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Speaker 1: there's you know, there's a lot going on. We got Collision,
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Speaker 1: Let's get going, got a lot to talk about. Soy
Speaker 1: Stark has said thank you to fans for their love
Speaker 1: and support. She said it means more to her than
Speaker 1: they'll ever know. What hurts more than my knee, she says,
Speaker 1: is knowing I won't be able to perform for all
Speaker 1: of you for a while. I love what I do
Speaker 1: and I'm blessed to do this. As the saying goes,
Speaker 1: the comeback is greater than the setback. Love you, guys.
Speaker 1: So there's no official word on her knee, but the
Speaker 1: fact that she says she will not be performing for
Speaker 1: a while, well obviously something went badly wrong. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that means torn acl I don't know if
Speaker 1: that means she tore everything, but it does appear she's
Speaker 1: going to be out of action for quite a while.
Speaker 1: So all the best to her, and maybe we'll get
Speaker 1: an update. Maybe we won't sting With wrestling nowadays, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll tell us what's going on, and sometimes they don't.
Speaker 1: So all the best to her. Now, some big news
Speaker 1: and we actually don't know the extent of this yet,
Speaker 1: but we will very soon. WWE, as reported by Brnan Thurst,
Speaker 1: obtained he obtained a statement from the Greater New Orleans
Speaker 1: Sport Foundation that claims the city will be hosting WrestleMania
Speaker 1: not next year, but in a quote later unspecified year.
Speaker 1: So this is a really big story because you know,
Speaker 1: they announced WrestleMania New Orleans, and not only do they
Speaker 1: announce a WrestleMania in New Orleans, but you know a
Speaker 1: lot of the independent groups. I mean, you know, tickets
Speaker 1: or hotels were purchased and buildings were rented, and you know,
Speaker 1: this is more than just WWE, you know, canceling WrestleMania
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I mean, this is gonna have a huge
Speaker 1: effect on all of the other promotions that had already
Speaker 1: made plans to run New Orleans over WrestleMania weekend. So obviously,
Speaker 1: the deal here is they're getting a better deal somewhere else.
Speaker 1: And there are three places that are being rumored as
Speaker 1: of today, And well, of course they can just cancel
Speaker 1: their plans, but I mean I'm talking like you know,
Speaker 1: it depends on what the deal they made with particular buildings.
Speaker 1: I mean, can they get the entire deposit back, and
Speaker 1: they not. It's one thing with hotels, but it might
Speaker 1: be something different with renting out buildings and everything that
Speaker 1: goes into putting together a series of shows over WrestleMania weekend.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the three rumored locations for WrestleMania next year
Speaker 1: are now London, Mexico, and Saudi Arabia. So I see
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the chat are presuming it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Saudi Arabia. The thing with Saudi Arabia, Saudi
Speaker 1: Arabia is getting the Royal Rumble, and I suppose they
Speaker 1: could also change the Royal rumble. You know, let's been
Speaker 1: do the Royal Rumble somewhere else and then do WrestleMania
Speaker 1: in Saudi. But I mean, if you ask me, my
Speaker 1: gut tells me that Saudi is the least likely of
Speaker 1: the three possibilities. I think, very good chance. London. It's
Speaker 1: been talked about for a long time. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as aw did a and crowd in Wembley,
Speaker 1: you knew that we was going to want to go
Speaker 1: in and you know, break that record. And the other option,
Speaker 1: which I think, especially because the whole situation with the
Speaker 1: purchase of Triple A. And it's more than just wanting
Speaker 1: a presence in Mexico. They obviously want a big presence
Speaker 1: in Mexico, but also they want to be number one
Speaker 1: in Mexico. They want to beat CMLL. I mean as
Speaker 1: tech stadium for WrestleMania, I don't think is out of
Speaker 1: the question. So I presume we're going to find out
Speaker 1: fairly soon where WrestleMania is going to be next year.
Speaker 1: But it is not going to be in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: And you know, whether it's in London or whether it's
Speaker 1: in Mexico. I mean, there's a reason for this, and
Speaker 1: that is either we're going after a w or we're
Speaker 1: going after CMLL. So we'll find out who's top of
Speaker 1: the list for this coming year. So that's the update
Speaker 1: on that. If you if you made plans for New Orleans, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can still go to New Orleans. It's fun,
Speaker 1: but you ain't gonna see WrestleMania there. All right. We've
Speaker 1: also got to talk some ratings notes. I know people
Speaker 1: don't like to talk about ratings, but I'll make it quick.
