Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pi Zapia,
Speaker 1: and today we're gonna take a look at the rookie
Speaker 1: class of twenty twenty four and what they may or
Speaker 1: may not do in twenty twenty five. To help us
Speaker 1: go through it, the Undertaker himself, Andrew Erickson, and our
Speaker 1: newest contributor here to Fantasy Pros, straight from the Athletics
Speaker 1: own Jake Seally. Jake Seely, good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 1: Speaking of royal rumbles, got any predictions? You know, we
Speaker 1: just mentioned the Undertaker there a little bit. Obviously he's
Speaker 1: not in the game anymore. Thank god, I don't need
Speaker 1: more Undertaker comebacks. But since we're talking about rookies and
Speaker 1: things like that, is there a prediction or maybe a
Speaker 1: new person showing up with the rumble you want to
Speaker 1: predict before Saturday?
Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna do the West's face now, I just
Speaker 2: did the brain one that Joe Henry so John Cena. Yes,
Speaker 2: Hendri feels like the obvious surprise that so we're I mean,
Speaker 2: they're already breaking news. They're like signing people three days
Speaker 2: before the Royal rumble. They mean, like by the way,
Speaker 2: Jordan Gracie, Ye, yeah, so like we have that. I
Speaker 2: think the biggest one is just getting I don't know,
Speaker 2: do we get Aska back?
Speaker 1: I think we do. I think we do. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be laid in there. Andrew Rickson's completely confused.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he follows any more what we're
Speaker 1: talking about. But Andrew Rickson, it's rookie time. You are
Speaker 1: here while Debro is in Senior Bowl stuff. What's going
Speaker 1: on there? Deepbro didn't have enough money to buy you
Speaker 1: a ticket?
Speaker 3: No, I mean there's boots on the ground. I know
Speaker 3: Mayer is there, Deebro is there. Someone else has got
Speaker 3: to be doing the Super Bowl previews, the free agency stuff.
Speaker 4: So that's where I'm in charge.
Speaker 3: So if you need fancy questions answered the discord, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get back to you.
Speaker 1: So that's right, Not like that terrible Derek Brown, not
Speaker 1: like that guy. But great stuff's coming out of Mobile
Speaker 1: pretty soon too for Senior Bowl this weekend. So a
Speaker 1: lot of fun things going on here at Fantasy Pros.
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Speaker 1: excited that Jake is here with us all season long.
Speaker 1: Again does amazing work with the Athletic. Jake, what's going
Speaker 1: on there right now at the Athletic two as you
Speaker 1: guys are approaching Super Bowl and starting to turn the
Speaker 1: page to the twenty twenty five draft and fantasy football season.
Speaker 2: Wow, he said, super Bowl, which brings up the bane
Speaker 2: of my existence. Next week is the Super Bowl commercial rankings,
Speaker 2: because I rank everything, and I got settled with that
Speaker 2: early in my career at the Athletics, So yes, I
Speaker 2: have to do that where everybody else gets to sit
Speaker 2: with their friends and watch the Super Bowl. I'm like,
Speaker 2: hold on, I'll be right back as I go sit
Speaker 2: at my computer for the commercial break on the good
Speaker 2: side of Things, And I just finished my three piece
Speaker 2: the look back at the projections, where the bigness is,
Speaker 2: the big hits were and why, like, what do we
Speaker 2: learn going forward?
Speaker 1: Well, my dad used to love the commercials. We used
Speaker 1: to do a pool. Everybody would get something, somebody would
Speaker 1: get beer, somebody would get you know, snack foods, technology,
Speaker 1: and you had to keep track and we had like
Speaker 1: a pool running and then there was money in the pool.
Speaker 1: Or a prize at the pool. So if you're at
Speaker 1: your Super Bowl party and you have some people aren't
Speaker 1: into football as much, maybe you can help out Jake
Speaker 1: Seay with the commercials. The little commercial pool keeps everybody engaged.
Speaker 1: You can take the halftime off off though that year allowed.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the other rules here of
Speaker 1: the game, which is the rookies and how they did.
Speaker 1: And last year was a pretty pretty solid season for
Speaker 1: the rookies. A few guys did outperform expectations. I want
Speaker 1: to start with the running backs here, and I want
Speaker 1: to start with Bucky Irving, who is currently right now
Speaker 1: RB eight in the twenty twenty five half PPR rankings
Speaker 1: over on Fantasy Pros. You can find them at Fantasy
Speaker 1: ros dot com slash ranks. You check them out there,
Speaker 1: And as RB eight, it seems like for his size,
Speaker 1: Jake a running back, that maybe we're looking at two
Speaker 1: hundred attempts again, which is where he was last year,
Speaker 1: right two hundred and eight. But do you think he
Speaker 1: is still going to have somebody else in that backfield
Speaker 1: working with him? And if so, does that potentially hinder
Speaker 1: him from a top ten finish in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it hinders him. I do think
Speaker 2: there will be somebody involved, just because that's also the
Speaker 2: landscape of the NFL. But yeah, you bring up the size.
Speaker 2: It's interesting as somebody who was super high on him
Speaker 2: and coming out of college and thought he was a threat.
Speaker 2: I compared him to Michael Carter, but like what we
Speaker 2: wanted Michael Carter to be and had the biggest thing
Speaker 2: with Michael Carter was also, we don't want him touching
Speaker 2: the ball twenty times a game. But I say that
Speaker 2: and the Buccaneers said we do at the end of
Speaker 2: the season because they were done with Rashard healthy, Rashad
Speaker 2: White and the playoffs on the line, Bucky Irving was
Speaker 2: twenty touches. Does that work out to an entire season?
Speaker 2: I don't know. So where I'll make the fantasy comparison
Speaker 2: if you don't want to think, like stylistically, who this
Speaker 2: running back is. I like to always give like a
Speaker 2: fantasy production when I do rookies, like so for this year,
Speaker 2: I'll say this is the fantasy production you could expect.
Speaker 2: I think he's James Cook and the fact that thousand,
Speaker 2: eleven hundred, maybe twelve hundred in the best season. Good
Speaker 2: in the passing game, the touchdowns will be the volatility,
Speaker 2: but that's what we should expect as a fringe RB one.
Speaker 2: So RB eight might be priced a little bit high.
Speaker 2: And that's somebody who loved Bucky Irving this year. I'd
Speaker 2: be more comfortable a few spots behind him for the
Speaker 2: guaranteed workload. But I think it's fair. I just don't
Speaker 2: see where there's much ceiling to get up from RB eight.
Speaker 1: Well ericson. He did have eight touchdowns last year, and
Speaker 1: on top of it, he did work in the passing
Speaker 1: game too, So a lot of people have that misconception.
Speaker 1: All well, Bucke Irving wasn't really good in the pass game,
Speaker 1: not necessarily true. He saw fifty two targets, got forty
Speaker 1: seven for three ninety two. So do you think maybe
Speaker 1: there's even room to grow for Bucky Irving in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five based on what you saw in the sample
Speaker 1: size of rookie because look, let's face it, in the
Speaker 1: first month of the season two, things were a little
Speaker 1: slow there for him.
Speaker 3: Well, he was still getting adapted to the NFL climate
Speaker 3: and he was a rookie. And Rashad White was still
Speaker 3: the entrench starter. But after two months of Vershod White
Speaker 3: running into his offensive lineman, they'd seen enough and they're like, guy,
Speaker 3: we got to get Bucky Irving involved. And I mean
Speaker 3: he checked off every box. And it wasn't just the
Speaker 3: scheme that Liam Cohen put in. It was the fact
Speaker 3: that Bucky was breaking tackles like a madman.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: The part of what worked with Bucky Irving was let's
Speaker 3: get this guy in space and let him work, and
Speaker 3: that's why he was so effective and better than Rareshod White.
Speaker 3: And to give credit to Cohen in this offense overall,
Speaker 3: I mean, were shot White hit four yards per carry?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: That is absolute wizardry from Liam Cohen. And this offensive
Speaker 3: line from the Buccaneers that we shot like got to
Speaker 3: four yards per carry. Obviously Bucket White or Bucky Irving
Speaker 3: was better, but I think that Jake is accurate when
Speaker 3: you're talking about no, they're probably not gonna lote him
Speaker 3: with twenty twenty five touches per game, but that means
Speaker 3: you're gonna have this guy for the whole season. And
Speaker 3: when we're talking about the concerns about an undersized running
Speaker 3: back entering year two, well then we talk about this
Speaker 3: with Kyle Williams. That didn't really matter, didn't We talk
Speaker 3: about this with Devon eight Chan. It didn't really matter.
Speaker 3: Like these guys were just good and they found ways
Speaker 3: because they're good.
