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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and one would you adjust

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Speaker 1: of your emergency of ninety four Dole Avenue, Crystal like Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Um we uh feel a missing child? Um book up

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Speaker 1: this morning? And uh he wasn't wasn't the evenescing child? Howard?

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Speaker 1: Is he he's five? What would you last king warn?

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Speaker 1: Um Mario like blues launch from sweatshirt and a black

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Speaker 1: don't like it because it's like he's reading from a script.

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Speaker 1: There's no emotion, he's not rushing through it. Now my

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Randy Kessler Emory Law School trial

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Speaker 1: professor will probably say that means nothing, but it means

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Speaker 1: a lot to me. I mean, see, Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: crime Stories and I'm talking about a missing five year

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Speaker 1: old little boy. Aj friend. Take a listen to the

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Speaker 1: rest of that nine on one call mail Wait yes,

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Speaker 1: Hella and wa last night? Uh probably nine thirty. What

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Speaker 1: do you want to bother? Thank you an your father? Yes? Yes?

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Speaker 1: An't no way about him? Why no? Um, we can't

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Speaker 1: idea where he would be, no idea where he would

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Speaker 1: be a five year old child. You know what, After

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Speaker 1: or let me rephrase that, you don't hear her saying

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter John Limley, I want to go to the

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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation, Mark Class. Their demeanor is

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Speaker 1: it's just all wrong. Now. I know Randy Kessler is

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Speaker 1: because I have read everything I can get my hands on.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to a million times about when your daughter

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Speaker 1: Polly went missing. You were like a wild animal. You

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Speaker 1: are practically lying on the police headquarters steps, going, take

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Speaker 1: took Polly. I'm not hearing that from Andrew friend, the father.

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Speaker 1: I'm not hearing at Mark Class. Well, you know that

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Speaker 1: what he's doing right now, Nacy is facing a parent's

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Speaker 1: He should want the police to be there, to do something,

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Speaker 1: be somewhere in the background, you would think. But none

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Speaker 1: a script. There are red flag allows nine one one

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Speaker 1: want you to explain to the listeners when you were

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Speaker 1: first told beautiful Polly was missing, What happened? What went

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Speaker 1: through your body, your mind, your heart. It's called you know.

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Speaker 1: Paully didn't live with me. She lived with her mother

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Speaker 1: in Pedaluma, California, which is thirty miles north of where

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Speaker 1: to Pedalouma and the police don't want somebody trampling evidence. Well,

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Speaker 1: heaven Now, John Linley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: other breaking crime news. I know that you and doctor

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Speaker 1: Bober and Randy Kessler are just got morgan to mark

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Speaker 1: that went through my body when John David went missing

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Speaker 1: to you, Randy Kestler, I'm not hearing that from Andrew Friend. No,

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Speaker 1: You are hearing the father of aj friend. That's Andrew

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Speaker 1: Frim with the mother Joe and Cunningham piping in in

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Speaker 1: all Star panel. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonal State University,

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Speaker 1: Was this a work day, John Line? Exactly what day

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Speaker 1: age five, completely defenseless, living in a home where they

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Speaker 1: are systematically starved, beaten, nobody cleans up there, there's dog

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Speaker 1: feces in Urine. This past weekend, I went back to

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Speaker 1: my hometown of Macon. You know, Mark, my mom lives

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Speaker 1: with me now. After my dad went to Heaven. We

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Speaker 1: went back and the water heater wasn't working and the

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Speaker 1: heat wasn't working, and there was a cold snap out

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Speaker 1: of the blue for Easter. We had to take polar

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Speaker 1: bear showers, as I laughingly call them to the twins,

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Speaker 1: who finally resorted to wet white baths. It was freezing cold,

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Speaker 1: no heat, and I would just bundle up with the

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Speaker 1: twins under the covers to try to stay warm, because

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Speaker 1: you know, she's here and the house is in Macon,

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Speaker 1: And for some reason, the pilot went out on the

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Speaker 1: gas light and I just could not make it light.

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Speaker 1: And nobody would come out on Easter weekend, all right,

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about this five year old little boy

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Speaker 1: and the little brother seventeen times defects has been called

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Speaker 1: Mark class. They're living in an ice cold in an

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Speaker 1: ice cold house, freezing water, with feces and urine on

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Speaker 1: the floor, the window open. But even worse, the boys

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Speaker 1: covered in bruises and de facts. Leaves them there, Mark

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Speaker 1: class leaves them there, a five year old to get

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Speaker 1: tortured every day. Well, Nancy, they were living in a

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Speaker 1: torture chamber, and they were living in squalor. They were

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Speaker 1: living with two parents who couldn't have cared less about them,

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Speaker 1: who may even have been sadistic in their approaches to

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Speaker 1: raising their children. And quite frankly, little Aja has escaped,

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Speaker 1: escaped that that lifestyle, and he will never be heard again.

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Speaker 1: And I would say the same for his little brother's

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Speaker 1: been He's been removed from that family and he now

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Speaker 1: has an opportunity to grow up into a productive citizen.

