Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Civic SIPHERI. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: rams is Jah.
Speaker 2: They called me q Ward but okay, so the reason
Speaker 2: why is because so Quinn has an O, not an
Speaker 2: I or an E, and people want to say Quentin
Speaker 2: or Quentin and it's Quinn and then Ward if that's
Speaker 2: my dad's last name. And when I was born, when
Speaker 2: they do your birth certificate and your dad they give
Speaker 2: you you know what I'm saying, how do they give
Speaker 2: you his or you? Yeah? Okay, never mind, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about it later. We'll talk we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 3: You're gonna make sure people know your name. I love that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we're back up in you one more again to
Speaker 1: broadcast the balance and to defend the discourse and to
Speaker 1: talk about things related to America, specifically Black America, but
Speaker 1: America and hopefully have the sorts of conversations that we
Speaker 1: all need that with each other as brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: Today we have a lot in store for you, So
Speaker 1: stick around because we're going to be talking about Larry Elder,
Speaker 1: Candice Own and how all skin folks ain't ken folks,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know there's been this black face
Speaker 1: of white supremacy idea that exists, and sometimes these people
Speaker 1: kind of fall into those categories. We're not here to
Speaker 1: say whether it's right or wrong, but we do need
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Later in the show, we're gonna
Speaker 1: also talk about the killing of Kawasaki Treywick in New York.
Speaker 1: It's very sad and tragic story, but certainly necessary for
Speaker 1: us to talk about. We're also going to be dedicating
Speaker 1: some time to the hashtag land Back for our Native
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, and of course checking in with DJ
Speaker 1: Swaff with that Way Black History Fact. But first we
Speaker 1: are going to discuss some Ebony excellence.
Speaker 3: So no matter what, this week.
Speaker 1: Our Ebony Excellence segment highlights Blue Ivy Carter. For those
Speaker 1: that don't know, she is the daughter of jay Z
Speaker 1: and Beyonce. Now, naturally she has a lot more access
Speaker 1: to remarkable things. She has the capacity to accomplish great
Speaker 1: things in a very short amount of time at a
Speaker 1: very young age. That goes without saying, but because we
Speaker 1: do like to celebrate that, we figured that we would
Speaker 1: discuss her most recent accomplishment and why it was important.
Speaker 1: So Blue Ivy is now the youngest winner ever of
Speaker 1: a video music Award. Beyonce's Brown Skinned Girl took home
Speaker 1: the Video Music Award for Best Cinematography, and Blue Ivy
Speaker 1: was credited.
Speaker 3: On the song.
Speaker 1: She also received her own VMA for the feature. And
Speaker 1: she's on this song with her mom, Saint John whiz Kid,
Speaker 1: and her vocals are heard during the songs opening and
Speaker 1: at the end, and her mother and perhaps her father
Speaker 1: putting her in position to do that, I think is remarkable.
Speaker 1: You know, we do need to be mindful of the
Speaker 1: next generation. We do need to set them up, establish
Speaker 1: them for their careers. There's been lots of people who've
Speaker 1: been fans of nepotism long before we ever made it
Speaker 1: to this planet, and they've built the world and their image.
Speaker 1: And I really love the fact that, you know, these
Speaker 1: people are really positioning their child to take advantage of
Speaker 1: all that they've accomplished. I try to do that in
Speaker 1: my own personal life. I know c does the same
Speaker 1: with his children. And the fact that she has a
Speaker 1: VMA award at such a young age, the youngest ever,
Speaker 1: I think is of any excellence if I've ever heard
Speaker 1: of it, And so that is certainly a worthy.
Speaker 3: Accomplishment.
Speaker 1: With that say, with that said, we're going to get
Speaker 1: into something that I know that is right up your ally, Q,
Speaker 1: something that you and I have talked about quite a bit,
Speaker 1: and I know you have a lot to say about it.
Speaker 1: All skin folks ain't kin folks. And this is a
Speaker 1: statement as saying that exists in the black community. We'll
Speaker 1: say it to each other quite a bit when we
Speaker 1: are describing someone who looks like us but does not
Speaker 1: subscribe to the same morals, ideas, and so forth that
Speaker 1: generally speaking, most black people subscribe to. So that's now
Speaker 1: you're able to make the connection. All skin folk ain't
Speaker 1: kin folks. And we've seen this over the years. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a token black guy that as long as he's
Speaker 1: in the room, you know, white folks can say and
Speaker 1: do whatever they want and not themselves not consider themselves
Speaker 1: racist because hey, look see there's that guy over there.
Speaker 1: He's black, So I can't be racist because he's close
Speaker 1: enough in proximity to me, so the things that I
Speaker 1: say are justified. Otherwise he would take issue with it,
Speaker 1: wouldn't be my friend, whatever the case is. So we
Speaker 1: have to talk about this person because this is a
Speaker 1: black person we're talking about. This person is, as I stated,
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the show, oftentimes the black face
Speaker 1: of white supremacy. Now, I'm not talking about black people
Speaker 1: with conservative values, because those people exist. I've met lots
Speaker 1: of them. Some of them go to church, some of them,
Speaker 1: you know, they have military backgrounds or however they grew up.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about those people.
Speaker 2: Some of them are simply capitalist or.
Speaker 1: That they just want to protect their net worth, you know.
Speaker 1: And there's a different conversation to be had there, but
Speaker 1: that's not the one we're having right now. What I'm talking.
Speaker 3: About is.
Speaker 1: Black people that echo the most flagrant, the most harmful
Speaker 1: sentiments of white supremacy. Those people are often elevated to
Speaker 1: a status so that their message can be received in
Speaker 1: mass by lots of people. And what it does is,
Speaker 1: by default, it gives some degree of credibility quote unquote
Speaker 1: to what they're saying, even if it's nonsense. A great
Speaker 1: example of this is I'll remember a few years ago,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump came to Phoenix, Arizona, and there was a
Speaker 1: man in the audience, black man in the audience, and
Speaker 1: he had a sign. It was just a cheaply made sign,
Speaker 1: and it said Trump and Republicans aren't racist. He had
Speaker 1: brown skin just like me, and he had a sign,
Speaker 1: he had some wild looking hair. Now, black folks, we
Speaker 1: could look at this guy and be like, yo's some
Speaker 1: not all the way right about my man. But you know,
Speaker 1: white folks are certainly the white folks at the Trump
Speaker 1: Valley are like, ah see, look, hey, we can feel
Speaker 1: better about being here because there's that one black guy
Speaker 1: and he's got that sign. He says we're not racist,
Speaker 1: so or not racist, everybody to give it that, okay.