Speaker 1: First off, at XT six hundred and ninety seven thousand
Speaker 1: viewers and a point thirteen, so viewership was up and
Speaker 1: eighteen to forty nine was down. So just basically more
Speaker 1: old people were watching the show. Nothing really to talk
Speaker 1: about there is what is notable here is RAW. So
Speaker 1: here's the thing. And this applies to a WWE and AW,
Speaker 1: it applies to Raw, and it applies to Max. We
Speaker 1: don't have any idea how these shows are doing. Okay.
Speaker 1: Max doesn't give any information at all. And you know,
Speaker 1: allegedly Tony a AW, they can't even get any information
Speaker 1: about how many people are watching on Max other than
Speaker 1: it's doing well whatever that means. And you know, with
Speaker 1: Raw on Netflix, Netflix announces numbers and then everybody tries
Speaker 1: to do math to find out, well, how many people
Speaker 1: were were actually watching. So according to Netflix, the April twelfth,
Speaker 1: Raw did five point one million viewing hours and two
Speaker 1: point seven million global viewers. So this would mean, uh,
Speaker 1: RAW did one point one five six million viewers over
Speaker 1: seven days, and like the same day viewership of RAW
Speaker 1: would allegedly be nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers. Okay,
Speaker 1: nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers. Now, I talked
Speaker 1: about this a little bit yesterday. I don't buy this
Speaker 1: at all. I don't think there's any way that only
Speaker 1: nine hundred and eighty thousand people are watching raw on
Speaker 1: Monday nights. I don't know. Like with Nielsen, the way
Speaker 1: they get the viewership as well. You know there's this
Speaker 1: number of households. In each household, there's X number of viewers.
Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe Netflix just says if it's
Speaker 1: on in the house, it's one viewer. I mean, people
Speaker 1: are are gonna go nuts in the chat, but this
Speaker 1: is this is reality, everybody, Okay, we know that a
Speaker 1: percentage of the aw viewership is watching on Max. I
Speaker 1: know people like to say it's there's nobody watching whatever,
Speaker 1: but there are Okay. I've always estimated between one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty and two hundred and fifty thousand people are
Speaker 1: watching on Max. I don't think it's a half million
Speaker 1: people watching on Max. I don't think it's a million people.
Speaker 1: I think on a good week it's probably near two fifty.
Speaker 1: On a bad week, it's maybe closer to one fifty.
Speaker 1: But we're talking like between one hundred and fifty and
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand people. And people can deny
Speaker 1: it all they want, but like every time we talk
Speaker 1: about it on the chat, you know, on the YouTube
Speaker 1: chat you can ask anybody, lots of people are watching
Speaker 1: on Max. I quit watching, like I only watch on
Speaker 1: Max all the shows. I don't think it's crazy that
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand people are watching AW on Max.
Speaker 1: But what is what? I find it hard to believe
Speaker 1: that if you add in TBS and TNT the viewership
Speaker 1: of Dynamite Collision, especially Dynamite, and you add in the
Speaker 1: Max viewership, what this would be saying is that Raw
Speaker 1: and Dynamite are basically neck and neck. And I can't
Speaker 1: buy that just from looking at what are these shows
Speaker 1: drawing to the buildings, How many people are showing up
Speaker 1: for the shows? You know, what are they drawing for television?
Speaker 1: What are they drawing when they go on the road?
Speaker 1: You know, how are they doing in terms of big shows?
Speaker 1: How are they doing in terms like every aspect of business.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that Raw on Monday Night and Dynamite
Speaker 1: on Wednesday are essentially doing the same viewership. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: the case, but I think something is really weird with
Speaker 1: these Netflix numbers. I can't buy that Raw on Monday
Speaker 1: two weeks ago did nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense, but that's that's allegedly the number.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was easy in the old days
Speaker 1: when everybody, like, whatever you think about Nielsen ratings, whether
Speaker 1: you think they're accurate or not, at least like they
Speaker 1: were all Nielsen ratings, So whether they were accutate or not,
Speaker 1: they were all you could compare them all. Now when
Speaker 1: we've got Netflix has this wacky number and whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: Max has who knows, I mean, we don't know. Back
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Speaker 1: You know, Tony Kahn's doing a media call right now.
Speaker 1: You know he just said he said Max is still
Speaker 1: building pay per view capability. I remember I said that
Speaker 1: like six eight months ago, and we had these fellas,
Speaker 1: one in particular, who said, you're wrong. They could do
Speaker 1: pay per view if they wanted, they should hire me.
Speaker 1: I could have it set up and actually said that
Speaker 1: if they hired me, I'd have it set up immediately.
Speaker 1: Well they're still building.
Speaker 9: It, so.
Speaker 1: Whatever, All right, we got to talk about this this
Speaker 1: Dynamite show.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a very good go home show for the
Speaker 1: show this weekend, and we still have Collision coming up tonight.
