1 00:00:15,304 --> 00:00:22,984 Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm Adria Chang, and I wrote the poker cheating 2 00:00:23,024 --> 00:00:27,224 Speaker 1: investigation is over. Here's what it uncovered for the La Times, 3 00:00:27,224 --> 00:00:29,944 Speaker 1: and it's the story of the week. In two thousand 4 00:00:29,984 --> 00:00:32,584 Speaker 1: and five, Playboy magazine got me a seat at the 5 00:00:32,704 --> 00:00:36,144 Speaker 1: largest tournament in the world Poker Tour, which took place 6 00:00:36,224 --> 00:00:40,144 Speaker 1: on a Holland America cruise to Mexico. There was seven 7 00:00:40,184 --> 00:00:44,064 Speaker 1: point five million dollars in prize money, and I, as 8 00:00:44,104 --> 00:00:46,024 Speaker 1: you can tell by the fact that I'm doing a podcast, 9 00:00:46,424 --> 00:00:49,264 Speaker 1: did not win. But I did survive for eight hours 10 00:00:49,464 --> 00:00:52,264 Speaker 1: thereby making it to the final third of the competition. 11 00:00:53,064 --> 00:00:56,984 Speaker 1: And then I made a mistake. Back then, poker players 12 00:00:56,984 --> 00:01:01,104 Speaker 1: wore sunglasses and these scrunched up hoodies and earphones. Basically 13 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:04,464 Speaker 1: everyone looked like the unibomber. No one talked. It was 14 00:01:04,624 --> 00:01:07,864 Speaker 1: not a lot of fun. So around the eighth hour, 15 00:01:07,984 --> 00:01:10,304 Speaker 1: I called a bluff, I'm the guy from Chicago at 16 00:01:10,344 --> 00:01:13,064 Speaker 1: my table, and it really pissed him off, so he 17 00:01:13,144 --> 00:01:15,664 Speaker 1: started peppering me with questions. I told him I was 18 00:01:15,704 --> 00:01:19,224 Speaker 1: a reporter for Playboy, which did two things. It made 19 00:01:19,264 --> 00:01:21,424 Speaker 1: him realize that I sucked and he could push me around, 20 00:01:21,784 --> 00:01:24,224 Speaker 1: and it got me the nickname Playboy for the rest 21 00:01:24,224 --> 00:01:28,864 Speaker 1: of the cruise, which was awesome. But poker today is different. 22 00:01:29,424 --> 00:01:32,864 Speaker 1: Just like everything else on social media, everybody wants to perform. 23 00:01:33,184 --> 00:01:38,824 Speaker 1: Everyone's trash talking and oversharing and jockeying for attention. Everybody's playboy, 24 00:01:40,024 --> 00:01:43,504 Speaker 1: especially the subject of this week's story, Robbie Jade Lou, 25 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:47,544 Speaker 1: who won the most suspicious hand since wild Bill Hickock 26 00:01:47,664 --> 00:01:57,304 Speaker 1: pulled aces and eights in Deadwood. Writing his hard who's 27 00:01:57,344 --> 00:02:00,744 Speaker 1: got that kind of time? When you're already busy trying 28 00:02:00,744 --> 00:02:03,544 Speaker 1: to be John Stein soil it turns on a mic 29 00:02:03,904 --> 00:02:07,224 Speaker 1: me the twidles and knob calls a journalist rand who's 30 00:02:07,264 --> 00:02:11,624 Speaker 1: got in that jewel job? On sty single story? Just 31 00:02:11,904 --> 00:02:30,544 Speaker 1: listen to smart people speak conversation. Filming information is a story, sexism, fame, 32 00:02:30,784 --> 00:02:34,584 Speaker 1: slut shaming. It all got wrapped up into one live 33 00:02:34,664 --> 00:02:38,504 Speaker 1: stream poker game and one hand in particular, where a 34 00:02:38,544 --> 00:02:41,264 Speaker 1: woman decided to bet more than one hundred thousand dollars 35 00:02:41,384 --> 00:02:45,144 Speaker 1: against all odds. Andrea Chang of the La Times got 36 00:02:45,184 --> 00:02:48,784 Speaker 1: more access to the story than any other reporter. Andrea, 37 00:02:48,984 --> 00:02:52,104 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk about poker. Thank you for 38 00:02:52,144 --> 00:02:55,504 Speaker 1: coming on this story. It all takes place during this 39 00:02:55,704 --> 00:03:00,064 Speaker 1: one hand of poker back on September twenty ninth at 40 00:03:00,064 --> 00:03:03,904 Speaker 1: the Hustler Casino, right correct, Yeah, this whole idea of 41 00:03:03,984 --> 00:03:06,024 Speaker 1: Hustler just kind of turns me off of the casino. 42 00:03:06,264 --> 00:03:08,264 Speaker 1: Is there like a porty kind of element to it, 43 00:03:08,304 --> 00:03:10,184 Speaker 1: like in the cocktail waitresses or anything, or it's just 44 00:03:10,224 --> 00:03:13,744 Speaker 1: a normal casino, no porny element. The times that I've 45 00:03:13,744 --> 00:03:18,344 Speaker 1: been there, it's just more like the Cosmopolitan in Vegas, 46 00:03:18,624 --> 00:03:22,584 Speaker 1: Like that's the Vial. Oh I've played there, Okay, yeah, 47 00:03:22,744 --> 00:03:27,064 Speaker 1: but a plush, sparkly kind of place. And they now 48 00:03:27,264 --> 00:03:30,504 Speaker 1: host on YouTube the most popular streamed poker game in 49 00:03:30,504 --> 00:03:33,544 Speaker 1: the country. And while this particular hand is going on, 50 00:03:33,944 --> 00:03:37,784 Speaker 1: there are twenty thousand people watching live on YouTube right right. 51 00:03:37,944 --> 00:03:39,664 Speaker 1: They call it a live stream, but because there is 52 00:03:39,704 --> 00:03:42,864 Speaker 1: a few hour delay, I call it a streamed poker show. 53 00:03:43,064 --> 00:03:48,344 Speaker 1: It happens every weeknight Mondays through Fridays, and in a 54 00:03:48,464 --> 00:03:50,584 Speaker 1: very short amount of time. I mean it's only been 55 00:03:51,024 --> 00:03:53,824 Speaker 1: on air for less than a year and a half 56 00:03:53,824 --> 00:03:57,384 Speaker 1: at this point, and it's just like become this massive 57 00:03:57,464 --> 00:04:00,824 Speaker 1: success for people who like to watch poker on YouTube. 58 00:04:01,304 --> 00:04:04,104 Speaker 1: Why is this one particularly compelling. I think that for 59 00:04:04,224 --> 00:04:08,464 Speaker 1: other shows, other poker shows, they're kind of more buttoned up. 60 00:04:08,464 --> 00:04:12,184 Speaker 1: In Syria, there's not a lot of table chatter. You 61 00:04:12,264 --> 00:04:14,424 Speaker 1: don't really know who you're going to get at any 62 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:19,664 Speaker 1: particular table, whereas with Hustler Kissin Alive, it's heavily curated. 