Speaker 1: How is Tyler playing against him? He's physical? Huh, he
Speaker 1: was physical, but I was a physical receiver. Yeah, you're big.
Speaker 1: New England fans hated me because I didn't do not
Speaker 1: but talking, and I used to murder New England. I
Speaker 1: used to murder them. That was the worst thing they
Speaker 1: could ever seen coming through the building. No real talk,
Speaker 1: google it. I called Teddy Bruski one time. Oh, right
Speaker 1: at the goal line, down the ground, slam down, he
Speaker 1: shot pop out touchdown freebing against the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh we went up to Fox Borll beat the Peak
Speaker 1: here on Yeah, we beat them bad. Welcome to Games
Speaker 1: with Namies. I'm Julian Edelman.
Speaker 3: They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on the mission
Speaker 3: to finding the greatest game of all time. On today's episode,
Speaker 3: we are covering the nineteen ninety eight AFC Divisional round
Speaker 3: game between the Jaguarars and the Jets with former number
Speaker 3: one overall pick, longtime broadcaster and one of the few
Speaker 3: New York Jets to join this show, Keishawn Johnson. And
Speaker 3: we get into talking being a pro athlete in New York.
Speaker 1: After the games, all Gluen clubs and party and it
Speaker 1: was just a crazy thing Man, what it's like to
Speaker 1: work with Paul Pierce. I'm going all in. I'm going
Speaker 1: Celtic Pride. I'm going all in and his best Bill
Speaker 1: Parcell and Bill Belichick stories played with both. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're two thirty five, look like I got
Speaker 1: walnuts in your cheeks. That's my guy, you know.
Speaker 3: And then we do some NFL contract talk, contract talk,
Speaker 3: Rock Party, contract talk in this week's Chill Zone, presented
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Speaker 1: Games with Names and production of iHeartRadio. January ten, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, Giants Stadium, the Meadowlands, New Jersey. With twenty
Speaker 1: seconds left, the Jags trail the Jets thirty four twenty four.
Speaker 1: They need a miracle. Purnell lets it fly, but the
Speaker 1: ball is intercepted by Keishawn Johnson. This is the mann
Speaker 1: is at the Medallands. I'm like, huh, Welcome to Games
Speaker 1: with Names. We have a special guest today to go
Speaker 1: over the nineteen ninety eight AFC Divisional round game between
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars and those New York Jets with legendary
Speaker 1: number one pick usc alum Keishawn Johnson Keishawn in one sentence,
Speaker 1: why this game? First of all, what's up? Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me? Yet, let's start there. Why pick this game
Speaker 1: as the game first playoff game boy?
Speaker 2: Did he leave an impact big time?
Speaker 1: What were the stats?
Speaker 2: Do it all right?
Speaker 1: And touchdown to touch the interception, fumble recovery, bumble recovery.
Speaker 4: Let me let me make sure we get it right
Speaker 4: so we can put some shine on this nine catches,
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty one yards, ten rush yards, two
Speaker 4: touchdowns should have been three. Called him down the one
Speaker 4: on one that was bs an interception in a fumble recovery.
Speaker 2: I got called down on the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one that top Chris Martin punches like
Speaker 1: it was like a it was like a seam throw
Speaker 1: of some sort in the red area fell down.
Speaker 3: Now you got tackled on the one like it was
Speaker 3: you went up for the ball and like I don't
Speaker 3: even remember. See, that's that's when you know.
Speaker 1: Now Now, now you now that you told me that.
Speaker 1: Next time I talk about this game, So mumble letting
Speaker 1: us say, I should have had three touchdown right, three? Damn?
Speaker 1: I should have had three, should have had three? I
Speaker 1: didn't even Yeah, So yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember because I really literally have never watched
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, I mean, I don't even remember watching
Speaker 1: it back to get ready for the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: I don't remember watching the game. I mean, I see
Speaker 1: the highlights of the game, but not the full game.
Speaker 1: You didn't see them very much. I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: trying to correlate. Probably divisional round. You take all the
Speaker 1: bad from it and you move on, and you're already
Speaker 1: thinking about, yeah, the next game. You know, that was
Speaker 1: my This was my first playoff game, but you know,
Speaker 1: I knew I could play. I'm not even worried about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's the least of my worry. But
Speaker 1: when you don't have a quarterback, sometimes things don't go
Speaker 1: the way you need to. But I had the hot,
Speaker 1: hottest quarterback in the National Football League that year was
Speaker 1: Vinnie testa Verdi, who came in I think it was
Speaker 1: four games into the season. After we binge Glenn Foley,
Speaker 1: we brought in Vinnie. Vinnie didn't even play the entire season,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just I don't know. I just treated
Speaker 1: like a normal game. But that's you know that was
Speaker 1: just the way I always was, and it just happened
Speaker 1: to be my first playoff game. He showed up big.
Speaker 1: Is this the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 2: For me?
Speaker 1: Or for in general?
Speaker 2: The Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Is? Ah? Are you talking about the game? It's this game?
Speaker 1: Is this the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 2: Football?
Speaker 1: Game? Yeah? But what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Though? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: We give me some context. We ask every everyone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but are your greatest game game of football? Or the
Speaker 1: game we play? We are on a mission definding the
Speaker 1: greatest game in history. This is it football. This is
Speaker 1: it right here? That's right, baby, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: So it's only a few people, though Jews, that could
Speaker 1: do this, not many. I don't think anyone has done that.
Speaker 1: Play the game I'm gonna play in the game of football.
Speaker 1: It's only a few people that want to do it.
Speaker 1: Because it's not easy. It's not it's not easy at all.
Speaker 1: People don't understand now they thinking, they think, they think
Speaker 1: it is like they don't understand it. It's like, now,
Speaker 1: you don't get it. They don't get the funnest part
Speaker 1: is playing the game. They don't understand the preparation, the practice,
Speaker 1: how hard that is yeah, yeah, yeah, the practice practice
Speaker 1: was hard. Preparation wasn't as hard as the practice. For me,
Speaker 1: preparation was easy. But because I took all the scout
Speaker 1: team reps and my first team reps, it was you know,
Speaker 1: I was playing maybe three games in a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and that's why you were prepared for your first
Speaker 1: playoff game, I'm sure. And he balled out right, and
Speaker 1: he bawled out. What's life looking like these days? Kishan?
Speaker 1: Just working man working at Fox after eighteen years at ESPN,
Speaker 1: I'm over at FS one, Fox family and enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Been there now.
Speaker 1: This is going to be going on my third year
Speaker 1: in September. So yeah, you know, I'm just ready to go,
Speaker 1: fired up, ready to just do my damn thing. Take Central,
Speaker 1: Just take Central by Kishan?
Speaker 2: Ruh, why not? Why not?
Speaker 1: So what's the difference between Fox and ESPN? Give me
Speaker 1: some loadown. You know I was at CBS, now I'm
Speaker 1: at The difference is one you had a little mom
Speaker 1: and pop operation. At Fox. I see everybody. It's the
Speaker 1: big big boys upstairs people. I see them every day
Speaker 1: where at ESPN a lot of suits, but at ESPN
Speaker 1: such a massive deal. You might see the suits once
Speaker 1: every blue moon.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just.
Speaker 1: The reality of it. And I may run into certain
Speaker 1: talent once every blue moon. Where Fox, I'm seeing people
Speaker 1: saying people all the time, all the time. At the time,
Speaker 1: it's just a different operation, really corporate.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: You get to be yourself, you get to do your thing,
Speaker 1: you get to just it's just they let you do you.
Speaker 1: Where ESPN is Disney, so everything is safe, super safe.
Speaker 1: It's just an overall just a better better suit for
Speaker 1: me right now in my career where I'm at at Fox.
Speaker 1: Then let's say at ESPN, A traveling back and forward.
Speaker 1: You know, I was there eighteen years, and so my
Speaker 1: first ten years I did NFL Sunday and Monday and
Speaker 1: I Countdown was the number one show in all the
Speaker 1: pregame shows. Did it for ten years with Boomer and
Speaker 1: TJ and Chris Carter and Mike Dicker, and then I
Speaker 1: left it, and then I started doing the radio here locally.
Speaker 1: Then at the same time simultanely said I was doing
Speaker 1: NFL Live and Sports Center and all that, and then
Speaker 1: I switched during the height of the pandemic to going
Speaker 1: and doing the national radio and First Take and NFL Live.
Speaker 1: But I had to move to the East Coast in
Speaker 1: New York for like a year and a half because
Speaker 1: they wanted me to do it, and I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: I don't do it. No, I don't want to do it. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. Now, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we might want to do that, because then we decided
Speaker 1: to do it. Then my kids get back there and
Speaker 1: within a year they're like, we're going to go home,
Speaker 1: so then I can move them back. And then I
Speaker 1: just two weeks there, two weeks here, two weeks their,
Speaker 1: two weeks here, and then eventually but they decided, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we're giving you all this money we want we need
Speaker 1: some of that back for tax purposes. So they at
Speaker 1: the time that they let me go in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: they cleaned about I think it was like five billion
Speaker 1: dollars on their books. They wiped out Disney, so anybody
Speaker 1: had contracts, they just ate the contracts and wrote them off.
Speaker 2: That year fiscal year.
Speaker 1: But they had to pay, so they wind up cashing
Speaker 1: you out. And you know, go ahead, if you want
Speaker 1: to work, you can work, if you don't sit on
Speaker 1: your buns, whatever you want to do. And Fox came
Speaker 1: a calling and then I've been here ever since. Heck, yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't make room for all that money to give
Speaker 1: the McAfee. That's what it sound like. It sound that way,
Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily not. I think they could have
Speaker 1: still did the McAfee thing. But it's more about, as
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the world of Wall Street,
Speaker 1: diluting something to make it go back up. And that
Speaker 1: was a stock play. It was a Wall Street play,
Speaker 1: which is fine. I'm happy with it, right if I'm good,
Speaker 1: not a stock guy. But I will take some advice
Speaker 1: from you any day, small mom and pop spot hawks right,
Speaker 1: running into everyone, you see talent all the time, you
Speaker 1: see joy. How many times do you argue with Lashawn
Speaker 1: McCoy in the in the green room? Because I do
Speaker 1: it about fourteen to fifteen times a day. If I
Speaker 1: see him, we have text conversations. Uh yeah, we have
Speaker 1: more text conversations. But because he's early in the morning,
Speaker 1: I'm late in the afternoon. By the time i'm there,
Speaker 1: he's gone. But if I happen to be there anytime
Speaker 1: he's there, same deal. I can't get up the stairwell
Speaker 1: without arguing about trying. He tried to uh at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He came on my podcast and uh, he
Speaker 1: was trying to tell me, you know, oh, receivers don't block,
Speaker 1: they don't do this, they don't do that. Said mean you,
Speaker 1: I don't know who you played with. I said, I don't.
Speaker 1: I can cuss, right, yeah all day, say I don't
Speaker 1: know who the fuck you played with. Okay, you got
Speaker 1: me fucked up up. So the internet, you know, the
Speaker 1: internet was crazy. He checked McCoy whatever, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't get it. Yeah, I know, you
Speaker 1: don't get it. I wasn't blocking DB's and I wasn't
Speaker 1: just cracking ends. Not only was I blocking DB's and
Speaker 1: cracking ends, I was taking linebackers to the trash cans.
Speaker 1: You don't get Oh, you ain't doing it. So then
Speaker 1: we had to go get the clips and put them
Speaker 1: in and blasting and there. You know, but that's a sign.
Speaker 2: Hey JD, we love you.
Speaker 1: And I tell him. I tell him all the time.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll see the show. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's a bad uniform you got on. You look about
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty pounds overweight. But you might want
Speaker 1: to you know, you might want to hear he Man,
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to the trailmill right now.
Speaker 1: I'm good because you got me going. And he goes
Speaker 1: and goes to the gym, gets on the trail mill,
Speaker 1: no wherever he's out, I don't know where he goes
Speaker 1: to the gym when he gets on there, and he'll
Speaker 1: send me the clip letting me know that he's working out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you still look pudgy. I don't understand how
Speaker 1: you can look slim one day and then you look
Speaker 1: like you gained one hundred pounds the next day. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's running backs, always game, lineman always lose. It's
Speaker 1: just that's how it goes. And then I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, I told you, I said, man, that hairline,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna take that all. You're gonna take it off.
Speaker 1: You can't get at a man's hairline getting because he
Speaker 1: got the he got the half moon going got he
Speaker 1: got the Jerry race on the Raiders. Remember the Dreads
Speaker 1: started back here. We just had that conversation about Jerry today.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, Jared, No, we had the guy I
Speaker 1: told Jerry the year we beat them in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and we hung out like on a Monday or
Speaker 1: whatever day we got there and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, Jerry, what you're doing?
Speaker 1: Man, Like, come on, man, hey, man, come on key.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jerry, you have fifty you know, you just
Speaker 1: let it go. Just stop because it was extensions. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just his hair, it was extensions to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just come on, Jerry. Oh, Jerry looked like a lion.
Speaker 2: Man. I love it.
Speaker 3: I was big Jerry fan, dude. But I mean, you
Speaker 3: got a hairline like you you could say anything.
Speaker 2: No, I mean he's pretty good. Yeah, I'm good. I'm straight.
Speaker 1: Now. Did Paul make it? Yeah, Paul, Paul made it.
Speaker 1: He made it.
Speaker 2: He made it. No, he wore shoes. So what happened?
Speaker 1: So what happened? This is how it all happened. Right
Speaker 1: in January, at the end of the NFL season, the
Speaker 1: Jets was looking for a quarterback, I mean looking for
Speaker 1: head coach, my bat they looking for a head coach.
Speaker 1: And so I was on the air, and because I
Speaker 1: have a I think like the people that I've been around, right,
Speaker 1: It's just it's a natural thing. I think like Champagne,
Speaker 1: I think like Bill Parcells, I think like Belichick. Because
Speaker 1: I've been around them, I get them. I understand how
Speaker 1: they going to operate?
Speaker 2: Move right.
Speaker 1: So I go on the show and they like, who's
Speaker 1: gonna be the new head coach of the Jets at
Speaker 1: the I said, I don't know, but I kind of
Speaker 1: figured ag name was coming up, this, that and the other.
Speaker 1: So I said, I can promise you off Aaron glenk
Speaker 1: at the job. Brett Farve ain't gonna be on it.
Speaker 1: At the quarterback. If Brett fav is the quarterback, Aaron Rodgerson,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, Brett Farbard Arronds, same shit, same shit,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, I said, If Aaron Rodgers the quarterback, Jules,
Speaker 1: I say, opening day of twenty twenty five, I will
Speaker 1: walk from my home in Calabasas to the studio. But
Speaker 1: I'm smart enough to know my guy. And Aaron Glen
Speaker 1: gets a job. Now I people think I got something
Speaker 1: from he hadn't gotten a job at this, you know,
Speaker 1: And I said it. You know, I know him, and
Speaker 1: I know what I would have done as the head coach,
Speaker 1: and I know what parcels and I know Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: like I know what they would do to that type
Speaker 1: of personality. Too much distraction, all the all the above, right,
Speaker 1: So I said, to him, I said I would walk
Speaker 1: home and they're like, oh, you know, I mean walk
Speaker 1: to the studio and there you're crazy, know and they
Speaker 1: all like, watch, watch you be the start. I said,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. A couple weeks later they cutting,
Speaker 1: so I didn't have to walk. So now, Paul last
Speaker 1: night says on the show, I I didn't prompt him
Speaker 1: to doing it. People are blaming me based on what
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you.
Speaker 3: Unspeak the night before the second game of the Celtics
Speaker 3: Knicks series.
Speaker 1: Yes, he says, if we're not gonna lose two in
Speaker 1: a row, if we lose to around, I'm walking from home.
Speaker 1: Now Paul lives by me, and I mean walking to
Speaker 1: the studio. Paul lis me. I'm like, you might not
Speaker 1: want to do that.
Speaker 2: Paul.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm going all in. I'm going Celtic Pride.
Speaker 1: I'm going all in.
Speaker 2: I said, Man, he might not gonna take the series,
Speaker 2: not one game.
Speaker 1: Now I'm taking one. Said okay, cool, the Celtics lose
Speaker 1: game this hall, I promised you I was walking here tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm walking here fifteen miles.
Speaker 1: So it happened is that we got to that fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: and at twenty point, Lead started shrinking and shrinking and
Speaker 1: shrinking and drinking. We texting on the group. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: you might want to think about starting lasening the month.
Speaker 2: You know it.
Speaker 1: It just kept going, kept going, kept going.
Speaker 2: What's Paul said?
Speaker 1: Is he silent?
Speaker 2: He like, nah, all right? We all right.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden he's like, man, I'm in
Speaker 1: trouble and he's like, oh ship man, this is bad.
Speaker 1: It happened and the social media world went on fire.
Speaker 1: They were crazy, and he had to pay it off.
Speaker 1: I had to pay it off, and so he started
Speaker 1: paying off at five. But he made it to the
Speaker 1: show today and we did a whole The basic show
Speaker 1: was Boston Celtic's Fall. I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Celtic's got me out there like this.
Speaker 1: I tried to tell him not to do it, but
Speaker 1: he was hard hitted, didn't.
Speaker 2: Want to listen. I'm gonna bounce back. We're gonna bounce back.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Him on the wall.
Speaker 1: I saw him on the walk twice. I saw him
Speaker 1: once closer to the house. Then I went and got
Speaker 1: a haircut, got my hair cut up. So now I
Speaker 1: might have been three and a half four hours later,
Speaker 1: and then I caught him up in bel Air walking
Speaker 1: down some Povida caught him, gave him some water. But
Speaker 1: then KG caught him earlier, and I think, uh, who
Speaker 1: else called him? Matt Barnes called him, and then a
Speaker 1: bunch of other people called it was it was the
Speaker 1: funniest thing ever. He's got his robe born shoes, and
Speaker 1: he came into the He came into the studio drenched.
Speaker 1: Got hot today today it got hot, especially when you're
Speaker 1: going over that mountain. Yeah, it was funny that son man.
Speaker 1: Paul's funny get in trouble with Paul.
Speaker 2: A man of his word. He's a man of his word. Though.
Speaker 1: Are you worried about these Celtics?
Speaker 2: Not yet? Not yet.
Speaker 1: I'm still still You're still.
Speaker 2: More one more? One more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saturday. Then I'll start worrying one more if they
Speaker 1: lose Saturday. And I'm worried right now, oh too. Twenty
Speaker 1: point leads in two games, better the road, better on
Speaker 1: the road, on the record, reckless season on the road.