Speaker 1: So we had a Hangman Will Osprey face to face,
Speaker 1: which I thought was excellent. Two baby faces. They both
Speaker 1: really want the title for their own reasons. They both
Speaker 1: there was no physicality, nothing, They just both stated their
Speaker 1: case and to be honest, I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna do a turn or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: of the two, you know, Osprey was the one that
Speaker 1: kind of had the edge there at the end of
Speaker 1: the heel edge and he said that he was going
Speaker 1: to he was gonna take out hang Man. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do about it? Wrap a chair around my skull?
Speaker 1: Beat me so bad I have to retire, like Chris Daniels.
Speaker 1: Hangman was very upset about that, and they ended up
Speaker 1: drinking together and it was excellent. Like if you want
Speaker 1: to see a great go home section for a match,
Speaker 1: this is it. And when it was over, I mean,
Speaker 1: Will Osprey is asked for the main event slot at
Speaker 1: the pay per view. It definitely feels like the most
Speaker 1: important match on the show because it does seem like
Speaker 1: the winner of this match is going to all in
Speaker 1: and winning that title from John Moxley. Seems like a very,
Speaker 1: very very important match. But man, I'm not sure about
Speaker 1: following that anarchy in an arena. I just don't know
Speaker 1: if I'd do that, but that's what he wanted. Then
Speaker 1: we had Moxley and the Young Bucks versus Joe, Swerve
Speaker 1: and Hobbs. Party match. Excellent match, great heat. The finish
Speaker 1: was Joe choking out Nick pin Matt Clean with a cradle,
Speaker 1: which was revenge for I think about a week ago
Speaker 1: when Matt pinned him with a small package. And then
Speaker 1: the Death Writers came out and we had Shabbada, Marina Willow,
Speaker 1: Kenny oh Omega, everybody running wild and it was kind
Speaker 1: of amazing because like they did a challenge afterwards with
Speaker 1: Joe say, we're gonna beat you guys up tonight. Why
Speaker 1: wait for Sunday? But I will say, you know, at
Speaker 1: this point in the show, we still didn't know who
Speaker 1: was in the anarchy in the arena match, and honestly, honestly,
Speaker 1: right now we still don't really know. They've announced a
Speaker 1: match and it was Simojo Shabata, Swerve, Hobbes, Omega and
Speaker 1: Willow against Moxley, Claudio Wheeler, Young Bucks and Marina. So
Speaker 1: six on six, but they announced this before they did
Speaker 1: the main event segment, which saw the return of Gabe
Speaker 1: Kid to uneven the odds in favor of the Heels
Speaker 1: and so like. Officially at this point it's six on six.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be seven on seven and Gabe
Speaker 1: Kid will be added and probably the return of Eddie
Speaker 1: Kingston on the Babyface side, but again we don't know.
Speaker 1: We shall I guess find out on Sunday or maybe tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but probably Sunday. We had the Hurt Syndicate segment and
Speaker 1: the MVP MJF contract signing, and this was kind of
Speaker 1: one of those things. You know, we had a guy
Speaker 1: call say, you know what what what names some storylines
Speaker 1: that were like really really great, but the payoff was
Speaker 1: kind of whatever. And granted this wasn't the full payoff,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's more to come. But last week
Speaker 1: MJF was accepted into the Hurt Syndicate, but they said
Speaker 1: next week you must sign the contract, and so I
Speaker 1: think myself and everybody on the planet figured, okay, well
Speaker 1: something's going down next week. Ain't gonna be good for MJF.
Speaker 1: But instead what they did is MJF signed the contract,
Speaker 1: the other guys signed the contract, and then Dustin Rhodes
Speaker 1: and Sammy just came out and cut a promo for
Speaker 1: the tag match. There was no angle, there was no surprise, nothing.
Speaker 1: They just I don't even know why we needed to
Speaker 1: extend it another week after they accepted him last week.
Speaker 1: So it felt like, well, maybe there was gonna be
Speaker 1: something that happened, but so many people were figuring it
Speaker 1: out that they just shifted and they'll do the turn later.
Speaker 1: But man, it was weird. I mean, this was a
Speaker 1: weird one. So then we had Rikoshet and Anthony Bowens
Speaker 1: and you know, Bones came out kind of had the
Speaker 1: booboo face, got beat when Billy Gunn did something stupid
Speaker 1: for reasons unknown, and Ricochet jabbed him with the scissors,
Speaker 1: pinned him, and then Bones was out of there and
Speaker 1: they did an angle with Mark Briscoe and Ricochet, and
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they do they do wins and
Speaker 1: losses and everything, and you know they don't do a
Speaker 1: lot of screw job finishes, but man, they this felt.
