WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 4/25: First Round Predictions, Draft Over/Unders, Final Mock Drafts 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.560 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.360 Lazar and Alex Bart and Lazarre. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.560 Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.560 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barts. When I hear 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.360 people get all hot and bothered about Will Levis, what 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.480 I hear is we look at him. 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.720 He's running around. Look he's running away for the defenders. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.040 Look how far he through the ball? Who caught it? 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.199 It's not important, Look how far the ball went. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:40.000 You're gonna do this. I always love figuring out which 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.400 which snippets where al is gonna take? That was spot on. 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:44.240 That was obvious. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.320 That one was obvious. And uh, we'll get to Will 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.360 Levis and Alex's favorite draft quarterback in a second. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.360 We're gonna we're gonna we're talking about Holton Aylor. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.600 We're gonna talk about it. What I don't want to do, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.280 Alex Bart, Evan Lazar along with you for the next 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.480 hour and a half here on Patriots Catch twenty two. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.240 Super Bowl week for us, Alex, That's what I call it. 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.559 This is draft week. It's super Bowl week. We were 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:10.040 just talking about it on Patriots Unfiltered. Something about the 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:16.360 draft just gets the fanboy Evan like, even more so 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:17.880 than in season. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:18.360 Yeah. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.560 Just for some reason, I just love the draft. I 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.000 love the prep work, I love the lead up to it. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.640 I love the actual draft itself. And I'm ready to 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.360 be heard again. I am ready to be hurt again 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.840 by by what the Patriots are going to do on 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.800 Thursday night. Mostly what they do on Friday and Saturday. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.120 That's their you know, take it or leave it. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.959 Evan famously considers the NFL Draft a thirty two pick event. Exactly, 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.920 I guess thirty one this year. Are you going to 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.480 care about the first pick in the second round? 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.960 Now? I care about the top fifty because the Patriots 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.040 have two picks inside the top fifty. I'll give you 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.919 the top fifty. Once we get past the top fifty, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.600 we're throwing darts. I like players, you like players outside 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.600 the top. I'm not saying I don't have my guys 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.680 that are later on in the draft, but whatever, I'm 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.120 ready to be hurt again by the Patriots on Thursday night. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.280 And the main thing I just that's why I get 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.800 so emotional. Like last year. Everybody that has followed us, 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.720 it's famous, knows my reaction to cold strange last in 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.960 the twenty twenty two draft is out there. It is. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:27.000 But I think that's that's what gets me so fired up, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.640 is because you and I I can speak about you, 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.520 and I we you even more so than me. Go 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.480 back into the fall with the draft, but from January on, 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.840 from the time the Patriots either win the Super Bowl 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.679 or eliminated from the playoffs or eliminated it, you know, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.400 their season ends, I dive headfirst into the draft and 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:51.079 it's four months of prep all for three days. Yeah, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:52.959 you know, it's kind of like, you know, like a wedding, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:54.960 right where like you plan it for a whole year 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.280 and then it's really only like four hours of your 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.240 life and then it's over, right, Like, that's what the 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.680 draft feels like for me. So when the Patriots go 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.440 into the draft and I'm all jacked up, I got 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.160 my footy pajamason, I'm ready to go, and then they 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.399 go ahead and they do what they do. That's why 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.480 it becomes so disappointing to me. So we're gonna discuss 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.760 to start the show, and you can call in eight 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.240 five to five Pats five hundred and weigh in if 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.359 you want, and what the Patriots should do at their 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:24.800 biggest positions of need. Now we've talked about receiver, corner, 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.000 tackle for four months. We've been talking about those positions. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.320 I'm not just for four months. So it's funny. When 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:36.840 we first started the show, I had somebody when we 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.760 first started doing the draft stuff on the show, somebody 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.560 said to me like, oh, you know, it's funny. I 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:46.080 remember you saying last year tackles in corners. And then 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.600 I actually, I wish I had a way to play it. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.160 I went back and found the clip from our old show. Yeah, 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:57.080 we said in February of twenty twenty two, tackle and 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.680 corner gonna be the positions in the twenty twenty three 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.360 draft for the Patriots. So forget four months. We've been 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.920 doing this for like our whole team fourteen months. Yeah, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.520 these tackles in these corners. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.360 So those three positions, I think we're all in concert, 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:14.760 are at the top of the list. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.720 And the only by the way, the only reason we 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.000 didn't say receiver at this time last year was we 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:20.839 thought they were gonna take a receiver at this time 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:21.480 last year. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:26.159 So I'm ready to throw edge rusher into this conversation 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.919 for two reasons one. They've met with every edge rusher 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.080 in the first round under the sun, so at some 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.919 point you got to read into that. And second of all, 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.280 it's a great class and they do have You can 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.440 talk yourself into that being a need that will span 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.719 multiple seasons for them, right josh U Jay's contract year, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.039 Judahan being thirty one years old, I think that you 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.560 can talk yourself into that being a good investment for 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.320 the organization, even if it's not the biggest need for 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.080 this year and tomorrow. It's it's a good investment to 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.359 have as many good pass rushers as you possib can 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:00.880 on the team. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.440 Well, there's also an old Patriots draft idiom and like 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.400 all of them, I think there's a certain element of 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.200 truth to it. I don't think it's one hundred percent true. 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.920 But you draft four next year, right, so twenty twenty four, 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.240 and if if we do project ahead, God, you said 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:20.280 that edge tackles still probably the biggest need because all 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.880 of these guys are in one of your contracts. But 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:27.160 so are josh Ucha, so is Anthony Jennings. You're gonna 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.120 have Matthew Judon in a contract year. You're gonna have 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.120 teacher Wwhi's in a contract year, they're all up or 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.440 about to be up. So I think if we project ahead, 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:36.840 it's all tackle and edge. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.520 Yeah, and oh god, you said that, because I think 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.120 that this is the biggest if I had to write up, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.600 the biggest indictment on the Patriots draft strategy of late 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.960 is that they have been prisoners of their own moment 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.480 over the last let's call it three or four drafts 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.239 where yeah, they have either created holes or have viewed 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.680 holes on their roster that they have picked at the 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.400 top of the draft for the upcoming season. They used 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.320 to be excellent at being a year ahead of everything, 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.920 so I don't disagree they could also be a year 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.040 ahead of everything because their roster was so complete. That's fair. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.320 I don't think that philosophy works when you all. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.360 But it all. It's a domino effect, right, because if 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.440 you stay a year ahead, then when those holes come 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.440 up on the roster, you're already a year ahead. When 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.719 Richard Seymour starts to age out, you already have the 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.560 next guy. When Matt Light starts to age out, maybe 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.839 a better comparison, you already have Nate Soldier. 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.279 That is true, and look, I think it goes in 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.960 lockstep with the you know, year two earlier versus year 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.760 two late philosophy of free agency and resigning players. But 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.880 the reality and maybe you can overcome one year. But 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.280 that's a great philosophy to have when you know your 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.200 roster is going to be stocked a key positions from 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.360 year to year. When you have the drafts they did 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.960 twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen, and that is the year 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.600 that they only had the four picks, and it's Antonio 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:01.960 Garcia and Derek Rivers. I'm gonna go through the top 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.239 one hundred picks here, Isaiah wins Sony Michelle, Duke Dawson, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.919 Nikhil Harry, Jewan Williams, Chase Winovich, those were there, and 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.600 Damien Harris. Those were all of their top one hundred 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.360 picks in a three year span. You don't have that 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.160 luxury of drafting a year ahead because guess what if 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.680 the Naikil Harry pick hits, We're not talking about receivers 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.400 in need right now. If the Juan Williams pick hits, 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.920 and the Duke Dawson pick hits, we're not talking about 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.200 corners as in need right now. So I think at 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.200 a certain point you have to throw that approach out 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.920 the window. And by the way, it's not a coincidence 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.080 that you know. I think it's funny a year after 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.440 a draft people say, oh, it's a great class, or 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.960 oh it's not. People notice I cut off in twenty nineteen. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.520 There even though you can in some arguments include that 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.960 twenty twenty class that has Devon Nassiassi and Dalton Keene. Right, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.600 But the reality is you don't see the true impact 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.040 of a draft class for three or four years down 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.040 the road. I'm gonna run through those top one hundred 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.760 picks again, but I'm just gonna give the positions. But first, Evan, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.679 remind us, what are the positions we're looking at? 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.360 Corner, receiver, tackle, edge. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:12.760 Okay, here are those picks, edge, tackle, tackle, running back, Corner, receiver, corner, edge, 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.880 running back. They just missed on the positions that we 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.400 are now talking heavily about. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:19.880 Right. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.960 That is why the draft a year ahead thing, I 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.600 think rightfully has gone out the window the last couple 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.320 of years because they're trying to They're still going back 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.120 and trying to make up for the picks that they 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:33.439 didn't hit the last couple of years. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.880 Fair point. I think the biggest thing that I come 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.319 away with this and this is why I want how 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:43.520 I wanted to set this up. I And look, we've 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:44.959 known that Aaron Rodgers was going to go to the 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.160 Jets for a couple months now. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:47.920 Yeah, I hate the people reacting to that. 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.600 I'm not being super reactionary to that necessarily, but I 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.520 think I look at where this state, the state of 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.680 the Patriots roster, and I actually felt this way about 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.560 the Jets even before Aaron Rodgers got there, that they 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.600 have a better roster right now than you on paper. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.680 Yeah, they were a quarterback away, right. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.840 The state of the Patriots roster right now tells me 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.040 that as long as they're picking a player from one 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:17.720 of those four positions that we've been naming consistently, I'm 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:22.280 good with it. Because they just need top end of 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.680 the roster talent. They need elite players, they need blue 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.440 chip players. They need the high end starters, all pro 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.200 caliber guys like whatever. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.680 High floor players, guys who are gonna be that now. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:39.640 They need elite, blue chip talent. So you gotta throw 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.400 in this draft. To me, this is BPA, this is 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.880 the best player available draft. In the caveats of the 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:51.080 four positions. Okay, okay, because I am not real. This 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.160 is not a draft that they can afford to reach 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.600 on somebody just because they feel like that's the biggest 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.600 need on the board for them. So which is what 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.000 they did last year. They can't or to do that again. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:06.880 That that is correct the caveat, that's an important caveat 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.080 you give though, And I think it's not best player available, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.400 it's best player for the team. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.720 Best player for the team, had four different premiums. I'm 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:16.080 casting a pretty wide net. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.800 Yeah, But the point is, like, look, let's be honest here, 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.840 who's the best player on the board. Gonna be at fourteen, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:26.040 best best football player available, it's gonna be. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.240 It could be. I think Jon might go ten to 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:29.160 the Eagles. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.079 But that's wow, that would be something. Did they have 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.360 you know, I hadn't thought of it. I don't. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.440 I don't just I don't entirely is that can just 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:37.720 do it? 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.840 They can they can do whatever. Yeah, I kind of 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.440 figured they. I think that they're gonna go in a 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.679 different direction whatever. I think Jalen Carter is there, if it, 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.600 we have all the margin in the world. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.360 I agree. If he's there, then it would probably be 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:49.800 so you have. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.160 Carter going higher and tend okay, Okay, so you don't 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.000 like Tyree Wilson, Okay, ye, I think. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.280 Is going to be I think ty Wilson's going number two. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.199 I would just I mean, he's Will Anderson's better. I 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.800 don't care how much like Tyree. Okay to everybody saying 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:07.600 Patriots should. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.600 Take me, agreed. Finally, can you believe that there we 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.840 go there and there's the clip for next week? Uh, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.480 put on a blindfold, take the best player available for 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.319 the Patriots. I really think it's going to be Vjon 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.280 Robinson sold No. But I'm saying if I for those 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.800 who have the take of close your eyes, who's the 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.640 best player who has the highest Madden rating, go, it's Bjon. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.240 That's not what I'm exactly what this. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.200 Is that I want the player use your analogy with 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.079 the highest Madden rating at one of those four positions. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.359 What I don't want to do, what I do absolutely 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.080 do not want to do, is I don't want to 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.800 pass on Let's just use this as an example. I 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:47.800 don't want to pass on Tyree Wilson to draft Darnell 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.720 Wright just because they feel like tackle is a bigger 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.480 need than edge because I personally feel like this team 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.600 right now, okay, just needs the blue chip, right It 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.120 just needs the talent. It doesn't necessarily need to be 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.880 at a position that they absolutely desperately need on the 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.920 depth chart, they need to be at that talent level. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.000 I feel like this draft, more than any other draft 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.360 that I've ever covered, and we've talked about this and 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.920 gone back and forth about this a lot, this draft, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.160 more than any other draft that I have ever covered, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.640 is very, very razor thin at the top in terms 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.480 of elite blue chick. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.199 It's not a good class. It's not a good class. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.800 It's a good depth class. It's not a good top 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.120 of the of the draft class. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.440 This is this is our sixth I don't even think 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:32.679 it's that great of a depth class. This is our 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.720 sixth year doing this, like intensely. Yeah, this is the 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:36.760 worst class we've done. 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:37.360 It's one. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.200 It's at the top in terms of depth. Look, if 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.280 you need a corner, if you need a tight end, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.559 you're in great shape. If you need an edge, you're 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.000 in pretty good shape. If you need a tackle, as 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.040 long as you willing to spend a first round pick, 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:54.160 you're okay. If you think you're waiting, you're not so much. Okay, Yeah, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.640 that's it. That it's a bad year to need a receiver. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.960 It's a bad year to need a safety. It's not 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.680 a great year to need a line It's a really 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.839 bad year to need a linebacker. Yeah, not a good 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.400 year to need a quarterback. And they already said that. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:05.079 We disagree on that. 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.319 I guess running back, it's fine running back class. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.760 It's a good running back class. Yeah, because Bijon and 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.160 Jamier Gibbs are RB ones in a lot of classes. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.240 Yeah, but like even further down, there's guys I like, 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:16.800 we don't need to get into that. But I want 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.240 to go back to something you said that, you know, 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.560 just take the best player from those four positions, and 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.320 you said you would rather them take Tyree Wilson than 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.320 move back and take Darnault, right, no, or. 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.400 Don't even talk about moving back, right? Just in general, Okay, 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.400 all right, this is my biggest thing going into this draft. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.280 The Patriots have In my mind, the Patriots have plenty 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.280 of B plus players. They have plenty of good players 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.760 like red I like to call them red chips, right, Yeah, 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.600 Guys like Kyle Dugger, Josh Ucha, Ramandre Stevenson. I would 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.920 actually even say, you know, on the line, Mike on 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.320 Wenu is a red chip. I think Juju has a 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.320 chance to be a red chip now that he's in 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.480 this offense and going to be more of a focal 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.120 point of the offense. They have a pretty decent amount 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.240 of red chip players. I think Judon's the only bus 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.920 driver on the team right now. He's the only guy 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:08.520 that his game plan for is circled. Is a game 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.920 wrecker that can take over a football game on his 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.120 side of the football. I don't think that they have 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.280 that on offense right now because their best player on 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.439 offense is a running back. So I don't think they 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:17.959 have that guy. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.880 That's fair, but I guess so here's my question though. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:25.360 Let's say that, like I would still like to see 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.760 them positionally put a little thought positionally into what they're doing. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.400 And Darnolt Wright is a different kind of player than 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.520 Tyree Wilson. I'll agree with you on that. But if 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.320 it's Tyree Wilson or Broderick Jones or Tyree Wilson in 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.120 Paris Johnson, sure they need to go with the tackle. 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.320 If it's Tyree Wilson or Devin Witherspoon, they need to 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.920 go with Devin Witherspoon. I they still need to There 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.760 are certain things about their team that they can get 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.600 to the quarterback right now, maybe not as well as 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.400 they could, like maybe not as well. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.200 Those tears are fair. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.240 But like you, Mac Jones or whoever the quarterback is 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.080 needs to be protected. You're not going to win games 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.120 when your quarterback is constantly throwing with pass rushers in 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.520 his lap like we saw last year. And the reality is, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.160 whether it's Mac, whether it's Bailey Zappi, where they take somebody. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.520 This team is going to have a young quarterback this year, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.800 and they're going to have a young quarterback for the 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.760 foreseeable future. You need to set that guy up to succeed. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.880 The way you do that is you take a tackle right. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.920 The way that they do that is you take a 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.640 tackle because they're not going to take that right. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:31.760 Well. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.960 You know, my take on the fourteenth overall pick and 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.720 helping the quarterbacks is you traded for Jerry Judy. But but 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.480 my point being, yeah, if you can't cover the best 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.440 receiver in your division right now, you can't do it. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.960 You struggle to do it for years. You need to 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.920 get somebody who has a shot at doing that. You're 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.520 doing it in the first round of fourteen. Look if 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.720 all the blue chip corners and tackles are gone and 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.880 the one blue chip receiver's gone as JSN, then yeah, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.720 I'd rather I'd rather have Tyrie Wilson. Then you just 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.120 start early on the second tier. I might even trade 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.000 back because, like you said, that the strength in this 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.320 classes later on, I would love to see them come 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.680 away with more than three top one hundred picks. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.360 I also don't I would if that's the if that's 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.920 the way the board falls, I still would take Tyre Wilson. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.600 Under that, we're kind of using him as the blue chip. 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.040 Like example here, what if I'm not sure. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.720 Tyriy Wilson's a blue chip prospect either, Are you sure 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.000 he is? Yes, I think he's the play straight, he's 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.760 the value blue chip. He's the value blue chip. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.040 I think he's a chip. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:38.760 I think he's right on. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.560 The You just don't get a lot of guys that 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.360 are that long and that athletic, Like you're talking about 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:49.600 a guy with a ridiculous wingspan and power but also 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.680 can stand up or put his hand in the dirt 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.600 and be a versatile. I think that he's one of 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.600 those guys. But regardless of all of that, my point 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.560 is mainly the tears right that you were sort of 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.640 getting at that. If we're starting to talk about would 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.400 I rather a Tier two tackle or a Tier one 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.879 edge in Tier one? Yeah, for the Patriots right now, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.240 I'm taking the Tier one age. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.640 But I'm saying there all you need to leave room 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.440 to go positionally within tier one. Sure, an edge should 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.320 be the fourth position of that first tier. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:22.280 Absolutely, And that segues into I think maybe where we 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.440 differ maybe I think, well, besides Will Evis, I think 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.200 maybe where we differed the most on this entire class 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:33.280 is the wide receiver position. And I don't want to 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.320 put words in your mouth, but we've talked about it 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.640 off the air, and I think you hate this wide 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.159 receiver class. I was just gonna say it. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.359 You know, it's okay, No, I mean, there's some fun 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.679 players in it. There's some fun players in it, but 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.160 I think it's getting a lot of benefit of the doubt, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.120 all right. You know, like when when like Comedian, there's 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.080 a comedy show, right and it's multiple comedians they talk 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.200 about first Comedian, like warming the crowd up right, and 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.679 the next guy does. So when comedians do shows, they 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.040 want to go last because the the audience has been 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.080 laughing the whole time, right, and they're just ready to 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.959 laugh at anything. It's how comedians see it. I've been 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.240 Seinfeld's a great background show. I always have it on 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.160 during draft prep because I've seen a million times. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:13.680 Is this a stick that he does? 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.480 They talk about this philosophy in comedy. Okay, the idea 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:21.119 of being the crowd is so warmed up for wide 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:25.600 receivers because we had maybe twenty nineteen in the moment, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.919 wasn't a great class, but people remember it for what 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.760 those players have been, not necessarily what they were. But 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.280 then in twenty twenty we talked about you had five 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.200 receivers go in the first round, and we talked about 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.080 what a great class that was. And then in twenty 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.399 twenty one you had six a record go in the 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.359 first round, and then last year you had another five. 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.640 People are so ready to just assume if I see 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.960 a receiver in the NFL draft projected to go in 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.480 the top one hundred, he's going to be a superstar. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.280 I think people are just in that mindset, you know, 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.800 I don't know how I keep doing mocks. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:54.960 Orr. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.199 I have the Patriots taking receivers kind of late, and 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.280 people say, why aren't you just taking the play making 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.399 wide receiver at forty six? The game breaking wide receiver 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:04.640 at forty six? Who? 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.320 Who were you talking about? That guy doesn't exist in 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.639 this draft. So I think that we do. So we 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.679 disagree slightly on that point. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.560 You you think that, all right, I'm gonna your guy Evan, 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:22.480 your buddy Justin Jefferson went twenty first overall? Are you 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.919 getting Justin? Are you getting Justin Jefferson twenty first over all? 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.480 In the drift last year? For instance? Right, uh, Sky Moore, 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.760 Alex Pierce, George Pickens, guys the Patriots wanted. Those guys 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.360 are first round picks this year. It doesn't work that way. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.240 It's not the same class. There's a tweet from so 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:37.800 I think that. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.959 This is what I disagree with just a little bit, okay, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:45.320 and I I disagree with people that I respect. Yeah, 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.359 a opinion on this, So maybe I'm on an island 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:49.919 on it, and I'm willing to be on an island. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.040 The thing that I see with this wide receiver class 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:58.879 is not necessarily the the justin Jefferson's being in the 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.679 twenties or are ceedee Lamb, I think went like eighteen 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.520 or nineteen to the Cowboys that year. I get that 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.960 this receiver class is not on that level of depth 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.320 and on that level of town in the first round. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.560 The problem that I have is that over the last 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.800 couple of years, when we've been really doing this professionally, 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:23.359 we've had people tell me that Johan Dotson is a 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.560 first round pick. He went to the Commanders last year. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.520 I think at like nineteen, Yes, right right, yeah, we'd 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.959 tell me Rashad Bateman to Baltimore, Hollywood Brown when he 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:38.200 was picked by Baltimore. Good pick by everybody in twenty nineteen. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:45.959 Those are that tier of receiver. Dodson, Bateman, Hollywood. Those guys, 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.520 to me, I think Zay Flowers and Jackson Smith and 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.240 Jig but are right there with them, right there with them. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.080 And that's why I don't I don't understand. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.760 But those you just said, you don't think those players 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:58.720 are first round picks. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.680 They are by they were drafted in the first round. 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.280 I would I have a do I have a first true? 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.360 I don't really do my point rankings by like ground, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.840 I don't really do it that way. But would I 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.760 if I translated it, would I have a first round 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.520 grade on Zay Flowers. No, I wouldn't have a first round. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.880 Grade just JA said first round receiver. 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.320 But I would probably only have about fifteen first round grade. Okay, 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.160 But the point is, so there's a whole other half 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.040 of the round that we still have to pick for, right. 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.200 No, But but that's not the point. It It pushes 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.879 when you have guys at the top right, when. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.919 You cannot tell me that Johan Dotson was worthy of 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.040 that pick last year and then tell me that Zay 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.720 Flowers isn't worthy of first round pick, that they're definitely. 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.440 It's not even it's not even that. Look, I would rather, 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.359 and it's gonna surprise you to hear this. I would 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:52.160 rather take Zay Flowers in the first round than any 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.760 of these projected Day two wide receivers outside of Marvin 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:59.000 Mims on Day two. Okay, I would because here's what happens. 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.040 You this draft doesn't have I just happen to have 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.560 the twenty twenty one draft up here, Jamar Chase, Jalen Wattle, 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.199 Toronta Smith. That group's not there, correct, So and I 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.800 think you're mistaken. Maybe my hatred for the wide receiver 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.119 class is how it's being talked about, because I actually 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:15.879 think the league's gonna see it sort of how I 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.320 describe it here. You don't have that class, but so 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.159 many people are just under or you don't have that 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.800 tier of this class. So many people are just under 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.880 the assumption that that's how the NFL works, that the 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.320 top receivers in the class or that level of player. 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:34.679 So now you have JSN, Zay Flowers, Quinton Johnson, people 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:38.359 viewing them like Jamar Chase, Jalen Wattle, Davante SI. 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.080 I understand what you're saying, and so now then what happens. 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.639 But that's that's That's not what I'm saying. What I 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.920 am saying to you is is that if you are 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:50.240 a team like let's use the Commanders the Commanders, and 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:51.920 I know they're not going to take another receiver. I'm 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.959 just saying, let's use it as an example. If they 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.000 felt like Johan Dotson was worth that pick last year, 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.119 there is no way their grading system tells you that 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:00.520 Zay Flowers is weren't the same. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.800 I know I don't disagree with you, but I'm saying 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.760 are teams going to so so you see teams saying 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:08.760 it like that, saying, Okay, Jahan Dotts was nineteen, Zay 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:09.600 Flowers as nineteen. 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.040 I see them see they should be saying that those 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.199 guys are in the same tier the same way that 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.119 I would say. That's felt like Marvin Mims and Sky 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:18.800 Moore should be viewed as the same. 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.240 But here's how I think some people, Here's how I 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:23.639 know a lot of people on the outside see it. 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.800 And here's how I wonder some NFL teams see it, 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.440 just because of how important the wide receivers positions become 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:35.600 in football. Do they see Zay Flowers, Jahan Dotts and 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.800 comparable players, comparable picks, or do they see it as 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.640 Zay Flowers is the best wide receiver in this class, 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:45.840 Jamar Chase was the best receiver in his class. Jamar 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.080 Chase was a top ten pick. Therefore, Zay Flowers must 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:49.399 be a top ten back. Because I'll tell you that 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.679 before you tell me that's ridiculous. No, isn't that how 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:53.720 we do it with quarterbacks? 