63 00:04:19,824 --> 00:04:22,704 Speaker 1: So they have these producers who are in charge of 64 00:04:22,784 --> 00:04:27,184 Speaker 1: picking colorful personalities. Everyone knows how to play poker, but 65 00:04:27,304 --> 00:04:30,064 Speaker 1: a lot of the players are like, they can be 66 00:04:30,104 --> 00:04:34,304 Speaker 1: YouTube stars, they can be professional sports players, they can 67 00:04:34,344 --> 00:04:38,024 Speaker 1: be recreational players who are known to be kind of 68 00:04:38,384 --> 00:04:41,064 Speaker 1: terrible but like to bet big. It's like a hot 69 00:04:41,144 --> 00:04:43,744 Speaker 1: mess of poker, right. Like I looked online and there 70 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:47,104 Speaker 1: was Poker Bunny and Doctor and mister Batman. They are 71 00:04:47,144 --> 00:04:49,664 Speaker 1: like people you'd find it comic con. Yeah, so it's 72 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:52,224 Speaker 1: funny that you mentioned that. So a few weeks ago, 73 00:04:52,424 --> 00:04:55,024 Speaker 1: there was a player who likes to go by Sashimi 74 00:04:55,064 --> 00:04:59,384 Speaker 1: and she wore it was like a fake. It was 75 00:04:59,384 --> 00:05:03,184 Speaker 1: like prosthetic breasts with like a nipple showing. Okay, And 76 00:05:03,504 --> 00:05:05,744 Speaker 1: the thing is, when you're watching on YouTube, you couldn't 77 00:05:05,784 --> 00:05:07,904 Speaker 1: tell that it was fake, And you're right, it ends 78 00:05:07,944 --> 00:05:10,264 Speaker 1: up being a little bit of a sp Well, this 79 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:13,264 Speaker 1: explains a little bit of what happened because it's a 80 00:05:13,304 --> 00:05:16,984 Speaker 1: table full of people. The two people who wind up 81 00:05:17,064 --> 00:05:20,744 Speaker 1: being at the heart of this thing are very different types. 82 00:05:20,864 --> 00:05:23,424 Speaker 1: One of them is Garrett Edelstein, who's like the most 83 00:05:23,424 --> 00:05:27,784 Speaker 1: popular player on this stream show. Right yeah, so Garrett, 84 00:05:27,904 --> 00:05:32,264 Speaker 1: and actually Garrett goes by Garrett Adelstein. Correct the jew 85 00:05:32,544 --> 00:05:38,064 Speaker 1: on the pronunciation of Adelstein stars Sorry sorry, Yeah. So 86 00:05:38,224 --> 00:05:42,784 Speaker 1: Garrett is actually one of the best cash game poker 87 00:05:42,784 --> 00:05:46,944 Speaker 1: players in the world, and he also became the face 88 00:05:47,024 --> 00:05:49,944 Speaker 1: of Hustler Casino Alive, one of the most regular players, 89 00:05:50,304 --> 00:05:53,504 Speaker 1: one of the most winningest players on the show, known 90 00:05:53,584 --> 00:05:58,584 Speaker 1: to be like upstanding straight shooter. He'd been on Survivor, 91 00:05:58,664 --> 00:06:01,384 Speaker 1: the TV show, right yeah, he was a twenty thirteen 92 00:06:01,464 --> 00:06:04,984 Speaker 1: Survivor contestant. And one of the other players at the 93 00:06:05,024 --> 00:06:08,184 Speaker 1: table is relatively in amateur like she literally learned to 94 00:06:08,264 --> 00:06:12,504 Speaker 1: play during COVID And that's Robbie Jade Lou. Yeah, so, 95 00:06:12,584 --> 00:06:15,664 Speaker 1: Robbie came out of nowhere on the Hustler Casino Live. 96 00:06:15,984 --> 00:06:20,224 Speaker 1: She used to be a biopharmaceuticals rep. She's born in 97 00:06:20,264 --> 00:06:24,384 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. Her mom was a doctor, father was a physicist. 98 00:06:24,904 --> 00:06:27,264 Speaker 1: I do think she's pretty well off. She has an 99 00:06:27,264 --> 00:06:29,664 Speaker 1: open Instagram, so she puts herself out there, and the 100 00:06:29,704 --> 00:06:36,624 Speaker 1: bikini shots, the incredible exotifications, the quadro of beautiful women 101 00:06:36,864 --> 00:06:40,544 Speaker 1: that she's friends with, living in Pacific Palisades, having two 102 00:06:40,584 --> 00:06:44,704 Speaker 1: little dogs. Right, so she certainly seems to live a 103 00:06:44,744 --> 00:06:47,824 Speaker 1: certain West Deli lifestyle. She's a little bit of an 104 00:06:47,824 --> 00:06:51,944 Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie look, and she dresses very provocatively when she 105 00:06:51,984 --> 00:06:55,104 Speaker 1: plays poker at least, right, yes, definitely when she plays poker, 106 00:06:55,424 --> 00:06:58,544 Speaker 1: she does. And so after my first story ran, there's 107 00:06:58,544 --> 00:07:00,224 Speaker 1: all these people on Twitter being like, hey, when this 108 00:07:00,304 --> 00:07:03,184 Speaker 1: turns into a movie, Angelie and Jolie should totally play her. 109 00:07:03,744 --> 00:07:08,744 Speaker 1: So okay, So on that day when they're playing on 110 00:07:08,744 --> 00:07:14,544 Speaker 1: this and Garrett bets on his hand, his two cards 111 00:07:14,544 --> 00:07:17,984 Speaker 1: that no one's seen, and everyone else folds except her, 112 00:07:18,744 --> 00:07:21,144 Speaker 1: and he has a pretty good hand, it could develop 113 00:07:21,224 --> 00:07:23,744 Speaker 1: into a pretty good hand. She does not. She has 114 00:07:23,744 --> 00:07:26,424 Speaker 1: a hand that really can't go anywhere, and he keeps 115 00:07:26,424 --> 00:07:30,544 Speaker 1: increasing his betting and she stays in even though her 116 00:07:30,584 --> 00:07:34,104 Speaker 1: hand isn't getting any better, and he's got a huge 117 00:07:34,144 --> 00:07:35,784 Speaker 1: stack of money in front of him, like over eight 118 00:07:35,824 --> 00:07:39,104 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. She's got about one hundred thirty thousand, 119 00:07:39,424 --> 00:07:41,544 Speaker 1: so he can bully her a little bit at the table. 