Speaker 3: Onward, And.
Speaker 1: Just by him being there, not what he stands for,
Speaker 1: not why he's saying that, there's none of that really matters,
Speaker 1: just by him being there with a sign, they took
Speaker 1: him out of the crowd and put him right behind
Speaker 1: Donald Trump so that he could be on all the cameras, all.
Speaker 3: The footage, all the photos, everything like that.
Speaker 1: And this guy became a minor celebrity for two to
Speaker 1: three weeks after that campaign, and that I think illustrates
Speaker 1: how these people are used and how they're often elevated
Speaker 1: because hey, there's one black person who agrees with all
Speaker 1: of the racist, baseless things that I'm saying with respect
Speaker 1: to black versus white in this country. And because this
Speaker 1: one black person agrees with me, then that's where the
Speaker 1: conversation ends. And I no longer have to be critical
Speaker 1: or have to have a critical examination of my policies,
Speaker 1: of my thoughts and my ideas and so forth, because
Speaker 1: as long as I'm not racist, it's just my quote
Speaker 1: unquote opinion. And normally I'm content to leave people to
Speaker 1: their opinions. You know, let leave you to your own devices.
Speaker 1: If you have a different opinion for me, that's fine.
Speaker 1: But when your opinion is rooted in my disenfranchisement, then
Speaker 1: I have to take issue with it. And if you
Speaker 1: can hide behind that black face of white supremacy, then
Speaker 1: that's one extra step that I have.
Speaker 3: To go through to really get you to really re.
Speaker 1: Examine your stance. And so today we're talking about that line,
Speaker 1: that blackface of white supremacy, and how it's very harmful
Speaker 1: on both sides.
Speaker 3: You know it, It.
Speaker 1: Really doesn't reflect the reality of Black America. It certainly
Speaker 1: does not reflect the general consensus of Black America. And
Speaker 1: for these black voices to look at black people en
Speaker 1: mass almost one percent of the time and say all
Speaker 1: black people got it wrong. Black people need to stop
Speaker 1: being victim Black people this and that and the other.
Speaker 1: I think that it's insulting to the greatest thinking that exist.
Speaker 1: Can't you can't for a second think that this one
Speaker 1: lone wolf represents the height of black intelligence when ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent of the rest of us are able to communicate,
Speaker 1: understand what our needs are, what our shortcomings are as
Speaker 1: a community, where the country has failed us and where
Speaker 1: we need to you know, fix you know, some gaps
Speaker 1: in society and make things more equitable. You can't ignore
Speaker 1: that and listen to this one person because what they
Speaker 1: say echoes what you want to hear and makes you
Speaker 1: feel better about what ultimately are often racist ideas and policies,
Speaker 1: you know, things that a lot of times white folks
Speaker 1: don't want to confront. Now, of course, not all white people,
Speaker 1: you know, there's lots of white folks who have more
Speaker 1: liberal beliefs than they never heard of the names we're
Speaker 1: about to mention. But typically it's the older white male,
Speaker 1: you know, well compensated and kind of lives a sheltered
Speaker 1: life with respect to you know, crossing color lines and
Speaker 1: interacting with people who don't look like him, that's able
Speaker 1: to hide behind these extremely conservative, extremely far white ring
Speaker 1: black voices and black faces, so that they don't have
Speaker 1: to confront the ugly head of racism that often stares
Speaker 1: them in the mirror whenever they, you know, look in
Speaker 1: a mirror and really have to come to terms with
Speaker 1: who they are as a person. Now, with that said,
Speaker 1: for those that don't know, there's a recall election in California.
Speaker 1: The current governor is Gavin Newsom. The recall is a
Speaker 1: power grab to try to install one of these black
Speaker 1: conservatives in office. And really he only needs twenty percent
Speaker 1: the vote to make that happen. It doesn't look likely
Speaker 1: that it's going to that's going to be the outcome.
Speaker 1: But this Larry Elder, this black Republican you know, candidate
Speaker 1: is has taken everything out of the Donald Trump playbook.
Speaker 1: He's behind in the polls, so he's already talking about
Speaker 1: fraud claims. You know, by the time you know, everything
Speaker 1: comes out, you know everything will be we'll know what
Speaker 1: we're looking at. But what I see here is that
Speaker 1: even before the votes were counted, even before everything was finalized,
Speaker 1: he was saying that, you know, there's it.
Speaker 3: Looks like there's fraud.
Speaker 1: He had a link on his Twitter page that says,
Speaker 1: if you see fraud. We've had We've had things investigated.
Speaker 1: It looks like fraud. If you see any fraud, please
Speaker 1: report it, even before the votes were counted. Now, to
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of background on this guy,
Speaker 1: Larry Elder, I'm going to read some notes I have here.
Speaker 1: It says many black voters here have heard him deny
Speaker 1: the existence of systemic anti black racism, have read his
Speaker 1: comments on former President Trump and the origin of the
Speaker 1: birther lie that former President Obama was born in Kenya.
Speaker 1: They remember that Elder published a book in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight titled Stupid Black Men. More recently, black voters
Speaker 1: have heard that his thoughts on reparations should go to
Speaker 1: the descendants of slave owners who lost their quote property
Speaker 1: when enslaved black people were emancipated. And one thing that
Speaker 1: I came upon more recently is an interview from some
Speaker 1: years ago where he was on the air defending George
Speaker 1: Zimmerman in the killing of Trayvon Martin by saying, this
Speaker 1: is the sort of behavior that we want. You know,
Speaker 1: this guy, Larry Elder was saying, you know, there had
Speaker 1: been crime in this neighborhood and this guy was being
Speaker 1: vigilant and he was attacked by Trayvon and just kind
Speaker 1: of rewrote the story. You know, and you know that neighborhood,
Speaker 1: just because I have to say that neighborhood was a
Speaker 1: bit more affluent. If there was crime in the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: you got to look at where the crime potentially came from.
