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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barts. When I hear

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Speaker 1: people get all hot and bothered about Will Levis, what

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Speaker 1: I hear is we look at him.

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Speaker 2: He's running around. Look he's running away for the defenders.

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Speaker 2: Look how far he through the ball? Who caught it?

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Speaker 1: It's not important, Look how far the ball went.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna do this. I always love figuring out which

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Speaker 2: which snippets where al is gonna take? That was spot on.

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Speaker 1: That was obvious.

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Speaker 2: That one was obvious. And uh, we'll get to Will

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Speaker 2: Levis and Alex's favorite draft quarterback in a second.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna we're talking about Holton Aylor.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about it. What I don't want to do,

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Speaker 2: Alex Bart, Evan Lazar along with you for the next

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Speaker 2: hour and a half here on Patriots Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl week for us, Alex, That's what I call it.

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Speaker 2: This is draft week. It's super Bowl week. We were

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Speaker 2: just talking about it on Patriots Unfiltered. Something about the

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Speaker 2: draft just gets the fanboy Evan like, even more so

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Just for some reason, I just love the draft. I

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Speaker 2: love the prep work, I love the lead up to it.

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Speaker 2: I love the actual draft itself. And I'm ready to

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Speaker 2: be heard again. I am ready to be hurt again

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Speaker 2: by by what the Patriots are going to do on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. Mostly what they do on Friday and Saturday.

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Speaker 2: That's their you know, take it or leave it.

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Speaker 1: Evan famously considers the NFL Draft a thirty two pick event. Exactly,

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Speaker 1: I guess thirty one this year. Are you going to

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Speaker 1: care about the first pick in the second round?

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Speaker 2: Now? I care about the top fifty because the Patriots

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Speaker 2: have two picks inside the top fifty. I'll give you

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Speaker 2: the top fifty. Once we get past the top fifty,

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Speaker 2: we're throwing darts. I like players, you like players outside

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Speaker 2: ready to be hurt again by the Patriots on Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: And the main thing I just that's why I get

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Speaker 2: it's famous, knows my reaction to cold strange last in

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two draft is out there. It is.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's that's what gets me so fired up,

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Speaker 2: is because you and I I can speak about you,

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Speaker 2: and I we you even more so than me. Go

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Speaker 2: back into the fall with the draft, but from January on,

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Speaker 2: from the time the Patriots either win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: or eliminated from the playoffs or eliminated it, you know,

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Speaker 2: their season ends, I dive headfirst into the draft and

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Speaker 2: it's four months of prep all for three days. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of like, you know, like a wedding,

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Speaker 2: right where like you plan it for a whole year

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Speaker 2: it becomes so disappointing to me. So we're gonna discuss

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Speaker 2: you want, and what the Patriots should do at their

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Speaker 2: biggest positions of need. Now we've talked about receiver, corner,

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Speaker 2: tackle for four months. We've been talking about those positions.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just for four months. So it's funny. When

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Speaker 1: Well, there's also an old Patriots draft idiom and like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and oh god, you said that, because I think

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Speaker 2: the biggest indictment on the Patriots draft strategy of late

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Speaker 1: I don't think that philosophy works when you all.

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Speaker 2: But it all. It's a domino effect, right, because if

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Speaker 1: That is true, and look, I think it goes in

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Speaker 1: that's a great philosophy to have when you know your

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Speaker 1: the Naikil Harry pick hits, We're not talking about receivers

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Speaker 1: There even though you can in some arguments include that

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Speaker 1: But the reality is you don't see the true impact

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Speaker 1: remind us, what are the positions we're looking at?

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Speaker 2: Corner, receiver, tackle, edge.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here are those picks, edge, tackle, tackle, running back, Corner, receiver, corner, edge,

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Speaker 1: running back. They just missed on the positions that we

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That is why the draft a year ahead thing, I

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Speaker 2: Fair point. I think the biggest thing that I come

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Speaker 2: I wanted to set this up. I And look, we've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate the people reacting to that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not being super reactionary to that necessarily, but I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were a quarterback away, right.

