1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. We'll settle on a poll question, got our 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: play of the day? A couple of stats of the 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: day coming up, and we'll check in with Chris Simms 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: NBC Sports and Football Night in America. Steeler sack Baker 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Mayfield nine times, most sacks in a game by a 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh defense since two thousand and one. T J. Watt 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: may have wrapped up the defensive Player of the Year 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: with his performance last night with three sacks. We're going 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: to talk about how we're looking at these records. Seventeen 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: games for Cooper Cup, seventeen for t J. Watt may 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: break the sack record Cooper Cup with what he's doing 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: receiving wise, we'll talk about that coming up here in 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: a moment. Here is Baker Mayfield last night with a 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: reporter talking about him playing through Payne. Are you glad 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: that they didn't pull you out of there, just, you know, 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: for safety reasons. Are you glad you had a chance 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: to try to pull it out in the air. Yeah, 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to win him. Extremely competitive guy. I 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: think you guys know that. Now it's time for me 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: to start You know, looking at what's in the best 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: interest for me and my health. You know, I've continued 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: to lay it out on the line when I haven't 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: been healthy and tried to fight for our guys. Right now, 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm pretty damn beat up, to be honest with you, 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: There's no way around it. I gave it everything I 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: had to night. Yeah, I think he's trying to leverage this. 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm playing through pain, and I can admire it. But 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: also as a coaching staff, I have to look at 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: what's smart for our team and smart for Baker Mayfield. 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: Like bigger pictures, smaller picture here, And that's what I 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: found really curious there. You know, has Baker helped them 33 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: by being in the lineup. No, he hasn't. And while 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: I want these guys to want to play play through pain. 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Always felt like Steve McNair was always hurt, but never 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: hurt enough that it would really hurt his performance. Here, 37 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger same way. I always felt like there was something 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: that was nicked up on him, but he was still 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: able to play. Baker needs surgery on his non throwing shoulder. 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, I just would have shut him down a 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. You know, you just I didn't 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: understand it. Let's bring in Chris Simms Football Night in 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: America Pro Football Talk Live co host with Mike Florio. 44 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: Where do you stand with this situation as the Browns 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: move forward? Well, you know, I know we've talked about 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: it in the past. I'm one, you know, right off 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: the bat. As far as, like you know, Baker Mayfield, 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: I think you make good points. You know, it is 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: up to the organization, the head coach to evaluate it 50 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: for you know, what is best for our football team. 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: And yeah, injuries all missed a week of practice because 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: of COVID. Maybe that's not when you play the guy. 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: You're right, Oh, that's right. He threw four interceptions in 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: that game, you know. I mean, so your point is 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: real there, there's no doubt about it. As far as 56 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and the Browns and whole situation going forward, 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we talked about this maybe about 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: a month ago. I mean, I expect Baker Mayfield to 59 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: be back. But like the red carpet or they you know, 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: the Rose parade or the honeymoon, it's over. We're at 61 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: that point here now. Officially, there's no doubt whether they 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: want to make it more of a competition between case 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: Keenum or bringing another QB to have them there as 64 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: a backup plan. But I don't think we're gonna see 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield long term extension. No way, There's no way 66 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: I would do that. If I'm the Cleveland Browns. They 67 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: exercise their right to get the fifth year option, and 68 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: they gotta continue to evaluate this as they go forward. 69 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: But but do you pull the band aid now, though, Chris, 70 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: because this is still a really talented team. Let's say 71 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's in play in Cleveland. Let's say Russell Wilson's 72 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: in play. Let's say Jimmy Garoppolo, let's say Aaron Rodgers. Like, 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you're the Browns, I think you got 74 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: to look at big picture instead of going, well, we 75 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: don't want Baker long term. But at eighteen million dollars 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: next year, that's not bad for a starting quarterback. And 77 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: then at what point are you saying we're wasting another 78 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: season or does it become a distraction for the Browns 79 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: in Baker Mayfield with that contract extension next year? Well, 80 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: I you know, again, if you have the chance to 81 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: get a Watson or Wilson or somebody like that, then fine, 82 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: then okay, maybe I would think about like you're talking 83 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: about ripping the band aid off and going, okay, these 84 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: are proven entities. We know what they are. We're not 85 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: exactly sure of what Baker Mayfield is now. I'm not 86 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: gonna throw it, but but you better have somebody like that, 87 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: I guess, is what I would say, at least in 88 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: my opinion. I'm not saying I'm right, but we have 89 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: seen enough spurts through Baker Mayfield's career to know there 90 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: is some talent and he can do some good things 91 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: on the football field. We saw that at the end 92 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty season. You know, they had the 93 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: Chiefs on their heels in the playoff game. He played 94 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: very good down the stretch last year, so there is 95 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: at least some evidence to go, hey, wait, he can 96 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: make some game changing plays and throws and lead our team. 97 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: There's some things that like there. I'm not trading him 98 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: away for Jimmy Garoppolo. No, I'm definitely not. I'm gonna 99 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: play the angle of there's still more potential in Baker 100 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: Mayfield's ultimate talent than a guy like Jimmy Garoppolo. But again, 101 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you just throw him overboard 102 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: for anybody. There's issues there in Cleveland. You know, the 103 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: guy's doing the telecast last night explained it. I think 104 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways too. You know, what was 105 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: the approach to that football game? What the hell was 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: going on there? Baker Mayfield was beat up, no doubt 107 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: about it. They obviously couldn't protect him. You know, Stefanski 108 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: one of the I was one of those that was 109 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: not a huge fan of the hire in Cleveland because 110 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: I've always been underwhelmed by the passing offense of the 111 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: Stefanski scheme. That's what I've never and I look at 112 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: that and go, okay, you know, the talent's okay in 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: the passing game, but the scheme is underwhelming to me, 114 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: and it's a little predictable. So I do give Baker 115 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: Mayfield a little bit of the benefit of that too. 116 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: But there's gonna be some tough decisions that have to 117 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: be made there in Cleveland because as you know, as 118 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: we all know, it's one of the most disappointing stories 119 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: or teams in football this year. Would you rather have 120 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: Jalen hurtz Er Baker Mayfield? Oh, well, you gotta have 121 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: a if you're gonna go Jalen Hurts, right, And I 122 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: was I and you know I took l with the 123 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts thing before the year. I didn't make him 124 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: one of my top forty quarterbacks. You know. Now at 125 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: that time, I kind of was more evaluating, as they're 126 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: gonna try to make him a drop back quarterback and 127 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: make him you know, Philip Rivers and the Los Angeles 128 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Chargers system. You know. But I've certainly have been proven 129 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: wrong and and and where I'm wrong is they went 130 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: all in on you know, he's a better runner than 131 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: I thought he was. And of course they have a 132 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: great offensive line, so they're playing a different style of football. 