Speaker 1: Might have been white folks who live in that neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Who knows. But the truth is Traymon Martin was walking
Speaker 1: home and he was approached by Zimmerman, and he defended
Speaker 1: himself such as such is the customary right to any
Speaker 1: living creature who feels under attack. Doesn't matter who you
Speaker 1: run upon. It could be a bear, it could be
Speaker 1: a buzz, it could be anything. They adopt a posture
Speaker 1: to defend themselves. It's kind of ingrained into the life
Speaker 1: cycle of any living creature. But this guy, Larry Elder,
Speaker 1: in that interview that I saw, chose to kind of
Speaker 1: turn the optics around and try to make tray Vaughn
Speaker 1: look like the thug that needed to be approached and
Speaker 1: handled for walking through the neighborhood. Now, this voter fraud
Speaker 1: thing echoing Trump's sentiments is a very scary thing. Obviously,
Speaker 1: this guy is a big fan of Donald Trump, and
Speaker 1: he's a favorite with conservatives. This guy has never been
Speaker 1: a politician before. He's a conservative radio show host who
Speaker 1: decided to elevate his status. And I mean, it be
Speaker 1: hard to imagine me running for governor of Arizona. But
Speaker 1: if I said the right things to the right people
Speaker 1: and allowed them to feel a little bit better about themselves,
Speaker 1: as we've seeing time and again, that's the fast track
Speaker 1: to getting some And my thinking is, they can't actually
Speaker 1: believe this stuff. They have to like I don't anymore.
Speaker 1: But I used to listen to Tucker Carlson, who is
Speaker 1: perhaps the white face of white supremacy. But I got
Speaker 1: to think, and I'm like, he can't actually think that
Speaker 1: this stuff is true. He's too intelligent. He's doing this
Speaker 1: on purpose. He's saying this on purpose because he knows
Speaker 1: that this is what works. He's a showman in the
Speaker 1: same way that Donald Trump is, except Tucker Carlson is
Speaker 1: a bit more intelligent. And in that same fashion, it
Speaker 1: feels like Larry Elder is doing the same thing, except
Speaker 1: he's black, and that is extremely harmful for black people
Speaker 1: when trying to appeal to other folks who lack perspect
Speaker 1: active into what the real day to day life is
Speaker 1: like in black skin in this country. Now, you and
Speaker 1: IQ have had lots of talks about him and another person,
Speaker 1: Candice Owens, and she actually has a quote on the
Speaker 1: goings on in California. I'll get to that in a second,
Speaker 1: but first I want to know your thoughts on these
Speaker 1: types of people. I know you know some.
Speaker 3: I know that. I just I want to get your
Speaker 3: take on this.
Speaker 2: My take is far more complex than you might imagine, okay,
Speaker 2: because I feel like there are different reasons that these
Speaker 2: type of people exist. Right the there is just flagrant naivete,
Speaker 2: like not knowing any better having lived such a sheltered life,
Speaker 2: be you black or white, rich or port where you
Speaker 2: have actually never experience these things yourself, so that you
Speaker 2: convince yourself they couldn't be possible. It's the same way
Speaker 2: a person reacts when someone that they know and care
Speaker 2: about does something heinous, right, like in their mind, there's
Speaker 2: no way that this person is capable of that. Or
Speaker 2: you'll hear someone in their own defense. You know, I
Speaker 2: couldn't have sexually assaulted anyone. I'm a father, I have daughters.
Speaker 2: As if that disqualifies you in some way. You know,
Speaker 2: we all have mothers. Every rapist in history has a mother.
Speaker 2: Did not stop them from doing very vile, disrespectful, distasteful,
Speaker 2: horrible things to women. But in some people's minds, they
Speaker 2: want to believe in the goodness of someone or something
Speaker 2: so much that they convince themselves that that person or
Speaker 2: those people are not capable of anything bad. I think
Speaker 2: that's the very, very very small minority of people that
Speaker 2: take this position. Then you have Stockholm syndrome. You know,
Speaker 2: people that just as a defense mechanism after each and
Speaker 2: train themselves feel a way about a person who's stumbed
Speaker 2: there under in order to survive. It's a survival technique
Speaker 2: that alters your mental state. And then you have the
Speaker 2: flat sellout who knows I just almost cursed, who knows
Speaker 2: darn well that the things that they're saying are blatantly
Speaker 2: false on their face, but they understand the platform it
Speaker 2: will provide for them. If Civic Cipher we're a right
Speaker 2: leaning conservative show, and week after week we shot down
Speaker 2: the notion that white supremacy exists, we'd be millionaires in
Speaker 2: very short order. It would have already happened, right, So,
Speaker 2: that's a very easy path to take, especially for us, right,
Speaker 2: not not everyone that takes that stance becomes famous. We
Speaker 2: would be super duper famous, really really fast if we
Speaker 2: took that position, with our same imaging, with our same logo,
Speaker 2: with our same everything, with DJ Swirl sitting next to us,
Speaker 2: with everything the same, but we just took that stance,
Speaker 2: we'd be on two hundred stations by Christmas and would
Speaker 2: be able to fund a very very lavish lifestyle based
Speaker 2: on that stance. And some people, without hesitation take that
Speaker 2: route for that reason, to uplift themselves and at the
Speaker 2: expense of everyone else. Right, Because when you're prominent and
Speaker 2: you take that position, it not only allows the people
Speaker 2: who are the perpetrators to feel guilt free, but it
Speaker 2: perpetuates the ideas that they spew that these things that
Speaker 2: we face on a daily basis don't really exist, and
Speaker 2: that we are playing the victim and that we're creating
Speaker 2: these shackles that are holding ourselves down. Harmful is an understatement.
Speaker 2: You know, the amount of damage that this causes and
Speaker 2: the amount of ears that it reaches is more than dangerous.
Speaker 2: You know, it's actually scary, man, because there are young
Speaker 2: people who aspire to have some position in life and
Speaker 2: see this sum as a route to having some measure
Speaker 2: of success and cloud and notoriety, and others who are
Speaker 2: just now as young people formulating their own positions and
Speaker 2: views on these things. And elder might be the first
Speaker 2: person that they hear speak that they think knows what
Speaker 2: he's talking about, and they'll listen to what he's saying.
Speaker 2: And even if it's just one person, that's way too
Speaker 2: many people to have turned to the dark side, if
Speaker 2: you will. So it's it's hard to all the way
Speaker 2: have a stance on these people because I don't think
Speaker 2: they all come from the Candace Owen Jason Whitlock school
Speaker 2: of I'm just going to turn my back on my
Speaker 2: people because it serves me school of thought. Unfortunately, all
Speaker 2: the ones that we're talking about are from that place.