Speaker 4: Named a Chan.
Speaker 3: Last year, again, his efficiency fell off a cliff, but
Speaker 3: he made up four in the passing game, and to
Speaker 3: your point, he caught passes last year. He caught a
Speaker 3: ton of passes at Oregon, so I'm not concerned that
Speaker 3: he can't carve out a role here. Again, we'll see
Speaker 3: what Tampa Bay does at offensive coordinator after they lost
Speaker 3: Cohen to the Jacksonville Jaguars. But second year running backs
Speaker 3: tend to be good investments. Bucky Irving was one of
Speaker 3: the ones that really hit in a very weak running
Speaker 3: back class last year, and he was really the one
Speaker 3: guy that really hit in a big way. So I
Speaker 3: think that he's a good bye. I like the back
Speaker 3: end RB one price. I would say RB eight is
Speaker 3: probably at the high end of that, where RB ten
Speaker 3: RB eleven is probably a little bit more where I
Speaker 3: would be drafting in ranking him.
Speaker 1: You want to give me your best Liam Cone Duval
Speaker 1: before we go, Oh my gosh, not awkward at all,
Speaker 1: it's not at all.
Speaker 4: He does like a pan out Here's like.
Speaker 1: They need to play there on the jumbo tromp before
Speaker 1: every game.
Speaker 2: That's what I would my you know what, clinched watching that,
Speaker 2: like that's how awkward it fell.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, it's funny when it releases, it's actually the
Speaker 1: same sound it makes. Let's get to Tyrone Tracy currently
Speaker 1: RB twenty two in the consens right, he finished as
Speaker 1: RB twenty eight, so looking at him maybe moving up
Speaker 1: in the world a little bit. A good season from
Speaker 1: Tyrone Tracy. The question is what the quarterback situation is
Speaker 1: going to be. Certainly there's going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on this regime. So looking at what you
Speaker 1: saw on Tyrone Tracy last year, Andrew Erickson, I can
Speaker 1: understand a bit of a bump, which is what he's
Speaker 1: getting right here. But is it a fair price considering
Speaker 1: what the Giants offense might look like again, and considering
Speaker 1: the division they're playing in, is going to be one
Speaker 1: where probably they're looking down at the Giants.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely biased here because I liked Tracy a lot
Speaker 3: as a prospect, and he was someone that came in
Speaker 3: to the NFL with not a lot of experience at
Speaker 3: running back, like he shifted over to running back after
Speaker 3: playing wide receiver at the college level for the majority
Speaker 3: of his time spent at school. And I mean the
Speaker 3: fact that he kind of flashed as a rookie with
Speaker 3: not a lot of experience. I think that goes to
Speaker 3: what kind of running back he is and what he's
Speaker 3: capable of doing. So yeah, I think that he will
Speaker 3: be the starter opening day for the New York Giants.
Speaker 3: I don't I can't imagine that Joe Shane and these
Speaker 3: guys are going to want to draft a running back
Speaker 3: high after they went to the expense of not signing
Speaker 3: Saqua Markley and going through all that, So they need
Speaker 3: Tracy like hitting a big way if like, hey, we
Speaker 3: found this fifth round pick and he was nasty. So again,
Speaker 3: I don't expect them to necessarily draft a running back
Speaker 3: with high draft capital in the draft. And Devin's secretary
Speaker 3: is still under contract, so they're comfortable Devin Secretary as
Speaker 3: the RB two. But we've already seen Tracy can offer more,
Speaker 3: so I think back end RB two is appropriate for Hey,
Speaker 3: this is starting running back. He's young, he's explosive, he
Speaker 3: can catch passes, but he plays on an offense that
Speaker 3: is probably going to be bad in twenty twenty five now,
Speaker 3: So I think that back end RB two kind of
Speaker 3: makes the most sense for him.
Speaker 4: Not someone that I think.
Speaker 3: That, oh you need to draft Howard Tracy depends on
Speaker 3: I think where the market like settles on him. But
Speaker 3: back end RB two sounds about.
Speaker 1: Right seally RB twenty two too high, too lower, just
Speaker 1: about right.
Speaker 2: It's just about right, Porridge. Because I'm looking at it,
Speaker 2: who's lot, I'm like, yeah, like the guys that are
Speaker 2: in front of him, the only one I could see
Speaker 2: a toss up is depending on what the Chiefs do
Speaker 2: with Pacheco. Is that going to be a time share
Speaker 2: as Kareem Hunt continues to outperform him, or is this
Speaker 2: injury related? But that might be the only person in
Speaker 2: front of him right now where I'm like, hey, you
Speaker 2: know what, maybe I go the other way behind him.
Speaker 2: Depending on where Aaron Jones lands, depending on where JK.
Speaker 2: Dobbins lands, I could see him have him falling back
Speaker 2: a few spots. The comparison here that I'll give everybody
Speaker 2: is kind of like Antonio Gibson and we saw even
Speaker 2: on a bad Washington offense, that that one year of
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson you could get top fifteen production. But the
Speaker 2: biggest thing that Andrews said was the concern of why
Speaker 2: he was actually one of my misses in the running
Speaker 2: back projections because I expected Brian Dable to not go
Speaker 2: away from Devin's single tear because they signed him and
Speaker 2: he had that familiarity from the Bills. As Andrew brought up,
Speaker 2: they don't even save any money. They can't get rid
Speaker 2: of him. He's six point twenty five. It's six dead.
Speaker 2: Like they save two hundred fifty thousand dollars to get
Speaker 2: rid of him. They're not going to do that. So
Speaker 2: he's still going to be around. In the fact that, Okay,
Speaker 2: Tracy at fifteen to eighteen touches on the Dolphins, sign
Speaker 2: me up forty nine ers, sign me up on the Giants.
Speaker 2: Even if they got cam word, I don't really care.
Speaker 2: Like I can't see him moving up from fringe RB two,
Speaker 2: as Andrews said, so we're in lockstep again.
Speaker 1: All right. Two guys that Io was actually high on
Speaker 1: because they were cheap, but really didn't get much of
Speaker 1: an opportunity. In twenty twenty four, Jalen Wright had a
Speaker 1: nice preseason. Trey Benson got a lot of glowing reviews
Speaker 1: from big time guys like Ladanian, Tomlinson. He thought he
Speaker 1: was the best running back in that draft last year.
Speaker 1: So twenty twenty five, do you see anything changing for
Speaker 1: either of those two guys, Jake, are you going to
Speaker 1: be looking at year two on Benson or Jalen Wright?
Speaker 1: Potentially based on what the landscape might be for them
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 2: I think Benson, if he slides back in the ranks
Speaker 2: because what happened last year that he got hurt, also
Speaker 2: James Connor stayed mostly healthy, that I will take that
Speaker 2: chance because it's the backup opportunity. We want the backup
Speaker 2: opportunity because James Connor is going to get hurt at
Speaker 2: some point. So I know they gave him the contract
Speaker 2: and he'll be back, but I look for that opportunity.
Speaker 2: But right I think it's intriguing, But it's gonna come
Speaker 2: down to what happens with the Dolphins this year because
Speaker 2: the right taking over as that second piece is cool,
Speaker 2: it's exciting, but he's not so much most heart. He's
Speaker 2: actually a little bit more a chance. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of interesting to see what they'll do with that mixtuere.
Speaker 2: But we need the Dolphins offense to bounce back. Like
Speaker 2: the NFL adjusted to the Dolphins and said, all right,
Speaker 2: we're gonna keep everything in front of us. If they
Speaker 2: get rid of Tyreek Hill and they overhaul this offense
Speaker 2: to a degree, I just don't know that you're gonna
Speaker 2: get that double production that we saw from two years
Speaker 2: ago with Right. So of the two, I'd rather go
Speaker 2: back in on Benson just because of the upside if
Speaker 2: something were to happen, which likely will to James Connor
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the point, right Erickson, because if
Speaker 1: you're talking about James Connor, it's like, oh, another healthy
Speaker 1: season for James Connor. Again, it feels like we've said
Speaker 1: that a few seasons now, and I don't know how
Speaker 1: many we have left in the deck to play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, James Connor is coming off one of his biggest
Speaker 3: workloads of his NFL career and he's gonna be thirty
Speaker 3: in May. So I think it's honestly, we're getting a
Speaker 3: discount Benson because he also got hurt at the end
Speaker 3: of the season. If Benson had had the opportunity that
Speaker 3: Michael Carter got with the Cardinals over the last couple
Speaker 3: of weeks, we would be talking about Trey Benzon oh Man,
Speaker 3: like this is the zero RB guy you need to
Speaker 3: draft is Trey Benson. That all the YouTube algorithms would
Speaker 3: have been like this running back you have to draft,
Speaker 3: It would be Trey Benson in the thumbnail. So I
Speaker 3: liked Benson. He was my arby one in this class
Speaker 3: coming into last year. But like you said, he's never
Speaker 3: got the opportunity to really show out because James connor
Speaker 3: state health of the entire year. I would not anticipate
Speaker 3: that happening again. So I like Benson, And when it
Speaker 3: comes to Right, I think Wright might run into the
Speaker 3: issue where his rookie year was really up and down,
Speaker 3: Like he peaked in that Patriots game where he looked
Speaker 3: really good, and then he was on the bench behind
Speaker 3: guys like Jeff Wilson Rye Mostert as the season kind
Speaker 3: of trickled down in the later into the November and
Speaker 3: December month. So that was a big concern because you
Speaker 3: want rookies to ascend as the season progresses, not decent
Speaker 3: like Jalen Right, he kind of went backwards and it
Speaker 3: seemed like he lost some trust with the coaching staff.