133 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: You have to be committed to play a certain style 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: of football. I think with you have Jalen Hurts, it 135 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: is gonna be a Lamar Jackson type offense. You're not 136 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: gonna get surgical like precision drop back passing and a 137 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be capable of going thirty for thirty 138 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: five for three hundred and forty yards from Jalen Hurts. 139 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: So that's where it's different. You got to figure out 140 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: what kind of offense you're gonna run That's why it's 141 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: a tough one. Dan traditional offense. I want Baker Mayfield. 142 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna go all in on the all running game 143 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: and all that. Then yes, I'll go Jalen Hurts. There, 144 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: we're talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co 145 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: host and also contributor to Sunday Night Football. All Right, 146 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers moving forward, you don't have Chris Godwin, 147 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: you don't have Antonio Brown. Defense hasn't played up to 148 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: its standards that we saw in this Super Bowl. Leonard 149 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: Fournette's been out. You still have Tom Brady. Yeah, what 150 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: do you think the playoff future of the Buccaneers is? Well, 151 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: it's scary right now. It is. And again, they're a 152 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: beautifully constructed football team. But I don't even know, for 153 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: as well constructed as they are, I don't even know 154 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: if they can overcome this amount of injuries and go 155 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: for a Super Bowl run. So I do think like 156 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: the threshold of injuries has hit a point where I go, oh, 157 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: it makes me look at them as a different football team. 158 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: You know, Shaq Barrett Jpp not in there. Lavante David, 159 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, secondary been banged up, have issues there. You 160 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: mentioned all the guys on the offensive side of the ball, 161 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: so at full strength or close to full strength. I 162 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: certainly still think they're one of the best teams in 163 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: the NFC, but they need to kind of see how 164 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: these next two weeks go as far as the health 165 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: of their football team and where they can get by 166 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: wild card weekend. I think that would make me dictate that. 167 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: But like, I'm definitely a little concerned right now, Dan, 168 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. Where maybe four weeks ago, 169 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: but I got ah, I'm okay, they're gonna they're gonna 170 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: make a run and get this together. They're kind of 171 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: just sleepwalking right now. They know what they're capable of. 172 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: They'll step on the gas pedal right now. I'm kind 173 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: of like, I'm not sure if they can do this 174 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: with this group of guys. Here. Is Antonio Brown an 175 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: issue or does he have issues because all of a 176 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: sudden Tom Brady says he needs help? Well, did he 177 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: need help just because what happened on Sunday? Or has 178 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: he always needed help? And we keep kind of masking 179 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: the issue here? I think so yes. I mean I 180 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: think he's always needed help. You've kind of always heard 181 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: that from every place he goes, but it just kind 182 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: of gets swiped under the rug and they the next 183 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: team gets him and goes, oh damn. He works hard 184 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: and he's talented. What there was issues at the other place, 185 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: I know, we haven't seen that, you know, And then 186 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: of course that slowly comes about. Oh again, I'm not 187 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: trying to play psychologists here or anything like that, but 188 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: it certainly seems at surface level or what we're seeing 189 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: that there are issues there. And the bucks Field burned. 190 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they just stuck their neck out there for 191 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: a guy who had a fake vaccine card and made 192 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: them a spectacle of the sport for a week and 193 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: how they were going to handle it and put the 194 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: NFL in a tough spot. And then here we go 195 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: and you cause this you know, distraction, disaster, whatever you 196 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: want to call it on I've never seen anything like it. So, 197 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a little bit of boat 198 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: there at play. I guess you know, he does need help. 199 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: Uh it seems like but hey, we we had enough 200 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: evidence to know that this was a possibility with him. 201 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: And when you play with fire, you get burned sometimes, 202 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: and they're they're butts up burned on this one. Yeah, 203 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: it's it's just like you got the chance. Yeah you 204 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: think so, well, I just that that's the meaning the 205 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: million dollar question. You know, we know talent talks in 206 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: the NFL, and a lot of issues get get get 207 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: pushed to the side when a guy can still get 208 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: open or still play at a high level to where 209 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: that I would think the Bucks right now are kind 210 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: of trying to play. They're trying to look if they 211 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: can suspend him without pay or keep him on the roster. 212 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: So a team like the Chiefs or the Rams or 213 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: the Packers don't pick him up and get him for 214 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: a six week you know, clean slate and it ends 215 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: up kicking their button and ends up, you know, kicking 216 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: their button the playoffs or the super I think that's 217 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: what they're probably worried about now. Yeah, I think that 218 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: Tampa that you know, there's salary camp issues, like how 219 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: can they do it that minimizes even further damage and 220 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: doesn't allow him to get out of jail and go 221 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: play for one of these other teams. Do you love 222 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow or do you love Joe Burrow? I love 223 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I love him, I really do. And he's 224 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: gotten better in the things that I questioned about. You know, 225 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: first off, he's the magic man. He just cooled Joe, 226 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him, He's unbelievable. He's the natural. 227 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: He really is the natural at the position. I had 228 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: one question about him coming out in the draft, just 229 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: overall arm strength. You know, that was the one thing 230 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: I went and just went, man, I'm gonna give him 231 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: the edge on Herbert. Herbert has more physical ability. You know, 232 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: Burrow can make all the throws, but you know, I 233 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: wish there was a little bit more power in the arm. 234 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: All he talked about in the offseason was improving his arm, 235 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: proving some mechanics to throw the ball with more power. 236 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: You see that, you know. So he just has everything. 237 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: He's got every club in the bag. He's so cool 238 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: and calm under pressure. He's one of the most slippery 239 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: soobs in football. In the pocket. Work in the pocket. 240 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the Bengals were a dysfunction and 241 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: we're going, man, does Joe Burrow really want to go there? 242 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: And the guy and the player are so awesome in 243 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: both aspects that now we look at the Bengals as 244 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: a different thing. We're going it's the most exciting team 245 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: we've seen in football. They got a bright future and 246 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: that's all because of him. And that's why I love 247 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. If you could start your franchise with one 248 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: quarterback from the two thousand and four draft, Eli Philip 249 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger, knowing what you know, now, yeah, 250 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Big Ben. I am again, I'm 251 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: a I'm a sucker for talent, I guess more than anything. 252 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: I respect the hell out of those other two guys, 253 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: I do, but big Ben, to me, it's just the 254 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: best of the three period. You know, consistently playing at 255 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: a high level. And I think the biggest thing to 256 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Dan that will where I give him the edge is 257 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: just when you know he's capable of carrying the team 258 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: when things aren't great, especially in his prime. I mean 259 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: he had some years there where now they went to 260 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: the super Bowl with like arguably one of the three, 261 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: four or five worst offensive lines in the game and 262 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. That's really rare for that to happen, 263 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: and that's because he was so gifted. You know, he 264 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: his ability to throw with people around him or you know, 265 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: take those little Fred Flintstone steps around the pocket and 266 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: move around and pub and Facon and people hanging on him, 267 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: and he's just I'm still gonna throw it and get 268 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: a first down. That's where I give him a little edge. 269 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: It's a little different because I don't think he was 270 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: necessarily studying the playbook or grinding film. I think he was, 271 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, he's a little bit more like just backyard football. 