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:54.240 Okay? 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:57.520 But because that's exactly that's exactly how we. 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.040 Do this is this really gets it for me. Okay, yeah, 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:07.080 because in twenty twenty one, Yeah, the Patriots selected Christian 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.560 Barmore at the top of the second round. They traded up, 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:11.800 they did correct to select Christian Barber at the top 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.840 of the second round. We spoke, I believe we spoke 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:19.160 to Bill Yeah later that day, and he said, it's 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:23.680 very rare that the top defensive tackle in the entire 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:27.200 draft is available on the on the beginning of Day two, 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:29.840 and we felt like it was too good to pass up. 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.880 So in my mind, they I think they might look 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.359 at this receiver class if they go receiver. This is 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.719 how I think they're gonna think. They might look at 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.480 this receiver class the same way they looked at Christian Barmore, 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:43.879 and they might say, look. 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:45.760 Oh they will in some years. 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.600 Right, the top receiver next year, Marvin Harrison Juniors could 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:51.280 be the number one pick in the freaking draft. 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:52.880 He'd be a number one picking this draft right. 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:54.639 He could be the number one pick in the draft. 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:56.760 That's if the team that's picking number one overall has 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.200 a quarterback already. He could be the number one pick 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:03.760 in the draft. If he's not available right, then wide 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.840 receiver one's not available right to us. But this year 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:10.440 Jackson Smith the jig, but wide receiver one is available 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.880 at fourteen right now. The other thing that I would 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.040 just say, but okay, so I don't entirely disagree with 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.639 that that. 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.120 But are the other teams going to see it that way? 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.679 I don't know. My thing is more I think that 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:27.800 they would so I JSN is legit wide receiver one 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:31.119 and all that and right. But my concern so the 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.560 Barmore things actually a perfect comp because the way I 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:36.879 see it going is they say, all right, we have 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.400 these guys grated in the second round, but it's good 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:42.120 for this class. So we're gonna be able to get 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.440 you know, Zay Flowers, the second best receiver early in 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.000 the second round. But the other teams are gonna say 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:49.800 it's a wide receiver driven league and they're all off 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.119 the board by twenty okay, right, So that if the 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.440 other teams don't afford them that that's more where I'm 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:55.880 coming from. 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.080 Fair that's a mistake. But I think the biggest the 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.280 thing that I get on you about is that once 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.840 we get to day two, if we are still sitting 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:09.520 here on Friday, and you and I are are talking 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.200 or texting back and Forth or whatever. And some of 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:16.080 these guys are still there because the league guys, let's say, 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:20.080 you know, Jordan Addison or Josh Downs and Quentin Johnston 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.200 and like some of these guys that are maybe like 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:27.119 three very different players. Mimsy, you know, my guy, Mingo. 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.040 These are so many different tiers of players. But I'm 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.040 just saying all these Day two receivers, I think, are 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:33.800 these guys that are gonna all go on Day two. 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.359 That's That's what I'm naming Day two guys. If all 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:42.280 of these guys are there, then they are getting drafted properly. 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:46.240 They're getting drafted where they should get drafted, right. And 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.280 I look at it, and I look at it and 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.240 I say that I think, let's take Marvin Mims because 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:55.720 we both like Marvin Mims. Marvin Mims to me is 0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:02.800 in an equal tier to Taekwon, to Sky, to Alec Pierce, 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.200 like to all the guys that went better than those guys. 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.600 So then why are we not taking him on Day 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.480 two the sixth round. 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:11.680 I've said, Marvin Mims at forty six, that's that is 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:13.000 my day too wide receiver pick. 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.600 But I live with all these guys. To me, whether 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:18.800 it's because my know is that I don't like his Hyatt, right, 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.360 So okay, So that's my point. Is everybody else I'm 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:22.440 on board with on day two. 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.080 But when people do that with Jalen Hyatt, when people 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.639 do that with Jonathan Mingo, when people do that with 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.280 disagree on we Okay, fine, I shouldn't have tried to 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:33.480 pick a fight. I should have brought that one up. 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.040 Let me reset. When people do that with Jalen Hyatt, 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.639 When people do that with Tyler Scott, when people do 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.280 that with Tank Dell, when people do with A. T. Perry, 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.280 and their logic is, well, he's a day two wide receiver. 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.600 Of course he's good. No, because last year pretty much 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:50.280 all of those players I just named are Day three picks. 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.440 I agree with you there, So I think that's here. 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:54.040 We're down a tier two. 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.680 So here's my I It's not that I don't think 0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:59.520 there's guys you can get on day two that are 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.760 right to go in day two. I think the sheer 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:06.680 volume of them is significantly less than it's been the 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.320 last couple of years, and teams are going to realize that. 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.400 I think Josh Downs is going to go before well 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:14.879 before forty six. I had him going thirtieth. 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:17.760 I think I'll go well before forty six, but I'm 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.800 really interested to see because I've always I keep comparing 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:25.240 this to the nineteen draft right where only Hollywood and 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:29.000 Nikhil Harry went in the first round. Everybody else, Aj Brown, Debo, 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:33.280 the whole rest of them went on Day two. My really, 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:38.280 and your whole adage of the positional value of the 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:42.680 wide receivers now pushing everything upah is I think could 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.720 potentially be spot on right, Like that could be exactly. 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.240 How the quarter what happens wide receiver quarterback. 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:51.320 It's just worth it to try the Bills picking at 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.440 the end of the first round to take Josh Downs. 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:56.440 It's just they, oh God, that would be such a 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.200 good pick, right. It just is worth it to them, 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:01.480 even though they take Jalen Y instead. Even the Josh 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:05.160 Downs might be more like a fortieth pick and a 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.800 good receiver draft, the positional value is so high that 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.920 it's worth it. I just look at it and say 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.120 that I think that the league is going to view 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:18.360 it and not prop. 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:22.320 Up the position quite that much. And that's why I 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:26.000 feel so by forty six, whether it's the first round 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.520 pick or it's your second round pick. One of those 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.160 picks I really feel like should be a receiver, and 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.800 I think that there's going to be a receiver worthy 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:34.440 of that pick. 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.160 So okay, that last thing is what I'm worried about, 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.520 because again, how much does it need to be propped up? 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:45.000 Let's take JSN, Quentin Johnson, Jordan Adison say Flowers off 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.320 the board, right, Let's assume that they're gone first round 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.920 and whatever. Right, So who do you need to fall? 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:51.160 Like? 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.240 Who are the guys realistic that could fall to justify 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:54.640 that pick. I'm just going to read off the board, 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.880 Evan Jalen Hyatt Nor. 0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:01.000 We just don't like were some people like him, but 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:01.360 he's not. 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:03.680 He's not the guy that we're talking about, the guy 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.000 that when we say they need to go get an 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.000 impact receiver and they can do so on day two, 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.120 if they get Jalen Hyatt, we would say they did 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:14.120 not accomplish that, right, Josh Downs, I think we both agree, yes, 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:15.960 But is he how far is he making it? I 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.600 don't think he gets past thirty five. Cedric Tillman. I 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:21.880 wouldn't hate if they draft Cedric Tillman, but like I 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.160 wouldn't say that they got a playmaker, I'd say. Okay, 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.720 now we start talking about Devonte Parker as a camp cut, right, 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:33.360 Marvin Mims, we both agree, yes, Tyler Scott, No, Tank 0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:34.560 Dell too. 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:38.200 Small, No, Rashi Rice two doesn't separate. 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.280 Yeah, so you like Mingo, I don't. We'll call that 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:41.760 a split. 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:43.240 What do you mean a split? And you got to 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.880 talk about mingo for a second? No, no, no, let 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:47.720 me make my point. Then we can talk about mingo. Okay, 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.760 that's we'll call two and a half receivers. Mims downs mingo. Yeah, 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.280 that's and you just around out the top one hundred, 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.920 Jayden Reid, it would be a reach at that point 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.520 at Perry, No, Kayshawn Boute over that one. 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.840 I missed on that, I admitted I missed. There you go, 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:05.520 Mark to tape. 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:06.920 That's what that's what the combine is for. 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:12.160 And Michael Wilson, No, ye, that's two guys. That's two 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:16.000 or three. That's two or three players. You either need 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.200 to fall from thirty one to forty six. So are 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.240 there going to be Is there gonna be one wide 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.400 receiver taken in a span of fifteen picks on the 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.600 top fifty or are you going to move up to 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.640 get him. That's basically what if you can't do that, 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:31.720 then you shouldn't take a receiver on Day two? This 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.400 because he is the don't fascinating about this draft. I 0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:36.680 don't need them to draft Jayden and I like Jane Reid. 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.560 I don't need them to draft Jayden reading Berry. I 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.760 don't need them to draft Tyler Scott and have him 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.840 flame out. I don't need them to draft at Perry 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.480 just to find out he's slower tack on Thornton. 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:46.719 Right. 0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.960 What kills me is the and we're gonna get himing 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.920 on a second, I promise. Yeah, is the just blind 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.600 blinders on take a receiver on day two because it works, 0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.520 because every receiver in the NFL draft is good. It's honestly, 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.760 it's the exact same thing as the Well, No, they 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.480 don't need to take quarterback in the first round to 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.479 replace Mac Jones. Just draft do what the Eagles did. 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.000 Draft an athletic upside quarterback in the second round like 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.000 Jalen Hurts and you're good. Yeah, I think honestly, and 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:14.720 I'm a mat guy. People know this. I want to 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:16.400 see them stick it out with him. I think that 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.600 would be a great play this year. Show me the guy, 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.520 Show me the guy. You can't just describe a player 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:22.040 that day. 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:24.240 That guy in this draft is head and hooker, but 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:25.040 that's but he. 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.040 Doesn't have the upside that you know, because it's about 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:31.320 upside and he's on the second right, you can't like. 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:33.480 It bugs me if people do this in the draft. 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:35.959 You don't get to describe a player without a name 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.760 and then say draft them because that player might not 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.160 be there. And I feel like a receiver. I feel 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.480 like the receiver people want the Patriots to take. I 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.160 need a name because I think a lot of people 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.840 are describing a player without a name, and at that point, 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:50.600 what are we doing? 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.960 Okay, so, uh, the two names that I keep coming 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.440 back to, and we're talking about Day two receivers. Yeah, 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.400 the most fascinating thing that I think about this draft 0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.640 is how exactly these receivers come off the board. Yeah, 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:06.520 because you are correct that this draft, this draft should 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.480 look like the twenty nineteen draft at receiver besides Jays. 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:12.920 But not with it's not that many, it's not that deep. 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:14.040 There's not that many hits. 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.280 But but my point is, but I get, Okay, James 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.600 saylers should be the second receiver picking off the board 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.640 in the mid twenties, right where Hollywood breads. 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:24.240 You were three in the first round and then you 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:25.800 get a big run in the second, right, is what 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.040 you're okay? Yeah, I yes, that's probably what it's going 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:28.400 to look like. 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:32.040 That's how it should look if your fear of positional 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.920 value comes into play. Yeah, and then Zay Flower is 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:36.440 going to be a top twenty pick in the draft. 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.480 He's going to go at the end of the teams. 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:41.120 He's not getting out of the first round. 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.880 I don't think he's getting out of the I don't 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:44.400 think he should. 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:44.840 No. 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:46.640 My point is is he's going to go five to 0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:48.960 ten picks higher than he probably should. So instead of 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.040 at twenty five, we're now going to be talking about 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:52.040 him at like sixteen. 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:52.520 Right. 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.640 You know, supposedly the reason the Packers wanted thirteen was 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.600 to take Oh no, that was Chase said, okay, So that. 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.320 That it's really fast to see. How does the league 0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:04.880 because they did this a few years ago, not to 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:07.120 go on a separate tangent, but it is a few 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.480 years ago with quarterbacks. With that the Milik Willis class, right, 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:14.279 there was no quarterback selected for I think Pickett last year, Yeah, 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.480 Pickett was sixteen or something like that. 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:17.960 And it was that's true. OK, that's true. 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.560 Right, So they course corrected at quarterback last year. Let's 0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.279 see what they do at receiver this year. The one 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.480 guy that I think, you know, we both agree on Mims. 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.080 If MS is somebody that they can target on day 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.360 two and we're both on board, I think Josh Downs 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.960 would be like dream Mims is like like realistic. 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:38.319 So right, hang on a second, and I think Down 0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:39.120 is the better player? 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:39.839 Yeah? 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.600 Is Mims more what they need right now? I kind 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:44.120 of think he is. 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.320 I think what I worry about with Mims is that 0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:49.440 is he a little bit too redundant to Taekwon? You know, 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.799 like they're both straight down to Juju. No. I think 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.360 I think Downs is like a true like Welker Edelman 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:57.879 slot like a shifty right. 0:34:57.800 --> 0:34:59.279 But you can't how are you getting them both on 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:03.160 the field? Okay, redundant skill set? 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.480 But like but in eleven personnel, Like yeah, you would 0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:07.600 have to probably play a lot of like three by 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.439 ones and stuff like that to have like two slots, yeah, 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:11.640 and stuff like that. 