Speaker 1: But you know they they squadned are two straight twenty twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's hard to do. It's not now though, I feel
Speaker 1: like nowadays it's not. It's it really isn't. But back
Speaker 1: to back, it's hard to do back to back. It's
Speaker 1: hard to do basketball. Man, it's a game of a
Speaker 1: different now. But I like that they're letting them play.
Speaker 1: They're letting them play right now because it's the playoff.
Speaker 1: It's the playoff, the playoff basketball. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after this quick break. Let's let's jump into a segment
Speaker 1: where we go back into time around where the game
Speaker 1: took place. This game took place January tenth, nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: This will be fun and go over pop culture number
Speaker 1: one movie Patch Adams. Which one was that?
Speaker 2: That was Robin Williams. Remember, oh, all.
Speaker 1: Right, have you ever by Brandy? I remember Brandy? She
Speaker 1: had the braid, she was cutie. I love Brandy. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you remember Brandy? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Brand Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Around this pop culture Sopranos premieres on HBO, Family
Speaker 1: Guy on Fox, Varsity Blues Tweeter, You Got Mail in
Speaker 1: a Bugs Life, Shakespeare in Love, all popping off in
Speaker 1: the one I've seen and never really watched, the sopranossy
Speaker 1: Na football movie it's football Texas movie too. I'm not Yeah,
Speaker 1: football text different it's different big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what's it like growing up around here and then
Speaker 1: going to SC. Well, I didn't grow up around here,
Speaker 1: but yes, Los Angeles in LA although I did go
Speaker 1: to Pacific Palisades for one year. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: you the hometown hero. I guess if what you want
Speaker 1: to call it, Yeah, I mean you grew I grew
Speaker 1: up literally across the street from the university. That's fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: So I originally wasn't going to go to USC. Originally
Speaker 1: was going to Miami, and then Dennis Erickson left. Then
Speaker 1: I switched to Washington, and then DJ retired and they
Speaker 1: went on probation, and then John Robinson came back to USC,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm staying home because Larry Smith
Speaker 1: was the coach at the time, and he really didn't
Speaker 1: recruit inner city kids from LA. He was a big
Speaker 1: suburbian guy. Prior to that, USC was heavy inner city.
Speaker 1: That's when we was bawling and doing everything. And he
Speaker 1: came and he wanted to go to Arizona or somewhere
Speaker 1: in the suburbs, and it just wasn't the same type
Speaker 1: of athlete and people from here. That's when Washington, Colorado Nebraska,
Speaker 1: Cal all started Washington State. They all became powerhouses for
Speaker 1: a couple of years because they were recruiting here in
Speaker 1: this base. And so when Jr. Got the job, John
Speaker 1: Robinson got fired from the RAMS and came back to USC.
Speaker 1: It wasn't nothing else to talk about. But it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, you just know the neighborhoods, you know everything.
Speaker 1: I could tell you one thing. I didn't starve to
Speaker 1: death because family's here. I can go right up the
Speaker 1: road get something to eat, and I didn't have to
Speaker 1: worry about those things. It was just you know, childhood
Speaker 1: dream of always wanting to go to USC. Grew up
Speaker 1: literally across the street from them. Did you play baseball?
Speaker 1: I did you know who Mark McGuire is? You know
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson is? You've never met anybody that has pitch
Speaker 1: BP to Mark McGuire caught Randy Johnson and warmed up
Speaker 1: Jack del Rio til you met me as a kid?
Speaker 2: Whoa crazy? Oh yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because as a kid, as a kid, as a
Speaker 1: as a teenage kid, and not even yeah, I was
Speaker 1: an early teens, like eleven twelve, so we're across the street.
Speaker 1: Grew up across the street from USC. So USC at
Speaker 1: the time was a pretty open campus. You could just
Speaker 1: come and go as you please. And so we was
Speaker 1: the rack pack. It was a bunch of us. So
Speaker 1: yould just go and hang out after school and look
Speaker 1: at Marcus Allen and just see all of these guys
Speaker 1: running around round a lot and the whole deal. And
Speaker 1: you know, you became part of the university and the campus,
Speaker 1: believe it or not. Local kids, local kids and local kids,
Speaker 1: so you know all of them. And like my mom
Speaker 1: managed the apartment building that a bunch of SC players
Speaker 1: lived in and we lived in. So back in this
Speaker 1: day you could manage an apartment building and get free
Speaker 1: rent and you just managed. That's my best when did
Speaker 1: and and so now all of a sudden you meet
Speaker 1: these guys and you're going to the games and you
Speaker 1: being a part of their culture and their whole deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I pitched BP to him, warmed them up, did the
Speaker 1: whole Shit's crazy story to people all the time. How's
Speaker 1: your VP throw? I was fine, he was knocking them
Speaker 1: out the park. I'm sure it was like probably big
Speaker 1: ass little toes that weren't you, uh, skinny but tall, tall,
Speaker 1: skinny kid. Yeah, but you know, VP, normal people, I know,
Speaker 1: but still you COMPI Raddy Johnson, Randy Johnson, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: big unit, the big he's a photographer for the NFL sidelines.
Speaker 2: Now, oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeahs and warmed up and warmed up Jack del Rio.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just say, Oh, what.
Speaker 1: Was Keishawan Johnson like in nineteen ninety nine rookie year, No,
Speaker 1: not ninety nine, rookie year, third year, ninety six six?
Speaker 1: What was I like? He first playoff game?
Speaker 2: I was him? I mean what you mean, mam?
Speaker 1: Ninety nine? Shit, I was living in New York. I
Speaker 1: was coming off well, it depends on what ninety eight
Speaker 1: ninety so, I was coming off my first Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: my second Pro Bowl. I was coming off my second
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Shit, I was toasted the town. Where in
Speaker 1: New York are you living? So I was living in
Speaker 1: Long Island because we were in Long Island practicing. So
Speaker 1: I was living in Long Island. But I also had
Speaker 1: a apartment on Park Avenue as well. So hey, when
Speaker 1: you're a number one pick, you know you got two
Speaker 1: home Park Avenue, baby, Yeah, and I had just that's
Speaker 1: just that's just I was kind of married.
Speaker 2: But you know I was married at the time.
Speaker 1: I was kind of married. I hate to say it,
Speaker 1: but you know, probably probably probably loved my kids, great kids,
Speaker 1: the whole deal. Got a good deal out of that.
Speaker 1: Probably should have been married. Probably got married a little
Speaker 1: too early, you.
Speaker 2: Know, twenty two with a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, living in New York, probably a little too early.
Speaker 2: Little that's what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was in the middle of pop culture, like you said,
Speaker 1: middle of everything that was going on, the East coast,
Speaker 1: West coast rap wars. I was in, you know, seeing
Speaker 1: people that was out there not to be named, but
Speaker 1: having some fun New York and that time had to
Speaker 1: be really fun. That sceneed had to be crazy sane.
Speaker 1: I love New York, New York's fun city. But see,
Speaker 1: we was good through then, good to the point where
Speaker 1: they have been so bad that everything was a plus
Speaker 1: from there anyway, right, I mean, like you think about it,
Speaker 1: I was one and fifteen as a rookie. Prior to that,
Speaker 1: they were two and fourteen. That's how they got me.
Speaker 1: Then we went one in fifteen, Bill came and the
Speaker 1: next year it was an AFC championship game. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like same t Yeah, one year, what was
Speaker 1: the difference coaching. Dude, if you if you knew the
Speaker 1: fucking coaches Richie Cole tight I had like it was
Speaker 1: you'd you'd literally jump off a building. I mean it
Speaker 1: was the worst because I was coming from USC and
Speaker 1: so coming from USC toast of the town program Rose B.
Speaker 1: Cotton like we was the.
Speaker 2: Ship winning, like we was winning.
Speaker 1: And I go to a program.
Speaker 2: Our head coach was a guy named Richie koe type.
Speaker 1: How he got the job, I have no idea because
Speaker 1: he just got fired from Philadelphia because he was bad.
Speaker 1: You get fired because you're back, just like to do
Speaker 1: that so that they hire a fire coaches literally literally
Speaker 1: and they hires Richie co type. The funniest thing ever, though,
Speaker 1: is I'm just watching the culture of the building. So
Speaker 1: we had practice one day and our head coach, you
Speaker 1: know how, they have a couple of fields, a field
Speaker 1: over here, field over here, over here. He's off to
Speaker 1: one of the far fields while we're practicing. He's got
Speaker 1: the brick cell phone. He's just chilling while we're practicing
Speaker 1: on his phone, smoking his cigar. There's no I don't
Speaker 1: know who the hell he's talking to. But this was
Speaker 1: an everyday occurrence this was something that was going on crazy, right,
Speaker 1: that was crazy. It was the wildest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I was just like, this ain't my rookie year. Literally,
Speaker 1: we did whatever we wanted to do, when we wanted
Speaker 1: to do it, how we wanted to do it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And we wanted fifteen and so
Speaker 1: at that point, for me, I really didn't care at
Speaker 1: one fit. I was like, these dudes gonna get fired anyway.
Speaker 1: So we're actually playing the New England Patriots. What one
Speaker 1: game and it's T and T at night and uh I,
Speaker 1: along with a couple of other veteran players, we go
Speaker 1: to the Foxy Lady in uh Providence Road, isan legendary
Speaker 1: spot Providence right for that establishment, but we're staying there.
Speaker 1: We go there on a on a Saturday, I think
Speaker 1: it was it was a Saturday, because we're playing on
Speaker 1: Sunday night. Saturday. We go there and we leave after bedcheck,
Speaker 1: but we walk right out the front fucking door.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: We don't go the side doors. We don't do anything.
Speaker 1: So now we are sitting at the Foxy Lady. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's no class like Vegas, and we're just being young
Speaker 1: kids that don't know any better or whatever. We go back.
Speaker 1: The bus is getting ready to get ready for the game.
Speaker 1: We get back to the hotel. We done missed. We
Speaker 1: done missed a pregame meal, the early meeting. We done
Speaker 1: missed all that, right, So we go back in. They
Speaker 1: cubed my room. I'm trying to get dressed. They come
Speaker 1: to my room, like what I was like when I
Speaker 1: was near sleep and I ain't y'all you know I overslept?
Speaker 1: You overslept this long? I said, yeah, mass shit, I
Speaker 1: was tired whatever, you know, the whole deal.
Speaker 2: And they're like, no.
Speaker 1: The security said, he's seen y'all leave and da d
Speaker 1: and so it was like a whole They was getting
Speaker 1: ready to send me back. But then I'm like, if
Speaker 1: y'all send me back, and it didn't go the way
Speaker 1: y'all say it, when y'all gonna be in trouble, not me,
Speaker 1: and they and then they said, hey, okay, he can stay, and.
Speaker 2: That I played. I wounded up playing the New England
Speaker 2: game that night.
Speaker 1: I did, okay. It was in ninety six check it
Speaker 1: out that coach Perso's first game. Because I knew they
Speaker 1: would get ready to fire the other coach already knew that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're about to fire coach Parcels comes in
Speaker 1: day one. Is it just completely different?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: He fired the dude at the front gate that was
Speaker 1: a security guard named Harry. Harry had been like the
Speaker 1: security guard for like however many years older. Guy Bill
Speaker 1: got rid of him immediately. And so one of our
Speaker 1: linebackers named Bobby Houston was a starting linebacker, started for
Speaker 1: the Jet Tunnel Noo four or five years in a row,
Speaker 1: solid linebacker, like really good. He told him if he
Speaker 1: wasn't at offseason conditioning, he was gonna get rid of him.
Speaker 1: Dude didn't come offseason condition never played again in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. Cutting never played again the Nation Football League.
Speaker 1: So those coaches he started, he started the OTAs it
Speaker 1: used to be, getting you had to get forty days
Speaker 1: over like a I want to say maybe a two
Speaker 1: and a half month period of time. You had to
Speaker 1: get forty days in, and it was like you go
Speaker 1: a week, maybe two weeks, you're off, then you come
Speaker 1: back a week, maybe off a week, you know that
Speaker 1: sort of deal. And so when he came, obviously I
Speaker 1: was one of the targets, right, oh, he call was
Speaker 1: one of the targets. So he called my agent, d
Speaker 1: do this that. And so I'm like, well, it's paying
Speaker 1: on the fucking with all that shit, man, you know.
Speaker 1: And so now my agent go, well, he say, if
Speaker 1: you don't come, da da da, I said, man, what
Speaker 1: shit man. I want to be at home my family.
Speaker 1: I can do the same thing here. He goes, you
Speaker 1: tell him it's how he talks. He goes, you tell
Speaker 1: him if he's not here on this such and such
Speaker 1: a date, it'd be the worst mistake he ever made.
Speaker 2: So I go.
Speaker 1: I go, right, So now at this point, I'm probably
Speaker 1: a little overweight. You know, I'm probably a little overweight,
Speaker 1: and I'm probably two twenty five ish somewhere in there.
Speaker 1: He goes, I sit down in his room.
Speaker 2: I go in there. I'm in his room.
Speaker 1: He's got a dark room. He's got one little light on.
Speaker 1: Like my feel like like you just said. He's sitting
Speaker 1: there and we're talking. He goes, how much did you weigh?
Speaker 1: I said, shit, I think I'm about two twenty five ish.
Speaker 1: He goes, what was that guy in the rose bowl?
Speaker 1: So I think I was probably two ten maybe. He goes,
Speaker 1: that's the guy I want, I said, Okay, cool, no problem.
Speaker 1: So now I go home, I come back, go through
Speaker 1: the whole offseason condition and I'm two o eight, right,
Speaker 1: so I'm looking crazy to him. I'm fucking you know.
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, that's all I needed.
Speaker 1: I'm made man now for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: He got me for the rest of my life because
Speaker 1: I did everything he asked me to do. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, he asked me to do something
Speaker 1: for him. I did it like that. And now you
Speaker 1: could say, you couldn't say one bad word about me
Speaker 1: in front of him. You're gonna You're gonna catch hell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so that's how I
Speaker 1: changed like that, and he's a he After my second year,
Speaker 1: after my first year with him in ninety seven, although
Speaker 1: I'm on a rookie contract, he tried to rip my
Speaker 1: contract up, but uh but the management council with the
Speaker 1: NFL wouldn't allow it.
Speaker 2: They we did the deal. We did.
Speaker 1: He was getting ready to make me at that time
Speaker 1: in ninety seven, I hadn't even done shit. I hadn
Speaker 1: fucking sixty five catches up. He was gonna make me
Speaker 1: the highest one of the highest paid receivers in the
Speaker 1: NFL at the time. We did the deal and everything,
Speaker 1: they sent it to management council. The management council didn't
Speaker 1: want to set a president, so they didn't approve it.
Speaker 1: That's how our trust and our loyalty became a bomb
Speaker 1: like it is now.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you gained parcels trust through cutting your weight. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then from that day on because you did it.
Speaker 1: Even to this day. I just talked to him the
Speaker 1: other day. He goes, what's the number. I said, shit, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm probably two thirty five or something.
Speaker 1: You know, I just slipping down a little baby. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you look good, but I don't know if you're two
Speaker 1: thirty five, look like you got walnuts in your cheeks.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm good, Coach, I really, you know.
Speaker 1: He said, well, you're doing good, son. You just keep
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. Man, I'm proud of you because
Speaker 1: that's my guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's kind of you know when I said all the time.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're around a guy for a long time,
Speaker 1: that changes you. Like I was around Belichick. It becomes
Speaker 1: like a fatherly figure even though like we didn't have
Speaker 1: that kind of relationship. See, I had a crazy relationship
Speaker 1: with Parce Hills. I was the teacher's pet. Now I
Speaker 1: was Bill when Belchi when you were there, he was cool,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't the boss.
Speaker 2: He wasn't the boss. But he was the boss.
Speaker 1: But he wasn't the boss. He was the boss on
Speaker 1: one side of the ball. He was a boss on
Speaker 1: the other side of the ball. And so I used
Speaker 1: to take reps on both the ball, right, so because
Speaker 1: of the scout team, and I would go on defense
Speaker 1: and play safety and do some stuff there. As you notice,
Speaker 1: I got an interception in the games, right, so you know.
Speaker 1: But he was cool, like I went to I used
Speaker 1: to go to the met games with Belichick.
Speaker 2: Do chick was cool.
Speaker 1: He was he just was Belichick. It wasn't the boss yet,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the boss. But the crazy shit is this
Speaker 1: is how I knew, like when y'all really start getting
Speaker 1: down and winning and doing the whole world. Even before
Speaker 1: you that I knew him as a head coach was
Speaker 1: good uncle fucking Nobody say whether he cheated, didn't cheat,
Speaker 1: airb Gate, no gate, whatever, I knew he was good
Speaker 1: based on preparation. So I was part. I was a
Speaker 1: safety of the two minute drill, which on the back end,
Speaker 1: so let's call it the one minute. We would go
Speaker 1: every Friday to Friday. Every Friday after we do our
Speaker 1: walks or whatever, since you know I used to walk through,
Speaker 1: I would have to meet with him, just me and him,
Speaker 1: one on one. I'm probably watching cut ups from twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, that offensive coordinator. I don't care that these
Speaker 1: dudes are dead now, you know, but you got me
Speaker 1: literally watching the same thing. Look, it's a three point
Speaker 1: one and here's what they're gonna do. This is like
Speaker 1: six year old video. This isn't four game videos. Six.
Speaker 1: Then we get and I'm with him literally probably an
Speaker 1: hour and a half watching four plays because it was
Speaker 1: so attention to detail. But I wind up getting interceptions
Speaker 1: and because of them, so knowing where I should be
Speaker 1: with all that sort of stuff. That's how I knew
Speaker 1: he was good as a coach.
Speaker 3: And what another thing that he does, well, I think
Speaker 3: he can take complex shit and simplify it for an athlete.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, he can give you a key. Hey, just
Speaker 1: worry about these three things. Yeah, if you burnt on
Speaker 1: something else, it's my fault. You're not good. What he
Speaker 1: used to tell you said, I don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: What where you go?
Speaker 1: Whatever? If I ever play against you, You're never gonna
Speaker 1: catch a pass. We're gonna double nineteen. That's it. I
Speaker 1: don't care.
Speaker 2: Did he get it when he left.
Speaker 1: No, because I only played in New England one time
Speaker 1: in the preseason and I might have had one catch
Speaker 1: and it was whatever, and I got out the game.
Speaker 1: We never got a chance to play against New England.