272 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: But it's also why I love him and I would 273 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: take him over the other two. Packers have many issues. Yes, 274 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: I question, you know, won the defense to a degree. 275 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean, how can you not. I know, let's forget 276 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: the Vikings game last week without Kirk Cousins. You know, 277 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: all the weeks before that, man run game, pass game, 278 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: teams have been having their way with the Packers defense. 279 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: I question the Packer in a year where there's no 280 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: great team in the NFL and it's really going to 281 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: come down to matchups in these playoffs. I just question 282 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: the high end talent of the Packers. I'm one of 283 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: the I think them one of the few out there 284 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: that I just go they're good. I get it. They 285 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers, he's the MVP. But can you really 286 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: get to the Super super Bowl by not messing games 287 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: up execution and just riding Davante Adams and Aaron Rodgers. 288 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: That's where I don't know they're gonna end up playing 289 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: teams in the playoffs. Here. Of course, we're well coached 290 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: and I believe have more talent than them. And that's 291 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: where I'm a little bit, you know, not sure about 292 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: if the Packers can really get to the Super Bowl 293 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: and win the Super Bowl. I think what they do 294 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: well though, is they're mixing in the run a lot 295 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: more and that makes them I love a team that 296 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: gives you that option of running the football. Look back 297 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: on the Buccaneers with Leonard Fournette last year, like he 298 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: was a real difference maker, all of those running backs 299 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: that Brady had when he was in New England. You 300 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: have to have that element there. You can't be one dimensional. 301 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't think. You have to have a defense that 302 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: has the ability to stop you when they need to, 303 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: and I think being able to run the football. And 304 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: I see that with green Bay defense is getting some 305 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: of their star players back. Black Tar, he's coming back. 306 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: You got two running backs with green Bay. You have 307 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: home field advantage, maybe a true home field advantage, And 308 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: you know that's why I like Green Bay. Yeah, yeah, 309 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: I hear you there, and Jail Alexander and him getting 310 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: back will be a huge thing. I mean, if they 311 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: can get him back. I mean, he's one healthy define 312 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: only one of the five best corners in football. Zadarius 313 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: Smith on the defensive side of the ball would be 314 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: another huge edition because again, like I said, I question 315 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: their top end talent and I think your offense running 316 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: game things a real thing. I mean, we've really only 317 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: seen the Chiefs here and the last ten twelve years 318 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: be able to go and win a Super Bowl and 319 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: do that without like a run game. Yeah, they're one 320 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: of the few teams we've seen do that, and that okay, 321 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: but they have, like some others, really really special attributes 322 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: that have helped them overcome that. You're you're right there 323 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: with Green Bay and then with Rogers at the Helm. 324 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: They never waste plays. They're very unbelievable at executing managing 325 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: the football game, and they just don't make mistakes, especially 326 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball, and that's what 327 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: makes them tough to beat. The To your point, Dan, 328 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: thank you, Bud, good to talk to you again. Thank you, Chris. 329 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, be good, have good Tell all those jerks. 330 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: I said hello, hey, jerks, He says hello. Chris Sims, 331 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk Live co host and contributor to Football 332 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: Night in America. He's my Carment. I'm Dan Bayer. We 333 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I Want 334 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Your Flex. Twice a week, every Tuesday and Friday, we 335 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: come up with new episodes to not only look back 336 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: at what happened, what you need to do at that minute, 337 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: and also look ahead of what's coming up in the 338 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: fantasy football world. That's right, Dan. Every week we're gonna 339 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: scour the waiver wire to find the pickups to turbo 340 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: boost your fantasy lineup six starts fantasy football players rankings 341 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: to get you ready to dominate the competition. Listen to 342 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmen and met Dan 343 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: Buyer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, and wherever you 344 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Be sure to catch the live edition 345 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern 346 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, in the iHeartRadio app, 347 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. We're just 348 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: discussing if we want to do powerball? Is that what 349 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: it is? Powerball yeah, yeah, there's two of them random 350 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: powerballs up to like it's like five seventy four or 351 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: something like that, some crazy number. I like, how you 352 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: get to a certain point and then you're going to 353 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: play powerball, Like, at what point do you go? Okay, 354 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: now I'll do powerball like a hundred million. I ain't 355 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: doing it. We got up to a silly No. I 356 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: didn't even know about it. But you guys want to 357 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: go all in five bucks a man five bucks a 358 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: man in advance, Okay, and you have to have cash. 359 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: It can't be one of those where you go, hey, 360 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: I want to be in on this because I always 361 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: hear about those factory workers sometimes where you know, like 362 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: eleven of the twelve put in money and then the 363 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: twelfth goes well. But I was going to yeah, see. 364 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: Now the question is, we have some back room guys 365 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: who are not in. If they put in the money, 366 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: then they can get in. But if they don't put 367 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: in then then they're not in. We don't even just 368 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: like peel off a little no, a share of a 369 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: share of a share? No? Yeah, what if the people 370 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: who are out share a share? That's a great idea 371 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: by Paul. What if I front the guys who are 372 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: going to do that, I'll front their cash, but I 373 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: get half their cash. Oh well that's up to you 374 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: your negotiations agreement with him, all right, but yeah, five 375 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: bucks a man, and it's a half a billion dollars. Yeah, 376 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: a little over five seventy five. Okay, all right, now 377 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: we win. I know one tall, skinny guy who went 378 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: to dart with will be really upset. Oh, that'd be 379 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: awesome and the winner of the Powerball to Dan Patrick 380 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: Show minus McK lovin. Hey, guys, Rick Stroud covers the 381 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: Buccaneers for the Tampa Bay Times. He's got a great gig. 382 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: There's always something going on with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 383 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: and Rick kind enough to join us. Rick, how's morale 384 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: today in Tampa? Um? It's good, I guess. I mean, 385 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 1: unless you're Tom Brady, maybe you're a little depressed. But 386 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, look, overall this, we all kind of knew 387 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: how this would end, right and maybe not ripping your 388 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: clothes off, you know, to your to your waist, but 389 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: we didn't know that at some point Antonio Brown was 390 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: going to have a meltdown and it was sad to 391 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: see on national television. But Um, you know this, this 392 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: seemed to be inevitable to me. I just don't understand 393 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: Tom saying, yes, you need we need to show compassion. 