Speaker 1: Eric, what's Matty?
Speaker 2: So I want you to watch this TikTok It's by
Speaker 2: Rafael Basquez that goes by Raphael's insights on TikTok. It's
Speaker 2: a terror card reading in the video, he's predicting or
Speaker 2: he's asking the cards what will happen with DOCCA? These
Speaker 2: guys like Walter Mercado. But for Zoomers, Okay.
Speaker 3: The card of the justice is the first card. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the justice tends to be the courts, the justice tends
Speaker 3: to be tends to be anything related towards legal issues.
Speaker 3: But the sun is coming out, so that actually says
Speaker 3: that there's going to be good news coming in terms
Speaker 3: of DOCCA. And the star continues to dominate DOCCA, which
Speaker 3: says DOCCA continues.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I mean DOCTA continues. Where do you want
Speaker 4: from the waltermercan right.
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of endearing to see videos like
Speaker 2: these after all these years of DACA and the way
Speaker 2: I see it, this video is an exercise of hope
Speaker 2: and it speaks to living under an unpromised future with DACA.
Speaker 2: Folks online are finding their own ways to build and
Speaker 2: find hope and connecting even when progress for the undocumented
Speaker 2: community can feel hopeless. The point is today DOCCA is
Speaker 2: part of people's everyday routine. Like our parents watch Walter
Speaker 2: Marcalo when we were kids. DACA recipients have videos like these,
Speaker 2: and compared to twenty twelve when the program started, there
Speaker 2: are so many more resources on social media now where
Speaker 2: people talk about it casually or urgently. Sometimes videos are
Speaker 2: about the emotional weight of being undocumented, but other times
Speaker 2: it's just a terror card prediction about the program's fate.
Speaker 4: Do you think he's right about Docca's future.
Speaker 5: I hope.
Speaker 2: So this is Out of the Shadows, a podcast about
Speaker 2: America's tangled history of immigration. I'm Patti Rodriguez America LINDO.
Speaker 2: Last season, we tackled Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty six Amnesty Act.
Speaker 2: This season, we're tracing the origins of DACA, or Deferred
Speaker 2: Action for Childhood Arrivals, a contentious executive order to protect
Speaker 2: undocumentary young people from being.
Speaker 4: Deported issued by former President Barack Obama in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: DACA was meant to be a temporary stop gap on
Speaker 4: a broken immigration system. It was like putting a bucket
Speaker 4: under a leaky roof, but with multiple Supreme Court challenges
Speaker 4: and looming presidential elections. The roof feels like it may
Speaker 4: collapse at any moment, impacting the US economy and American
Speaker 4: culture as we know it. Meanwhile, the future of millions
Speaker 4: of lives hangs in the balance.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Out of the Shadows Dreamers.
Speaker 4: Almost every form of social media has been a tool
Speaker 4: for Dreamers, and on this episode, we're going to break
Speaker 4: down how that has evolved, for better or for worse,
Speaker 4: and why it was so important since the start of
Speaker 4: the Dreamer movement.
Speaker 6: I started blogging in two thousand and four, basically when
Speaker 6: I joined my Space.
Speaker 4: That's Erek Guerta, an organizer from LA His blog was
Speaker 4: an intimate look at the life of an undocumented team.
Speaker 4: It was his personal diary.
Speaker 6: I ended up creating a blogger account, realizing like, I
Speaker 6: can't just keep putting all my business on MySpace.
Speaker 1: I need a whole, separate place to put my business.
Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say that the Dreamer movement
Speaker 4: was born on the Internet. Initially, it was a place
Speaker 4: for young undocumented folks to come out of the shadows.
Speaker 4: Some would do it anonymously, but so many others shared
Speaker 4: their identities hoping their stories inspired others, or at the
Speaker 4: very least let other undocumented teens know that they weren't alone.
Speaker 4: As we've heard this season, there was power and visibility.
Speaker 4: It started with blogs and forums, people bearing their experience
Speaker 4: with the world, sharing raw emotions of living with constant uncertainty.
Speaker 4: Dreamers found their community online and quickly learned to organize
Speaker 4: and mobilize. For people like Wedeta, it was a place
Speaker 4: to vent his frustrations with being undocumented.
Speaker 6: It was a good practice for me because at the
Speaker 6: time I was enrolled in journalism it used to community college,
Speaker 6: so it gave me a form of practice my writing
Speaker 6: and you know, being on the computer and typing. And
Speaker 6: it was also very therapeutic, you know, just you know,
Speaker 6: vomiting my mind and my thoughts on how I felt
Speaker 6: about being undocumented.
