone should go pick up their

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Speaker 1: cop copy of the Sharp Football Analysis twenty twenty five preview.

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Speaker 1: Warn Sharps sent me my copy, Simon. I've been digging in.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Rich, Yeah, what is going on?

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 3: I look forward to this every year. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: funny you're talking about Vegas. I have two quick antidotes. One,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to know how much uno you're you're ready

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Speaker 3: to play? And then I saw that you know too

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Speaker 3: by My oldest son turns twenty one in February, and

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Speaker 3: we've been kind of plotting out that, you know, hey,

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Speaker 3: first week of March Madness will go to Vegas. There's

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Speaker 3: first trip, right, and he's just like, what what can

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Speaker 2: Like it's the same.

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Speaker 3: Thing, wow, kind of laid out like it's just like,

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Speaker 3: oh man, you don't even know, but like he's not

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Speaker 3: even excited, like not even excited about it. Where you know,

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Speaker 3: I could bet I could bet at home.

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Speaker 2: Got him. So you don't know about the Bunny Ranch clearly,

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Speaker 1: You know what's so it's like they used to have

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Speaker 1: the cars that drove around on the strip, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: with like the billboards.

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Speaker 1: The escorts that you could call, and then on every

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Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. That's my memory of it,

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Speaker 2: just after losing all my money walking to the corner. No,

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Speaker 2: I just see it in the streets. All that just

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Speaker 1: So what's interesting is there's none of that anymore. And

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Speaker 1: I was walking down Las Vegas Boulevard, and you know,

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Speaker 1: me of one of the times I was in Vegas

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Speaker 1: The producer I was with, uh uh called one of

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Speaker 1: I'm getting calls from lovely ladies. Rich that could be

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Speaker 1: I can forwarded for him.

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Speaker 3: We got to get these kids outside more. Now, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm there, listen as they say, feedback is a gift.

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Speaker 1: I'm opening a feedback rich, Rich would you like to

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Speaker 3: I don't have a ton of real pushback, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: Two is the only one that I think you look

431
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: at that the the history of just punching up above weight,

432
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,239
Speaker 3: like and you guys know this as better. It's like

433
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: four and sixteen against playoff teams to a like just.

434
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, look, two was one of those guys who's

435
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: he's never gonna get credit because he's such a stat

436
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: machine based on the offense. Right, He's not a guy

437
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: who you're thinking you put him somewhere else and he's

438
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: gonna win and golf, like, look, Jared Goff he won

439
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: with the Rams and then he went to the Lions

440
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: and he's won with the Lions. And you could say

441
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is brilliant. You can say Sean McVay is brilliant,

442
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: but he still is executed. And I think he's grown

443
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: as a quarterback and I think there's a lot of

444
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: belief in what his skill set is and you've seen

445
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: what he can do well, and whoever they bring in

446
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: will be smart enough to figure out how to put

447
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: him in the right position. So I think there's a

448
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: difference between like a system Jared Goff and a system

449
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: to a.

450
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: The difference between golf though any that ties the two

451
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: of those is he's never gonna give you anything of

452
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: his legs, Like if I need, if I need Jared

453
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: Goff to get himself out of a bad play, like

454
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: I have no faith in that happening, like you know, athletically,

455
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: and that's what that's the one hang up, Like I

456
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: need those guys that have the spade that can pull

457
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: themselves out of the heart of darkness and would just

458
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: get me a football play, right, like you think, like

459
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: that Lamar play against the Bengals last year, I touchdown

460
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: to Isaiah likely like Jared Goff was never coming into

461
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 3: anything close to that or like that's the thing with

462
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: like you know, Josh Allen just like taking over games

463
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: and creating these plays just out of thin air on

464
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: their own. And that's why I think, but Baker has

465
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: that more than golf does, because Baker has like that

466
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 3: wolverine mentality. Real, Yeah, yeah, almost to a fault. Like

467
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 3: it's a baker. You can't try to run that lineback rover,

468
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 3: but he don't care.

469
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm loving about Quarterback on Netflix A Kirk

470
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: Cousins and his brother and their friends. I don't know

471
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: if you guys have seen the show, but there is

472
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: an episode where Kirk cousins buddies from high school and

473
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: his brother come to visit and they always try to

474
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: dress up in some outfit that makes Kirk Cousins laugh.

475
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: And this year they dressed up as some like eighties

476
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: dude in you know, some TikTok video. And then afterwards

477
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: they were all going to some drive through to get

478
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: burgers after the game. And in the front seat you

479
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: got Kirk Cousins and his brother, I think they're singing

480
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: cher and in the backseat kirk cousins kid is yelling

481
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: please stop, please stop, and the brother and Kirk Cousins

482
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: are just going longer and longer and louder and louder.