Speaker 2: That's the only reason that we know who they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I want to tell you what she said.
Speaker 1: You know, I I'm sure lots of folks know who
Speaker 1: Candice Owens is, but for those that don't, this gives
Speaker 1: you an idea of.
Speaker 2: Poor baby what she's on.
Speaker 3: So poor baby.
Speaker 2: That's that's all I can say about her, is poor baby.
Speaker 3: Wow, absolutely.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Candace Owens has demanded an investigation into vote rigging. Remember
Speaker 1: this is before the votes were counted. Before they were counted.
Speaker 1: Candice Owens has demanded an investigation into vote rigging in
Speaker 1: the California gubernatorial recall election, claiming she received emails from
Speaker 1: voters alleging they had been prevented from casting a ballid.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 1: I received about twenty emails last night from people telling
Speaker 1: me that they went to vote for Larry Elder only
Speaker 1: to learn that they had already voted. End quote, Owens
Speaker 1: tweeted on Monday, alongside a video from a news broadcast
Speaker 1: which reported the confusion was due to a sense resolved
Speaker 1: equipment issue.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 1: This needs to be investigated. It seems like the fix
Speaker 1: is in end quote. The conservative political commentator added. Now,
Speaker 1: if that doesn't stir the pot, if that doesn't fire
Speaker 1: up the right, if that doesn't further separate us, you know,
Speaker 1: and of course Donald Trump weighed in on this.
Speaker 3: You know, oh, it looks just like what happened to me.
Speaker 2: But whatever that he couldn't wait to Yeah.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 1: You know, as we know, there's no voter fraud. This
Speaker 1: is California. It's like the most liberal place in the universe. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe not the universe, but certainly on this side of
Speaker 1: the country. Close shout out to Northampton, Massachusetts one time
Speaker 1: we see you. But but yeah, so you know, just
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. If you're hear somebody and there
Speaker 1: have some conservative viewpoints, that's okay. But if you hear
Speaker 1: somebody in there a little bit too far, do your
Speaker 1: best not to lean too far into that. Try to
Speaker 1: get a consensus of how black people feel, not how
Speaker 1: a black person feels. And I think that you'll do okay,
Speaker 1: But in the case of these folks, you should really don't.
Speaker 1: Don't let the lights and the and the glitz and
Speaker 1: the glamour full you into thinking that there's some than
Speaker 1: there that isn't.
Speaker 2: And now.
Speaker 3: Watch hold my mic back.
Speaker 2: You're like that you can strike.
Speaker 5: Waters from head borders behind him.
Speaker 1: And if you're just tuning in to civic czicher, I'm host. Ramsays, yeah.
Speaker 2: Rams just calls me q. My mother calls me Q dirty.
Speaker 2: I don't know what swirrel calls me swirrel? What do
Speaker 2: you call me, sir?
Speaker 4: It depends on the day.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll just roll with cute in how about that?
Speaker 1: Uh? And we're just tuning in to the show stick Around.
Speaker 3: We are going to be discussing.
Speaker 1: Our way Black History fact with DJ Swirl. We're also
Speaker 1: going to be looking into the killing of Kawasaki Trey
Speaker 1: wick Uh in New York City that happened in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: We just got the videos out not too long ago,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna go back and have a critical examination
Speaker 1: of that. But first we are going to discuss becoming
Speaker 1: a better ally. That is b a ba or baba
Speaker 1: to those who have been correctly initiated. This week, we
Speaker 1: are sharing the stage with our Native American brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: For those that don't know, check out the hashtag land Back.
Speaker 3: I love this hashtag.
Speaker 1: It is powering, it's beautiful, it's a celebration of culture
Speaker 1: and history, and.
Speaker 3: It feels way overdue.
Speaker 1: Land Back, in short, is a call for this country
Speaker 1: to return some of the stolen lands back to indigenous
Speaker 1: tribes indigenous peoples in an attempt to right the wrongs
Speaker 1: of the past. And one such occurrence of this happened recently,
Speaker 1: so I'll read this. Over the past three years, the
Speaker 1: Chickahamany tribe in Charles City County received nearly seven million
Speaker 1: dollars in state funding to acquire and preserve tribal lands,
Speaker 1: staving off development improving water quality in.
Speaker 3: The Chesapeake Bay Watershed.
Speaker 1: The current plan for the three point five million dollars
Speaker 1: provided by the General Assembly this year is to purchase
Speaker 1: more lands and that have cultural significance to the tribe.
Speaker 1: According to Dana Adkins, the Chickahamany Tribe's environmental Director, an
Speaker 1: area of over nine hundred acres likely containing the historic
Speaker 1: remains of the Chickahami village called Mamana Hunt, is currently
Speaker 1: being considered for acquisition. Other properties along the Chickahamani River
Speaker 1: in Charles City County, where tribal villages were located, are
Speaker 1: also of interest to the tribe. If you want to
Speaker 1: become a better ally, please look into this hashtag land Back.
Speaker 1: There are things that you can do as an individual
Speaker 1: to support this initiative. Obviously this is a black show,
Speaker 1: but we do share this space and solidarity with our
Speaker 1: Native brothers and sisters, our Asian brothers and sisters, our
Speaker 1: White brothers and sisters, our Hispanic brothers and sisters, and
Speaker 1: so forth and so on, and today we are honored
Speaker 1: to be able to share this story on behalf of
Speaker 1: our native brothers and sisters. So once again, take a
Speaker 1: look into the hashtag land back now. Kawasaki Treewick. It's
Speaker 1: a name that you may or may not know. We
Speaker 1: know the name because we were made aware of.
Speaker 3: This shooting.