Speaker 7: In certain situations, he'd purge his thoughts and feelings and
Speaker 7: share it with the internet, giving other undocumented folks tips
Speaker 7: and advice on how to navigate the world.
Speaker 6: I would write, you know, blog posts in terms of
Speaker 6: like this is explaining how an undocumented.
Speaker 1: Person could travel within.
Speaker 6: The United States, how to basically turn into that like
Speaker 6: as a documented this is this is how I navigate
Speaker 6: the system, and I'm going to tell you you know
Speaker 6: how I do it.
Speaker 4: It was also a place to talk about news that
Speaker 4: impacted dreamers.
Speaker 8: I wrote about how I felt when the dreamt failed
Speaker 8: in twenty ten, how I felt when Dhaka passed in
Speaker 8: twenty twelve, certain life poates in my life happened, and
Speaker 8: that blog.
Speaker 6: Became my personal diarity event all of that stuff. So
Speaker 6: and all the time I've done it, like the blog
Speaker 6: accomplished what I was hoping to do in the first place,
Speaker 6: was to just put that energy out there and hope
Speaker 6: that other folks would find it.
Speaker 1: And other people did find it. They found me on
Speaker 1: social media, they started their own blogs, they started, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of doing their own thing. But as we see
Speaker 1: with so many side hustles and projects that folks start,
Speaker 1: not everybody keeps them going or even finishes them. So
Speaker 1: for me, that became very clear right away that as
Speaker 1: I started becoming that dude who writes and blogs about
Speaker 1: being undocumented, I was like, cool, now there's a certain
Speaker 1: responsibility to keep this going as much as I can.
Speaker 2: By the end of the two thousands, Facebook and Twitter
Speaker 2: became the platforms for dreamers to share their Lives for
Speaker 2: organizer more of the LA. Social media was one of
Speaker 2: the early ways he started getting involved.
Speaker 9: Being sort of like part of the generation that sort
Speaker 9: of grew up with online messenger and like building online communities,
Speaker 9: it was very easy to be anonymous, and so coming
Speaker 9: at it from sort of that standpoint, we were able
Speaker 9: to sort of get our feet wet. Like one of
Speaker 9: the first things that we did sort of in our
Speaker 9: online space was we created an organization called dream Activist,
Speaker 9: and it was myself and five other people that all
Speaker 9: met sort of on this online forum. And so one
Speaker 9: of the first projects that we undertook was we sort
Speaker 9: of recognized the importance of telling our stories and it
Speaker 9: was very convenient because again we could be anonymous, use
Speaker 9: whatever name we wanted. Things like that.
Speaker 2: Some like film critic Carlos, we're still hesitant to tell
Speaker 2: the public about their status. Before the Dreamer movement, Carlos
Speaker 2: felt most people saw being undocumented as an abstract concept,
Speaker 2: like a magical unicorn that only exists in the constant
Speaker 2: media cycle.
Speaker 5: I sort of came out as an undocumented person before
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen. I wouldn't tell people that I was on
Speaker 5: document in or DOCCA because I feel like, I think
Speaker 5: like before that happened, most people didn't even know what
Speaker 5: DACCA was. It wasn't like the in the sort of
Speaker 5: like you know, collective awareness. People you know were still
Speaker 5: saying illegal instead of undocumented, and so I just wouldn't
Speaker 5: engage with that, you know.
Speaker 2: Unlike many of the Hollywood movies Carlos reviewed, being undocumented
Speaker 2: was actually based on true events. So when the Trump
Speaker 2: administration ended DOCA in twenty seventeen, social media continued to
Speaker 2: be a big avenue to share the DOCA experience. Carlos
Speaker 2: shared his truth.
Speaker 5: I wrote a post that outlets later picked up about
Speaker 5: how playing that you know that I was a DOCTA
Speaker 5: recipient that I'm undocumented and whatnot? Because I felt like
Speaker 5: for a lot of people in the industry, in creative
Speaker 5: industries and in these worlds, the notion of undocumented people
Speaker 5: is such a hypothetical thing, like far away they think
Speaker 5: of them of like, oh, they're like the gardener or
Speaker 5: the person in the kitchen staff, and that's very valid,
Speaker 5: and you know, I sort of like there's nothing to
Speaker 5: be a shame of there. But I feel like a
Speaker 5: lot of people don't know someone that's undocumented in their
Speaker 5: personal lives and face to face, it's sort of like,
Speaker 5: you know, an outsider, hypothetical thing that I don't have
Speaker 5: to think about.