483
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: Love those guys. I don't know if Jared Goff and

484
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: his wife actually have anything to say to each other.

485
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: They seem to have the most sort of uninteresting conversations.

486
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: And Joe Burrow is very cool, but also doesn't seem

487
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: to have very much to say.

488
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say at the top. Kirk Cousins is the

489
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: whitest person ever. Like, I literally can't watch him. He's

490
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: so white. It's so it's uncomfortable. I get why people

491
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: should on Kirk Cousins. It's like him going to haircuttery

492
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: getting a fifteen dollars haircut, the whole thing. See.

493
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Speaker 1: I think he's so authentically himself, like he doesn't care

494
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: sort of how bad he loves.

495
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: The course, doesn't care. He's the whitest dude ever. He's like, literally,

496
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: when people talk about white people, that's what they're talking about.

497
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: He hasn't season his chicken. He is the exact thing.

498
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: He kisses his dog open mouth. He's everything people talk about.

499
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: You know what, sneaky good singing voice.

500
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Speaker 2: I hated Chad's list. You're a very nice rich Chad's

501
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: list was painful to me. Pretty above Stafford, I think

502
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: you had pretty above c J. Stroud, who's two and

503
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: two in the playoffs. So Chad just broke down to

504
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: all of you guys, why you can never go by

505
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: the numbers. Having two in this conversation makes me want

506
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: to rip my hair out. It's I didn't put.

507
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: You in the conversation like I'm with you.

508
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: Like the from eight to twelve is pretty tough for

509
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: me as well. I agree with that part. But I'll

510
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: get into mind right here. I did a twelve just

511
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: because of that, because I just want to show the

512
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: back end of mine. I do want to make the

513
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: statement that rich is right. For the last two years,

514
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: you guys have both had Herbert in your top ten,

515
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: and I have consistently had Jalen Hurts over Herbert, and

516
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: I am looking like a genius compared to you two

517
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: because Herbert just had four picks in the playoffs. Well,

518
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, of course went to Super Bowl. So from

519
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: the top, Chad, who is the greatest quarterback to ever

520
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: play this sport?

521
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: Tom Brady?

522
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: Okay? And who's the greatest modern day quarterback playing right now?

523
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes?

524
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: Okay? And why did you Why do you say that?

525
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Because pack Mahomes has consistently won one what consistently one? What?

526
00:27:59,400 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

527
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: The super won the Super Bowl.

528
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: So that's that's all I needed from here. That's what

529
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: my major point was. My list is based off past performance.

530
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: Who deserves me ranked at the top, right, I'm not

531
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: talking about the best athlete.

532
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: You've got to count down from ten, don't.

533
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: The guy gets the most stats. Yeah, I just want

534
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: to say my number twelve was Herbert, So I have

535
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: Herbert outside my top ten again. And I was really

536
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: hard between Herbert and Love at that spot. And then

537
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: I do have pretty at fourteen, so that doesn't matter.

538
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: So I'm with Chad. I had Baker at ten, and

539
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: now you.

540
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Speaker 1: Go at eleven. Do you have Loved at eleven?

541
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Speaker 2: Uh? Golf? Okay, Yeah, So like the same thing where Jared,

542
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: it's the same thing with Stafford. I move him up

543
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have athleticism, Like, he does not have

544
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: his legs to fall back on. He is the old

545
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: school pocket movement, throwing the ball like that was what

546
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: we all grew up up in Love. So it's like

547
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: I had a fun. It's like you said, it's tough

548
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: at these at these points to fight over it. But

549
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: I had Baker above him. Then Daniels I had to

550
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: get Danner's respect, like it's it's so hard for me

551
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: to put a rookie in the spot. I think last

552
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: year we were all the same thing. We all had

553
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: seed eight or nine last year. Same thing with me

554
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: with Daniels this year, it's like eighty percent of fourth down,

555
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: the whole thing. You could not blitz the kid. We've

556
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 2: never seen anything like it. You have to put him

557
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: in your top ten for making a list. But some

558
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: people having him at number five, that to me is

559
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: just insane. It's like you're banking too much on future.

560
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen in the future. So I have him

561
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: in nine. CJ at number eight. He had the season

562
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Speaker 2: from hell, still made the playoffs and then won a

563
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: playoff game against a Chargers team that everyone was blowing

564
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: smoke up their ass, especially end of that playoffs. You know,

565
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: that was just such a huge win for me because

566
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: that team was dead. They were dead. I know they

567
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: have a great defense. We're going I mean this upcoming season.

568
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: They're probably my third highest rated defense coming to the

569
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: season next year, Houston, like they have an incredible defense.