Speaker 1: This felt like when you used to watch we and
Speaker 1: you know a guy would get a push for three
Speaker 1: weeks and then you know Vince would give up on him.
Speaker 1: That's what this felt like here. So we'll see what
Speaker 1: the future is for Anthony Bowens. We had Renee interviewing
Speaker 1: Mercedes and Jamie. I thought it was pretty good. Not
Speaker 1: nearly as good as the segment with will Ospray and
Speaker 1: hang Man, but it was fine and ended up with
Speaker 1: a brawl unlike the opening segment, and Jamie later out
Speaker 1: with eight or eight. So the way they pretty much
Speaker 1: everybody books, I think it's pretty clear we're getting Mercedes
Speaker 1: and Tony at all in and the main event. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a very interesting to look at the quarters here,
Speaker 1: because yes, I realized that Joe said, you know this,
Speaker 1: this anarchy in the arena is going to start tonight,
Speaker 1: but he said that like an hour and a half earlier,
Speaker 1: and even though I saw it an hour and a
Speaker 1: half later, there'd been no mention of it. And I
Speaker 1: watched Mina Shirakaw and Julia Hart and I thought, wow,
Speaker 1: this is the main event. This is it. I would
Speaker 1: not have done this for a main event, so I
Speaker 1: mean it was fine. Mina Shirakaw was awesome. Julia hard
Speaker 1: could very much do with a tour of Japan do
Speaker 1: a bunch of indie dates. I mean, she is one
Speaker 1: of many in aw that you know, they're basically where
Speaker 1: they were five years ago, and it's just not enough reps.
Speaker 1: You can't improve doing a show a month or less,
Speaker 1: especially if you've been injured. So it was just a
Speaker 1: huge gulf in like the ability of these two women.
Speaker 1: Mina was incredible and she won obviously, and then Julie went. Afterwards,
Speaker 1: sky Blue hit the ring, Tony Storm hit the ring,
Speaker 1: had a big brawl, and then like I thought that
Speaker 1: was good. You know, they did the face to face
Speaker 1: with will Ospray and Hangman. They didn't any physicality, and
Speaker 1: I don't think this one needed any either, But Mina
Speaker 1: attacked Tony put her in the figure four around the post.
Speaker 1: Tony sold it big, and this one to me felt
Speaker 1: like I don't think we needed this one. I think
Speaker 1: it was just fine to do the match, do the angle.
Speaker 1: Plus there's gonna be a bunch of as we found
Speaker 1: out afterwards, physicality afterwards with the Anarchy and the arena crew.
Speaker 1: So the Bucks go to leave Matt in a cocky manner,
Speaker 1: says this. Joe said he was gonna attack us before
Speaker 1: we left, but we're leaving and he did an attack us,
Speaker 1: so he is a pathological liar, and he winks and
Speaker 1: goes to leave, and of course here comes Joe and
Speaker 1: we have the wild brawl, and you know, the Babyfaces
Speaker 1: are are doing well. But then Gabe Kid shows up
Speaker 1: and they did the record scratch with the music they
Speaker 1: had playing, and the Heels took over Omegan Swerve got
Speaker 1: put through tables by the Bucks and the Heels stood
Speaker 1: a tall. So we'll see what they do on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Death Writers lost the Trios titles.
Speaker 1: That was the first crack in the armor. But I
Speaker 1: think that maybe the best course of action is for
Speaker 1: Moxley to get the pin in Anarchy in the arena
Speaker 1: because he should be very strong going into the championship
Speaker 1: match against the Swerve Hangman or the Hangman and Osprey
Speaker 1: winner at the pay per view. So I think that
Speaker 1: I think that he should get the win in that match,
Speaker 1: and then whoever ends up winning, that's your big match
Speaker 1: coming up at all in So, that was dynamite. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a very good go home show, and
Speaker 1: then tonight we have got the Collision Show, and I
Speaker 1: was told in terms of like wrestling, good show, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like they did a whole bunch of angles.
Speaker 1: The big heavy angle show for the pay per view
Speaker 1: was Dynamite, So we've got Commander and Speedball versus Rush
Speaker 1: and Realistico. Mercedes Monet defends the TBS title against Reyna Isis.
Speaker 1: I have no idea why this is a championship match.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had the video package, that's all great
Speaker 1: and good, but this is another one of those. They've
Speaker 1: done this before too. It's like Mercedes has a big
Speaker 1: match coming up at the pay per view, why is
Speaker 1: she in a random title match on the Collision before
Speaker 1: the pay per view. I think it's ridiculous, but that's
Speaker 1: what they did. FTR and Daniel Garcia and Nigel McGinnis
Speaker 1: will do the contract signing. Kyle Fletcher versus Jay Lethal.