Speaker 2: Trump's policies had direct effects on Carlos's life. If he
Speaker 2: lost his work permit, he wouldn't be able to review films.
Speaker 2: He wanted people to understand that DOCA was his livelihood
Speaker 2: and the Trump administration threatened that.
Speaker 5: And so for me, it was the kind of important
Speaker 5: to let my colleagues and people in the industry that
Speaker 5: respected me or care for me, to let them know
Speaker 5: that this thing that Trump was doing was directly affecting
Speaker 5: someone that they knew, to sort of like bring it
Speaker 5: closer to them, Like you think of this issue as
Speaker 5: something that's flying in the air that doesn't affect you,
Speaker 5: but you know me, and if you care about me,
Speaker 5: then you just care about this issue because you know,
Speaker 5: this thing that was happening politically was directly affecting me.
Speaker 5: And so once I sort of came out, you know,
Speaker 5: as that and sort of like I told people and
Speaker 5: became more vocal about it, I felt like other people
Speaker 5: understood and like, you know, gave me spaces to talk
Speaker 5: about it and to write about it, and so the
Speaker 5: challenge was sort of like coming out and saying it
Speaker 5: and letting people know that that recipients and documentary people
Speaker 5: are in all sorts of different places and you know,
Speaker 5: jobs and are pursuing careers in front of the camera,
Speaker 5: behind the camera, right in about movies, in every sort
Speaker 5: of like field.
Speaker 2: DOCA still exists online, but the pandemic changed everything, even
Speaker 2: the way dreamers fight for the rights. That's after the break.
Speaker 4: When the pandemic hit in twenty twenty and things started
Speaker 4: closing down, DOCCA recipients and immigrant advocates took to TikTok.
Speaker 4: They shared their experiences, their fears, or any recent information
Speaker 4: surrounding DACA. TikTokers continue to keep people informed about everything
Speaker 4: surrounding immigration.
Speaker 10: My name is Raquel Fernandez go Forth and I'm an
Speaker 10: immigration lawyer in North Carolina. My parents are from Venezuela.
Speaker 10: They came to the un in nineteen eighty nine and
Speaker 10: I was born here.
Speaker 4: After she graduated law school, Raquel thought she'd be helping
Speaker 4: immigrants like her mom, but that wasn't the case. It
Speaker 4: all felt so impersonal, and she started questioning if this
Speaker 4: was her calling after all.
Speaker 10: When I graduated law school, I took the bar, and
Speaker 10: then after that I immediately started working at a pretty
Speaker 10: big law firm. But I noticed, how, you know, there
Speaker 10: are so many cases and sometimes people don't get the
Speaker 10: best service. The practice of law is something completely different
Speaker 10: than what it is in theory. So when you see that,
Speaker 10: starting off as a lawyer, you're like, oh, man, you
Speaker 10: know you may work at one law firm and think
Speaker 10: this is how it is everywhere. So I kind of
Speaker 10: got a little discouraged right off the bat, like, man,
Speaker 10: I don't really want to practice law this way. The
Speaker 10: whole point of becoming an immigration lawyer is to help immigrants,
Speaker 10: and I don't want to feel like iggy about it,
Speaker 10: you know what I mean.
Speaker 11: So I ended up leaving.
Speaker 10: That law firm and went into like eDiscovery, So it
Speaker 10: was like helping review contracts, review discovery documents for trials,
Speaker 10: and that was a lot easier, but it wasn't my calling,
Speaker 10: you know. I knew that I still wanted to advocate
Speaker 10: for immigrants, so I used social media in that way,
Speaker 10: especially TikTok, because before that I wasn't really I mean,
Speaker 10: I would post about things, but I wasn't really being
Speaker 10: an advocate.
Speaker 4: She does her part by sharing vital information for immigrants
Speaker 4: because she saw her mother struggle with lawyers. That's why
Speaker 4: her videos are always bilingual.
Speaker 10: When TikTok came around during the pandemic, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 10: I'm going to start talking about DACA. And that was
Speaker 10: the first video that I made because it was around
Speaker 10: the time that Doc Go went too the Supreme Court.
Speaker 10: So I made a TikTok video.
Speaker 2: It went viral.
Speaker 10: I continued doing that and then obviously expanded onto different
Speaker 10: areas of immigration and ever since then, it's just been
Speaker 10: a huge platform that I've been able to use for
Speaker 10: this purpose.