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.759 Formationally, he's redundant, not skill set wise, I should play. 0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:16.840 It would be I think you could do it, like 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:18.400 if you're if you're in the three by one or 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.200 you're in two by two or something like that, and 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.680 you're going four, like you have two slots, right, like 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:24.480 you have an inside slot and you have an outside. 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:26.600 And Thornton you just put speed out there. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.680 Yeah, I think that there you can. I think that's fine. 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.000 I would take Downs just because when with Mims, I 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.839 think he separates more on a vertical plane. He's either 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.360 coming across the field or he's going deep vertically up 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.320 the field, Whereas with Downs, I think he's got that 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:44.520 shifty gear, right, He's got that that jitterbug and I 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.080 just see it that way. But that I think Downs 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.560 is dream right, Yeah, Mims is realistic. 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:50.040 Yeah. 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.560 And then we disagree on Mingo, and I think the 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:53.200 biggest thing. 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.480 Is, so you were you of Mingo? I have Cedric Tillman. Basically. 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:57.640 I like Cedric Tillman a lot too. I actually have 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.960 him grated higher than Mingo. But I think Cedric I 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.520 think with Cedric Tillman, you don't get that, you don't 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.400 get the yak. I think Mingo has more yak potential. 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:10.080 Yeah, but I I don't mind to jump, all guy, 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:11.600 I don't know. I don't mind to. 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:15.520 Jump Tillman's really good. I think his best asset to 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.399 me is his ability to stop, Like he can get 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.000 up the field vertically, push you vertical and then slam 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.320 and and he killey Ringo could not cover him on 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:27.960 those come back routes, so that that element of his 0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.440 skill set is interesting. I just think Mingo is a 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.480 little bit more of a runaway train with the football, 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:33.760 and I think that's valuable. 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:35.960 But I guess I'm more something like, wasn't that the 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:37.680 whole point of why you signed Juju to get the 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:38.759 yak right? 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.520 But I think Mingo is a little bit more of 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.279 an outside guy than Juju is. And one of the 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:45.680 other thing, I know what I'm saying, you got the 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.200 yak guy. Yeah, but everybody can be a yak guy. 0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.120 I mean you look at San Francisco, you got like sixteen. 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:52.959 Okay, so why do you need why do you need whatever? 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.120 Because I think us but because I think the yack guy, 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.040 I think that's how their offense is gonna is gonna function, right, Yeah, 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.320 But I like Timer was yack guy, and so is Gronk. 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:02.800 Like you have to have you know, you have to 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:03.320 have both of that. 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.560 But i'd like for right, so they got the yak guy, 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.440 I'd like to see them get a guy that can 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.319 go up and get the football and win against bigger 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.640 physical corners. Like so their offense for a couple of 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.920 years has been all physical separators, no yak, right, and 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.799 that wasn't great. I don't know that shifting to all 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.360 yak is the answer either. I think you want to 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.480 diversified skill sets. So if you have a yak guy 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:26.840 and then you go out and get a guy like 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:31.000 Cedric Tillman who can win, you know, physically. I like 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:32.320 having guys that can do different. 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:33.800 I mean, Mingo's two hundred and twenty pounds, like, I 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:35.080 think he can win physically too. 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:37.479 I just that's not my concern with Mingo. 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.719 We'll get into my concern my my, my take on 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.520 what they think about their receivers right now. Yeah, is 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:46.160 I truly believe that they feel like Taekwon's going to 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:50.120 be the separator that Taekwon that's okay under Bill O'Brien 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.840 is gonna I think Tae Kwon. I don't think Taekwon's 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:54.600 an X, right. I don't think you want to just 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.200 put Taekwon on the boundary, have him go one on 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.680 one and beat press coverage the whole time. I think 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:03.680 that they're gonna have Bill O'Brien use Taekwon this year 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.160 a little bit like he used Jamison Williams and like 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.560 Davante Smith before that in the Alabamon. 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:13.399 Jamison Williams role specifically because DeVonta Smith was a little 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:17.440 more like slot driven and stuff like that. Like what 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.239 they did with Jamison Williams is to me the. 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.279 Role, right, Move him around a little bit, bring them 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:27.040 in motion, have them run routes from stacks or trips 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.600 alignment to try to get him away from physicality, right, 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.120 just get him away from contact and just turn it 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.719 into a game of tag coming across the field, going 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.239 up the field, and allow Mac, which I think is 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:42.719 probably Mac's best throw is those touchdeep balls, right that 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:45.799 he throws a pretty deep ball. It's I'm not talking 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.200 about the velocity throws. I'm not talking about fitting into 0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:50.600 a window twenty five yards down the field. I'm talking 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.880 about the rainbows. Right, let him drop it in the bucket. 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:56.000 I think he makes that throw really well. Slot verticals, yeah, 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.839 verticals from the slot motion plays over routes like things 0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:03.920 like that. I think that that's his best throw in 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.480 his bag, So I think that's what they're gonna try 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:09.600 to get out of Taekwon, which means that if Taekwon's 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:11.879 playing more like a Z or a flanker role where 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.160 he's moving around, and then Juju is kind of that 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.160 f slot receiver that's just sitting in the slot. You 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.080 need an X and I think they feel like they 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.400 have one for the time being with Devonte Parker. But 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.280 Devanta Parker doesn't have a long term future in New England. 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.400 So whether it's Mingo, it's Tillman, I think those are 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.399 the two guys that I feel comfortable with on Day two. 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.799 And it's not a deep X class. I don't think 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:38.520 a lot of x's are gonna go off the board 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.520 very quickly, but they might look at it and say, look, 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:47.480 there's a million shifty slot receivers in this draft. There's 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.120 only four or five X guys, and we're gonna just 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:51.759 grab one of the four or five X guys. 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:53.640 I know, I'm, I'm, and then we'll get the slot 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:54.040 guy later. 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.000 Tomorrio Tuglas, I'm talking to a little bit out of 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.680 both sides of my mouth because I've been anti Quentin Johnson, 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.319 but I've been t Quintin Johnson because I don't want 0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.799 them to take Quentin Johnson at fourteen. We're talking about 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.360 them taking a receiver at forty six. 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.239 Quint Johnson in the second round, right, Yeah, I mean 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:11.000 he's better than like, he's better than Tillman. 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.080 Yeah. So yeah, he's better than both these guys. 0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:15.680 But he's gonna go in the first round because some 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:21.400 team's going to see the size. I so my issue 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:22.759 on Mingo by the way, because he never got to it. 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:26.320 My issue on Mingo it maybe this is dumb. I 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.400 just see it as a red flag. That is the 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:33.719 most skill position friendly offense right that lane Kiffen runs 0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:37.200 down there. You have to try to not put up 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:41.000 numbers in that offense. I don't know, fifty one catches 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:41.960 for eight hundred yards. 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:45.040 It was seventeen yards per catch Though'll be fair. Yeah, 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.879 but big play guy, but that's it. Yeah. 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:52.440 And is it going to be a big play offense 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.279 or is it going to be the Bill O'Brien death 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:56.800 by a thousand paper cuts offense? 0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:00.200 I think I think, ideally, I think it's going to 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.759 be similar to. I think it's gonna be a little 0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:05.239 bit of both, like because I think it's more of 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.680 like a hybrid between a death by a thousand paper 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.879 cuts in the Alabama offense, right. I think that that's 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:13.880 where they're ideally going with this, And my estimation is 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:15.920 that the high volume area will be the middle of 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.440 the field. But every once in a while, if you 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.000 got the safeties coming down, you've got the linebackers and 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.160 the slots, everybody's focused on the middle of the field, 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:26.520 You're gonna get some one on ones for those guys 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:26.880 on the end. 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.040 But isn't that why Taekwon's here? Isn't that why my 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:33.680 Kasiki's here? I just I s I you're very nord. 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:35.000 I brought Kasiki up in that, aren't you. 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:35.239 No. 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.239 No, I just I think Ksiki is somebody that you 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.120 hope is going to stretch the seam to get the 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:41.600 safeties off of treachery. 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.160 I just think that I see a guy that's big. 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.239 He's fast, but he's not fast, right. 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.359 A four to four six at two twenty is moving, yeah, 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.879 but it's still it's and his game speed is really good. 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:58.719 I just I wish he ran the agility drills. Yeah, 0:41:58.760 --> 0:41:59.919 he's with it a little better. 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:01.480 He's not gonna be an agility guy. 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:02.399 That's but that's what I'm saying. 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:06.560 So, Okay, he's big, he's a big, fast, physical outside receiver. 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:11.760 He's Nikhil Harry, but he's but he's a steper two faster. 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.600 All right, That's what I did. That's exactly what I 0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:14.239 didn't want to say. 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.440 But he's a stepper two faster. If Nikhil Harry had 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.000 another gear, then he's a different prob. 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.320 But does a step er two faster fix all of 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.719 the formational alignment assignment issues? That a guy that the 0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:27.880 guys like that, not just ni Keel, guys like that 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:29.040 keep having here. 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.280 Asked me after I see what Bill O'Brien does. Okay, 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:37.640 so Bill O'Brien is gonna be is going to be 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:38.200 a wild card. 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.680 I do kind of have to keep reminding myself of that. 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.399 And that's fair, And that's I'm not saying. I think 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.960 one hundred last year would Mingo? Would you be as 0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:47.799 high on Mingo for them? 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:48.960 Uh? 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:54.200 I don't know. I liked Alec Pearce, and I think 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.239 that Alec Pearce was a little bit better of a 0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.640 ball winner down the field, like he was a little 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.319 bit more of that DeVante Parker contested catch guy than 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.040 Mingo is. But I did really like his game for 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.200 similar reasons. You know, a guy that that could get 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:09.279 off press, I could get up the field and it 0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:12.120 was really good play speed. He was a little bit more. 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.879 He had that above the rim mentality that I don't 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:17.600 know if Mingo fully died. I think Mingo is a 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:18.200 better yeat. 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:19.320 Guy, but I just I don't know. I see this 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:20.759 guy and I just think, all right, they're gonna have 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.640 him running quick slants and off coverage and hitches and like, 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:25.480 I just don't want to do that. Again, that's not 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.640 his game, right, So that that's my he's that's my 0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:29.440 issue with Jonathan. 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.440 He's like catching a screen or he's catching a vertical right, 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:32.960 and there's. 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.160 Like they have not hit on one of those guys. 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:36.840 That's all right, let's take some of these calls and 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:38.640 then we'll get to some of the other things on 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:44.479 the agenda. Patty, what's up, Patty, what's up? Guys? Thanks 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:44.960 for hanging on. 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:48.520 Great discussion as always, Alex, I got having a little 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:51.320 fired up durned to you, and I'm not trying to 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:53.520 fire you guys up, but I might do the same thing. 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.520 I got a I got a couple of both predictions, 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:59.239 one NFL draft related, one Patriots draft related, and I 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.720 got a a question regarding me a prospect. 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:04.279 To hang on first, real quick, what did you how 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:05.879 did you get him fired up? During pus He said 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:07.799 you wanted to take Mozzie Smith in the first round. 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:10.279 Oh that was a good one. Yeah, that's a good 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:12.480 one going. Yeah, I would thank you, Patty. 0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:15.920 Uh yeah, No, I didn't say I wanted I just 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:17.960 said I could see them doing that like one hundred 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.640 percent of heaven. What I've what I've been thinking is like, 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:23.160 what's going to annoy the piss out of me more 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.160 than anything? And that's generally what the Patriots do is gap. 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:28.560 Nothing moves the needle more. 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:30.200 He's pretty athletic. 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.600 But here's my bold prediction for the Patriots draft, and 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:38.480 that is they will pick one tight end at pick 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:42.000 number forty six, and it's going to be Luke spoon 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:45.360 Maker who they're going to reach for. With Darnel Watson 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:48.800 and still on the board. Ready for this, Alex, I 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.560 know this is going to fire you up. Okay, my 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:56.359 old NFL draft prediction is we will be drafted by 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:58.799 the Arizona Cardinals and by the end of the year 0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:02.280 he will win the starting and they're gonna deal freaking 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:03.120 Kyler Murray. 0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:07.680 No, he said Stets and Bennett's gonna get drafted by 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:09.200 the Cardinals. Murray. 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:13.560 Oh boy, okay, Patty, that's you said. It was bold, right? 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.040 It is? He a ud F A like I don't know. 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.320 I don't know if Stets and Bennett's getting drafted, Patty. 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.160 There were reports that teams have significant non football concerns 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.440 about him. I also happened at football concerns. 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.799 About him very much, A lot of football concern. 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.000 Now, look, the Cardinals aren't very good at this. Well, 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.279 I guess it's new. It's a new group running the 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.560 show there, so who knows. But I I don't get 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:41.680 Stets and Ben Stets and Bennett hype like Max dug 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:43.560 In is a better version of the same player who 0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.120 will be on the board the same point, I would not. 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.640 It's Stets and Bennett's like I think Stets Bennett's the 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.040 same age as Mac. Yeah, I would not touch ST's 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:51.319 and Bennet with a ten foot Thanks for the. 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:53.360 Call, Patty. We appreciate you real quick. 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:54.120 Real quickly. 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:59.960 Yeah, just if And here's another guy I'm intrig bye, 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:03.440 Bryce ford Wheaton. If he hits the ceiling, how good 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:04.959 can he be? And do you guys have a player 0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:06.160 tom for him? That's a guy. 