394 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: He needs help. Did he need help prior to what 395 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: happened on Sunday? Rick, We've we've covered we're enablers here. 396 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: Let's not let's not dance around this. We're enablers. You're 397 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. And Tom Brady is the guy 398 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: that stuck his neck out and said, no, I want 399 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: this guy here. I care about him. You know, he's 400 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: coming off the eight game suspension last year. Um, you 401 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: know we heard about anger management and Tony Robbins is 402 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: it a change guy and he moves him into his house. 403 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: So I mean Tom, as much as anybody if he 404 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: was worried about his mental health, I don't think putting 405 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: a guy on a football field, Um, you know is 406 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: the way to do it. He was there because he 407 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: could still make plays and and you know that's the 408 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: only reason. And we're all sort of enablers in that 409 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: in that sense. And you know he's had this pattern 410 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: for the last three or four years. He wears out 411 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: as welcome in Pittsburgh. You know, I'm not loved here, 412 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: I want to go to the Raiders and then I 413 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: get in a fight under my helmet in it. You know. 414 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to go someplace else. And he was 415 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, great last year for for a little while, 416 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: and now we have this situation. So I don't I 417 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: don't know about the mental health aspect of this. I'm 418 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: not I'm not in that field. Um. I just know 419 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of words to describe Antonio Brown, 420 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, and I've heard them all. He's a narcissist, selfish, destructive, um, 421 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, a bully at times. I mean, there's there's 422 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: lots of words to describe him. Uh. And I just 423 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: think that you know, playing him right now, if you're 424 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: truly worried about his mental health, that's that's probably not 425 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: the best place for him to be. I also wonder 426 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: about the strategy when I realized that, you know, you 427 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: had Bruce Arian saying he's not a buccaneer anymore, and 428 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: I went, well, I don't know if he's technically not 429 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: a buccaneer, officially not a buccaneer, but if you're looking 430 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: at salary cap, you're looking at could he potentially play 431 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: for somebody else? In the postseason. So what exactly is 432 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: happening with the Bucaneers and Antonio Brown. Well, they're consulting 433 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: with the National Football League about their options about what 434 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: procedures they can actually use. If it was as simple as, hey, 435 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: we don't want him on our team, we're releasing him, 436 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: that could have happened yesterday and it didn't, okay, And 437 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: I suspect the reason it didn't happen is because because 438 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: we're past the trade deadline, he's subject to waivers and 439 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: he could wind up on a playoff team playing against them. 440 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: And it's kind of ironic, right, you don't want the guy, 441 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: but you don't want him to beat you, So you 442 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: know there's going to be a grievance here. The Bucks 443 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: can feel it. That's why Bruce Arians isn't saying a 444 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: lot about the conversation he had on the sideline. AB's 445 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: camp is saying that he was injured, that he didn't 446 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: want to go back in the game because of his ankle. 447 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: That's not really what Bruce Arians is subscribing to. So, 448 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: but what he did after that fact, the fact that 449 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: he you know, they didn't put him back in the game, 450 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: but his antics on the field, taking off his uniform, 451 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: running through the end zone, leaving the stadium. That's conduct detrimental, okay, 452 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: And I suspect that that's probably where they'll fall. Maybe 453 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: they can put him on some suspended list, maybe not 454 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: pay them. That's up to them. But my guess is 455 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: if they wanted to just get rid of him and 456 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: release him and make him available to the rest of 457 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: the NFL, that would have happened by now. It doesn't 458 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: help his argument when he's dancing in the end zone 459 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: claiming that he has an injured angle. Here Rick, he's 460 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: doing jumping jacks and you know, throwing things to the 461 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: fans and yeah, all of that. And I mean and 462 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: even now right like he's he's still stuck in New 463 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: York for all I know, it's it's it's like home alone. 464 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: They left Kevin or something. You know, he's at the 465 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets game. It's like, you know, I'm not sure 466 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: he's had a change of clothes. I mean, I don't 467 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: know what's going on, but yeah, if he was that injured, 468 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: I'm with you. He seemed to be running pretty well 469 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: up into the point where he didn't go back into 470 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: the game, and it didn't stop him on the way 471 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: out of the stadium. Bigger picture here, the Buccaneers going 472 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: into the postseason last year, they had a ton of momentum, 473 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: they were healthy, everything was you know, ahead of schedule. 474 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: Here handicapped the Buccaneers. Now as they got one more 475 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: regular season game, well, they're pretty handicapped offensively, and now 476 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: they got injuries again on the defense. I mean both 477 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: Jason Pierre, Paul Shack, Barrett, who's a big piece of 478 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: what they do on defense, Lavantake, David. Those two guys, 479 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: Barrett and David will probably come back. But to what 480 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: degree how affected they'll be, we don't know. You know, look, 481 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: I would say this that, and Bruce arians said it. 482 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: As long as you have Tom Brady, he just has 483 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: a way of figuring out the puzzle. Right, They have 484 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: other options. You know, they still have three tight ends. 485 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Bronkowski has played well if he can stay healthy. They've 486 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: got Cam Brait in the red zone. O J. Howard 487 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: we haven't seen most of the season, but we know 488 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: he can be a problem for some teams this. Cyril 489 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: Grayson has been one of the best stories in the NFL. 490 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: Guy that didn't play college football because he ran track 491 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: at LSU now making all these plays. They still have 492 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: Brushard Paret and Scotty Miller. We haven't seen we remember 493 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: the big place he made, so I would not say 494 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: that they don't have any playmakers. Leonard Fournette may come back. 495 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: Let's see if they can get all this together. They're 496 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: continuing to build some momentum, I think, and they've got 497 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks to figure it out. If they 498 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: could get a home game or two again, it would 499 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: not surprise me. If you saw Tom Beck in the 500 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: championship game. It's assumed that he's Brady is back next 501 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: year in Tampa, correct. I guess, I don't know. I mean, 502 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: he's under contract, right, he did this thing, but he 503 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: can get out of it. It's there's not like a 504 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: ton of cap, you know, penalties. If he doesn't play, 505 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: two things will decide it, and one is how does 506 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: he feel healthwise? And he said unless he suffered some injury, 507 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: he thinks he can play till he's fifty. The biggest 508 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: thing is just his family, you know what. And Gizelle 509 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: says every year, if you had enough, and but the 510 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: reality is that he's got three kids now that are 511 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: at the age where they're doing things, you know, outside 512 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: of the home, and they have sacrificed a lot for him. 513 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: But I can't see him more than one more year. Dan. 514 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: I think forty five, for whatever reason, seems to be 515 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: a weird number that's stuck in his head. Does he 516 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: walk away if they win? But he could win three 517 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: in a row and no one's done that. They get 518 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: to the championship and he thinks they can win again 519 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: next year. It's hard, it's hard to really fathom. But 520 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: like I know this about the greatest players in sport, 521 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: they seem to be the ones that don't know when 522 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: to leave the party right, Like the vacuum cleaners are going, 523 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: the lights are on, They're still there, man, They're still 524 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: at the bar. So I don't know what Tom Brady 525 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: will do, but I think he'll be back next year. 526 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: I was on a town hall zoom call with him 527 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: with some other media vibors, and I said to him 528 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: about that moment that I had when I left ESPN, 529 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: and part of the reason was I was going to 530 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: miss out on my kids. You know, I have three 531 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: daughters and my oldest is his son. And my wife said, 532 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: they're going to be all out of the house and 533 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: I was turning fifty and I said to Tom, you know, 534 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: are you worried that you're gonna wake up one day 535 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: and the kids are going to be out of the house? 