Speaker 4: Raquel stays up to date on all the latest DACA happenings.
Speaker 4: One topic that she's been talking about a lot lately
Speaker 4: is the injunction put in place by a district court
Speaker 4: in Texas that prevents more eligible Dreamers from applying for DACA.
Speaker 10: So the injunction that Andrew Hannon has put in place,
Speaker 10: it ended up saying that DHS to the Department of
Speaker 10: Homeland Security and USCIS does not have the authority to
Speaker 10: make decisions on DACA.
Speaker 4: These tiktoks reflect the DACA of its time, and folks
Speaker 4: like Raqual provide a public service to inform their audience.
Speaker 4: In some tiktoks, she touches on how Biden factors into
Speaker 4: the program's current concerns.
Speaker 1: So at this.
Speaker 10: Point, you know, all those initial applications, since I believe
Speaker 10: it was twenty twenty one, they just they're in limbo.
Speaker 10: They can't decide what happens with those until they determine
Speaker 10: the legality of DACA. So the Biden administration ended up
Speaker 10: going with and creating a new rule to try to
Speaker 10: do the process the right way. But at this point
Speaker 10: that's only protecting those who currently have DAKA. So they
Speaker 10: need to look at Biden's rule and determine if that
Speaker 10: now straightens things out, you know, to put it in
Speaker 10: Layman's terms, and if that can finally preserve DACA, not
Speaker 10: only for current recipients, but for initial recipients.
Speaker 4: Raquel likes to keep an optimistic mind, but she thinks
Speaker 4: this needs to be resolved so these folks can move
Speaker 4: on with their lives.
Speaker 10: I am an optimistic person, but currently with Judge Andrew Hannen,
Speaker 10: based on his history, it may be something that goes
Speaker 10: to the Supreme Court, he may not rule in favor
Speaker 10: of initial DOCA applicants, which is something that is terrible
Speaker 10: because I see and know so many people personally who
Speaker 10: should have DOCA at this point, but because of the injunction,
Speaker 10: dhs USCIS can't accept or deny the applications that are pending,
Speaker 10: so they're just in limbo. And I mean at this point,
Speaker 10: I just want him to make his decisions so we
Speaker 10: can move along the process. If it's going back to
Speaker 10: the Supreme Court, we need a final decision and this
Speaker 10: roller coaster needs to end. So I feel like the
Speaker 10: most optimistic outlook is for the decision from Andrew Hannen
Speaker 10: to be made as soon as possible so we can
Speaker 10: continue moving forward and we can finally put.
Speaker 1: An end to this.
Speaker 4: But all this information can be a lot to process,
Speaker 4: even for the TikTokers who are breaking the down for
Speaker 4: the community, and that comes with a lot of emotional baggage.
Speaker 4: More on that after the break.
Speaker 2: That guy's eleven years old. Today's experience is not the same,
Speaker 2: and it reflects cultural shifts like the focus on mental health.
Speaker 2: While Dreamers that were involved in demonstrations were brave, there
Speaker 2: was also a mental toll. Take for example, the Dream nine,
Speaker 2: the group of immigrants that self deported to Mexico. The
Speaker 2: action was meant to bring attention, but the skull hours
Speaker 2: of that are still very much present. Here's one of
Speaker 2: the Dream nine, Lizabeth Matteo on her experience.
Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure I was depressed the whole time, and
Speaker 11: I was broken the whole time. Whether I became more
Speaker 11: broken as I was organizing or was already rocket before,
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 12: I had uncles that had been deported, I had family members,
Speaker 12: friends that I'd an impacted by the mutation systess, and
Speaker 12: I always thought, how there, you know, how there does
Speaker 12: the government do this to those people that can defend themselves.
Speaker 2: For people like Guerta, his DACA status lives on his
Speaker 2: social media bio. As he's getting older, he settled into
Speaker 2: his immigration status. Well, there's still uncertainty of living in
Speaker 2: Daca Limbo. It's just another part of his life, like
Speaker 2: doing taxes or waiting in traffic.
Speaker 1: On my bio. I'm quasi undocumented because I'm no longer.
Speaker 6: Fully undocumented, but I'm not also fully documented either because
Speaker 6: I got a chicken, you know, like some wady on
Speaker 6: probation every two years with the government and saying Look,
Speaker 6: here's my Space subs.
Speaker 1: I haven't been in trouble. I've been paying my taxes. Please, sir,
Speaker 1: can I have some more data? Yeah, every two years.