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:08.600 Okay, thank you, Patty. Yeah, that's a So this is 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:09.640 a good conversation too. 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:13.360 If Bryce ford Wheaton hits his ceiling, don't don't be ridiculous. 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:16.520 Well, no, I'm gonna use the one. It's not my 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:20.640 comp Eric Galca told us Metcal. Oh my god, no, 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.080 how's that not the ceiling? Because he doesn't move like 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:29.320 DK Metcalf. Bryce Ford Wheton's forty and his whole combine 0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:33.279 blows my mind even more than Darnell Washington because when 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.320 I watch Bryce Ford Wheaton, it looks like he's running 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:40.920 in quick with freaking you know, ankle weights wrapped around 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.040 his legs like what. He does not move like DK. 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:49.920 DK is a freaking shot out of cannon, you know, 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:55.360 train commuter rail going up up Route one like that? 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:56.560 This is not nice. 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:57.680 Why are there trains on Root one? 0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.440 I don't know where did I don't know where I 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.520 was going with that price for and I can't believe 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:05.880 that he tested as well as I don't see that 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:07.600 kind of speed with him on film. I don't think 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:09.920 he plays to it at all. Like maybe he's a 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.680 he's a good guy in spandex at the combine, But 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:14.560 do you when you watch him on film, do you 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.000 really see a four three eight guy? 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.080 No, but I don't think of him as slow. 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.719 He's not slow, but like his game is like back shoulders, 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:25.479 high points like that, Like he wears coverage. He doesn't 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:26.360 run away from anybody. 0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.759 So it's it's kind of weird. You're gonna hate this 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:32.560 even more now when I say this. Okay, I was 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:36.120 watching him as a given. You probably when you watch him, 0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:38.360 you probably only watch him as a receiver. I'm not 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:41.640 surprised he this Your minds is blown when you watch 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.319 him cover punts, you see the four three eight. 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:46.800 So but that's so, But that that tells me that 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:48.640 he's overthinking it as a receiver, right. 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:50.720 Right, So again we're talking about him hitting his ceiling. 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.560 We're not talking about guaranteed who's gonna be Yeah, And 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:55.239 this is kind of the comp with DK Metcalf, And 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:57.480 this is what I think the Seahawks did really well 0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.480 with him they kind of put him out there and said, 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.319 just go just run, right, if a team can simplify 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:06.359 it for him and allow him to just go, yeah, 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:09.200 he's going to look a lot, a lot fast, And 0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.200 he did it West Virginia. His route treat at West 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.640 Virginia was expansive. Maybe he didn't laboring, maybe he didn't 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.239 run all the routes. Great, but it reminds me so much. 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.760 Of Darnell Washington, just at a different position. Where Darnell 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:26.240 Washington runs this ridiculous forty at six seven two sixty. 0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.280 But then when you watch him on film, he looks 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.560 he's slow like he it takes he's leggy, like it 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:34.520 just takes him a long time to get up to 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.840 a top speed to the point where I don't know 0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:40.120 how much of a factor his burst really is. Like 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.839 that's to me, I think we get you know, there's 0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.080 long speeding in this burst, right, And I think burst 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.600 off the line of scrimmage for receivers is way more 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:49.879 important than what you hit when you're forty yards down 0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:52.359 the field because it's timing right. It's all yeah. 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.640 But again, I would just say, if a team can 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:57.720 figure out a way to true I think the physical 0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:59.839 tools are there, I do. I think they don't show 0:48:59.920 --> 0:49:02.840 up on tape because he's fighting himself a lot. But 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.839 if he gets the right coaching and he gets an 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.360 assystem where it's just sort of, hey, just go win physically, 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:12.480 nobody's tested better physically than him at the wide receivers. 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:17.359 So my I know that he's more athletic based off 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.600 the combine. Yeah, but I just I just see like 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:23.840 Devonte Parker. Okay, So again the question was if he 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:27.520 totally hits his peak. I think Parker's a better comp 0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:30.280 I think it's I think Parker's his ceiling. 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:32.759 No, his ceiling's side, and I don't think it is 0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:35.160 no because he's he can be better after the catch. 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.400 He was good after the catch at West Virginia. And 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:39.680 that's again where you see that athleticism when he gets 0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:41.120 the ball in his hands in the open field that 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:43.280 he can start just sort of running away from defenders. 0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:45.560 You see that athleticism hit the next level. 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:48.800 I guess if we're really talking about like blows it 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:51.560 out of the water ceiling. But Devonte Parker had a 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:54.279 thousand yard season, like on his resume, a Pro Bowl year, 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.360 That's okay, that's fair I don't know if Prize Fortan 0:49:57.480 --> 0:49:59.439 is ever going to be that. I think you're really 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:00.560 project a lot. 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:02.640 I don't know that he look. The teams that should 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:06.400 be in on Brice Ford Wheaton are the Steelers, Chiefs, 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:09.520 the Seahawks, these teams that maximize it because he's a 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:13.239 long way away. Yeah, but it's it's it's like I 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:15.160 said last year with Treequel, and it's like I'm saying 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:20.319 with Dwan Jones. The size, the athleticism, there's something there 0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:23.040 and I don't know what it is or to what extent, 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:27.400 but there's clearly some great natural ability there. 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.080 He looks really good at the combine. That's what's the no. 0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:33.240 But he there's there's flashes too in these games. 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.600 But his flashes are like back shoulders and like in 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:39.640 high points, like he's a good red zone target, Like 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:41.480 you throw a back shoulder at that guy, he's freaking. 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:43.480 There's some flash of him running with the football too. 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:44.960 They ran some screens to him that he. 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:47.920 There were a few that I saw that that were decent. 0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.759 But I'm not getting like all hot and bothered by him. 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:54.160 It's he's he's John. This to me sounds like how 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:55.399 you were describing Jonathan Mingo. 0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:58.680 I guess he's day three Jonathan. 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.080 Yeah, yeah, Mago's a little further along. He's a little 0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:03.439 more developed, but it's the same guy. I just again, 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.279 I look at the physical testing. I look at the 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.000 I look at the physical testing. I look at the measurements. 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.600 I look at what he did in the flashes. Not 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:12.560 saying I'd take him in the top one hundred, I wouldn't. 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:15.719 They have four six round picks. They want to take 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:17.359 him in the sixth round, and if he's the only 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.160 receiver that they take, then we have a problem. 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:22.400 Well, they're gonna like him. They're gonna really like him. 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.360 It has nothing to do with the fact anything of 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:26.560 him as a receiver, because he tested out the combine, 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:28.400 he was on their team at the Shrine Bowl, and 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:29.719 he's really good at covering punts. 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:32.160 If they take him, that's why. But it's a sixth 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.800 round player, all right. Anyways. 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.239 But if he maxes out, if he maxes out, he's 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:39.160 a thousand yard receiver. 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:40.960 Maybe. 0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:44.279 If he maxes out, if a team finds the role 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:46.840 and coaches him up, if he gets the Pittsburgh Steelers 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:49.680 treatment like that, the A plus. 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:54.120 Receiver in one breakout season. He's not gonna be a 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:57.360 consistent thousand yard receiver. It's not like he's gonna have 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.960 five thousand yard seasons by the time. 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:02.640 That usually comes down to like health and stuff like that. 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:06.480 I don't know the tight end point that Patty made 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:12.560 about Schoonmaker over Darnell Washington. I think he's onto something. 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:14.440 And I know he's a Michigan guy because he's already 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:19.600 mentioned Mozzie Smith. So he's a Michigan guy. He's onto something. 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.799 But I think he's got the wrong Big ten tight end. 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:26.200 Oh you you like Laporta. 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:31.120 I I think it was. Schrager reported this on NFL 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:35.160 Network that he knows teams have the Porta over Washington. 0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:37.480 I'm not saying every team. I'm saying some teams have. 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.759 I would not be shocked if Sam Laporta is taken 0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:41.880 over Darnell Washington. 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.759 I so, I I can also see them drafting the 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:46.640 tight end. We don't think they're gonna take ahead of 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:48.000 tight ends. We think they're gonna take I think it's 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:48.600 Tucker Craft. 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:50.120 Yeah, I agree with that. 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:52.439 Actually, I meant to tweet this out this morning. 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:56.000 I think Schoonmaker's on their board for suremaker because he's 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:59.520 Shrine Bowl guy and he's a really really good blocker 0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:03.520 and some untapped potential as a receiver. His combine matches 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:05.600 up to his play speed. Yeah, they just didn't throw 0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:06.040 them the ball. 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.600 So I so I meant to tweet this out this morning. 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.120 I kind of just like jotted down some gut draft predictions. 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:13.239 We can do all of them if you want, but 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:15.680 one of them was they're the tight end they take 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:16.920 is not gonna be one of the guys we've been 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:19.640 talking about. We've been we've been not like talking talking. 0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:21.920 I think we talked enough about Tucker Kraft to say 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:22.879 that we talked about him. 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:24.480 He Yeah, he wouldn't be in the group. I'm thinking 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:28.520 like Will Mallory, the kid from Penn State, Strange. I 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:31.279 think his last name is actually Strange. Yeah, No, I 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.640 was thinking more like Davis Allen from Clemson. 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:36.480 Yeah, I like, yeah, I watched all these guys recently 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:38.960 just to like round out the tight ends. Yeah, and uh, 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:43.520 they're gonna reach from Oklahoma is interesting. I do like 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:45.960 him for that, like six or seventh round. Yeah, because 0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:46.560 he's underside. 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:48.480 But here's what I think. So those guys who just said, right, 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.680 Mallory Allen. These are like, yeah, fifth, sixth round guys. Yeah, 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:53.200 they're gonna take one of those guys at the end 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.399 of the fourth round instead of the guys we've been talking. 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.960 Mallory is one of my gut Mallory is interesting well 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.600 because he had the best combine. Yeah, and they love 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:01.399 the combine now. 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:04.759 And that speeded. He's not a route runner, like, he's 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:06.399 not somebody that's gonna break you down at the top 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:08.600 of the route and get open, but they use them 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:11.759 a lot on like shallows and like crossing routes at 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:15.120 different levels and things like that. And he's got he's 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:16.960 got four or five speed like you can see that 0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:19.160 on film, and he's got some ability to pull away. 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:19.759 Uh. 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.239 He's an interesting player if they miss out on like 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:24.200 the wave of tight ends that's gonna go on day 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:29.200 two and they're kind of stuck, all right. Uh uh Eldred, Eldred, 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:32.120 what's up? You ready for Quinton Johnson this weekend? In 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:34.600 the truck? What's up? Good? Hey? 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:39.759 Yeah, Alex, how you're doing? Yeah? I want him, But 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.040 like I said, I wrote the not mingo. Scuse me, h, 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:47.480 Gazales if we need a corner, But all, your receiver 0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.160 is gonna be going by thirty man, Dave got Jonathan 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:53.120 Mingo twenty fifth to the site, who has. 0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:58.440 The same probably you No, I have him fifty. 0:54:58.200 --> 0:54:59.240 Six pag. 0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:03.200 NFL network did. Uh? Obviously did? 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:04.399 Oh? 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:09.600 And yes I saw that mock. They I think they 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:11.480 had C. J. Stroud in like the twenties and they 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:13.280 had Bejon to the Patriots at fourteen. 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:16.760 What a wild mock? What what else you got? Aldred? 0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:25.160 Well? Just one three? About about about Kelly Ringo? Why 0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:27.440 ain't nobody talking much about my corner is. 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:29.600 Talking about? 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.800 Yeah? I'm glad you asked that, actually because I agree 0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:35.440 that not enough people are talking about Kelly Ringo. Who 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:37.040 and thanks for the call, Aldred. 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:39.600 Uh, He's the consensus number one corner in this draft 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:41.319 pretty much throughout the wall. 0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:45.040 Yeah, until Marvin Harrison Junior did what he did. Booked that. 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.560 But like every Marvin Harrison Junior cooked everybody. 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.160 I told you what the ultimate draft strategy is this year? Right, 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:52.799 I don't know. You take Marvin Harrison and you tell 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:55.600 Goodell the deal with Oh my god, Kelly's the best 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:56.600 pick any team could make. 0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:00.600 Kelly Ringo. I think he's interesting for two reasons. One, 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.919 he's definitely one of those guys that fails outside before 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:06.759 you move him inside or to safety. Some people, well 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.239 that's what I'm saying, right, I think you let him 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.480 fail at outside corner first, because his size and speed 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:17.360 should translate to carrying most vertical route runners. The issue 0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:19.680 is when he gets those dynamic guys that can shift 0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:23.960 on him, he can't stick. So he's got tight hips, 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:28.200 he doesn't change directions. Well, his agilities were terrible. Backed 0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:32.120 it up right. So he's somebody that I think is 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:37.080 going to be a extremely high level safety if that's 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:40.240 where he ends up going, and maybe a matchup corner 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:42.400 if you want to leave him at corner. But it's 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:45.520 definitely somebody that's worth talking about, I think for the Patriots, 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:48.160 because whether he plays safety or a corner, they could 0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:51.080 use a guy at either spot, and he does bring 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.680 some size. Maybe he has a Devin mccordy like career 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:56.160 or his rookie season. They play him at outside corner 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:57.759 because that's where they need him the most, and then 0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:00.400 they move them back once they kind of slid that 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:02.960 spot a little bit more with guys that are better 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.000 natural fits. I don't think he's like a true center 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.719 fielder if he moves to safety, but like I could 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:11.239 see him being like a Cam Chancellor, like really good 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:16.760 lockdown on tight ends, bring some extremely physical play to 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.560 the middle of the field, because he is a jacked 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:21.439 up guy in terms of his body and in terms 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:24.439 of his frame and he and he's a fast, fast guy. 0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:28.760 So you think about just giving him opportunities to see ball, 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:31.400 get ball, and just fire out of a cannon. He's 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.200 definitely gonna be an impact player, I think somewhere in 0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:34.760 the NFL. 