120 00:07:42,264 --> 00:07:45,584 Speaker 1: Then he forces her all in. If she's going to 121 00:07:45,664 --> 00:07:48,024 Speaker 1: call him on his bet, she has to put all 122 00:07:48,064 --> 00:07:52,544 Speaker 1: of her money in. And there's no rational reason, given 123 00:07:52,744 --> 00:07:55,664 Speaker 1: her hand and her lack of knowledge about what he does, 124 00:07:56,464 --> 00:07:58,584 Speaker 1: for her to go in. She can't bluff because he's 125 00:07:59,504 --> 00:08:01,424 Speaker 1: the aggressive one. All she can do is match him, 126 00:08:01,864 --> 00:08:04,624 Speaker 1: So there's no logic to what she does right, right, 127 00:08:04,664 --> 00:08:07,464 Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly why Garrett and other people 128 00:08:08,184 --> 00:08:12,504 Speaker 1: immediately flat did as suspicious because her hand from the 129 00:08:12,544 --> 00:08:15,584 Speaker 1: start was pretty terrible even for people I think who 130 00:08:15,624 --> 00:08:18,984 Speaker 1: don't play poker. If your two whole cards, your two 131 00:08:19,064 --> 00:08:22,304 Speaker 1: hidden cards are what Robbie had, which was the jack 132 00:08:22,344 --> 00:08:27,144 Speaker 1: of clubs and the four of hearts, that's pretty terrible 133 00:08:27,224 --> 00:08:30,904 Speaker 1: to start off with. Yeah, and Garrett has the seven 134 00:08:30,944 --> 00:08:33,224 Speaker 1: and eight of clubs, and then you know there's a 135 00:08:33,264 --> 00:08:35,384 Speaker 1: lot of context for this as well too. Right, she's 136 00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:38,384 Speaker 1: a new player, he's established as one of the best, 137 00:08:38,984 --> 00:08:43,224 Speaker 1: and he is from the outset betting incredibly aggressively. I mean, 138 00:08:43,264 --> 00:08:46,624 Speaker 1: he's known to do that, but he is certainly acting 139 00:08:46,664 --> 00:08:49,784 Speaker 1: as though he has something and it. It'd be one 140 00:08:49,784 --> 00:08:52,344 Speaker 1: thing if she also had a hand, but she didn't, right, 141 00:08:52,384 --> 00:08:54,624 Speaker 1: because then she could think she's calling his bluff if 142 00:08:54,624 --> 00:08:56,824 Speaker 1: she believes he's bluffing. But when you have nothing, you 143 00:08:56,864 --> 00:09:00,544 Speaker 1: can't call someone's bluff, right, That's exactly right. She's changed 144 00:09:00,544 --> 00:09:02,544 Speaker 1: her story a couple of times. At one point, she 145 00:09:02,824 --> 00:09:05,824 Speaker 1: said she misread her cards and actually thought she had 146 00:09:05,824 --> 00:09:08,304 Speaker 1: a pair as opposed to what she really had, which 147 00:09:08,304 --> 00:09:11,544 Speaker 1: was crap. Does misread your cards mean when you're betting 148 00:09:11,544 --> 00:09:14,424 Speaker 1: for two hundred and sixty nine thousand dollars? Like I 149 00:09:14,464 --> 00:09:16,504 Speaker 1: have never bet more than like ten dollars and not 150 00:09:16,544 --> 00:09:19,304 Speaker 1: known exactly what my cards were underneath, And if I didn't, 151 00:09:19,304 --> 00:09:21,944 Speaker 1: I looked again totally. So, like I said, she had 152 00:09:21,944 --> 00:09:24,304 Speaker 1: the jacket clubs and the four of hearts. After the hand, 153 00:09:24,344 --> 00:09:26,304 Speaker 1: she tried to say that she thought that that four 154 00:09:26,424 --> 00:09:29,024 Speaker 1: was a three, So if she had had a jack 155 00:09:29,064 --> 00:09:30,864 Speaker 1: in a three, there was a three on the board, 156 00:09:31,264 --> 00:09:33,544 Speaker 1: and then she would have had a pair. That's still crap. 157 00:09:33,704 --> 00:09:36,704 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it is still crap. Okay, So then the 158 00:09:36,784 --> 00:09:39,264 Speaker 1: dealer shows the last card of the hand, which is 159 00:09:39,304 --> 00:09:42,264 Speaker 1: the moment when she wins, which, let me just explain 160 00:09:42,344 --> 00:09:45,184 Speaker 1: this for all the non degenerates who don't play poker. 161 00:09:46,064 --> 00:09:49,944 Speaker 1: When the final shared card is turned over, Garrett doesn't 162 00:09:49,984 --> 00:09:53,384 Speaker 1: get to hit his big hand. So when they both 163 00:09:53,504 --> 00:09:57,704 Speaker 1: turn over their two hidden cards, everybody sees that neither 164 00:09:57,784 --> 00:10:00,984 Speaker 1: of them have anything. And at that point, the person 165 00:10:01,024 --> 00:10:04,224 Speaker 1: who's just holding the highest card wins. She's holding a 166 00:10:04,304 --> 00:10:08,104 Speaker 1: jack which beats his eight. So what happens when it's 167 00:10:08,104 --> 00:10:11,784 Speaker 1: all over and finally sees her hand. This clip has 168 00:10:11,824 --> 00:10:15,184 Speaker 1: gone viral on YouTube. It's been watched millions of times. 169 00:10:15,344 --> 00:10:18,464 Speaker 1: As soon as she turns over her cards, you see 170 00:10:18,784 --> 00:10:23,584 Speaker 1: Garrett's expression just completely change. It looks like he's seen 171 00:10:23,584 --> 00:10:27,664 Speaker 1: a ghost. He starts looking around almost like he's like dizzy, 172 00:10:27,704 --> 00:10:29,984 Speaker 1: like he cannot believe what has just happened. But what 173 00:10:30,144 --> 00:10:32,824 Speaker 1: is Robbie's reaction after her win? And what's like the 174 00:10:32,824 --> 00:10:36,104 Speaker 1: atmosphere in the room at that point. Yeah, so the 175 00:10:36,384 --> 00:10:39,664 Speaker 1: entire table is shocked. I mean Garrett of course most 176 00:10:39,704 --> 00:10:41,824 Speaker 1: of all, but everyone else said the tables like, oh 177 00:10:41,904 --> 00:10:44,744 Speaker 1: my god, you know, I think someone's like, now that's poker. 