Speaker 1: The Paragon will face the Grizzled Young Vets. They've built
Speaker 1: that up for several weeks. Josh Alexander faces aar Fox,
Speaker 1: the much maligned ar Fox, Mistico Templorio and Mascriderada versus
Speaker 1: Volador Junior Magnus and Ruhido, which sounds awesome, and Takeushta
Speaker 1: and rapung Device versus Bandido and the Outrunners, and it
Speaker 1: was essentially told good wrestling. You know, you can probably
Speaker 1: figure out the finishes to nearly all the matches even
Speaker 1: without and I don't know the finishes, guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have no spoilers for you. But that's uh, that's
Speaker 1: Collision tonight. And also tonight is Impact with Joe Here
Speaker 1: and Elijah versus Moose and Brian Myers, AJ Francis and
Speaker 1: Casey Navarro versus Santana and Sammy Callahan mister Stone and
Speaker 1: Santino will have an inn ring debate, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and most of all le versus Ace Austin back in
Speaker 1: the moment with our old friend of Anny Pacifico Wrestling
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Begging the show. Brian Elver is here Wrestling Observer Alive.
Speaker 1: Vinnie Pacifico is joining us here today. We've got a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about, Vinnie. What's going on? Brian?
Speaker 11: How are you? Thank you for having me?
Speaker 1: That's right. How are you feeling after Well? I guess
Speaker 1: it's probably been a few weekends. But saw a couple
Speaker 1: of weekends ago. So os we partied in Seattle, didn't we?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 1: I don't know about partying but we hung out a
Speaker 1: little bit. How was the show? What'd you think?
Speaker 11: I loved it. I always loved wrestling out west on
Speaker 11: the West Coast, especially the SITH Northwest because honestly some
Speaker 11: of the best talent, best locker rooms that I've ever
Speaker 11: been in, So I always enjoyed going out there.
Speaker 1: It is. It is such a change from back in
Speaker 1: the day, all of these great promotions and shows and
Speaker 1: locker rooms. I mean, how often do you get out
Speaker 1: to SOS So It.
Speaker 11: Used to be a lot more often. I would get
Speaker 11: a lot of loops out there, but this year it
Speaker 11: hasn't been as much as I like because I just
Speaker 11: have a lot going on with movies, TV stuff like that.
Speaker 11: I'm kind of like struggling a lot of different things
Speaker 11: at once. But I try to get out to the
Speaker 11: West Coast whenever I can, really because I love it
Speaker 11: out there. I really actually enjoyed my time this there,
Speaker 11: this week, I mean last week, because the crowds were
Speaker 11: just erupting singing my entrance songs. That's up than that,
Speaker 11: you know, the feeling you can't be that feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a hot crowd phenomenal now, you you know.
Speaker 1: I was surprised. This is actually the first time we
Speaker 1: ever met in person at that show, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I never thought about it, but I was surprised to
Speaker 1: learn you're only twenty five. Yeah, God, you're like a child.
Speaker 1: You were born in the year two thousand.
Speaker 11: No twenty six, men in twenty six.
Speaker 1: Oh you're about turn twenty six.
Speaker 11: Okay, so you're born yeah April thirteenth.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you were born in the nineties. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not so bad. There's a very tail end. But well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you, you know, you're very young
Speaker 1: and uh, but you're already kind of moving into uh
Speaker 1: looking at way movies and television slots. I mean, is
Speaker 1: are you looking at like? Man? You know, how long
Speaker 1: can I do this at twenty six? Or what are
Speaker 1: you thinking?
Speaker 11: So for me, it's just I believe make the most
Speaker 11: of every opportunity given right, and I love wrestling. I
Speaker 11: will never stop wrestling until my body tells me stop.
Speaker 11: But I think, why not venture out into other things
Speaker 11: and become more valuable in wrestling? Right? I think so
Speaker 11: many wrestlers that you could your name went to Hollywood,
Speaker 11: went to acting, and they became biggert. So I feel
Speaker 11: as if why not do the same, why not try
Speaker 11: and grow in other ways? And so I have been
Speaker 11: very lucky. I've gotten to do a few movies already
Speaker 11: and a TVs here is that's coming up very soon.
Speaker 11: And it's been really rewarding, you know, getting to learn
Speaker 11: different things, be in different places, meet different people, and
Speaker 11: just become more well rounded. And I believe it will
Speaker 11: help me in the long one in parrestling, you know.