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Speaker 2: The state of the Patriots roster right now tells me

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Speaker 2: good with it. Because they just need top end of

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Speaker 1: High floor players, guys who are gonna be that now.

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Speaker 2: They need elite, blue chip talent. So you gotta throw

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Speaker 2: in this draft. To me, this is BPA, this is

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Speaker 2: the best player available draft. In the caveats of the

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Speaker 2: four positions. Okay, okay, because I am not real. This

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Speaker 2: they did last year. They can't or to do that again.

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Speaker 1: That that is correct the caveat, that's an important caveat

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Speaker 2: Best player for the team, had four different premiums. I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But the point is, like, look, let's be honest here,

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Speaker 2: It could be. I think Jon might go ten to

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Speaker 1: They can they can do whatever. Yeah, I kind of

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Speaker 2: Is going to be I think ty Wilson's going number two.

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Speaker 1: I would just I mean, he's Will Anderson's better. I

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Speaker 1: don't care how much like Tyree. Okay to everybody saying

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Speaker 2: Take me, agreed. Finally, can you believe that there we

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Speaker 2: put on a blindfold, take the best player available for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots. I really think it's going to be Vjon

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Speaker 2: Robinson sold No. But I'm saying if I for those

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Speaker 2: best player who has the highest Madden rating, go, it's Bjon.

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Speaker 1: That's not what I'm exactly what this.

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Speaker 2: Is that I want the player use your analogy with

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Speaker 2: the highest Madden rating at one of those four positions.

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Speaker 2: What I don't want to do, what I do absolutely

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Speaker 2: do not want to do, is I don't want to

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Speaker 2: pass on Let's just use this as an example. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to pass on Tyree Wilson to draft Darnell

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Speaker 2: need than edge because I personally feel like this team

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Speaker 2: right now, okay, just needs the blue chip, right It

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Speaker 2: just needs the talent. It doesn't necessarily need to be

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Speaker 2: at a position that they absolutely desperately need on the

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Speaker 2: I feel like this draft, more than any other draft

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Speaker 2: that I've ever covered, and we've talked about this and

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Speaker 2: gone back and forth about this a lot, this draft,

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Speaker 2: more than any other draft that I have ever covered,

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Speaker 2: is very, very razor thin at the top in terms

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Speaker 1: It's not a good class. It's not a good class.

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Speaker 2: It's a good depth class. It's not a good top

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Speaker 2: of the of the draft class.

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Speaker 1: This is this is our sixth I don't even think

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Speaker 1: it's that great of a depth class. This is our

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Speaker 1: worst class we've done.

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Speaker 2: It's one.

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Speaker 1: It's at the top in terms of depth. Look, if

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Speaker 1: you need a corner, if you need a tight end,

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Speaker 1: you're in great shape. If you need an edge, you're

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Speaker 1: in pretty good shape. If you need a tackle, as

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Speaker 1: long as you willing to spend a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: you're okay. If you think you're waiting, you're not so much. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's it. That it's a bad year to need a receiver.

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Speaker 1: It's a bad year to need a safety. It's not

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Speaker 1: a great year to need a line It's a really

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Speaker 1: bad year to need a linebacker. Yeah, not a good

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Speaker 1: year to need a quarterback. And they already said that.

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Speaker 2: We disagree on that.

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Speaker 1: I guess running back, it's fine running back class.

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Speaker 2: It's a good running back class. Yeah, because Bijon and

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Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs are RB ones in a lot of classes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like even further down, there's guys I like,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to get into that. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go back to something you said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: just take the best player from those four positions, and

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Speaker 1: you said you would rather them take Tyree Wilson than

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Speaker 1: move back and take Darnault, right, no, or.

