1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On Politics, Policy and Perspective from DC's top names. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: The filibuster gets in the way. It's like voting rights. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: It should be we find an exception for this. Republicans 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: cannot both be loyal to Donald Trump and loyal to 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: the Constitution. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court ended its landmark term today with a 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: blow to the Biden Administration's climate agenda, limiting how much 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: the President can do through that e p A and 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: putting his climate goals in jeopardy. But the Court also 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: delivered Biden a win, ending the practice of having immigrants 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: week in Mexico for their cases to go through US 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: immigration courts. Plus President Biden changes course on the filibuster 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: in light of the abortion ruling from last week. I'm 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: Emily Wilkins filling it in for Joe Matthew on Sound On. 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Hopefully Joe is having a drink on a beach somewhere. 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: Joining me this hour is going to be Congresswoman Sarah Jacobs, 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: like California Democrat and Bloomberg own Gregg Store, our scotus quarterback, 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: who has been working so hard today to cover everything 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: from the court. President Joe Biden has long backed that 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: sixty vote threshold in the Senate, that filibuster that legislation 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: must clear before it can actually get a vote on 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: from the Senate. Biden, he's old school, who was Senator 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: Biden long before he was president or viet But today 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: he took as itself in a new direction, announcing that 25 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: he was for abolishing the filibuster to put abortion rights 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: into national law, to codify Roe v. Wade, which was 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: overturned last week. Here is what he said today in Madrid. 28 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: We have to codify Roe v. Wade in the law, 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: and the way to do that is to make sure 30 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: the Congress votes to do that. And if the filibuster 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: gets in a way it's like voting rights, it should 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: be we provide an exception for this. Joining me now 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: to discuss this as Congresswoman Sarah Jacobs, Democrat from Santiago, 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: who at thirty three years old, is not only one 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: of the youngest lawmakers in Congress, but has never lived 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: in the US without the abortion rights ro v. Wade 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: in place. Congresswoman, thank you so much for joining me today. 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: I just wanted to start off by getting your reaction 39 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: to Biden's announcement today. You were one of a hundred 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: fourteen Democrats who signed a letter last month urging UH 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,559 Speaker 1: Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer to get rid of the filipbuster. 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: What's your take right now on where this debate stands. Look, 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm glad that President Biden has said that because I 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: think it's long overdue. I think it is uh like 45 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: incredibly uh harmful that we have colleagues who are putting 46 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: an arcane rule that's not even in the Constitution above 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: our fundamental rights. And frankly, as a Californian, you know, 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: I think it's important to say the Senate is already 49 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: anti small d democratic, where a state of four million 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: people who has the same representation as states with many 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: many fewer. I think forty six senators represent the same 52 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: amount of people as our two uh and so uh 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, adding a six you vote threshold above that 54 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: already anti democratic structure is incredibly harmful for our country 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: and doesn't reflect the will of the people. Congressman, you're 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: a freshman member of Congress um but very much in 57 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: the mix. How have you seen your party's stand on 58 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: the filibuster change in just the last two years, And 59 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: do you think we can actually get to a place 60 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: where the filibuster will be overturned because we we still 61 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: do have some holdouts in the Senate, we still have 62 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: Senator Joe Mansion, Senor Kursten Cinema. When do we get 63 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: to a point where overturning the filibuster could actually be 64 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: a possibility. Look, I think we saw just a few 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: months ago on the voting rights legislation that we had 66 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: forty eight Democratic Senators vote to overturn the filibuster for 67 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: the purpose of passing voting rights legislation that would have 68 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: been unheard of even a few years before that. And 69 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: I think it's clear that more and more people are 70 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: seeing that our system and our structures aren't working to 71 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: deliver for the challenges that we're facing right now, and 72 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: it's clear we need to do things differently. I also 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: wanted to get a little bit to the rulings today, 74 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: and I wanted to start with the one limiting what 75 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: Biden can do through the e p A. Does this 76 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: put more pressure on Congress now to find a way 77 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: to get some of Biden's other climate related policies passed? Absolutely? 78 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: In fact, I think one of the real lessons of 79 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: the spate of Supreme Court decisions that have come out 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: is that basically what what we've done is because Congress 81 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: has been so dysfunctional and hasn't been able to get 82 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: things done, we've relied on the courts for our rights. 83 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: We've relied on executive rulemaking executive orders to get things 84 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: done on climate change, on so much else. And the 85 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court is really saying, Congress, you're the ones who 86 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: make laws. If you want laws to be in place, 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: you have to make them. And so I think it 88 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: is incumbent upon us in Congress to do our jobs 89 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: to codify these rights into law, to pass something on 90 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: climate change so that we can address it with the 91 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: urgency that it requires. It's time for Congress to step 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: up and not let the dysfunction of Congress be papered 93 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: over by the Supreme Court and the executive branch anymore. 