1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: To Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: je Edge. 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of two Teas in 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: And Dolores Catana. Teddy, I had so much fun. I 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: don't think I've laughed harder since the last time I 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: spoke to you. But I'm not going to laugh this time. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: Have anxiety this time. 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: I have anxiety. What the fuck? Like I want to 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: take a shot. I don't drink. I feel like I 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: want to take a shot of something. When he's going 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: on here? What an episode? Yeah, it was a lot. 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: It was a lot. The entire thing. 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: There wasn't even a moment of reprieve, not for a second. No, 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: not even for a second. Just to give a little 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: life update to you, guys, I had my immune therapy 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: yesterday and they did my scans and at this point 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: there is no detectable answer. Why. 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh I'm so Teddy. Stop it. 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I still need to stay on immune therapy 21 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 2: for another year, and I'm not considered. 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: Carry on after this sucked the episode? Oh, Teddy, I 23 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: know so. I wish I could hug you. I love you. 24 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for telling me that. Of course I took 25 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: my breath away. 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: I and then when they told me, I was in 27 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: such shock. I was like numb. 28 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: So I'm still gonna be having days when I'm feeling 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: sick and stuff because i still am in immune therapy. 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: So I'm still fighting because you have to be. It's 32 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: the way they said it works. It's like a year 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: than two years. Then at three years you're allowed to 34 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: be considered in remission and remission. So but that was 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: huge news. 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: You did it, girl. You didn't. You didn't give up 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: one day. You fought harder than anybody I know. So wow, 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: that's such good news. I'm so happy. 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: Thank you. So all the tumors continued to shrink and everything. 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 2: So it's it's been good. It's a good day. 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: God is good. 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: It's a good day until we have to recapital Housewives 43 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: of Orange County Away. 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: Do we really have to money up this news? Just 45 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: fucking call it a day right now. Nothing good is 46 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: coming out of this episode. 47 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well it starts out a couple of 48 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: days after Temecula. Shannon texted Tamar that she was thinking 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: about me, and she also sent treatment programs for cancer. 50 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: Tamra thought maybe it was an olive branch Do you 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: think it was an olive branch or do you think 52 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: it was just her being nice? 53 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: I think it was just her being nice. 54 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it was an olive branch. I 56 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: don't see any type of her wanting to be fair. 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: I just don't see it. 58 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: I'm not seeing any branches of any sort really from 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: anybody here. Nobody here was holding any wood. 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: No, No, it was it was something. It was a 61 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: way to get something to you that she wanted you 62 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: to have. Yeah, it wasn't. Hey, Tamra, hope you're doing well. 63 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: Can you you know I was thinking about Teddy it 64 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: was right. I mean, you know you've been on my mind. 65 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Would you mind please sending this a Teddy? It was 66 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: nothing about Tamara. It was all about you and olive branches. Hey, 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well. 68 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: I know you've been going through a hard time. I've 69 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: been thinking about you and so. 70 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: And then say that yeah, nope, nope, not having it. No, 71 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. Do with the kids saying 72 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: do they know yet? 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: The kids are like, well, mainly it's just slate that 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: really understands. Yeah, but it's kind of, you know, been 75 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 2: good and bad because her nationals are this week in Washington, 76 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: d C. And I couldn't go, you know, because people think, 77 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: just because you know the cancer is gone, that I 78 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: can't still get sick or whatever. But it's I'm still 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: in treatment, so I still have a compromised immune system, 80 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: so I have to still be careful. How long is 81 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: the treatment for the treatment? They said, you know, another 82 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: couple of years. 