Speaker 3: McDaniel wasn't using him, he was using the veterans instead
Speaker 3: in these must win games that didn't seemed like they
Speaker 3: trusted Jalen Wright. And the other issue with Wright is greer.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins GM loves drafting running backs. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: drafted right, he drafted a chan, he drafted right the
Speaker 3: next year. So in a stacked running back class, I
Speaker 3: don't think right even necessarily has the pathway where he
Speaker 3: might have more competition. And that was the biggest knock
Speaker 3: on him coming out to me. Was never took over
Speaker 3: a backfield completely, never was a bellcow. And what did
Speaker 3: he do his rookie year. He never was able to
Speaker 3: assert himself even as the number two behind guys like
Speaker 3: Raheemoser and Jeff Wilson. So those are my concerns. So again,
Speaker 3: we are continuing to co sign here with our guest
Speaker 3: Jake Seely, but I'm going to go with Trade Benson
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: All right, there's a few other guys too in this
Speaker 1: class from last year that either didn't get a full
Speaker 1: look or maybe might not be quite ready to pop.
Speaker 1: But there's got to be a couple that are hiding here.
Speaker 1: In the bargain basement. Ben, I know Marshawn Lloyd was
Speaker 1: a guy did play last year as a guy Debro
Speaker 1: was high on. Unfortunately Jonathan Brooks again the injuries, you know,
Speaker 1: look like you're going to take him out here once
Speaker 1: again for the twenty twenty five season. So Ericson, is
Speaker 1: there somebody that you look at this twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: class who didn't get an opportunity, who might be somebody
Speaker 1: that you're speculating on in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to the Blake Cornwell for
Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Rams. I think that we could see
Speaker 3: a potential shift when it comes to Kien Williams as
Speaker 3: that bell cow back.
Speaker 4: Now that hasn't been the case since you hypocriphy.
Speaker 1: You horrible, horrible hypocrite you just signed because you just said,
Speaker 1: like we were talking about how you know, little running backs,
Speaker 1: so they said they can't do it two years in
Speaker 1: a row like Kyen Williams. And now you want to
Speaker 1: take the job away from Kien Williams.
Speaker 4: How dare you, sir?
Speaker 1: How dare you good?
Speaker 2: Sir?
Speaker 3: Okay, well this is over two years now, now we're
Speaker 3: entering year three. Can you continue to.
Speaker 1: We're going to get my dueling glove out here for
Speaker 1: a second, so it's right over here.
Speaker 3: So so my argument is really talking about when it
Speaker 3: comes to Sean McVay said in his post season presser,
Speaker 3: this is from the coach speakon deck. So he wants
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five offense to be more versatile, and
Speaker 3: he even talked about Liam Cohen in the Buccaneers offense
Speaker 3: where Buccaneers offense yes, eventually turned it over to Bucky Irving,
Speaker 3: but for a lot of the year they were using
Speaker 3: two different running backs. So I think that we might
Speaker 3: see a bit of a change here with Sean McVay
Speaker 3: with this running style with Kyen Williams. Corn Wives was
Speaker 3: second in the NFL in touches last year. He had
Speaker 3: nearly four hundred touches. Wow, having that was maybe to
Speaker 3: the last last season. Entering the twenty twenty four year,
Speaker 3: the top three guys in touches were Christi McCaffrey, Rare,
Speaker 3: Sean White, dravis etn bus bus bust three busts. So again,
Speaker 3: I don't think that it's a good strategy chase the
Speaker 3: guy that had the most touches the year before, when
Speaker 3: there's a rookie or a younger running back that they
Speaker 3: were excited about using. Blake Corn obviously got hurt again
Speaker 3: at the end of the year two, so he didn
Speaker 3: get an opportunity similar to a trade Benson. But I
Speaker 3: think that Kyron the fumbles, I mean, that was a
Speaker 3: big thing at the end of the year, Like he
Speaker 3: was not holding onto the ball in some of these
Speaker 3: key games. So I think that Blake korm again RB forty,
Speaker 3: RB thirty four kind of in that range. I think
Speaker 3: that he might have a bigger role than most people anticipate.
Speaker 3: And when you look at him compared to someone like
Speaker 3: a Naji Harris, a lot of people knock on Naji
Speaker 3: hair like he's not a good running back. Almost all
Speaker 3: the advanced metrics when it comes to rushing, Naji Harris
Speaker 3: and Kime Wiams are almost identical. Garith for Kerry rushing
Speaker 3: yards over expectation, total rushing EPA. The only thing that
Speaker 3: Kier Williams had more than Naje Harris was actually was fumbles.
Speaker 1: Ironically, ut off so quarterback and a quarterback to move
Speaker 1: the chains that helps sometimes as well. I think Quorum's
Speaker 1: in the wrong locker room in La, he should just
Speaker 1: wait and just switch over to the Chargers and go
Speaker 1: hang out with Barball again. I think that's that would
Speaker 1: really be where I'd like to see him right down,
Speaker 1: Wrong team Sealy. Is there a guy for you that
Speaker 1: stands out maybe from last year's rookie class, that you
Speaker 1: think in twenty twenty five might be somebody worth picking
Speaker 1: up late?
Speaker 2: So it's funny I would have said, Marshall Lloyd, if
Speaker 2: you are going to bring him up already, I thought,
Speaker 2: actually go back to James Connor. I thought he could
Speaker 2: be the best or even the worst of James Connor
Speaker 2: to give you kind of an idea of who he is.
Speaker 2: But even the worst of James Connor is still pretty good.
Speaker 2: It really comes down to health behind Josh Jacobs. But
Speaker 2: as happened to Lloyd, he got hurt anyway, So if
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to go Lloyd, I'll go for one
Speaker 2: of the others. I only had four running backs in
Speaker 2: my Tier one last year. We've mentioned them all, Benson,
Speaker 2: Brooks and Lloyd. The other one was Braylon Allen, and
Speaker 2: I just thought, unfortunately also one of my favorite underrated
Speaker 2: running backs in Isaiah Davis. They all end up in
Speaker 2: the same team with Breesehall, which was just frustrating. But
Speaker 2: that's why I have some interest in Braylan Allen just
Speaker 2: above his cost right now. I put him in more
Speaker 2: of the RB thirties as somebody who could time share
Speaker 2: with the new regime as we saw happen to Breese
Speaker 2: Hall at the end of the year. Maybe they come
Speaker 2: in and they use Breesehall like a bell cow.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're excited for that, But there's still the equitable
Speaker 2: opportunity that they come in and they want a timeshare
Speaker 2: and they want to use Breas Hall more as in
Speaker 2: a lean to the passing game, and they use Braylan
Speaker 2: Allen as more of the lead running back and they
Speaker 2: make that switch. It could happen. We've seen crazier things.
Speaker 2: And then if anything were to happen to Breese Hall,
Speaker 2: I think Braylan Allen, as we saw briefly, does carry
Speaker 2: top fifteen upsides. So I think that Bryllan Allen, because
Speaker 2: of the fear of a full committee and then not
Speaker 2: knowing what the coaching staff will do, we'll probably keep
Speaker 2: his price in the forties. I would go a little
Speaker 2: bit earlier than that, just on the upside. If any
Speaker 2: of those opportunities happened.
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Speaker 1: Let's switch Gears. Gentlemen to the wide receivers. Malik Neighbors
Speaker 1: highly regarded guy going in coming out of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: highly regarded as well, despite the quarterback play again being
Speaker 1: less than ideal. So right now he is the seventh
Speaker 1: wide receiver in ECR. But Brian Thomas the guy that
Speaker 1: only Andrew Erickson really saw coming. He predicted he would
Speaker 1: lead you if you go back and watch the YouTube
Speaker 1: show we just did going back on our predictions, it
Speaker 1: was a great time, and Brian Thomas Junior was the
Speaker 1: guy he said was going to lead all rookie wide
Speaker 1: receivers in receiving yards, and my dolla, he was right.