178 00:10:44,784 --> 00:10:51,384 Speaker 1: And then Robbie's sitting there, she's smiling. She then starts 179 00:10:51,424 --> 00:10:55,144 Speaker 1: to say a bunch of stuff that is a little strange, 180 00:10:55,184 --> 00:10:59,224 Speaker 1: Like at one point she's like, I'm a bluff catcher, 181 00:10:59,344 --> 00:11:01,704 Speaker 1: Like I knew you had shit, You've done this to 182 00:11:01,744 --> 00:11:05,384 Speaker 1: me before. Then she's like, later says she like misread 183 00:11:05,424 --> 00:11:08,224 Speaker 1: her hand, so she's not being her reaction is a 184 00:11:08,264 --> 00:11:12,264 Speaker 1: little bit inconsistent. And then we find out later that 185 00:11:12,784 --> 00:11:15,384 Speaker 1: he and Robbie and the producer of the show go 186 00:11:15,464 --> 00:11:19,144 Speaker 1: off to one area of Hustler and they have a conversation, 187 00:11:19,944 --> 00:11:21,984 Speaker 1: and the two of them, I've spoken to them both 188 00:11:22,024 --> 00:11:26,024 Speaker 1: about what happened in that hallway. Their versions are slightly different, 189 00:11:26,304 --> 00:11:29,664 Speaker 1: but ultimately, you know what happened was Robbie gave back 190 00:11:30,264 --> 00:11:35,144 Speaker 1: Garrett's half of the pot, which further raise suspicions because 191 00:11:35,144 --> 00:11:38,144 Speaker 1: it was like, well, if you won fair and square, 192 00:11:38,264 --> 00:11:41,464 Speaker 1: why would you offer to give the money back, which 193 00:11:41,464 --> 00:11:44,424 Speaker 1: she gave him all of his money back. She gave him, Yeah, 194 00:11:44,424 --> 00:11:47,744 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars back half the pot. 195 00:11:48,264 --> 00:11:51,144 Speaker 1: That doesn't even happen like on Deadwood, if someone pulls 196 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:54,544 Speaker 1: out a gun, it's that's giving back money is almost 197 00:11:54,544 --> 00:11:57,224 Speaker 1: more against the rules of actual cheating and poker. Yeah, 198 00:11:57,424 --> 00:11:59,984 Speaker 1: so the giving back. And there are a few things 199 00:12:00,024 --> 00:12:04,144 Speaker 1: on the Robbie and that looked strange besides the play, 200 00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:07,384 Speaker 1: but one of them was the offer to give back 201 00:12:07,384 --> 00:12:09,504 Speaker 1: the money. And when I talked her about and what 202 00:12:09,584 --> 00:12:12,304 Speaker 1: she said also on Twitter or whatever, She's like, I 203 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:14,424 Speaker 1: have a lot of money. It's not a big deal. 204 00:12:14,504 --> 00:12:17,384 Speaker 1: I just wanted the game to continue going. So I 205 00:12:17,424 --> 00:12:18,984 Speaker 1: just thought if I gave him his money back, we 206 00:12:18,984 --> 00:12:21,304 Speaker 1: could just sit down and would all blow over. So 207 00:12:21,344 --> 00:12:25,864 Speaker 1: a few hours after this event, Garrett posts this long 208 00:12:26,144 --> 00:12:29,824 Speaker 1: notes app screenshot on Twitter and by the way, nothing 209 00:12:29,824 --> 00:12:32,584 Speaker 1: good ever happens after a notes app screenshot on Twitter 210 00:12:32,984 --> 00:12:35,024 Speaker 1: in which he accuses her of cheating for the first time, 211 00:12:35,424 --> 00:12:37,784 Speaker 1: and what exactly does he say there? He said, I'm 212 00:12:37,784 --> 00:12:40,864 Speaker 1: well aware that the scariest, easiest way for someone to 213 00:12:40,944 --> 00:12:43,104 Speaker 1: cheat a live stream is to have a device hidden 214 00:12:43,144 --> 00:12:45,744 Speaker 1: that simply vibrates to indicate you have the best hand. 215 00:12:45,784 --> 00:12:47,544 Speaker 1: And why is this thing on delay? Is that to 216 00:12:47,584 --> 00:12:50,224 Speaker 1: prevent cheating? Like? Why is it aired two hours later? Okay, 217 00:12:50,304 --> 00:12:52,904 Speaker 1: that's exactly why. Yeah, so how could she have cheated 218 00:12:53,024 --> 00:12:55,864 Speaker 1: in a tape situation like this? Right? So, like back 219 00:12:55,904 --> 00:12:57,184 Speaker 1: in the day, if you ever watch the world here. 220 00:12:57,184 --> 00:12:59,704 Speaker 1: As of poker and television, each player used to like 221 00:12:59,864 --> 00:13:02,064 Speaker 1: furtively like flip up their cars and you might see 222 00:13:02,144 --> 00:13:03,824 Speaker 1: like a little corner of an ace and little corner 223 00:13:03,824 --> 00:13:07,264 Speaker 1: of a king. Fine. But now they use RFID, And 224 00:13:07,344 --> 00:13:10,544 Speaker 1: what that means is that your two whole cards, the 225 00:13:10,584 --> 00:13:14,184 Speaker 1: two hidden cards, the unique rank and suit, can be 226 00:13:14,384 --> 00:13:19,064 Speaker 1: transmitted to a receiver without you ever having to flip 227 00:13:19,144 --> 00:13:21,384 Speaker 1: up your cards and show it to a camera. Well, 228 00:13:21,744 --> 00:13:25,704 Speaker 1: the show has a control room, and there are production 229 00:13:25,744 --> 00:13:29,544 Speaker 1: employees in the control room who can see every single 230 00:13:29,544 --> 00:13:33,624 Speaker 1: player's cards, right, so there is certainly a way and 231 00:13:33,704 --> 00:13:36,984 Speaker 1: this is what Garrett suspected, that someone in the control 232 00:13:37,104 --> 00:13:40,144 Speaker 1: room could see his cards and Ronalds's cards and then 233 00:13:40,264 --> 00:13:44,544 Speaker 1: signal to Robbie and or an accomplice what everyone has. 234 00:13:44,784 --> 00:13:47,184 Speaker 1: And there is in fact a point when it kind 235 00:13:47,224 --> 00:13:51,504 Speaker 1: of looks like she's shaking or the chair is shaking, 236 00:13:51,504 --> 00:13:54,184 Speaker 1: if people were like see she was being signaled that 237 00:13:54,304 --> 00:13:58,224 Speaker 1: she had the best hand. Okay, so you can see 238 00:13:58,264 --> 00:14:00,464 Speaker 1: what the cards are in the control room. In fact, 239 00:14:00,464 --> 00:14:02,904 Speaker 1: it's on monitors there. Anyone who's working on the show 240 00:14:02,944 --> 00:14:04,944 Speaker 1: can see it. So the question is how do you 241 00:14:04,984 --> 00:14:08,544 Speaker 1: give that information to Robbie and that's the confusing part, 242 00:14:08,624 --> 00:14:12,464 Speaker 1: right right, right. So then people, again this is all subpositions. 