Speaker 1: And when I was playing, Brian Flores used to say
Speaker 1: that to me when he was our DC. Then he
Speaker 1: went to Miami. He literally doubled me every fucking play
Speaker 1: had I had one catch that whole game. But when
Speaker 1: I did play against the Jets, which is a carryover
Speaker 1: with al Gronim and that Belichick had left, but Al
Speaker 1: grow was still there and that was all part of
Speaker 1: the same team, he won catch one yard. When we
Speaker 1: played in Tampa game four or five of that season,
Speaker 1: I had one catch, one yard. It was a fucking
Speaker 1: shovel pass. Everywhere I went, Brian Cox lined up over me,
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn was over the top of him, or or
Speaker 1: Marcus Coleman was on me Or and Aaron Glen was
Speaker 1: over the top of him with Victor Green over it
Speaker 1: was like, dude, seriously, like come on, let me breathe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had one catch, one yard. That might not be
Speaker 1: the worst game I ever had, because I had the
Speaker 1: one in Buffalo where I had nine attempts one catch.
Speaker 1: The bass stuck in my face my rookie year because
Speaker 1: it was so cold.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that exact same thing too. And ours
Speaker 1: was a week seventeen game. I wasn't even supposed to
Speaker 1: play because I was a little banged up and we
Speaker 1: were already thinking we were gonna.
Speaker 2: Win this game and clinch the playoff spot and whatever.
Speaker 1: Halfway through the second quarter, like I don't gonna get
Speaker 1: it in Oh fuck, you know, everybody said, getting gloved
Speaker 1: up and shit hit by everyone.
Speaker 2: Contact every play guy over here. Guy, it's the same.
Speaker 1: But Parcels was a guy man, He just he just
Speaker 1: got it. He knew what time it was, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He was the reason I actually a
Speaker 1: real reason, one of the main reasons I retired when
Speaker 1: I did, because I left probably five years on the table.
Speaker 1: But like he told me, you look at the assembly
Speaker 1: line the guys that you came in the league with
Speaker 1: they're getting off and there's new guys like, for instance,
Speaker 1: Julian Lleman, that's getting.
Speaker 2: Off young ones. What do you what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Are you know one Championshi, You've made tons of months
Speaker 1: like what are you chasing? And that told me says, Okay,
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: What am I chasing?
Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and go into TV. That's why
Speaker 1: I went to ESPN because him and I went to
Speaker 1: ESPN together. Then he left the next year, he left
Speaker 1: and went to Miami to become the president of the team,
Speaker 1: and him and I talked about me becoming the general manager,
Speaker 1: but it would be economic suicide based on TV, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been the first black general manager. So
Speaker 1: it was kind of like I said, man, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm stay in TV.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: He wanted me to come back and play and play
Speaker 1: along with Ted Gin Junior and all these dudes and
Speaker 1: also be part of the front office. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I went down, did the visit, did the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and I just said, Nah, you know what, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay on TV. I think I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: all right. It's it's nice when you wake up after
Speaker 1: work and you're not hurt, you're not sore. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the older you get, regardless of everyone would anyone wants
Speaker 1: to say, how freak about when you're thirty three years old,
Speaker 1: thirty four years old?
Speaker 2: They hurt?
Speaker 1: But see, I was a I get bored fast, right.
Speaker 1: It ain't even wasn't even the injuries because I've never
Speaker 1: really been injured, right, it was just being bored sitting
Speaker 1: there listening to him talk to him about bunch ride
Speaker 1: two hundred jets smoke.
Speaker 2: I don't want to fucking hear that. Show what that is?
Speaker 2: Same shit.
Speaker 1: I don't want to look there, and I don't need
Speaker 1: that talk to him, but you're talking to me. I
Speaker 1: gotta sit in the room.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: Let me just rest.
Speaker 3: That's what Randy Moss used to say. I don't say
Speaker 3: chatty l. These fucking meetings are gonna retire me. It's
Speaker 3: like the widest thing when you played in the league
Speaker 3: a long time. There's only so much shit you can learn.
Speaker 3: How much am I gonna see? Oh he's got inside leverage,
Speaker 3: here's what he gonna do. I know what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: How many times offensive line coach gonna yell inside out,
Speaker 1: inside out? Yep?
Speaker 3: How many times you can hear that inside out hip
Speaker 3: to hip on a fucking double team. I'm not even alignment.
Speaker 3: I know that because I heard it so much.
Speaker 1: Hip the hip, hip the hip inside, get up on
Speaker 1: the second level, scraping over the top. Make sure you
Speaker 1: stay inside out. Don't let him force you like man,
Speaker 1: I don't look talk to him.
Speaker 3: It's a lot, though, it is, It really is. People
Speaker 3: don't realize that about pro sport, pro football. It's it's
Speaker 3: like you're in school. You only practice two hours. You're
Speaker 3: only outside for two hours. Everything else is fucking preparation.
Speaker 3: There's all the eggs in one basket. You only have
Speaker 3: seventeen games. So these coaches, they're fucking crazy and they
Speaker 3: prepare for everything.
Speaker 1: I used to tell Bill because we we lit. Y'all
Speaker 1: may have did it in uh New England. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we would practice on fucking Christmas or practice on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: It we wouldn't have meetings after that was the nice thing.
Speaker 1: But dude, we want to go home. We have families.
Speaker 1: Just because you don't want to tell us said, just
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be home with your wife.
Speaker 1: Don't mean I don't want to be home with my family.
Speaker 1: Like seriously, what does say to you, Well, you just
Speaker 1: worry about Ty lowd you know some shit like that.
Speaker 1: You know something like do you just worry about Ty Law?
Speaker 1: You got the tie law flew this week. I know
Speaker 1: because at one time I did play this New Dan.
Speaker 1: I had like one hundred and it's probably like one
Speaker 1: hundred and four hundred and five was fucked up. I
Speaker 1: was toe up and uh, you know the media blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. He shining in practice, he got the tie
Speaker 1: law flew.
Speaker 2: The fuck I'm getting me to die talking about.
Speaker 1: How is thy line playing against him? He's physical?
Speaker 2: Huh, he was physical, but I was.
Speaker 1: A physical receiver. You're a big It was great. New
Speaker 1: England fans hated me because I didn't do nothing to
Speaker 1: talk shit and I just murdered New England. I used
Speaker 1: to murder them. That was the worst thing they could
Speaker 1: ever seen coming through the building. No real talk google it.
Speaker 1: Ty was like one of my one of my good
Speaker 1: friends that probably shouldn't have been a good friend being
Speaker 1: an opponent. So one time I run a jab one
Speaker 1: forty four x post play action boom. So I sell
Speaker 1: the all the out yeah to back to the post
Speaker 1: the ball and he hits me. He tackles me, but
Speaker 1: he helps me up in the fucking new ingid you know,
Speaker 1: fucking I said something about you plug and playing your
Speaker 1: dad and everybody went crazy's going on the fuck? I
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. I just said, these a nice receiver,
Speaker 1: the best one that they've had, plug and play. But anyway,
Speaker 1: the whole whatever, that radio station is up there. They
Speaker 1: went crazy. So yeah, ty Law helps me and the
Speaker 1: people went crazy, Oh, he's kicking your ass. And because
Speaker 1: we beat him in whatever, he's like, he's kicking your
Speaker 1: ass and you're helping him up off the fucking ground.
Speaker 1: This is not you know, New England football.
Speaker 2: Like, dude, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like I helped him up. He's a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Were playing in Pro Bowls together. We were Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: MVPs together, like stop. But it's just a crazy thing.
Speaker 1: But he was real, you know, he was physical and
Speaker 1: good though he was a good He was one of
Speaker 1: the better. Obviously he's a Hall of Famer, but he
Speaker 1: was one of different when y'all played than when we
Speaker 1: played even though you called us on the back end,
Speaker 1: tail end of our careers. The cornerbacks, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: were way better when I was playing than they are
Speaker 1: like now, because it was true travel man the man corners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just nowadays it's zone. He's got one guy
Speaker 1: who's really good at the corner, but he's got a
Speaker 1: and you got three receives. I got to pick a receiver,
Speaker 1: where then it was three corners. It was I mean
Speaker 1: three receivers. It was three corners that could just go
Speaker 1: no matter what I mean, you know what I'm saying. No,
Speaker 1: I I agree a little bit with that. There was
Speaker 1: a lot more man.
Speaker 2: It's way more man.
Speaker 1: So like there's only in my generation. The only really
Speaker 1: guy that did it was Reeves probably did it. Revs
Speaker 1: is the only guy that would follow that travel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would followed guys because see you called tie at
Speaker 1: the end, but that was you know, that's old tie.
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm saying, baby was older. He
Speaker 2: was older.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the game also changed because the rules won two,
Speaker 1: A lot of these people went to this we call
Speaker 1: it the ceat six, which is like a match zone
Speaker 1: where these corners they had like the Sherman, the Sherman defense, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where they had these long ass corners where they play
Speaker 1: off and they play with their eyes in the back
Speaker 1: of the can break because they have helper and they
Speaker 1: really but it's it's like a man match. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the game kind of changed. You know, no one's hitting
Speaker 1: anyone anymore.
Speaker 2: It's it's I would.
Speaker 1: Agree with Tyde with Field though, yeah, Chap with all
Speaker 1: them dudes with Field. But then back in them days though,
Speaker 1: and I hate to say back in the day because
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's like fifty five years ago, but
Speaker 1: I remember we're playing Kansas City. Kansas City was one
Speaker 1: of my worst outputs to uh. They got three corners.
Speaker 1: They had this guy named Dale Carter who was could
Speaker 1: have been the best corner ever in the history, but
Speaker 1: he just was dell. Uh. And then they had James
Speaker 1: Hasty's Hastys was as big as me. And they had
Speaker 1: a guy named Mighty Mouse that was probably half your size.
Speaker 1: The physical quick, No, he just was quick. So when
Speaker 1: I broke the huddle, so all week long, we're game
Speaker 1: planning for me to get deal Carter because Dale Carter
Speaker 1: was long. He was six' two and he was you,
Speaker 1: know a freaking nature and athletic and the whole. Deal
Speaker 1: all week, long were thinking we getting Del. Carter so
Speaker 1: we go To Kansas. City we break the huddle first
Speaker 1: AND i looked And hastys is going with my, fuck
Speaker 1: let's see now the fuck it's just getting ready to
Speaker 1: be ugly because he was so big and, strong physical and.
Speaker 2: Good he was.
Speaker 1: Good Brandon, brown it was so. GOOD i was over,
Speaker 1: there chicken, fight. MAN i got so frustrated in the
Speaker 1: game THAT i called. IT i caused a pick. Six
Speaker 1: the damn the cost us the game BECAUSE i couldn't get.
Speaker 1: OPEN i just.
Speaker 2: Could it was.
Speaker 1: RAINING i couldn't get. Open so we in a three
Speaker 1: BY i think it was. It it was an empty empty.
Speaker 1: Left that's, right it was empty left seventy four shout
Speaker 1: tosser a seventy five. YEARS i was in the three by.
Speaker 1: TWO i was the middle. Guy so we went one.
Speaker 1: TWO i was the middle. GUY i don't remember who's
Speaker 1: on the out out that chills versus, Two SO i
Speaker 1: BUT i, did you're in the. Shout, No i'm on
Speaker 1: The tosster's, slant so slant boom. Shout so Now corebet
Speaker 1: was the Was corbett the third guy a three slot
Speaker 1: running the ten yard shout. Route he was over there
Speaker 1: with us on. It he was on the he was
Speaker 1: on the slat. Side but WHAT i did IS i
Speaker 1: crossed face in front instead of, going, no you went.
Speaker 1: BEHIND i went behind instead of in, front always go in.
Speaker 1: FRONT i went. Behind because that's the first time and
Speaker 1: the last time that's ever. Happened the first time and
Speaker 1: the last. Time vine tests already dark custom pick six
Speaker 1: going the other. Way we damned to lose the, game
Speaker 1: BUT i was SO i couldn't get. OPEN i fucking go.
Speaker 1: Behind Donnie edward was, jumped falls off Of, couebette and
Speaker 1: THEN i fell off Of. Corbett picked six the other,
Speaker 1: Way and when it, HAPPENED i just was, like holy,
Speaker 1: FUCK i just lost the. Game dog cuss me.
Speaker 2: Out you, know you fucked, up.
Speaker 1: DUDE i never did it, again never had that issue.
Speaker 1: Again but It's football's, fun you. Know did you always
Speaker 1: remember your first dog custs on the tosser and that
Speaker 1: getting across the face BECAUSE i NEVER i was always
Speaker 1: the outside. Guy the last guy was the third. Guy,
Speaker 1: well they're probably trying to get, you and then we're
Speaker 1: trying your. Decors many Times i've been. Decoyed so, yeah
Speaker 1: because if you're crossing face and trying to open up
Speaker 1: that every cross cross behind AND i FUCKING i don't
Speaker 1: know what made me go.
Speaker 3: Behind you know how many times we? RAN i, mean
Speaker 3: it's so funny to hear shout. Tosster that's our offense.
Speaker 1: Too it's coming from seventy five shot tosser empty, right,
Speaker 1: uh semis eighty, Two semi eighty, Three semi called it
Speaker 1: seam thirty, five ride thirty, five base thirty, four base
Speaker 1: thirty four and then one thirty four would be the
Speaker 1: action one thirty four protect max protect one thirty four x.
Speaker 1: Curl you'd have a two man route concept maybe one
Speaker 1: if it's the same offense two act or double TIGHT.
Speaker 2: X we used called number New.
Speaker 1: York it was like our thirteen personnel were to be
Speaker 1: only be one receiver everyone Else New york. Personnel, Yeah New,
Speaker 1: york and that.
Speaker 2: Would be like a key.
Speaker 1: Shot that was what was what was the other? One?
Speaker 1: Was New york was?
Speaker 2: One but what was the one with THE?
Speaker 1: Z New york was The New york was the ex and,
Speaker 1: uh it was the other one was gonna kill. Me
Speaker 1: it was the other one though it was the same.
Speaker 1: Thing it, was was? It but it was a z
Speaker 1: tight z we used to call. It it might have
Speaker 1: been too TIGHT. Z BUT i did. BOTH i did, both.
Speaker 1: YEA i was basically, YEAH i was the big. Dude
Speaker 1: SO i had to put the hand in the, ground
Speaker 1: come in like a fake tied.
Speaker 2: IN i Caught.
Speaker 1: TEDDY i Called Teddy bruski one, time Old ship right
Speaker 1: at the goal, line down on the, ground slammed. Down
Speaker 1: he fucking shot pop out touchdown freebie against The. Patriots thank,
Speaker 1: you old, ship Old. Ship and SO i go to
Speaker 1: the stands AND i give the throat. Slash they outlawed
Speaker 1: that BECAUSE i gave the throat. Slash but this was
Speaker 1: at the, time but that probably wasn't. GOOD i did
Speaker 1: to Do why what was going? ON i think we
Speaker 1: were coming off we were coming out of the whole OLD. J,
Speaker 1: simmons the whole.
Speaker 2: Deal, Yeah So.
Speaker 1: Brett farv had did it that same. Week farv did
Speaker 1: it that same, week AND i did it that same.
Speaker 1: Week in the league was, like no more throw slashes, Please,
Speaker 1: yeah too many throw Fashion we'll cut it. Man nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: Nine Ricky williams of The Heisman, trophy what a. Monster
Speaker 1: he was should have gone TO sc though he's From San. Diego,
Speaker 1: yeah that's. True he almost, came BUT i Guess texas paid.
Speaker 1: MORE i heard he took a pay cut to get
Speaker 1: to the league for his first few. Years probably you
Speaker 1: KNOW TD. Mvp he was a monster for that like
Speaker 1: a six year. Span it was Just Treel. Davis we
Speaker 1: played against them THE Afc championship. Game Randy moss Was
Speaker 1: rookie of The year this. Year what a STUD i
Speaker 1: played With randon he, Was he was a. Monster what
Speaker 1: do you think Of randy? Freak Freak Just i've never
Speaker 1: seen somebody so tall be able to run so fluid. Fluid,
Speaker 1: yeah it doesn't even look like he's.
Speaker 2: Running ALMOST sc.
Speaker 1: Two, well, yeah that. Close he went to the he
Speaker 1: had a crazy. Story, yeah but he but when he
Speaker 1: got bounced out of Either Florida state or know the,
Speaker 1: name he was gonna come TO. Sc BUT i don't
Speaker 1: THINK i think we just said, NAH i never mind
Speaker 1: because he was gonna. Come it played with, me but
Speaker 1: they were just, LIKE i think it was the whole
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even that, horrible, Right it's just not to,
Speaker 1: me it's Not it's nothing Near, okay you get into a.
Speaker 2: Fight, YEAH i mean it's not that big of a.
Speaker 1: Deal n Il are you staying all and if you
Speaker 1: were in nil, Life, yeah are you staying at sc all?
Speaker 1: Year you going to Heightst.
Speaker 2: Bidder i'm staying at sea all? Year all.
Speaker 1: Clear the reason is is because we could, pay AND i.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't i'm a loyal. Person i'm not a bouncing around.
Speaker 1: Guy like you know What i'm, Saying, Like i'm not
Speaker 1: gonna leave just because somebody offering, me you, know four
Speaker 1: million versus two and a. Half i'm not gonna jump
Speaker 1: and run Because i'm a loyal. Guy, PLUS i value.
Speaker 1: EDUCATION usc is. Educator we run the state Of. California
Speaker 1: luma lums were all over the so you.
Speaker 2: Know What i'm.
Speaker 1: Saying so it's a little bit different, dynamic and they
Speaker 1: we we will, pay but it would have been very.
Speaker 1: EXPENSIVE i probably would have been we were, TALKING i
Speaker 1: was having this conversation not too long. AGO i probably
Speaker 1: was based on with all these arch mannings and ship like,
Speaker 1: that GETTING i probably was a.
Speaker 2: Ten million dollar guy a.
Speaker 1: Year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah IF i.
Speaker 1: Had to equate that what number? Receiver you, know it's
Speaker 1: a different got a certain Look i'm from L. A
Speaker 1: you know What i'm, saying kind of got a nice
Speaker 1: look to me and SH i probably would HAVE i
Speaker 1: would BECAUSE i bawled out my sophomore year at. College
Speaker 1: but you went to a smaller, school SO i would
Speaker 1: have went To. Oregon that's What i'm. Saying you would have,
Speaker 1: left you'd have. LAUGHED i would have went to the pack.
Speaker 1: Town of, course would have. Left but it will be
Speaker 1: smart for you to, leave leave in usc to go?
Speaker 1: Where well where AM i going To? Alabama going to
Speaker 1: all of Fuck? Obama me going To? Alabama brother from
Speaker 1: The west. Coast hell, no the bag was way. Bigger
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna be. Much oh that's Your that's that's.
Speaker 1: True we can pay what we want to pay when
Speaker 1: we want to pay, It so who we want to pay?
Speaker 1: It two IN I l wasn't IN I. L BUT
Speaker 1: i still got WHAT i needed even though it wasn't
Speaker 1: INN I. L you see What i'm, saying wing.