Speaker 1: He is ranked eighth. Molik Neighbors the seventh, but not
Speaker 1: that far behind Lad McConkie at fifteenth, So they're all
Speaker 1: kind of in that wide receiver one at tier basically
Speaker 1: depending on the depth of your league. So Neighbors, Thomas,
Speaker 1: and McConkie that you finished seventh, fourth, and thirteenth in
Speaker 1: total points. Looking at those stats here, who do you
Speaker 1: prefer at value? Jake Seally, that's the question I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask you Malik at seven, Brian Thomas Junior eight,
Speaker 1: or waiting a little bit longer and getting Lad McConkey
Speaker 1: at the fifteenth.
Speaker 2: So correction need being made because everybody coming from the
Speaker 2: athletic watching this or like, Joe, you're out of your
Speaker 2: damn mine because Andrew might have been, but Jake, I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like, can I trend this? Do you see
Speaker 2: the sign football from Brian Thomas Junior sitting here right
Speaker 2: behind me of somebody who from day one was on
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas who said that he deserved to be in
Speaker 2: tier one with Malik Neighbors and Marvin Harrison who had
Speaker 2: Now you've got to go to figure the.
Speaker 1: Cameron aw all the way back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that gonna move by camera back. Had Brian Thomas
Speaker 2: on ninety percent of my league. So congratulations, Andrew, I'm
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: On that.
Speaker 2: I'm glad there was more than one of us, and
Speaker 2: I'm saying that all to present that I actually is
Speaker 2: crazy as it might sound, I think eight is too low.
Speaker 2: If people go back to those podcast that I did
Speaker 2: with Fits just two weeks ago we did our first round.
Speaker 2: I have Brian Thomas, and that was before the Liam
Speaker 2: Cohen duvo. That was before that. I had him in
Speaker 2: front of Nico Collins. Yeah, in front of Nico Collins,
Speaker 2: in front of Malik Neighbors, because this was I believe
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas is that good with terrible quarterback play, and
Speaker 2: we can expect if anything better. And I don't even
Speaker 2: care if they add another weapon if they drafted McMillan. Surprisingly,
Speaker 2: I think Brian Thomas is that good. I'm glad Andrew
Speaker 2: was on this with me. I do think Malik Neighbors
Speaker 2: is slightly too high. I know he did it with
Speaker 2: terrible quarterback play too, but let's be honest, we don't know.
Speaker 2: If it's Sanders, I think it actually could get worse
Speaker 2: for him. McConkie I love, but that's another one where
Speaker 2: like as much as I had mcconkee on a ton
Speaker 2: of teams, and he was another one that was close
Speaker 2: to my heart. That feels like peak McConkie. Like I
Speaker 2: compare him to the best of Jacoby Myers, which is
Speaker 2: top twenty, top fifteen, really good. But I don't see
Speaker 2: him getting to that next level because we have to
Speaker 2: be honest about who mcconky is. As great as he is,
Speaker 2: he's just not that NFL tier one of number one
Speaker 2: wide receivers where he can put up even T Higgins's numbers.
Speaker 2: So like, I just think that's capping him out just
Speaker 2: a little bit, and especially if they do add somebody.
Speaker 2: So Thomas too low, the other two pretty good. I'm
Speaker 2: okay with I think Neighbors is slightly too high, but
Speaker 2: I'm okay with mconkie.
Speaker 1: Neighbors are Thomas for you, Andrew Erickson, who do you
Speaker 1: have ranked above the other?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's Brian Thomas.
Speaker 3: I mean you're gonna continue to roll with the Brian
Speaker 3: Thomas and hope that it works out for another year
Speaker 3: in a row. So I mean it just comes down to, yes,
Speaker 3: I think that both guys are uber talents, but Brian
Speaker 3: Thomas was able to accumulate more yards last year on
Speaker 3: fewer targets and fewer receptions. Like Neighbors was catching ten
Speaker 3: or catching five six balls every single week. Brian Thomas
Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily doing that, but he was doing everything else.
Speaker 3: When it comes to total yardage show, I like Brian
Speaker 3: Thomas Junior more.
Speaker 4: He has the.
Speaker 3: Better quarterback, and I don't think it's even close Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen Trevor Lawrence have guys that are
Speaker 3: productive in his offenses, bringing him Cohen it. I mean
Speaker 3: what Brian Thomas Junior did with Mac Jones last seven
Speaker 3: games over eighteen half PPR points per game, thirty one percent,
Speaker 3: target share, forty eight percent are yards share, ninety six
Speaker 3: plus receiving arts per game with Mac Jones as his quarterback.
Speaker 3: So I love Brian Thomas Jr. And I think that
Speaker 3: he can be I think they should be a first
Speaker 3: round pick.
Speaker 4: I think he should go.
Speaker 2: He's guys minimum twenty points and the Fantasy Playoffs, the
Speaker 2: number one wide receiver in the Fantasy Playoffs, in front
Speaker 2: of Jamar Chase and everybody else. Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 3: So I think Thomas should go ahead of Neighbors. I'm
Speaker 3: surprised that it's not that Neighbor that he's not consensus
Speaker 3: ahead of Neighbors. I mean, we don't know who Avers
Speaker 3: quarterback is, and there's comments that you take him Thomas.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's maybe the logic of
Speaker 1: maybe Lake Neighbors quarterback proof for what you saw last
Speaker 1: year and it could only get better in theory. And
Speaker 1: also because he plays in New York. Let's not pretend
Speaker 1: like it's not because of the media market of New
Speaker 1: York that elevates his value there. It's absolutely part of
Speaker 1: it. It always is. There's always a price you gotta pay.
Speaker 1: And he had the draft capital he did he had,
Speaker 1: and he was known as the better of the two
Speaker 1: when they were in college together too, So I think
Speaker 1: maybe he just can't shake that quite yet. But they
Speaker 1: are neck and neck right now. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: when you go back and look at Lsu and Chase
Speaker 1: and Jefferson like their neck and neck and they're still
Speaker 1: pretty good too. Those two guys like you could certainly
Speaker 1: have that argument. Also, how about ninety five over under
Speaker 1: catches for lad McConkie in twenty twenty five ericson over
Speaker 1: under ninety five.
Speaker 3: I think it all depends on just if he's healthy
Speaker 3: or not, because that's really the only concern I have
Speaker 3: with lad McConkie.
Speaker 4: And even this year.
Speaker 3: That was his concern in college, where he got banged
Speaker 3: up every once in a while, and even this past
Speaker 3: year he stayed healthy for most of it, but there
Speaker 3: were nicks and ruses here, and there'd be on the
Speaker 3: injury report with the shoulder or something along those lines,
Speaker 3: and he would miss some time or miss reps in
Speaker 3: a game. I mean, if he's healthy, he's gonna go over.
Speaker 3: But I mean I'm always gonna bet on guys, not
Speaker 3: usually not.
Speaker 4: Heels.
Speaker 1: Like you were trying to convince yourself, Jake Sealey, do
Speaker 1: you need time to convince yourself ninety five over under.
Speaker 2: No, No, because I got him back to Jacoby Myers.
Speaker 2: He's over.
Speaker 1: He's over, he's over. Okay, there you have it, everybody.
Speaker 1: Let's move to Marvin Harrison Junior, the guy who was
Speaker 1: drafted above all these dudes. But unfortunately, how was a
Speaker 1: little disappointing season. His father ironically had almost the same
Speaker 1: rookie season, which I always think is fun. The sixty
Speaker 1: four catches for senior, sixty three for junior eight. Thirty
Speaker 1: six on the yard is for senior eight eighty five
Speaker 1: for junior and then eight touchdowns for each of them. However,
Speaker 1: one of them was about to play with Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: And I don't know right now if Kyler Murray is
Speaker 1: going to have the same trajectory of his career. I
Speaker 1: doubt it. That being said, there's opportunity. Marvin Harrison has
Speaker 1: dropped all the way to wide receiver twenty five right now.
Speaker 1: So Andrew, when you're looking at Marvin Harrison, do you
Speaker 1: think this is a great time to buy low or
Speaker 1: are you thinking maybe he is still more of a
Speaker 1: wide receiver too the way things are currently constructed in Arizona.
Speaker 3: I think that he's a good bye. I think that
Speaker 3: we were just the royal We was just over their skis.