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:36.919 Yeah, I think the other reason he doesn't get talked 0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:39.320 about a lot. If you ask five different people their 0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:41.479 opinions on him, you're gonna get five different answers because 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:42.720 he's so inconsistent. 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:46.400 And yeah, I mean even Tilman gave him a tough time, yeah, 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:46.840 in that game. 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:49.600 Basically, what it comes down to is like if he's playing, 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.440 if he played the way he did his best consistently, 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:54.280 he'd be the number one corner in the Shraft would 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:56.760 be talking about him his top five pick. But when 0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:59.240 he's not on his game, the drop off is it's 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:02.600 not like a little bit, it's significant. It completely changes 0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:06.040 the way you have to play defense. So I think 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:08.600 that's the hesitancy with teams. How much of that is 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:11.280 just he's young and he's learning. How much of that 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.400 is his attention span? How much of that is is 0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:16.320 this just who he is? So that's I think why 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:19.160 he gets less attention because there's it's easy to be 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:21.000 trigger shot with a guy like that. It's easy to 0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:23.320 or it's it's harder to look at a guy like 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:24.960 that and pound the table for a guy like that, 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.160 because there are plays you can pull up and say, 0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:29.040 what do you pound a table for this guy? 0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:33.480 I mean watching him against Tilman Center Tillman from Tennessee 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:37.320 last year and watching Tillman just stop on a dime 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:41.120 and Killey Ringo just bye bye, right, like just continues 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:44.760 up the field and just accelerate and change directions. It's 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.640 some rough film, and Marvin Harrison Junior basically did the 0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.640 same thing against him. But I think it'd be interesting 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:54.000 because I think he's one of those guys that had 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:55.960 a lot of first round buzz coming into the year, 0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:59.040 still has some first round buzz now that might end 0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:01.400 up being like then Toby Dean of this draft, right 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.200 that just hangs around and hangs around. 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:04.960 Well, the Kobe Dean was because of an injury. 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:07.640 Sure, I guess for a different reason. But at my 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:10.000 point being, if he was on the board at forty 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:12.720 six when the Patriots pick on Friday night, I wouldn't 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:15.000 be shocked. Like I wouldn't be totally shocked. 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:17.040 He's one of those it's one of those things like 0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:20.920 if he's there at forty six, I almost wouldn't take 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:23.600 him because if he's fallen that far probably reason, right, 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:27.600 there's a reason. So I if he's the guy that 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.000 he looks like at his best, he should be gone 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:33.439 well before forty six. If he's still there, then maybe 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:35.240 he's not really the guy he looks like. It is 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:36.160 best catch twenty two. 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:40.840 There you go. He's the stiffness and the agility testing 0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:42.760 that backed up the stiffness that you see on film 0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:44.720 is concerning. All right, one more call here and then 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:52.680 we're gonna do some draft over unders Manuel, it's up. Hey, Manuel, 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:54.840 you're there, Yeah, I'm here. 0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:56.680 Sorry, I was working. 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:58.760 I was sorry, No problem. Quick question. 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:02.200 I think that our pick is going to come down 1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:04.960 to two Georgia people, and I want to know what 1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:08.400 would be your pick on this? So to me, I 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:10.200 think we're either going to get Nolan. 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:12.720 Smith or Broderick Jones right there at fourteen. 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:15.640 And who do you guys think we would rather. 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:16.080 Have right there? 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:17.200 To me, I think it might be. 1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:21.080 Yeah, like two good players. I mean, I don't really 1:00:21.080 --> 1:00:23.600 think you could go wrong with either. I wouldn't be 1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:24.520 upset with either guy. 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:26.720 This is what we did off the top of the show. Yeah, right, 1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:28.920 you got to get the tier one player. They're both 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:32.200 tier one players. But so then you go to position. 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:34.240 Tackle is a bigger need than edge. I just think 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:34.440 it is. 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:34.720 Now. 1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:37.400 Yeah, I think they might be. I think they're gonna 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:38.959 have Nolan Smith ahead of Broderick Jones. 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:41.240 I mean, I have Nolan Smith ahead of Broderick Jones 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:43.640 on mine. I think the one thing that's a little 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:46.720 bit misunderstood about Broderick Jones is that this is not 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:50.160 a ready made day one We are going to play 1:00:50.200 --> 1:00:52.360 him at left tackle, and I think he is and 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:54.960 not touch it. I'm not saying that he can't play 1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:57.520 as a rookie. I think he will play as a rookie. 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:01.680 I'm saying that I don't think that he is this flawless, 1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:03.520 like We're not gonna have to worry about that position. 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.240 For ten years type of guy's he's somebody that has 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:09.479 some developing developing to do. He only played nineteen games 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:13.240 at Georgia. His pass sets in particular, run blocking wise, 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:16.040 I'm not concerned about him at all. His pass protection, 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:19.680 he gets a little bit off balance, a little bit forward, leaner. 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:24.000 His hand technique needs that refinement, right, He's not a 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:26.760 master of the arts quite yet, and I think that 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:30.120 somebody like Adrian Klem, maybe even Joe Kim could like 1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:32.160 help him with the dan fighting and get him there. 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:34.320 But he gets a little bit off balance. And there's 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:37.320 some bad film of him pass protecting, especially against guys 1:01:37.360 --> 1:01:40.040 that are a better rushers, right, Guys that he went 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:42.600 up against in some of the playoff games and some 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:44.520 of the big games that they played down the stretch 1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:47.120 for Georgia. Some of those guys that we talk about 1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:48.880 as you know, edge guys in this class that he 1:01:48.920 --> 1:01:51.840 played against got him a bunch of times. 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:54.680 But I think the funny thing is like he's the 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:57.800 athletic profiles that of a pass blocker right more than 1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:00.920 so I think the better rid there right now. But 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:03.160 he looks like he should be a better passbocker if 1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:04.360 you just look at the measureables you. 1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:06.600 Will eventually be The one thing that I think really 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:10.480 makes me feel good about him long term. He's got 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:12.880 great body control, which means that I think that he 1:02:12.960 --> 1:02:15.760 can he can get his balance and his posture correct 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:19.120 right and the other he can recover. And he's extremely long. Yeah, 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:22.000 so he's got long arms, he carries his weight well. 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:24.720 He has all of the physical abilities to be able 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:27.040 to develop as a pass protector. He's just not there yet. 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:30.600 Blue chip prospect, I think so because of the upside. Yeah, 1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:33.600 I don't know if right this very second he's going 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:35.000 to hit it like. I don't think he's going to 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:37.200 be one of those guys day one where we're talking 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.720 about him being a lead elite. But I think a 1:02:39.760 --> 1:02:42.160 little bit like Tristan Wharfs, like two or three years 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:43.760 down the line, we're gonna be like, this is one 1:02:43.800 --> 1:02:44.720 of the best tackles in the lake. 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:48.000 I just go back to it again. They're both very good, 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:50.960 but they need to tackle more than they need an 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:53.520 edge rusher. And at that point it's close enough that 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:54.800 you should have that conversation. 1:02:54.880 --> 1:02:56.920 Yeah, I'm fast. I wouldn't be upset with by where 1:02:57.040 --> 1:02:59.040 Rodrick Jones goes because I think that there is some 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:02.720 conversations out there or on the league that the league 1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:04.960 might not be as high on Broderick Jones as the 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:08.040 media and some media consensus boards i've seen have have 1:03:08.200 --> 1:03:10.840 him at in the teens at like eighteen or like 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:14.520 fifteen eighteen range. Yeah, you know, he's not somebody that 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:17.480 is locked into the top ten by any means. I 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:20.560 think Paris Johnson and the Cardinals has become the worst 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:22.840 kept secret in the league. That seems like that's going 1:03:22.920 --> 1:03:25.480 to potentially happen. And then I look at a guy 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:29.040 like Skoronski who might not be a tackle, but I 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:32.760 think a team like I look at Chicago at nine, yeah, 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:35.520 and it okay, he might not be a tackle, but 1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:37.800 he makes the whole line better, right, Like he's a 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:41.160 Quentin Nelson type of prospect that, yeah he's a guard, 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:43.760 but he's such a good guard that the whole line 1:03:43.840 --> 1:03:46.680 is easier. You know, their jobs are all easier because 1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:49.480 of Skaransky. So I think that they could still look 1:03:49.480 --> 1:03:51.800 at that and see it's enough value add at the 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:55.560 offensive line position to take a guy like Skoronsky over 1:03:55.640 --> 1:03:57.840 Broderick Jones. So it's interesting to see her. But I 1:03:57.920 --> 1:04:00.720 love Nolan Smith too. I'd be happy to make all 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:04.040 right over unders. We're gonna do some draft over unders, Alex. 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:06.080 You can take us this part of it away. 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:09.200 Yeah, so I it's not so much over unders. I 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:12.320 kind of just wrote this this week. I decided to 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:15.640 do some first round history draft research and we'll see 1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:18.080 if Evan can nail this. And we're gonna get an 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:19.800 idea of what a good class or a bad class 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:21.320 really means. Right, if we say it's a good year 1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:22.760 for a position, bad year for a position in the 1:04:22.800 --> 1:04:25.960 first round, how much does that generally play out? So 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:27.920 basically we're gonna do I'm gonna give you the position. 1:04:28.400 --> 1:04:30.360 And so this is going back to two thousand and two, 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:33.560 So this is the thirty two team era, right, some 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:35.680 of these the records might be different. You go for 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:39.200 the back the most players taken in each position in 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:42.600 the first round in that era in a given year. So, 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:44.720 for instance, start with quarterbacks. Do we think the most 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:47.800 quarterbacks ever take or not ever? The most quarterbacks taken 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:50.400 the first round since two thousand and two. 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:51.880 I'm gonna go with six. 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:54.000 It's five. It's been done twice. 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:56.400 I thought it twenty one was five. 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.840 Twenty one was five, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:03.440 Dustin Fields, Mac Jones. It was also done in twenty 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:09.240 eighteen Baker, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson. 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:13.920 Wow, so dose does classes have some whiffs and some 1:05:14.320 --> 1:05:15.479 really really big hits. 1:05:15.520 --> 1:05:18.280 So quarterbacks maybe not quarterbacks its own thing. Maybe it's 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:19.880 not a good way to be like, oh, we say, 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:21.160 you know, we said it was a strong class, and 1:05:21.160 --> 1:05:23.320 it was. And then I'll also, I guess we'll we'll 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:25.320 end each position like this, just have some fun. Does 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:26.960 that record get broken this year? Yes? 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:27.240 Or no? 1:05:27.320 --> 1:05:27.920 Tied or broken? 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.040 It's got a it's got a chance to be tied. 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:31.800 I think it does. Two. 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:33.960 I think it's a chance because of Hooker. Yeah, so 1:05:34.040 --> 1:05:37.160 I'm gonna say tied. Now my question back to you, Yeah, 1:05:37.440 --> 1:05:40.560 who's the second quarter I think we can all Sharpie 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:43.840 and Bryce Young to the Carolina Panthers. Who's the second 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:45.080 quarterback taken in this draft? 1:05:46.240 --> 1:05:50.000 I still think it's c J. Strout. I do it's 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:53.000 gonna be Will Levis, but I still think it's c J. Stroud. 1:05:53.360 --> 1:05:55.440 So well, it's it's funny you bring that up because 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:57.320 if you look at you know the history of these 1:05:57.880 --> 1:06:00.200 and there's been this thing about the second pick, right 1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:03.680 Sam Darnold, Zach Wilson, that the group you want to 1:06:03.720 --> 1:06:03.880 be in. 1:06:05.960 --> 1:06:07.640 And I gotta be honest with you, I think that 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:11.320 the Houston Texans are thinking that exact thing right now. 1:06:12.000 --> 1:06:14.880 Is I think they really I think they also were 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:16.160 really trying to get Bryce Young. 1:06:16.400 --> 1:06:17.600 Yeah, I think so too. 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:21.440 Adam Schefter had I think the Bears or the Panthers 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:24.440 GM on a podcast and he said that the Texans 1:06:24.520 --> 1:06:27.800 were in on the number one pick for sure once 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:29.480 they didn't get Bryce Young. I think they looked at 1:06:29.520 --> 1:06:30.960 it and said, we want Zach Wilson. 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:32.680 Like not that, I guess. 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:36.160 I just think, like thet the hottest trend in NFL 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:40.000 team building right now is get a young quarterback and 1:06:40.080 --> 1:06:42.240 then get one of his college receivers to help him 1:06:42.240 --> 1:06:42.960 make the adjustment. 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:45.440 The Texans have that on a platter. 1:06:45.600 --> 1:06:45.800 They do. 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:48.640 Maybe they don't believe in it, but it's almost like, 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:51.600 just do it. I don't think anybody would fault them 1:06:51.640 --> 1:06:54.640 if it didn't work, right, like we fault the Jets 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.440 for Zach Wilson because he wasn't the pick. We all 1:06:57.560 --> 1:06:59.760 knew he wasn't the second best quarterback in that track. 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:02.880 I think if they take CJ. Stroud second and the 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:07.120 right at JSN later on, Yeah, and he fails, that's 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:09.480 more about c J. Stroud than the Texans, isn't it. 1:07:09.800 --> 1:07:13.880 Yeah? Right, well no, no, the Texans are a dumpster fire. 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:14.800 So yeah, who knows? 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:15.120 All right? 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:16.200 All right, running back? 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:20.840 Oh so this is since two thousand and two, which 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:22.600 is that we're not going back to the days right 1:07:22.960 --> 1:07:27.240 seventeen running in the first Uh, I'm gonna go three. 1:07:27.640 --> 1:07:31.200 It's five, wow five. In two thousand and eight, Okay, 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:34.920 So NFL team saw the Patriots record breaking offense and said, 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:35.160 you know what. 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:37.959 We need running running backs? Milk the clock baby. 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:42.840 Darren McFadden fourth overall. Jonathan Stewart thirteenth, Felix Jones, Rashad 1:07:43.200 --> 1:07:46.400 So twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, Felix Jones, the Cowboys, 1:07:46.680 --> 1:07:49.240 Rashad Men in Hall of the Broncos, Chris Johnson and 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:49.760 the Titans. 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:53.320 Wow. So Chris Johnson is really the only like, really 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:56.640 good player. No, Jonathan Stewart was pretty good player, that's fair. 1:07:56.680 --> 1:07:58.960 But he was there with that that two headed moss. 1:07:59.120 --> 1:08:02.120 Yeah, yeah, McFadden was pretty good. He got hurt. 1:08:03.000 --> 1:08:04.520 He was overdrafted of that group. 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:08.400 Felix Jones, Rashd Mendenhall, Chris Johnson. It's a it's a 1:08:08.440 --> 1:08:10.720 bit of a whiff. Does it get broken this year out? 1:08:11.240 --> 1:08:13.280 Not even close. But there's gonna be two running backs. 1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:14.880 You think there's gonna be two, So all right, that 1:08:14.960 --> 1:08:17.240 was gonna be my follow up win or two. But hypothetically, 1:08:17.240 --> 1:08:18.880 if we were to break that record, just going off 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:22.200 the big board, Zach Charbonay, Devin A chain Ty J 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:24.080 Spears are going in the first round to tie it, 1:08:24.400 --> 1:08:26.840 to break it. You're getting Roshawn Johnson in the first round. 1:08:27.080 --> 1:08:29.320 Do you think Jami or Gibbs goes ahead of Bijon 1:08:30.680 --> 1:08:32.439 Because I do think there's gonna be some teams that 1:08:32.560 --> 1:08:33.080 have it that way. 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:38.479 I think Gibbs is better, but I think the teams 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:41.560 that love Beijeon really love Beijeon like they're gonna go 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:43.320 up and get him. So I still have Gibbs as 1:08:43.360 --> 1:08:44.200 my RB one though I do. 1:08:44.960 --> 1:08:48.240 I love the I actually really love the Eagles in Bjeon. 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:50.800 That's just such a premium, like we don't actually need 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:52.559 it over the Eagles and we have no one. 1:08:52.600 --> 1:08:53.719 That's what you do when you're in that spot. 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:55.240 That's what you do, Michelle. 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:58.800 That's why I had them taking Josh Down's thirtieth overall 1:08:58.800 --> 1:08:59.920 in one of my mock drafts. Same thing. 