Speaker 2: Wing and then ALSO i mean as, see, hey they
Speaker 2: have some of the.
Speaker 1: Most they have like the most, heismans, RIGHT i think
Speaker 1: we do by like one by, one like Maybe Ohio
Speaker 1: state or. Something what's The mount rushmore OF usc football. Players,
Speaker 1: man it's it'd be tough to build one because we
Speaker 1: so deep. Deep, yeah we don't even Celebrate All american
Speaker 1: status unless your number, one unless you're first team and
Speaker 1: you have to be Like Walter camp or ap or
Speaker 1: one of those. Type it can't be Like Julian Elleman's
Speaker 1: All american First team he. Voted they wouldn't even did
Speaker 1: give you a plaque because we got too many for,
Speaker 1: years like we don't even Have we don't even retire
Speaker 1: jerseys unless you win The.
Speaker 2: Heisman it's a real estate problem.
Speaker 1: There it's just it's crazy, Though like you couldn't be
Speaker 1: When Tom brady And Julia adam Is All American. Team,
Speaker 1: okay that's, cool but they're not going to honor you for.
Speaker 2: That you.
Speaker 1: Know that's just how The that's how university. Is it's
Speaker 1: just a weird. Deal off the top top four right, now,
Speaker 1: though who do you think immediately you can put yourself
Speaker 1: In I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm ian automatically, though that's.
Speaker 1: Easy got Unanimous all pac twelve one hundred anniversary, team
Speaker 1: like only dude to get. It only only one out of,
Speaker 1: everybody only one out of all the great. Players you're
Speaker 1: the top three that are sitting up on That man
Speaker 1: mountain with. You but, no, Boss i'm, serious it's hard
Speaker 1: because of the history and the day there Who Mark's,
Speaker 1: Allen that's.
Speaker 2: What i'm just. HARD i just gonna go by era because.
Speaker 1: Think about this, Though, Julian Ronnie, Lot, okay so let's just,
Speaker 1: say let's just Say Ronnie, Lott anthony Munjos Lin, Swan Marcus,
Speaker 1: allen what About Troy? Polamolo what About Keshawn? Johnson what
Speaker 1: About Carson? Palmer what about you, know, like it's just, Hard,
Speaker 1: reggie but like it's can't even you could do. IT
Speaker 1: i think we do it more by position than we
Speaker 1: do by The mount. Rushmot we do ours more by
Speaker 1: position in the theme. Park there's No mount rushmore sighting for.
Speaker 1: Us see They so when you start saying best running,
Speaker 1: back now that's. Easier Marcus, allen what About Reggie? Bush,
Speaker 1: Okay Reggie bush?
Speaker 2: Too you know you Just Charles.
Speaker 1: White you, know it's just, like but then when you
Speaker 1: get the receivers hands, down we all know who that.
Speaker 2: Is so it didn't even.
Speaker 1: Question it's mus not even close him. Close let's go not.
Speaker 1: Close i'm you, Know i'm an air. Game but still not.
Speaker 1: Close it's not it's not. Close so let's jump into this, Game.
Speaker 1: Jackie let's do. It let's do.
Speaker 2: It should hit These.
Speaker 1: Jags first hit these These jags eleven and five and.
Speaker 4: Went they're fourth year in. Existence they came in in
Speaker 4: ninety five with The. PANTHERS i remember that as an expansion.
Speaker 4: Team Tom coughlin Shawl uh from the beginning to NOW
Speaker 4: gm as well.
Speaker 1: Drafted Fred taylor ninth over all this, year Rookie. Fred
Speaker 1: this year he had played With Freddy Beast REGGIE. B.
Speaker 4: Barlow this was back when they were in THE Afc
Speaker 4: Central for all you conference heads out, there uh when
Speaker 4: six and two individual games started the year hot five
Speaker 4: and zero and just leading up to, this they had
Speaker 4: quite a bit of, success made the playoffs in their
Speaker 4: first two out of their first three, seasons and they
Speaker 4: were in THE Afc championship in ninety.
Speaker 1: Six which Is keenan mccardill letting the team sixty four,
Speaker 1: CATCHES i mean receive, it but oh, no it's just,
Speaker 1: okay you just got sixty four. SEPTIONSS i thought that
Speaker 1: was the. Leaders now they just got two, Leaders jimmy and.
Speaker 1: Him Well, jimmy he Had, jimmy he had eleven hundred,
Speaker 1: yards eight. Tugs we gotta put some show on these.
Speaker 1: Guys mark crazy, though seventy eight catches and sixty four
Speaker 1: catches back, then be like one hundred and twenty five. Today, yeah, crazy,
Speaker 1: right you know it's crazy that what what Did Fred
Speaker 1: taylor didn't really fred too. Much freda was a. Rookie,
Speaker 1: yeah this is rookie. Year, yeah everybody for twelve hundred. Yards,
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean he had a hell of a rookie.
Speaker 1: Year but you could. Tell probably In belichick's meeting he
Speaker 1: said Of, eland this guy beat.
Speaker 2: Us, yeah, Sure i'm. Sure i'm sure he.
Speaker 1: Did what do you think about when you think of
Speaker 1: This jaguars?
Speaker 2: Team they was. GOOD i mean they were they were right.
Speaker 1: There he just could never get over the hump when
Speaker 1: you look at the. SECONDARY i Remember Aaron beasley came
Speaker 1: out with me From, Virginia West. Virginia, Uh Donovan darius
Speaker 1: With Syracuse Donovan Darius damn that broke my sternum on
Speaker 1: a on a on a turkey hole shot on the
Speaker 1: on the, right on the right, side line out up
Speaker 1: and he hit Me bawn and, AGAIN i still feel
Speaker 1: it to this. DAY i held onto the, ball you.
Speaker 2: Know and it's so.
Speaker 1: Funny his, DAUGHTER i believe his daughter what did was
Speaker 1: his daughter works At. Fox she had put him on
Speaker 1: the phone on me a couple of months. Ago, yeah
Speaker 1: and he we were talking about that hit and then
Speaker 1: he hit me late on the reverse for the. Touchdown oh,
Speaker 1: yeah you were like two steps into the intil he
Speaker 1: hit me. Late but whatever this and you're a Tall
Speaker 1: yeah he's been. Down, Yeah Dion, figures but he got
Speaker 1: the worst on the turkey hole. Shot he the one
Speaker 1: who got the worst sometimes because you're a big ass moe.
Speaker 1: Fucker AND i knew how to absorb the. Hit Dion.
Speaker 1: FIGURES i. REMEMBER i remember all these, dudes LIKE i
Speaker 1: played With Tony biselli in. College, Tony butceelli taught me
Speaker 1: how to. Block what did he, Say just drive my
Speaker 1: feet locking in and just drive my feet. DUMP i
Speaker 1: just did a VOICE myil episode before, this AND i,
Speaker 1: said you don't block with your, hands you block with your.
Speaker 2: Feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it's hand battled to get in. Position AND
Speaker 1: i Tell Mark brunell all the, TIME i picked you be.
Speaker 2: Quiet that's. True Reggie bowler is one of my good.
Speaker 1: Friends now that you did Did parcells say anything About
Speaker 1: coughlin when you remember preparing about this because he just
Speaker 1: because they were all under. Him, yeah he coached with,
Speaker 1: him and here's what they're gonna. Do And Chris palmer
Speaker 1: is a friend of, mine and you know.
Speaker 2: He gave it a whole.
Speaker 1: Spiel, YEAH i can see. It let's break down These.
Speaker 1: Jets get into these twelve and Four New york Four. Jets,
Speaker 1: man it's weird to, say, right that's.
Speaker 2: Crazy twelve and.
Speaker 1: FOUR i did Get we got our ass beat by
Speaker 1: The jets in the. Playoffs, oh San, Chito, yeah San,
Speaker 1: chito go keep. Going, no, man these guys.
Speaker 4: WERE Afc east. Champs this Was Bill parcell's second. Season
Speaker 4: turn that thing around. Quick you remember two years before
Speaker 4: This keishawn's rick year one in. FIFTEEN i mean brutal.
Speaker 2: Stuff that's a.
Speaker 4: Turnaround brought In Curtis martin in the, offseason Signed vinnie Test.
Speaker 4: Verty he'd been let go By BALTIMORE U seven regular
Speaker 4: season wins over eventual playoff, teams which is pretty, Cool,
Speaker 4: like you beat some good competition this.
Speaker 2: Year, uh some dudes on this. Team this was a
Speaker 2: team with some.
Speaker 4: Dudes you Got Wayne, crebbett you Got Keisha, On Kyle,
Speaker 4: brady the tight, End Vinnie, Testa, VERDI i, Mean Pepper.
Speaker 2: Johnson, lewis and then the star.
Speaker 4: Started otis my Man, smith you got like a star
Speaker 4: started coaching staff as you, know you Got Romeo, crenell
Speaker 4: you Got Charlie, weiss you Got Bill, belichick he got
Speaker 4: Al groho he talked about. Earlier the big tune is
Speaker 4: your head coach hadn't been to hadn't won a playoff
Speaker 4: game in twelve, years hadn't made the playoffs in Nine
Speaker 4: so this was.
Speaker 2: Big, no this was this was a big. Deal this
Speaker 2: is a big.
Speaker 1: Game we'll be right back after this quick. Break how
Speaker 1: Was Aaron glenn as a? Teammate do you know he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a head? Coach current head coach on the.
Speaker 1: TEAM i didn't know he would be a head coach
Speaker 1: until later on in his coaching. Career great, TEAMMATE i,
Speaker 1: mean it's like one of my. Boys but didn't not
Speaker 1: really looked at. HIM i thought maybe oldest would have
Speaker 1: been a head, Coach Jerome henderson would have been a head,
Speaker 1: coach those type of dudes who've been head, coaches NOT.
Speaker 1: AG i didn't THINK ag was gonna be a head. Coach,
Speaker 1: HEY i just didn't SEE i just did see him.
Speaker 1: Coaching he just. Didn't he never used. To he never
Speaker 1: used to. COACH i Knew Brian cox would be a
Speaker 1: coach because he was always fucking, coaching especially like.
Speaker 2: Me he would coach me and to go cuts out the.
Speaker 1: Coaches he would literally be, like not tell, them, motherfucker
Speaker 1: to get your ball man, on fucking you, know key,
Speaker 1: man tell them.
Speaker 2: Off and he was cussing the coaches out. Too it was.
Speaker 1: It this was, like out of all the teams THAT
Speaker 1: i played, on this was was WHERE i had my most.
Speaker 1: Fun was this this unit with these guys you're young
Speaker 1: girls show you're still, yeah but just the, personalities like the,
Speaker 1: camaraderie a lot of, dogs a lot of, dolls but
Speaker 1: there was a there was a there was literally like
Speaker 1: to work hard if you're with Personal, yeah this was
Speaker 1: A this was a serious, camaraderie team building type. Situation
Speaker 1: where other teams THAT i played, on it was it was,
Speaker 1: clickish but all of us would hang, together whether it Was,
Speaker 1: richie whether it Was Ray, lucas whether it was Even,
Speaker 1: quebec even even uh Dietrich. Ward Obviously Chris Vick Marcus,
Speaker 1: Coleman uh you, know uh Mole. FAERRY i just was
Speaker 1: with Ferri er not too long. Ago like we all
Speaker 1: would fucking go after the, games all go to the
Speaker 1: clubs and party and it was just a it was it.
Speaker 1: Was it was a just a crazy, thing. Man but
Speaker 1: the interesting thing Is bill would have me followed by,
Speaker 1: Security like the security team would follow me WHEREVER i.
Speaker 1: Go AND i come back the next day and be,
Speaker 1: like how was that chicken prom? Palm how did that?
Speaker 2: Go fucking?
Speaker 1: Fuck so one DAY i was In New, jersey And
Speaker 1: New jersey from our practice, facilities probably in, traffic was
Speaker 1: probably three hour drive or whatever the case. Is SO
Speaker 1: i was messing with a gal at this time that
Speaker 1: Was she's laughing THAT i probably.
Speaker 2: Wasn't.
Speaker 1: MARRIED i probably shouldn't have been messing with let's just
Speaker 1: say that probably should should have waited a little bit
Speaker 1: longer to deal with. That SO i get back to the.
Speaker 1: Facility he, goes what were you doing In? Jersey that's
Speaker 1: the way he, Talked what were you doing In? Jersey
Speaker 1: what do you?
Speaker 2: Mean what WAS i? DOING i wasn't In.
Speaker 1: Jersey don't you lie to?
Speaker 2: ME i, said what you're talking.
Speaker 1: About, bill don't you drive a green navigated one of those.
Speaker 1: TRUCKS i, said, YEAH i. Drive he, says, well you
Speaker 1: stupid or you? Dumb said what the? FUCK i, said,
Speaker 1: coach what are you talking? About you were over That broad's.
Speaker 1: House i'm, Like, bill are you talking? About are you?
Speaker 1: Stupid she's not even officially divorced. Yet i'm, like what the?
Speaker 1: Fuck you should port your car in the? Garage you
Speaker 1: got your parked. OUTSIDE i ain't know everything you this
Speaker 1: Is i'm telling you the, Truth. Jules And i'm, like
Speaker 1: this motherfucker Really and So i'm, like SO i was
Speaker 1: mad basically the whole. Week SO i wouldn't even talk to. Him,
Speaker 1: SEE i played games with. HIM i literally like some
Speaker 1: of my ex, teammates if you ever get a chance.
Speaker 1: TO i used to play games with the. Coaches you,
Speaker 1: know coaches try to act you have a bad, game
Speaker 1: and they try to act like they wan't to talk to.
Speaker 1: You they you, know they don't say but two. Words
Speaker 1: that's HOW i used to treat. Them i'd go warm,
Speaker 1: up put my cliques. ON i won't talk to. HIM
Speaker 1: i go stand over, there stretched by. Myself what's wrong
Speaker 1: with him?
Speaker 2: Today nothing?
Speaker 1: Wrong, Man i'm good AND i walk. Away they try
Speaker 1: to bring ME i want to tell you something about this.
Speaker 1: ROUTE i, go, okay, cool, Go BUT i freeze them
Speaker 1: out like they would do. Us and so that whole
Speaker 1: WEEK i didn't say a word to him at. All
Speaker 1: and you can tell he knew. That he made me
Speaker 1: mad by Sending Steve, yarnell which was our security, guy
Speaker 1: sent some of their investigators to follow. Me they used
Speaker 1: to follow literally follow us all In New York city and.
Speaker 1: Everything but that's WHY i love.
Speaker 2: You though it, was it was some of the.
Speaker 1: Best it was some of the best those, times some
Speaker 1: of the. Best, man your a big investment. Dog, no
Speaker 1: but you intment you don't need to. Have i'm. NOT i.
Speaker 1: Don't first of, ALL i don't do. DRUGS i. BARELY
Speaker 1: i don't even THINK i was drinking at this. Time
Speaker 1: it's not about, that.
Speaker 2: Though you, know what if what if NO i did?
Speaker 1: It what if someone comes IN i, KNOW i get.
Speaker 2: IT i probably shouldn't be the green.
Speaker 1: Navigator, PROBABLY i don't. Know probably some parcels got two
Speaker 1: dudes out, there gotting them for.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: No, True, no it's, true it's. True it's. True it's.
Speaker 1: True i'm gonna say it's, true probably shouldn't have done,
Speaker 1: that but what are you gonna, say you? Young it
Speaker 1: was one of the. Things it's, like, oh what Was
Speaker 1: Wayne kerbett like like a? Teammate wayne was cool. Man
Speaker 1: he was just a normal guy who worked his little tail, off,
Speaker 1: overachiever deserves literally everything that he. Got and we we
Speaker 1: played together and we it's a crazy thing because we
Speaker 1: used to go, out we, drove we went To Atlantic
Speaker 1: city in the limousine. Together and this was after my,
Speaker 1: Book this is like in ninety, eight and, shit.
Speaker 2: It just he.
Speaker 1: Was he was cool, man hard, worker you. Know he
Speaker 1: was a hard, working little little son of a. GUN
Speaker 1: i call him the original uh they call him slot.
Speaker 1: Father what's the fucking guy that played In New? England
Speaker 1: Wes Wes. Welker, yeah he the Original Wes welker. Type
Speaker 1: he was a good little, dude, scrappy fight his ass,
Speaker 1: off you. Know and the thing with me and him
Speaker 1: is the media In New York West coast Versus east,
Speaker 1: coast white versus, black big personality versus little little. Hometown he,
Speaker 1: wrote they took that and ran with it and they created.
Speaker 1: IT i remember, That, yeah they created BECAUSE i but
Speaker 1: in all, FAIRNESS i probably shouldn't have called him a
Speaker 1: mascot in my, book but but it.
Speaker 2: WASN'T i didn't look at it as a as a
Speaker 2: Disc that's not WHAT i looked at.
Speaker 1: It they looked at like he's. Done he the path
Speaker 1: Of like he's the flag. Carrier he's the guy, that
Speaker 1: no matter what goes, wrong he's a. Jet he's a fucking,
Speaker 1: jet through and. Through that's the WAY i looked at.
Speaker 1: Carrier but they in the media didn't look at it that.
Speaker 1: Way they looked at it his Brash West coast flip
Speaker 1: flop Wearing bord shork t. Shirt guy comes in driving
Speaker 1: ferrari our guy who works, hard carries a lunch pail
Speaker 1: From New. JERSEY i dare, You that's the way they
Speaker 1: looked at, it you. KNOW i was, like WHATEVER i
Speaker 1: saw That cribs episode of way In. Corbett he has
Speaker 1: some cars now crib a couple and. Vets he had a.
Speaker 2: Bent but that was the.
Speaker 1: Difference so that right there is WHY i became the
Speaker 1: number one overall. Pick it wasn't just my football. Skills
Speaker 1: it was everything THAT i brought to the. Organization WHEN
Speaker 1: i first got to The, jets them, jokers was wearing
Speaker 1: jeans and boots and driving. Trucks all of a, SUDDEN i,
Speaker 1: Come i'm suited and. BOOTED i got the ear, RINGS
Speaker 1: i got the Diamond. Rolexis i'm living a certain. Life
Speaker 1: Driving ferraris In New York, city it was just a
Speaker 1: Different you see What i'm.
Speaker 2: Saying you know what the kids call?
Speaker 1: That, now what's that? Swag and they say you Got? Aura,
Speaker 1: WELL i had a plus swag right Plus, riz you
Speaker 1: Know riz. Baby and so all of a, sudden that,
Speaker 1: team all those dudes. Change they start Driving, Ferraris, Porschees,
Speaker 1: Mercedes being's. Trucks they just started doing all that. SHIT
Speaker 1: i mean they were also one in, fifteen two and.