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior's ADP last year was higher than Justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson's ADP in his second season. So after we saw
Speaker 3: Jefferson Jefferson breakout in year one, we were drafting Marvin
Speaker 3: Harrison Junior higher than Justin Jefferson. So I think it
Speaker 3: was just out of control of the expectations. And I
Speaker 3: think that's you now you're seeing a trickle down effect
Speaker 3: of that, where now it's you can't draft Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 3: you have to discipline him, move him down the rank significantly.
Speaker 3: When I think that he's going to improve in his
Speaker 3: second season in the NFL. I still think Kyler Murray
Speaker 3: is more than a capable quarterback. He was fifth in
Speaker 3: the NFL and end zone targets. What's the easiest path
Speaker 3: to a wide receiver one overall finish. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that's going to happen, but it's red zone targets. So
Speaker 3: they're looking for him. Kyler Murray is looking for him.
Speaker 3: They're scheming him up plays in the red zone. He
Speaker 3: still had eight touchdowns, Like, that's really good for a
Speaker 3: rookie wide receiver.
Speaker 4: So again, a lot of it.
Speaker 3: Has to do with well, he wasn't as good as neighbors,
Speaker 3: as Brian Thomas, as mconkey, but in the retrospect of
Speaker 3: a just a normal rookie wide receiver season, like, it's
Speaker 3: really not that bad. So I would be buying the
Speaker 3: dip on Marvin Harrison. Jew again I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: I didn't like drafting him at his cost, but now
Speaker 3: it's much more palatable where he's going to be going,
Speaker 3: so I like buying a dip.
Speaker 1: I did which made me sad because unfortunately, I had
Speaker 1: a lot of ten to eleven, twelve picks, So that's
Speaker 1: the range where he was sitting there, and I was
Speaker 1: just going for it, Jake. Seely, maybe last year was
Speaker 1: an overreaction to the positive Is this an overreaction to
Speaker 1: the negative side here slightly?
Speaker 2: You know, I think that the unfortunately for like content wise,
Speaker 2: the ranks are really smart, shockingly enough, and you know,
Speaker 2: like I look in front of him and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would take him over a few twos metcalf Addison,
Speaker 2: probably Adams because it's his situations volatile right now, but
Speaker 2: a lot of twos I would still take him. So
Speaker 2: maybe he creeps close to the top twenty, but I
Speaker 2: think that's the right price. Because what got baked into
Speaker 2: this entire conversation is it's not a Marvin Harrison problem.
Speaker 2: It's a Kyler Murray problem. And I talked about this
Speaker 2: in the article when I did the write up, because
Speaker 2: I missed on Murray and I missed on Harrison as
Speaker 2: a result. And what it really came down to, and
Speaker 2: if we all saw it this year is Kyler Murray. Look,
Speaker 2: does height matter?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Does it also not matter to agree?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: It can be both. But the truth is when it
Speaker 2: comes to height, when it comes to Drew Brees, Kyler Murray,
Speaker 2: all the quarterbacks like them, Bryce Young, as we're seeing,
Speaker 2: they have to work the pocket different than other quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: They have to throw through lanes versus over the top,
Speaker 2: and what that comes down to is knowing where your
Speaker 2: option is going to be. And as you saw like
Speaker 2: Drew Brees, Big Slot and Colston and Thomas, as you
Speaker 2: saw Bryce Young when Adam Thielen was back, there's just
Speaker 2: that connection. We all saw it there Marvin Harrison doing
Speaker 2: jumping jacks on wide open Murray just never made his
Speaker 2: progression back to him, and it's because they just don't
Speaker 2: have that comfort level. And I'm saying that to say
Speaker 2: it's going to get better. It's going to get to
Speaker 2: that level of like we saw for years with Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson and Tyre Lockett that they didn't even need to
Speaker 2: see each other and just knew where they were going
Speaker 2: to be looking and knew where Lockett was going to
Speaker 2: be and throwing it downfield to him. They'll be that.
Speaker 2: There'll still be some rough spots, but I think it
Speaker 2: will be better to say I'm buying the dip to
Speaker 2: but I'm not buying the dip. If us and everybody
Speaker 2: starts talking about the dip, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison ends up back inside the top fifteen, and
Speaker 2: then all that dip would just wear right out the window.
Speaker 1: I think it will sneak back into the top twenty.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll sneak back into top fifteen. I
Speaker 1: hope not. Not what the rookie class coming out to.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's gonna happen. Two more guys,
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy roma Dunze, interesting situations for them. You've seen
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy in these playoff runs, stretch run really look good,
Speaker 1: start to become I think more confident too. Great championship
Speaker 1: game for him in terms of stats, Rowdonze, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to have Keenan Allen around anymore. Next year he's
Speaker 1: a free agent and you get Ben Johnson coming in there,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of room for optimism. So between
Speaker 1: these two guys right now where we're looking at them
Speaker 1: in their rankings, would you prefer Worthy or a Dunsay
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, Jake.
Speaker 2: A Donsay by a mile, And because that's I'm assuming
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's not coming back. But if Keenan Allen comes back,
Speaker 2: then this kind of gets thrown out the window with
Speaker 2: the DiPT as well. But a dounsay comes down to
Speaker 2: a talent. I call him a bigger Garrett Wilson, which
Speaker 2: I mean, think about Garrett Wilson with a little bit
Speaker 2: more size than the upside for that, and the biggest
Speaker 2: thing about in Doonzay is we go right back to
Speaker 2: what we talked about, and I say we as the collective,
Speaker 2: we and everybody that did the same is back in August.
Speaker 2: It's let's remember Jackson, Smith and Gibber from the year before,
Speaker 2: going to a team with two better wide receivers and
Speaker 2: just being the third option. Well, what just happened with
Speaker 2: Smith and Jibber. I think we can project that forward
Speaker 2: for Donsay and maybe even if Keenan Allen is back,
Speaker 2: but now with Caleb Williams, now with the new offense
Speaker 2: with Ben Johnson, I want to donsay, I think Xavier
Speaker 2: Worthy is fine. Deshaun Jackson, it's the funniest I said
Speaker 2: DeShawn Jackson, even with the speed and they're using them
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. Like you would with some DeShawn Jackson.
Speaker 2: But I think he's already kind of at his fair value.
Speaker 2: Maybe he has a little bit more upside, and we
Speaker 2: know where Shia Rice likely getting suspended, but I think
Speaker 2: where he is is pretty fair. I just see a
Speaker 2: bigger room like a do say, honestly, could finish twenty
Speaker 2: five spots higher than he is right now.
Speaker 1: Wow, that would be a huge jump Erickson Worthy or
Speaker 1: Dunsa for you.
Speaker 3: I think with the ECR thirty six and third, I
Speaker 3: think those are both way too low for both guys.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, I think that they should both be
Speaker 3: inside like the top.
Speaker 2: Where would you put Worthy top twenty?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so? Yeah, at the top twenty, I
Speaker 4: would say, I mean Worthy.
Speaker 1: When it comes to Worthy, a thirty seven and a
Speaker 1: half point pop aren't fancy pros.
Speaker 2: When we're looking let me do the question asking I'm curious, no, no,
Speaker 2: don't care. Would you take harrisoner Worthy as of today?
Speaker 2: I'm curious because we're having this gun.
Speaker 3: I would take Worthy because he can be the number
Speaker 3: one receiver for the Chiefs next year. Why can't he
Speaker 3: be that guy? Rice is coming off knee injury. Travis
Speaker 3: Kelcey is thirty sick how old we know? Travis Kellzy
Speaker 3: has show up all the regular season, so.
Speaker 1: Why Kelsey might also retire at the end of this that's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Worthy has taken on.
Speaker 3: I mean Worthy's doing what Roshie Rice did last year,
Speaker 3: and it's why Roshie Rice was such a good draft
Speaker 3: pick in his second season. But now Worthy's in that role.
Speaker 3: So will Rice get that role back when he comes
Speaker 3: When is he coming back? He has a knee injury.
Speaker 3: He's going to miss all of the off season most likely,
Speaker 3: So when they're installing the offense, who's going to be
Speaker 3: in that role? It's going to be Exacer Worthy And
Speaker 3: then you have to worry about when he's going to
Speaker 3: get suspended or not so. And and when I'm looking
Speaker 3: back at them as prospects, Worthy as a first round pick,
Speaker 3: Rosie was a second round pick. I thought Worthy had
Speaker 3: a better prospect profile than Rashie Rice. So if it's
Speaker 3: that's my head to head, I would take Worthy over Rice.
Speaker 3: And therefore I like Worthy a little bit more than
Speaker 3: a doonsay as well. And to make a point here
Speaker 3: about comparing him to JSN, I think the other thing
Speaker 3: about that is it was also a Shane Waldron offense
Speaker 3: that he also So it's like it's just the copying
Speaker 3: paste the JSN analysis in year two. Rumadoonzay like it's
Speaker 3: it's like the exact same thing post Shane Waldron offense. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I definitely. I think both guys are are way too low,
Speaker 3: but I would pick Worthy.