536 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: And it got him emotional, like he because I think 537 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: it's there. And I think Gizelle is saying a couple 538 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: of years ago about how Tom has had concussions. Nobody 539 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: had ever talked about Tom having concussions. But it feels 540 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: like it's that tug a war there. Of I want 541 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: to continue to play, but then your kids kind of 542 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: go on without you, and then you try to get 543 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: you dive back into their lives, and you could tell 544 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: where he's going to have that tug a war, you know, 545 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: if he decides to play a couple more years. Yeah, 546 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: I think he's having it right now. As a father, 547 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: I understand that. I do think though, you know, at 548 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: least for sit with respect to his oldest son. He 549 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: had him in training camp last year. He's been down 550 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: a number of times for practice. You know, those kids 551 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: are also old enough to appreciate and enjoy his career, 552 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, So I'm not going to say, hey, Dad, 553 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, let's go win another Super Bowl and it's 554 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: okay if you miss all my best ketball games, but 555 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: they know it's at the end two and I think 556 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: they know how much it means to him. He said 557 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: something that when he got the Sports Illustrated Man of 558 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: the Year award that resonated with me. He said, I 559 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: have to be comfortable sitting on the couch watching other 560 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: guys play on a Sunday going, I know I'm better 561 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: than that effort, you know what I mean. And he's 562 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 1: going to be better than three fourths of them at 563 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: age forty five. So that's the toughest thing man is 564 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: that he knows he can still do it. Rick, great 565 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: to talk to you. We'll talk to you soon. Thank 566 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: you again. That's Rick Stroud covers the Buccaneers for the 567 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Times, host of sports Day Tampa Bay podcast 568 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, it just dawned on me. You know, 569 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: we just assumed, well, Brady, you'll be back next year. 570 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: Not even a topic for a guy who's forty four 571 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: years of age. Ben's retiring, Breeze retired, Philip Rivers retired, Brady, Yeah, 572 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: of course he'll continue to play. You want to continue 573 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: to play when you're successful, you're healthy. It's fun. Well, 574 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: he's successful, healthy. Is it still fun with everything that's 575 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: going on? Will it be? They probably are going to 576 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: meet up with the Eagles in the first round of 577 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Now you might say, well, it's the Eagles. 578 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: The Eagles are a tricky team, not a great team, 579 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: not a very good dan Orlovsky said, they are a 580 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: dangerous team, and they're non traditional. And I looked at 581 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: what the Jets did against the Buccaneers. They ran the football. 582 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: The Eagles run the football. I know we're a long 583 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: way away from that. Maybe they match up with somebody else, 584 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: but it's not a given that. We look at Tampa 585 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: Bay and go, yep, I'm just going to rubber stamp 586 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: them into the title game. I would not bet against Brady, 587 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: but I'm certainly leaning towards betting against Tom Brady. Anybody 588 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: want a piece of that, Like in the NFC to 589 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: b yeah, you would take the rest of the NFC. Well, 590 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: I took the Packers to start the year. That's smart. Yeah, yeah, 591 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: stay with the Packers. But I just don't Tampa doesn't 592 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: look formidable. Now, you always have the Tom Brady element there. 593 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: But if I take Brady out of the element, then 594 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna beat Tampa Bay. If the Jets did what 595 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: they're supposed to do. They take Brady out of the 596 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: element and then he can't beat them. And I think 597 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: the Eagles can rush for two hundred yards, control the clock. 598 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: You don't have God. When you don't have Antonio Brown, 599 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: Gronk is hit or miss. You got Evans, Brad, you 600 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: know you're just it's I don't know about Fournette. The defense. 601 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: The defense won the Super Bowl last year, plain and simple. 602 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: The defense did. But are you going to have that defense? 603 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: Are they going to be ready to go on the 604 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: road if you have to go to Greenback? I don't know. 605 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Brady doesn't mind the weather, but I just 606 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: I look at Tampa right now and say it's deeply flawed. 607 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: But then Dallas is flawed. The Rams are flawed, Arizona. 608 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: Green Bay to me is going to be the most 609 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: ready team. You got to buy everybody healthy, defensive players back. 610 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: It just feels like you know they're the team to be. 611 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: And I still think the Chiefs are the team to 612 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: beat me AFC. Yeah, I'm the man. In cast last 613 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: night they were talking Aaron Rodgers about the cold and 614 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: Green Bay and I think eli. I said, you're from California. 615 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,479 Speaker 1: How do you get used to the cold? He goes, 616 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: no, no no, no no, you don't get used to the cold. 617 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: But you're sitting there when it's twelve degrees thinking that 618 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: guy's way colder than I. That team that's coming in 619 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: here is way colder than I am. And mentally it 620 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: makes you think like I'm tougher because these guys are 621 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: in worse shape. When I talked to somebody in Los Angeles, 622 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: they'll go, God, it's cold. I said, oh my god, 623 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: how cold is it's It's like gonna get maybe in 624 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: the lowest sixties. And I go, God, thoughts and prayers, 625 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm there with you. And then they'll go, what, well, 626 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: how cold is it where you are? And I'll go, 627 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: I think it's around thirty one, Oh my god, how 628 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: do you survive? And I go, but I grew up 629 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: in this. I grew up in Ohio. This is this 630 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: is normal. Yeah, point, But there's always someone who lives 631 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: in a colder environment. I had friends whom I had 632 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: relatives live in Minnesota and I lived in Chicago. They're like, 633 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: come on, man, they laugh at people from Chicago playing 634 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: about the cold. Because they live in like Bemidji, Minnesota, 635 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: where that's way up north. Like, that's what drives me nuts. 636 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: It's like, eighteen degrees is still cold. No matter where 637 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: you are, it's still eighteen degrees. Yeah, you know what 638 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: I mean. But but I walked outside today and I go, 639 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: all right, got my attention. Yeah, if somebody, if somebody 640 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: from Los Angeles walked outside, they go, what's happening in 641 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: the world? But oh my golfie jackets, Yes, it's sixty. 