570
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: But that playoff win against the Chargers was on CJ.

571
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: He didn't keep making the mistakes. That Chiefs game was

572
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 2: much closer than people remember, Like they went to Arrowhead

573
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: and CJ had them in a really good position. So

574
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: I have to give a ton of respect to CJ.

575
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: Put him at number eight, number seven, the man that's

576
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: left for dead. I can't believe you guys can't have

577
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: him on your list. Dak? What did Dak do to you?

578
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: I don't get what happened with Dak. You know this

579
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: is one year and Dak is dead to everyone. He

580
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: almost went.

581
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: He was horrendous before his hamstring injury last year.

582
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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, but it's like I looked the

583
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: fourth because the first four weeks is so weird now

584
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: with guys not playing in the preseason. To me, that's

585
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: the tune up. Like same with Joe Burrow, Joe Brow

586
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: did we thought he was not going to last a

587
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: week five? I mean, he was so terrible those first

588
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: four weeks. Is he just need to get his arm right?

589
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: And I think the same with Dak. But Dak, the

590
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: hates just gone too far. And I knew as soon

591
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: as I put him on this list, I was like,

592
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: I bet you, Chad's gonna leave him off. Chad hates

593
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: guy's coming off injured seasons. This share enough, here's the show.

594
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: I did not have Dak.

595
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: I I considered Dak. I bet you did, And honestly,

596
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: I know you know, in the coming weeks we're gonna

597
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: do a playoff episode where you and I will predict

598
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: who we think will make the playoffs from the AFC,

599
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: the NFC, and a little foreshadowing here because of Dak

600
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: and his return, the Cowboys will be an important part

601
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: of that conversation. Dak was was like my final four

602
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: were Herbert Purdy, CJ. Baker, Herbert Purty, CJ, and Stafford

603
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: for like that nine to eight spot eleven twelve spot,

604
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: Baker was always ten. Dak was in there like it

605
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: the last guy out of that five.

606
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: You've left him for dead and I'm with you on

607
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: Dak right. Our big pushback we thought all the time

608
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 2: is Dak is two and five in the playoffs. That

609
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: is a big deal. And it was really hard for

610
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: me with him in CIG because CJ is two and two.

611
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: To me, that's all that Matter's. All this other bullshit

612
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: that we've become obsessed with does not matter. Can you

613
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: win and succeed in the playoffs, because that's all that matters.

614
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: Legacy wise, we started from the top. Tom Brady's the goat,

615
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: not because he was the greatest offensive genius ever, like

616
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: Payton Manning, it's because he fucking won the playoffs, something

617
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: Ayden Manny could not consistently do, and Dak it feels

618
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: like a make him break, like people are already forgetting

619
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: about him. Like Chad, he just broke it down, like

620
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: it's what have you done for me lately? And I

621
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: get why that's pushed out on Dak, but I'm I'm

622
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: looking at the perspective of last year was a hell season.

623
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: Every of the year before that, he usually gets you

624
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: twelve wins. He's very consistent, so I'm giving him respect.

625
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: You know again, two and five in the playoffs is glaring, though,

626
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: And that brings back to my next one, which I

627
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: think is gonna shock you. Chad. Number six I got

628
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow last year really disappointed me in

629
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: many ways. I get it. We can we can make

630
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: put all of it on his defense, right, Higgins sitting

631
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: out a bunch of games because he's pissed about his contract.

632
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: I agree with a lot of that. But me and

633
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: you bet in a lot of Joe Burrow games. And

634
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: I was locked in a lot of Joe Burrow games,

635
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: and we learned early on this dude cannot beat a

636
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: team of the winning record. His first win against a

637
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: team of the winning record, I believe didn't come until

638
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: he played Denver or Pittsburgh thend the season. I think

639
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: he won two games against teams of winning records. That

640
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: was Denver in Pittsburgh the end of the season. Like

641
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: when he played against good teams, he folded that offense

642
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: fold And a lot of that goes on to Joe Burrow,

643
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: where he beat the shit out of the Panthers. You

644
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: want to give him a bad team, bad defense. He

645
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: did play really well and that's why he had great

646
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: numbers on the season. But to me, he's not done

647
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: enough since that Super Bowl run. And you could say

648
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: a lot of it is, you know, bad injuries, the

649
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: team's not drafted well, they haven't paid the right guys,

650
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: terrible defense, offensive line. I agree with a lot of that,

651
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: But at the same time, a lot of it also

652
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 2: falls on Joe Burrow, like that team should have been

653
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: a playoff team last season and they didn't make it.