Speaker 1: All right, there's a bunch of other rookies we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about, guys like Ady Mitchell's aber, Like get maybe
Speaker 1: Jermaine Burton gets a bump with the Bengals next year
Speaker 1: with you know, vacated targets potentially from t Higgins going away.
Speaker 1: But ericson when you're looking at this landscape of other
Speaker 1: rookie wide receivers last year who might be looking at
Speaker 1: a better twenty twenty five season, I.
Speaker 3: Like Jaen Coker, holy Cross product, undrafted free agent. I
Speaker 3: was looking back at some of our old shows we
Speaker 3: did last year, and Derek Brown was one of the
Speaker 3: highest guys on Jalen Cocher back in June. When this
Speaker 3: guy was, you know, an undrafted free agent from a
Speaker 3: college that's right where I grew up, right next to
Speaker 3: Western Massachusetts holy Cross. So when I saw Jalen Coker
Speaker 3: kind of pop. I was like, oh, this is kind
Speaker 3: of cool, and I'm looking at ECR and some of
Speaker 3: these early best ball rankings and he's going behind xavierly Get.
Speaker 3: Why they he was Jalen Coker was better as a
Speaker 3: rookie and the only time we saw Lee Get actually
Speaker 3: get targets in this Panthers offense and have a higher
Speaker 3: target chair was in games where Jalen Cocher missed. The
Speaker 3: Panthers traded away Jonathan Mingo and Deontay Johnson. Obviously those
Speaker 3: guys had their own issues, but clearly this coaching staff
Speaker 3: had shown some promise and hope with a guy like
Speaker 3: Jalen Coker. According to Yahoo's Matt Harmon, Coker finished second
Speaker 3: among all rookie wide receivers and yards per route run
Speaker 3: against man coverage. So, yes, Lee Get has the first
Speaker 3: round draft capital. He's going to be on the team,
Speaker 3: He's going to be involved. But besides that, why should
Speaker 3: we draft him ahead of Jalen Coker, who was better
Speaker 3: as a rookie wide receiver and carved his way up
Speaker 3: the depth chart. He wasn't given opportunities. He had to
Speaker 3: earn all of his opportunities as a rookie undrafted free agent,
Speaker 3: and he delivered. And I think that when you look
Speaker 3: at Bryce Young's resurgence in the second half when he
Speaker 3: came back from his benching, you know what, that coincided
Speaker 3: with Jalen Coker in the lineup. Jalen Coker playing legitimate
Speaker 3: snaps for this offense. So I think that he is
Speaker 3: kind of being slept on a little bit as a
Speaker 3: year two level jumper or some o their term, because
Speaker 3: I think that the draft capital was kind of calding
Speaker 3: him down. When you look at the on field production
Speaker 3: that he did as a rookie, he was really impressive.
Speaker 3: And I know debrow will co signed with me.
Speaker 1: All right, seally for you who was the potential year
Speaker 1: two breakout of wide receivers from last year's rookie class. So,
Speaker 1: because it's going to sound like Victory Lapping, I'll admit
Speaker 1: that I was lower on Coker than I should have been.
Speaker 1: I was concerned about his downfield speed, So like, maybe
Speaker 1: make that clear. I'm not one hundred percent, But if
Speaker 1: I could get up and kind of like run around
Speaker 1: the room and Victory lap little bit, it would be.
Speaker 2: Like no, no, it would be another Buccaneers player. I'm
Speaker 2: not a Buccaneers fan, like it just happens, like Jaleen McMillan.
Speaker 2: I was pounding the table for Jaalen McMillan. If you
Speaker 2: want to know, the other football I was looking for
Speaker 2: was the McMillan football. I just couldn't find it.
Speaker 1: Wait, so the guy that Ericson was the highest on
Speaker 1: and I like the most, you just happened to have
Speaker 1: to sign footballs of sure.
Speaker 2: Of course, the thing that I brought up in my
Speaker 2: rookie profile about him when I talked about Washington is
Speaker 2: that before the end of the season, when people were
Speaker 2: talking about the others in Polk and everything like that,
Speaker 2: was the one making the plays before the injury was McMillan.
Speaker 2: And the thing that I loved about him, and you
Speaker 2: saw it in the playoff game, is that he just
Speaker 2: knows how to find space, especially when things are breaking down.
Speaker 2: He just knows how to exploit zone. He knows where
Speaker 2: to be, And I thought that going into a situation
Speaker 2: where he ended up was like, hey, learn from Chris
Speaker 2: Godwin and b knew Chris Godwin. Obviously that's extremely lofty,
Speaker 2: But the reason I had him in a lot of
Speaker 2: spots and kept telling people to hold on to him.
Speaker 2: Was like if some happened, and I was thinking something
Speaker 2: was going to happen to Mike Evans at this point
Speaker 2: of his career, not expecting to be Chris Godwin. But
Speaker 2: as we saw at the end of the season, from
Speaker 2: week eleven until the end of the season, especially from
Speaker 2: weeks fourteen on, we're talking about top forty and then
Speaker 2: from week fourteen nine you're talking about top twenty five production.
Speaker 2: And why is that going to change? If everybody wants
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield to continue in this offense, everybody wants Mike
Speaker 2: Evans to one more year, and Bucky Irving, why is
Speaker 2: Jalen McMillan not part of the conversation. If Chris Godwin resigns,
Speaker 2: obviously this throws a wrench into the entire plan. But
Speaker 2: I don't think the Buccaneers need to re sign Godwin
Speaker 2: because they have slightly lesser Godwin and McMillan. I would
Speaker 2: put him in the thirties right now, and he's not
Speaker 2: even close to that.
Speaker 1: He's a forty three right now. I think it's absurd.
Speaker 1: I loved him in camp too. He was one of
Speaker 1: my sleeper picks. You go back and watch every draft
Speaker 1: show we did last August. I was taking Jayalen McMillan
Speaker 1: with my last two picks, and I had to cut
Speaker 1: him everywhere because unfortunately the first six weeks well fortunately
Speaker 1: hurt Evans and god when everybody was healthy and everybody
Speaker 1: looked great, so and McMillan wasn't healthy.
Speaker 2: And you know things, you know who were all fighting
Speaker 2: for you and me, And there was one other person
Speaker 2: that flex that all for fighting for Jay McMillan. It
Speaker 2: was Jamie Eisenberg. I think we know. I think the
Speaker 2: three of us collectively have a pretty good mind put together.
Speaker 1: I think so, and typically we're all in on the
Speaker 1: same players. I would put ronus, which is frustrate. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's why I hate being I had to draft last
Speaker 1: year right next to ronas so you know, but one
Speaker 1: of us made the playoffs. Who wasn't this guy? But anyway,
Speaker 1: it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Even Hey, Deebro went freaking what was it, sixteen and
Speaker 2: two and then got one and done in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and it happens.
Speaker 1: Deebro was twenty six and two and then lost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after the bye, but you know he should I told
Speaker 1: him we should never go to another draft live again.
Speaker 1: You should always draft absentee because it's the best draft
Speaker 1: you've ever done.
Speaker 2: I forgot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. We had little Deebro. We had this guy,
Speaker 1: this guy right here. He had to go draft there
Speaker 1: Brown in his place. He sat there at the table
Speaker 1: and made all the little picks at the laptop. We
Speaker 1: always keep little Derek around for good times. But McMillan
Speaker 1: also had a nose for the end zone two, which
Speaker 1: is again something that matters, especially in fantasy. You have
Speaker 1: a guy, especially if you can keep my Givens healthy
Speaker 1: on the field, that's going to free up Jalen McMillan,
Speaker 1: and I'm very high on him. They're gonna take that money.
Speaker 4: Spend McMillan too.
Speaker 3: To the point that I think Jake brought up if
Speaker 3: he hadn't gotten hurt right after Mike Evans and Chris Cobba.
Speaker 4: Got hurt, his.
Speaker 3: Bigger like it would have been even better just based
Speaker 3: on the Once he got healthy, that's when he started
Speaker 3: to produce. But that would have happened a month earlier
Speaker 3: had he also not gotten hurt at the same time
Speaker 3: as Evans and Godwin, and we would have never seen
Speaker 3: the de kat At in Renaissance for that like four
Speaker 3: week period where he was unstoppable.
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Speaker 1: quarterback Jadan Daniels. He's pretty good. He's pretty pretty good
Speaker 1: right now. He is the QB three in ECR. So
Speaker 1: I guess here's the big question, Jake. Obviously, people are
Speaker 1: very excited about Jadan Daniels. Is he automatically just lambed
Speaker 1: on top five here or do you think now because
Speaker 1: of all the media attention, the playoff are on everything,
Speaker 1: where maybe we're putting expectations that are too high on him.
