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Speaker 1: Get ready for a two part conversation with the three

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Speaker 1: time NBA six Man of the Year, Jamal Crawford. Here

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Speaker 1: in part one, Chris Haynes and I talked to Jamal

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Speaker 1: about his new career as a member of the media

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Speaker 1: and his longtime relationship with JJ Reddick, the new Lakers coach.

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Speaker 1: He'll talk about how he thinks his former teammate will

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Speaker 1: This League Uncut. Welcome to this League to Uncut in

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Speaker 1: the rule of twenty four hour NBA News. This you love.

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Speaker 2: Chris Haynes. It's coach time, work's time.

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Speaker 1: It's so time. This League Uncut is underway in on fire.

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Speaker 2: This should be a good one.

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Speaker 1: Everyone. Welcome in to a very special edition of This

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Speaker 1: League Uncut because this is Mark Stein here with Chris Haynes.

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Speaker 1: But we are not alone. We have an esteemed guest

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Speaker 1: for the first episode of this pod that really puts

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Speaker 1: us in the heart of the NBA off season. We

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Speaker 1: wanted to start silly season with a bang, with something

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Speaker 1: were recording on Thursday night for a Friday morning drop.

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Speaker 1: We've had a trade today. We've had the Lakers finally

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Speaker 1: hiring their coach today. But We've got our own little

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Speaker 1: dose of breaking news because I'm gonna bring him in now, Chris,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Jamal Crawford is joining us on

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Speaker 1: this edition of This League Uncut. Always a pleasure. You're

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Speaker 1: to see the ageless one who looks like he could

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Speaker 1: averaging fifty points in the last game I saw him.

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Speaker 1: Mister Crawford, how are you man that?

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Speaker 2: Right there? Can I take you around when I travel?

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Speaker 2: That's an intro. That is an intro.

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Speaker 3: That's a Sway level intro right there.

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Speaker 1: You know it's not even exaggerated. Though Jamal Crawford is

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Speaker 2: In a real arena. I appreciate this time, Noah honor

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Speaker 2: to be here. I said it before I came on

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Speaker 2: and before we were recording. You guys are two legends.

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Speaker 2: The Vet legend obviously, Mark Stein's been around the game,

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Speaker 2: And Chris Haynes, who's his rise, your teammates, I can

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Speaker 2: so it's really dope to watch. And now I text

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Speaker 2: him like, man, that's this to Chris Hanes. This ain't

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Speaker 1: Where did you first cross paths with Chris Hanes?

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Speaker 2: Well, I crossed pass with Big Suit in Portland. It's

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Speaker 2: Big Suit. I saw the suit before I saw him.

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Speaker 2: Big Suit was Portland, That's what it was.

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Speaker 4: That was my first that was my first year. A

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Speaker 2: But Stan, he had he had a look in his

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Speaker 3: We gotta take Jamal everywhere we go for our intros too.

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Speaker 1: He's helping our He's helping our street. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: And I think you're gonna know the story I'm bringing up.

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Speaker 2: And Chris, when you first when you first knew that

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Speaker 4: You know, you had to have his his tweets on

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Speaker 4: It was only one year, it seems it seemed longer.

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Speaker 2: Like you bring so much joy and you guys bring

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Speaker 4: Sty You know what, you know what the verses is?

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Speaker 4: I remember you said this, this concept would be gold.

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Speaker 4: You can watch it, engage and you can reminisce, and

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Speaker 4: What that would have been, dope they were on board

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Speaker 2: No, No, it wasn't gonna be me because I was

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Speaker 2: See hey, y'all family, I gotta break it. I've been

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Speaker 4: Definitely, hold on something else, he said to Star. He

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Speaker 2: Just now? This was this was literally, yeah, I gave

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Speaker 3: Us over.

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Speaker 3: What gives you that confidence that he will do really

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Speaker 2: didn't sign off on it right like they know, I

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00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: would think. You know, I'm not saying they made to

436
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,479
Speaker 2: the full decision, but let's call it what it is.

437
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: To be honest, franchise players are in the loop about

438
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: what moves are being made by the team. It's their team,

439
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 2: so to speak. So if he's there, it's because they

440
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: don't want him to be there some some way, shape

441
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 2: or form. So I would think that if he's there,

442
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 2: they he'll have their trust.

443
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: Because I have to say from my seat, look, I

444
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: think this would have been a really hard job no

445
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: matter what. Again, you have, you have no coaching experience,

446
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: The expectations in Lakerland are absolutely off the charts. But

447
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: the fact that everybody also knows they did offer this

448
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: job to Danny Hurley. Danny Hurley turned it down, but

449
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: the world knows that the Lakers offered this to someone else. First,

450
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: do we exaggerate that in the media, Like how much

451
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: Obviously you're not on that team, but you've been on

452
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: a lot of teams in your life. I mean, how

453
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: big a talking point you think that would be among players,

454
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: and how big a deal would that be among players?

455
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Speaker 2: I think emotionally it's not that big of a deal.