1:09:00.040 --> 1:09:04.640 They've been sniffing around JSN like kidding me playing then 1:09:04.680 --> 1:09:05.120 and aj BRA. 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:08.160 That's a complete group, all right. So we talked before 1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:10.320 about how the last couple of years wide receiver they're 1:09:10.320 --> 1:09:12.519 all getting pushed up and up the board. It's the 1:09:12.560 --> 1:09:16.160 most wide receivers taken in the first round six seven. 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:17.719 You want to guess the year. 1:09:20.280 --> 1:09:20.840 There's recent. 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:25.840 I'll give you an over under twenty fifteen. I gotta 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:29.679 go under, so like since twenty fifteen or before twenty 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:32.840 five since twenty fifteen. It was two thousand and four. 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:39.120 What Larry Fitzgerald third, Roy Williams seventh, Reggie Williams ninth, 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:43.840 the Detroit Lions, Lee Evans thirteenth, Michael Clayton fifteenth, Michael 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:47.000 Jenkins twenty nine for Sean Woods thirty first. 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:51.000 That is a rough, rough run. Besides, it starts pretty good. 1:09:51.520 --> 1:09:53.840 So well, it's funny because I actually did some research 1:09:53.880 --> 1:09:56.040 for this that year and granted the draft has covered 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:58.439 totally different now than it was then. People were all 1:09:58.479 --> 1:10:00.640 hot and bothered about that class, talking about it being 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:02.400 one of the greatest wide receiver class of all time? 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:04.400 Was it? 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:06.439 I don't know, I don't have the second round or 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:09.080 whatever in front of me, but that, uh, that was 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:12.479 not the greatest. No, it's not. So six has been 1:10:12.560 --> 1:10:13.559 done like a handful of time. 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:17.640 Right. But so the Chase class that Chase was that 1:10:17.720 --> 1:10:18.160 twenty one. 1:10:19.360 --> 1:10:21.400 So I remember off the toime I had twenty twenty 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:23.760 was five, twenty twenty one was six, and then last 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:24.280 year was five. 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:27.639 So I think twenty twenty one, right, was the Chase 1:10:27.640 --> 1:10:29.960 class that was six. I think that class has a 1:10:30.040 --> 1:10:31.760 chance to go down as one of the best. 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:33.640 So they were. They were one shy and I don't know, 1:10:33.720 --> 1:10:35.960 maybe a receiver went to the receiver because CD was 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:36.200 in that. 1:10:36.280 --> 1:10:39.080 Class, right, Yeah, and Justin Jefferson was in that class. 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:41.400 No, Jefferson Chase weren't the same class. Oh they were, 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:43.280 you're right, yeah, because Chase sat out the year. 1:10:43.360 --> 1:10:50.280 Yeah. Yeah, it was Chase Wattle, DeVante Smith, ceed Lamb. 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:54.080 No, Jefferson wasn't in that class this year before. Yeah, 1:10:54.120 --> 1:11:01.519 So it's it's Chase Wattle, Smith, Cadarius Tony Rashad Bateman. 1:11:02.600 --> 1:11:05.280 So that you're five, I combined twenty twenty and twenty. 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:08.479 Which would be the class, and then Elijah Moore went 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:12.000 thirty fourth, so it almost had it. That is COVID seven. 1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:14.360 Uh does it top tire break this year? 1:11:15.560 --> 1:11:15.600 No? 1:11:15.800 --> 1:11:15.840 No? 1:11:16.040 --> 1:11:23.320 Yeah, not in close? Tight ends four three in two 1:11:23.439 --> 1:11:26.200 with Jeremy Shockey, Daniel Graham and Jeremy Stevens. 1:11:26.360 --> 1:11:26.840 That's not bad. 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:28.599 It's not a bad class, not bad. And in twenty 1:11:28.640 --> 1:11:31.360 seventeen with O. J. Howard, Evan Ingram and David Joku, 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:35.200 that one was worse. This is worse. Ingram's come around. 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:37.880 It's yeah, second contract type thing. 1:11:38.080 --> 1:11:42.080 Does tider broken this one? I think as a shot 1:11:42.320 --> 1:11:42.639 it does. 1:11:42.840 --> 1:11:47.640 It is four three three, So I think Mayor and 1:11:47.800 --> 1:11:52.519 Kincaid are both going in the first round. Right still, 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.160 I think the rest of those guys are top of 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:54.800 the second round. 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:56.880 Okay, so you have it coming up short. 1:11:57.080 --> 1:11:58.479 I have it coming up short, but it could I 1:11:58.520 --> 1:12:00.800 think it could tie, Like could Darte Washington or Sam 1:12:00.880 --> 1:12:03.759 Laporta one of those guys sneak in, like yeah, thirty 1:12:03.840 --> 1:12:05.080 first pick, Like maybe it. 1:12:05.120 --> 1:12:06.599 Is a good shot to tie. I don't think it breaks. 1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:08.920 It's not gonna break, but a good tie offensive tackle, 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:11.400 oh boy. And by the way, so for clarification here, 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:13.639 I'm going the position they were listed when they were drafted. 1:12:13.680 --> 1:12:15.639 So when we get into like edge and stuff, it's 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:17.559 how they were listed at the combine. Tackles and guards 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:19.000 moved around, it's when they were drafted. 1:12:19.040 --> 1:12:19.720 I'm gonna say eight. 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:23.960 It is eight. So two thousand and eight got on 1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:25.559 and it was two thousand and eight. It was same 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.040 year as the running backs the O seven Patriots. Then 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:31.240 running backs in linemen. Running backs in linemen Jake Long, 1:12:31.360 --> 1:12:35.519 Ryan Clady, Chris Williams, Brandon Albert, Gausder, Churlis. 1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:37.800 Oh yeah, big, big time bust. 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:41.160 Jeff OTAs, Sam Baker, Dwayne Brown. 1:12:41.320 --> 1:12:43.920 Oh dang, they had some busts in that class. Yep, 1:12:44.560 --> 1:12:48.000 big time. You've kind of seen a theme here, yeah, uh, 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:53.840 tire break this year, Paris Johnson, Broder Jones, what do 1:12:53.880 --> 1:12:55.759 we count Are we counting Scaransky as a tackle? 1:12:56.160 --> 1:12:58.679 He was so he's listed to the Combine as a tackle. 1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:00.479 That's the that's the right your I U. 1:13:00.960 --> 1:13:02.800 Yeah, Darnel Wright. I think it's gonna go in the 1:13:02.880 --> 1:13:05.360 first Yeah. I think Anton Harrison has a chance to 1:13:05.400 --> 1:13:08.400 go in the five. Even if you want to put 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:10.880 Dawan Jones in there. Right now, it's six, you still 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:12.559 need two tackles just to tie yea. 1:13:13.080 --> 1:13:15.600 So all right? Interior offensive lineman. 1:13:15.640 --> 1:13:20.080 Oh my god, my favorite position four? 1:13:20.640 --> 1:13:23.920 It is four. It's happened twice. I bet you think 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:26.400 this is back with the running backs, right. One was 1:13:26.439 --> 1:13:28.520 in twenty thirteen Jonathan Cooper. 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:32.599 Chanyle Long, Travis Frederick and the other one twenty twenty two, 1:13:33.120 --> 1:13:37.679 Key Kenyan Green, Zion Johnson, Tyler Linderbaum. And to tie 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:40.879 the record with the twenty ninth overall pick was Col Strange. 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:42.880 How did that work out? 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:44.519 Do any. 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:45.840 So? 1:13:46.000 --> 1:13:48.720 Technically the guard record was in twenty thirteen, because there's 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:52.280 a center mixed in there. Do any interior offensive linean 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:53.240 go in the first round this year? 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:56.639 Yeah? I think so. I think Osias Torrence from Florida 1:13:56.680 --> 1:13:59.919 has a really good chance. I think Avila from TSU 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:04.400 has a really good chance. I wouldn't I wouldn't roll 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:06.840 out a center like this is a good center class. Yeah, 1:14:06.920 --> 1:14:09.200 So the Giants don't have a center on their roster 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:12.519 right now, like period period, So they might take a 1:14:12.640 --> 1:14:16.000 sentence like Michael Schmidz or John Michael John Michael Schmidz. 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:18.800 Yeah, and Whippler from Ohio State. 1:14:19.080 --> 1:14:21.040 Yeah, Timman's good too, Wisconsin. 1:14:21.120 --> 1:14:27.080 All right, defensive tackles, uh six? It is six? You 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:28.639 know they are? You know they're all. 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:32.040 Oh, I think I might know this is recent. I 1:14:32.080 --> 1:14:34.400 think I might know the class more than who's all right? 1:14:34.439 --> 1:14:35.919 Give me give me names. I'd be more impressive. 1:14:36.680 --> 1:14:37.680 I don't know if I know it. 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:39.679 Give me a name that you think is in the class. 1:14:39.720 --> 1:14:40.439 Do you know Atkins? 1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:42.960 No, not that recent, than that much more recent? Okay, 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:49.000 twenty sixteen nineteen Quentin Williams, at Oliver, Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence, 1:14:49.080 --> 1:14:50.519 Jeffrey Simmons, Jerry Tillery. 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:51.679 Oh, that's a good class. 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:52.479 That's a good class. 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:54.920 Hillary is really the only guy that hasn't like, really 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:55.680 hit out of that. 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:58.679 And he's still like a serviceable player. It is funny 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:00.680 that Jeffrey Simmons when his lazy though he's probably the 1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:03.320 best player nineteenth. Not only that and only six five 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:06.519 in the top twenty. Yeah, God, Jeffrey Simmons went nineteenth. 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:07.640 Doesn't get broken this year? 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:09.200 I don't think. I think Jaalen Carter might be the 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:09.680 only one. 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:12.120 College Cancy might sneak in there. 1:15:12.200 --> 1:15:13.559 Yeah. I don't even know what to call him. 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:16.559 He's he's Brian Breze. Could get in there too, maybe, 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:17.040 but you're. 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:19.080 If you're talking, Yeah, he's like a defensive end. 1:15:19.120 --> 1:15:24.280 All right. Edge rushers nine eight, So this is tied 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:27.519 with tackle for the most of a position ever twenty seventeen. 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:31.679 Solomon Thomas Asan Reddick, Derek Barnett, Jonathan Allen, Charles Harris, 1:15:31.800 --> 1:15:33.880 Tac McKinley, Taco Charlton. 1:15:33.640 --> 1:15:36.360 T J. Watt not great besides t J. Watt. 1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:40.960 Yeah, well, uh oh yeah, you're right now. Jonathan Allen's 1:15:40.960 --> 1:15:41.360 pretty good. 1:15:42.320 --> 1:15:45.439 The other yeah, oh yeah. I think of him more 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:46.440 as a defense. 1:15:46.160 --> 1:15:47.880 I do too. I guess he tested as an edge 1:15:47.920 --> 1:15:50.320 I was kind of in robot doing this. Yeah, okay, 1:15:50.479 --> 1:15:53.240 all right, this year we're gonna see eight edge guys. 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:56.120 You keep talking about this edge class E possible, all right, 1:15:56.240 --> 1:16:02.280 So Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Yeah, Miles Nolan Smith, Lucas 1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:04.519 van Ness. You gotta find three more to tie it. 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:05.719 Keon White. 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:08.519 Kean White I think could sneak in. 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:14.000 Okay, uh Uzoma from Kansas State at a bar a 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:19.559 Will McDonald, Will McDonald I think could get in, all right, 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:20.920 So that's seven. So you're one short. 1:16:22.520 --> 1:16:25.479 I don't think. I don't think Haller, Fosky or any 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:27.880 of those guys gonna So I'm gonna say one. It's 1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:30.240 gonna be one or two short, but it's gonna. 1:16:30.040 --> 1:16:33.559 Push it it is. Yeah. The linebacker one's stupid. I'll 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:36.639 just tell you it's five. But like DeMarcus Ware counted 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:39.880 as a linebacker, ies, he's an edge guy, right, But 1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:43.800 that's why edge was created. Right, It's imperfect. It was 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:45.360 two thousand and five and two thousand and nine, and 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:47.479 there's not gonna be any in the first round this year. Okay, 1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:51.800 So here's the here's the really interesting in cornerbacks, I'm 1:16:51.840 --> 1:16:54.519 gonna go with six. It is six. It was in 1:16:54.600 --> 1:16:59.000 twenty twenty. Yeah, this class didn't exactly pan out. A 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:00.720 Kuda got traded for fifth round pick. 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:01.200 Yeah. 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:04.759 CJ. Henderson got traded for backup tight end. AJ Terrell 1:17:04.880 --> 1:17:08.559 isn't all pro, and Damon Arnette and Jeff Gladney were 1:17:08.600 --> 1:17:12.160 cut for legal reasons. And uh Noah I in Miami 1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:13.320 has been a healthy. 1:17:13.120 --> 1:17:17.560 Scratch for the last two years. Uh. I think a 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:21.639 Kudah just in general, is a really good like lesson 1:17:21.720 --> 1:17:24.120 that we actually don't know anything about the draft. 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:26.400 I think a Couda's more a lesson that the Lions 1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:28.800 aren't good at player development. I'm interested to see him 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:29.479 in Atlanta this year. 1:17:29.640 --> 1:17:33.440 Yeah. I just that was he was in that category 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:34.960 of Witherspoon Gonzales. 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:37.719 I think it was a category above that can't. 1:17:37.600 --> 1:17:40.120 Miss, you know, maybe like more like a Denzel Ward 1:17:40.240 --> 1:17:44.040 just from the end, can't miss prospect, and it just 1:17:44.920 --> 1:17:46.640 fell flat on their faces with. 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:49.000 All right, so here we go this year because this 1:17:49.080 --> 1:17:51.240 one I think, I said, I think tight end might tie, 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:53.519 quarterback might tie, this one might break. 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:54.960 This is six, said six. 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:59.600 So we've got Gonzales, Witherspoon, Porter in Banks. Those are 1:17:59.640 --> 1:18:01.880 the four locks to go in the first. The rest 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:03.400 of these guys all of a shot to go in 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:06.559 the first, but not all of them will Forbes. Yeah, 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:08.280 I think Forbes going the Forbes in the first. It 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:12.800 gets us to five. Keeley Ringo no, okay, Cam Smith, yes, 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:16.679 that gets us to six. Clark Phillips, no, DJ Turner. 1:18:17.840 --> 1:18:20.479 Maybe Pellis Arrow said he's kind of like a sneaky 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:21.200 first round. 1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:24.200 With the combines. So basically the guys we think are locks, 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:26.679 then all you need is Clark Phillips, DJ Turner, Keilley 1:18:26.760 --> 1:18:28.320 Ringo will go in the first and so I think. 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:30.479 Killy Ringo has too many flags with his physical you know, 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:33.320 his stiffness and things like that. Clark Phillips is like 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:33.960 five to nine. 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:36.320 But if a team really wants a slock corner. 1:18:36.720 --> 1:18:39.320 That's like that'd be like if Marcus Jones went in 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:41.679 the first round. But it's like a pack twelve plays. 1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:42.880 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:18:43.360 --> 1:18:46.719 Uh, I'm gonna say ties. 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:48.880 Okay, I'm gonna say ties. I think it's gonna break. 1:18:49.160 --> 1:18:50.880 I think teams are gonna get all hot and bothered 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:51.519 about these corners. 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:54.720 Just a great class, all right, safety whatever it is, 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:59.360 it's not breaking this year. Five four Yeah, so it 1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:03.360 was uh seven, Lauran Landry, Michael Griffin, Reggie Nelson, Brandon Merriweather. 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:07.080 And then in twenty fourteen, listen, I know it didn't 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:13.280 necessarily like hit hit, but I loved Brandon. I love 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:17.400 Brandon Merriweather. Brandon Merriweather in London is an all time 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:19.599 press con and by the way, it will never be taught. 1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:22.400 You talk about Laura in the boom, him and laurn Landry. 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:24.599 I hope they were on the same senior ball team 1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:27.200 that year, Big bangkock, big bank clock. Yeah, come on 1:19:27.800 --> 1:19:30.920 in twenty fourteen, Calvin Pryor, ha Clinton Dix, Deon Buchanan, 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:31.479 Jimmy Ward. 1:19:31.560 --> 1:19:34.840 Oh, I thought, haha, Clinton Dix was gonna be like all. 1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:39.680 Pro I did too forever. Yeah, so it doesn't break 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:41.479 this year, it's just Brian. Brian Branch might be the 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:42.920 only one that goes in the top fifty. 1:19:43.080 --> 1:19:50.439 Yeah, specialists, Oh my god, two zero, didn't s Sebastian 1:19:50.520 --> 1:19:51.959 Janakowski go in the first. 1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:55.040 Like nineteen ninety six, Sorr, he's two thousand, but still 1:19:55.600 --> 1:19:58.400 so yeah, Yeah, you thought that. You don't think in 1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:01.479 the last twenty years we would remember that kicker and 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:03.120 thunder Webb in the same round. 1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:06.240 I thought Janikowski was a little bit older than so. 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:08.960 I thought Janikowski when I first put this together, you said, two, 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:10.479 I don't know, you don't think we would. 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:13.400 Have remembered a kicker. I don't, all right, I got one, Morphy. 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:14.880 I just want to get your temptrono and we'll wrap 1:20:14.920 --> 1:20:16.680 it up. If that works for you. I said, I 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:19.680 have these these like gut call predictions. I just buy 1:20:19.800 --> 1:20:22.479 or sell. Okay, and I haven't gotten to put this 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:24.400 out yet. My take for the first round pick, I'm 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:25.880 on all these shows, when do you think of this player? 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:27.560 That player? Nobody's asked me what I think they're gonna do? 1:20:28.280 --> 1:20:31.240 What I think? Yeah, it's true. Okay, so we'll do 1:20:31.360 --> 1:20:31.759 the debut. 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:33.200 Okay, we're gonna do that. Let's go. 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:35.960 There's too much smoke around Zay Flowers to me to 1:20:36.000 --> 1:20:40.080 write off Zave Flowers. Okay, if that's all just smoke, Yeah, 1:20:40.160 --> 1:20:43.160 I think they go. Corner, So okay, corner if not 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:45.760 save Flowers. You said, nobody asked you what you're gonna do, 1:20:45.920 --> 1:20:48.960 and then you caveat it with no. That's my take. 1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:52.280 Direction. My take is corner the player. If there's corner. 1:20:52.400 --> 1:20:55.920 If not save Flowers, Alex Barth are betting your bank 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:56.960 savings on who. 1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:59.920 Is Banks Deonta Banks? But corner, okay, corner, if not 1:21:00.160 --> 1:21:04.200 say Flowers by or sell? Now what you would do? 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:04.880 What you think they'll do? 1:21:05.920 --> 1:21:09.400 That's my I guess I'll play the odds and I'll 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:12.240 say sell. Okay, because there's just too many other players still, 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:14.920 you know, it's it's really focused. 1:21:15.920 --> 1:21:18.519 Multiple offensive tackles drafted in the top one. 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:20.320 Fifty by the Patriots. 1:21:20.400 --> 1:21:23.639 Yeah, these are like Patriots specific predictions. Bye bye. Yeah. 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:25.840 But I think that they will draft somebody like a 1:21:25.920 --> 1:21:28.240 Tyler Steam that might break card or tackle over in 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:30.479 the league. But I think that they're gonna that counts. Yeah. 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:34.240 Uh, edge and top one hundred. We've discussed this. Yeah, 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:36.120 edge and top fifty. 1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:41.800 I think it's it's tough because I think it's either 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:44.320 going to be it's gonna be way earlier than we 1:21:44.400 --> 1:21:47.200 all expect, or it's gonna be like right where we expect. 1:21:47.240 --> 1:21:50.400 And if it is right where, then it's not top fifty. 