Speaker 6: But as we all grow older and we move on
Speaker 6: with our lives, it's suddenly for me, I can personally say,
Speaker 6: it's no longer like a lynchpin in my identity or
Speaker 6: in how my life revolves. Right, It's just an annoying
Speaker 6: thing I have to do, like fucking go to the
Speaker 6: DMV every couple of years and stand in line for
Speaker 6: an awkward picture for my driver's license.
Speaker 2: He's come to terms with his status in some ways.
Speaker 2: He's been in this fight from the very beginning and
Speaker 2: has noticed the difference in the use of social media today.
Speaker 2: For one, there's more of it.
Speaker 6: The program itself has pretty much been frozen right in
Speaker 6: terms of like who can apply and who qualifies, but
Speaker 6: the culture behind like being undocumented has shifted tremendously, Like
Speaker 6: so many more folks are open about it, so many
Speaker 6: more resources are available, not just in academic spaces, but
Speaker 6: just like in life spaces.
Speaker 1: There's like being Undocumented memes, and there's like a whole
Speaker 1: new generation of folks coming in and making this movement
Speaker 1: their own, because I'm for sure not involved in it anymore.
Speaker 1: And anyway, I ain't no use.
Speaker 6: I'm just a dude from all heights, right, I'm just
Speaker 6: a regular shregular dude. I'm not out here like winning
Speaker 6: titles or anything. So you know, it's dope that the
Speaker 6: movement is still growing and it's still going with the
Speaker 6: new generation of taking it on.
Speaker 4: As a reflection of the current culture, TikTok and Instagram
Speaker 4: are where undocumented folks publicize the mental health impact of
Speaker 4: living in limbo. As of this recording, that's almost eleven
Speaker 4: years of living with this uncertainty. The silver lining is
Speaker 4: that they'll always have a community online, and having that
Speaker 4: comes in handy when your future is in constant flux.
Speaker 4: When DOCA ended temporarily, for example, TikTok and Instagram became
Speaker 4: place to vent.
Speaker 13: Today is definitely one of the hardest day of my
Speaker 13: life because June already began, which means that the Supreme
Speaker 13: Court will release the decision about DACA this month, and
Speaker 13: there's a possibility that it might be next week, and
Speaker 13: it's so scary, so scary to know that literally everything
Speaker 13: you worked hard for can be taken away. From you
Speaker 13: in one instant.
Speaker 4: Some prefer to take a journalistic approach, breaking down questions
Speaker 4: for the current generation, like what.
Speaker 9: Is DACA program?
Speaker 4: That I explainat our videos can be an aspirational call
Speaker 4: to action.
Speaker 10: I'm undocumented and I want to build a billion dot
Speaker 10: O company, but not because.
Speaker 6: I want to build a villain do the company, but
Speaker 6: because I want to break my community with me.
Speaker 9: Yah. I think we should all be millionaires.
Speaker 4: Or even artistic expression. Some folks made music about their
Speaker 4: DAKA status. WHOA, that's Miss Lily, a rapper from Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: real name Lilia Anglica Sanchez Perez and her song La Frontera,
Speaker 4: which she posted on Instagram back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: She speaks of her and her community's resilience, identity, and
Speaker 4: the pursuit of the American dream in English and Spanish,
Speaker 4: and you can hear in her voice the clear frustration
Speaker 4: of living in limbo, growing up in the shadows, constantly
Speaker 4: confronted with the fear of deportation. That is how many
Speaker 4: DOCA recipients find each other, whether with music, memes or
Speaker 4: sharing vulnerable moments. Under a snippet of Natalia lagades asta
Speaker 4: la rais they are turning their pain and uncertainty into
Speaker 4: poetic expressions that resonate with audiences across the Internet. Most
Speaker 4: of the time, I don't think social media matters. But
Speaker 4: then the other day I went to the Japanese American
Speaker 4: Museum and they had photos from the Internment caps when
Speaker 4: they took the Japanese people living in the West Coast
Speaker 4: and put them in these concentration caps. And what struck
Speaker 4: me the most about those images were that they were
Speaker 4: dressed so elegantly, like these people were business people, you know,
Speaker 4: they were shop owners, entrepreneurs, There were families, and like
Speaker 4: back then they didn't have social media, but had these
Speaker 4: photographers capturing these moments. And when I saw that, I
Speaker 4: think I really understood why social media is an important
Speaker 4: tool in the dreamer movement, because it is archiving what's
Speaker 4: happening to us. And even if it doesn't make a
Speaker 4: difference like right now, in twenty years, thirty years, the
Speaker 4: future generations are going to learn from these archives what's
Speaker 4: been happening to us.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all can agree that social
Speaker 2: media can affect our mental health, but I also understand,
Speaker 2: especially in our community, where we are not given the platforms.