456
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 2: Think about how many times as players we've heard that

457
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: we're gonna get traded, then we don't get traded, and

458
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: we got it the next day. Hey, you're pro, like

459
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 2: you got to step up and lock in and layerser

460
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: focused on that. So I don't think, for example, I

461
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: don't think j J's feelings were hurt. It probably came

462
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: a little bit off guard because everything we heard was

463
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: all JJ at that time. So yeah, and then towards

464
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: the end we even heard Manti Williams right, So like

465
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: you just never know, and when you've been in this

466
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: thing for a long time, like myoie rookie year. Second year,

467
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: well then second I was hurt my rookieyear, my third year,

468
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: I was hearing my name in trade rumers. I was

469
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: emotional about it. I'm like, man, don't give my own

470
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: you got how can you? How dare you? Then I

471
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: had to look like that just mean somebody else wants

472
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: me number one, but number two it may not happen,

473
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: and you have to be a pro. And I'll learned that.

474
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: And so with that being said, like I don't think

475
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: he took that personal and going back to the hurry

476
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: things socide note, I don't think that would have been

477
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: a great fit anyway with the group they have. I

478
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: just don't. If you watch early coach, his whole thing

479
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: is built on ball movement, player movement, offense, going side

480
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: to side, not trick plays, but continuity plays, misdirection plays.

481
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not sure this Lakers group wants to

482
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: play like that. And that could have been you know,

483
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: bumping heads there, because I think in a way, when

484
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: you have Lebron and a D you're playing almost like

485
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 2: a ninety style. Its more isolation, it's a slower tempo.

486
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: It's more so how the game was in like late nineties,

487
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: early two thousands versus pacing in space, right, and I

488
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 2: think Hurley wants to want to have played more like that.

489
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: I think JJ will be kind of more into let's

490
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: play to the player strengths. They take this away, let's adjust,

491
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: let's invert this, let's look at this a little bit differently,

492
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 2: and we can still kind of have that partnership.

493
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Speaker 4: I gotta ask you this, Jamal. I gotta put you

494
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 4: on the spot, and please, I like it all right

495
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: you've been having. First of all, Jamal has been handling

496
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: pressurized questions for years and he knows how, he knows

497
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 4: how to handle it.

498
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 3: So I ain't worried about that.

499
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: Toyo Davis ran the stands with the.

500
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: So I'm asking this.

501
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 4: So, if you're in that Lakers locker room, right, and

502
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this first and foremost, I think JJ

503
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 4: will be fine. I really do think he'll be fine.

504
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: He has a great basketball mind, he has the support

505
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 4: of the key star players, ownership, management believe in him.

506
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: I think he'll be fine. Now, with that being said, Jamal,

507
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: there has been talking points on or there has been criticism,

508
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 4: I should say, of the timing of the podcast with

509
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 4: Lebron and JJ, when Darvin Ham was on the hot

510
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: seed and now leaning to JJ becoming the next head

511
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 4: coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.

512
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 3: If you're a.

513
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: Player in that locker room and you've seen how this

514
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 4: has happened, how are you feeling about JJ becoming the

515
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 4: head coach after coincidentally, you know, being a co host

516
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: along with Lebron James on the podcast.

517
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Speaker 2: Well you may look at it, Sime. She may be like,

518
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: come on, man, they was doing a pie. Now they

519
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: coaching and player together, Like, come on you, I could

520
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: see I can easily just being one hundred percent with you.

521
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: I could easily see that, even if it's not sailed

522
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: out loud, I could feel that energy from one or

523
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: two people like come on, man, like what are we doing.

524
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: But on the flip side of that, no matter who

525
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: was coming to coach, they were gonna have to be

526
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: lock and key with Lebron and Ad. That's the reality

527
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: of the situation. They were gonna have to be on

528
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: the same page with them because those guys are Hall

529
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: of Fame players, some of the best players to ever

530
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: played and still are playing at that level, both of them.

531
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Speaker 2: So you're gonna have to be like in step with

532
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: those guys. So if it was Hurley, if it was

533
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: Minnie Williams, if it was think about Minnie Williams, if

534
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: he would have got the first thing he said, Oh,

535
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: he coached ad like, you have to be in step

536
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: with these guys. So yeah, they may say that, they

537
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: may feel it, but they'll get over it because at

538
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: the end of the day, whoever was coming was gonna

539
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: have to, you know, get those guys to get their

540
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: trust and sign off on it.

541
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Speaker 1: No, it's interesting you bring up MANI because I actually

542
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: heard that of few weeks ago that in coaching circles

543
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: it did start to make the rounds that. Can you

544
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: imagine if Detroit actually lets mony go, he would be

545
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: a natural for this Laker's job. And I do think

546
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: had it happened sooner, that the Lakers would have thought

547
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: about it. But look, I don't want to speak for

548
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: Monny Williams, but I just have to imagine, after what

549
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: he has been through personally with his wife's health situation

550
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: and then the last two years being let go both

551
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: in Phoenix and Detroit, I have to think that he's

552
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna want some kind of break from the madness and

553
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: stepping into the Laker job is the furthest thing in

554
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: the world from a break. But I think I actually

555
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: have a more applicable hypothetical compared to what Chris just

556
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: asked you. The Jamal Crawford I remember he did care

557
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: about his slew of six man awards. I can't do

558
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: you have three four? I lost track how many.