Speaker 1: Many months ago. We didn't get a chance to talk
Speaker 1: about it on the air, though, because whatever week it
Speaker 1: came in on, we had too many other murders to
Speaker 1: cover police shootings or whatever the case was. But now
Speaker 1: we get to talk about this now. As many folks
Speaker 1: who listened to the show regularly know, we don't all
Speaker 1: watch the videos. This story does have a video that
Speaker 1: was recently released, which kind of pushed it to the
Speaker 1: top of our stories stack, and when there's a video involved,
Speaker 1: we take turns with the video. We don't want to
Speaker 1: become accustomed to trauma against black bodies. We don't want
Speaker 1: to become accustomed to black death. We don't want that
Speaker 1: to be the norm. And yet we have a journalistic
Speaker 1: responsibility here to discuss instances like this where there is
Speaker 1: a loss of black life at the hands of some
Speaker 1: governmental agency. Most frequently it is the police. So this
Speaker 1: time it was my turn. I watched a man lose
Speaker 1: his life this week, and I'm grateful that my producer
Speaker 1: DJ Swirl and my co host Qward didn't have to
Speaker 1: watch that happen. I want to talk you through this
Speaker 1: and then we need to examine it, because I think
Speaker 1: in this story we are able to uncover a couple
Speaker 1: more layers of the callousness that police often have when
Speaker 1: dealing with black and brown bodies. Before I get there, though,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a little bit of this story to you.
Speaker 1: Kawasaki Treywick was shot and killed in his Bronx apartment
Speaker 1: by a New York Police Department officer on April fourteen,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Footage released last month. Finally, oh sorry.
Speaker 3: The footage was released last month.
Speaker 1: The NYPD said Treywick had charged dead officers.
Speaker 3: With a knife.
Speaker 1: Video of the shooting shows the officers had escalated the
Speaker 1: situation and that one officer then shot Treywick over his
Speaker 1: more experienced partners objections. All right, so let me tell
Speaker 1: you about this video in case you haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: At no point where I ever recommend that you watch
Speaker 1: a video of a human being, doesn't matter what color
Speaker 1: they are losing their life. It's such a sad thing,
Speaker 1: especially when you know how precious life is. I'm a father,
Speaker 1: so I saw a life come into this world, and
Speaker 1: I realize how difficult it is to create life. And
Speaker 1: after seeing so many videos of people losing their lives
Speaker 1: on the other side of a gun, often it is
Speaker 1: a soul crushing thing to witness. But here we are.
Speaker 3: In the video.
Speaker 1: It's spliced together, so there's camera footage from the apartment
Speaker 1: where Kawasaki lives, and then it cuts to the police
Speaker 1: bodycam video. Now, from what I can gather, Kawasaki had
Speaker 1: more effeminate mannerisms. I cannot say that he was a
Speaker 1: gay man, because I don't know that, but I can
Speaker 1: say that relative to most men that I know, he
Speaker 1: seemed to have more effeminate mannerisms. Now, I recognize, from
Speaker 1: knowing many of my homosexual brothers and sisters, or non
Speaker 1: binary brothers and sisters, or non gender conforming brothers and sisters,
Speaker 1: that sometimes life is a little bit harder. That is
Speaker 1: definitely a strike against you if you're born in this country. Still,
Speaker 1: you know, there's been a lot of progress, but certainly
Speaker 1: a long way to go before homosexuality is as accepted
Speaker 1: and bullying reaches its minimal point and so forth and
Speaker 1: so on, and so I have to believe that if
Speaker 1: in fact that was the case with this man Kawasaki, that.
Speaker 3: You know it.
Speaker 1: There's some challenges to growing up. Not saying that this
Speaker 1: next part is right, but I am saying that I
Speaker 1: understand that this is often the case sometimes people who
Speaker 1: were born and have more effeminate mannerisms. Again, I can't
Speaker 1: say for certain that this man was gay, but sometimes
Speaker 1: they're picked on, and you know, everyone finds their way
Speaker 1: to cope with that. Some folks will turn to drugs
Speaker 1: to cope with it, and some folks, you know, who
Speaker 1: knows what the story is. But in any case, there
Speaker 1: is a mental component that they're trying to address. There's
Speaker 1: some way they're trying to reconcile the world they live in.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm born, I deserve love, I seek love,
Speaker 1: and then every day of my life I feel pain
Speaker 1: or I feel rejection or whatever the case is, and
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to navigate. I would imagine, you know,
Speaker 1: I would never say that I know firsthand, but in
Speaker 1: an attempt to empathize several times over the years, I
Speaker 1: can imagine that that's a very difficult thing. To reconcile.
Speaker 1: Now back to this video, what we see is that
Speaker 1: Kawasaki locks himself out of his apartment. The why couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you, but for some reason, he's in the hallway
Speaker 1: walking back and forth, and then he's knocking on the
Speaker 1: neighbors doors saying that the building is on fire. And
Speaker 1: then he calls the fire department and says the building
Speaker 1: is on fire, and there's a recording of that call,
Speaker 1: and then the fire department comes. They open the door
Speaker 1: to his apartment, let him back in, and under normal
Speaker 1: circumstances that would be it. But you can kind of
Speaker 1: tell from the video that he's kind of doesn't really
Speaker 1: appear to be moving like how a normal person would move,
Speaker 1: you know. There seemed to be some confusion in his steps.
Speaker 1: You know, who knows. So he gets back in his
Speaker 1: house and a few minutes later the police arrive. Now
Speaker 1: my understanding is that this is standard practice. Police show
Speaker 1: up along with the fireman or fire department, I should say,
Speaker 1: and do a surface level investigation or provide support to
Speaker 1: the to the fire department, or whatever the case is.
Speaker 1: So the police come to the house and they knock
Speaker 1: on the door, and then he doesn't open the door.
Speaker 1: I guess there's some communication through the door, but he
Speaker 1: has like a chain lock on the door, so it
Speaker 1: might be open just a bit. And the police ultimately
Speaker 1: gain access to the house. Now Kawasaki is in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and the front door opens into the kitchen. It's a
Speaker 1: small New York apartment, so the front door opens right
Speaker 1: into the kitchen. He's in the kitchen, and it looked
Speaker 1: like he might have been in a robe or something
Speaker 1: like that. And he's holding a bread knife in one
Speaker 1: hand and something else and the other I couldn't remember
Speaker 1: what I was, but a towel or a plate or something,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever, something like that, just nothing harmful. But
Speaker 1: the bread knife, of course, is how the story gets twisted.
Speaker 1: So the younger officer, who's white is he starts saying,
Speaker 1: you know, put the knife down, put the knife down,
Speaker 1: put the knife down. The elder officer, the officer had
Speaker 1: been on the force much longer, I think it was
Speaker 1: seventeen years. The older officer was black. The younger officer
Speaker 1: was white and on the force for three years. So
Speaker 1: the older officer was black, right, And of course Kawasaki
Speaker 1: Treewick is black. The older officer at several points tries
Speaker 1: to calm down the white officer, you know, because.