Speaker 1: Similarly to what happened with CJ. Stroud, maybe not quite
Speaker 1: as much because Stroud wasn't as much of a rusher
Speaker 1: as Daniels. So I get the Daniels love even more,
Speaker 1: but there is a lesson to be learned that sometimes
Speaker 1: that second year there's adjustments to the league. Makes to
Speaker 1: you what do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And sometimes those adjustments go nowhere, as we saw with
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks like at least just talk runners Michael Vick
Speaker 2: and Robert Griffin. Outside of injuries, we're there fall off.
Speaker 2: So I think that I know you weren't saying that.
Speaker 2: I just I already shook my head when you said
Speaker 2: the CJ. Stroud thing because I'm getting tired of it already.
Speaker 2: Like the game the Commander's game ended and within five
Speaker 2: minutes on Twitter it was like, let's not forget sophomore
Speaker 2: Snumpster real, like, shut up, They're not all the same.
Speaker 2: The thing about Jaye and Daniels is. We have Ben
Speaker 2: Standinggon a couple times on the show, and he was
Speaker 2: saying the difference of him versus a lot of other
Speaker 2: rookies he's just seen in general, not even just the
Speaker 2: quarterback position, is the calm he has, Like good game,
Speaker 2: he's happy, he's calm, everything's going right, things are going wrong,
Speaker 2: terrible game interceptions, he's calm, he's happy, he's just right.
Speaker 2: He's just got this presence. And he said it carried
Speaker 2: throughout the team, a rookie presence that was carrying throughout
Speaker 2: the team of like this just calm and just understanding
Speaker 2: that things go either way and let's just go out
Speaker 2: there and do our best. And to see that poise
Speaker 2: from a rookie quarterback, I think just takes it one
Speaker 2: step further. We were already talking about how can you
Speaker 2: love Brian Thomas and Malik neighbors and forget about the
Speaker 2: quarterback that made that happen. So the rushing upside you
Speaker 2: bring up, I will say, right now, top three deserved.
Speaker 2: If that second wide receiver gets like, the solution is hell.
Speaker 2: If it's t Higgins, there's one quarterback I want in
Speaker 2: front of Jaden and Daniels and it's Lamar Jackson, end
Speaker 2: of list. If it's even Lester T. Higgins, Like maybe
Speaker 2: they draft somebody, Maybe they bring somebody in who's a
Speaker 2: decent two in alongside of him. Just to answer that
Speaker 2: question I brought up yesterday and serious, except I brought
Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown like he's a free agent, Like get that
Speaker 2: deep ball that he was trying for Noah Brown at Diami.
Speaker 2: I guess he needs another wide receiver named Brown. That's
Speaker 2: what it is. He has to go from Noah Brown
Speaker 2: to Diami Brown to Marquis Brown. But anyway, point being,
Speaker 2: just get a solution there, and I think that solves
Speaker 2: the any potential issue for a drop off because the
Speaker 2: biggest answer is not a question for me, the answer
Speaker 2: not being is Jaden Daniels is who's his number two?
Speaker 2: Because they need somebody after Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 1: Agreed, and ERT's you can't count him being back either.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be interesting to see what they give him
Speaker 1: next year. But they've got cap space ericson, so a
Speaker 1: lot of it's it's pretty obvious that they're going to
Speaker 1: be aggressive and certainly the new ownership is going to
Speaker 1: be supportive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, a lot of their cap space. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure what they're because a lot of their guys they
Speaker 3: need to re sign, like all of their receivers asside
Speaker 3: Terry McLaurin are free agents. So how will they approach
Speaker 3: it Where they're going to bring back guys like Diamie
Speaker 3: Brown Noah Brown because hey, we had some success with them,
Speaker 3: or are they going to look for outside alternatives to
Speaker 3: improve the Ross.
Speaker 4: I think we're get to make sure of both.
Speaker 3: I think that the Commanders have an advantage now where hey,
Speaker 3: players want to come.
Speaker 4: To Washington to play with Jade Daniels.
Speaker 3: Now, Like when has that ever been to a conversation
Speaker 3: where yeah, I want to go to Washington to play football.
Speaker 3: That has not been the case for a very very
Speaker 3: long time. So if you're T Higgins right, man, I
Speaker 3: can probably make more money for the Patriots, but I
Speaker 3: could go to the NFC not have to deal with
Speaker 3: going through Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: and I just have to beat one NFC team with
Speaker 3: Jade Daniels as my quarterback. Like that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 3: So I think that they're going to bolstter the Ross
Speaker 3: here improve it. And I know that the Texans did
Speaker 3: that too. It didn't work out, but it goes back
Speaker 3: to the mobility thing, like even if he struggles as
Speaker 3: a passer for a month or so, well, he's got
Speaker 3: the running to fall back on, and it seems like
Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsburgy is gonna be coming back to so that
Speaker 3: consistency with the offensive play caller in year two. I
Speaker 3: mean Jayden Daniels. Again, he's an experienced quarterback because he
Speaker 3: played so much time in college, so the moment's never
Speaker 3: too big for him. So yeah, I think he's locked
Speaker 3: and loaded. Top five, top three.
Speaker 1: I will betting him to win MVP next year. I'm
Speaker 1: already said it. I'm going out there and I'm sure
Speaker 1: the first number I get is going to be a
Speaker 1: very good one because I'm sure it's going to be
Speaker 1: the usual suspects at the top of that list, and
Speaker 1: then Dayton Jane Daniels maybe somewhere on the fifth or
Speaker 1: sixth guy. That's gonna be a nice number. Lock it
Speaker 1: in right away. Let's talk super flex. Bo Nicks QB
Speaker 1: thirteen in the rankings, Caleb Williams QUB BE fifteen, Drake
Speaker 1: May QB twenty, Michael Pennox Junior QB twenty four ericson
Speaker 1: who's the best return on investment in super Flex of
Speaker 1: those guys.
Speaker 4: It's Drake May. It's not even close.
Speaker 3: For in my opinion, I think Drake May is going
Speaker 3: to just be awesome, awesome in twenty twenty five. I'm
Speaker 3: super excited for him. What he flashed as a rookie
Speaker 3: in Borderline, one of the worst offensive environments you could
Speaker 3: ask for for a quarterback, and download a rookie quarterback
Speaker 3: at like two years old, I just I'm just so excited.
Speaker 3: It's fun because for me, I've never been able to
Speaker 3: draft the Patriots quarterback in fantasy football because Tom Brady
Speaker 3: was always super EXPENSI and I was like, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to draft the pocket passer in the fifth round
Speaker 3: with all my Boston friends where he's going so high
Speaker 3: in drafts. But Drake May as a late round quarterback,
Speaker 3: He's a mobile, rushing quarterback with a rocket arm. I
Speaker 3: think they're going to improve the defensive line, improve the
Speaker 3: wide receivers around him. Last year, and this is like
Speaker 3: a fun stat Last year, Drake May was fifth in
Speaker 3: terms of quarterback scramble efficiency the four guys in front
Speaker 3: of him were the four quarterbacks on the teams that
Speaker 3: represented in the AFC.
Speaker 4: NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 3: Now that's just one stat nugget, but it's showing you
Speaker 3: what he's capable of doing with his legs and any
Speaker 3: step he takes. As a passer. He had one passing
Speaker 3: touchdown eight consecutive games. The other only other rookie quarterback
Speaker 3: to do that was Justin Herbert his rookie year. He
Speaker 3: threw one passing touch on every single game that he
Speaker 3: started and played in full as a rookie quarterback on
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five for New England Patriots offense. I
Speaker 3: was just blown away with Drake May did as a
Speaker 3: rookie given the circumstance, and I think that he's going
Speaker 3: to be a monster fantasy producer in year two.
Speaker 4: So for me, it's Drake May over all these guys.
Speaker 1: Jake Seally, same question to you, who's the best roy
Speaker 1: and superflex? So I think the best return on investment
Speaker 1: is Pennix because he's twenty four. But that's not my answer.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, if we're just going by pure where
Speaker 1: they rank, I don't think Pask's going to be twenty
Speaker 1: four by the time we get to July and August,
Speaker 1: and that's really what it comes down to there.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it's like, oh, well it's
Speaker 2: going to be you saw how much he used Drake
Speaker 2: running down the stretch. May I'm okay with. But I
Speaker 2: think the biggest answer there that we found out was
Speaker 2: that the Patriots homericism. Just kidding, Michael Florio, we're trying
Speaker 2: to get Josh Allen the MVPA, you guys.