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Speaker 2: Don't even talk about moving back, right? Just in general, Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, this is my biggest thing going into this draft.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots have In my mind, the Patriots have plenty

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Speaker 2: of B plus players. They have plenty of good players

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Speaker 2: like red I like to call them red chips, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Guys like Kyle Dugger, Josh Ucha, Ramandre Stevenson. I would

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Speaker 2: Wenu is a red chip. I think Juju has a

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Speaker 2: chance to be a red chip now that he's in

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Speaker 2: this offense and going to be more of a focal

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Speaker 2: point of the offense. They have a pretty decent amount

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Speaker 2: of red chip players. I think Judon's the only bus

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Speaker 2: that his game plan for is circled. Is a game

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Speaker 2: wrecker that can take over a football game on his

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Speaker 2: that on offense right now because their best player on

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Speaker 2: have that guy.

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Speaker 1: That's fair, but I guess so here's my question though.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that, like I would still like to see

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Speaker 1: them positionally put a little thought positionally into what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: And Darnolt Wright is a different kind of player than

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Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson. I'll agree with you on that. But if

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Speaker 1: it's Tyree Wilson or Broderick Jones or Tyree Wilson in

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Speaker 1: Paris Johnson, sure they need to go with the tackle.

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Speaker 1: If it's Tyree Wilson or Devin Witherspoon, they need to

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Speaker 1: go with Devin Witherspoon. I they still need to There

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Speaker 1: are certain things about their team that they can get

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Speaker 2: Those tears are fair.

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Speaker 1: But like you, Mac Jones or whoever the quarterback is

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Speaker 1: needs to be protected. You're not going to win games

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Speaker 1: when your quarterback is constantly throwing with pass rushers in

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Speaker 1: whether it's Mac, whether it's Bailey Zappi, where they take somebody.

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Speaker 1: This team is going to have a young quarterback this year,

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Speaker 1: foreseeable future. You need to set that guy up to succeed.

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Speaker 1: The way you do that is you take a tackle right.

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Speaker 2: The way that they do that is you take a

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: You know, my take on the fourteenth overall pick and

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Speaker 1: helping the quarterbacks is you traded for Jerry Judy. But but

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Speaker 1: my point being, yeah, if you can't cover the best

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Speaker 1: receiver in your division right now, you can't do it.

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Speaker 1: You struggle to do it for years. You need to

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Speaker 1: get somebody who has a shot at doing that. You're

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Speaker 1: doing it in the first round of fourteen. Look if

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Speaker 1: all the blue chip corners and tackles are gone and

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Speaker 1: the one blue chip receiver's gone as JSN, then yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather I'd rather have Tyrie Wilson. Then you just

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Speaker 1: start early on the second tier. I might even trade

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Speaker 1: back because, like you said, that the strength in this

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Speaker 1: classes later on, I would love to see them come

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Speaker 2: I also don't I would if that's the if that's

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Speaker 2: the way the board falls, I still would take Tyre Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Under that, we're kind of using him as the blue chip.

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Speaker 2: Like example here, what if I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Tyriy Wilson's a blue chip prospect either, Are you sure

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Speaker 1: he is? Yes, I think he's the play straight, he's

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Speaker 1: the value blue chip. He's the value blue chip.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a chip.

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Speaker 1: I think he's right on.

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Speaker 2: The You just don't get a lot of guys that

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Speaker 2: are that long and that athletic, Like you're talking about

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Speaker 2: a guy with a ridiculous wingspan and power but also

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Speaker 2: and be a versatile. I think that he's one of

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Speaker 2: those guys. But regardless of all of that, my point

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Speaker 2: is mainly the tears right that you were sort of

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Speaker 2: getting at that. If we're starting to talk about would

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Speaker 2: I rather a Tier two tackle or a Tier one

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Speaker 2: I'm taking the Tier one age.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying there all you need to leave room

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Speaker 1: to go positionally within tier one. Sure, an edge should

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that segues into I think maybe where we

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Speaker 2: differ maybe I think, well, besides Will Evis, I think

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Speaker 2: maybe where we differed the most on this entire class

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Speaker 2: is the wide receiver position. And I don't want to

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Speaker 2: put words in your mouth, but we've talked about it

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Speaker 2: off the air, and I think you hate this wide

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Speaker 1: You know, it's okay, No, I mean, there's some fun

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Speaker 1: players in it. There's some fun players in it, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's getting a lot of benefit of the doubt,

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Speaker 1: all right. You know, like when when like Comedian, there's

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Speaker 1: laughing the whole time, right, and they're just ready to

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Speaker 1: laugh at anything. It's how comedians see it. I've been

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Speaker 1: Seinfeld's a great background show. I always have it on

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Speaker 2: Is this a stick that he does?

