WEBVTT - Trade deadline buzz: The pitchers the Cubs are pursuing 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:09.760 Welcome into Northside Territory File Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.840 Sahadem Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.439 Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic and Patrick, it 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.600 is getting hot and heavy on the hot stove where 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.200 it is. It's going to get busy by the time 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:31.160 this podcast releases. Who knows what trades will have happened, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:36.080 but there have been some decent ones. Nothing huge, but 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.320 we've seen some moves already over the past twenty four hours. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:45.240 The Twins getting Dean Kramer, an interesting trade between Cleveland 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:50.600 and Milwaukee. There was another trade last night that I'm 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.239 blanking on right now. But I know there's been multiple 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.360 moves over the past twenty four hours. These aren't the 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.360 huge moves. These aren't the earth shattering moves. I think 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.800 everything that we're hearing makes it seem like it's going 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.400 to be a fun deadline. I don't think it's going 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:10.240 to be uneventful. But right now, prices are high, and 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.880 that's part of what we're going to talk about. The 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.920 big prize of the deadline for probably one of the 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.960 highest prices of a rental that we're going to see 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.800 definitely this summer, maybe like for a while, like in 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.160 a long we haven't seen the price this high for 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.560 a rental in a while, not in this era where 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:36.679 young prospects are so valued. But Trek's gouble. In all likelihood, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.920 it seems like we're headed towards inevitably Terrek School is 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.560 going to end this season on another team and not 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:44.760 the Detroit Tigers. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.480 Yeah, I think this will be obviously the biggest story 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.680 of the deadline, and the Cubs are involved. I think 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.680 we were both sort of like waiting to hear kind 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.960 of a firm know or oh that's crazy, And yes, 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.880 they think the you know, projected asking prices are crazy, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.560 but they haven't shot. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.720 It down, they haven't ruled it out. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.640 And I think that doesn't tell us that, you know, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.880 schoobl is coming in to Wrigley Field. I think it's 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.520 more of just how ambitious and open minded they are 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:27.160 at this particular transaction transaction cycle. Obviously, the way the 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.840 team has played. If they were in the Brewers position, 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.840 I think, you know, their odds forgetting Schooble would have 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:34.480 gone up a. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.400 Lot higher, but it's not zero. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.920 And I think kind of an interesting part of this 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.000 as we were reporting it out. I don't think this 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.600 is going to be like the deciding factor. But it's 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:53.800 interesting to hear how Scooble really enjoys Chicago and that 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:59.280 his family is very rooted in Arizona. My understanding, he 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:04.720 has a home very close to the Cubs MESA Complex, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:09.800 which would make spring training in the Cactus League a 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.600 very appealing option. And if if you're a free agent 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.600 at that level, there's only so many teams that are 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:22.640 gonna be willing to pay in that range. Granted, for 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.440 the Cubs, it will probably be an unprecedented commitment to 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.000 a pitcher. So not saying like the Cubs are slam 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.800 dunk there by enemies, but it's another like layer to 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.800 this as you sort of game out different scenarios. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:41.480 Yeah, it so the price is is what, like I 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.840 just cannot get past fully for this, for this to 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.720 be realistic for the Cubs for two reasons. One, I 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.800 don't think the Cubs are just like I don't think 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.520 they're going to get over that hump of like being like, Okay, 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.120 let's just do this. I know it's ridiculous. I know 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.760 it's what the model says is that we should not 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.520 do this, but we're gonna do it, Like I struggle 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.240 with them getting over that hurdle, and then there's just 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.760 gonna be a team like Milwaukee or Milwaukee may stick 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.320 to that mentality as well, because Milwaukee is probably like 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.279 probably needs to be more disciplined than the Cubs to 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.640 that philosophy in order to thrive. Right, Like, one misstep 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.200 and giving up the wrong prospect can set them back. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.800 That's just how it works for them. They're so talented, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:33.600 they have so much young talent prospect wise, especially, but 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.240 the Dodgers, like I feel like if you want to 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.680 kind of overpay, like the Dodgers can do that. Like 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.080 they can give you a starter that can go like 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.760 this year, you know, or a young pitcher that can 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.800 go right away, and a prospect, you know, a highly 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.680 thought of prospect that would probably be like in the 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.640 middle of their top ten. But most other teams, like 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.440 you know, number one or two prospects. So it just 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.360 feels like that's that's likely what happens. But I don't 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.800 want to rule it out because it could, you know, 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.560 it could become that moment where it's like, look we're 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.640 going to we're really good. I mean Jed is not 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.000 I know people. I think people listen to Jed sometimes 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:22.080 and just get this idea that he doesn't do aggressive moves. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:27.159 He doesn't do things that you know, because of the 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.480 intelligence spending became such a big deal twenty thirty two 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.520 became such a big deal with Carter, they just think 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.920 they don't give up prospects ever, and I don't think 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.160 that's true. You have there has to be a balance here. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.120 I mean, they paid up for Kyle Tucker and the 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:46.560 prospect like with prospects and talent. They gave money to 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.960 Alex Bregman. He spent in that big shortstop class. Yes 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.000 it was the cheapest shortstop of that class, but it's 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:57.159 also the most valuable shortstop from that class. So it's 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.120 not like he's afraid to make moves. And he was 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.919 right hand man during all those big moves. I know 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.240 everyone only wants to give credit to the THEO on that, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.719 but Jed was a part of that, so he does 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.680 get some credit for it. So maybe he proves me 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.800 wrong here. I also just don't know if it's the 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.920 right move, But like Terrek Schooble would obviously change things, 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.240 and I think with an elite defense, and in a 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.960 damn good offense. I guess you can say lead offense 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.760 because by war it's the best in baseball. Uh, it 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.039 makes a lot of sense. Add Schooble, add some relievers, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.680 and and you have one of the best, if not 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.440 the best team in baseball, certainly a team that can 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.159 compete with the Dodgers, no doubt. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.760 I mean the players in the clubhouse, Craig Counsel, his 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:50.400 coaches have you know, put together a product that makes 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:55.000 them seriously consider Scooble, Like you know, they have passed 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:56.680 the eye test, and. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.440 They've shown a lot of resiliency in that. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:07.240 Regard overcoming injuries, not letting the season go off the rails. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.400 You're right about Jed, And I get it why fans 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.680 are skeptical. Like we write about this stuff, we talk 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.679 about this stuff. You can sometimes feel the eye rolls, 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.679 or you see the comments on social media or within 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:27.120 the comments section itself. And yeah, he did not have 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.880 like the greatest trade deadline last year, and it looked 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:36.440 odd to get a contract extension in a lame duck 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.720 year before the deadline, and then to really just sort 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:44.360 of play it safe and like every move made sense 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.280 on paper. But it did not substantially raise the ceiling 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:53.200 for that team. So I get all that. But and 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:58.840 part of this is, you know, Jed's personality, how he 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:03.760 presents himself. To his credit, he's very available. He talks 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.360 to the media a lot, so I think, and I 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.440 think that helps him in the long run. You know, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:14.200 fans can see his point of view, but it is 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:19.560 a lot of like payroll flexibility model projects playoff probabilities. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.280 But that's not the entire breath of his experience as 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.640 someone who was you know, you know, I wrote the 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.680 other day at Kurt Chilling's house for Thanksgiving. You know, 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.120 he's meeting with a rod trying to get him in 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:37.800 the Red Sox, the Nomar trade, throws Chapman trade, and 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:44.240 even more recent, hey, Kintana, the Tucker trade. And I 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.200 also think the pursuit of Bregman and how they circled 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.280 back to him and you know, raised their offer and 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.680 fundamentally changed it in several different ways, clearly demonstrated level 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.199 of aggressiveness and creativity. And I do think the dynamics 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.400 of in the front off this, you mentioned Carter, you know, 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.520 he is sort of a governor on some of this stuff. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.280 He is obviously very hype. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.720 He's hyper rational, and I think as Jed has done 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.520 this for such a long time, and he has adopted, 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.599 you know, some of Theo's qualities. I mean, THEO is 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:22.560 sort of a one of one, very unique character. But 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:28.280 you know, Jed knows what a really good team looks like, 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:29.199 and this is it. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.320 Yeah. I think that's that's the big thing. Right, He's 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.920 been around for a long time. It's not like he 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:42.640 can't identify the keys to He identified when he saw 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.840 how important defense was to that twenty sixteen team, and 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.880 he's like, I want to make that the bedrock of 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.400 my next great team. And he executed it really well. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.920 And this team is an elite defensive team once again. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.920 And that's a big reason why they have a chance 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.920 to go far in the playoffs. It's a big reason 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.359 why you know, they can weather the storm and sometimes 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.600 overcome pitchers that don't miss a lot of bats. That 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.760 it makes them a better team, like in ways that 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:17.040 I think sometimes we don't fully appreciate. It is it's 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.840 their like bedrock, it's what they can fall back on. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.920 It's like, oh the bats are kind of slumping, Okay, 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.840 maybe we can win a game two to one because 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.840 because our defense will just you know, smother the other 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.559 team in a sense. All right, let's, uh let's take 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.880 a quick break and then when we come back, we'll 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:40.280 we'll talk about uh more pitchers and uh you know, pitching, pitching, pitching, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.400 I think is the thumb process going forward. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.280 Big second half of the season coming up. There might 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.040 be a hot ticket, a rivalry series, a sold out 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.439 experience they need to get your hands on, and seakeeek 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.000 is the spot for that. 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Prospects will be a big part of 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.840 this deadline, as they always are, so go to Baseball 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.960 America and check out their analysis on the players traded. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.400 Baseball America is the best place to learn about all 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.800 the prospects on the move this trade deadline season. Now 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.640 through Monday, our viewers get thirty percent off the first 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:44.920 year of any digital annual digital annual subscription with promo 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:50.800 code north north Side thirty. That's code north Side thirty 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:59.720 at Baseballamerica dot com. Speaking of prospects, Freddy Peralta is 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.640 a name that's out there that is, you know, attractive 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.760 to a lot of teams, including the Cubs. And one 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:12.000 thing about Paralta, one thing that we're hearing right now 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.640 is the asking price for Paralta is pretty high. I 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.840 believe our buddies Ken Rosenthal and Will Salmon reported that 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.600 it is a top one hundred level prospect right now. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.920 Is the current asking price. I think both of us 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.640 have been told, like to just in general, the asking price. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.559 Asking prices are really high these things. That's just the case. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.360 In like seventy two hours, forty eight hours, like it 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:41.160 starts to change in then around now, like it can 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.319 start to like prices can start to change, but right 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.720 now it's it's high. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:48.000 Yeah. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.439 We're recording on Saturday morning ahead of a night game, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.080 weather permitting at Wrigley Field, And I think the sense 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.040 we got was Okay, once you get into the weekend, 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.559 things might start to pick up a little little more, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:10.200 teams start to find at least a bit more common ground. 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.559 But there is nothing like a deadline to get these 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:18.839 things done. And you know where is the Cubs are 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.320 all over the pitching mark. We obviously have to start 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.440 with schooble, like both with our show and our sort 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.400 of reporting process, Like you know, if they're not setting 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.920 a cap there, they're going to be looking all over 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:36.160 peralta obvious connection to Craig Council. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.440 You know, they have a good relationship. I looked at it. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.640 I was surprised at how many pitchers the Cubs have 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:48.000 added from the Brewers over the last you know, two 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.080 and a half seasons, three years, wherever you want to 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:55.880 start it from when he left the Brewers. I think 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.640 the Cubs have a couple ideas about, you know, how 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.920 to help unlock him and get him back on track. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.040 And it's the same logic that drove the David Peterson deal. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:12.200 Just change of scenery, better defense, see what happens. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.680 Yeah, I mean this is one like when he's right 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.040 one of the best pitchers in the game, like great 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:25.120 stuff like good competitor, like just you know, maybe not 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:30.760 Cy Young Award winner, not as dominant as Schoobale, but 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:35.160 certainly someone that you can trust when he's right. And 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.440 right now he isn't so or he's just not getting 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.760 the results. It doesn't seem like he's way off. But yeah, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.640 certainly teams and we know the Cubs have ideas of like, 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.840 this isn't you know, this isn't something that's unfixable. There's 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.280 a way that you know, you can get this guy 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.600 back to who he was. He's he came off one 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.280 of the best seasons of his career, Like it wasn't 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.960 like we're years removed from Freddy Peralta being great, Like 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:09.479 he's a very good pitcher. Who was you know, borderline 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.160 Cy Young contender and and now it's just been an 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.560 awful season with the Mets. You know, some things are 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.840 a little different with him, and and if the Cubs 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.640 can get that right, the question is do you believe 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.600 you can do it, Like is it a quick fix? Right, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.840 Like you don't you can't have a project. And my 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.200 understanding is that they don't see it as like something 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.960 that would be like weeks or months long project that 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.240 they there are some tweaks that could get him back 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.720 to being pretty damn good pretty quickly going to be executed. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.720 Cant like, what does he feel really good right now? 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:45.080 Is it? 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:46.960 Is it as simple? Is there any mental are there 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:48.840 any mental hurdles that need to be crossed? 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:49.280 Whatever? 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.400 Those are questions that they need to figure out. And 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.680 obviously the price. I think they're hoping the price goes 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.680 down because they don't want to pay that hefty price. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.160 There have been Like I think there's a little more 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.840 pitching available this year than there was last, so maybe 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.359 prices won't be as crazy as last year. We didn't 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.600 see as many deals last year, but the deals we 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.800 saw there were some solid prospects moved Merrill, Kelly, Dustin May. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.080 These aren't like huge needle movers, and they got decent 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:28.119 packages in return, nothing like overwhelming. It wasn't like the 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:33.200 Mason Miller package, but they were solid, solid players traded 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.920 in those moves. I personally thought that dust and May 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.119 trade was kind of crazy at the time, and I 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.480 mean he did not perform well enough for Boston to 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.639 give up a prospect that ended up being top one 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.720 hundred and James Tibbs at the third. 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:51.480 Yeah. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.800 I think that's what we've heard as well as just 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:59.440 like they discuss everyone essentially, they look into just about 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:04.840 everything and like cost is a factor here, like they're 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.359 going to weigh all of that. That's why you know 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.280 you could always tweet out cubs interested in pitcher X. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.760 You're probably right, like to some varying degree, we're focusing 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:21.240 on the ones that we know and kind of why. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:22.560 They're interested in them. 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.760 And I think you know one name you've been on 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.120 top of a side of is Kevin Kevin Gosman. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.760 What do you gotta Yeah, yeah, I mean they are interested. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.760 They the peripherals are the same as last year. Uh, 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.240 it's not like the velo is like ticked down to 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.359 a scary level. Uh, it's still the same pitch mix. Uh. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.760 You know, he's what is a fastball, splitter slider. I believe, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:52.399 uh it everything looks the same under the hood, and 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.919 then you see the cra at like four and a half, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.040 like a full tick above last year. He is not 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.679 the the guy that was did he win a cy 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.919 Young or he was competing for US cy Young? I 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.000 believe when he was with the Giants. He's not fully 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.080 that guy. That guy was pushing like thirty percent strikeout 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.920 rate like his first couple of years, his last couple 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.800 of years in San Francisco, and then his first couple 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.280 of years in Toronto. This was like an exceptional level. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.840 This is a guy that would be really good in 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.560 my opinion, I like, I think he makes a lot 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.159 of sense, and I'm hearing that they are interested in 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.600 Kevin Gossman. Again, it's price. My guess is he's going 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.399 to cost less than Freddy Beralta. He's just not having 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.679 as good of a season. He's an a pending free agent. 