642 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: It seems like old guys get used to cold. Well, 643 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: you'll be up in from Mint. You'll see an old 644 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: guy with like a T shirt and overalls on. It's 645 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: four and you always got the guy behind the bar 646 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: in cold weather cities and he's got shorts on just 647 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 1: for some reason. Like yeah, yeah, that was when I 648 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: was a mailman. There was always a contestacy who could 649 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: keep wearing their shorts longest into the year. And there 650 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: was this one dude, Merle, who he was from San Diego. Actually, 651 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: you know what, let me tell you something, all right, 652 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: you do not mess with Merle. But he, uh, he 653 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: would wear all year. He would go straight through and 654 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: he was from San Diego. We're like, dang, dude, my 655 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: nephew lives in North Dakota and he just sends me 656 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: a picture of the temperature. Sometimes what is considered the 657 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: coldest state, like Maine, North Dakota, Minnesota, Ala, Alaska. But 658 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: it is Alaska kind of like grandfathered out because it's 659 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: Alaska and Hawaii. We we grandfathered them out out. Man, 660 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: it feels like it gets cold in like Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, 661 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: when there's nothing around and you know when the wind 662 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: comes through and you know there's no houses, there's no trees, 663 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: there's it's like, man, this is this is cold. When 664 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: when we were in Minnesota for the Super Bowl, this 665 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: is many many many years ago, and I remember going 666 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: outside and it's one of those where I had to 667 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: go outside, but I didn't want to go outside. And 668 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm with some people and you know, I thought, you know, 669 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: I gotta be I gotta show them leadership here and 670 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: your nostrils are freezing. And that's why they have buildings 671 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: connected in Minnesota so you don't have to go outside. 672 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: That's how you know what place is cold where they 673 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: haven't an inside web of always to walk through the 674 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: entire city where you don't ever have to go out 675 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: of the building. Yeah, I went ice fishing. That was 676 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: when I went ice fishing with Chip Low Miller in Minnesota. 677 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: They just call it fishing though, yeah, it's assumed. But 678 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: we went ice fishing and a Chip Low Miller was 679 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: the field goal kicker for the Washington Redskins and he 680 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: was from Minnesota. And I remember going and it was 681 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: unbelievably cold, like where wanted you wanted to cry? Yes, 682 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: hunt was it worth the experience through that? Did you 683 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: have any fun or you? Well? I had to do it. 684 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: It was I was doing a story on Chippahoe Miller. Yeah, 685 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: it was involuntary. Where I go, let's go out today, 686 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: Let's go out and go ice fish picnic. By the way, 687 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: ice fishing that's a big scam because if if you've 688 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: been in the cabins, they got cable, they got heaters, 689 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: they got liquor, they got refrigerators. For some reason, they 690 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: have refrigerators there and then you have just a hole 691 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: in the ice and then you just sit around smoke cigars. 692 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: You can park your truck on the lake, you know, 693 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: Lake Minnetonka. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 694 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 695 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 696 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: Search f SR to listen live or stream us live 697 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: on the Peacock app. I think my wife thought she 698 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: was going to get some quality time tonight with me, 699 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: but that's not going to happen because I have to 700 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: break the news tour. Honey. I'm home, but I'm watching 701 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: the Tax Act Texas Bowl LSU in Kansas State? Adall, 702 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: excuse yep? Who is favored in the Tax Act Texas Bowl, Paulie. 703 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: Let's say you're at the MGM or the big board 704 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: room out in Vegas, Okay, and you're not a lot 705 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: on the screen on a Tuesday night. Yeah, LSU Kansas State? 706 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: Who do you think could be favorite? Kans State seven 707 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: and five, LSU six and six. Tough year? Okay. I 708 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: saw Kansas State play twice, of course you did. I 709 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: saw LSU play twice. I'm gonna say that Kansas State 710 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: is a better football team than LSU. Big favorite. Seven 711 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: points in a bull game? Alrighty y yep, go Wildcats, 712 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: greatest arena on earth, Las Vegas. Thank you for the 713 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: point spread. We might be out there in a couple 714 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: of months us in Vegas. Yeah, well, I know I'm 715 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: saying to me, Oh, I might be out there in 716 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: a couple of months, And like, if you guys want 717 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: to go, how would we do in Vegas? What does 718 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: that mean? Gambling? If we were single? If if late night? Well, no, 719 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: we're not single? Hepathetically no, no, pathetically pathetically? Um I 720 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: would I guess we would do? Okay, you know I 721 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: usually get my damage done early. I'm not a late 722 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: night guy. But if I was single, is that what 723 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: you're saying? Yeah? Yeah, but I um great meals. If 724 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: you go to the sports books and you just bet 725 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: lightly on a couple of games, you have a nice 726 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: fun evening though they're bringing the drinks. Can I do 727 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: five dollars black check tables? Do they have those? Or 728 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: do I have to go off the strip harder to find? Yeah? 729 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,959 Speaker 1: Off off because I do like the five dollar ones. 730 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. It's when it's like twenty five 731 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: or fifty dollars a hand and then I only have 732 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars. Yes, are there gamblers all over the 733 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: country in their cars right now signing at that five dollars? Yeah? Yeah, 734 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: I gamble on other things. I don't need to gamble 735 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: on gambling. Yes, poll, I enjoy roulette because the time 736 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: it takes for the ball to be popping all over 737 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: it's very it's very satisfying. Let's bringin speaking up segue 738 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, Lead content Strategies for the 739 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: Monday Morning Quarterback, joining us on the program before we 740 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: get to Antonio Brown. More interesting quarterbacking situation Cleveland Pittsburgh. 741 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: I think Cleveland because Cleveland, to me, is more indicative 742 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: of where like the quarterbacking dynamic is going across the 743 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: NFL right now. Pittsburgh's, I think, sort of where like 744 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: New England was coming out of twenty nineteen, where Denver 745 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: was coming out of twenty fifteen, where it's you have 746 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: quarterback who's been there forever, who's won Super Bowls, and 747 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: now you got to replace him. And we've seen that 748 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: happen over and over and over again over the history 749 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: of the NFL. What Cleveland's facing, I think is a 750 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: little bit like it's not exact, but it's a little 751 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: bit like what we've talked about before Dan with the 752 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: Rams and the Niners, where like you're happy with your quarterback, 753 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: you can win with your quarterback. You've shown that you 754 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: can get to the playoffs with your quarterback, but is 755 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: that enough? And I think it's sort of the Mahomes 756 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: ization of the NFL where teams are looking at these 757 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: opponents that have Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen and the 758 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: climb up that mountain is steep, And so it's not 759 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: are you asking are we okay with Baker Mayfield. I 760 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: think the Browns are okay with Baker Mayfield. It's more 761 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: how much better do we need to be then Baker 762 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: Mayfield at quarterback to get ourselves in a position to 763 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: contend for championships? And so I think very much that way. 764 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: You look at where the Browns are and it's not 765 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 1: that Baker Mayfield isn't a functional NFL quarterback, it's how 766 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: are we going to compete for the next ten years 767 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes in the AFC with Lamar Jackson and 768 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: AFC with Josh Allen and the AFC with Justin Herbert 769 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,760 Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow and the AFC. And is Baker Mayfield 770 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: good enough to get us there? And I think because 771 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: of the way he's played this year, they're going to 772 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: be exploring outside options. To answer that question, well, I 773 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: think you reported this that Cleveland could be in the 774 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: market for Deshaun Watson. And what I'm wondering this though, 775 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: because maybe the Browns are gonna have to face this dilemma. 