Speaker 1: Around your age, I also was kind of interested in
Speaker 1: doing some acting. And what I did was like around here,
Speaker 1: we got the Seattle Film Institute, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that film's around here, and I just started
Speaker 1: going all of these different auditions, and you know, I
Speaker 1: got some little things here and there, some commercials and
Speaker 1: some student films, and then you kind of put a
Speaker 1: resume together and then you go to auditions. Is that
Speaker 1: essentially what you did?
Speaker 11: Pretty much? Know, someone from of my family kind of
Speaker 11: had a spot open for the first time on a
Speaker 11: movie called Frequency of Miracles, and uh, but me for it.
Speaker 11: I did it. I made tons of connections at that
Speaker 11: screen at that doming and it turned into another film.
Speaker 11: Actually I just filmed last Wednesday. I can't get into
Speaker 11: much detail about it, but it's gonna be a really
Speaker 11: really awesome movie. Uh peep up. The cast is insane
Speaker 11: and yeah, so it just a lot of things steamroll
Speaker 11: when you when you make one thing happen, more and
Speaker 11: more things happen, and when you make yourself available for
Speaker 11: these things to happen, it really can take off. So yeah,
Speaker 11: kind of just I'm kind of going with the flow,
Speaker 11: wrestling every single week and then taking whatever comes. But
Speaker 11: I feel as if I'm enjoying getting more and more
Speaker 11: opportunities and being more and more busy because why not.
Speaker 1: Now, how does it work in terms of let's say
Speaker 1: you get some role and you're gonna you're gonna do
Speaker 1: something for a film, and you know how normally works
Speaker 1: is they they film everything and then you know, once
Speaker 1: everything is wrapped, sometimes they'll need you again for okay,
Speaker 1: well we need to redo this thing here, or we
Speaker 1: need to you know, you got a voice over something
Speaker 1: here or whatever. Has Has this ever gotten in the
Speaker 1: way of a wrestling booking?
Speaker 11: No, so luckily they've been very lenient. Or to be honest,
Speaker 11: every time that I've been needed something's always a weekday,
Speaker 11: I believe, or weekend I'm not even wrestling, so it's
Speaker 11: pretty It's been pretty good. I haven't acually had to
Speaker 11: pull off honey rows before of it. So I filmed
Speaker 11: this upcoming wrestling TV theory is called Mister Reset, and
Speaker 11: I've had to go back and film a few things
Speaker 11: over and over again. But they're very lenient. They know
Speaker 11: wrestling the weekend, so they kind of booked everything during
Speaker 11: the week which is awesome and I'd love it to
Speaker 11: do that for us.
Speaker 1: What have you learned from your time doing acting and
Speaker 1: television and film and such that you have brought to wrestling.
Speaker 11: Wow, it's a great question. Uh, pretty much. Ways to
Speaker 11: deal with pressure, because being on a camera is just
Speaker 11: I've done it for so many years wrestling, and I
Speaker 11: feel as if it's it's very similar in some ways.
Speaker 11: You know, wrestling is kind of no retries, No you
Speaker 11: have one take, so but I would tell you the
Speaker 11: way I deal with pressure in the way that the
Speaker 11: pressure is applied is different. But I guess it's good
Speaker 11: practice to be mentally under pressure so that I just
Speaker 11: been able to adapt to these things, you know what
Speaker 11: I'm saying, or able to be in the situations so
Speaker 11: that I can learn and be malleable for any type
Speaker 11: of situation I'm going to be in.
Speaker 1: So the flip side, it's a mental thing. And the
Speaker 1: flip side is what have you taken from wrestling and
Speaker 1: that you have applied to your versioning film career a lot.
Speaker 11: So I've I'm very good to improv. So I'm from
Speaker 11: wrestling of course, all these years promos or on the cuffs,
Speaker 11: you know, in ring promos or backstage interviews, and I
Speaker 11: view that and it's got me got me pretty good,
Speaker 11: so success so far. So I would say wrestling has
Speaker 11: given me such a tremendous uh skill at being able
Speaker 11: to improv and being able to work under pressure and
Speaker 11: be able to just take a step back and perform
Speaker 11: my best. And you know, it's amazing how how wrestling
Speaker 11: has taught me that and gotten me to where I
Speaker 11: am now.
Speaker 1: So obviously, when when you are a wrestler who then
Speaker 1: transitions to TV or film, I mean there's there's various
Speaker 1: characters that you can play. And obviously, if your character
Speaker 1: in a movie or film is a big, bombastic, you know,
Speaker 1: pro wrestling style character, well it's easy to just be
Speaker 1: a pro wrestler. But if your if your role is
Speaker 1: to be more of a normal person, not a big,
Speaker 1: bombastic character.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's actually very different from wrestling because in wrestling you
Speaker 1: want to be big, and you don't necessarily want to
Speaker 1: be that big when you're playing a role for film.