Speaker 3: You know, you can look at.
Speaker 1: It and tell that there's something not right with this situation.
Speaker 1: But I watched the video myself. It did not look
Speaker 1: like an attack was imminent unless you looked at the police.
Speaker 1: The police immediately adopted that position that all this guy
Speaker 1: is going to attack us. But Kawasaki in the kitchen
Speaker 1: was upset because they opened his door, and he was saying,
Speaker 1: the fire depart and has already been here, what are
Speaker 1: you doing here?
Speaker 3: Why are you here?
Speaker 1: The fire department came and they left. I'm back in
Speaker 1: my house. What are you doing here? Why are you
Speaker 1: opening my door? Meanwhile, the younger officer put put the
Speaker 1: knife downstair put the knife down, and Kawasaki says, I
Speaker 1: have a knife because I'm cooking in my kitchen.
Speaker 3: I live here. You don't live here. This is my house.
Speaker 1: And you know, they have an exchange back and forth,
Speaker 1: and then the younger officer shoots him with a taser,
Speaker 1: and so he the video shows that him go down
Speaker 1: because of the taser, and he's screaming, of course, and yeah,
Speaker 1: just like you imagine it. Then the taser stops and
Speaker 1: then he stands back up, and the whole time, the
Speaker 1: old officer, the black officer, is trying to reel in
Speaker 1: the younger officer, saying like, we don't want to do this, like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's that we don't we don't need to do this. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's you know, I'm trying to, you know, exert some
Speaker 1: control over the situation. But immediately this younger officer went
Speaker 1: into paranoid mode. He immediately became afraid. There was no
Speaker 1: bravery shown in this video by New York's Bravest or
Speaker 1: whatever they're supposed to be. It immediately went to fear,
Speaker 1: which I I don't want you to watch it, but
Speaker 1: you would have to watch it to really understand what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to articulate here. But I'll move on. So
Speaker 1: Kawasaki gets up, and now he's very much upset. He's
Speaker 1: like trying to back away from the door. He's he's,
Speaker 1: you know, he's very upset. He's why would you do that?
Speaker 1: Why are you doing this to me?
Speaker 3: Why are you know? Very confused?
Speaker 1: And you can see it now if he's having a
Speaker 1: mental episode and he's seeing fire that's not there, and
Speaker 1: he's knocking on doors and you know that sort of
Speaker 1: a thing. These are not the right people that are
Speaker 1: going to help the situation. They're not protecting anything, they're
Speaker 1: not serving anyone. They're murdering someone who needs help. Regardless
Speaker 1: of who they are, regardless of what they've been through,
Speaker 1: there should be dignity assigned to life, right and in
Speaker 1: my estimation, I never saw anything that looked like an attack.
Speaker 1: And if there was an attack, if you could make
Speaker 1: a case for an attack, all you have to do
Speaker 1: is move away from the door, because he can only
Speaker 1: get at you through the doorway. If you move away
Speaker 1: from the door, then you have a few more feet
Speaker 1: to continue your negotiation. And at the last second, then
Speaker 1: you can discharge a weapon a way. You know, show
Speaker 1: me some bravery, show me some leniency, show me some
Speaker 1: respect for human life that's not present in this video.
Speaker 3: Stood up.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 1: Incredibly upset that these people came into his house and
Speaker 1: started hurting him when he was cooking dinner. And he
Speaker 1: got back closer to the officers, but there was never
Speaker 1: a charge. And closer to the officers is we'll call
Speaker 1: it six seven feet away from the officers. You know,
Speaker 1: this isn't like he's right, you know, within striking distance
Speaker 1: with a knife. This isn't that type of proximity. He's
Speaker 1: just you know, moving, he's animated, and he's upset, and
Speaker 1: he's trying to make his point, as you do when
Speaker 1: you're standing and there's two people standing around. You're moving
Speaker 1: in your kitchen, like, yo, why are you doing this?
Speaker 3: You know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Your arms tend to wave this sort of thing. By now,
Speaker 1: the younger officer has his gun out and shoots, I
Speaker 1: believe five times into the house. Two of the shots
Speaker 1: hit Kawasaki and that was the end of his life.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So a couple of things. I got this from Pro PUBLICA.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I give them credit
Speaker 1: because they wrote a couple of articles that helped me
Speaker 1: to script this part of the show. They noted that
Speaker 1: the officers failed to use the techniques from the NYPD's
Speaker 1: crisis Intervention training program to de escalate the confrontation with Tredwick.
Speaker 1: You know, that's just something I wanted to get out
Speaker 1: there for people who say the officers need better training.
Speaker 1: They've been getting better training and better training and better
Speaker 1: training for many years and they go out and they
Speaker 1: kill people. So that's not working. Let's try something else.
Speaker 1: Let's re examine this idea of defunding the police and
Speaker 1: have an open mind about it. Another note, the more
Speaker 1: experienced officer, as I mentioned, Herbert Davis, who was black,
Speaker 1: repeatedly told his partner Brendan Thompson, who was white, to
Speaker 1: use force against Treywick. Thompson nonetheless open fire on Treywick,
Speaker 1: first with a taser, then with a gun, killing Treywick.
Speaker 1: Other officers converged on the building in the bronx after
Speaker 1: the officer who fired at Treywick reported quote shots fired
Speaker 1: in quote. Many of the arriving officers activated body worn
Speaker 1: cameras which captured what they said. And this is the
Speaker 1: part that really stood out. This is actually what sucked
Speaker 1: us back in the disdirection. So in the video, one
Speaker 1: of the officers, sorry one A sergeant asks who's injured
Speaker 1: as she arrives in front of the door, and two
Speaker 1: officers respond in near unison quote nobody, just a purp
Speaker 1: end quote. Now I want to quote Treywick's mother. Her
Speaker 1: name is Ellen Trewick, and she told this to the
Speaker 1: pro public publication that I got a lot of these
Speaker 1: notes from.
Speaker 3: She says, the footage quote upsets.
Speaker 1: Me on so many levels. I don't see why they
Speaker 1: would refer to my son as a quote purp. He
Speaker 1: had not committed a crime, He was not committing a crime,
Speaker 1: and he was in his own home end quote. So
Speaker 1: not only did they enter this man's home, not only
Speaker 1: did they taste him in his home after he reported,
Speaker 1: everything's fine, I'm cooking dinner, fire department already came. Then
Speaker 1: they murdered him. They shot him twice in his house
Speaker 1: where he died laid on the floor. And then as
Speaker 1: more police converged onto the scene, who's injured, nobody, We're
Speaker 1: all fine, Nobody just a purp. Who's injured? Like, is
Speaker 1: anyone injured? Nobody? Just a purp? And I guarantee, I guarantee.