776 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: Do we pay him eighteen million dollars which I think 777 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 1: Baker's owed this next year and get through that season 778 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: and run the risk of he might play into a 779 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 1: contract extension. Or do we just rip the band aid 780 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: off and say we're in the market for another quarterback here, 781 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: even though we could get maybe a bargain at eighteen 782 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: million dollars with Baker. Well, one nuance, one nuanced I 783 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: think we have to remember with that is that the 784 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: fifth year options get fully guaranteed. Now in the past, 785 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't. In the past, you were able to cut 786 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 1: the cut your first round pick from four years earlier 787 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: if you got to the end of the fourth year 788 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: and you'd exercise the option. Now you you don't have 789 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: at the same flexibility to do it. So like, but 790 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: I do think like the Browns could probably find a 791 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: trade partner for Baker Mayfield. Like let's say Sean Payton 792 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: still in New Orleans next year. Then you know, I 793 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: think they would be looking at options at quarterback, and 794 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: they loved Sean loved Baker Mayfield coming out in two thousand, 795 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: in two and eighteen, so like would there be a 796 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: home like that for Baker Mayfield? So I do think 797 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: there'll be some options out there for them to move him, Like, yeah, 798 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think to answer the question, Dan, you 799 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: have to look at where their roster is, you know, 800 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: And I look at the roster and they're in position 801 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: to compete for a championship right now. If Deshaun Watson 802 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson are available. Does there 803 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: any guarantee you get a year from now and the 804 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: dynamic is gonna have changed at all? You know, I 805 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 1: think you almost have to take advantage of that sort 806 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: of opportunity, especially when you look at the landscape of 807 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: college football and are you sure that there's going to 808 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,439 Speaker 1: be a great one available to you over the next 809 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: two years? You know, It's just I think you look 810 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: at the Brown situation, you got to say to yourself, 811 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good there's a lot of good 812 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: momentum over the coming off the last two years, despite 813 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: what's happened this year, And I'm not making the playoffs. 814 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 1: The franchise is a good spot. The roster is in 815 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: a good spot you can keep for a championship right now. 816 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: And you know, like that's why I think like they're 817 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: gonna look at it the same way the Rams looked 818 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: at their situation last year, which is, we need to 819 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: strike while the iron's hot. Let's take a look at 820 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: what the options are out there, and the top options 821 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: look like they're gonna be Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson and maybe, 822 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what happens. Aaron Rodgers. I wondered 823 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: about this. I think people speculated when Mike Tomlin was 824 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: fawning all over Aaron Rodgers earlier this year, yep, and 825 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: people wondered, Hey, Aaron Rodgers, Pittsburgh, Mike Tomlin, they're gonna 826 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: need a quarterback there, could you see? I hate to 827 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: do this, but you know, we have to start landing 828 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: the planes here somewhere of where we think these guys 829 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: are going to end up. But let's say Aaron Rodgers 830 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: leaps Green Bay, probably going to be in the AFC. Correct, 831 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: I would say that be the preference. Yeah, if you're 832 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 1: the Packers, would be the preference. Would be to ship 833 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: out of the conference. Okay, would Denver or Pittsburgh make 834 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,919 Speaker 1: more sense for I think Denver Packers, knowing what they're 835 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: going to get, I think Denver would be I think 836 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: Denver would be the biggest player for him. Um, Denver 837 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: is going to have and all like we had a 838 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: higher draft pick, I think Denver would be willing to 839 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: go the extra mile to get him. Denver has some 840 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: some players on the team that you might want, um, 841 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: if you're at Green Bay and you know, I just 842 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: like Denver was on his list last year too, if 843 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: I can, if I remember right, and so I just 844 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things about the way Denver 845 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: set that situation up that are built for a veteran 846 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: quarterback to come in and win. And you know, it's 847 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: the receiver group, a young receiver group. It's not unlike 848 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: what Peyton Manning walked into right in two thousand and 849 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,760 Speaker 1: twelve with Damarius Thomas and Eric Decker and Julius Thomas 850 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: at tight end. They got the same sort of set 851 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: up there with Jerry Judy and kJ Hamler and Courton 852 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: to Portland Sutton and Tim Patrick. Um. So you got that, 853 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: do I ensor in tho Peyton maybe taking over or 854 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 1: being part of ownership in Denver, that would be like 855 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: a plus for for for Aaron Rodgers. I would think, right, 856 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: is that the play? Do you think? I mean? I 857 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: think I think Peyton Manning as an NFL owner has 858 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: been in place since he retired. I mean, like like 859 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: everything I understand. I don't know if you've heard this, damn, 860 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: but like there there had always been a the assumption 861 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: that Peyton was going to want to be a football 862 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: executive at some point and run his own show. And 863 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: I and I remember hearing all the way back when 864 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, he signed with Denver it was actually sort 865 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: of a side benefit for him that he got to 866 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: see John Elway do that job because John Elway's background 867 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: obviously has parallels to Peyton going into that sort of job. Right, So, 868 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: like there's that the Peyton's always had that kind of 869 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 1: in the back of his head that maybe he wants 870 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: to be a football executive. And then two, I've also 871 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 1: heard that the Manning family has always sort of had 872 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: an eye on ownership and that was part of the 873 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: reason why over the years, Peyton Manning never took less 874 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: on contracts. Eli Manning never took less on contracts. They 875 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: always did a lot of endorsements. Like I'd always heard 876 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: that sort of idea that the Manning family was building 877 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: capital to maybe someday be able to buy a team. 878 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the capital to buy 879 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: a team outright, but to be a part of an 880 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: ownership group like that would make some sense. And if 881 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: you were putting together an ownership group in Denver, a 882 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: group to bid on it in Denver, that'd be a 883 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: pretty powerful guy to have on your side, wouldn't it. 884 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, And you know, I know, I know 885 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: Peyton really loves living there. That's the other thing, you know. 886 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: Part of the reason why I think, you know, he 887 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: has been a little slow to take a job as 888 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: a football executive because those opportunities have been available to him, 889 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: is because he lives a very comfortable life, you know, 890 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: in Denver now, and so there are a lot of 891 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: things there that sort of line up where it would 892 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: make sense. You know, Peyton Mann was part of a 893 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: group that would bid on the on the Broncos. Talking 894 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter for the Monday Morning Quarterback, 895 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: Washington football team is going to have a big announcement 896 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: coming up next month to twenty two, which we pointed 897 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: out as Groundhogs Day. So maybe they don't change the name, 898 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: they just keep it what it is. But you got 899 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: any thoughts on this, Yeah, I mean, like I think 900 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: it's I think what we've seen this year from that organization, 901 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like it's almost like comical. How 902 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: like you know that it was illustrated on Sunday with 903 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: the barrier collapsing and the fans falling onto jail and 904 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: versus like as much work as they've done over the 905 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: last two years to try and fix things there, they 906 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,360 Speaker 1: had a long way to go. And so you know, 907 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,879 Speaker 1: between everything that's happened there, um, you know, really over 908 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: the twenty two years since Stan Snyder bought the team, 909 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: But you know, really, you know, like when you like 910 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: between the nickname obviously, the