654
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: He said it so himself. He knows a couple of

655
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: those games he just blew. I mean that Ravens game

656
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: two sticks out of my mind. That they're up ten,

657
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: he's got the ball and just stupid turnover. So that

658
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: was the reason I had Joe Burrow outside my top five.

659
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Simon, I am. I have always been on this list.

660
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow heavy to the point where I would put

661
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: him above Josh Allen, just Andrew Patrick Mahomes. I thought

662
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: I was We.

663
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: Both had him at three last year.

664
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: I thought I was like pushing it putting him at

665
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: four after Lamar, and so you go in to six.

666
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: I think is a very bold move.

667
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 2: Because it's again it's based off past performances where it's like,

668
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: I agree going forward Joe Burrow. Am I gonna win

669
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: Stafford over Joe Burrow? No, but I have I have

670
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: Stafford number five because of what he's done in the past.

671
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 2: And you know that Eagles game, he couldn't get anything

672
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 2: going in that snow, he was dead. Anyone else would

673
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: have folded up, But that veteran moxie is why we

674
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: love Stafford. You give him an inch, he took it

675
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: like he literally took that Eagles team to the break,

676
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: which was just so impressive. And that whole season he

677
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: played through injuries. He willed that team. I think they

678
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: had another really bad start to the season and they

679
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: didn't matter right the end of the season. I believe

680
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: eight and two or eight and three, it's just all

681
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: about him and the fact that they brought in Adams

682
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: as well. I think we have another really great year

683
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: from this. I believe it's his last year on his

684
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: contract too with the Rams, so it's it just feel

685
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: like it's all lined up for him and I that's

686
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 2: why I put him at number five. It's like he's

687
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: got the ring, he's got the years added up, and

688
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: you know it's once again he can't use his legs

689
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: like these other guys are about to mention. That is

690
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: such a big deal for a guy like him. So yeah,

691
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: Stafford number five, number four went with Lamar. You know Lamar,

692
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: We love Lamar. People think we're big Lamar haters on

693
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: the show. We all know Lamar has all the talent

694
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: in the world. Lamar also gets a lot of excuses

695
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: that someone who's coming up with my list does not get.

696
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. You give Lamar Derrick Henry a great running

697
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: back that should have been enough to put them over

698
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: the edge in the playoffs, and it was, but he

699
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: made those mistakes once again. And he is someone that

700
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: at this point he's three and five in the playoffs.

701
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: That is a big deal. Like this isn't some kid.

702
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: Now He's gonna be twenty eight years old this upcoming season.

703
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: That's a big deal, right, we have the years at

704
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: this point, he's three and five. Lamar's got a breakthrough

705
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: because haters like me or I'm just gonna keep getting

706
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: louder because it's been profitable fading him in the playoffs,

707
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: Like we pick our spots when he's playing against these

708
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: not so great teams. He can perform when it's Josh Allen,

709
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: when it's Mahomes, Me and Chat already know if it's

710
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: under three, we're auto betting that team against him. So

711
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: that's that's how the Lamar's got to come out of.

712
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: And that's why I haven't at number four because to me,

713
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: number three, Josh Allen, he deserves to be number three.

714
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: The highest hold on crazyck on this list.

715
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: All Right, what's crazy is I'm keeping track of your

716
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: list here and I'm counting down after Lamar. I had

717
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: already put it in Hurts because I assumed you're number one,

718
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: and two is going to be Allen and Mahomes. No,

719
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: you just said to me, Josh Allen.

720
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because again it's it's based off pass performance. Hurts

721
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: has done something that Allen has never done. He's outplayed

722
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: Mahomes in a game in the playoffs and won straight up.

723
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: That's all that matters. I mean, no one's doubting Josh

724
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: Allen has more talent than Hurts. The kid was a

725
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: fucking first round pick. Hurts is the second round pick.

726
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: Like you know that that stuff. He'll never catch up.

727
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: Metric wis right. The body style is just different, but

728
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: the mental aspect of it, whatever happens, Josh Allen keeps

729
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: getting caught by Mahomes. And we can put excuses right,

730
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: blame the coaching staff. The talent's there. They had a

731
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: top five on the offensive line last season, he had

732
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: a running a running back who rushed for sixteen touchdowns.

733
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: He won MVP. There was no doubt that offense. Our

734
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: question was that defense. And the defense gave him a

735
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: ten point lead with the ball in the fourth quarter

736
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: and he didn't live up to it in that moment

737
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: against Mahomes and he faltered. And it keeps happening, and

738
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: we keep making excuses. Now we're in year twenty, he's

739
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: twenty nine years old, so to me. He's another guy

740
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: that just needs to step up in the playoffs. And

741
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: that's why I have him below Hurts, because Hurts went

742
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: over that hump where Josh Allen. You can't say he

743
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: doesn't have the talent. He has the talent around him.