Speaker 1: If the officer had shot a dog, there's just a
Speaker 1: different reaction. Like you're listening to my voice, you're listening
Speaker 1: to the show. Imagine hearing this story, but except for
Speaker 1: a black man, the officer burst into a house and
Speaker 1: shot a dog. How upsetting that would be to all
Speaker 1: the people that you know. But because it's just a
Speaker 1: black man, you have to hear about this story from
Speaker 1: civic cipher. That's why this show exists because it's not
Speaker 1: on CNN, it's not on Fox News. Of course, it's
Speaker 1: not big enough to make it there. And yet this
Speaker 1: is where the rubber meets the road. This is where
Speaker 1: our interactions with the people who are supposed to protect
Speaker 1: and service causes us more fear than just dealing with
Speaker 1: the problem ourselves. I've never called the police in my life,
Speaker 1: and I never would. Why would I do that they're
Speaker 1: gonna show. Oh, I take that back. I did call
Speaker 1: the police one time. I remember this, and I told them.
Speaker 1: I went to a convenience store and I told them, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what happened. I'm the good guy, this is
Speaker 1: what I'm wearing, this is the car I'm driving, and
Speaker 1: this is the interaction that you have to have with
Speaker 1: the police. And I didn't need them for anything, just
Speaker 1: to document something that had happened, but I needed them to.
Speaker 3: Know that, hey, you're safe.
Speaker 1: Look for the person wearing this, that's the good guy,
Speaker 1: and we're good. And I recognize that other people grow
Speaker 1: up thinking that police are heroes. And to be fair,
Speaker 1: we've talked about on this show instances where police officers
Speaker 1: have been heroes. It is definitely possible for people to
Speaker 1: go above and beyond in that job. I make sure
Speaker 1: that I say that it is a job and do
Speaker 1: something heroic, and when the credit is due, we certainly
Speaker 1: will give credit. But we have to be honest when
Speaker 1: examining the institution of policing in this country. We have
Speaker 1: to be very honest about it. It is since its inception,
Speaker 1: been exceptionally unfair to black people, to brown people, to
Speaker 1: Asian people, pretty much to anyone who's not a white
Speaker 1: male landowner in this country. And I think that this
Speaker 1: story certainly echoes that. Now I got, I had to
Speaker 1: get that out. I'm so sorry. I just talked and
Speaker 1: talked and talked, but I got like a minute. And
Speaker 1: I do want to hear your thoughts on it, because
Speaker 1: I know you didn't get to see it. But how
Speaker 1: does that hit you? Q?
Speaker 2: So I make sure that we're hyper objective here we said,
Speaker 2: and then by we, I mean when you're speaking, you're
Speaker 2: speaking from both of us. Said that he'd committed no crime,
Speaker 2: and that's not true. Calling the fire department is saying
Speaker 2: that there's a fire when there's not is a crime.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: The problem is the punishment for calling a false fire
Speaker 2: is not murder. In your kitchen, right. That's it's the
Speaker 2: only thing I have to say. This isn't a new story,
Speaker 2: so I can't give you a new point of view.
Speaker 2: This is story nine hundred and thirty seven this year,
Speaker 2: with the exact same circumstances and the exact same outcome. Right,
Speaker 2: And there's no outrage because the purp was black, not
Speaker 2: because he was a criminal, because I've seen white purps
Speaker 2: wielding assault rifles while murdering people be apprehended safely and
Speaker 2: taken for food. Yeah, so purp was not the word
Speaker 2: they wanted to use. But the body cams are on
Speaker 2: and these things are recording, and someone might hear me
Speaker 2: say this, So no, no one's hurt, just this black
Speaker 2: dude that we shot because we felt like it. We
Speaker 2: weren't scared. And then you said that too for us,
Speaker 2: and I don't subscribe to it wasn't fear right, you're
Speaker 2: afraid when someone's pointing in AK forty seven at you
Speaker 2: when you see the black man and that being his
Speaker 2: crime crime number one, his skin, right, And if you're conservative,
Speaker 2: right leaning, heterosexual, Christian white police officer, him being a
Speaker 2: bit of feminine might also be a crime to you.
Speaker 2: So I've decided today that that bread knife is all
Speaker 2: I needed to see to justify to myself murdering this guy.
Speaker 2: And I know that my fraternity of officers, because you said,
Speaker 2: they said this in Unison, will feel like it's okay.
Speaker 2: I just killed a purp, Like, what's the problem. Why
Speaker 2: is everybody so upset? No, we're fine. We just knocked
Speaker 2: on his door and murdered him. We're fine, We're cool.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the big deal is. Y'all want
Speaker 2: to go get some donuts?
Speaker 1: Boom such as life and also released a video sooner
Speaker 1: so we don't have to wait this long next time.
Speaker 3: Anyway, gotta move.
Speaker 2: It on thing. We'll be outraged sooner.
Speaker 1: Well, now it's time to get into the Way Black
Speaker 1: History Fact as we do DJ swirl what you got
Speaker 1: for us?
Speaker 3: This week?
Speaker 4: The Way Black History Fact highlights the accomplishments of doctor
Speaker 4: Macy Jemison. This week in nineteen ninety two, became the
Speaker 4: first African American woman in space. Born October seventeenth, nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty six, Macy Jemson is the youngest of three children,
Speaker 4: whose mother was an elementary school teacher and father of
Speaker 4: maintenance supervisor from a young age, she knew that she
Speaker 4: wanted to study science and grew up watching the Apollo
Speaker 4: Airrings on TV, but was often upset that there were
Speaker 4: no female astronauts. Jemison was inspired by African American actress
Speaker 4: Michelle Nichols, who played Lieutenant Uhara on the Star Trek
Speaker 4: television show. From that point on, she was determined to
Speaker 4: one day travel in space. Fluent in Russian, Japanese, and Swahili,
Speaker 4: Jemison joined the Peace Corps in nineteen eighty three and
Speaker 4: served as a medical officer for two years in Africa.