workplace scandal, everything that's happened 911 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: there over the last couple of years, it's really clear 912 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 1: how far they've had to go. But you know, I 913 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: do think that they've got some good people in place 914 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 1: now to change the way we think about that that organization, 915 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,439 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that this is a big 916 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: part of it for all of them. So you know, 917 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: the president, Jason Wrights obviously spearheaded this effort. And you know, 918 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: on the football side, Ron Rivera and Marty Hernie and 919 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: Martin Mayhew, I think have made some progress. This is 920 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: a big year for them, make make no mistake about it. Like, 921 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, they took a little bit of a step 922 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: back this year in that they're not going to be 923 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: on the p in the playoffs. But you know, from 924 00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: a quarterback standpoint from you know, just like like what 925 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: the staff looks like standpoint like, twenty twenty two is 926 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: a big year for the franchise. And you know, you'd 927 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: hope that maybe the start of things like people falling 928 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: out of the stadium would stop to end, start to end. 929 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: And I do think that the rebrand is a big 930 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: part of all of that. What are the Buccaneers doing 931 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: with Antonio Brown? What's the uh the game plan here 932 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 1: or strategy? I think that they're well right now they're 933 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: working with the league on how to handle this. Um. 934 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: You know, I look like I think we need to 935 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,919 Speaker 1: do we need to look at this for what it is, Dan, 936 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't you know Father Flan again here, 937 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: Like this was a football situation from the start, and 938 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: that they brought him in the first place to appease 939 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: their quarterback because Tom Brady wanted him there in two 940 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty, he was sort of a bonus piece 941 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: to the offense in two thou and twenty, the same 942 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 1: way Gronk was because those guys that got in late 943 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,879 Speaker 1: and it was the COVID year and everything else, those 944 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: guys had nice contributions down the stretch. Brady loves both 945 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,959 Speaker 1: those guys. Brady had the team bring both those guys back. 946 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: Both those guys had a full off season, both became 947 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: an integral part of the offense. And obviously Gronk is 948 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,280 Speaker 1: it's not fair in any non football way to connect 949 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: Gronk to Ab, but that was sort of the way 950 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 1: those acquisitions happened. And when they struggled in mid season 951 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: this year, a big part of it was because those 952 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: guys had become integral parts of what they do offensively. 953 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: And so when AB's situation went haywire over the last month, 954 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,839 Speaker 1: you know, with the fake vaccination card, the lying, the suspension, 955 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: everything else, the reason they held on to him was 956 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 1: because he had become an integral part to what they 957 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: do from a football standpoint, and he had become too valuable. 958 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: He'd become valuable enough where I think the decision makers 959 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: there had built up some tolerance for what he was 960 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: going to bring off the field, where that tolerance had 961 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: been zero year before. And so I think this is 962 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: that's what this It's every single, every single facet of 963 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: this decision of the Antonio Brown, Antonio Brown's ron in Tampa, 964 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: all of it was guided by football, and right up 965 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: to the very end where at this point he's become 966 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: more of a problem than he was a value to 967 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: the team, which is amazing because he was pretty valuable 968 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: to the team at the end. I don't think we're 969 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: being fair to Bruce Arians when we say to Bruce 970 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, do you wasn't a mistake to sign Antonio Brown. 971 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: He got a Super Bowl out of this. Yeah, you know, 972 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: they knew that they were getting somebody. He knew what 973 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: they were signing up. Yes, but they everybody's enabled Antonio 974 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: Brown that you know, even Tom Brady saying we should 975 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 1: show compassion. He's got some problems. Well did he have 976 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: problems before he took off his clothes? You know in 977 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: the Jets game, of course, he did. So it feels 978 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,360 Speaker 1: like we're going to Hey, you know, he's got problems. Okay, 979 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 1: was anybody addressing these problems prior to what happened Sunday? 980 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: Is he addressing these his agent? Does anybody give a 981 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: damn about him now? That? Because he might get another 982 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,360 Speaker 1: job here Albert, But you're gonna have the same issues. 983 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, he's, like 984 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: Bruce arians a football coach. He's not a psychologist. He's 985 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,840 Speaker 1: not a self help guy. He's not a good like 986 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 1: he's a football coach, you know what I mean. Like 987 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,879 Speaker 1: and Brady wanted him. He Bruce was probably handcuffed to say, 988 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,720 Speaker 1: all right, Tom really wants him. He wanted him in England, 989 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,319 Speaker 1: look like and and and you know what, like New 990 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 1: England did the same things for Tom, right, Like there 991 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: were Josh Gordon when they brought Josh Gordon in. You know, 992 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: I can tell you for a fact, like the Patriots 993 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 1: made it clear to to to Tom like okay, this 994 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: is your guy now, like you're gonna you're gonna look 995 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,239 Speaker 1: out for him, right, And so Tom has become used 996 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 1: to being in these situations where it's I want this 997 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 1: player on my team. I like this player, I need 998 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,360 Speaker 1: more help offensively, and to facilitate that, I'm going to 999 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: personally take the guy under my wing. And that's what 1000 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,360 Speaker 1: happened with a B. And I do think, like I 1001 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: do think by the end, like Tom really did like Antonio, 1002 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: like I think that there was a strong relationship there, 1003 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 1: but like the idea that, like the idea that football 1004 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: was going to keep him in line, it didn't in Pittsburgh, 1005 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 1: right like where like at the end, like a team Envy, 1006 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: not like a team MVP award going to Juju Smith 1007 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: Schuster set him off right, and that was a place 1008 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: that had done everything everything to facilitate it for him. 1009 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,399 Speaker 1: So I just I don't know like where I mean 1010 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: to me, Like, continuing to give him opportunities isn't football 1011 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,359 Speaker 1: saving Antonio Brown. It's reinforcing that he can get get 1012 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: away with whatever the hell he wants. And every time 1013 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: he got another chance, whether it was after you know, 1014 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: the the end in Pittsburgh, whether it was after the 1015 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: whole bizarre end in Oakland with the feet and the 1016 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,400 Speaker 1: helmet and everything else, or the way things ended in 1017 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 1: New England with him taking an open shot at ownership 1018 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 1: on his way out, the door after threatening people who 1019 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: are accusing him of some very serious things. Continuing to 1020 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: give him opportunities wasn't football saving him, It was sending 1021 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: him a very clear message, Dan, like, football is going 1022 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,359 Speaker 1: to allow you to act however the hell you want, 1023 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: because your talent supersedes everything else that you've done. Albert, 1024 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: great to talk to you. Is always we appreciate your time. 1025 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, thanks Dan, Albert Breer and that 1026 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: was well put. You know, because until he doesn't have 1027 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,279 Speaker 1: a job, I mean that's when reality sets in. That's 1028 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: when you know, okay, no, nobody cares, no more options here. 1029 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,279 Speaker 1: Like I look back on Metaworld piece. He knew he 1030 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 1: had a problem and he went and he worked on 1031 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 1: getting better. And I have total respect for that. I mean, 1032 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 1: he's he's interesting, he's quirky, he's not dangerous, and Antonio 1033 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,799 Speaker 1: Brown is dangerous. Albert the lead senior NFL reporter lead 1034 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,959 Speaker 1: strategist for the Monday Morning Court event.