559
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: Before?

560
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so see, there you go, you kind of still care.

561
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: So so jj Reddick did not vote for Anthony Davis

562
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: for first or second team defense. What would have happened

563
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: if Coach X whoever it is, took over Jamal Crawford's

564
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: team and you knew on his ballot you weren't even

565
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: in his top three for six Man of the year.

566
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: How easy, how hard or easy would that be to

567
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: let go?

568
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: You know me, knowing myself, what I would have done

569
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: and say we brought coach X in. I would have

570
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: waged like Game thirty two, when he thought, you know,

571
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: everything was good, I hit a game, would have a

572
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: big fourth quarter and the sixth man. I would say, yeah,

573
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: that's what the best six man in basketball does, and

574
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: I'll walk off and make it fun like that. I

575
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: would just store you know, you know Stan, you know

576
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: me when I got new clothes. I wasn't the guy

577
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: who warned the school the next day, I want everybody

578
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: to wear their stuff. Let it get old, let mine set,

579
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: let it simmer. And I hit him with my Jordan's

580
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: two months later with all their stuff. So I would

581
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: wait and play it that.

582
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: Way, because that's definitely gonna be one that is definitely

583
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: going to be a question JJ gets at his first

584
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: press conference, how did you not have AD on either

585
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: your first or second team all defense?

586
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: And knowing JJ, would I think he would say the JJ.

587
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: I know he would say, you know what, because JJ,

588
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: he's not He's not gonna b su so he would

589
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: come right to him. When I bet you they had

590
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: that talk. If they have it, they'll have it before

591
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: the season. Hey, let you know straight up, this is

592
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: what it is. That's how JJ communicates. So he's no,

593
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: he's no fluffs and games. He's gonna come right ask

594
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 2: you direct, let's handle this, let's deal with it.

595
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: Hold on okay, so hold on here. I'm glad you

596
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: brought that up.

597
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: Stein, So.

598
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: That's why he forgot out.

599
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 4: You know JJ Jamal and I don't think you even

600
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: have to know JJ for this, But if JJ really

601
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: thought back then that he had a great chance to

602
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: be the Lakers head coach. Why would he not put

603
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: a D on his top?

604
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

605
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: Like, so, if he knew he really had a legitimate

606
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: shot to be Lakers a.

607
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: Head coach, I would think that he would make sure

608
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: a D is first team all D.

609
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: You know what? And that's a that's a great point.

610
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't think he would necessarily be the Lakers

611
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: coach at the time, but he had a bug to coach.

612
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: But think about it, common sense, Okay, if I want

613
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: to be the Lakers coach and I get a vote,

614
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: fray d Man, he get two votes. So maybe he didn't.

615
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: Think at least second team.

616
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: At least second time.

617
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: But I'm just throwing out maybe maybe that that can

618
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: throw out the conspiracy.

619
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: That right that maybe that how you know, maybe the podcast,

620
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: So people who say the podcast was some sort of

621
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: a lot to get the Laker job, that's his that's

622
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: his out.

623
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: If I knew, I would have gave him. Yeah, JJ,

624
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: I hope you're listening to this.

625
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: There we go.

626
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: Hold, so we're talking about coaching real quick, and there

627
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: was a let me see, I'm trying to meet date

628
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: this This was actually today.

629
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: For the win Jamaal.

630
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: They had a list. It came out today for the

631
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: win had a list. It's a USA Today Branch five

632
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: former NBA players who could make the JJ Reddick leap

633
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: into coaching and they include you on that list of

634
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: five players. Uh, you just said you didn't as you

635
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: started to pile, you didn't have any aspirations of coaching.

636
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: Is that? Do you really feel that way cannot change

637
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: later on.

638
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: Because obviously people feel you have that the skill set

639
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: to do so.

640
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: I can see a change later on. To be honest

641
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: with you, because my whole thing is when I started

642
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: coaching my son, like I could see coaching him and

643
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: coaching him through. But my wife and him actually like

644
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: you should coach like what And they've never said that

645
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: because media is doing so well? Is how been so fast?

646
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: And I'm loving it? Like I love media? But shoot

647
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: J J g an eight million year off the cut

648
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: the phone man so my name and the hat. No,

649
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: I could see myself coaching. I think I'm a natural teacher.

650
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: I love the game more than anything. I love talking

651
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: the game. I love teaching the game, whether it's you know,

652
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: whoever pro or if it's a kid on the street,

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Speaker 2: like if I can help you at your game, I will.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like I am a natural coach in

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Speaker 2: some way, So never say never. Maybe at some point,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how soon or how far away, I

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Speaker 2: could see myself coaching for sure.

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Speaker 1: That does it for Part one of our two part

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Speaker 1: conversation with Turner Sports Jamal Crawford. Of course, the three

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Speaker 1: times NBA sixth Man of the Year. Part two drops tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you don't miss it, and that'll do it

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Speaker 1: for us.

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Speaker 2: See you next time.

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