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.119 But I like the fact that the peripherals look. I 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.199 think I said this on the last last podcast, or 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:47.919 maybe I said this when we went on with our 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.120 buddy Jesse Rodgers, but he just feels like the guy 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.520 that is, you know, has the experience, has done it before. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.679 Is kind of like just not getting the greatest results 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.679 right now, but it is very similar to who he 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.320 was in the past and could have like two great months. 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.680 I know that's not that I think fans get a 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.239 little worried about that. I remember, I'll just bring this 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.720 up and not to like be like, see I told 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.399 you it was right, But like when I mentioned Raso 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:19.800 Grace Iglesias last year, the comments, the pushback I got 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.879 on that was like people were like, that is dumb, 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:28.480 Like he's having a terrible season, he stinks. His second 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:34.000 half with Atlanta last year was awesome. Like he was dominant, 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.520 he was a stud reliever, and like there was a 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.879 chance that he was available. He didn't get traded, but 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.440 he was a stud. He figured it out and because 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:46.160 he's a good reliever, he's a veteran reliever, and he's 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:50.480 having another great season right now. But that's the type 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:52.560 of idea this is. This is a guy with the history, 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.879 This is a guy that performed in the postseason, and 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.120 this is a guy whose stuff hasn't just like completely 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.560 fallen off a cliff. And there's a lot of indicators 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.240 that say he's the same guy. The era is the 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.639 only thing that's different, and teams don't look at only er. 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:08.640 Yeah. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:13.000 I like the Cole Hamil's comp from twenty eighteen. I 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:19.840 think Jed sort of explained that over our podcast last year, 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.240 and so that that makes a ton of sense. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:26.760 I'm sure. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.600 You know it'll come down to pretty close to the 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.840 deadline there, all right, Was it cost between these two guys. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.240 I like the idea of someone you can just sort 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.960 of plug in and let him figure it out. You're 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:47.119 in a pretty good position regarding the wild card. This 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:52.199 sounds like less of a project than Freddy, which I 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.360 know you said they don't think it's like a major project, 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:59.480 but there is still it seems a little riskier with Freddy. 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:03.840 Maybe the upside's higher because of his age and what 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:04.640 he did last year. 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:06.800 I don't know. I guess this is one of those 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.160 classic like like just be right. You know, the guy 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:14.240 will have whatever it is, maybe ten twelve starts, you know, 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.639 playoff appearance or two like you know, he'll just have 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:17.400 to be at his best. 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:22.960 Then absolutely, we're also hearing that. You know, I think 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.280 this was obvious. I think the Cubs are going to 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:31.320 add bullpen help. And you know, when when Jed talks 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.040 about this in the past, I mean they've had good 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.679 bullpens in the past and still added because it just 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.680 doesn't matter. You have to add arms. And I thought 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.479 Council explained it well when we were talking about it. 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:50.000 What day are we at Friday? Pregame? He I was 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:53.000 kind of pushing him on adding bullpen and basically is 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:58.160 he ultimately came to the very simple point that, look, 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:02.399 you cannot add after after Monday, Like the waiver wire 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.480 deadline doesn't exist anymore. You used to be able to 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.600 like sneak guys through the waiver wire and then trade 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:12.160 them and you could add like depth pieces for your bullpen. 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.320 That doesn't happen anymore. So this is your roster after 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:21.359 August third or whatever booth Like this weird date is 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.280 now throwing me off. I think that's right. Right, today's 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:28.600 August first, So that makes sense. So they are going 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:32.240 to add bullpen help. What level of bullpen help, I 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.720 think is the question. There's some big names that I've 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:40.800 heard that they're interested in. I think Adrian Morojone would 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:42.960 be like the only lefty that they'd like be really 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:46.119 interested in. But that's different. He's like a game changer. 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:49.159 They have some good lefties. I at first, I was like, 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.280 initially I almost forgot about like their kind of depth 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.840 of lefties. Like Ryan Rollinson's having a really good season. 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.679 Caleb Thielbar is having a weird season, like giving up 0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.960