Speaker 1: Fourteen when you go eight and eight and you start
Speaker 1: making the, Playoffs jungers gonna put. Sate you never had
Speaker 1: this experience to be able to go into a city
Speaker 1: and you get ready to go in the restaurant and
Speaker 1: they close the window on. You, no it's closed and
Speaker 1: open because you. Suck they wouldn't even let you win
Speaker 1: In New. York i've had that experience.
Speaker 2: Before it's.
Speaker 1: Brutal we, Go we're, like, oh how you? Go they're,
Speaker 1: like oh, no we. Closed we it's like couple being
Speaker 1: you serious right? NOW i just see all lady of five.
Speaker 1: People it's nine. O'clock, men It's New York. City because
Speaker 1: they wouldn't even let a scene because we were so
Speaker 1: bad they didn't want our. Business, wow we were bad
Speaker 1: though at one, fifteen you're not. Here, no we're good.
Speaker 1: There let's jump into. It let's see JACK. U let's
Speaker 1: break this game. Down so The jets were coming in this.
Speaker 1: Thing the two seed got to buy finished year in
Speaker 1: a six game win. Streak they were, hot The jags new,
Speaker 1: team but up and coming balling couldn't quite get over that.
Speaker 4: Hump As keishawan said, earlier first time they won their,
Speaker 4: division they were the three seed coming off a wild card,
Speaker 4: round went over The patriots twenty five to. Ten faltered
Speaker 4: a little bit down the, stretch lost two of their
Speaker 4: last three in the regular.
Speaker 1: Season oh and this Was Bill parcells's first.
Speaker 4: Game As jets head coach in the playoffs And kishon's
Speaker 4: first playoff.
Speaker 1: Game, SEE i didn't even know what the two seed
Speaker 1: meant back because so. Young, YEAH i didn't even the
Speaker 1: magnitude of getting the two. Seed, really it's, like, oh
Speaker 1: we're in the, playoffs he got the two. Seed, okay
Speaker 1: we got a home. GAME i didn't really ain't a
Speaker 1: buye yeah a. BYE i really didn't die later on
Speaker 1: in my, career how important that ship. Was, well when you're,
Speaker 1: older you need it more. Too, yeah because you need
Speaker 1: the health you know you, need you need that extra.
Speaker 1: Time now what do you doing bye week with with?
Speaker 1: Parcels did you give you a tough bye? Week or
Speaker 1: you guys full blue and white game like we used
Speaker 1: to do full. Scrimmage now we didn't, scrimmage but we
Speaker 1: would have practice and a whole deal and in pads
Speaker 1: and run it back and do you know started back
Speaker 1: from the. Top you fucked? Up blah blah, blah same.
Speaker 1: Thing two days would be really. Hard give you a
Speaker 1: few days off then come. Back so we would we
Speaker 1: would try to figure out when we actually had off,
Speaker 1: EVERYONE i, mean but they wouldn't tell me never never.
Speaker 2: Never sneaky coaching Because bill used to do that ship with.
Speaker 1: Us BUT i Had But i've always had. Moles mold
Speaker 1: you gotta Have i've always had a. Mold you always
Speaker 1: have a mole always BECAUSE i was always cool to,
Speaker 1: Everybody like, Right i'm taking care of, DUDES i always got.
Speaker 1: It so they you, know, Like i'm not supposed to say,
Speaker 1: this BUT i think you guys are off On friday back,
Speaker 1: month you know that type of, thing and who's who's
Speaker 1: more like some of the coaching staff's your, staff but
Speaker 1: they could be a G. A i could be an assistant.
Speaker 2: COACH i was.
Speaker 1: CLOSE i was close With Todd, hayley my receiver coachure
Speaker 1: that's like my. Brother And bill knew, that so he
Speaker 1: wouldn't even. Tell he wouldn't Tell todd certain ship trying
Speaker 1: to find out who the rast it's one. Time, UH
Speaker 1: i don't know If New england they ever did this.
Speaker 1: Before so we're actually getting ready to Play New. England
Speaker 1: this is the The Foxy lady. Game this is no
Speaker 1: this is this is Either Tuna bowl one Or Tuna bowl.
Speaker 2: Two, Okay, bears yeah he did.
Speaker 1: You, know you, Know bears was my he was my. Guy,
Speaker 1: yeah and Then bill took him from. You, Yeah bill
Speaker 1: took him from.
Speaker 2: Me bears started with how was he back?
Speaker 1: Then he, Was, yeah he was my age, basically but
Speaker 1: he was he worked, hard but he was my. Guy
Speaker 1: IF i went, left he left went, right he went.
Speaker 1: Right you wanted to get me On julian. Show you
Speaker 1: have to talk to. Him you, know he was with
Speaker 1: me at the press. Conferences HE i was essentially training
Speaker 1: him For belichick the whole entire time on. You yeah,
Speaker 1: no but he BUT i Told bill to hire him
Speaker 1: when because we all left at the same. Time So i'm,
Speaker 1: like this is who you need because that press conference
Speaker 1: you had was harseship with that. Note you know you
Speaker 1: gotta hire my. Dude and, so oh, SHIT i forgot
Speaker 1: my tray to thought WHAT i was About Tula. Bowl
Speaker 1: so The Tuna. Bowl AND i don't know If belichick
Speaker 1: ever did. This so we're we're, practicing and now practice is.
Speaker 1: Sloppy he got so pissed he snatched the call sheets and.
Speaker 1: Everything he made all the, PLAYERS i mean all the
Speaker 1: coaches get off the. Field he made the fucking guy
Speaker 1: from the tower come, down stop. Taping practice is. Over
Speaker 1: if you motherfuckers want to win and you want to,
Speaker 1: practice say out, here do the ship your fucking. Self
Speaker 1: they started leaving the, coaches leaving he upstairs at this little.
Speaker 1: Window you could see him opening the curtain every now
Speaker 1: and trying to see. Us he want to see.
Speaker 2: Us we're.
Speaker 1: Practicing Because vinnie and Beat cox and they have The
Speaker 1: yeah we got, yeah, yeah the whole, deal the whole. Deal,
Speaker 1: yeah the whole, deal the whole. Deal and we made the.
Speaker 1: Film guys go back up and start the. Film so
Speaker 1: they watched the, tape you, know coaches with the, bullshit
Speaker 1: they watched the. TAPE i just was, like these motherfuckers
Speaker 1: and we went up The fox boll beat the ship
Speaker 1: out Of Pete.
Speaker 2: Carroll yeah we beat them. Bad oh, yeah we beat them.
Speaker 2: BAD i think The bowl, TWO i think, yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: the first close first. ONE i think like like a
Speaker 2: like a last minute. TOUCHDOWN i hit the.
Speaker 1: CORNER i hit The Max cafe X. Q i was
Speaker 1: THE x on The Max cafe at the deep deep
Speaker 1: corner in the back of the END z on the
Speaker 1: left hand.
Speaker 2: SIRE i know my ship with the overtime and there
Speaker 2: is some special team stuff. Here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah John hall missed the field, goal the walk
Speaker 1: off field. GOAL i Love John hall smoked that. Weed
Speaker 1: that was my, kicker hey. Kicker, yeah he was. Cool
Speaker 1: he wasn't a.
Speaker 2: Kicker he was a.
Speaker 1: Dude, well we had a we had a couple of those.
Speaker 1: Guys he was a guy like he was one of our.
Speaker 1: Boys you know What i'm, saying there's always. One there's
Speaker 1: always a kicker or punter that can hang with. Them
Speaker 1: back in that, day they hated. More, yeah but you
Speaker 1: gotta think back in that, day he was so cool
Speaker 1: and he liked the black. Girls and he's a white,
Speaker 1: kicker and he wanted to hang out with us because
Speaker 1: he liked the black. Chicks you know What i'm. Saying,
Speaker 1: no we don't. Care but back in that, day you,
Speaker 1: know but you, know times have changed a. Lot when he,
Speaker 1: said once you go, black you never go. Back man Oh, man.
Speaker 2: Shout Out John, all shout Out, jay.
Speaker 1: Heazy But bill Was bill's Benf this, team this brings back.
Speaker 1: Mebe this is a fun. Team all, right what a
Speaker 1: good group of. Dudes let's jump into the.
Speaker 2: Game all.
Speaker 4: Right we just got a little quote From keishan here
Speaker 4: to foreshadow of this. Thing week leading up to the,
Speaker 4: Game keishawan, SAID i want to be the guy on every, play, running, catching, blocking.
Speaker 4: Whatever and we saw that today in this literally From
Speaker 4: kishan with the stat line insane comes out. Hot vinnie
Speaker 4: finds Keish on in that twenty one yard see right
Speaker 4: down in the middle of, there. Touchdown John hall then
Speaker 4: as on a fifty two, yarder at the, time the
Speaker 4: longest field goal In jets playoff. History, wow a little
Speaker 4: fun fact for the special.
Speaker 2: Teamers, YAH i didn't know he had a fifty two
Speaker 2: yard got up ten.
Speaker 4: Nothing then we get to one of the wilder moments
Speaker 4: of the, game whereas Where kishaw's fumble recovery comes From
Speaker 4: Curtis martin fumble. Weird Chris hudson returns the, ball tries
Speaker 4: to do a lateral on the. Run boy play hustle
Speaker 4: played from kishon tracks other. Side gotta getting covered that,
Speaker 4: thing got?
Speaker 1: It? Yeah get mad the ball turn you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta chase in, in you. Know and in this situation
Speaker 1: that was just me in general, though RIGHT i. WAS
Speaker 1: i was on the other side of the, field AND
Speaker 1: i Saw curtis, fumble AND i just, said let me
Speaker 1: get on my. Horse if they just slowing, Down i'm
Speaker 1: gonna catch. Him they just gotta make him slow it.
Speaker 1: Down that's what happened in and he wound up trying
Speaker 1: to ladder BECAUSE i was in the right place at
Speaker 1: the right time and doing my. Job this is what.
Speaker 4: Happened that's what happens when you hustle, amen right. Place
Speaker 4: it was one of the dumber Moves i've seen.
Speaker 2: That that.
Speaker 1: Lateral that was a bad. Lateral, no it.
Speaker 2: WAS i don't, know because he's not used to carrying the.
Speaker 1: Ball catchers, catch, throw us.
Speaker 3: Throw Did parcels ever have drills for the defensive. Guys,
Speaker 3: yeah they always had, to like on how to carry the.
Speaker 3: BALL i don't know if they we used to do.
Speaker 1: That bill would show those plays and, say, look, asshole
Speaker 1: like you're. Nothold we're not doing this. Right, okay if
Speaker 1: you're gonna do, this it better be the last play
Speaker 1: of the, game and we need you know WHAT i.
Speaker 2: Mean it's just Fucking oh my. GOSH i would hate
Speaker 2: to be in the film room With bill after IF
Speaker 2: i had done that. Latter oh my. God, no it
Speaker 2: was crazy.
Speaker 1: Though this is, crazy, man and this game was crazy.
Speaker 2: Too.
Speaker 4: Insane that set Up keshawn's other touchdown the end a.
Speaker 4: Round as we, mentioned reverse.
Speaker 1: Was butch right toss thirty eight z reverse left.
Speaker 2: The same fucking, play so we would change.
Speaker 1: Formationally depend started getting all that zip zoom snug. Bullshit
Speaker 1: later on that. SHIP i had all that shit With
Speaker 1: grooten punk ass and zip is just, basically, yeah TAILOR
Speaker 1: z gotta come in to, block, yeah or come half
Speaker 1: zip down because we would do that. Too we would
Speaker 1: go butt, Right we would go butt, right zip toss
Speaker 1: thirty eight. Gators SO i would come and zip down
Speaker 1: and then come back. Around, yeah it was grooding like
Speaker 1: as a.
Speaker 4: Coach we get through this, anyways before the, half we
Speaker 4: get up seventeen to. Nothing here there's a little, scuffle
Speaker 4: a little scuffle before The have you like to see
Speaker 4: that and play a? Football Jumbo elliott and Old Kevin,
Speaker 4: hardy they were getting into.
Speaker 2: It jumbo was.
Speaker 1: Big he WAS i don't know what type office in
Speaker 1: lineman you played, with but he might have been one
Speaker 1: of the Big he could walk to the door. Man
Speaker 1: he was one of them type of dudes.
Speaker 2: On time name too so. Big, yeah we Had we
Speaker 2: had a.
Speaker 1: Couple we didn't WE i had one really big Hoo Trent,
Speaker 1: Yeah Trump, Brown Trimp brown was a large. HUMAN i
Speaker 1: think he was like But jumbo was a large human
Speaker 1: but ripped. Up he had the little you know how
Speaker 1: we used to we had THE v back in the.
Speaker 1: Day that's what he had as a line and he
Speaker 1: had THE.
Speaker 2: V that's like.
Speaker 1: Crazy we had A Nate. Soldier, YEAH i. Know nate
Speaker 1: was really like he he was three hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: pounds of a six. Pack, yeah this is How jumbo,
Speaker 1: was you know WHAT i. Mean so there's just Like
Speaker 1: jumbo was cool, too bone, Man jumbo was. Cool that
Speaker 1: was one of my coolest offensive line HOMIES i. Had,
Speaker 1: yes it's so funny. MAN i, uh before you mentioned the,
Speaker 1: Halftime before the, Half Jimmy smith. SCORED i believe that's
Speaker 1: fifty two.
Speaker 2: Yard bomb six seconds right as the half.
Speaker 1: WAS i was supposed to go in the, game, oh in,
Speaker 1: safety to be the.
Speaker 2: Safety.
Speaker 1: Wow barcels And belichick got into, it and it was
Speaker 1: the craziest ship we ever ever seen on the sideline
Speaker 1: between two coaches, ever because Bella check didn't want to
Speaker 1: put me, In parcels wanted to put me. In belichick said,
Speaker 1: no and they went right up the rail bomb touchdown.
Speaker 1: Them parcelles just lit his, Ask oh my, gosh how
Speaker 1: was that? Relationship at that? TIME i thought it was,
Speaker 1: Fine and it's great now they like, Now but at
Speaker 1: that TIME i thought it was.
Speaker 2: FINE i DIDN'T i don't know the. Difference.
Speaker 1: Right he came back the next, year but that, thing my.
Speaker 1: EYEBALLS i was, like Because i'm standing there ready to
Speaker 1: go inn you know the, situation you, Know and he's like,
Speaker 1: No And parcells told. Him at this, Time parcells said
Speaker 1: something to the effect, of you think you know every fucking.
Speaker 1: Thing that's your fucking. Genius, huh you think you know.
Speaker 1: Everything that's why you fucking got fired From. Cleveland, yeah
Speaker 1: that'll that'll get, it that'll get the fumes. Going shots.
Speaker 1: FIRED i was like, This oh, shit it's when the
Speaker 1: situation came up. AGAIN i went in and got the. Deception.
Speaker 2: Yo that was the craziest.
Speaker 1: Gus But i've Seen bill do that to the coaches before.
Speaker 1: Ourselves the type of coach that goes for, neck he
Speaker 1: going for, Throat he's gonna go for. Kill shot, man
Speaker 1: try to light that fire in your huge. SHOT i
Speaker 1: watched THE i Watched bill get. IT i Watched bill get.
Speaker 1: It Charlie, weiss what? Time because you know how you
Speaker 1: do the, cards the cards wasn't in. Sync it was
Speaker 1: like all messed. Up and at this, Time Krispy Kreme
Speaker 1: Krispy Kreme donuts had just became a big, thing came
Speaker 1: to The east coast Of New. York so we used
Speaker 1: to make all the younger guys go pick him up or, Whatever,
Speaker 1: yeah pick him, up put him out at the And
Speaker 1: charlie would come to the players lounge and gets up.
Speaker 1: Donuts he had messed up the, cards what time And bill's.
Speaker 1: HID i bet you if those these fucking cards Charge
Speaker 1: Krispy kreme, donut you'd have got that Right. Jesus we was,
Speaker 1: like oh, shit but that's how he, was, though you,
Speaker 1: know that's HOW i. Was what's the worst thing he
Speaker 1: laid into? You WHEN i was with The jets though
Speaker 1: he trying to. Think one, time he just he was
Speaker 1: just saying, that AM i coming to? Play i'm coming
Speaker 1: to the. Game that wasn't smart like. That he wasn't
Speaker 1: really never you, know into me like. That but WHEN
Speaker 1: i got To dallas coming From. Tampa, Uh we're playing
Speaker 1: The Cleveland browns and Late Terry glenn gets hit. Late
Speaker 1: SO i see it from a distance AND i run
Speaker 1: over there AND i kicked the ship out of the
Speaker 1: dude from spearing kicked. Him SO i basically took four
Speaker 1: points off the, board kick in the field goal fifteen
Speaker 1: yard blah. Blah so he was, like you know that was.
Speaker 1: STUPID i don't know what's gotten into. You just you
Speaker 1: left the Fucking jets and that ship was stupid and,
Speaker 1: nah you, know just going off and off and, off
Speaker 1: And i'm barking back at, him cussing back at, him,
Speaker 1: cussing and that was pretty much.
Speaker 2: It then one time were up In.
Speaker 1: Seattle we're playing in The, seahawks AND i was. Playing,
Speaker 1: OKAY i had a good, game BUT i should HAVE
Speaker 1: i should have called a corner route for a, touchdown
Speaker 1: BUT i. DIDN'T i didn't jump enough aggressive. ENOUGH i
Speaker 1: kind of just put my hands, up BUT i didn't
Speaker 1: gonna get. It and SO i go back to the.
Speaker 1: Sideline i'll kick a field. Goal he's talking shit. Whatever
Speaker 1: So i'm, LIKE i, said, WELL i don't have to
Speaker 1: play For you can fucking trade. ME i don't really
Speaker 1: give a. Fuck you can cut me whatever you want
Speaker 1: to and see how you see how this rest of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 2: Go so you fight fire with for. Fire so now
Speaker 2: end of.
Speaker 1: The, Game i'll take the fucking ball off the dude's
Speaker 1: head on a. VINNIE i don't. Know it might have
Speaker 1: been like a forty yard throw, touchdown BUT i go
Speaker 1: AND i just lost the. Dudes so after the, game walked.
Speaker 1: Through you could play with me.
Speaker 2: ANYTIME i, said of COURSE i. Can't you know that's
Speaker 2: the type BECAUSE i was a sit talker right we.
Speaker 1: Played he was just Getting he knew how to put
Speaker 1: people's buttons to get them to. WORK i told you
Speaker 1: so one time we Play indy and this is ninety,
Speaker 1: nine were planning In indy if we, win we're in.
Speaker 1: Testa verdie's, Hurt Ray lucas is, in so we go
Speaker 1: time out. Sideline they, say what do you want to?