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: All right, So if anybody can do that, you can. Yeah, 84 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: you'll get through it. More things you'll get through it. 85 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: I'll get through it. Then Tama tells Eddie she is 86 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: not happy with Heather. She feels Heather doesn't take doesn't 87 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: take sides and should stick up for her. Do you 88 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: feel Heather is a good friend to Tamara? So I 89 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: think that she has been a good friend to Tamara. However, 90 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: if I had to just only see this episode, I 91 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: would say this wasn't the greatest friend episode. If I 92 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: was judging it on just this episode, I'd say. 93 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: No, Yeah, But I would also say that this kind 94 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: of feels like Tama was taking it out on who 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: she was closest with. Which is what we tend to do. 96 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: We all tend to do it. Yeah, but she was 97 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: mad at Heather in a previous episode. 98 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: Also, and Heather, I was mad at her in a 99 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: previous episode. 100 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I think as friends. I don't see 101 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: them breaking up, I see, but I do see them 102 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 1: having going through a hard time in a relationship right now. Yeah. 103 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see an end to this. I mean, 104 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: I don't see like, oh, this is like they're dumb. 105 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't either. And I think they're 106 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: going to start getting closer again too, if. 107 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: This season is over. They need a break. 108 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: I think once they get on the trip. I think 109 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: once they get on the trip, once there's no more 110 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: I'm quitting. Once there's no more Muddy Waters, I think 111 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: they're going to start bonding again. 112 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: They will. I think that their past relationship was strong 113 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: enough to get them through this. This is just a 114 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: bump in the road. 115 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Then Shannon tells Heather that her name came up 116 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: into Mecula on the trip, and Gina said she didn't 117 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: see Heather as a comedian or doing improv. Heather is 118 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: hurt by not feeling supported. I so what why can't 119 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: they just be supportive of something that she's doing. 120 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: Well, they can be, but they're not. They're caddy women 121 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: for Caddie, and they're being Caddie to her. And I 122 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: don't think that she should be that upset, especially from 123 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: where it's coming from. 124 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: But I think I would probably be upset about something 125 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: like that. I think it would probably hurt my feelings 126 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: if I'm like, if I told you tomorrow, I'm going 127 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: to start taking dance classes, but that stated laughing at me. 128 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's me, right, And I have to say, 129 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: like Gina wouldn't nobody would like it if it was 130 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: done to them. However, I'm so cynical. I'm such a 131 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: cynical that I expect that, Like, I wouldn't be like, 132 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so shocked they said that about me, 133 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: you know. 134 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: But could you imagine what Gina would have thought if 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: she said that about her real estate career. 136 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: Oh, she would have not liked it the way the 137 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: same way Heather didn't like it. But you know, I 138 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: hope Heather now shows them up and shows them how 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: wrong they are. 140 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: Well, the way that she did her sing moan sex thing, 141 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: I'd say that improv classes are working. Sure, can you 142 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: do a sex mon? Laugh? 143 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: Can you No, I'm trying to think, work on it. 144 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: No, I've seen a very good ones sex and moan 145 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: all I could. 146 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: I can't do all three. 147 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: I know. 148 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: You're asking. I'm like, that's a triple thread. I cannot. 149 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 1: What am I ventriloquis to. 150 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: You're like, hold on, how am I supposed to do 151 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: any of this? 152 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: This is so stupid? I know. 153 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: Then this next part made me nervous, also gave me anxiety. 154 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: Jen takes her son to go get a tattoo. Jen's 155 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: ex husband sat their kids down and told okay before okay. 156 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: The entire scene was scary to watch, but Jen talks 157 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: about how their ex husband sat them down and told 158 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: Ryan as the one who took their mom. However, now 159 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: they like Ryan and they feel like he's a supportive guy, 160 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 2: which from what we've seen, he is a good stepdad 161 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: to them or future stepdad he is. 162 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: And she's crazy for him. She is wild about this guy. 163 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: Like I mean, I'm happy that she could feel that 164 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: way about someone good for her. But I felt bad 165 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: for the kids because I thought I give them credit 166 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: for standing their own ground on how they made their 167 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: own opinion about Ryan. 168 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he earned it. 169 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: He said they were like, listen, we found out for 170 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: our elves. And Ryan said in the beginning, which is 171 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: very big of him, I'll I'll earn their them and 172 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: and I'll work on having them like me. And you know, 173 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: for me, it means a lot. When somebody's good to 174 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: the kids, That says a lot about who he is, 175 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: regardless of whatever else may be going on there. You know, 176 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: it's a lot for for somebody in that position to 177 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: put anything on the kids. So I just I felt 178 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: bad because them saying that. I hope they didn't feel guilty. 