Speaker 11: Interesting, Okay, I mean I have not played anything that
Speaker 11: outlandish yet, but I'm looking forward to learning, you know
Speaker 11: what I mean. I actually I'm in talk to some
Speaker 11: films in South America. It's fun yesterday, you know. So
Speaker 11: I don't know what to respect, but I'm obviously gonna
Speaker 11: give to get my all, of course, with everything that
Speaker 11: I'm given. But the TV series Mister Reset, I'm playing
Speaker 11: myself Viny Power punch s Pacifico. So it's kind of easy, yeah,
Speaker 11: to do that because it's my wrestling character. But a
Speaker 11: lot of the other films that I've done have been
Speaker 11: very an interview based for the most part also, so
Speaker 11: it's kinds of just me peeling back, you know, the
Speaker 11: curtain a little bit of my life and just talking
Speaker 11: about getting Bully going off and just being somebody who
Speaker 11: wants to inspire. And so I would say that like
Speaker 11: it's film, I hadn't really had to act.
Speaker 1: For those couple of movies I just did, sure.
Speaker 11: But it's actually expanded me to mental health and uh like, So,
Speaker 11: for example, does a TV show coming out very soon
Speaker 11: called Men Speaking? Is that it's at the roundtable. Four
Speaker 11: people sit in a chair and talk about mental health,
Speaker 11: self love, dealing with life's hardest obstacles. And I got
Speaker 11: chance for it. So one thing leads to the other,
Speaker 11: leads to the other, leads to the other. So and
Speaker 11: they all see each other and they're all positive things.
Speaker 11: So I'm very, very grateful for all these things.
Speaker 1: So did you have you had issues in your life
Speaker 1: with mental health or or what was your role in this?
Speaker 11: Yeah? So growing up, you know, I got bullied in
Speaker 11: school for like and wrestling, you know, and it really
Speaker 11: wasn't fun. I've always told you can't. You don't deserve this,
Speaker 11: you don't deserve that. Like I was like playing football
Speaker 11: and I got terrible bully just for wearing a John
Speaker 11: sena shirt, even with the un football team as the quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 11: So I had to do a lot of bullying going up,
Speaker 11: and self esteem issues and kinds of I never really
Speaker 11: thought of my had self love, right, but I through
Speaker 11: my marriage and through finding my wife, I've developed self
Speaker 11: love through her, which is amazing. She's helped me learn
Speaker 11: to love myself and now I try to just you know,
Speaker 11: express self love and try to you know, inspire people
Speaker 11: to learn to love themselves and to believe in themselves
Speaker 11: and take a step forward and take a chance on
Speaker 11: themselves to believe that they could do anything they want
Speaker 11: to do. And that's kind of been my really, my
Speaker 11: my thing is like I want people to be able
Speaker 11: to love themselves enough to believe in themselves to do
Speaker 11: the thing that they're scared to do. But hey, if
Speaker 11: they want to. Like, for example, there are people who
Speaker 11: want to wrestle but don't don't They don't believe they
Speaker 11: could do it. They don't think they they don't think
Speaker 11: they have whatever it takes to do it. I think,
Speaker 11: screw that. Love yourself enough and believe yourself enough to
Speaker 11: do it and try to try the goals that you
Speaker 11: have in life because you only live once.
Speaker 1: So so essentially this is this is very easy to
Speaker 1: work into a babyface character.
Speaker 11: I guess. So, I mean that's true, yeah, but it's
Speaker 11: all legit. You know, I've dealt with this the whole life,
Speaker 11: and you know, I've had to look in the mirror
Speaker 11: and learn to love who I am. And and I'm
Speaker 11: very grateful that I have an amazing woman by my
Speaker 11: side who teaches me that and taught me how to
Speaker 11: love myself. So I try and always in buy other
Speaker 11: people to take those steps forward, to create self love
Speaker 11: and to work on themselves because you live in your mind.
Speaker 11: You live in your mind, and no one else knows
Speaker 11: what you're going through. So I just think, you know,
Speaker 11: you have to take care of mental health first.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to, I don't want to
Speaker 1: make light of mental health or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: this this very much reminds me of John Cena, where
Speaker 1: he was a babyface. It was always never give up,
Speaker 1: and if you go on on his Twitter social media,
Speaker 1: like every day he had some new motivational quote and yeah,
Speaker 1: and so then he turned heel. Okay, And when he
Speaker 1: turned heel, I had all of these great ideas, like
Speaker 1: this guy needs to do his motivational quotes, but they
Speaker 1: should be like just quit or don't get out of
Speaker 1: bed today. I thought there were like all these things
Speaker 1: that he could do to like make this character like,
Speaker 1: you know, play off the anti John Cena, But instead
Speaker 1: he just did the same John Cene. He's just a
Speaker 1: bad guy now yelling at people. So have you ever
Speaker 1: have you ever played the heel role. I've only seen
Speaker 1: you doing babyface stuff.