94 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: I know one of the ways that climate legislation could 95 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: potentially pass is through reconciliation. That process, I think a 96 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: lot of people associate the build back better with it, 97 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: But there is a different legislation that's taking shape that 98 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: has some similar components right now in the Senate, and 99 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: I know that's a major piece of legislation that that 100 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: you've been supportive. I know that you're also supportive of 101 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: a competition bill the us UH that would help the 102 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: US be more competitive with China. You're on a group 103 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: that is working on that. I a Senator Mitch McConnell um, 104 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: the Republican head of the Senate, just tweeted recently saying 105 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: that either Democrats can if Democrats continue you with reconciliation, 106 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: that he's no longer he's going to take the other 107 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: major bill, the US China competition Bill, off the table, 108 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to get your reaction to that. 109 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, what needs to happen in 110 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: terms of legislation past and is there a way for 111 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: Democrats to get both a climate based reconciliation and a 112 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: US competitive manufacturing bill done. Look, I think it's really 113 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: shameful that McConnell has linked to One of the few 114 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: areas of bipartisan agreement in Congress is that we need 115 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: to do more to improve our competitiveness against China, and 116 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: that involves UH making investments in our domestic competitiveness, our 117 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: domestic innovation, and that's exactly what the Competes Act would 118 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: be able to do, and we are working on negotiating 119 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: some of the disagreements within it um but overall I 120 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: think it is um incredibly harmful that Mitch McConnell is 121 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: willing to put our national security at risk because he 122 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: doesn't like that Democrats won the election and are going 123 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: to be able to pass something that is so important 124 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: for the future of our energy and our economy and frankly, 125 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: to make sure there's a livapool world. And I do 126 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: want to hone in for a minute on that US 127 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: competitiveness legislation. I think a lot of our listeners one 128 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: thing they often hear when we discuss this bill is 129 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: the semiconductors. The fifty two billion dollars for semiconductors, help 130 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: with some of those supply chain backlogs, help with a 131 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: number of businesses auto manufacturing, tech companies. But there's more 132 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: to that in this legislation. And I know Congresswoman you 133 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: are particularly focused on some of the foreign policy, foreign 134 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: affairs aspects of it. Can you just give us a 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: sense right now how negotiations are going on that is 136 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: there a sense at this point for things that will 137 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: definitely be in this legislation or definitely not in this legislation. Yeah. 138 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm on the Foreign Affairs part of the 139 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: of the negotiating committee, and I think one of the 140 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: things we recognizes that US leadership in global forums is 141 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: going to be really important. UM. And look, there's a 142 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: lot we need to do to be able to win 143 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: this era of competition UM. And includes making sure our 144 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: diplomats and our development actors have the tools they need 145 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to how we engage with other countries. UM. 146 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is, if we want 147 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: a world where we're focused on, uh, the US being 148 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: able to build international coalitions, which is really one of 149 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the things that gives us our strength in our national security, 150 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: as we've seen in Ukraine, and then we need to 151 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: make sure that we are fully committing to those values 152 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: and to the rules of the rules based order. And 153 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: so one of the things I'm really pushing right now 154 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: is to make sure that this bill UM gives us 155 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: the tools we need to be leaders at at the 156 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: u N and in other global forums. UM. You know, 157 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: the US does not fully pay our peacekeeping dues. We 158 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: have a cap on how much we can pay to 159 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: to UN peacekeeping and that's been really harmful because China 160 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: has actually used that to call us an unreliable partner. 161 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: And we've actually already started to see developing countries who 162 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: UM typically would vote with US at the u N 163 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: and another forum starting to align their votes more with 164 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: China as a result of this. So there's still some 165 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: things we're negotiating, including that piece of it, UM, But 166 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: on the whole, I think we all agree it's important 167 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: that we are investing in our leadership around the world. Absolutely. 