243 00:14:12,504 --> 00:14:17,064 Speaker 1: People were like, she must have some sort of device 244 00:14:17,304 --> 00:14:20,904 Speaker 1: on her. And then again people looking at carefully looking 245 00:14:20,904 --> 00:14:23,224 Speaker 1: at what she was wearing that day, you'll if you 246 00:14:23,264 --> 00:14:25,464 Speaker 1: see it on Twitter, people were like, there's a bulge 247 00:14:25,504 --> 00:14:28,464 Speaker 1: in her leggings. She's wearing these Fendi leggings. And people 248 00:14:28,544 --> 00:14:31,584 Speaker 1: zoomed in and froze the screen grab and they're like, 249 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:34,504 Speaker 1: something's in her leg, like on her thigh, and they 250 00:14:34,504 --> 00:14:37,064 Speaker 1: were thinking that it was like a buzzing device and 251 00:14:37,144 --> 00:14:40,024 Speaker 1: that the production employee could just send her a buzzing 252 00:14:40,064 --> 00:14:44,504 Speaker 1: signal that just simply said like you're good, as opposed 253 00:14:44,544 --> 00:14:46,664 Speaker 1: to being like he's got the seven and the eight 254 00:14:46,824 --> 00:14:48,784 Speaker 1: or whatever, but just simply that you're good. And then 255 00:14:48,824 --> 00:14:51,024 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, made that explains why she stayed in, 256 00:14:51,144 --> 00:14:53,744 Speaker 1: even though to the viewer, you're like, how the hell 257 00:14:53,824 --> 00:14:55,704 Speaker 1: could you stay in with the cards that you have, 258 00:14:56,184 --> 00:14:58,944 Speaker 1: because all she the only information she was being signaled 259 00:14:59,384 --> 00:15:03,824 Speaker 1: was that you're ahead. Again, this is totally rampant speculation, 260 00:15:03,864 --> 00:15:06,024 Speaker 1: but that's what people were thinking with the bulge and 261 00:15:06,024 --> 00:15:08,464 Speaker 1: the buzzing and the hitting camera and all these things. 262 00:15:09,104 --> 00:15:12,664 Speaker 1: In the chess cheating scandal, everyone assumed he had a 263 00:15:12,744 --> 00:15:15,464 Speaker 1: vibrating butt plug, But there's no butt plug talk this time. 264 00:15:15,704 --> 00:15:21,024 Speaker 1: In the poker scandal right there, there was no vibrating 265 00:15:21,064 --> 00:15:24,704 Speaker 1: butt plug. Good for you, hustler poker fans for not 266 00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:27,544 Speaker 1: going there. Compared to the chat the dirty chess people, 267 00:15:28,104 --> 00:15:30,224 Speaker 1: how did you get in touch with Robbie? My editor 268 00:15:30,224 --> 00:15:32,464 Speaker 1: and I were chatting and he was saying, you know, 269 00:15:32,504 --> 00:15:35,264 Speaker 1: she lives in Pacific palisades, like, you should see if 270 00:15:35,304 --> 00:15:38,984 Speaker 1: she'll if she'll chat with you. And I feel like, 271 00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:42,344 Speaker 1: typically in situations like this, when someone's been accused of 272 00:15:42,464 --> 00:15:46,664 Speaker 1: cheating by someone high profile, they're probably not dying to 273 00:15:46,744 --> 00:15:49,784 Speaker 1: like hop on the phone to talk. But I was 274 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:52,944 Speaker 1: like sure. I dammed her over Twitter and over Instagram, 275 00:15:53,144 --> 00:15:56,384 Speaker 1: and the next day she had written me back and 276 00:15:56,424 --> 00:15:59,224 Speaker 1: she said sure, let's chat. So we got on the 277 00:15:59,224 --> 00:16:03,024 Speaker 1: phone later that day and she immediate leaves, just like 278 00:16:03,344 --> 00:16:06,224 Speaker 1: I'm going to clear my name. Everyone's saying that I 279 00:16:06,304 --> 00:16:09,864 Speaker 1: cheated by using having a hidden camera one hundred and 280 00:16:09,864 --> 00:16:11,944 Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars ring, and I'm going to prove them 281 00:16:11,984 --> 00:16:14,184 Speaker 1: wrong because tomorrow I'm going to go to my jeweler 282 00:16:14,184 --> 00:16:17,024 Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills and he's going to scan my ring 283 00:16:17,104 --> 00:16:19,944 Speaker 1: and show that there's not a hidden camera inside. And 284 00:16:20,024 --> 00:16:24,304 Speaker 1: I said, oh, this is happening tomorrow and she said yeah. 285 00:16:24,344 --> 00:16:26,744 Speaker 1: And I said can I come with you? And she 286 00:16:26,864 --> 00:16:29,184 Speaker 1: said okay. And I asked her, I can I bring 287 00:16:29,184 --> 00:16:32,464 Speaker 1: a photographer? And you know, again, as a reporter for 288 00:16:32,504 --> 00:16:37,144 Speaker 1: pretty long usually you tend to get some pushback, and 289 00:16:37,264 --> 00:16:39,184 Speaker 1: with her, everything was like, sure, come with me to 290 00:16:39,224 --> 00:16:43,024 Speaker 1: the jeweler, bring her photographer. And the three of us 291 00:16:43,064 --> 00:16:45,384 Speaker 1: met the next day and her husband also joined at 292 00:16:45,424 --> 00:16:49,544 Speaker 1: the jewelry store, and there was no hidden camera in 293 00:16:49,624 --> 00:16:55,344 Speaker 1: her ring as expected. There are only a few possibilities here. 294 00:16:55,584 --> 00:16:59,264 Speaker 1: Either she cheated, she missed her at her cards, or 295 00:16:59,344 --> 00:17:03,064 Speaker 1: she's the falsiest, luckiest person ever to play live poker. 