Speaker 11: Yes, I've played the heel role plenty of times. I
Speaker 11: love being a heel because it's literally me, like at
Speaker 11: the opposite of me. You know, I'm an annoying version
Speaker 11: of myself. I'm more dislikable. And yeah, I love playing Neil,
Speaker 11: but I've often a face. But when I get to
Speaker 11: be a heel, I really sit back and I enjoy it,
Speaker 11: you know, because these fans get really rowdy and they
Speaker 11: give the middle finger and they curse at you, and
Speaker 11: it's it's really cool to have different tyes, of different
Speaker 11: sides of the coin. You know, when they come out
Speaker 11: and they love you, and then you know, you go
Speaker 11: to a different town, you come out and they just
Speaker 11: get in your face, give you your real finger, tell
Speaker 11: you to goes through yourself. You know, it's fun.
Speaker 1: So so do you make do you make the call? Like,
Speaker 1: let's say you're going to a town you've never been
Speaker 1: to before, do you make the call going in or
Speaker 1: are you? Are you and your opponents sort of like,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever, However, they react to me like that's
Speaker 1: the way we're going here.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 11: Usually I'm brought into baby face for the most most part.
Speaker 11: You know, even in Europe, I was brought in a
Speaker 11: baby's face. But if I get told otherwise, they want
Speaker 11: me to be a heel. They want me to they
Speaker 11: want to challenge me and say, oh, Vinny, you know,
Speaker 11: I want to see a deal. Can I have no
Speaker 11: problem doing it. And it's literally just the same character,
Speaker 11: just switch to a different uh detective. You know. So
Speaker 11: it's like, as opposed to me drinking and edgy drink
Speaker 11: poking up, how about drink anergy drink and spew it
Speaker 11: into your opponent's face, in your eyes and they can't see.
Speaker 11: And then that could combined.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know.
Speaker 11: So it's kind of two sides of the you know
Speaker 11: coin where it's like, you know, come out energize. I'm
Speaker 11: not ready to go. I could still be energized as
Speaker 11: a bad guy, but I just do it in a
Speaker 11: really more annoying way.
Speaker 1: All right, Well hold that thought back in a moment
Speaker 1: Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simpervv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back of the show, Brain Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Vinnie Pacifico is joining us here today. I love saying
Speaker 1: that name, and Vinnie, what do you got? Coming up?
Speaker 1: A lot?
Speaker 11: A lot so in private screening fore of my films
Speaker 11: on this Monday, this Sunday, I wrestle in Connecticut for
Speaker 11: for Wrestling, Magic and Taiju. I will be heading to
Speaker 11: Florida very shortly in the next couple of weeks to
Speaker 11: do CCW in Kissing Me and CCW in Port Saint
Speaker 11: Lucy in Game of War, their biggest OH of the year.
Speaker 11: And a lot going on. You know, I got some
Speaker 11: West Coast. I got March thirty first, I come back
Speaker 11: to Seattle or not Northwest Pro March or May for
Speaker 11: the title?
Speaker 1: What's up May thirty first?
Speaker 11: Yep? May thirty first?
Speaker 1: All right, you said March? All right, May thirty first?
Speaker 10: Maybe?
Speaker 11: Oh right, my bed May thirty first. So yeah, a
Speaker 11: lot going on. I'm very grateful for everything, and I
Speaker 11: just I'm ready for it.
Speaker 9: All.
Speaker 1: Well, we got ten seconds here. What's your favorite state
Speaker 1: to wrestle in?
Speaker 9: Wow?
Speaker 11: Favorite states of wrestling? I will have to say.
Speaker 1: Oregon really Oregon.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Oregon or Seattle.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would not have expected that. Nothing against Oregon
Speaker 1: or anything. It's beautiful, but uh man, you got the
Speaker 1: whole country here. You got lots of sun over there
Speaker 1: on the east coast Florida.
Speaker 11: So interesting, No, I know, but I do love. I
Speaker 11: do love the crowds, and I'm northwest Northwest. They've been
Speaker 11: amazing to me for many, many years.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you so much for doing
Speaker 1: the show today. Best of lug where everything. We'll do
Speaker 1: this again soon. Maybe I'll try and head out May
Speaker 1: thirty first if I can, and and all the best,
Speaker 1: good luck with everything.
Speaker 11: He remember, friend appreciates you, and.
Speaker 1: Of course thanks everybody for listening. We're out of time,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk to you on Friday. Wrestling Observer Live.
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