168 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: And Congressman, I did want to jump topics for a 169 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: minute because I know that you've got this really interesting 170 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: piece of legislation out there that touches on abortion and 171 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: abortion rights, particularly technology UM and women who will use 172 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: apps to either track their cycles, track reproductive data UM. 173 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: And I know that there's been a concern since role 174 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: was overturned about what that data could could do. And 175 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: can you talk to me a little bit about your 176 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: legislation and what you're expecting. Is this something that we're 177 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: going to see get a vote on when Congress returns 178 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: in mid July. Yeah, So what my legislation will do 179 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: is that any reproductive or sexual health data from apps 180 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: from website, searches, from anything. UM that companies can only 181 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: collect and retain strictly what they need to provide the service. 182 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: They cannot sell it, They can only share it with 183 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: my express written consent. UM. The FTC would enforce it. 184 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: But if I feel like the FTC isn't doing a 185 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: good enough job, or if for instance, it's a Republican 186 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: administration who maybe is not faithfully implementing this law, UM, 187 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: I would have a private right of action to do 188 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: about my data being misused, and I could ask for 189 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: my data to be deleted at any time. And this 190 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: is incredibly important because as we're talking about all the 191 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: very many things we need to do around data privacy. UM, 192 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: there's some specific needs we have around reproductive and sexual 193 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: health data for this moment, especially to protect people in 194 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: states where abortion is going to be criminalized. UH. And 195 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: so UM, you know, making sure we're doing what we 196 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: need you in Congress on this issue is a priority 197 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: a Speaker Pelosi. She put it out as one of 198 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: the three top priorities we're going to be working on 199 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: when we get back. Uh. And I'm feeling hopeful that 200 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: that our bill will be coming for a vote soon. Congress, 201 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: when we've got thirty seconds left by one to ask, 202 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: should do we all need to delete our period tracking apps? 203 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: Should we just get them off our phones right now 204 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: until this bill is passed? Um, there are some companies 205 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: that are, you know, talking about their privacy policy. So 206 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: if it's a service that's very useful for you, I 207 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: would say, find the one that you'll be most protected. Uh, 208 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: if you live in a in a state where abortion 209 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: is going to be criminalized and you feel like you 210 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: might need one soon, I would say deleting it is 211 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: import good information. Congressman Sarah Jacobs, We're going to have 212 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: to leave it there. Thank you so much for joining 213 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: us on sound On. Up next we assemble the panel. 214 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Is there anyway for the filibuster to be overturned? I'm 215 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: Emily Wilkins. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On 216 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg. Welcome back to sound On. 217 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew is sitting somewhere on a beach, drinking of 218 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: fear or margarita, hopefully drinking one for me as well. 219 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm only Welkin sitting in for him today and 220 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: joining me. Now is our All Star Panel Bloomberg Politics 221 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: contributors Jennie Chienzano and Rick Davis, thank you both so 222 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: much for taking the time on such a newsy day. 223 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to go first to President Biden's comments saying 224 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: that he would support ending the filibuster only for a 225 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: vote that would codify Roe versus Wade, ensure that there 226 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: are a certain level of abortion rights nationwide. And Rick, 227 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: you know you you you know Senators, you've you've you've 228 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: know how how it goes. What is the reality of 229 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: something like this actually happening because you have so many 230 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: folks who are in the Senate who are very much 231 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: institutionalists who do don't want to see the filibuster go. 232 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: But as Congress, when Jacobs pointed out, you have seen 233 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: that a road um in recent years, and I think 234 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: today with with Biden saying that he'd be open to 235 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: eliminating it, that that that's a that's a huge step. 236 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: It's a big step, and you're right, I mean, it 237 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: enters a whole new equation to the debate around um, 238 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: around the filibuster. I would say that that, you know, 239 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: the reminder that everybody in the Senate has is, you know, 240 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: be careful what you asked for, because, Uh, the last 241 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: time it got monkeyed around with UM, you know, parties 242 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: changed and the leadership shifted to the Republics, and they 243 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: they undid virtually everything that was done by the the 244 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: lack of a filibuster. So when you say, oh, we're 245 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: not going to vote sixty votes anymore, Uh, that means 246 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: it only takes fifty to undo a codification of ROW 247 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: in the next administration and or the next Congress. And 248 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: and I think that is part of what the filibusters 249 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: designed to avoid. UM. Clearly, the President United States today 250 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: did something that his constituency was demanding. Right, he was 251 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: out of the country for the last week doing you know, 252 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: the good work of the president in NATO in Europe 253 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: and and and he hasn't really been at the center 254 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: of this debate around the Supreme Court's decision on ROW. 255 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: And so this is his way to try and put 256 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: some momentum back into that debate. But the reality is 257 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the support of this within his own party, 258 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: So it's really more opinion driving than it is functional. Yeah, Rick, 259 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: you bring up a really good point, And Jennie, I 260 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: want to bring you in here and kind of get 261 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: your thoughts