Speaker 1: Do they because they used to come to me for,
Speaker 1: all like a lot of. Players he come to, me
Speaker 1: go what do you want to? Do, so, Man i'm
Speaker 1: whatever y'all want to. DO i think we should go
Speaker 1: for a vert, here leave me, inside Put wayne outside of.
Speaker 1: Me and THEN i Think charlie was, like, no, no
Speaker 1: put key, outside Put wayne in. Four let's go half
Speaker 1: personnel the, bender make him the. Bender they'll all run
Speaker 1: the key. Shine everything was, perfect really. Was it was
Speaker 1: a perfect call. Play everything was good Except wayne couldn't
Speaker 1: get up to get it because it was just slightly
Speaker 1: above his. Hands so To paul Rick, a chet's off his.
Speaker 2: Hands we lose the.
Speaker 1: Game it's not his fault, whatever, right go into the locker.
Speaker 1: Room bill's walking. In god damn, it mad there's a trash,
Speaker 1: can and the trash can is still it's not. Plastic
Speaker 1: he kicks the fucking trash. CAN i think he broke his.
Speaker 2: Tongue SO i, GO i go to.
Speaker 1: It that's what you get what he.
Speaker 2: Said he just looked at. Me he used to.
Speaker 1: Do, man somebody we have that's like a father to.
Speaker 1: ME i talked to him four or five times a.
Speaker 1: Month he kicks the. THING i, go that's what that's
Speaker 1: that's what you. Get you, know he just shakes his head,
Speaker 1: whatever you. Know but but the things THAT i would,
Speaker 1: do like you, said fight fire with, fire needle. Needle
Speaker 1: BUT i was the first one on the, BUS i would.
Speaker 1: Be he didn't know THAT i was like that till
Speaker 1: we Played buffalo AND i happened to be the first
Speaker 1: one on the bus taking his. Seat you see What
Speaker 1: i'm saying up In, buffalo and he was like he
Speaker 1: was shocked because he was on the first bus that
Speaker 1: leaves super. Early he couldn't believe it out because he
Speaker 1: ain't never had nobody like that. Before so he respect,
Speaker 1: that you know What i'm. Saying he could be an
Speaker 1: asshole if you put your work. In oh he was an.
Speaker 1: ASSHOLE i broke like. You yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: who could be if you put the work. In we In, dallas,
Speaker 1: THOUGH i break my. ANKLE i mean we're, yeah we
Speaker 1: planning the downska In New. YORK i break my ankle
Speaker 1: last game of the. Season BUT i ALWAYS i needed a.
Speaker 1: Scope this first TIME i ever been. Hurt had a
Speaker 1: half a million dollars. CENTER i needed twenty two yards
Speaker 1: MORE i. GOT i, know im going into the. GAME
Speaker 1: i needed forty. FOUR i got hurt in the first.
Speaker 1: QUARTER i hit a deep crosser on An apache route
Speaker 1: twenty two yards, clear get, caught snapped. Right i'm in
Speaker 1: the locker. Room i'm sitting on the. Thing. Fuck he comes.
Speaker 1: Over what's wrong with? Him he goes, Well, bill he
Speaker 1: broke his. Ankle he goes, good he can get surgery on. Both,
Speaker 1: Now i'm like this, motherfucker but just great though it,
Speaker 1: was he was, cool, though he was that's about.
Speaker 2: Guy, well so you guys go in.
Speaker 1: Halftime there's kind of some mixed, emotions clearly a blow
Speaker 1: up between the coaching. Staff he just gave up a
Speaker 1: big ass. Touchdown what are the vibes in the locker.
Speaker 1: Room we're just we're probably still feeling, confident, yeah but
Speaker 1: we just can't make. Mistakes that was a mistake to
Speaker 1: Let Jimmy smith up the rail right before the. Half
Speaker 1: that was a big mistake on our, Yeah jackie break
Speaker 1: down the second. Half second, half The jags just would
Speaker 1: not go.
Speaker 4: Away A Wayne crebet fumble of any interception in the end,
Speaker 4: zone big run, back eighty eight yard run back on a,
Speaker 4: kickoff like just would not go. Away this thing kept
Speaker 4: getting to like it would get seventeen, nothing then it
Speaker 4: was twenty four to, nothing then thirty one to.
Speaker 2: Fourteen then it's a one score.
Speaker 4: Game thirty one twenty four with two and a half,
Speaker 4: left When Donovan darius picked Off vinnie in the end
Speaker 4: zone LIKE i mentioned, earlier But Keith byers ran it
Speaker 4: out of the end, zone got stopped on the one
Speaker 4: one bad field, position Said jet stopped, him ended up
Speaker 4: tacking on a fe search thirty four to twenty.
Speaker 2: Four that takes us to the end.
Speaker 4: Where a last ditch Hail mary Try keishawn's interception in
Speaker 4: is this thing in the final score thirty four in the, Game.
Speaker 1: Well they ag wanted it BUT i stepped in front of. Him,
Speaker 1: right they're telling me the Bad i'm like my bad ship.
Speaker 1: Down if you can get, It i'm getting.
Speaker 2: It i'm kidding. It fuck.
Speaker 1: That and so the vibe was. Cool we. Celebrate you,
Speaker 1: know it was fun because most of the TIME i
Speaker 1: hang with the. DEFENSE i hang with the, defense and
Speaker 1: so you, know that was all my. Boys all the
Speaker 1: secondary was my. Guys we all hang, together and they
Speaker 1: KNEW i was Going, Ray, Ray mickens and all. Them
Speaker 1: they KNEW i was going things like, this, ego, this
Speaker 1: what fucker get a?
Speaker 2: Pin so you're in team meeting That.
Speaker 1: Monday, Yeah i'm that. Guy i'm, like, here tell the
Speaker 1: guy the. Best you make a play that you're not supposed, To,
Speaker 1: like that's not your because WHEN i threw a, TOUCHDOWN
Speaker 1: i came in and iceed up my arm and, it you,
Speaker 1: know do, something But belichick wanted me to knock it.
Speaker 1: Down yeah he knocking a ten point.
Speaker 2: Cushion come, on give me that fuck. Up you KNOW
Speaker 2: i was was. NOBODY i KNEW i was, fine almost
Speaker 2: gonna get my. Pick hell yeah you. Gotta and you
Speaker 2: guys go, out you finish out a.
Speaker 1: Game you get the First jets playoff win in twelve,
Speaker 1: years first playoff appearance in nine, Years your first game
Speaker 1: in the. Playoffs you fucking ball out one hundred and twenty,
Speaker 1: yards two, touchdowns one, rushing one, passing an, interception, recovery, tumble. Recovery.
Speaker 4: Insane what a game, game what a do it all.
Speaker 4: Day and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention at
Speaker 4: the time this was the larger. Shutdown oh, man it
Speaker 4: should have been.
Speaker 2: Three.
Speaker 1: Uh we got to.
Speaker 2: Mention this would go down as the.
Speaker 4: Largest crowd in pro football history at that, point seventy
Speaker 4: eight and, seventeen.
Speaker 1: Bigger than the Old Recres stadium at this. Time at this,
Speaker 1: time that was always the biggest stadium WHEN i was a, Kid,
Speaker 1: remember REMEMBER i, thought, YEAH i thought The redskins the.
Speaker 1: STADIUM i don't, know maybe it was seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Thousand this seems shocking to. Me that's.
Speaker 1: Crazy it was so loud, Though oh my, god even
Speaker 1: the watching, back oh so. Loud you can like, vibration you,
Speaker 1: know just the fireman at the fans was just. Amazing
Speaker 1: so you go from people your rookie Year, edelmans you
Speaker 1: never experienced. This what a guy wearing a bag over
Speaker 1: his head with drips of, sadness with his eyes poked,
Speaker 1: out crying as a grown. Man you never had to experience.
Speaker 1: THAT i experienced that as a rookie When i'm walking
Speaker 1: through the tunnel after the loss of THE Ki you,
Speaker 1: suck you. Suck takes it off because we wasted a
Speaker 1: number pick on. You you. Suck you, know grown ass.
Speaker 1: Man sounds Like jets. Fans jet, fans sounds Like jet. Fan,
Speaker 1: yeah and then all of a sudden you go to
Speaker 1: this and you got fireman ned over. Here.
Speaker 2: Yeah oh that's something that you're for, now, man that
Speaker 2: that had to be so fucked you know.
Speaker 1: WHAT i helped The jets turn it around here. SOON
Speaker 1: i think it'd be good for the. League, YEAH i
Speaker 1: think they. WILL i think they'll be fine Under aaron
Speaker 1: klton a g's got he's a dude to do it.
Speaker 2: Too player for the team knows.
Speaker 1: It last time they've actually really won except when San
Speaker 1: chito was there and he beat us in which THE
Speaker 1: Afc championship.
Speaker 2: Twice. Key have you talked to him since he took
Speaker 2: over a couple of times a? Week oh heck, yeah that's.
Speaker 1: Sick so what's the legacy of this, Game keishan really
Speaker 1: my first real experience in the. PLAYOFFS i, mean that's really.
Speaker 1: It that's that's how you are supposed to approach the.
Speaker 1: Postseason you're supposed to approach it that. Way that's the
Speaker 1: WAY i look at. It hell, yeah that's WHY i picked,
Speaker 1: it because you, know college is like, Whatever i'm a
Speaker 1: man of most boys in.
Speaker 2: College you know What i'm.
Speaker 1: Saying That Rose bull game these, DUDES i, know But
Speaker 1: i'm a man of most boys In college's too. Easy,
Speaker 1: dude just left the fucking problem a week, ago trying
Speaker 1: to cover. Me, Right i'll be, like come, Right i'll be,
Speaker 1: like think about. It different than the. Pros you got
Speaker 1: grown men with full beards with car seats the. Back in,
Speaker 1: college you got to do. That just, left literally left
Speaker 1: the Promin.
Speaker 2: May he st JOHN.
Speaker 1: A no, Chance, yeah it's totally. Different no chance you
Speaker 1: have four or fifth year. Senior this dude's a seventeen
Speaker 1: year old. Dude eyeballs as biggest. Saucers they're just gaves
Speaker 1: aren't even developed.
Speaker 2: Yet oh.
Speaker 1: Still still trying to figure out how to get his first.
Speaker 4: Kiss and we got to mention also in the aftermath
Speaker 4: of this, uh in the years that followed the near
Speaker 4: history a pivotal moment In jets And patriots. History Bill
Speaker 4: parcells would step down As jets head coach in ninety.
Speaker 4: Nine Bill belichick would famously take over for a. Day
Speaker 4: we all know the napkin every time that went.
Speaker 2: DOWN i was. There how did go? Down what's the?
Speaker 1: Inside SO i, came Looksh i'm not taking this fucking. Job, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: No SO i came back in the. TOWN i had
Speaker 1: went out of town for like, something AND i came
Speaker 1: back AND i went To. VACILLY i was working out
Speaker 1: or whatever her and they like press conference, upstairs like
Speaker 1: what's going? ON i, SAID i THINK i Think bill's
Speaker 1: getting ready to. Retire fuck you. Mean SO i go
Speaker 1: up To parcells' office and he's. There he's, like, oh you,
Speaker 1: know some more bullshit or. Whatever i'm, like, Oh, so
Speaker 1: Now bears is taking me back down to the to
Speaker 1: the big. Room And i'm standing at the top of
Speaker 1: the auditorium or, whatever you, know theory your team. Room
Speaker 1: so he's. There i'm at the top on the, wall
Speaker 1: just standing there looking and here it Comes belichick on
Speaker 1: the other. Side he had like a sweatshirt on or
Speaker 1: some ship he got the little napkin and he's reading
Speaker 1: and the media is, there And i'm, like what the
Speaker 1: fuck just? Happened and So i'm talking To John, lott
Speaker 1: the strength coach at the, time and he, LIKE i, Think,
Speaker 1: bill you know this? Shit is he ready be the head?
Speaker 1: Coach i'm, Like, okay, Cool i'm fucking With belichick at this.
Speaker 1: Time So i'm, like oh, right, COOL i didn't.
Speaker 2: Know so now.
Speaker 1: The process is We belichick doesn't want the? Job, now
Speaker 1: fuck you mean just took the? Job, no he didn't
Speaker 1: take the. Job you didn't want the? Job damn what
Speaker 1: we gonna? Do so now at this, point it's all,
Speaker 1: crack chaotic and, crazy, Right it's, like, damn we ain't
Speaker 1: have no coach this?
Speaker 2: Week got that.
Speaker 1: Job i'm trying to Get i'm trying to get. Check
Speaker 1: i'm getting to do you know What i'm. Saying how
Speaker 1: they came off back to back. Probos i'd bit to
Speaker 1: Pro BOW mvp when The Pro bowl was, real not
Speaker 1: t shirts Like i'm you know What i'm, Saying i'm
Speaker 1: trying to get shattered. Up and at this, Point i'm, like,
Speaker 1: damn what we gonna? Do so conversations being had And,
Speaker 1: uh they just start, shit just went chaotic and, crazy
Speaker 1: like literally like people are, like, no it was. Crazy
Speaker 1: BUT i felt like he was in good hands With.
Speaker 1: Belichick yeah you know What i'm, saying Because belichick at
Speaker 1: the time when they traded, Me, belichick if he had
Speaker 1: stayed the head, coach he wasn't trading. Me he didn't understand.
Speaker 1: Why he was like the fucking Way i'm Trading but
Speaker 1: they wind up trading me because Al grow felt like
Speaker 1: he didn't need, me he could just win with. Defense
Speaker 1: and but the crazy thing about it Is parcels became
Speaker 1: the president of the, team so he had full autonomy
Speaker 1: and authority to do what they wanted. To so He
Speaker 1: parcels is actually the person who traded, me not Al,
Speaker 1: grow not the. Owner but he trades me To Tampa
Speaker 1: bay right away from the. Division he gets two number
Speaker 1: one picks the whole deal right because he originally pitched
Speaker 1: me to go To Green. Baby he KNEW i didn't
Speaker 1: want to go to Green he KNEW i wasn't going
Speaker 1: to Fucking Green. Bay he knew THAT i wasn't going
Speaker 1: to Fucking. Baltimore baltimore had the fourth pick And Green
Speaker 1: bay had somewhere in, there but, he, oh you can
Speaker 1: go play with. Fore i'm, like, man you, KNOW i
Speaker 1: ain't gonna Fucking Green. Bay i'm coming out Of New.
Speaker 1: York so he trades me To Tampa bay with the
Speaker 1: notion that he's getting ready to be The Tampa Bay buccaneers.
Speaker 1: Coach ain't that a? Bitch he thought he was gonna
Speaker 1: be the.
Speaker 2: Coach he was going to be the.
Speaker 1: Coach he turned it.
Speaker 2: Down he accepted it and then turned it. DOWN i
Speaker 2: didn't hear about.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah so here's how the story. Went here's how it.
Speaker 1: WENT i arrived In. Tampa they trade me for two.
Speaker 1: MONTHS i go To. TAMPA i do the trade deal,
Speaker 1: whatever get the, bank get the, bag the whole. Shit right,
Speaker 1: Now Tampa, bays we're struggling to. Win we're not. Winning
Speaker 1: we're not.
Speaker 2: Winning whit.
Speaker 1: Winning we get to the, playoffs we, lose get to the,
Speaker 1: playoffs we. Lose so now they get ready Fire. Dungee
Speaker 1: bill the whole time was eyeing The Tampa bay job
Speaker 1: when he. Retired good a place to, retire but he
Speaker 1: had already left him at The altar several years. Later
Speaker 1: before he took The New England patriot, job he had
Speaker 1: left the owners of The buccaneers at The altar. Already
Speaker 1: yeah it. Did he did the shit the second time
Speaker 1: after taking a. Job he hired the staff and every
Speaker 1: day it did, Decide, MAN i.
Speaker 2: Don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: ANYMORE i. Don't i'm Just but the staff was already
Speaker 1: in place In. Tampa so now you move to The John.
Speaker 1: Grutener that's how we wind up getting grouting is because
Speaker 1: we was left without a coach Because bill was supposed
Speaker 1: to take the job and didn't take the, job and
Speaker 1: they traded and then they had to find a. Coach
Speaker 1: they went and got. Grooped that's how we wound up With.
Speaker 1: Grooton but the staff was already in. Place the dudes
Speaker 1: that saying is a parcels staff Under. Gruden it was
Speaker 1: a parcels staff to a degree Under, grooton except the
Speaker 1: defense was All Tony dungee And mighty kiffing. Them the
Speaker 1: defense was it was gonna be. Kiffing it was gonna
Speaker 1: be The tampa too sou offensive Was Bill, merr officer
Speaker 1: line coach From. Jets Uh tannebom was gonna be the general,
Speaker 1: manager which was our guyet And jets receiver coach was Richer,
Speaker 1: man which was my receiver coach of The. Jets, right
Speaker 1: it was all like whatever didn't, go whatever didn't go
Speaker 1: To New england was In. Tampa and Then bill was,
Speaker 1: LIKE i ain't doing, it fucking. Parcels i'm not have
Speaker 1: to ask him about. That i'm gonna see him here. Soon,
Speaker 1: yeah you're both gonna get into The Patriot hall Of fame. Together.
Speaker 1: Yea and when he was, driving he was supposed to
Speaker 1: BE i don't remember What dale was if he was
Speaker 1: driving To florida AND i was anticipating him being in
Speaker 1: there Because Tan obama had already came and you, know
Speaker 1: looked at everything and scoped it all out and did
Speaker 1: the whole. Deal he calls me and he, Goes i'm
Speaker 1: not doing. It what the fuck you mean you're not doing.
Speaker 1: It i'm not gonna take. IT i think something happened
Speaker 1: to his brother's brother got sick or. Something he just was,
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't want to do it right. Now but
Speaker 1: then the next year he winds up going To. Dallas
Speaker 1: Ain't that's why did he trades for me From tampa To.
Speaker 1: Dallas he just loved. YOU i did everything he wanted
Speaker 1: me to. Do though you know how that, goes because
Speaker 1: you know you became the guy THAT i. Was parceles,
Speaker 1: Guy you're A parceles. Guy two eight baby to twenty.
Speaker 1: FIVE i need you The Rose bowl guy two a.
Speaker 1: Coach i'm, There, Yeah i'm.
Speaker 2: There i'm.
Speaker 5: Good let's start the teacher's pet park that car in the.
Speaker 5: Garage we'll be right back after this quick. Break let's
Speaker 5: score the game and name the. Game, uh let's name the.
Speaker 1: Game we Have Keishawn's Big, Day welcome to And, why
Speaker 1: the Jack jets over The, jags The Keyshawn Johnson, game
Speaker 1: The madness in The, meadowlands The Key shawn does It all?