Speaker 1: I just Drake May does is mobile too. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing about Drake May that if he gets okay,
Speaker 1: that is something from the fancy perspective that is a
Speaker 1: pretty good value at twenty.
Speaker 2: Which I'm glad you brought up because I'm not going
Speaker 2: to disagree to you much. I actually said, Drake May
Speaker 2: is my comparison in the NFL was better Sam Howell,
Speaker 2: Like he's mistake almost free, Sam Howell.
Speaker 4: No, still doesn't take your sacks. Yeah, he gets yards inside.
Speaker 2: Yes, what I'm saying. He doesn't throw receptions, he doesn't
Speaker 2: take sacks, but he could throw for over four thousand yards.
Speaker 2: He could throw for thirty touchdowns. He will be aggressive
Speaker 2: at times. My biggest problem is who are the weapons
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. I don't even buy into. Like I
Speaker 2: obviously love my rookies as much as anybody, I still
Speaker 2: don't even buy to the rookies that they have. And
Speaker 2: I look at who's got the best scenario now with
Speaker 2: a coach who knows how to use him, and it's
Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams. You said running people. I think overlooked the
Speaker 2: fact he ran for almost five hundred yards and didn't
Speaker 2: find the end zone once because it just wasn't the
Speaker 2: answer at that time. Offensive Line a huge question. But
Speaker 2: we've seen what Ben Johnson did with Jared Goff. We've
Speaker 2: seen what Ben Johnson's done with that offense. And you're
Speaker 2: talking about Kayleb Williams gets to come into year two
Speaker 2: of his career, assuming the Bears make some offensive line improvements.
Speaker 2: But you already have the weapons, the weapons are around them,
Speaker 2: you already have the talent. And we already saw when
Speaker 2: they made that switch off Waldron, that brief stretch where
Speaker 2: they kind of hammered into what the commanders did with
Speaker 2: Daniels to start this year, which Kingsbury is very smart
Speaker 2: at doing, was like, look, you take the easy short
Speaker 2: intermediate throws if they're not there, Run if they're not there, run.
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams did that for about two games and it
Speaker 2: started to click, and then he reverted back when that
Speaker 2: shift change and Thomas Brown got the promotion and all
Speaker 2: that type of stuff. I think Caleb Williams still has
Speaker 2: top ten upside, and I think people are way too
Speaker 2: off of them just because of one year of misery.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look those sixty eight sacts. Some are definitely on
Speaker 1: the offensive line. A lot of them are on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: I mean when you watch.
Speaker 2: They did the same thing at USC, He's like, let
Speaker 2: me run around, run the NFRS, the NFL. You can't
Speaker 2: get into his head.
Speaker 1: You know you're not gonna be able to get away with that.
Speaker 1: You have to you have to evolve, and you have
Speaker 1: to learn how to, like you said, move the ball forward,
Speaker 1: matriculate the ball down the field. Tight end. It's Rock Bowers.
Speaker 1: End of story. In twenty twenty four, that's was the
Speaker 1: only question. Is Jake is brock Bowers a first round pick?
Speaker 1: Yes or no?
Speaker 2: You saw my answer two weeks ago on this very network. No,
Speaker 2: he's not a second rounder for me either. No, I'm
Speaker 2: never gonna take a tight end there because they have
Speaker 2: to have the Travis Kelce not seasons overall, they have
Speaker 2: to have the Travis kelcey elite seasons of seventeen points
Speaker 2: per game, which go back and look what did Travis
Speaker 2: Kelce do to get there? Thirteen hundred yards and double
Speaker 2: digit touchdowns. You're telling me Brock Bowers is going to
Speaker 2: do that with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Stop well, Jake will still shares of brock Powers in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five based on the third round grade he's
Speaker 1: gonna give him. Andrew Erickson, how far are you willing
Speaker 1: overall to draft Brock Powers.
Speaker 3: I agree with Jake, you know that the second round
Speaker 3: top a round three because you just have to be
Speaker 3: so good and can Aidan O'Connell or insert Raiders rookie
Speaker 3: quarterback here really get Brock because what was brock Bar's
Speaker 3: missing his rookie year? The receptions with their yards?
Speaker 4: Are there? Four touchdowns? Right? Like?
Speaker 3: That's the thing that isn't going to be able to
Speaker 3: put him over the top. And it goes back to
Speaker 3: also the Titan position overall, and when you invest a
Speaker 3: high draft pick into a tight end, you're taking on
Speaker 3: a lot more risk because not only are you hey
Speaker 3: I need this player to hit. You're then taking away
Speaker 3: your waiver wire options. If you drop black Bowers in
Speaker 3: the first second round, you're not going to the waiver
Speaker 3: wire at any point. Rock Bowers could suck for six
Speaker 3: weeks in a row and you're like, I'm going with
Speaker 3: rock Powers this week. So your alternative is like, if
Speaker 3: you draft rock Barers, that means you don't get the
Speaker 3: chance to get John new Smith right and Johnasmith's top
Speaker 3: five tight end. So like, that's something that I'm always
Speaker 3: trying to keep in mind when it comes to if
Speaker 3: you invest in that tight end early on, well, you're
Speaker 3: kind of saying bye bye to the waiver wire like
Speaker 3: that nolgion is an option, And what do we see
Speaker 3: every single year without fail, someone in the waiver wire
Speaker 3: at tight end pops and they end up being a
Speaker 3: startable piece down the line.
Speaker 4: So it's a two v two.
Speaker 3: Would you rather have brock Bowers and a receiver that
Speaker 3: you get off the waiver wire or would you rather
Speaker 3: have Ansert Brian Thomas Junior and the tight end that
Speaker 3: I pick up off the wavewire that turns into John
Speaker 3: new Smith And I think I prefer the latter, So
Speaker 3: I agree with Jake. I think unless it's round top
Speaker 3: of round three, end a round two, it's probably gonna
Speaker 3: be a no for me.
Speaker 4: On on BRONC buyers as well.
Speaker 2: He wasn't even number one points per game.
Speaker 1: When you're looking at the rest of the guys from
Speaker 1: last year twenty twenty four tight end, obviously not too
Speaker 1: much to see. Is Agitavian Sanders interesting? Do you guys
Speaker 1: next year or a Ben Sennett maybe if zach Ertz
Speaker 1: is gone from Washington or decides to hang him up.
Speaker 2: I love the Sanders call, mostly because I don't think
Speaker 2: people realize this number. Sure, you're really similar to Trey
Speaker 2: McBride's rookie season, and what I like about Sanders Obviously
Speaker 2: we have to see what the Panthers do if they
Speaker 2: bring in a significant either replacement for Theeland or something
Speaker 2: like that. This kind of eludes like I don't think
Speaker 2: Bryce down is supporting three weapons, but if if Sanders
Speaker 2: is in play to be the two, I think he's
Speaker 2: the interesting one. Theo Johnston, I want to know who
Speaker 2: the quarterback is. That's really what it comes down to, all.
Speaker 1: Right about for you Eric's and anybody there.
Speaker 3: I think I was a York too early on the Panthers.
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about what Bryce Young can do. So
Speaker 3: I like Sanders a ton. We saw Dave Canalis when
Speaker 3: he when Sanders was healthy before he had this really
Speaker 3: scary concussion, he was really starting to pick up steam
Speaker 3: in this offense. And then he obviously missed a lot
Speaker 3: of games, but he had snap shares passed eighty five
Speaker 3: percent in two games Week six and seven, So he
Speaker 3: had a full time role in this offense. And you
Speaker 3: know who's free agents, Tommy Tremble free agent, Ian Thomas
Speaker 3: free agent. So really going into the season, Sanders could
Speaker 3: take on a full time role at tight end, which
Speaker 3: is half the battle when it comes to these tight ends,
Speaker 3: like who is on the field the most, and like
Speaker 3: that's halfway to get to the points that you need.
Speaker 3: So especially if we see Bryce Young take another step
Speaker 3: and Dave Canallis's full another another year in the system.
Speaker 3: Something I noticed about with Bryce Young was they threw
Speaker 3: the ball a ton in the red zone, but a
Speaker 3: lot of it just didn't result in passing touchdowns. If
Speaker 3: you get some touchdown regression, that's gonna benefit that tight
Speaker 3: end like Sanders. So I like Sanders a lot, and
Speaker 3: then I kind of like cased over too, just pleased
Speaker 3: enough of Dald Shultz please, I just just anything, but
Speaker 3: doalds like he has the perfect run out, all the
Speaker 3: receivers get hurt for the Texan doesn't matter. He does
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing the entire years. So give me some kid
Speaker 3: stover Ohio State connection with CJ.
Speaker 4: Shrouds.
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