744
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: It's all on him at this point. So yeah, I

745
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: put Josh on number three. Chad already said number two

746
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, And I want to do a little exercise

747
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: here with Chad. Chad, close your eyes. You haven't won

748
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: a playoff game since twenty ten. Your Bears have been terrible.

749
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: You draft the quarterbacks, and I tell you, by aage

750
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: two twenty six, he's gonna win the NFC twice. He's

751
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: gonna go to two Super Bowls. He's gonna be runner

752
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: up MVP. He's gonna be an All Pro. He will

753
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: win a super Bowl in his twenty six year old

754
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: season and be super MVP. Is that your guy? Is

755
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: that the guy you want that takes down Mahomes? Is

756
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: that your number two quarterback?

757
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: I see that and I want him on my team

758
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: so badly.

759
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: It's rare are So I just want to tell you

760
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks to reach two super Bowls in their first

761
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: five seasons, Tom Brady, John Elway, Patrick Mahomes, Ben Roethlisberger,

762
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner. That's a pretty good fucking list to beyond

763
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: that famous and like Rich said, all he does is win.

764
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: I agree with everyone, Me and Chad. We have stats.

765
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: You don't think I have a fucking computer. I can

766
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: see his number of people like I got so much hate.

767
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: I changed my bio on Twitter to qbs are a

768
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: q wins are a QB stat because I agree with it.

769
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 2: Where it's we went too far the other way where

770
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: it's like qbs do qbs do matter? Two wins? To me,

771
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: it's it went too far the other way where it's like, well,

772
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: not all wins are blame the quarterback. Agree, But these

773
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 2: teams have so much talent. The Ravens, for three years

774
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: in a row, have a higher grade in almost anyone's

775
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 2: you know, betting algorithm than the Eagles or the Chiefs,

776
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: both those teams. I mean, the Ravens keep faltering. So

777
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: that's my thing with Hurtz. It's just it's too much

778
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: gone the other way where I agree with people, like

779
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: there's certain things he does where I'm just like, I

780
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: don't trust it. He's not in rhythm things like that,

781
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: but in the biggest games, the biggest moments of things

782
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: that matter, the only thing we really care about the

783
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: end of the day, which is playoff wins and Super

784
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: Bowl wins. He's exceeded expectations to the highest level, like again,

785
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: twenty six years old to super Bowl, super Bowl VP.

786
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: I just think the hate's gone too far one way,

787
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to see a lot of people now

788
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: have them back inside their top ten quarterbacks. To me

789
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: in this list and being number two, it's just because

790
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: of what he's done past performance and going forward, I

791
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: think he's gonna keep getting better. Like his ceiling, I

792
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: don't think he's reached it yet. We all can agree

793
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: he obviously took a step back and let it be

794
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: Saquon's team. But you didn't hear too many people saying, Chad, well,

795
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: you know, Saquon's only good because that offensive line that

796
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: never really happened, right, It was just, oh, this offensive

797
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: line helps succeed go higher than you could ever go

798
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: before because of the talent level. So that's my view

799
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: on Hurtz. People said he wouldn't be able to run

800
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: the ball. The sneak QB sneak once Kelsey left didn't

801
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: matter because why it's about Hurts. It's not about the center.

802
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: It's about the guy who's short, can deadlift five hundred

803
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: pounds and he's a freak athlete. So that's my long

804
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: winded defense on why I have him number two. Do

805
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: I have a rebuttal Rich, I know you're cooking up something.

806
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: No, I mean, like I said, I just I think

807
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: when you get up into that area, like I don't

808
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: really have a lot of pushback. I think with the

809
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: top five, I think the back five is where we

810
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 3: probably have our most disagreements, and then you know, the

811
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: top five, whatever order you want to put him in.

812
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: I think Hurts definitely belongs in that conversation for all

813
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: the reasons he said. If you look at last year,

814
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: heally had seventy nine dropbacks last year with AJ Brown debout,

815
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: they Smith and Dallas Goddard on the field, Like those

816
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: guys were in and out of the line up the

817
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: entire season, and they still were in position to be,

818
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: you know, the one seed, and still in position to

819
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: go to the super Bowl. And so like, I think

820
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: that Hurts gets kind of a bad flat because I

821
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: think it's he's propped up. But they say, like his environment,

822
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: like he's just the you know, going along for the ride, right,

823
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: like he's.

824
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: A bus driver.