Speaker 4: Once Sally Ryde became the first American woman in space
Speaker 4: in eighty three, she decided to apply to the astronaut
Speaker 4: program at NASA. She applied in nineteen eighty five, but
Speaker 4: the Shuttle Challenger exploded in nineteen eighty six and NASA
Speaker 4: took a break from accepting new people. She applied again
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty seven and was one of fifteen people
Speaker 4: chosen out of two thousand applications. She received her first
Speaker 4: mission on September twenty eighth of eighty nine as a
Speaker 4: mission specialist, and on September twelfth of ninety two, she
Speaker 4: and six other astronauts went into space on the space
Speaker 4: show Endeavor. After hearing that she was a fan of
Speaker 4: the show, Star Trek, actor LeVar Burton asked Jemison to
Speaker 4: appear in an episode. She agreed and became the first
Speaker 4: real astronaut to be on an episode of Star Trek
Speaker 4: the Next Generation. She played Lieutenant Palmer in the episode
Speaker 4: Oh Second Chances. In addition to her many awards, Jamison
Speaker 4: has been inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: and the International Space Hall of Fame. This all comes
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Speaker 3: Can I can I go first on this? And please?
Speaker 3: It's gonna be real short.
Speaker 1: That was dope, man, you beat me to it because
Speaker 1: I was gonna go ooh, that's it.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that was credit. The fact that I'm smiling
Speaker 2: right now after what happened before that, let you know
Speaker 2: how incredible that was.
Speaker 3: We gotta brighten it up. We gotta hey, man, that's right,
Speaker 3: that's all right, we need that.
Speaker 2: Appreciate I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: She sh banger so wow. That that brought me back
Speaker 3: to life. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's the truth.
Speaker 6: And and you know what, I normally don't do this
Speaker 6: because they know we have to have some forward momentum
Speaker 6: in the show. But do you see how it took
Speaker 6: a long time for her to get to where she
Speaker 6: could actually accomplish that, to where she's on that level
Speaker 6: where we're talking about her so many years later. You know,
Speaker 6: sometimes it takes a little bit of time and who
Speaker 6: knows what she went through in her life to get there.
Speaker 6: And there's some people who don't even get the opportunity
Speaker 6: and their life is snuffed out. And yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 6: But you know, both with plenty of melanin. I do
Speaker 6: want to say this though, you know, I don't really
Speaker 6: get to share a lot of personal stuff on the
Speaker 6: show because we have to talk about, you know, the
Speaker 6: goings on in the world. But I am I'm becoming
Speaker 6: a proud Treky.
Speaker 1: But I've always been a Treki since the eighties. Right,
Speaker 1: It's hard to get proud about it because you know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, like it's kind of nerdy, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of nerdy.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? So, Lieutenant Uhura or sorry,
Speaker 3: Lieutenant Uhara.
Speaker 1: Michelle Nichols uh the actress, this is something I knew about.
Speaker 1: I knew about the story about her and Whoopy Goldberg
Speaker 1: and Whoopy Golberg coming on to the next generation playing
Speaker 1: Guynan and being inspired by Michelle Nichols. I knew about
Speaker 1: I've heard about Macy Gimmison, but never to this degree.
Speaker 3: That was amazing.
Speaker 1: What a life, What an accomplishment that's that's that's incredibly special.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think.
Speaker 3: That stories like that really give a lot in the
Speaker 3: way of.
Speaker 1: Perspective. You know, for folks who don't live perhaps they
Speaker 1: the people have a lot of kindness in their heart,
Speaker 1: they want the world to be as good a place
Speaker 1: as it can be, but perhaps they don't interact with
Speaker 1: or live around a lot of black people.
Speaker 3: So all they get our.
Speaker 1: Stories and you know, hear say and then limited interactions
Speaker 1: here and there, and then you know, unfortunately, a lot
Speaker 1: of the stories that really make it make their way
Speaker 1: to the public are either sports stories or stories about
Speaker 1: you know, like a world that people really don't live in,
Speaker 1: or they are more negative stories about death or violence
Speaker 1: or you know, you know whatever. And I think there's
Speaker 1: a disconnect when people ignore the fact that a lot
Speaker 1: of times crime and criminal behavior runs along the money line,
Speaker 1: you know, and if there's less money, then there's a
Speaker 1: lot more in the way of criminal I guess by
Speaker 1: definition behavior. You know, people just trying to put two
Speaker 1: and two together. You know, there's lots of people. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that everybody listening to this. If you've ever had
Speaker 1: any money problems in your life, the first thing that
Speaker 1: your imagination goes to, if your imagination is somewhat based
Speaker 1: in reality, is the first criminal thing that you can
Speaker 1: do to make ends meet. Now, imagine being twice as
Speaker 1: desperate and living in an environment a great deal of hopelessness,
Speaker 1: while still having access to that imaginary scenario, you know,
Speaker 1: and potentially having it come true and you'll be able
Speaker 1: to bridge gap. And so you end up with a
Speaker 1: lot of those criminal behaviors, not just for black people,
Speaker 1: but everywhere there's less money. And so this is why
Speaker 1: there's always been a push to create more equitable employment
Speaker 1: opportunities to minimize on things like that. But anyway, the
Speaker 1: point is is that I think this shows that skin
Speaker 1: color is an imaginary thing that exists in society that
Speaker 1: separates us. Now we know that it does, but the
Speaker 1: fact that it's so pronounced in the world is not
Speaker 1: based in anything scientific. It's just something that we hold
Speaker 1: against each other. But in terms of our capacity to
Speaker 1: reach you know, astronaut levels of you know whatever, then yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not holding us back at all. You know, everybody
Speaker 1: is just as capable, female, black, et cetera. With that said,
Speaker 1: it's about time for us to wrap it up, So
Speaker 1: any last thoughts.
Speaker 2: As a means for division, it's imaginary. Skin color is
Speaker 2: that's very real. We all see it.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean right, As.
Speaker 2: A means of division, it's ignorant in imaginary, and it
Speaker 2: just sucks that you have to be that astronomical part
Speaker 2: in the pun. You have to speak four languages and
Speaker 2: join the peer core and do all those things that
Speaker 2: someone that didn't look like her or that wasn't a
Speaker 2: her wouldn't have had to do to accomplish what she accomplished.
Speaker 1: Very good watch, but that said, uh, thanks again for
Speaker 1: tuning in the civic sacherround.
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