179 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: And I hope their dad didn't get mad at them 180 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: by the nice things they said about Ryan. 181 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: I hope so too. I hope. 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: So I was thinking that, I was like, fuck, it's 183 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: gonna bust. 184 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: Their balls when I know, what is he going to say? 185 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: What is he going to think? 186 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: But you know, if he said that in the beginning, 187 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: is probably going to say something to them for saying 188 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: nice things about I just hope he doesn't. They're nice, 189 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: they seem like nice men. 190 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: Well, it really made me my heart race when he's 191 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: getting the tattoo. I mean, it was so scary to watch. 192 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: When he starts to like seize doings up fainting, and 193 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: that happens when people faint, and I forget that it 194 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: makes me. It made me very nervous. She of course 195 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: got nervous, and I hate for him to go to 196 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: boot camp at the Marine Corps. I have family. My 197 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: brother's a marine, my father's a marine. I tried to 198 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: join the Marines. My parents wouldn't let me because I'm 199 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: a girl. But they're gonna bust his chops when he 200 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: gets there. From this scene, if they know anything about this, 201 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: I feel bad for this guy. 202 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: How would you feel about getting tattoos and taking them? 203 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: I don't about my kids getting tattoos, Yeah, and bringing 204 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: them for it. I don't do that. 205 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think you would. 206 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: I saw my daughter had a bird tattoo on her ankle, 207 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: almost punched her teeth in. 208 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm like I thought, feeling he wouldn't be the mom 209 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: to take somebody to get a tattoo. 210 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: No, anyway, my son would pass out, just like he did. 211 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: My son's in finance. He's not even going into the Marines, 212 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: and he passes out when he gets shots. I'm not 213 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: taking him definitely. My daughter had to do it behind 214 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: my back. 215 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it was a surprise. 216 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: I was like, what's what's that? And and I was like, 217 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: don't act, don't don't do it, do not do it. 218 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: Well. I had a friend and right when we graduated 219 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: high school, she got a tattoo on her on her butt, 220 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: and her mom came in and saw it, and so 221 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: she went in to go get it taken out. But 222 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: they were like, oh, we can't laser it off. So 223 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: the mom goes, okay, then just cut it out. 224 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: Did they Oh my. 225 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: Holy shit, we can't laser it off. Okay, then you 226 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: can just cut it off. Good mom, cut it off. 227 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: Good woman. She was not getting around. That is sosay, Derek. 228 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: I know, beyond Emily's really in the mix here, Emily 229 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: tells Tamar that she was surprised by what Gretchen was 230 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: saying because it was not on brand with how she 231 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: likes to portray herself with the Christian behavior. Emily says 232 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: in La her Enslade had a prayer moment before getting 233 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: in the car, and Tarama says, she's hiding behind Jesus 234 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: Jesus curtain. 235 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Do I think that? I mean, I don't know a 236 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: lot about Gretchen. To be honest with you. 237 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: The only thing I know about Gretchen is things that 238 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: have happened over ten years ago, right, because she's just 239 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: coming back after right, But she's come back and she's 240 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: only brought back the past. 241 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I know a lot of 242 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: people Christian, Catholic, all all different religions, and you know 243 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: people that go as far as to have a prayer 244 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: before they get in the car, which is beautiful, a 245 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: family prayer. Kind of don't go on like that. Like 246 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: Amy van Horne. Her husband used to be a basketball player. 247 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: She was a Catholic from Utah, right, And they came 248 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: because he was playing for somebody in the area. He 249 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: was on a professional basketball team. And she was standing 250 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: outside the school and her daughter came out and said, Mama, 251 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: this boy's picking on me and instead of me like 252 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: me coming from Patterson, going to confront his mother and 253 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, tripping the kid when he comes out of school, 254 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: the animal that I was back then, Amy van Horn said, 255 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: the Christian person she is will pray for him that 256 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: he has a better day. I don't see that in Gretchen. 