825
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: But that really wasn't the case last year, especially even

826
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, because sake, I mean, they win that game. Obviously,

827
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: the defense has a big part deal to do with

828
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: like the way that score got out of hand after

829
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 3: the Dijon interception. But Sequan did nothing in that Super Bowl,

830
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing. Spags said they're gonna take away one guy,

831
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: and who's the one guy they took away Squon and

832
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: Hurts you know, put them position to have that lead.

833
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: They had the ball, you know, he threw that interception

834
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: of the two and then that was what the pick

835
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: six came right after that, and then kind of just

836
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: that game was never in the same kind of you know,

837
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: stratosphere of like being a competitive game again. But you

838
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: go back three years ago. He was the best player

839
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: in the field that Super Bowl too, you know, just

840
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: camp short, but he was by far the best player

841
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: in that game. So he could have two Super Bowl MEPs,

842
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: you know at this point, and.

843
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: That's what I'm surpressed with Chad. The moment start too.

844
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: I always go back to that Georgia Alabama game where

845
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: he sat the whole season behind Tua. Yeah, Tua gets hurt.

846
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: He comes in, I believe they're down a touchdown and

847
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: he beats Georgia by a touchdown, like came in not

848
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: playing the whole season in the SEC championship game, and

849
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: that to me speaks to the character of them. And

850
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: it's another season that he's a different OC. So what

851
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: we see a year from two years ago where he

852
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: fell apart right the year from hell at the end

853
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: of the season they lost seven to row. Or will

854
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: he in this new oc gel like he did this

855
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: past year. So it's a big deal and obviously number

856
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: one Chad, no doubt about it. Mahomes. I mean, how

857
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: can you not have Mahomes? He almost got the three

858
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: pet We've never say anything like it. Like you look

859
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: at his stats. You know we're early, you can say

860
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: we're early days here, but if you look at his

861
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: stats against Tom Brady's other great ones, he has had

862
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: the better start to his career than anybody else between MVPs,

863
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: everything like that. And he's been slept on once again

864
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: because of the numbers. Like we all do in the offseason,

865
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: we dig into the numbers Mahomes every year his numbers

866
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: have gone down, and it's you know, people are gonna

867
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: question it, They're gonna throw different things about that, but

868
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: I just think it's he just knows. He just guy

869
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: has to make it the January. Don't put himself in

870
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: these bats and aarios no need to hang on the

871
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: ball too long and take these unnecessary hits quick throws.

872
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: It's a mainly a running team now, and yeah, they're

873
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: a team. I'm really excited to dive into the sumod season, Chad,

874
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 2: because everything I've heard is just kind of been negative

875
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: towards this Chiefs team. And you can get them right

876
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: now ten to one super Bowl odds. So it's an

877
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: interesting year heading into the season. I'm glad all three

878
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: of us from Homes Number one.

879
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: You rich you think they're going to open it up?

880
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: Tell me.

881
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: I think when you look at the signal of what

882
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: they wanted to intend to do last year versus what

883
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: they had to do based on injuries, I don't think

884
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: that was the plan right. Like the plan if you

885
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: watch them the first month of the season, well, first

886
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: hollywo gets hurt in the preseason, and the plan was

887
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: never to run this passing game through a thirty five

888
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: year old Travis Kelsey, you know, or she Rice goes

889
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: down in week four, Pa Checko goes down in week three,

890
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 3: and like the offense kind of just defaults back to

891
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 3: the half the funnel things through this, you know, version

892
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: of Kelsey that is a lesser version of Kelsey. You know,

893
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: he's still a great player, but like definitely when you

894
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: look at Kelsey, everyone was a father. Time comes to everyone.

895
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: He's gonna be thirty six this year. This year, now

896
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: everyone is healthy coming in. You've got Pacheco a full

897
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: year removed from the fibul injury. Hollywood's on track to play,

898
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: where Shie Rice is already you know, on on track

899
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: to play. He was already participating in OTAs. You get

900
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: a second year Zavier Worthy. I think this team's gonna

901
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: run a lot more eleven personnel. The offensive line is

902
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: kind of the one big question mark. Obviously, you gamble,

903
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: you know, you know a player that's coming off with

904
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: significant injury in the first round at left tackle. But

905
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: I mean that's what fell apart last year. It was

906
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: disappointing to see an Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes led

907
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: team really kind of creator in on itself last year

908
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl based on something that kind of

909
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: we knew objectively coming into that game was something that

910
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: could happen and an outcome in them to not have

911
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: a counter punch dialed up, where just the four man

912
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: Eagles pass rush was absolutely oblittering in them and they

913
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: had no quick game. But that goes to test with

914
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 3: they had no run game either, Like you know, they're

915
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: running their offense the Kareem Hunts out here leading the backfield,

916
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: like I think this Chiefs team is, you know, obviously

917
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think we're going to go back

918
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: to the peak Tyreek Hill, peak Travis Kelce version of

919
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: the Chiefs where they're throwing the ball down the field again.