on it. I mean, at this point the 262 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: filibuster is not going to be overturned because Joe Manchin 263 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: and Kirsten Cinema are not on board with that. So Genia, well, 264 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: what do you think is a calculation that Biden made 265 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: today when he made this announcement. I do think the 266 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: Democrats and President Biden in particular, feeling pressure from Democrats 267 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: who want the administration to do more on this really 268 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: momentous decision from the court, and to speak with one voice, 269 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: I hear a lot of frustration amongst Democrats, particularly young people, 270 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: who are feeling like the Democratic Party was not prepared 271 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: for this decision, despite the fact that they knew it 272 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: was coming, and they haven't given proper direction. Other people saying, 273 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: you're telling me to vote again, Well, listen, I voted in, 274 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: voted you in, and you've done nothing. So I think 275 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: they're feeling that pressure. Um, you know, And I also 276 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: think they're asking a fair question. And I think this 277 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: is what we heard from from Congresswoman Jacobs in your 278 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: really good interview, and we heard it from out Alexandrocasio 279 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: Cortez on Twitter as well. Today. They're saying if you 280 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: can carve out to appoint justices to the Supreme Court 281 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: and budget reconciliation. What does it say about our country 282 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: that you can carve out all kinds of things but 283 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: you can't carve out for women's health or the right 284 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: to choose or voting. And so they're feeling, you know, 285 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: asking I think a fair question on that. But of 286 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: course Rick is right. The danger is you carve this 287 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: out Republicans get the Senate, and you're gonna wish if 288 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: you're a Democrat you hadn't carved it out so quickly. 289 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: I want to dig into that a little bit. I mean, 290 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: do you feel like the Biden and innistration was not 291 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: prepared for this rolling to come down? Could they have 292 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: done a better job responding in some ways because we 293 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: all knew this was coming. Yeah, you know, I think 294 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: there is some truth to that. You know, somebody like 295 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: Tina Smith, now arguably you know she has you know, 296 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: a backrood Minnesota, Minnesota exactly, she has a background in 297 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: this area. But she, for instance, was sending out another 298 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: is just an example, lists of resources to people seeking services. 299 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: We've had, you know, sort of a disparate response from 300 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: other governors across the country, including Gavin Newsom, including Kathy Hokel, 301 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: and I think, you know the I wish to an 302 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: a certain extent that, knowing that the Biden administration's hands 303 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: are tied, they had also spoken with one voice about 304 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: what they think they can do. I think the problem 305 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: with President Biden he frequently says there's not a lot 306 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: I can do, and that's a very tough pill to swallow. 307 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: I understand there's some truth to it, but I do 308 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: think there are some things he can do and to 309 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: have you know, send it or is like Warren and 310 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: representatives like Alexander Kasikortest talking about impeachment, talking about using 311 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: of federal lands and those kinds of things. Some Democrats 312 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: on the ground wish they heard that from the higher 313 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: echelons of the party, like the administration. You know, Rick, 314 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: We've got a minute left. But it strikes me that 315 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: in November there's a very real chance that Republicans could 316 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: take the Senate. They could be in charge next year, 317 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: and I'm sure, uh, you know, just seeing how partisan 318 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: our politics are, they will also be under pressure to 319 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: eliminate the filibuster for certain things. Are there mansions and 320 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: cinemas in the Republican Party. And if so, who are 321 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: they sure? I think that they're The reality is it's 322 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: one vote, right, you win one Republican senator in a flip, 323 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: and you've got control of the Senate. That's how tenuous 324 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: this whole debate is around the filibuster. And and of 325 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: course you would have a couple of years in that 326 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: leadership role. So the Murkowski's, the Collins is, the Mitt 327 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Romney's people like that who uh don't want to see 328 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: big policy made around uh the Senate with with bypass 329 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: of the filibuster. And I would say that the issues 330 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: that Jennie was talking about, one of the things they 331 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: have in common is they were they were generally um 332 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: fixes in the system. I mean they were you know, 333 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: votes on Supreme Court nominees and things like that or judges. So, uh, 334 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: this is a policy debate and it'll continue on. Yeah, 335 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: that's a really good point. And I mean, certainly we've 336 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: we've seen how the Supreme Court has been impacted by 337 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: lowering that threshold for the filibuster there and speaking of 338 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court of next we're going to be joined 339 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: by Bloomberg m VP Gregg's Store about the Supreme Court 340 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: moving forward with the decisions today mean. This is Bloomberg 341 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: broadcasting live from our nation's capital, Bloomberg to New York, 342 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg eleven Frio to Boston, Bloomberg one oh six one 343 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: to San Francisco, Bloomberg nine sixty to the Country Serious 344 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: XM General one, and around the globe the Bloomberg Business 345 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: app and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This is Bloomberg Excel 