257 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: I learned a lot from Amy van Horn and if 258 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: she ever hears this, thank you for that. I don't 259 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: see a lot of that in Gretchen. 260 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: So whatever, it seems like she has so much like 261 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: residual anger. 262 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: He does, which is the core to the religion she's 263 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: weeks is about forgiveness. 264 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, which it makes it hard for me to like, 265 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: it makes it hard for me to believe. One, it's 266 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: hard for me to believe her in general, because we 267 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: didn't talk about this last week because we weren't on together. 268 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: But the fact that she's gone back and forth on 269 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: all the things that she said, Like she said, you know, 270 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: I didn't bring up the guy, but she did bring 271 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: up the guy. It wasn't just Slade. She brought it 272 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: up in the car. Then she says I didn't go 273 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: to the hospital, but then she said she did go 274 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: to the hospital. Like it's just so repetitive on her 275 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: going back and forth. And I'm like, do you either 276 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: A have a terrible memory or B you're just an asshole. 277 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: When you're telling the truth, you don't have to remember anything, right, 278 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: that's true. So that's very true. But but their story 279 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: doesn't change when it's the truth. 280 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty easy to remember when it's the truth. 281 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: And I you know, I'm not anyone to speak on 282 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: what's in somebody's heart or what they believe in or 283 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: what their religion is. I'm not speaking on her behalf 284 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: on that. I'm not doing it at all, not saying 285 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: she's not a good Christian. I'm not saying Emily saying 286 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: what I see. 287 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 288 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: No. 289 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: Then Emily says during the game at Heather's sleepover, she 290 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: and Heather both picked Tamara when they asked who they 291 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: trust the least. She worries if Tamara gets mad, she 292 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: will look something up. Emily tells Tama she can't have 293 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: clean hands all the time and make everyone else the villain. 294 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen worse timing in my life. Like, hey, Tamara, 295 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: party looks great, by the way, everybody. Before everybody gets here. 296 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to let you know that we trust I said, yeah, 297 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: we trust you the least, and even your best friend 298 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: on this show at this moment said the same thing. 299 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: So what I want to say to that is, first 300 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: of all, that's Tarmar's house is beauty fall so nice. 301 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: The party looked amazing, Tama looked adorable in her skirt, 302 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: and it was looked like a very cheerful, happy party 303 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: to be had. I feel like because the timing was 304 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: so bad that Emily just wanted to get the fuck over. 305 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: She just wanted to get it done with immediately. 306 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, she ripped off the band aid. 307 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: She's like, I don't, I gotta just I got to 308 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: do this. 309 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: I gotta drink my poison because I got to tell her, 310 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: and I want to get it over with right now. 311 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: And it was so weird because she's standing there, the 312 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: poor cake lady with her gluten free cake. She wanted 313 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 1: to probably shove her face in the bowl. I'm an 314 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: anxiety eater. I would have been like. It just made 315 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: a tense to the rest of the evening. Could we 316 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 1: not have actually gotten on with the party and maybe 317 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: had this pow wow outside around the fire. 318 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 2: Pit after the cake sort of done? 319 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: Or yeah, to some extent, let's see the cake. Why 320 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: does it have to be right on? Like, let's just 321 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: make this an awkward party, an awkward moment. And it 322 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: was awkward because you know what, you should have left 323 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: after you said that, because now Tarma runs out of 324 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: the room. You shouldn't. She's like this isn't my house. 325 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to do right now, Like, couldn't 326 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: we have at least got it go in, at least 327 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: got the project going. It puts Tarma on defense at 328 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: her own house. 329 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it puts her completely on the defense. She's now 330 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 2: going to have to have a conversation with Heather. And 331 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: it kind of felt like a pileon. 