920
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: But I do think that what they wanted to do

921
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: last year, they never had a chance to do it

922
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 3: because of the injuries they had early in the year.

923
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I think the biggest difference is, uh,

924
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: between me and you and Rich No Herbert for you,

925
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: Dak for you? Rich? Can you explain I gave a

926
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: little bit of an explanation about why I didn't have

927
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: Dak on my list. What are your thoughts on not

928
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: including Dak?

929
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you know, Dak just the historical

930
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: you know, punching up in big games, him coming off

931
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: of a significant injury, whereas you know, as hamstring was

932
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: basically detached, you know, gonna be thirty two, the rushing

933
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: component was already dwindling from his game already. So I

934
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: just kind of, you know, ros him out. He's definitely

935
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 3: a guy that I don't think is like I wouldn't

936
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: put him like in the bottom dwelling of QBS. But

937
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, the baseline, like the way my criteria was,

938
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, he still falls behind those

939
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: other players, and then I think definitely factor in like

940
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: team context too. It's it's hard to kind of think

941
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: get behind the where the Cowboys have kind of headed

942
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: right now. The offensive line is worse on paper. The

943
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: they do add George Pickens with the backfield looks like

944
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: a mess right now, the secondary looks like a mess.

945
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: I think, I'm curious, yes, you you're do you seem

946
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: like you're a supporter or the Cowboys do. They also

947
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: have one of the worst schedules in the league this year,

948
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: like they're their team. That terrifies me I and especially Brian.

949
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: They hire brought and shot Shottenheimer, head coach, like we're

950
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: doing this, like this is what we're doing Cowboys, Like

951
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: this is this Like it's just.

952
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: A reason why I do like I do like the

953
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: Cowboys a little bit. And we're going to talk about

954
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: this in a couple of weeks.

955
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: But uh, especially in that division, you know, Commander's Eagles.

956
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: Uh, I feel like the Cowboys defense could have been

957
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: so much better than it was last year, and offense,

958
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, because they had so many injuries. They were

959
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: down to basically nobody on either side of the ball

960
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: of any skill or repute, but not having Micah Parsons

961
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: the way they did, losing defensive lineman interior defensive lineman

962
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: at a rate that was similar to what was happening

963
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: with the Lions on their defensive side of the ball.

964
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: So I think that's a little bit underplayed. And there's

965
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: so much made about what a horrible decision it was

966
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: to hire Bright Brian Schottenheimer and just sort of the

967
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: way the Cowboys have generally been mismanaged as an organization

968
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: and a roster. But to Simon's credit, I might be

969
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: overlooking Dak's ability to influence and paper over some holes.

970
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: But to me, it's really about the improved defensive line

971
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys and their ability to disrupt that. I

972
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: think people are overlooking right now.

973
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they had an easy fix, right

974
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: They need to stop the run and run the ball.

975
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: There are two biggest weaknesses, no do, no doubt about it.

976
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: Last season they could not stop the run. Had the

977
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: worst running offense in football. So we'll see if they

978
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: addressed that. But yeah, the fact that you know they

979
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: keep drafting young studs on the offensive line. Dak now

980
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: has a great number two option, Like it feels like

981
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: I know they have a tough, tough schedule, but is

982
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: lined up from this season where you know they should

983
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: have a really good offense and a good defense. So

984
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: their team that Chad knows I've been talking about for

985
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: about four months now, is just an undervalued team that's

986
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: gonna be slept on because you just you're in a

987
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: division with a team that won the Super Bowl and

988
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: arguably be the best rookie quarterback we've ever seen. So

989
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: it just lines up as a better just an undervalued

990
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: team that people just it's not fun to bet Dallas

991
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: right now, and it's been a run of the publics

992
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: like backing them, and they're fans have backed them. Even

993
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: their fans are like, I don't know about this team.

994
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm excited to see what kind of season

995
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: they have because, like we just talked about Dak, it's

996
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: getting a little late here, brother, two and five playoffs,

997
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: Like you guys are making moves at this point. So yeah,

998
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Chad. It's a big year for.

999
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: Dallas, Simon. You and I, the big difference is you

1000
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: have CJ, Dak and Stafford. I did not include those

1001
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: guys in their place. I had Herbert Purty and who

1002
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: else did I have there? And Golf that you did

1003
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: not include. So those are our biggest differences. Herbert and Golf,

1004
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: for you were on the outside and Purdy was on

1005
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: the outside. So interesting, very interesting, And.