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:50.960 Yeah. 1:21:51.160 --> 1:21:54.599 Like I you know, I said by on top one hundred, 1:21:55.080 --> 1:21:57.000 I still think that there's a chance that they take 1:21:57.040 --> 1:21:59.000 a guy like Tyres Wheat in the fourth round, you know, 1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:00.800 just like one of their type of guys that they 1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:03.760 worked with at the Shrine Bowl. I'm gonna say, but 1:22:04.280 --> 1:22:08.080 sell on top fifty, I think we're I've kind of 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:10.439 jazzed up just because I love this edge class and 1:22:10.520 --> 1:22:13.280 if a guy like Tyree Wilson slips or even if 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:15.479 a Nolan Smith, if they if they can convince themselves 1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:18.280 into it. I like the pick, but I think that 1:22:18.400 --> 1:22:20.760 it's gonna end up being something in the fourth round. 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:22.880 All Right, we already talked about the tight end one. 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:24.360 I think they're gonna take a tight end later than 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:25.920 we expect, and it's gonna be somebody we haven't been 1:22:25.960 --> 1:22:28.559 talking about. Okay, these are the so then I did. 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:30.519 These are the three positions I think they're gonna take 1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:32.760 higher than we're all talking about. Okay, get ready to 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:38.000 roll your eyes. Quarterback, higher, higher than we expect quarterback. 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:41.920 Okay. So the expectation right now is like those one 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:44.160 eighty picks. I think they're gonna take quarterback and fourth 1:22:44.240 --> 1:22:46.559 round like they always do. I think that they might 1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:48.120 take dtr in the fourth Yeah. 1:22:48.600 --> 1:22:50.599 Running back, and they're gonna take a running back. 1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:50.880 Same thing. 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:52.120 I think you're gona take a running back in the 1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:52.559 fourth round. 1:22:52.560 --> 1:22:52.680 There. 1:22:52.920 --> 1:22:56.639 Fourth rounds fine, but by yourself that they're for running. 1:22:56.840 --> 1:23:00.640 I'm buying it. But the fourth round for running is 1:23:00.760 --> 1:23:02.840 exactly when you should take a running Okay, So let 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:05.160 me put it this way, hundred percent, like where I 1:23:05.240 --> 1:23:07.439 know they took Damien Harris in the third round, but 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:10.719 Damien Harris in the third, Remondre in the fourth, Pierre 1:23:10.800 --> 1:23:11.679 Strong in the fourth. 1:23:11.800 --> 1:23:15.080 Yeah. Perfect, So exactly they have one oh seven one seventeen, 1:23:15.160 --> 1:23:16.600 one thirty five and then it jumps like one to 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:17.000 eighty one. 1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:17.320 Yeah. 1:23:17.439 --> 1:23:20.599 I'm saying by the end of pick one thirty five, 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:23.000 they will have taken a running back by yourself, uh, 1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:26.920 defensive lineman, defensive tackle, I think higher and expected, you 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:29.160 think higher than expect? Yeah, I think that they they 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.680 go for one of these top tier defensive tackles. I'm 1:23:31.720 --> 1:23:33.720 gonna sell that, Sell that, okay, Yeah, and then the 1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:36.120 ones I think lower and expected offensive tackle. 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:38.800 I'm gonna I'm gonna buy that. 1:23:39.080 --> 1:23:40.760 Okay. I think they could wait till seventy six. 1:23:40.880 --> 1:23:43.040 I like that third fourth round double dip like they 1:23:43.080 --> 1:23:48.280 did with the corners last year. Safety higher lower lower, Yeah. Yeah, okay, 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:51.120 tight end all right, we're already kind of discuss that. 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:55.200 And if they don't take Zay Flowers wide receiver, oh, 1:23:56.720 --> 1:23:59.000 take za Flowers are taking a wide receiver until the 1:23:59.040 --> 1:23:59.519 sixth round. 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:02.120 Yep. That's that's what I've been trying to tell you people. 1:24:02.200 --> 1:24:06.040 Okay, yeah, if they do that, can it be Tomorrio 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:08.000 Douglas because at least it's a fun six. 1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:10.400 You need to Mario Douglas or Justin Shorter to whatever 1:24:10.479 --> 1:24:11.400 kind of receiver they want. 1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:15.680 So your your mortgage, your your life savings is on 1:24:15.800 --> 1:24:16.599 Deontay Banks. 1:24:16.840 --> 1:24:19.120 No, but that's the guy I think is most likely. 1:24:19.479 --> 1:24:21.560 I just said, what's what's your life savings on it? 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:23.040 You have to put your life saving break down? 1:24:23.720 --> 1:24:25.479 No, you can't say that. I think you're a trade 1:24:25.520 --> 1:24:28.040 down name. I feel more confident that they're going to 1:24:28.120 --> 1:24:30.559 take a trade down the name play all right. 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:34.639 Name a player that is you're most likely to take. 1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:37.439 Take it with their first pick in the draft. Life 1:24:37.479 --> 1:24:39.559 savings is on it, It's all right. 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:42.320 I think it's Deontay Banks. But I'm like ten percent 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:44.160 sure of that. But that's more percent sure than I 1:24:44.240 --> 1:24:45.200 am of any other player. 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:46.920 We're all ten percent sure of any of this. 1:24:47.000 --> 1:24:48.320 All right, Deontay Banks. 1:24:48.400 --> 1:24:51.360 If I had to put my life savings on it, 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:53.360 which is not much, let me tell you. But if 1:24:53.360 --> 1:24:58.760 I had to put my life savings on it, I'm 1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:02.599 gonna say, Zay, Yeah, I mean I I life savings 1:25:02.640 --> 1:25:07.519 on it. There's just there's just enough smoke. Yeah, they 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:10.120 worked with him at the Shrine Bowl. I think they 1:25:10.320 --> 1:25:12.640 wanted to work with him at the Shrine Bowl. They 1:25:12.760 --> 1:25:15.480 brought him in for the extended visit with Bill O'Brien 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:18.439 that I don't know if there's a single first round 1:25:18.560 --> 1:25:22.599 caliber player that they know more about right than Zay Flowers. 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:25.280 So they have a better background on than Zay Flowers. 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.200 There's just nobody else at the Shrine Bowl that is 1:25:28.320 --> 1:25:31.960 worthy of a really probably a top fifty pick quite frankly, 1:25:32.360 --> 1:25:37.679 sorry Eric, but I I just feel like there's there's 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:39.560 nobody else that they have done as much homework on 1:25:39.920 --> 1:25:42.240 in the top of the draft. If I had to 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:44.599 take Zay Flowers the field, I'm definitely taking the field. 1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:47.600 But oh yeah, I had to take one player, I 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:48.160 think it's. 1:25:48.280 --> 1:25:50.559 I was between Banks and Flowers. So now I'm glad 1:25:50.560 --> 1:25:53.120 I said Banks, as we there you go, who would 1:25:53.120 --> 1:25:54.560 you take? Let's close it out like this, because we 1:25:54.640 --> 1:25:56.880 do the whole thing about my whole thing right about. 1:25:56.960 --> 1:25:59.400 Nobody cares what we would do. It's what they're gonna do. 1:25:59.400 --> 1:26:01.479 Who would you take? Forget their trends, they forget their 1:26:01.720 --> 1:26:04.880 say Flowers, Yeah, I think i'd take what I think 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:07.240 I'd still take one of the corners. I I think 1:26:07.280 --> 1:26:10.599 the corners are they I'm sick of watching them get 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:13.880 get beat by Stefan Diggs. I want a true shutdown corner. 1:26:14.000 --> 1:26:16.640 That's very fair, and I think there's definitely something to 1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:19.360 be said for that. We all understand what it's deefon Gilmour, 1:26:19.439 --> 1:26:21.479 what a Darrell Reeve is a ty lock? And do 1:26:21.600 --> 1:26:22.240 for their defense? 1:26:22.680 --> 1:26:25.519 I well, wait, is Paris? Are we considering Paris Johnson? 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:26.240 No shot on the board? 1:26:26.760 --> 1:26:28.200 I think the Cardinals are taking him somewhere. 1:26:28.200 --> 1:26:30.800 Okay, so three eight, I would say Paris Johnson if 1:26:30.840 --> 1:26:32.479 he was there. I really like Paris Johnson. 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:32.680 I do. 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:36.040 I'm sprinting, I have to wrap. Yeah, But I think 1:26:36.080 --> 1:26:39.320 the Cardinals are trapped at three. I kind of feel 1:26:39.360 --> 1:26:41.040 that way too in the last couple of days, started 1:26:41.040 --> 1:26:41.400 to feel that. 1:26:41.400 --> 1:26:43.640 Way because nobody is dying to trade up for one 1:26:43.680 --> 1:26:46.280 of these quarterbacks right now. And I think they're trapped 1:26:46.280 --> 1:26:48.160 at three, and I think they end up just taking 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:49.200 Paris Johnson at three. 1:26:50.520 --> 1:26:54.320 Will Anderson so good, and it's it's john and Gann 1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:57.920 is a defensive coach. I know you don't have a 1:26:58.040 --> 1:27:00.280 quarterback this year to protect anyway, right Kyler. I'm not 1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:01.519 complain it's hurt. 1:27:01.960 --> 1:27:05.360 How long are we giving Jonathan Cannon, Well. 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:07.559 He's got to pick, assuming he's gonna have the Ye. 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:12.160 It's like Kevin kneeling and in Happy Gilmore. Remember it's 1:27:12.200 --> 1:27:19.920 like focus clarity. Hey, whatever, it's bad, it's so bad 1:27:20.960 --> 1:27:23.720 it teams that you. Will Anderson should be the first 1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:26.519 non quarterback off the board. Yeah, Willy Anderson should be. 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:29.080 And by the way, Christian Gonzales should be the second 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:30.080 defensive player taken. 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:32.160 Okay over Jailing Carter. 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:33.840 Yeah, should be. 1:27:34.040 --> 1:27:37.479 Not will be is gonna take Weatherspoon first in the corner. 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:40.120 That would be hilarious to think they are get like 1:27:40.240 --> 1:27:41.559 gonzoals fall the fourteen. 1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:45.600 So this is what I'm gonna wrap it on. I've 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:48.200 workshop this with you a little bit, and I really 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:52.320 feel this way. I do not think the Patriots football 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:56.080 personnel department cares one iota about what I am about 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:59.559 to say. Okay, but I think and I'm just talking 1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:01.439 for me. I I'm not saying that I've heard this 1:28:01.640 --> 1:28:05.360 or anything like that. Strictly talking from my gut feeling 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:10.839 about things. I think that there is a general sentiment 1:28:11.800 --> 1:28:16.360 that this draft needs to create some buzz. And I'm 1:28:16.400 --> 1:28:18.400 not talking about buzz like they need to take Will 1:28:18.439 --> 1:28:21.559 Levis right, like I'm talking this draft needs to take 1:28:21.640 --> 1:28:24.879 some get some buzz going because they got the football 1:28:24.920 --> 1:28:26.040 got its draft last year. 1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:27.840 Yeah, like they got cold. 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:29.760 Strange and they got the corners that they want and 1:28:29.840 --> 1:28:32.120 they got Taekwon like they got their draft last year. 1:28:33.000 --> 1:28:35.160 This draft, to me feels a lot like the twenty 1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:40.439 one draft where whoever mister Craft walks onto the field 1:28:40.520 --> 1:28:42.840 on Friday with to present to the media and do 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:46.479 the whole you know, ceremonial jersey on the on Ngele 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:50.479 Stadium field. That has to be somebody that the fan 1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:55.120 base can go out tomorrow and buy their jersey at 1:28:55.160 --> 1:28:58.920 the Patriots pro shop. Somebody that is going to generate 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:02.240 some excitement going into training camp, like the Patriots have 1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:05.160 a wait a seton and they have this player now, 1:29:05.240 --> 1:29:06.800 like all of a sudden, we're starting to cook with 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:10.000 some gas. Right. The only two guys in this draft 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:13.559 that do that for me are JS Enters A Flowers. Now, 1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:17.280 I was surprised that a lot of people on PU 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:19.960 and some people emailed in saying that Corner does that 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:23.519 for them, that like a really good shutdown corner like 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:26.760 a Revis type, like a Gilmour type, excites them. 1:29:26.840 --> 1:29:27.400 I think it does. 1:29:27.720 --> 1:29:30.040 It's fun to watch. I think as we look at 1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:32.840 the teams these people grew up watching, it makes a 1:29:32.920 --> 1:29:33.400 lot of sense. 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:35.320 We've all seen it. 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:41.040 But I think that the as much as the Patriots 1:29:41.080 --> 1:29:42.920 picking high in the first round at fourteen, as much 1:29:42.920 --> 1:29:45.519 as it makes it feel like a trench pick, I 1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:48.040 just don't think that even if it's like a big 1:29:48.160 --> 1:29:51.800 name tackle, even if it's Broderick Jones, no one's buying 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:55.760 a Broderick Jones jersey, no offense to Broderick Jones. It's 1:29:55.760 --> 1:29:58.960 an offensive lineman. No one's gonna walk walk around unless 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:01.280 it's ten years from now and he's Matt Lte and 1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:03.439 he's going into the Patriots Hall of Fame, and you 1:30:03.560 --> 1:30:06.360 start to like the player, like it's not gonna happen overnight. 1:30:06.760 --> 1:30:08.920 I think that there has There is a little bit 1:30:09.000 --> 1:30:10.880 of a push, and again it's just a gut feeling. 1:30:11.240 --> 1:30:13.679 There is a little bit of a push to generate 1:30:13.800 --> 1:30:17.920 some buzz coming out of this weekend, just because I 1:30:18.000 --> 1:30:22.559 think that that level of excitement not only gets fans 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:24.040 in the seats and gets an interest back in the 1:30:24.040 --> 1:30:26.000 team and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I also 1:30:26.120 --> 1:30:29.759 think that that confidence in that level of excitement exudes 1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:32.479 into the room a little bit. And right now, other 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:35.880 than Bill O'Brien being back in the building, I don't 1:30:35.920 --> 1:30:38.280 know if there's something that this locker room can look 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:42.560 at and say we're getting somewhere now, like we're we 1:30:42.680 --> 1:30:46.240 could win Yere but we believe we're buying into this. 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:49.280 They need to pick that makes people buy into the 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:52.960 program again. And Matthew Judon went on NFL Network, I 1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:55.599 think it was and said Quentin Johnston, I don't think 1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:58.519 it was a mistake that he named a receiver. I'm 1:30:58.560 --> 1:31:01.400 not Quentin Johnson guy every but he knows that that's 1:31:01.760 --> 1:31:05.040 Judan's opinion, right, But I don't think it's a total 1:31:05.160 --> 1:31:07.920 mistake that he named a receiver and he mentions things 1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:11.200 like this like we need somebody that's gonna bring our 1:31:11.240 --> 1:31:13.959 offense to that next level. It's gonna bring some excitement 1:31:14.000 --> 1:31:16.639 to our offense and things like that. I don't think 1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:19.479 that that can be totally lost because football might not 1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:23.439 care about it from a position standpoint, but the general 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:26.599 I don't know that the bravado of the locker room, 1:31:26.680 --> 1:31:29.920 right like, just the general confidence in that locker room. 1:31:30.320 --> 1:31:33.360 That's a factor because I look at teams and I 1:31:33.640 --> 1:31:35.320 and I know we're really up against it, but I 1:31:35.360 --> 1:31:38.559 look at teams like the Bruins right now, that team 1:31:39.240 --> 1:31:43.280 has one hundred buy in from up and down the roster. 1:31:43.800 --> 1:31:48.160 They're there, their vibes are immaculate. It's off the charts, 1:31:48.320 --> 1:31:50.800 and that's why they're They can take Patrice Bergon out 1:31:50.800 --> 1:31:53.160 of the lineup and they're still winning, right like that. 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:56.479 That's why is because everybody is pulling the rope in 1:31:56.520 --> 1:31:58.680 the same direction, and that's where the Patriots to get. 1:31:59.040 --> 1:32:01.360 I think Ed Nelman and that twenty twenty one, we 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:05.360 saw firsthand how excited those guys were for Mac Jones, 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:08.080 right for the journey he was on as a rookie 1:32:08.520 --> 1:32:10.600 and kind of stepping in the spotlight and becoming the 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:12.680 NFL player. I'm not saying that they weren't like that 1:32:12.760 --> 1:32:14.400 with Cole Strange. I think a lot of the linemen 1:32:14.520 --> 1:32:17.880 really were. But it's it's different that just the nature 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:19.960 of the position. It's different you were a receiver. I 1:32:20.040 --> 1:32:22.320 think we saw last year how excited guys were for 1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:24.639 Taekwon Thornton right when he got back from the injury, 1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:26.280 had that game in Cleveland. I think that's kind of 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:28.840 what you're describing. Ye, a rookie can be a guy 1:32:28.840 --> 1:32:30.840 to rally around. The one thing I'll add to what 1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:33.240 you said. You kind of talked about the external element 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:37.760 of it. Won two playoff games in the last four years, 1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:40.400 haven't won one. Only one of them has been at home. 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:43.880 You're on the verge of potentially having hit the reset button. 1:32:43.880 --> 1:32:45.720 They only have I think it's thirty five players under 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:49.160 contract beyond it for twenty twenty four. Yeah, you know 1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:52.240 they got a decision looming on MAC. You've got guys 1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:56.200 core players Matthew Judon, Kyle Duggar, josh U j Ramandrie Stevenson, 1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:01.200 Mike Wenwindo, those contracts are coming up. If it doesn't 1:33:01.320 --> 1:33:05.200 go well this year, they are set up very well 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:07.800 next year to blow the whole thing up. Hit a 1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:11.160 full reset. And for the guys in this court, and 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:13.760 by the way, the coaches too. Yeah, you don't want 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:16.040 your group reset on. This is your group, that's your boys, 1:33:16.080 --> 1:33:19.320 that's who you're with, that's your room. They've got to 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:22.479 give this group a chance. This is the last chance 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:24.880 this group has to make an impression, and it's up 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:29.559 to the draft staff, the coaches, the front offs personnel 1:33:29.920 --> 1:33:34.840 to give this group every asset possible to make that 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:38.000 final argument as to why they should move forward with 1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:40.040 this core rather than hit reset. 1:33:40.200 --> 1:33:43.120 Absolutely. So that's why I I as much as I 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:48.120 don't absolutely love this receiver class either, that's why I can't. 1:33:48.680 --> 1:33:51.880 I can't rule out receiver by any means, because that's 1:33:52.040 --> 1:33:55.400 just that's the pick that brings some excitement back to 1:33:55.479 --> 1:33:58.400 the team both internally and externally, which I think is 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:02.599 more a factor for full ball obviously internally. So Alex 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:04.560 and I are we unfortunately are gonna have to go 1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:06.920 our separate ways for the actual draft itself this year, 1:34:06.960 --> 1:34:08.760 which is which is bumming me out a little bit. 1:34:08.840 --> 1:34:11.519 But we're gonna be back on Patriots Catch twenty two 1:34:11.600 --> 1:34:13.679 I think on Thursday next week at the normal time 1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:16.599 where we're going to recap the entire draft from one 1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:18.680 to round seven. We might be here for like six 1:34:18.800 --> 1:34:21.479 hours morel So just prepare yourself up for that. But 1:34:21.560 --> 1:34:24.360 it was just a taste, but that's that's what we're 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:26.960 gonna be doing. So back on Thursday, I will be 1:34:27.560 --> 1:34:32.040 on the live Draft shows this weekend Thursday, Friday, Saturday 1:34:32.080 --> 1:34:34.120 here on Patriots dot com. Alex, I'm sure you're doing 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:34.519 stuff with that. 1:34:34.680 --> 1:34:37.320 I we got to see what happens with the Celtics, 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:39.880 but at real Alex Barth on Twitter, I'll have updates there. 1:34:40.000 --> 1:34:42.639 Awesome. So we'll see you guys next week. We'll actually 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:45.040 see you. Today was just audio, but we'll see you 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:48.000 guys next week and happy Draft. Thanks for listening, everybody. 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:54.200 Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:57.320 and everywhere else you listen. Like the show, Please rate 1:34:57.400 --> 1:35:00.559 and review us. Listener comments and ratings help keep us 1:35:00.600 --> 1:35:03.640 high in the podcast rankings so new listeners can find us. 1:35:03.920 --> 1:35:07.040 Be sure to Checkpatriots dot com for more news and 1:35:07.320 --> 1:35:08.320 more podcasts.