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Speaker 1: They talk about this philosophy in comedy. Okay, the idea

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Speaker 1: those players have been, not necessarily what they were. But

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Speaker 1: then in twenty twenty we talked about you had five

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Speaker 1: receivers go in the first round, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: what a great class that was. And then in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one you had six a record go in the

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Speaker 1: People are so ready to just assume if I see

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Speaker 1: a receiver in the NFL draft projected to go in

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Speaker 1: the top one hundred, he's going to be a superstar.

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Speaker 1: I think people are just in that mindset, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I keep doing mocks.

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Speaker 2: Orr.

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Speaker 1: I have the Patriots taking receivers kind of late, and

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Speaker 1: people say, why aren't you just taking the play making

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Speaker 1: wide receiver at forty six? The game breaking wide receiver

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Speaker 1: at forty six? Who?

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Speaker 2: Who were you talking about? That guy doesn't exist in

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Speaker 2: this draft. So I think that we do. So we

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Speaker 2: disagree slightly on that point.

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Speaker 1: You you think that, all right, I'm gonna your guy Evan,

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Speaker 1: your buddy Justin Jefferson went twenty first overall? Are you

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Speaker 1: In the drift last year? For instance? Right, uh, Sky Moore,

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Speaker 1: Alex Pierce, George Pickens, guys the Patriots wanted. Those guys

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Speaker 1: are first round picks this year. It doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 1: It's not the same class. There's a tweet from so

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Speaker 1: I think that.

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Speaker 2: This is what I disagree with just a little bit, okay,

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Speaker 2: and I I disagree with people that I respect. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a opinion on this, So maybe I'm on an island

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Speaker 2: The thing that I see with this wide receiver class

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Speaker 2: twenties or are ceedee Lamb, I think went like eighteen

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Speaker 2: this receiver class is not on that level of depth

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Speaker 2: The problem that I have is that over the last

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Speaker 2: we've had people tell me that Johan Dotson is a

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Speaker 2: first round pick. He went to the Commanders last year.

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Speaker 2: I think at like nineteen, Yes, right right, yeah, we'd

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Speaker 2: tell me Rashad Bateman to Baltimore, Hollywood Brown when he

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Speaker 2: was picked by Baltimore. Good pick by everybody in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Those are that tier of receiver. Dodson, Bateman, Hollywood. Those guys,

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Speaker 2: to me, I think Zay Flowers and Jackson Smith and

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Speaker 2: Jig but are right there with them, right there with them.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I don't I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: But those you just said, you don't think those players

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Speaker 1: are first round picks.

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Speaker 2: They are by they were drafted in the first round.

435
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Speaker 2: I would I have a do I have a first true?

436
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 2: I don't really do my point rankings by like ground,

437
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't really do it that way. But would I

438
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Speaker 2: if I translated it, would I have a first round

439
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: grade on Zay Flowers. No, I wouldn't have a first round.

440
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Speaker 1: Grade just JA said first round receiver.

441
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Speaker 2: But I would probably only have about fifteen first round grade. Okay,

442
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 2: But the point is, so there's a whole other half

443
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Speaker 2: of the round that we still have to pick for, right.

444
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Speaker 1: No, But but that's not the point. It It pushes

445
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Speaker 1: when you have guys at the top right, when.

446
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Speaker 2: You cannot tell me that Johan Dotson was worthy of

447
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: that pick last year and then tell me that Zay

448
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: Flowers isn't worthy of first round pick, that they're definitely.