1006
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: I will give credit to Herbert if he can, i

1007
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: mean muster it together somehow win that division, that would

1008
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 2: change a lot of my views on him, because that's

1009
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: just been the Achilles heel for them. They can't win

1010
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: the division, they're in a wild card game. He goes

1011
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: on the road in the playoffs and he just gets

1012
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: his ass kicked like that just keeps happening. So hopefully Herbert,

1013
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: I know, our guy, our uncle Colin is all in

1014
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: on the Chargers this season. I am him totally. The

1015
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: other way. You're getting minus one ten of the chiefs

1016
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: in that division running to the window to bet that one.

1017
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: So the books, the public, everyone is in on this Chargers,

1018
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: this Chargers team in Denver. So yeah, Herbert, I'm with you, guys,

1019
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: like no one's denying the talent level. We all see

1020
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: the talent. It's just can you finally step up in

1021
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: the biggest game, just get a playoff win? Herbert, let

1022
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 2: me just say a one next to that too, because

1023
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: it's it's just brutal seeing that he's just so bad

1024
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and we know the talent's there.

1025
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell, can you tell us in the chat which

1026
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: which decision I made that you felt I should have

1027
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: been arrested for. Was it rock Perdy?

1028
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: Oh?

1029
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: Pretty above Stafford, prety above Stafford as well. Yeah, he

1030
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: didn't like Stafford to me, was the hardest choice to

1031
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: leave out. You know, like we have been all in

1032
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: on Stafford and I would normally put Stafford six or five,

1033
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: and I just feel like going four word this is uh,

1034
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, an opportunity for party to vault over. He's

1035
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: also you know, Matt Mitchell is also criticizing my love

1036
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: for Tua. To be clear, I was making a Devil's

1037
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: advocate argument for Tua. I wasn't saying he should be

1038
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: on the list. I was actually making the same twelve,

1039
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: making the same point Simon made, which is that if

1040
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: you just go by the numbers, you would put two

1041
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: in there. But we don't just go by the numbers.

1042
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: We go by more than just the numbers. And there's

1043
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: a difference, a nuanced difference between looking at the numbers

1044
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, this is what it is. Rich backed

1045
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: me up here as one of the brightest minds covering football,

1046
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: or just saying, hey, there's a lot of things that

1047
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: come into play here.

1048
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 3: Well, I think that was the kind of the case

1049
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: we're perty in Tua. Right when you compare the two,

1050
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, how much was was it this this player,

1051
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: this core back versus kind of the system? And we

1052
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 3: saw some things kind of fall apart in Miami last year,

1053
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: and you know, Tua didn't play as good as football,

1054
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: whereas everything fell apart from the forty nine ers and

1055
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: brock Perty still played really good football. That's why I

1056
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: think it solidifies, especially the loss of Christian McCaffrey. I mean,

1057
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: you look at last year. Only forty nine percent of

1058
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: Party's dropbacks last year came with the middle of the

1059
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 3: field closed. You know, your single high safeties, right, because

1060
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: they didn't have to respect the run the first two

1061
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: years of his career fifty nine point nine percent sixty

1062
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: and a half percent. Because teams had to respect Christian McAffrey.

1063
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: The Christan McCaffrey was in the field, teams were like,

1064
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: all right, brock Purty beat us. And you know what

1065
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: he did, throws ten yards a further downfield led the

1066
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: league in completion rate over ten percent higher than the

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Speaker 3: league average. Like this again, all these wide receivers were hurt.

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Speaker 3: I think Perdy kind of solidified that, like he's not

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Speaker 3: just a product of Kyle Shanahan. I think that last

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Speaker 3: the two, I think that Party gets the definite edge

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Speaker 3: over to A.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even considering Tua. What I feel like this

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Speaker 1: is because you deserve.

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Speaker 2: To be bashed. You're the two guy. Now happened?

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Speaker 1: I love to I don't have to tell you I

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Speaker 1: just think he's fantastic, Uh, Rich Riebar at Lord Reeves

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Find your analysis at sharp footballanalysis dot com.

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Speaker 1: It is outstanding. Rich has two great stories up right now.

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Speaker 1: One his consistent positional tears, which are great especially relevant

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Speaker 1: for fantasy, but also a breakdown of some of the

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Speaker 1: trends we saw last year, specifically related to kick off

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Speaker 1: returns and how that impacted scoring. It was a very

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Speaker 1: high scoring year with a lot of records broken, and

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Speaker 1: how we might be able to glean something new for

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Speaker 1: this year from what happened last year. Rich, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on the show. Uh The Favorites. The Favorites will

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Speaker 1: return with our next episode Tuesday on the Action Network

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