332 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: It did, And that's why I feel like I would 333 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: have liked to had the mood of the party get 334 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: going a little bit. But I really I don't know 335 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: if Emily was told to do that or Emily decided, 336 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: like I got to get this over with because I'm 337 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: shitting my pants that I have to tell Tama this. 338 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: But she could have just told Tamar about herself. Why 339 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: did she have to also tell her about what Heather 340 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: said because she wanted to come camera, I know, But 341 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: if she was just coming on how she felt. 342 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, and then Tamra runs out, that's 343 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: one oh one. She can't keep running out of these scenes. No, 344 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to see it anymore. She has to stop. 345 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: She's been around long enough. She can stand her ground 346 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: and she could fight, and she could go against anybody 347 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: She's ran out of every single fight. I know she 348 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot left in her There's a lot 349 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: going on in her life at the time, as who 350 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: knows better than you what it is. But she can't 351 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: keep running out. No, No one likes to see. 352 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: That because then she runs out, and then they are 353 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 2: all sitting around awkwardly not having the conversations that they 354 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: need to ultimately have. 355 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: You know, grown women, grown women can't keep running out 356 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: of fights. No, And unfortunately, I think Tamra would agree 357 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: with that. 358 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think probably watching it, this was probably a 359 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: very hard episode to watch back. 360 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so was last week and the week before. 361 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 362 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: I saw this with Portia this year too, coming back 363 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: after being gone for so long. She ran out of 364 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: a lot of fights, and towards the end she stopped. 365 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: Somebody must have had a talk with her, like enough, 366 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: yeah enough. 367 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: Well, Tamra says she talked to the wife of the 368 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: artist she allegedly slept with, and the wife gave Tamara 369 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: a screenshot that said, Jen PEDRONTI just followed her husband. 370 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: Do you think I'm confused? Teddy? Can you explain what 371 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: this means? 372 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: Okay? 373 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: Well, not like Tamra bringing out something that like they 374 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: were just accusing her of this, and then this is 375 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: bad timing too. 376 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think what happened was so Jin, 377 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 2: here's the story. It's not bleeped out in real life. 378 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: So she knows the actual name of the person Jen, 379 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: here's the story, and then immediately goes and follows this 380 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: guy on social media. 381 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: Oh, why do I think in my head she's following 382 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: him in a car? Why did I what's wrong with me? No, 383 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: she is actually wrong. 384 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: No, she follows him on social media and then Tamara 385 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 2: has the proof. 386 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: I just go back to eight okay, which ends. 387 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: Up irritating me later when Jin just can't be like, yeah, 388 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: I followed him, because I want to know everything that 389 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: goes down. 390 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: One thing. Get, I've seen Tamara actually own most of what. 391 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: She's like, yeah I did, Yeah, I did it. Does 392 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: she do like, don't make me look get an asshole? Here? 393 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: Does she always take accountability? You can't always agree what 394 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: she does, but you can't agree that she she owns it. 395 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like, yeah, I printed it out. I don't remember. 396 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: I wouldn't remember, so I wanted to remember. This was 397 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 2: at five thirty three pm. 398 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: I have a bad shorts her memory. Yeah, I'm printed 399 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: it out and I made a poster board. I'm going 400 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: to bring it to the reunion in a envelope in 401 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: case I forgot, I'll I'll have a couple of copies 402 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: in case I lose one. So what does Jen say. 403 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: She can't say, she can't deny it. 404 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: She pretty much was just like, well, I didn't know 405 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: who it was, and I wanted to just like a 406 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: wormy response. But she hasn't even confronted her yet because 407 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: first Tama brings up that Heather believes Gretchen's lies, and 408 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: Heather says, Gretchen believes what she says when she speaks, 409 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: it is her truth. Can we talk about her truth 410 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 2: in general? When people say you're truth? 411 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: I can tell you what I think it is. Go 412 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: ahead in my thing, what my definition of her truth is, 413 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: what in her mind she thought really happened, which I 414 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: just said about Gerty in the last episode where she 415 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: looked at everybody saying, no one stuck up from me. 416 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: And then they showed a clip that Gertie asked to 417 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: show where people were saying it was wrong. Yeah, at 418 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: the table, but in her mind when all that was 419 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: going on, she had tunnel vision and didn't see anybody 420 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: sticking up for her. 421 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: Okay, when someone says my truth, they are usually referring 422 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: to their personal beliefs, opinions, and perceptions, which are based 423 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: on their own experiences and perspective, even if those views 424 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: are not objectively or universally true. 425 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: Correct. 