296 00:17:03,824 --> 00:17:06,024 Speaker 1: And the poker community was going to do whatever it 297 00:17:06,104 --> 00:17:09,424 Speaker 1: took to find out. But first, our advertiser are going 298 00:17:09,424 --> 00:17:11,424 Speaker 1: to try and cheat you out of your money in 299 00:17:11,544 --> 00:17:21,704 Speaker 1: a very sophisticated way. The world of poker went into 300 00:17:21,744 --> 00:17:26,184 Speaker 1: a paranoid frenzy over Robbie Jadelu's win. People in the 301 00:17:26,224 --> 00:17:28,824 Speaker 1: poker community are so incensed by this that they raised 302 00:17:28,864 --> 00:17:31,384 Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bounty for any 303 00:17:31,424 --> 00:17:34,664 Speaker 1: information about her cheating. Right, they were incensed, and then 304 00:17:34,704 --> 00:17:38,384 Speaker 1: there was also just this huge curiosity about what happened, 305 00:17:38,424 --> 00:17:40,784 Speaker 1: and a lot of people banded together and yeah, all 306 00:17:40,824 --> 00:17:44,024 Speaker 1: told quarter million dollars bounty which turned up nothing, right. Yeah. 307 00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:47,584 Speaker 1: So then several weeks later, co owner of Hustler Casino 308 00:17:47,704 --> 00:17:50,304 Speaker 1: Live said that they were going to launch an investigation 309 00:17:50,384 --> 00:17:53,224 Speaker 1: to look into these cheating allegations. And okay, so this 310 00:17:53,304 --> 00:17:56,584 Speaker 1: investigation they do, they like tear up the joint, right, 311 00:17:56,584 --> 00:17:58,584 Speaker 1: like they take a part in the table and the room. 312 00:17:58,664 --> 00:18:01,184 Speaker 1: They're just looking for anything. Yes, yeah, So it was 313 00:18:01,224 --> 00:18:05,264 Speaker 1: a nearly three month investigation, and High Stakes Poker Productions, 314 00:18:05,304 --> 00:18:09,744 Speaker 1: which is the production company behind Hustler Casino Live, they 315 00:18:10,264 --> 00:18:16,744 Speaker 1: ended up hiring like PI firm, tech firm, law firm. 316 00:18:16,944 --> 00:18:20,984 Speaker 1: And what's their conclusion, Well, it concluded with no findings 317 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:25,064 Speaker 1: of wrongdoing against Robbie or anyone else, but that it 318 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:28,264 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that no wrongdoing occurred, right, And the quote 319 00:18:28,304 --> 00:18:31,504 Speaker 1: was it means that the investigation failed to find credible evidence. 320 00:18:31,824 --> 00:18:33,784 Speaker 1: So in that sense it was a little bit open ended. 321 00:18:34,104 --> 00:18:38,664 Speaker 1: But they found two insanely suspicious things. The first is 322 00:18:38,704 --> 00:18:43,104 Speaker 1: that Robbie's stack of money wasn't her. She was staked, 323 00:18:43,104 --> 00:18:45,344 Speaker 1: which isn't a weird thing in poker. People staked players 324 00:18:45,344 --> 00:18:48,184 Speaker 1: all the time, But she was staked by someone else 325 00:18:48,264 --> 00:18:52,064 Speaker 1: at the table that they're playing with. So that's cheating 326 00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:54,904 Speaker 1: in and of itself. You can't have two people inca 327 00:18:54,984 --> 00:18:59,224 Speaker 1: hoots against everyone else and not telling anyone. Yeah, so 328 00:18:59,464 --> 00:19:02,144 Speaker 1: that came out. There's this other player at the table's 329 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:05,624 Speaker 1: name is Jacob. He goes by Rip. He was playing 330 00:19:05,944 --> 00:19:08,024 Speaker 1: at the table that night, and it came out later 331 00:19:08,064 --> 00:19:09,944 Speaker 1: that he gave her the money need to play that night. 332 00:19:11,064 --> 00:19:12,904 Speaker 1: It is strange in the sense that she was telling 333 00:19:12,984 --> 00:19:15,624 Speaker 1: me that she has so much money herself, and like 334 00:19:15,664 --> 00:19:18,904 Speaker 1: there is there's some clips that just don't look good, 335 00:19:18,984 --> 00:19:23,984 Speaker 1: Like it's clear that Robbie and Rip are communicating during 336 00:19:24,024 --> 00:19:26,704 Speaker 1: the game, Like at one point it totally looks like 337 00:19:26,744 --> 00:19:35,544 Speaker 1: she's mouthing like her cards to Rip. So yeah, oh yeah, 338 00:19:35,664 --> 00:19:39,624 Speaker 1: that's that's cheating. Yeah, I mean, it definitely should not 339 00:19:39,624 --> 00:19:43,784 Speaker 1: be happening. And there's something even more suspicious, which is 340 00:19:44,464 --> 00:19:47,864 Speaker 1: this twenty four year old producer of this stream this 341 00:19:47,904 --> 00:19:54,304 Speaker 1: episode after the whole game's over, he takes fifteen thousand 342 00:19:54,304 --> 00:19:57,784 Speaker 1: dollars in chips from loose stack. Right. This guy named 343 00:19:57,784 --> 00:20:02,904 Speaker 1: Brian sag Bisol. After cameras stopped filming that night for 344 00:20:02,944 --> 00:20:07,184 Speaker 1: the show, he walked up to that poker table when 345 00:20:07,264 --> 00:20:10,264 Speaker 1: Robbie was away from her chip stack, and he swiped 346 00:20:10,464 --> 00:20:15,464 Speaker 1: three five thousand dollars ships from her chips deck. This 347 00:20:15,664 --> 00:20:20,344 Speaker 1: is very suspicious first, that a production employee would still 348 00:20:20,344 --> 00:20:24,224 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars from any player, and that that player 349 00:20:24,264 --> 00:20:27,864 Speaker 1: would be Robbie, and that it happened on the night 350 00:20:28,104 --> 00:20:32,904 Speaker 1: of the hand in question, right, So that immediately flipped 351 00:20:32,904 --> 00:20:36,304 Speaker 1: a lot of people from Team Robbie to Team Garrett. 