346 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: on with Joe Matthew. It is the final week of June, 347 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: which means the Supreme Court has been dominating the headlines, 348 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: and our Supreme Court reporter Greg Star has been dominating 349 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: the terminal. He's written an exhausting amount today, but instead 350 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: of kicking back and enjoying happy hour, he's with us 351 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: in the studio and we're super excited to have him 352 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: break it all down. Well. President Biden expressed grave concerns 353 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: today about the Supreme Court. Listen to what he said 354 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: this morning, not just about the ruling on Roe v. 355 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: Wade and abortion, but about a number of rulings in 356 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: the past several weeks. The one thing that has been 357 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: destabilizing is the outrageous behavior of the Supreme Court of 358 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: the United States. An over ruling not only Roe v. Wade, 359 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: but essentially challenging the right to privacy. We've been a 360 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: leader in the world in terms of personal rights and 361 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: privacy rights, and it is a mistake in my view 362 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court to do what it did. Greg 363 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: star Bloomberg, Supreme Court Reporter, thank you so much for 364 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: joining me. We're going to get into the meat and potatoes. 365 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: I want your response on what Biden said. But before 366 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: we do, it strikes me that we are halfway through 367 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: the show and we have yet to mention Justice Coltanji 368 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson, the first black woman to sit on the 369 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court sworn in today. Greg, I just want your 370 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: your takeaway. What does what does this mean? What was 371 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: the vibe? What's what's the overall the overall vibe. Well, 372 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 1: it was really an incredible juxtaposition at the Court today. So, 373 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: as you said, historic moment, first black woman ever to 374 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: serve in the Supreme Court getting sworned in, getting sworn in, 375 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: and outside the court, which is surrounded by eight foot 376 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: unscalable fencing. At the very same time, there are hundreds 377 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: of people protesting the decision that overturned Row, many of 378 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: them getting arrested. Uh. You know, both an incredible moment 379 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: for her personally, but undoubtedly not the way she wanted 380 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: to join the High Court. Yeah. It's really one thing 381 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: to have history being made inside the building, when outside 382 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: the building you have a protest that was halted and 383 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: at least a dozen people being arrested because they wound 384 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: up sitting blocking a major road. Um. But greg I 385 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: wanted to go back just for a second now to 386 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: what Biden said, Um, in terms of that the he 387 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: feels the court is now destabilizing, that there's outrageous behavior. 388 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: What's your takeaway from this? Why is Biden saying this? Well, 389 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: it's really a remarkable term. And of course Roe is 390 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: the headliner decision, and they overturned a half century old precedent. 391 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: But in decision after decision, the conservative wing moved very aggressively, 392 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: pushing the legal doctrine on gun rights, on federal administrative power, 393 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: on religion. Um. And this is a court that you know, 394 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna stay conservative for decades, and President Biden 395 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: undoubtedly sees that and and undoubtedly is going to try 396 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: to seize on that as a political issue going forward. 397 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: I really want to get into the two rulings we 398 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: saw today major rulings because they really think a kind 399 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: of touch on what we're seeing right now with the 400 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: sixth three Court want to start with the one dealing 401 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: with the e p A living it's regulatory authority. Greg 402 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: Does this ruling only apply to that one agency or 403 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: could this wind up having a much wider impact. It 404 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: certainly could have a much wider impact. Exactly what that 405 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: will be what kind of remains to be seen both 406 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: in terms of the e p A and other federal agencies. 407 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: What the Court said was for the first time saying 408 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: this explicitly that there's something called the major questions doctrine, 409 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: and when what they said is when there's a really 410 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: big policy issue, we're gonna demand that Congress be explicit 411 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: if it is giving that power to a federal agency. 412 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: And they said that explicit authority wasn't there in the 413 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: case of of what the e p A, what had 414 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: tried to do way back when President Obama was in 415 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: the White House, which that that issue, that Clean Power 416 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: Plan was actually at the at the core of the 417 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: decision today. Did they give any indication of what does 418 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: qualify as major because obviously one of the things these 419 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: agencies are supposed us to do is create regulation. How 420 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: do we know how big and wide spreading this regulation 421 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: needs to be or not be. It's a really good question, 422 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: they said some things, but that's going to have to 423 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: be fleshed out in future cases. One of the arguments 424 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: that Biden administration made that didn't fly with the Court was, Hey, 425 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: this Obama Clean Power Plan, it seemed really big at 426 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: the time, but it turns out it didn't really have 427 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: it would have had that big an effect and never 428 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: went into never went into an effect because they said, basically, 429 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: the industry moved that way anyway, Um, and that should 430 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: be the measure of it, you know, looking at kind 431 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: of you know, looking retrospectively at at what it would 432 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: have done. Supreme Court didn't buy that. Uh, so we're 433 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: gonna have to to see, you know what exactly they're 434 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: using to measure. Uh, you know what is a major 435 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: question that they're not gonna let Congress kind of vaguely authorized. 