426 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's the doesn't mean it's true. Doesn't 427 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: mean it's true. So I don't want to hear your truth. 428 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: Your brain plays tricks on you all the time. We 429 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: can all be guilty of remembering how something happened, or 430 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: you could just be a flat out liar. 431 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, what about just saying the truth? 432 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: About just saying how about just owning it? How about 433 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: just saying that's what I did. I followed the guy 434 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: because I wanted information about you. That's what I did. 435 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: Grant it's not going to look the best, but whatever. 436 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: But then Tama tells everybody she spoke with Katie and 437 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: is planning to meet with her. Something in her gut 438 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: tells her that Gretchen told Katie that Tama drugged her 439 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: and went to the hospital. Emily now says she is 440 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: hurt that Tama's meeting up with her. How do you 441 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: feel about Emily being upset at Tama for meeting with Katie. 442 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't think Emily should be upset with Tama. I 443 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: think Tamara needs disclosure and needs to know this, And 444 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with Emily's meeting Emily. I mean, 445 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: she's not meeting Katie to become friends with her. She's 446 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: not meeting Katie to go against Emily or find something 447 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: out about Emily. She's meeting her for herself and something 448 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: that she needs to know for sure. 449 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: I mean, Tamar made an excellent point and that when 450 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: they were all fine to sit around with Gretchen who 451 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: was saying Tama drugged her and also that Tamar had 452 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: an affair. But she can't meet with Katie. 453 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm so like not into that, Like I'm 454 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: not buying that she can meet with Katie as she 455 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: did yesterday and posted huh. 456 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: I didn't even see that then, So much for that. 457 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: And anyway, you guys all don't what he's all worried about. 458 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 1: So what if she meets with Katie and then Katie 459 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: turns on her, that's on her. Yeah, he do you 460 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: care if she wants to meet. 461 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: She wants more information because clearly Gretcher's which clearly Gretcher's 462 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: isn't being honest. 463 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not one person there that would not do 464 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: that for their own information. 465 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 466 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: Sorry, And I feel like, how come I didn't ask 467 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Tamra if Katie told her what she needed to know? Fuck, 468 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: you'll get the information. 469 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: I'll get it. I'll get it for us. 470 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: Then will you text me or can tem? Can someone 471 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: tell me? Was it at a productive lunch? That's all 472 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: I want to know? She got a hammer? She did 473 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: she get? Was it worth the abuse that she took going? However, 474 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: Tamora should sit there and say, none of you fucking 475 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: guys trust me anyway? So what do I have to 476 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: lose your friend? 477 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 478 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: Because when you're my friend, there is no more I'm 479 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: nothing offends me more than you telling me you don't 480 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: trust me. Then somebody does that doesn't trust me. I'm 481 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: offended because guess what if you're accusing me of that, 482 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't trust you. 483 00:26:48,760 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: Right. Then, tamar tells Heather that this is the last 484 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: time she will film after what Heather did to her. 485 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: Tamra says, Emily told her Heather doesn't trust her. Heather 486 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: says she is hurt by her She brings up the 487 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: ground links conversation, and she brings up the comments about 488 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: her dad, the about how yeah, and how that's what 489 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: she was meaning. Do you believe that I believe that 490 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: Heather was trying to share a moment with Tama about 491 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: her family and how she's affected and as much as 492 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: I hate to use the word triggered by certain responses, Yes, 493 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: but I don't know that I necessarily believe she would 494 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 2: have said that Tamar's the person she trusts the least 495 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: if Tamar what had been sitting there. 496 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: She said it pretty freely. Yeah, she didn't hesitate, she 497 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: didn't say, oh jeez, let me think about it. She 498 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: just I knew. I I think I don't. I don't 499 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: find a lot of things Heather did so really horrible 500 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: this season, And you couldn't agree. Yeah, I think I 501 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: think Tamora is very sensitive and I felt like I 502 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: think she felt she was on an island by herself. 