352 00:20:37,304 --> 00:20:41,424 Speaker 1: Robbie then came out and said she does not know Brian, 353 00:20:41,504 --> 00:20:44,264 Speaker 1: she's never spoken with him, had no idea who he was, 354 00:20:44,384 --> 00:20:47,144 Speaker 1: and that it was just a complete coincidence. People were like, 355 00:20:47,184 --> 00:20:49,344 Speaker 1: you guys follow each other on Twitter. She's like, I 356 00:20:49,344 --> 00:20:51,224 Speaker 1: follow a lot of people who follow me on Twitter, 357 00:20:52,144 --> 00:20:55,944 Speaker 1: and then separately said she wasn't going to press charges 358 00:20:56,024 --> 00:20:59,264 Speaker 1: or file a police report against Brian, and that further 359 00:20:59,384 --> 00:21:01,664 Speaker 1: led people be like, why wouldn't you file a police 360 00:21:01,664 --> 00:21:03,984 Speaker 1: report against someone who still fifteen thousand dollars from you, 361 00:21:04,024 --> 00:21:07,864 Speaker 1: and she's like, well, she'd found out that he was 362 00:21:07,904 --> 00:21:12,224 Speaker 1: in financial straight and had no priors, which ended up 363 00:21:12,264 --> 00:21:14,784 Speaker 1: not being true, and again came out with I don't 364 00:21:14,784 --> 00:21:17,464 Speaker 1: need the money, but he did. Yes, he had an 365 00:21:17,464 --> 00:21:20,824 Speaker 1: extensive criminal record, and he had access to see the 366 00:21:20,864 --> 00:21:23,744 Speaker 1: cards to the RFID signals. Right, that's exactly right. He 367 00:21:23,904 --> 00:21:26,304 Speaker 1: was the one who could see all the cards. And 368 00:21:26,384 --> 00:21:29,864 Speaker 1: where is he now? That is an excellent question. Everyone 369 00:21:30,064 --> 00:21:34,184 Speaker 1: wants to know where Brian is. Because Robbie changed her tune, 370 00:21:34,264 --> 00:21:37,344 Speaker 1: a lot of people obviously came after her and said, 371 00:21:37,424 --> 00:21:40,704 Speaker 1: how could you not file report against this guy? He 372 00:21:40,784 --> 00:21:43,424 Speaker 1: stole from you and it looks suspicious like you guys 373 00:21:43,424 --> 00:21:45,544 Speaker 1: are in cahoots the fact that you're like letting him 374 00:21:45,584 --> 00:21:48,624 Speaker 1: go free. So she about a week or so later, 375 00:21:48,784 --> 00:21:52,864 Speaker 1: changed her mind, contacted Guardina Pete and did file police report. 376 00:21:53,344 --> 00:21:56,824 Speaker 1: They then did their own investigation and several weeks later 377 00:21:58,144 --> 00:22:02,664 Speaker 1: tried to arrest Brian. They were unable to find Brian, 378 00:22:03,144 --> 00:22:06,024 Speaker 1: even though I had found Brian a few weeks prior 379 00:22:06,384 --> 00:22:09,544 Speaker 1: in Long Beach at Yes at his then girlfriend. I 380 00:22:09,624 --> 00:22:13,664 Speaker 1: got a list of potential addresses from our librarian at 381 00:22:13,664 --> 00:22:16,184 Speaker 1: the LA Times one of them was in Long Beach. 382 00:22:16,264 --> 00:22:19,224 Speaker 1: So one weekend I just drove down there and knocked 383 00:22:19,224 --> 00:22:22,024 Speaker 1: on the door and a man answered it, like an 384 00:22:22,024 --> 00:22:26,024 Speaker 1: older man, and I was like, hey, is Brian Sagmusol home? 385 00:22:26,144 --> 00:22:28,064 Speaker 1: And he was like, let me check, and then he 386 00:22:28,264 --> 00:22:31,224 Speaker 1: closes the door and I hear him inside being like Brian, Brian, 387 00:22:32,104 --> 00:22:34,904 Speaker 1: and he comes back. He's like, that's weird. They were 388 00:22:34,904 --> 00:22:36,944 Speaker 1: just here earlier, but I guess they left. I'm like, 389 00:22:36,984 --> 00:22:40,144 Speaker 1: who's the bay and he was like, I said, as 390 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:43,904 Speaker 1: Brian your son. He's like, no, no, he's my daughter's boyfriend. 391 00:22:44,584 --> 00:22:47,384 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so he just lives here 392 00:22:47,424 --> 00:22:49,744 Speaker 1: with you guys, and he's like yeah, And I said, okay, 393 00:22:49,784 --> 00:22:53,464 Speaker 1: well I'm Andrea Chang and I entered myself, told him 394 00:22:53,464 --> 00:22:55,264 Speaker 1: why it swung by and said if you could, like 395 00:22:55,344 --> 00:22:57,584 Speaker 1: let him know that I came, and I'll leave you 396 00:22:57,624 --> 00:23:00,904 Speaker 1: my phone number. As we're doing this, a car pulls 397 00:23:01,024 --> 00:23:03,704 Speaker 1: up and the dad looked and he's, oh, that's them. 398 00:23:04,304 --> 00:23:06,784 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. So we go down 399 00:23:06,864 --> 00:23:11,064 Speaker 1: the driveway standing on the sidewalk and you know, I 400 00:23:11,104 --> 00:23:13,344 Speaker 1: introduced myself to Brian. I tell him why I'm there, 401 00:23:13,504 --> 00:23:15,344 Speaker 1: just trying to seek any sort of comment to see 402 00:23:15,344 --> 00:23:18,344 Speaker 1: if he wants to talk about what happened. And he's like, 403 00:23:18,464 --> 00:23:20,624 Speaker 1: I don't want to answer any questions. And I said, okay, 404 00:23:20,664 --> 00:23:23,304 Speaker 1: I understand. I'll leave you my phone number in case 405 00:23:23,304 --> 00:23:27,664 Speaker 1: you change your mind. And I do that piece of 406 00:23:27,664 --> 00:23:30,144 Speaker 1: paper from my reporter's notebook, scroll my phone number and 407 00:23:30,224 --> 00:23:32,504 Speaker 1: my email address and get back into my car. And 408 00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:35,944 Speaker 1: as I'm leaving, he's standing in the middle of the 409 00:23:35,984 --> 00:23:39,424 Speaker 1: street taking photos of my car. And I rolled down 410 00:23:39,504 --> 00:23:41,504 Speaker 1: my window and I'm like, what are you doing? And 411 00:23:41,544 --> 00:23:45,224 Speaker 1: then he shoves his phone like into my car, like 412 00:23:45,264 --> 00:23:47,504 Speaker 1: up against my face and takes a photo and he's like, 413 00:23:47,624 --> 00:23:49,384 Speaker 1: if you don't leave right now, we're going to follow you. 414 00:23:49,584 --> 00:23:50,984 Speaker 1: He was like, you know, we're going to follow you 415 00:23:51,024 --> 00:23:53,664 Speaker 1: to wherever you go next. And I'm like, I'm getting tacos, 416 00:23:53,824 --> 00:23:57,384 Speaker 1: so do you want to come? That's fine. I'm like, oh, lovely. 