436 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: Very interesting, and they also did want to touch on 437 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: that remain in Mexico, being that policy being struck down 438 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: by the Court. That one you saw Justices Roberts and 439 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh side with Democrats when you read the ruling, what 440 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: was your takeaway? Why did these two side with the 441 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: three liberals. Well, this was a complicated procedural case where 442 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: it was actually a lower court ordering the Biden Biden 443 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: administration to put back in place this Trump administration asylum policy. 444 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: And the basis for that lower court ruling was the 445 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: court said, federal law requires remain in Mexico, requires the 446 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: administration to send people back to Mexico while they're waiting 447 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: for their asylum hearings. And uh, Roberts and Kavanaugh, along 448 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: with the three three liberals, said that's not how we 449 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: read federal immigration law. Got it, got it, so lots 450 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: lots still impact there. I appreciate you keeping it very concise. 451 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: And today was obviously the last day of the court's terms. 452 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: So take us up to thirty thousand feet here. You 453 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: wrote last year that the six conservative justices were sometimes 454 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: fragmented in a number of their decisions. Are we seeing 455 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: them be anymore in lock step or is there still 456 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: a bit of a wild card in many of these cases. Um, 457 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: I would say they are more in locks up, at 458 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: least on the really big cases. This was a term 459 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: where those really big cases that people are watching, uh 460 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: uniformly or maybe almost uniformly, went against the conservative when 461 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: went in favor of the conservative position. We did see 462 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: in the abortion case, for example, Chief Justice Roberts wouldn't 463 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: go quite as far as is conservative colleagues. He wouldn't 464 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: have overturned Row in that case. But in general, this 465 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: is a court that seems to be getting at sea 466 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: legs and is determined to do uh some some very 467 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: assertive things with with the reading of the Constitution. Greg, 468 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: We've got less than a minute left, and I just 469 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: wanted to ask very quickly. The Court has already begun 470 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: to announce some of the cases that will take up 471 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: next year. What is at least one big case that 472 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: you think is going to be making headlines this time 473 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: next year. Let me give you three or four if 474 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: I can so quickly. I'll cut you off. When I 475 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: need college affirmative action, the Clean Water Act, the Voting 476 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: Rights Act, and when that requires you to create a 477 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: state to create a majority uh black district. Um. The 478 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: Court just announced an the big new election case today 479 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: that it's gonna take It's gonna be a huge term. 480 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: Greg store everyone, our Supreme Court reporter who has dominated 481 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: the terminal today. Please make sure that you log in. 482 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: He's got much more thorough analysis than we were able 483 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: to cover in this ten minutes segment. Greg, thank you 484 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: again so much. In just a minute, we're going to 485 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: reconvene the panel. I'm Emily Wilkins. This is Bloomberg. This 486 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg sound On on Bloomberg Radio. Welcome back to 487 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: sound On. I'm Emily Wilkins, filling in for Joe Matthew 488 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: on the Fastest Hour in Politics. We are going to 489 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: reassemble our panel, Rick Davis, Jeannie chian Zano. We've talked 490 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: a lot today about the Supreme Court, the rulings, both 491 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: the ones today on the e p A and the 492 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: Romaine in Mexico policy. We've also spoken a little bit 493 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: about the overturneing of Roe versus Wade. We've the Court 494 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: has also just made some major legislation on religion. They've 495 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 1: made major decisions on concealed carry. And so now I 496 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: get to ask my all time favorite question, Genie, how 497 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: does this all impact the upcoming midterm elections? Boy, Emily, 498 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: thanks for coming to me on that. What a big question. Um, 499 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, there's so many ways in which it can 500 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: potentially I think, you know, an honest answer to this 501 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: is we don't know yet, but there is We're starting 502 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: to see the contours of what may take place. But 503 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: as we always have to say, five months, four or 504 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: five months is a long time we have so that's 505 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: no fun. Look into your crystal, boss, I'm going to 506 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 1: do that now. After all my caveats. Um. You know, 507 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: we have seen enthusiasm go up amongst Democrats. That was 508 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: a key problem for them prior to these rulings, and 509 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: so they may level out the enthusiasm. It may help 510 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: them in he Senate states. Key states were Senate seats 511 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: were up, like New Hampshire, Nevada, Arizona, UM. So they 512 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: may have some help there. My thinking at this point 513 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: is it doesn't change the House that much. Republicans still 514 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: take that maybe just by you know, sort of a 515 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: lesser margin than they otherwise might have. But I do 516 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: think it may mean that the Senate is in play. 517 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: But I think the real action is at the state 518 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: and local level, and a lot of governors races to 519 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: watch Pennsylvania, Michigan and others, because of course, at this 520 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: point it's the states that have the power when it 521 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: comes to determining the right to choose or you know, 522 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: limiting a woman's right to choose guns and everything else 523 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: you laid out absolutely, And of course, going into the 524 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: mix with all of that is the fact that inflation 525 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: is still very much a factor that those going to 526 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: the grocery store and the gas pump are contending with 527 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: higher prices. And we actually heard Biden today, Uh, he's 528 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: not he's not making any promises of for people who 529 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: are hoping to fill their cars tank up anytime soon. 530 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he said on gas prices. 531 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: As long as it takes so Russia cannot in fact 532 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: defeat Ukraine and move beyond Ukraine. This is a critical, 533 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: critical position for the world. And that's was a Biden 534 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: saying that you know, as long as this is going on, 535 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: the US is going to be supporting Ukraine, and that 536 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: is going to impact the fact that you have gas 537 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: prices be higher than than what we have seen. And 538 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Rick Davis going to come to you on this one. 539 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, with with inflation kind of being at 540 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: the top of lots of voters minds, is that impacted 541 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: at all by some of these other Supreme Court rulings 542 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: that have that have come out or is inflation still 543 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: going to dominate the day? Yeah, Emily, I think, you know, 544 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head. I think that up 545 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: until this point in time, this entire election is being 546 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: defined by inflation in the various secondary effects on the 547 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: economy and people's pocketbooks. That has been the number one 548 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: issue for some time, and this administration, like today's Biden comments, 549 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: doesn't really have a plan for it. Right. They're not 550 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: even making promises anymore that they're going to try and 551 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: bring out gas prices or food or whatnot, and so um, 552 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: it's almost like they've abdicated the issue to the Federal 553 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: Reserve and there's you know, a limit to what they 554 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: can do, and they're not playing politics. So I think 555 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: that that the table is set for a pretty big 556 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: Republican year because voters have a lot of anxiety and 557 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: that's not usually good for an incumbent UH and voters 558 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: are angry over the current state of the economy, and 559 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: that is usually a record for an elyxir for change, 560 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: and that change means voting out Democrats in the House 561 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: and the Senate. Although I would say, you know, so 562 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: many Senate races are kind of interesting, And Jennie mentioned 563 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania race. You know, you've got a Democrat right 564 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: now who's you know, double digits ahead of the Republican 565 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: in that Senate race. And that's to hold the two 566 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: Mey seat, which if we lose the two Mey seat 567 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's, you know, gonna be a 568 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: lot harder to win that Senate. Actually, this almost accused 569 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: us up perfectly, uh for Pat to me who was 570 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: on bounce of power today. But just before we get 571 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: to what he said, because it's very interesting, Rick, I 572 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: just wanted to loop back real quick with you. If 573 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm a Republican hitting the campaign trail running for office, 574 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: of course I'm going to call out the Biden administration 575 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: for having such high gas prices. But do Republicans also 576 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: need to offer some sort of solution or is it 577 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: just enough to kind of say, hey, Democrats are in charge, 578 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: gas prices are high, you should vote me in November. Yeah, Now, Emily, 579 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: it's not fair. You know, when your party out of power, 580 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: you get to just attack the party in power, and 581 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: and and and and people are voting up or down 582 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: on whether or not Democrats should be in the power 583 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: position again, and and and and then the onus would 584 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: be on Republicans to come up with some of these solutions. 585 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like the dog bites the 586 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: car wheel and now what is he gonna do? Um, 587 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: that will be a problem for four, But that's not 588 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: this year's problem, got it? And certainly of Genie mentioned 589 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: earlier that you know, Democrats they are hoping to mobilize 590 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: turnout talking about abortion, talking about gun rights, talking about 591 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: some of these other issues that the Court has really 592 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: put into the spotlight. But another aspect that Democrats are 593 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: hoping will come up on the campaign trail is January six, 594 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: particularly with those January six hearings and the powerful testimony 595 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: we heard this week from former White House aid Cassidy Hutchinson. 