Speaker 2: Social media has allowed us to create our own platform
Speaker 2: and share our stories. These images, these videos, these reels,
Speaker 2: these tiktoks. They put a face on the movement, on
Speaker 2: the experiences, on what individuals are going through at the moment.
Speaker 2: You know, there was one video that I watched where
Speaker 2: it's the wife of a doctor recipients, the one recording
Speaker 2: this video. She is sharing her husband meeting his family
Speaker 2: for the first time. You can't help but be moved
Speaker 2: by that and then also get angry at the entire situation.
Speaker 2: I think that's what social media.
Speaker 4: I hope helps.
Speaker 2: With this movement, that it gets us angry. Doctor recipients
Speaker 2: feel the aches of being separated from family. Some social
Speaker 2: media advocates, like lawyer Raquel, encourage DOCTA recipients to apply
Speaker 2: for advance parol, allowing them to travel without a visa
Speaker 2: and reconnect with their family.
Speaker 10: If I could just say one thing to anybody listening,
Speaker 10: if you have DOCA, currently use your advanced parole, if
Speaker 10: you haven't traveled on advanced parole, just in case if
Speaker 10: DOCA does go away, if you do have that legal entry,
Speaker 10: and let's say you end up marrying a US citizen
Speaker 10: or you have a kid who's a US citizen, and
Speaker 10: you know, we tend to think that DOCTA recipients are
Speaker 10: really young. There are doctor recipients that are like in
Speaker 10: their forties and now have kids who are nearing the
Speaker 10: age of twenty one and can petition for them. They
Speaker 10: can become you know, their immediate relatives, so they can
Speaker 10: do adjustment of status as long as they have that
Speaker 10: legal entry. So something that I definitely say to anyone
Speaker 10: who has DOCA is use that advanced parole in order
Speaker 10: to travel. You can travel for one of three reasons.
Speaker 10: It can be humanitarian reason, which can be to visit
Speaker 10: your sick relatives, to visit a grave site. Let's say
Speaker 10: your grandparents died and you didn't get to say goodbye.
Speaker 10: You want to go visit their grave site, or they
Speaker 10: have a ceremony, a funeral, whatever it may be. That's
Speaker 10: a humanitarian reason that you can use to travel. Also
Speaker 10: for educational reasons, for a semester abroad, employment reasons, you
Speaker 10: have a meeting to go to in another country, et cetera.
Speaker 10: Something that you can definitely use and be able to
Speaker 10: come back. Have that legal entry, and you never know
Speaker 10: in the future if that's something that can help you
Speaker 10: with adjustment of status.
Speaker 2: While the fight for DOCA might have slowed down in
Speaker 2: recent years, young undocumented immigrants remained vocal about their status online.
Speaker 2: So while the messaging and platform might have shifted to
Speaker 2: its current, undocumented folks always know how to find their community.
Speaker 4: DACA could still end today, even though it would cost
Speaker 4: billions to end and possibly cause a terair in the
Speaker 4: immigrant space. Time continue on in spite of an unresolved future.
Speaker 4: Some choose to have hope, and others believe that hope
Speaker 4: is a dangerous drug. DOCA is under threat, especially as
Speaker 4: anti immigrant sentiments have persisted beyond Trump. Most recently in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, a dangerous bill was signed in Florida
Speaker 4: by a potential presidential candidate.
Speaker 10: And this law from Governor DeSantis. It basically says that
Speaker 10: anybody who is an undocumented person who has a driver's
Speaker 10: license that demonstrates that they're undocumented from their own state,
Speaker 10: that won't be recognized in the state of Florida. And initially,
Speaker 10: when it was just a bill, it seemed to be
Speaker 10: even greater. It seemed to be that any person who
Speaker 10: was transporting an undocumented person in their car could then
Speaker 10: get a fine and receive a felony.
Speaker 4: In the season finale, we'll examine Daka's shaky future at
Speaker 4: a time when anti immigrant rhetoric is at an all
Speaker 4: time high. Special thanks to those creators that let us
Speaker 4: use their videos today, including rafay Elvaskaz, Emiliana Carlos, Eduardos Pina,
Speaker 4: Juan Maya Hernandez, and Jack Gerreto.
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