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Speaker 1: But nobody, no human being should ever have to live

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Speaker 1: in squalor. Just thinking about a five year old little

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Speaker 1: child and a little brother who don't know anything different

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Speaker 1: than a life of pain, starvation, being beaten and yelled

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Speaker 1: at every day. That's what their life is. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, Randy Kessler, you know my twins

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Speaker 1: very well this morning when I was trying to I

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Speaker 1: had made them a fruit smoothies last night, put them

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Speaker 1: in the fridge and a cheese toast to eat on

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Speaker 1: the way to school, and I was just so beside

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Speaker 1: myself that they didn't finish their smoothie and their cheese toast.

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Speaker 1: That was my big concern. Okay, And I'm just thinking

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Speaker 1: about all the moms and dads that I know, or

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Speaker 1: at least I think I know them, care so much,

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Speaker 1: and I think about these little children getting tweated like

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Speaker 1: this every day. What does it mean when I say

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Speaker 1: defacts has been called on them at least seventeen times?

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Speaker 1: Explain what that means? We look and not to defend

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Speaker 1: the fact facts. I'm not dear lawyers, but are overwork

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Speaker 1: and underpaident. Society doesn't realize how we need to have better, more,

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Speaker 1: better funding for defects. These are the people charged with

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Speaker 1: protecting children from the families they live with, and who

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Speaker 1: wants to do that kind of job. People that have

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Speaker 1: good souls usually are the ones who apply for it,

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Speaker 1: but they just don't have the time of resource. What

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Speaker 1: that means, Nancy, is the state defects has been sent

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Speaker 1: out numerous times because somebody was brave enough to save

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Speaker 1: there's a problem in this house, and one or two

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Speaker 1: times should be enough. But if they've gone seventeen times,

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Speaker 1: you know there are cliches for a reason. Where there's smoke,

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Speaker 1: there's fire. Well, there was a ton of ton a

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Speaker 1: ton of smoke there and it's just a shame that

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Speaker 1: defects didn't take the children out and protect them from

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Speaker 1: this situation. Unfortunate. I think they should all be fired,

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Speaker 1: and I think they should be facing criminal charges for

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Speaker 1: knowingly leaving a child in a home where they're not

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Speaker 1: getting fed, they're being beaten, there's feces and urine everywhere

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Speaker 1: is freezing cold, and that is the tip of the iceberg,

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Speaker 1: the tip of theburg, when right now there is growing anger,

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Speaker 1: growing anger, protests over why this five year old little

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Speaker 1: boy was left with parents in the first place, in

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Speaker 1: a filthy home. We know that his lawyer father, lawyer father,

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Speaker 1: his dad, a lawyer, had his license revoked for a

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Speaker 1: cocaine abuse conviction. Okay, his dad is a lawyer. Don't

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Speaker 1: tell me that he can't make a living and afford

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Speaker 1: to take care of his family, even if he's disbarred.

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Speaker 1: He can work in another capacity. But no, and this

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Speaker 1: is what it has boiled down to, John Limley, is

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Speaker 1: my understanding. A mattress was taken out of the home,

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Speaker 1: a shovel was taken out of the home. That's not good, John, No.

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Speaker 1: A lot of evidence was removed from that home in

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Speaker 1: the years after the investigation began. Also removed from the

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Speaker 1: home the very first day of the investigation was AJ's

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Speaker 1: younger brother as well. And talking of AJ's timeline and

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Speaker 1: his short life, it was a tragic life to be

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Speaker 1: so short. Misery and mistreatment, much of it told in

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Speaker 1: vivid detail, not only in those Defacts records, but also

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Speaker 1: in sixty pages of police reports. Aj, this is a

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Speaker 1: staggering fact, was actually born born with opioids in his system.

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Speaker 1: He was taken into protective custody by Defacts less than

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Speaker 1: a month after he was born, and he spent the

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Speaker 1: first seven months of his life in a foster home

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Speaker 1: before he was finally returned to his mother. Joe and Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: you know, it just breaks my heart. It breaks my

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Speaker 1: heart to you, Mark Class, you know better than anyone,

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Speaker 1: having voted your life to saving children, finding children, what

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Speaker 1: this child lived through the hell he and his little

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Speaker 1: brother endured. And now Mark, I'm looking at video pictures

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Speaker 1: of his little body wrapped in plastic being loaded into

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Speaker 1: a minivan to take to the Morgue for processing. I'm

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Speaker 1: almost speakuous at this point, Nancy, because that little boy

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Speaker 1: deserved a good life and his parents should have provided it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's been said many times. You need you

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Speaker 1: need a license to fish, you need a license to drive,

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Speaker 1: but you don't need a license to have children. And

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Speaker 1: some people just shouldn't have children because mother is seven

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Speaker 1: months pregnant right now. I understand that defies logic as

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Speaker 1: to why somebody would keep having babies from they don't

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Speaker 1: even like them. And now now his body's being processed

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Speaker 1: at the Morgue. We wait as justice unfolds crime stories.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,