596 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's David Weston this is when we're tiring it back 597 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: to Pat Tuney. He spoke with Republican Senator Pat Touney 598 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 1: today and do we had some very interesting thoughts on 599 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: how these hearings are going to impact Let's give a 600 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: listen to that. I think he disqualified himself from serving 601 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: in public office by virtue of his post election behavior, 602 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: especially leading right up to January six, I think the 603 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: revelations from this committee um make his path to even 604 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: the Republican nomination much more tenuous. And so, Rick Davis, 605 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean you were just mentioning and and here we 606 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: have a senator to me, uh, saying that he thinks 607 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: that could really hurt Trump's chances, even though Trump so 608 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: far has improved almost to be untouchable. Rick, do you 609 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: think these January six serians are going to have any 610 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: impact on how the Republican Republicans view Trump? First, I 611 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: gotta say to me, needs to be on a radio show. 612 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: That guy's got a great radio voice. Um, but he 613 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: is welcome on sound on any time time. Right. I 614 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,239 Speaker 1: think he's terrific um. And and and look, I mean 615 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: I think he's as a retiring centator has some license 616 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: to speak his mind. And in this case, I think 617 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: he's actually echoing a lot of Republican views, including Republicans 618 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: I know who served in the Trump administration, and that 619 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: is that the conduct that's now been reported is a 620 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: disqualification for any future office. And that's gonna be a 621 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: hard one to shake for this present. You see him 622 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: fighting back now. But I think you know the question 623 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: I would ask is whether or not this is to 624 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: actually help Liz Cheney. She is in a fight of 625 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: her life, you know, and she's behind in her home 626 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: state for reelection. Uh, and she's making some direct hits 627 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: on Donald Trump that are having a massive impact on Trump. 628 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: But is it helping her? And and that's we're going 629 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: to find out pretty soon on that. Yeah, I think 630 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: believe that primary is mid August. You've got almost the 631 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: entire Republican establishment in Washington. Uh. I'm thinking in the 632 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: House and thinking of Republican leader Kevin McCarthy really stacked 633 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: up and supporting her opponent in this one, which is 634 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: its very rare to see in that case. Um, Janie, 635 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: I did want to go back to you though for 636 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: a minute, for these January six hearings. I mean, is 637 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: this something that is also going to be used to 638 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: really help make sure that Democrats get their base out 639 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: and get to the ballot box. Are Democrats being successful 640 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: in this in this initiative or are people still having 641 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: a hard time kind of connecting the dots between what 642 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: happened on January six and what's going on in their 643 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: own life. You know, I think the January six Committee 644 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: has done a really good job of telling the story 645 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: so far. I think they have to be commended these 646 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: you watch a committee hearing is much more than I do. Emily, 647 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: you know how boring they can be. They have made 648 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: these you know, must watch TV and radio and everything else, 649 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: so they have done a very very good job. I 650 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: am not convinced this will be a way to get 651 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: the vote out, but I don't even think that's the 652 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: really important part. I think they have made the case 653 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: and continue to make the case that our democracy was 654 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: at stake and is at stake. And you know, as 655 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: as I listened to Pat Toomey and appreciate his comments, 656 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: we need to hear more of that, not just by 657 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: Republicans who are retiring, who are leaving Congress and public life, 658 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: but those in there like Liz Cheney have got to 659 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: have the courage to come out and say the election 660 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: was not stolen and what happened in and around January 661 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: six was something that, to Pat Toomey's point, does make 662 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump unfit to serve office. You know, when that happens, 663 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: I think they will have succeeded um. But you know, 664 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: in terms of getting Democrats out, I don't think this 665 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: is going to be the big issue that gets them 666 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: out Democrats who are listening to this and Democrats who 667 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: are frustrated they already you know, are not going to 668 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: be out to vote for Donald Trump. Anyways. I did 669 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: also want to very quickly touch on it because we 670 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: kind of alluded to it during the show. Biden was 671 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: in Madrid today. He's been at this NATO conference and 672 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: they've talked about a number of things about China, about Russia, 673 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: about Ukraine, and Rick, I just wanted to ask you 674 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: very quickly, and Jeannie got the broad question at the start, 675 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: so you'll get the broad question at the end. How 676 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: did Biden do with at NATO. Yeah, I think Biden 677 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: did really well at NATO. I think he got a 678 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: lot accomplished. Uh. It was a bad NATO summit for 679 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin, and that makes me happy because we got 680 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: the basic ascension of Finland and Sweden into NATO. That 681 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: is huge. I mean, on its own, it is going 682 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: to define the war in Ukraine against Russia as a 683 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: monumental success. He was he continues to rivet the world's 684 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: attention to this problem, and I think that's what the 685 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: Ukrainians want. They need attention absolutely, and they certainly got 686 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: it this week. Rick Davis, Jennie Chanzano, thank you so 687 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: much for joining us today and thinks as well. To 688 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Sarah Jacobs and Greg Store, Bloomberg's Supreme Court reporter. 689 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: This is Emily Wilkins filling in for Joe Matthew. I 690 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: will be gone tomorrow. Jack Fitzpatrick will be joining you. 691 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: Make sure to tune in. This is Bloomberg