503 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: I think Heather tried at times to really be there 504 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: for her. But this whole thing rub me the wrong way. Yeah. 505 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: I didn't like it either. I did not like it 506 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: one bet, and I felt like it was mean. It 507 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: was me. 508 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: You know my import. What I would have said to 509 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: everybody there is you know what, I love all you girls, 510 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: but there isn't one here sitting here that I would 511 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: actually want to share my deepest darkness with, because at 512 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: some point you're probably going to turn on me. If 513 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: I piss you off, you'll anybody will probably bring it up, 514 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: and everybody has shown to do that. 515 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an easy way to answer that question 516 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: without singling out one person. 517 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: There was a diplomatic way correct and if somebody cared 518 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: enough to give it some thought. I think she was 519 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the truth. I think she 520 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: was mad at Tamora when she said that. Yeah, I 521 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: think she's holding some grudges for her yelling at her. 522 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: And you know, yeah, because I think because I do 523 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: think Tamara and Heather are close. 524 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: They are close, and I think that I think that 525 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: Heather is holding some resentment towards Tamra and that's why 526 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: she said it so easily. She might believe it and 527 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: she might mean it. I could be wrong, but I 528 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: think that Heather finds other ways to answer things without 529 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: giving actual answer, and I think she could have done 530 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: it here too. 531 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, she could have actually done it a lot differently, 532 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: because I think it just started the whole evening off 533 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: wrong and made everything This is a hard episode for 534 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: us to even talk about, guys, and we love to talk. 535 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm told you. I didn't. I'm so happy to 536 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: see you. I was not interested in talking about this 537 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: episode right now, and we started off with the best 538 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: news ever, So how bad could it be from here? 539 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: After hearing that you're okay, everything else is very trivial 540 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: to me. 541 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you. Then Gina and Heather sit 542 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: down to continue their conversation. Heather wants to be surrounded 543 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: by people who emotionally support her and thought that that 544 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: was Gina. Gina apologizes. I will say Gina going up 545 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: against Heather and making Heather work a little for her 546 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: check this season, even though Heather did have a right 547 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: to be upset. 548 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you why Gina got so offended, 549 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: Because Gina was like, why do you so? Why is 550 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: it when I do it it's so bad? Why do 551 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: you come hard on me when everybody else sitting there 552 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: was saying it and she's not wrong, but she was. 553 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: The one kind of saying it the most. 554 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: She was she's like, I don't think she's funny. I 555 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: just don't think who thinks she's funny? Like I don't 556 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: think she's funny. Like that's what Gina was saying. 557 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, uhh, but she does know that 558 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: she was like a sitcom actor and she knew those things, 559 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: and if she wants to better herself and she wants 560 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: to go in and do something new, like there could 561 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: have been a bet they could have made one little 562 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: comment like, oh, that's interesting. Never thought she was that funny, 563 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: But I. 564 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: Can't believe it. Hey, listen, Yeah, yeah, I think anybody 565 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: who's smart and witty could be a comedian. I think 566 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: you have to have a brain, which I think Heather has. 567 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: She could be witty, and I think that it'll be 568 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: just fine. I mean, she's been in the game a while. 569 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: We forget because she's on the Housewife. She did do 570 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: this stuff. 571 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she did have to audition to get into 572 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: the Groundlings exactly, so it's not like they just let 573 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: anybody in. 574 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: So you know what, Heather, I'm going to let you 575 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: know that I will come to one of your shows 576 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: when you become a comedian. 