Speaker 1: Game which one do you want to? Pick, Kishan i'll
Speaker 1: probably Go madness in The Medal, Lands madness at the
Speaker 1: Meadow lands at The. Meddlelands, yeah score the. Game is
Speaker 1: this the greatest game of all? Time let's Score keyshawn
Speaker 1: stakes zero to ten of This Divisional round game. Decimals,
Speaker 1: okay you got.
Speaker 2: The greatest of all?
Speaker 1: Time ten being the big the fucking most important thing,
Speaker 1: ever zero BEING i would, say at this, time the
Speaker 1: most important team ever because of the. Chants, Honestly Divisional,
Speaker 1: Round i'm gonna go eight, Winner Go, Home Winner Go
Speaker 1: home and one star power of this game people that
Speaker 1: are at the, stadium, players coach, shit what was the
Speaker 1: star power of this? Game zero to ten? Decimals, OKAY
Speaker 1: i would probably say a nine. Nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah some of the coaching, staffs a lot of future head.
Speaker 2: Coaches we even talked About Scott. FROST a lot of
Speaker 2: head coaches in This Scott. Frost i'm gonna go with The.
Speaker 1: Frosty we used to funk with him all the time
Speaker 1: because this is what he got in trouble With Lawrence
Speaker 1: phillips and. Stuff he used To teasey all the, time
Speaker 1: like you're scared of. Ship, Huh Lawrence, phips gonna kick your.
Speaker 1: Lass i'll give you eight point.
Speaker 2: Eight got a seven nine out of eight point.
Speaker 1: Four Game player of the. Game how the game, WENT
Speaker 1: i mean it was back and, forth a big, blows
Speaker 1: a lot of, turnovers exciting. FOOTBALL i would say a
Speaker 1: seven good. SCORE i like. That i'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Go i'm gonna go seven to five out of six
Speaker 2: eight at six point seven point one in the same.
Speaker 1: Area, yea and now or now we score the name
Speaker 1: of the, Game The madness at The Meadow lambs zero
Speaker 1: ten decimals a okays a ten ten madness is, crazy lamb.
Speaker 1: Loud they ain't never seen nothing like, This some of
Speaker 1: them people in them fans and the stands ain't seen
Speaker 1: the just win a playoff game in one hundred. Years,
Speaker 1: yeah that's probably.
Speaker 2: True i'm go, Eight i'm right.
Speaker 1: Mid where's this stack? Up?
Speaker 2: AHEAD a five point? ZERO i had a four point?
Speaker 2: Nine where does his stack?
Speaker 1: Up that's, fine stay. Calculating it's a seven point eight
Speaker 1: to seven point eight.
Speaker 2: Two so that puts us uh the new forty fifth,
Speaker 2: slot just behind the two thousand and one twenty ONE
Speaker 2: sec championship Game georgia Versus, alabama and just above the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty Five week Thirteen bears Versus Dolphins monday night
Speaker 2: football Game bears versus the forty fifth. GAME i don't
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 1: Game that was the game that was the only defeat
Speaker 1: The bears had in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: Five, YEAH i just don't remember the.
Speaker 1: Game, well you, know The dolphins guy's always taking the.
Speaker 1: Ship game twenty twenty, ONE i remember that championship. Game
Speaker 1: that was a freaking crazy. Game nobody is. Boring people
Speaker 1: got tired of watching that. GAME i Know alabama And, Georgia,
Speaker 1: Alabama Georgia. Keyshaw we miss anything on this, GAME i
Speaker 1: don't think, so. Dude you gave us some great fabis aspic, insight.
Speaker 1: Perspective fucking had a.
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Speaker 1: all them, dudes like everybody from L. A, BASICALLY i
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Speaker 1: La they show, out they show, out thank you for coming.
Speaker 2: On oh, yeah no problem. Man Key shank's pro that
Speaker 2: might have been. Sneaky one of my favorite episodes we've ever. Done,
Speaker 2: yeah just like knew the, assignment knew the. Thing picked
Speaker 2: a great fucking, game great, stories great. Era let it.
Speaker 3: Rip Key shan sees everything, too because after the, show
Speaker 3: came up to me and, says your dad's still mad at.
Speaker 3: ME i think my dad called into it a talk
Speaker 3: radio once About keishaw's opinion on something don't know for a,
Speaker 3: fact but really. Bad keyshaw's, like you're dead all. RIGHT
Speaker 3: i tried looking that. UP i couldn't find.
Speaker 1: ANYTHING i couldn't, either yea.
Speaker 3: Regardless like completely different. Person when you meet, him you
Speaker 3: understand him way more.
Speaker 2: Seriously he's one of those guys where you look at
Speaker 2: media and he's like in that like that's he's that's
Speaker 2: his w, character even when he's playing like The diva Wide.
Speaker 2: Receiver but then you just learn like how Much parcels
Speaker 2: respected him and they had the thing you know that
Speaker 2: he's a fucking.
Speaker 3: Grinder he's a, grinder a blocking he emphasized, that you,
Speaker 3: know the hustle play in the. Game it was A
Speaker 3: it was a fun and that was a fun interview
Speaker 3: to get to know key shonk because, yeah we all we,
Speaker 3: all we all know What kishon is ON.
Speaker 1: Tv but he ain't really liked, THAT i, guess but he,
Speaker 1: is but he's, not but you understand.
Speaker 2: Why, yeah, Completely and it was really cool from me
Speaker 2: And jack's perspective to see like you guys like long lost,
Speaker 2: cousins like having played in the same, offense same.
Speaker 3: Offense, yeah going in talking about The Charlie weiss system
Speaker 3: and how it evolved when you know McDaniel's got it To.
Speaker 3: Billy oh then you know when he, left like we
Speaker 3: were speaking the same. Languages it's, fun BUT i could
Speaker 3: we we we changed a lot of the. Language the
Speaker 3: OLDER i got. It you, know it's like the old
Speaker 3: like he was talking opec and, shit that was like
Speaker 3: WHEN i first got there in like Nine then we
Speaker 3: never used opec after like five years. Again, Yeah, well
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Speaker 2: SEGMENT a couple episodes, ago you talked in depth recently
Speaker 2: about what it's like to just in the, weeds nitty,
Speaker 2: gritty beat by beat details of what it's like traveling
Speaker 2: for AN nfl away. Game so a lot of people
Speaker 2: have been in the. Comments they really like. THAT a
Speaker 2: lot of positive freeedback about. That so we're trying to
Speaker 2: do a segment WHERE i just want you to go
Speaker 2: super deep into a SPECIFIC nfl inside our. Conversation so
Speaker 2: a lot of the comments have been suggesting you talked
Speaker 2: about Brock perty just signed that big. Deal just people
Speaker 2: want to know a little bit more information in depth
Speaker 2: about what contracts are like in THE nfl and what
Speaker 2: contract negotiations going so high, level give us what contract
Speaker 2: negotiations are like in.
Speaker 1: THE, nfl well. Contracts, well contract negotiations in THE, nfl
Speaker 1: and contract NEGOTIATIONS i had with The New England patriots
Speaker 1: are completely different AS i look at, It and they've also,
Speaker 1: changed which rightfully they. Should you, know it's been way
Speaker 1: more player. Friendly i've never LIKE i can remember WHEN
Speaker 1: i got hurt in twenty, twelve The patriots offered me
Speaker 1: a contract before the season to sign. THAT i thought,
Speaker 1: like that's not IF i AND i won the starting
Speaker 1: job going into that. Year they so they were trying
Speaker 1: to lock me in for like some league minimum deal
Speaker 1: with like a week signing, bonus WHICH i was, Like
Speaker 1: i'm GOING i would rather go to free. Agency so
Speaker 1: we played out the year AND i broke my foot
Speaker 1: and THEN i BROKE i broke my hand and missed
Speaker 1: a couple of. GAMES i bawled. OUT i had a
Speaker 1: THREE i had three games WHERE i was, bawling and
Speaker 1: THEN i broke my foot and so it got to
Speaker 1: a sudden. Holt SO i WENT i remember going back
Speaker 1: after that AND i was sitting there, THINKING i was, like, man,
Speaker 1: oh at Least i'm going to get that shitty little
Speaker 1: contract they offered, me you.
Speaker 2: Know which it'll still be a pay, raise you.
Speaker 3: Know you, KNOW i remember going back to the negotiations
Speaker 3: and they, said that's how we felt, then this is
Speaker 3: how we feel. Now and it was a completely different
Speaker 3: number with a lot less money BECAUSE i was, hurt
Speaker 3: WHICH i understood that now now nowadays guys tear their
Speaker 3: a cls and they're getting paid the biggest contract in
Speaker 3: the history of the, game which that was never like,
Speaker 3: that at least WHERE i was. At you, know they
Speaker 3: they always they would always say WE'RE i remember just,
Speaker 3: vividly you, know when you're negotiating with, them they're, saying
Speaker 3: we're not paying you for what you've, Done we're paying
Speaker 3: you for what we project you to, do you. Know
Speaker 3: and that's where the differences are in different. ORGANIZATIONS i
Speaker 3: wish it was. DIFFERENT i WISH i got it other
Speaker 3: way like other, guys but with the Brock purty.
Speaker 2: Contract when renegotiations, starts like if you start performing outside
Speaker 2: of your, content like what they're paying you, for the
Speaker 2: paying you to, project and you start performing outside of.
Speaker 2: That what does that look like from negotiation? Standpoint renegotiation, Standpoint.
Speaker 3: Well it, usually, uh you, know every TIME i signed a,
Speaker 3: CONTRACT i like balled out the First LIKE i feel
Speaker 3: LIKE i outplayed that contract that, year But i'd have
Speaker 3: like three, years like we never went back to the
Speaker 3: table until the last year of your. Deal now it's
Speaker 3: changed a little bit because of you, know guys want
Speaker 3: to lock guys in before the market gets too, high,
Speaker 3: this that the, other and and they and guys try
Speaker 3: to you, know teams and guys want, security and so
Speaker 3: sometimes you see guys getting renegotiated with two three, years
Speaker 3: a rip up a contract like that wasn't really we.
Speaker 1: WEREN'T i wasn't a guy that ever dealt with.
Speaker 3: That With Brock purdy being a seventh round draft, pick you,
Speaker 3: know that's something also THAT i think is a key
Speaker 3: figure in this. DEAL i always felt IF i was
Speaker 3: a third or a second round draft pick AND i
Speaker 3: had the same production after my first or my second,
Speaker 3: contract THAT i would have got more.
Speaker 2: Money.
Speaker 3: UH i, think you, know brought kind of surpassed. That,
Speaker 3: yeah he took a little. Less what is it fifty?
Speaker 2: Three what is?
Speaker 1: It what's is guaranteed.
Speaker 2: Guaranteed that's SOMETHING i wanted to ask you about, too
Speaker 2: is let's see the difference between guaranteed and. Total let's see.
Speaker 1: Value so we'll see is guaranteed money one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty it's six, years five years including your two sixty
Speaker 1: five contract. Extension how many years the deal?
Speaker 2: Still this? One so he has one year so this
Speaker 2: will go through twenty twenty or twenty, thirty and he's
Speaker 2: got one hundred and eighty one million in guaranteed with
Speaker 2: a full note trade clause has been, Reported so.
Speaker 1: One hundred and eighty one million over this six. Years
Speaker 1: so what's one hundred and eighty divided into? Four it's
Speaker 1: forty five point twenty. Five so that's what that. Is
Speaker 1: he's really of real. Money that's How that's HOW i
Speaker 1: used to look at. It it's one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: one divided by either you know. Whatever that number is
Speaker 1: a couple of years shorter than the contract because that's
Speaker 1: kind of like they're, out which that's pretty cheap if
Speaker 1: you think about. It you, know NOW i have opportunity
Speaker 1: to earn more. Money so what is that that's? Like
Speaker 1: that could be that could be built in, escalators meaning
Speaker 1: like he has to.
Speaker 3: LIKE i had a built in escalator in my contract
Speaker 3: WHERE i would make like a million bucks more or
Speaker 3: five hundred grand more IF i had My at that,
Speaker 3: time my high was one hundred and five. Catches so
Speaker 3: IF i got to like ninety catches a thousand yards
Speaker 3: and either six, touchdowns LIKE i had to get three
Speaker 3: of that and then or we went to the Super
Speaker 3: bowl SO i could have three of, THOSE i would
Speaker 3: get that. Money there's, incentives so like. That that's also
Speaker 3: like incentives and escalators are kind of in the same.
Speaker 3: BOAT i don't know the actual. Differences i'm not a cap,
Speaker 3: guy but same thing like if you, have like For Brock,
Speaker 3: purdy if you if you play a certain amount of
Speaker 3: if you play a certain amount of percentage of the,
Speaker 3: year you'll get an extra two five million. Dollars but
Speaker 3: a lot of this what people don't realize these roster
Speaker 3: bonuses that are In they used to give us roster,
Speaker 3: bonus so what is? That so the roster bonus is
Speaker 3: actually in the guaranteed. Money so they'll, say here's your roster.
Speaker 3: Bonus of for, ME i think it was like a
Speaker 3: million five or. SOMETHING i don't.
Speaker 1: Know my.
Speaker 3: Numbers you guys will probably be able to look that.
Speaker 3: Up BUT i had a roster bonus that goes into
Speaker 3: your guaranteed, money but it ain't. Guaranteed you have to
Speaker 3: be on the active day roster to get that. Money
Speaker 3: so whatever that, Was so say it's a million, bucks
Speaker 3: divide that by. Seventeen how many is?
Speaker 1: That let's just say it's one point, seven one point
Speaker 1: seven or one hundred. K you get one HUNDRED k a.
Speaker 1: Game but SAY i got hurt AND i didn't play
Speaker 1: in three, GAMES i WOULDN'T i wouldn't collect those those.
Speaker 2: Three checks that comes out of.
Speaker 3: Guaranteed now that comes out of your guaranteed. Money so
Speaker 3: you got to look into like what his guaranteed money.
Speaker 3: Is there's a lot of ways of you, know also
Speaker 3: the guaranteed money could be like you have to be
Speaker 3: uh workout bonuses and what's the workout workout? Bonuses you
Speaker 3: have to be a eighty percent of the off season
Speaker 3: program in order to collect that. Money it kind of
Speaker 3: incentivizes his guys to stay around the. Team so that's
Speaker 3: the non mandatory workout non mandatory you have to hit eighty.
Speaker 2: Percent, okay, Cool? Okay, Interesting so it is kind of
Speaker 2: mandatory if you want to hit a certain amount of
Speaker 2: threshold for your, money.
Speaker 1: If you want to make your.
Speaker 3: Money, okay there's also like and then also like for
Speaker 3: for linemen or, big big, defensivelignement like that their weight
Speaker 3: could be you, know negotiated in as a incentive if
Speaker 3: this or you, know if he breaks over. This, uh you,
Speaker 3: know they could technically take that money. Away so there's
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff in that guaranteed, money which isn't always.
Speaker 3: Guaranteed so Brock, Perdy i'm sure it went down where
Speaker 3: he outplayed his contract as a seventh, rounder you, know
Speaker 3: the first few. Years so it was a tough situation
Speaker 3: to be in because he still had a bunch of
Speaker 3: years on his deal and you still wanted to see
Speaker 3: if it would be, able you, know to continue doing.
Speaker 1: It, yeah.
Speaker 3: But, uh you, know he he got. PAID i, mean
Speaker 3: he didn't get the. Sixty he got a five. There
Speaker 3: that's what everyone. Thinks but, really if you think about,
Speaker 3: it it's like four year forty.
Speaker 1: Five why only four versus five because you could divide,
Speaker 1: it it's more of like what is? That what is
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty one divided by? Five it's thirty
Speaker 1: six point. TWO i don't know. Why i'd always just
Speaker 1: take off those two. Years and that's usually kind of
Speaker 1: HOW i thought about.
Speaker 2: It because the last year is some kind of. Bullshit
Speaker 2: dear either going to get, restructure structure going into the,
Speaker 2: cut depending on your.
Speaker 1: Situation, yeah Depending AND i don't know all his his
Speaker 1: incentives for that extra or what is it two sixty
Speaker 1: the total? Contract, yeah two sixty, Five so two sixty,
Speaker 1: Five so what's what's what's the difference between eighty four
Speaker 1: million eighty four?
Speaker 2: Million, yeah so that's all the.
Speaker 1: Incentives roster bonus is what have you that could be
Speaker 1: an incentives that could be roster. BONUS i haven't looked
Speaker 1: at the detail of the. CONTRACT i don't think they're
Speaker 1: fully out yet.
Speaker 3: Either that could be anything from, like, hey they could,
Speaker 3: negotiate then they if he GETS, mvp he could get
Speaker 3: a five million dollars.
Speaker 1: On Pro, BOWLS mvpl. Pros get, Atistical, yeah anything, statistical
Speaker 1: and those stats can go. Crazy it could be playing,
Speaker 1: time it could be completion, percentage it could be. TOUCHDOWNS i,
Speaker 1: mean whatever you want to negotiate or they want to.
Speaker 1: Negotiate it's just a way for you to try to
Speaker 1: collect more of that.
Speaker 2: Money have you ever heard any like weird incentives something
Speaker 2: like stuck out, like, oh that was unusual or very
Speaker 2: specific to a certain.
Speaker 1: Player you, know the weight ones are always kind of
Speaker 1: weird to. Me but it's you, know these big boys
Speaker 1: during the.
Speaker 2: Season, now would there be players that maybe are AND
Speaker 2: i know that you're not like A gm and you're
Speaker 2: not in the, cap but just from what you've seen
Speaker 2: and heard or, experienced players that maybe would have been
Speaker 2: injury prone or perceived to be injury prone having higher
Speaker 2: like roster, Bonuses.
Speaker 1: Well that's what The patriots used to do a. Lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah and then also what they can do is they
Speaker 1: could put a split in your. Contract what is?
Speaker 2: That, uh it's.
Speaker 1: Usual it was always in all The patriots rookie deals
Speaker 1: where it was like non negotiable split is if you
Speaker 1: if you get, hurt you only make half your.
Speaker 2: Salary oh, wow, okay so separate from even roster, bonus
Speaker 2: separt from. Everything if you're like if you take YOUR
Speaker 2: acl in the first snap of, Preseason, no.
Speaker 3: Not your guarantee, money but like all your other money, Out,
Speaker 3: yeah you only get half is split.
Speaker 1: It that's and that's just non negotiable inside of every Single,
Speaker 1: well it's negotiable in the, contract but it was not
Speaker 1: negotiable for.
Speaker 3: Us.