417 00:23:58,264 --> 00:24:01,624 Speaker 1: So yeah. That was my interaction with Brian. So I 418 00:24:01,704 --> 00:24:04,984 Speaker 1: left very quickly, and a few weeks later, when Guardia 419 00:24:05,064 --> 00:24:07,824 Speaker 1: PD tried to get him, they couldn't find him. The 420 00:24:07,864 --> 00:24:10,744 Speaker 1: funny thing is I never detailed this of my stories either, 421 00:24:10,784 --> 00:24:12,944 Speaker 1: but it's hilarious. And he goes to show you what 422 00:24:12,984 --> 00:24:16,704 Speaker 1: Gordita PD is. Like, they called me that day and 423 00:24:16,904 --> 00:24:19,144 Speaker 1: asked if I could help them and find him. Like 424 00:24:19,224 --> 00:24:22,304 Speaker 1: They're like, we're wondering, what was the address of the 425 00:24:22,304 --> 00:24:23,904 Speaker 1: house that you went to. I'm like, are you guys 426 00:24:23,984 --> 00:24:26,344 Speaker 1: kidding me? Yeah, They're like, well, we just want to 427 00:24:26,384 --> 00:24:27,904 Speaker 1: make sure we have the right address. I'm like, oh 428 00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:30,824 Speaker 1: my god. And now there is an arrest warrant out 429 00:24:30,864 --> 00:24:35,744 Speaker 1: for Brian, but he's still as of today unfound. So 430 00:24:36,424 --> 00:24:39,304 Speaker 1: the one thing I really struggle with in this story 431 00:24:39,584 --> 00:24:44,464 Speaker 1: is it's it's clearly loaded with implications of gender because 432 00:24:44,504 --> 00:24:47,344 Speaker 1: of the way she presents herself and the way people 433 00:24:47,384 --> 00:24:50,664 Speaker 1: reacted to it. But I can't parse out, like the 434 00:24:50,704 --> 00:24:53,744 Speaker 1: politics of this For some reason, I can't get my 435 00:24:53,744 --> 00:24:57,184 Speaker 1: hands on. I think at the beginning that feminists were 436 00:24:57,184 --> 00:25:00,584 Speaker 1: one hundred percent behind Robbie, right, Like they're like pokers 437 00:25:00,744 --> 00:25:05,504 Speaker 1: has had a problem for its entire history, and I've 438 00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:07,864 Speaker 1: spoke with a lot of like female poker players during 439 00:25:07,864 --> 00:25:10,024 Speaker 1: the course of reporting, and or like I never have 440 00:25:10,264 --> 00:25:14,184 Speaker 1: felt welcome at tables right, either it's the little comments 441 00:25:14,544 --> 00:25:18,824 Speaker 1: or it's like a male dominated game, and Robbie at 442 00:25:18,864 --> 00:25:22,864 Speaker 1: least has like given us more exposure, and then others 443 00:25:22,904 --> 00:25:25,344 Speaker 1: are like, well enough, this is the exposure we necessarily wanted. 444 00:25:25,944 --> 00:25:28,424 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean poker wants to have more women 445 00:25:28,424 --> 00:25:30,584 Speaker 1: in the game, Like Hustler Casino Live is a good example, 446 00:25:30,584 --> 00:25:32,424 Speaker 1: Like if you're like a woman, you have a better 447 00:25:32,424 --> 00:25:35,104 Speaker 1: shot of hitting on the show. There's no better way 448 00:25:35,144 --> 00:25:37,144 Speaker 1: to bring women into the game than calling your casino 449 00:25:37,264 --> 00:25:42,584 Speaker 1: Hustler Casino Live. You're after this, You're going to go 450 00:25:42,664 --> 00:25:45,144 Speaker 1: to Hustler, like you've got to go and after this, 451 00:25:45,224 --> 00:25:48,744 Speaker 1: I've been in the car the whole podcast. You're there. 452 00:25:48,784 --> 00:25:50,384 Speaker 1: You're in the parking lot trying to get me off 453 00:25:50,384 --> 00:25:52,664 Speaker 1: so you can go play and not have to chat 454 00:25:52,664 --> 00:25:57,584 Speaker 1: with me anymore. Andrew Chang, you wrote the story the 455 00:25:57,624 --> 00:26:00,944 Speaker 1: poker cheating investigation is over. Here's what it then covered 456 00:26:00,984 --> 00:26:03,944 Speaker 1: for the La Times. And I think, as you can tell, 457 00:26:04,024 --> 00:26:06,264 Speaker 1: I loved it. I hope you stay on the poker 458 00:26:06,264 --> 00:26:08,584 Speaker 1: beat forever. Thank you me too. And this was a 459 00:26:08,624 --> 00:26:13,264 Speaker 1: lot of fun for having listen. Maybe she got a signal, 460 00:26:13,584 --> 00:26:16,904 Speaker 1: maybe she didn't, Maybe it was just luck. If I 461 00:26:17,024 --> 00:26:19,624 Speaker 1: know the Guardina Police Department, we will never have a 462 00:26:19,624 --> 00:26:23,104 Speaker 1: good answer. But Robbie's undoing wasn't the way she played. 463 00:26:23,784 --> 00:26:26,424 Speaker 1: It was that she didn't take her winnings and keep quiet. 464 00:26:27,344 --> 00:26:30,064 Speaker 1: She didn't know when to walk away and when to 465 00:26:30,184 --> 00:26:34,224 Speaker 1: run now q Kenny Rogers song that my gen Z 466 00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:39,544 Speaker 1: producer saying no one's ever heard of. At the end 467 00:26:39,584 --> 00:26:42,824 Speaker 1: of the show, what's next for Joel Stein? Maybe he'll 468 00:26:42,864 --> 00:26:46,784 Speaker 1: take a naver poke around online. Our show today was 469 00:26:46,824 --> 00:26:51,584 Speaker 1: produced by mo La Board and Nishev Bencutt. It was 470 00:26:51,744 --> 00:26:56,024 Speaker 1: edited by Robert Smith. Our engineer is Amanda kay Wang 471 00:26:56,544 --> 00:27:00,704 Speaker 1: and our executive producer is Katherine sirat All. And our 472 00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:03,904 Speaker 1: theme song was written and performed by Jonathan Colton and 473 00:27:03,984 --> 00:27:06,784 Speaker 1: a special thanks to my voice coach Vicky Merrick and 474 00:27:06,904 --> 00:27:11,184 Speaker 1: my consulting producer laurenz al ask. To find more Pushkin podcasts, 475 00:27:11,504 --> 00:27:15,344 Speaker 1: listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 476 00:27:15,384 --> 00:27:18,784 Speaker 1: listen to your podcasts. I'm Joel Stein and this is 477 00:27:18,784 --> 00:27:22,104 Speaker 1: the story of the week. Was she one of those 478 00:27:22,184 --> 00:27:25,624 Speaker 1: LA people? Maybe maybe this is all LA people, including me, 479 00:27:25,744 --> 00:27:28,224 Speaker 1: who just want to be famous. You want to be famous? 480 00:27:29,104 --> 00:27:33,544 Speaker 1: Why else would you do a podcast? Next week? How 481 00:27:33,584 --> 00:27:36,104 Speaker 1: the Bonnie and Clyde of the Art Looting World left 482 00:27:36,144 --> 00:27:38,824 Speaker 1: a sloppy colonialist breadcrumb trail