577 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: Only one haha. 578 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: Well, I've never gone to see Lawan's show. There's a 579 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: few shows I've never gone to see. But I am 580 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: going to go out on the limb, Heather and tell 581 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: you that I will even fly to come see you. 582 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. I love it. 583 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: Only if you make up with Tamra, because I'm not 584 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: getting Tamra madt me. 585 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't. Nobody wants that. Then Tama brings 586 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: up the screenshots to the group. Jen initially denies following 587 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: him for nefarious reasons, but in her confessional she says 588 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 2: she was hoping the guy would say something once he 589 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: saw Jen follow him. The fact that Jen tried to 590 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: make an issue out of the screenshot being printed and 591 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: waiting until her talking head to admit she wanted info 592 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: like your mask is slipping gen like Jen, Jen Jen. 593 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that Jen can handle being a housewife, 594 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: a well rounded housewife, like she could handle getting like 595 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: piled up on. But I don't know that she could. 596 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: She's tough enough to come back because she doesn't handle 597 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: it well, do you know what I'm saying? 598 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: Well, because she just doesn't in the moment, she doesn't 599 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: fight back, right, she. 600 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: Doesn't fight back in the moment, and then when she 601 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: goes and tries to do something, it just she looks bad. 602 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she can't handle it. 603 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: She can't handle it. 604 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: She can't. 605 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: You're not a fighter, Jen, so just be what you are, yeah, 606 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: just right, Yeah, or just to say like, yeah, that's 607 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: what I did. I did it. 608 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: I did do it, and I wanted to see why. 609 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to stalk him. But you can stock somebody 610 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 2: without following them. 611 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: And anyway, duh, get a fucking fensta. 612 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but you don't even need that. It's 613 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: not like he's private. He's a public figure, so you 614 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 2: can just go on his page and look, what did 615 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: he think? She was like she was hoping he was 616 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 2: going to reach out to her. 617 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me reach out to you about something. 618 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: You know. 619 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 2: Ridiculous. 620 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous nonsense that I don't want any part 621 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: of gossip. 622 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 2: Like what, there's no sense. 623 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying. It's like amateur moves. Don't be 624 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: something you're not. Don't try to be it's not gonna work. 625 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 2: Then we watch a lot of awkward cake making, which 626 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: I was surprised by. Some How some of the cakes 627 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 2: turned out looking so good. 628 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: I know, I you know, that's a really a little 629 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: thing I would have enjoyed. That's why I was mad 630 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: that she had a ruin And when she walked in Emily, 631 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: couldn't we get the cake shit going? 632 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: Get the cake shit going? Then fight outside later with 633 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 2: some champs. Thank you, that's what. 634 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: We need over whose cake was better? Let's start with 635 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: that fight and then digress onto the real problems. 636 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need all that. Then Tamar starts crying 637 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 2: to Heather about how Heather can't trust her, and Heather 638 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 2: feels like Tamar gets angry when she talks about her feelings, 639 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 2: and then Tamar says she's dealing with a difficult thing 640 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: and Heather is not helping. Heather says they should talk 641 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 2: about it at another time, and Tamar says, have a 642 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: great season, walks off upstairs. Tam no more walking off 643 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 2: and quit, No more. 644 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: That's it, you know, Tamra, This isn't This isn't how 645 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: we do things. This isn't how we get things done. 646 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 2: No. So, so, all in all, what do we even 647 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: have to say about this episode? It sucked, Yeah, it 648 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: really sucks. 649 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't really have a lot to say except that. 650 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: No, this was a painful episode to reach. 651 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: Oh everything about it sucked, the poor kid going to 652 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: the Marines, fainting when he's getting insane, like we can't. 653 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 2: It was at one moment where I was like, ooh, 654 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 2: this makes me so happy. The entire thing sucked. 655 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: It sucked. It just everything about it really just. 656 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: I mean even Emily's son thought it sucked because they 657 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: didn't deliver as cheese pizza. They gave him pepperoni. He 658 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: thought it sucked too. 659 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: He agreed. 660 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, so, you know, to say about it, we 661 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: thought it felt that. 662 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: I hope the next episode you could. You're only as 663 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: good as your last episode, so we have some more 664 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: to go before the reunion. The union hasn't filmed yet, 665 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens, but we need some redemption 666 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: from this episode. Hate to tell you. 667 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, we do. We do. Thanks guys for 668 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 2: tuning in to another episode of to Teas in a Pod. 669 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 2: We appreciate you, guys, We appreciate you. 670 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: Thank you