Speaker 2: Gotcha and something THAT i think has a lot of
Speaker 2: people ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: About but how does signing bonus?
Speaker 3: Work so signing bonus whatever it could be divided so
Speaker 3: that say brought got of what it was, designing but
Speaker 3: maybe fifty million, dollars say.
Speaker 2: One hundred and seventy six million injur, guarantee.
Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy over his first four he.
Speaker 2: Proceid sixty two percent of this money in the first three.
Speaker 1: Years so look at you see HOW i said four.
Speaker 3: Years, yeah so one hundred and seventy over first four
Speaker 3: that means there's only an additional what nine ten million
Speaker 3: dollars for that next so you could you would cut
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i?
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah and part of that's playing games for THE cap.
Speaker 1: Two Probably i'm not A cap. Guy, yeah but, yeah
Speaker 1: usually they they divide the signing bonus By that's why
Speaker 1: they'll make big signing bonuses because they'll they can pro
Speaker 1: rate that and divide that over the length of year
Speaker 1: contract towards the. Cap, okay signing bonuses go against cap. Two,
Speaker 1: yeah it's it's. Less it's like. Less that's how they
Speaker 1: can make the money. Down that's why they'll they'll renegotiate
Speaker 1: and give guys a bunch of money in the signing
Speaker 1: bonus because then you can pro rate it throughout the
Speaker 1: duration of the. Contract, okay and then well let's go
Speaker 1: back to the way we were talking about signing. Bonus,
Speaker 1: yeah signing, bonus it's not like depending on. Team, okay
Speaker 1: say It's Rock parties fifty million dollars a sign they
Speaker 1: could divide that over three for the, owner you, know
Speaker 1: says so on signing day they'll give them twenty, million
Speaker 1: and then In october they can give them ten, million
Speaker 1: and then the next following year they can give them
Speaker 1: another Ten now you do that for tax, REASONINGS i don't.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah but they the owner can do that because
Speaker 3: sometimes they just don't want to give you all that
Speaker 3: money right.
Speaker 2: Away it's a lot of. Money it's a lot of
Speaker 2: money with and then so, functionally you sign a, contract
Speaker 2: you get your pro rated signing. Bonus maybe it's half
Speaker 2: or a third or. Whatever is that just a check
Speaker 2: or is that like going into your like Paces and
Speaker 2: how does that actually, do.
Speaker 1: So a lot of guys have direct. Deposit we didn't
Speaker 1: actually have that choice until like the third or fourth
Speaker 1: year of my, year really my second. Year we just
Speaker 1: gonna check you out the. Cash you get a check
Speaker 1: that you'd have to, cash and if which is you,
Speaker 1: know if guys in cash a, check that means owners
Speaker 1: kept that money in that pot and they can earn
Speaker 1: interest on that.
Speaker 3: Bitch, Yeah so that's why you go to direct. Deposits
Speaker 3: you get that money right.
Speaker 1: Away so you're like rolling up your rookie, year rolling
Speaker 1: up with a. Check crazy thing is out of that
Speaker 1: twenty million that he's gonna, get you're gonna get that
Speaker 1: check and it's only going to be about twelve eleven
Speaker 1: taxes and. Taxes and then you got to pay the
Speaker 1: agent whatever his agent fee. Is usually three can be negotiated,
Speaker 1: down but it's usually three, percent so you, know it's
Speaker 1: a it's a.
Speaker 2: Lot so that's how you get the signing. Bonus all
Speaker 2: this other, stuff roster bone is that's all.
Speaker 1: Divides so then there could be other. Stuff you have
Speaker 1: a roster.
Speaker 3: Bonus that's another way of them to giving you a,
Speaker 3: million you, know during the, season or guaranteed two million five,
Speaker 3: million ten whatever that is they can give you through the.
Speaker 3: Season then they can give you the workout, bonus which
Speaker 3: is also guaranteed money in the guaranteed money, thing but
Speaker 3: that also you, know incentivizes you to be around the,
Speaker 3: facility going to be at the off.
Speaker 2: Season, uh you know all that.
Speaker 1: Stuff so then what's in the game check game check
Speaker 1: is the additional salary that you have to be divided
Speaker 1: into set eighteen weeks and you get paid every first
Speaker 1: fifteenth and you don't get any additional money for, playoffs,
Speaker 1: right you do.
Speaker 3: Get additional, money but it's it's it's technically of technically
Speaker 3: we're getting blown.
Speaker 1: Out, yeah as, players because we're playing for.
Speaker 3: Less everyone gets, say now you get an Additional so
Speaker 3: like WHEN i was playing you for the first, round
Speaker 3: you would get an additional like twenty, grand twenty five
Speaker 3: grand to the, winner twenty grand to the, loser and
Speaker 3: the next round you can get like an additional thirty.
Speaker 3: Grand but then like we would get the first round
Speaker 3: BY i have to do all the same amount of
Speaker 3: work and not get paid.
Speaker 1: Because the buye you don't get. Paid you don't get.
Speaker 3: Paid during the buy you only get paid during the
Speaker 3: game and it was really twenty. Grand and at that
Speaker 3: TIME i was making like a hundred grand a game
Speaker 3: through my. Contract so you're putting the same amount of
Speaker 3: work for way less. Money and the league is benefiting
Speaker 3: crazy through the playoffs with the ratings and. Everything so
Speaker 3: how much like totally at the total you make if
Speaker 3: you won The Super bowl be like one hundred and eighty, Grand.
Speaker 1: And that's if you don't have any of the, escalators
Speaker 1: any of The. Batman but that's just all new money
Speaker 1: coming from the.
Speaker 2: League the fifty third man on the roster makes that
Speaker 2: money if you go to the Super, bowl the fifty
Speaker 2: third and MAYBE i think even the practice, squad everyone
Speaker 2: and the everyone in the organization DOES i think so
Speaker 2: making a suit it's a big thing for it's.
Speaker 3: A big thing for like the trainers and the. Coaches it's.
Speaker 3: Huge it's. Great but like on on on the scale
Speaker 3: of like the.
Speaker 1: Top dogs are taking huge pay cuts to.
Speaker 3: Play Tom brady usually gets two million dollars a fucking.
Speaker 3: Game yeah he's, working you, know wherever it, is you
Speaker 3: know WHAT i.
Speaker 2: Mean he's getting. Paid he get fifty million dollars a.
Speaker 3: Year now he's gonna go play for twenty grand, thirty
Speaker 3: it's probably like fifty grand.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah but they're getting paid the same as the
Speaker 2: long snappers the, course the.
Speaker 3: Same as a long, snapper which it's additional. Money you
Speaker 3: never want to be you want to be. Thankful but
Speaker 3: you know the work you put. In if we're talking workplace,
Speaker 3: HERE i mean the stress levels are even, higher, right
Speaker 3: the work. Is you're putting in way more work during
Speaker 3: the playoffs because you're just that more much that much
Speaker 3: more uh invested like, time everything, tightened motion.
Speaker 2: And the cost for commerce go way up to a
Speaker 2: lot more money being, generated a.
Speaker 1: Lot of money.
Speaker 3: Generated but you, know congratulations to Brock. Man that's cool
Speaker 3: seeing a seventh round guy get a big, payday regardless
Speaker 3: of what you think he deserves or. Doesn't as a former,
Speaker 3: player you always like seeing guys get, paid especially a
Speaker 3: guy that went his, route which you, KNOW i was
Speaker 3: a seventh round. Guy he's a seventh round. Guy now
Speaker 3: he's making fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 2: Year not, bad.
Speaker 1: Not even a one, star not a zero star first pick.
Speaker 1: Overall you, Know.
Speaker 3: I'm a story, guy like the story now is a
Speaker 3: team gonna be? Good don't, know don't. Know but if
Speaker 3: you think about. It for The, niners they'll have to
Speaker 3: eat a bunch of this for these next couple of,
Speaker 3: years which they're they're kind of rebuilding right. Now and
Speaker 3: if you look At brock's contract in two, years it's
Speaker 3: gonna be. Cheap it's kind of like The Daniel jones,
Speaker 3: Shit like everyone's, Like daniel's making a thirty million, Dollars,
Speaker 3: well what the?
Speaker 2: Well all?
Speaker 1: Right in two, years the next guy was making FIFTY.
Speaker 2: Yea the lessons. Learned if there's ever guy who needs
Speaker 2: to get paid real, money pay him as soon as you,
Speaker 2: can because it now instantly becomes.
Speaker 1: Value you, know he did take he didn't take the top,
Speaker 1: dog you know WHAT i? Mean, Yeah and you think
Speaker 1: About brock, party if you put yourself in his, position
Speaker 1: you're sitting there, saying, like, Well Dak, prescott he's got
Speaker 1: one one playoff, win maybe. TWO i Think i'm taking
Speaker 1: a team to AN afc. Championship we've gone to a Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl we have playoff, wins you, Know and that's what
Speaker 1: you really judge on the. Quarterback how mean wins he?
Speaker 1: Got so you could see what he his side was
Speaker 1: arguing to get that, money and uh, two you got.
Speaker 3: Too you, know you could say the same thing for
Speaker 3: all the other big dog. Quarterbacks you, KNOW i think
Speaker 3: he's got more playoff wins In.
Speaker 2: Burrow burrow did go to A Super, bowl so Did.
Speaker 2: Brock yeah, right you're.
Speaker 1: Right you Know brock went to The Super, bowl right
Speaker 1: and He brock also went to A nfcam OR Nfc
Speaker 1: championship where he hurt his. Arm, Remember, yeah you, know
Speaker 1: so like, Bros brocks got Some So merritt when you
Speaker 1: when you're talking about winning games, now regardless of what
Speaker 1: you want to, say how the team's going to Be.
Speaker 2: Now do you think If purdy was a first round pick.
Speaker 1: Or you, know completely, different he gets that If party
Speaker 1: was a first round, pick he probably would have got
Speaker 1: sixty eight million.
Speaker 2: Dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's one of those contracts that sets the sets
Speaker 1: the new standard for.
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks. Yeah. Yeah one last thing on, this BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: thought this was Great one time years. AGO i was
Speaker 2: at your house back In foxborough and you were like
Speaker 2: going through some like junk man and you just opened
Speaker 2: up like a check for like a couple hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars or. SOMETHING i think it was From. Jerseys what
Speaker 2: are some of the other ways that you get paid that.
Speaker 1: Aren't Like dorsett, feels.
Speaker 3: There's player of, performance which is huge for guys that
Speaker 3: get like brought like set late round, guys undrafted, guys
Speaker 3: which they've changed it in this NEW cba collecting bargain.
Speaker 3: Agreement but WHEN i was, there if you were a
Speaker 3: seventh round, guy you and you were getting more playing
Speaker 3: like there was like a formula on playing time and
Speaker 3: plays per game that you would make a lot more
Speaker 3: money than if you were a first round. Guy in
Speaker 3: this pool of money.
Speaker 2: There's like coming from THE.
Speaker 1: Nfl, yeah coming from THE. NFL i forgot where it comes.
Speaker 3: From we got to probably hit Up Matthew slater on
Speaker 3: that because he's the former rep for THE, pa but, uh,
Speaker 3: yeah you get. Up there was a pool of money
Speaker 3: that they would have and it would it was a
Speaker 3: way to give guys, that you, know seventh round guy
Speaker 3: that was playing eighty percent of the snaps he could.
Speaker 3: TAKE i remember Like Devon bess when he was a,
Speaker 3: receiver he was making like two three million dollars off
Speaker 3: that player performance because he was undrafted and and he
Speaker 3: was bawling Out and it's.
Speaker 1: Upwards of a few million if you play a.
Speaker 3: Lot, yeah and, Yeah LIKE i don't know what it is,
Speaker 3: now but that's those were back WHEN i was. PLAYING
Speaker 3: i think it changed a.
Speaker 1: Little that was like a fund of something where they
Speaker 1: were pulling money in and they would distribute to the.
Speaker 1: Players there's also other ways of earning money.
Speaker 2: Jersey.
Speaker 3: Sales like so when you sign up for THE, pa
Speaker 3: you're basically signing and giving away your your your name
Speaker 3: and likeness for the brand of.
Speaker 1: Players so with that you get a. Check everyone gets
Speaker 1: a check for like ten grand for being In madden
Speaker 1: or whatever it was at that, time or five, grand
Speaker 1: and then anything that sold with your name on you
Speaker 1: get a percentage. Of so like that was after you,
Speaker 1: KNOW i had a huge jersey sale. Year they always
Speaker 1: give you like whatever it is the cents on the
Speaker 1: dollar that you get for. That it could be like
Speaker 1: a half a, cent but you, know you collect money,
Speaker 1: mugs whatever they, have pay your name, jerseys this, jersey
Speaker 1: any thing with your name that has, sold you do
Speaker 1: get to cut a baby sliver of. That and that's
Speaker 1: all through THE. Nflpa AND i still get. Checks, Really
Speaker 1: i'll get like eight cent checks because like so there
Speaker 1: was like a hundred something of mine or like something
Speaker 1: Sold i'll get like an eight cent chot from THE.
Speaker 2: Pa that's.
Speaker 1: Awesome it's like the actors getting residual. Checks that's. Awesome.
Speaker 2: Cool is there any any other things we missed from
Speaker 2: just like things the average fan wouldn't know where money
Speaker 2: is coming in from from a contract. PERSPECTIVE i mean.
Speaker 1: There's probably, More but why don't you guys ask us
Speaker 1: more questions detailed questions in the comments section and we
Speaker 1: can we can get into it. More hell, Yeah i'm
Speaker 1: not like just fucking brainy acts, smart BUT i just oh,
Speaker 1: yeah back in that, DAY i remember day is that,
Speaker 1: like you know who we should? Have we should Have
Speaker 1: we should bring In Matthew slater and do like a
Speaker 1: rules and regulation podcast for THE. NFL i love. That
Speaker 1: let's let's do rules Because bill used to sit us
Speaker 1: down like every year in training camp the first night
Speaker 1: of training get.
Speaker 2: But you go over all the. Rules nothing that you
Speaker 2: can light on fire in team.
Speaker 3: Hotels if anything lights on fire in the team hotel
Speaker 3: could be conduct. Detrimental it's basically explaining all the rules
Speaker 3: that could take away your. Money if you're fat and,
Speaker 3: overweight you, get you, get you.
Speaker 1: Get you, know you'd be like it's six hundred pounds per,
Speaker 1: day pound per day.
Speaker 3: Whatever it's probably like one thousand bucks. Now used to
Speaker 3: be WHEN i first got, it like four or three
Speaker 3: hundred and. Eighty then it got up to like six,
Speaker 3: hundred you. KNOW i the more money you, make the
Speaker 3: more they can. Take they could take your money through
Speaker 3: fines on you, know you, know uniform. INFRINGEMENT i used
Speaker 3: to get fined all the. Time if my my knee
Speaker 3: pads were higher and my skin was showing and my
Speaker 3: socks didn't go, up you would get fined for, that
Speaker 3: or certain pads you could get if you didn't have
Speaker 3: your thigh. PADS a certain WHEN i first, played you
Speaker 3: didn't have to have thighre knee, pads and they put
Speaker 3: that in where you get fined if you didn't have.
Speaker 3: THAT i didn't wear them for like my first two.
Speaker 3: Years you can get fined for the length of your
Speaker 3: Twel you can get fined for you, know other like
Speaker 3: NON nfl issued a tire on the.
Speaker 1: Sideline technically you can get. Fined you.
Speaker 3: Know so if you're like promoting like your own brand
Speaker 3: that's not associated with THE, nfl you could get fined.
Speaker 2: Like certain. Celebrations, fine, well we should save that for
Speaker 2: another one of these. Segments find me a fine one
Speaker 2: of these segments would be. GREAT i think it's a
Speaker 2: great segue, too to be, like, hey, fans audience, comment
Speaker 2: what detailed types of explanation of INSIDE nfl information would you'd?
Speaker 2: Like because this is a fun. SEGMENT i.
Speaker 3: Think so WHEN i WHEN i WHEN i scored that
Speaker 3: touchdown to break the record for The patriots over total punt,
Speaker 3: RETURNS i threw the ball into the, CROWD i hucked
Speaker 3: it up in, there AND i got fined like hell
Speaker 3: of money because you're not allowed to throw the ball
Speaker 3: in the crowd because it could create a. Riot but
Speaker 3: if you hand the, ball it's, okay you can't but
Speaker 3: you can't hand the. Ball but you can't throw the.
Speaker 1: Ball but will they charge you for the cost of
Speaker 1: the duke if you hand them the? Ball? No oh
Speaker 1: yeah you Have, yeah you have to pay for the
Speaker 1: duke anytime you take the. DUKE i think that's that's
Speaker 1: con that's payroll a. Duct so like everything is payroll
Speaker 1: a duckt nothing is. Free by the, way did you
Speaker 1: have to pay for the those? Tickets payroll a? Duct
Speaker 1: if you broke something in the in the, gut if
Speaker 1: you broke the weight, room payroll a, duct if you
Speaker 1: broke some payroll the, duck they take that money as
Speaker 1: much as they give.
Speaker 2: It did you give him the jerseys the way you
Speaker 2: get paid for?
Speaker 3: That did you pay for the anytime you give jersey?
Speaker 3: Swap you're paying like four hundred, dollars three hundred fifty
Speaker 3: dollars for?
Speaker 2: That what about like a sentimental, ball like a touchdown
Speaker 2: that you keep they give me THAT i don't.
Speaker 1: PAY i don't, know but it wouldn't surprise me if
Speaker 1: it's payroll a. Duct, no is that just your organization
Speaker 1: or is THAT i don't. Know, YEAH i don't have
Speaker 1: to ask that when we have some other. People, yeah
Speaker 1: BUT i threw it up in the. CROWD i remember
Speaker 1: you used to have to go to these hearings and
Speaker 1: marsh And Merton hanks was always a fucking fine hearing
Speaker 1: AND i used to try to butter them up every
Speaker 1: single time came and talked to me in high. School
Speaker 1: loved his little neck thing he used to, do, right you,
Speaker 1: know he's a Fucking San francisco forty nine.
Speaker 3: Er i'd always butter him up every. Time he would
Speaker 3: never fucking reduce my. MONEY i think he reduced it.
Speaker 1: Once my, agent we got that one reduced because it
Speaker 1: was like military service day and my agent, dudes he's,
Speaker 1: like you, Know joy was really thrown it to A
Speaker 1: navy guy that he saw and it's like literally like
Speaker 1: two hundred yards.
Speaker 2: Up, well they saw your college, tape so they knew
Speaker 2: it wasn't going.
Speaker 1: There but we did get that, reduced so thank.
Speaker 2: You oh, yeah all, right well that was that was
Speaker 2: a great. Semon we'll do that. More that was.
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