449
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Speaker 1: It's not even it's not even that. Look, I would rather,

450
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Speaker 1: and it's gonna surprise you to hear this. I would

451
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: rather take Zay Flowers in the first round than any

452
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Speaker 1: of these projected Day two wide receivers outside of Marvin

453
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Speaker 1: Mims on Day two. Okay, I would because here's what happens.

454
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Speaker 1: You this draft doesn't have I just happen to have

455
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one draft up here, Jamar Chase, Jalen Wattle,

456
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Speaker 1: Toronta Smith. That group's not there, correct, So and I

457
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: think you're mistaken. Maybe my hatred for the wide receiver

458
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Speaker 1: class is how it's being talked about, because I actually

459
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Speaker 1: think the league's gonna see it sort of how I

460
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Speaker 1: describe it here. You don't have that class, but so

461
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: many people are just under or you don't have that

462
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: tier of this class. So many people are just under

463
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Speaker 1: the assumption that that's how the NFL works, that the

464
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Speaker 1: top receivers in the class or that level of player.

465
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Speaker 1: So now you have JSN, Zay Flowers, Quinton Johnson, people

466
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Speaker 1: viewing them like Jamar Chase, Jalen Wattle, Davante SI.

467
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Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, and so now then what happens.

468
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Speaker 2: But that's that's That's not what I'm saying. What I

469
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Speaker 2: am saying to you is is that if you are

470
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Speaker 2: a team like let's use the Commanders the Commanders, and

471
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Speaker 2: I know they're not going to take another receiver. I'm

472
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 2: just saying, let's use it as an example. If they

473
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Speaker 2: felt like Johan Dotson was worth that pick last year,

474
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Speaker 2: there is no way their grading system tells you that

475
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Speaker 2: Zay Flowers is weren't the same.

476
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: I know I don't disagree with you, but I'm saying

477
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Speaker 1: are teams going to so so you see teams saying

478
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Speaker 1: it like that, saying, Okay, Jahan Dotts was nineteen, Zay

479
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: Flowers as nineteen.

480
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Speaker 2: I see them see they should be saying that those

481
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Speaker 2: guys are in the same tier the same way that

482
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Speaker 2: I would say. That's felt like Marvin Mims and Sky

483
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: Moore should be viewed as the same.

484
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Speaker 1: But here's how I think some people, Here's how I

485
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Speaker 1: know a lot of people on the outside see it.

486
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Speaker 1: And here's how I wonder some NFL teams see it,

487
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: just because of how important the wide receivers positions become

488
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Speaker 1: in football. Do they see Zay Flowers, Jahan Dotts and

489
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: comparable players, comparable picks, or do they see it as

490
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Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is the best wide receiver in this class,

491
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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase was the best receiver in his class. Jamar

492
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Speaker 1: Chase was a top ten pick. Therefore, Zay Flowers must

493
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Speaker 1: be a top ten back. Because I'll tell you that

494
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Speaker 1: before you tell me that's ridiculous. No, isn't that how

495
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Speaker 1: we do it with quarterbacks?

496
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Speaker 2: Okay?

497
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: But because that's exactly that's exactly how we.

498
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Speaker 2: Do this is this really gets it for me. Okay, yeah,

499
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: because in twenty twenty one, Yeah, the Patriots selected Christian

500
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: Barmore at the top of the second round. They traded up,

501
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: they did correct to select Christian Barber at the top

502
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: of the second round. We spoke, I believe we spoke

503
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: to Bill Yeah later that day, and he said, it's

504
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: very rare that the top defensive tackle in the entire

505
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: draft is available on the on the beginning of Day two,

506
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: and we felt like it was too good to pass up.

507
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: So in my mind, they I think they might look

508
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Speaker 2: at this receiver class if they go receiver. This is

509
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Speaker 2: how I think they're gonna think. They might look at

510
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: this receiver class the same way they looked at Christian Barmore,

511
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: and they might say, look.

512
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Speaker 1: Oh they will in some years.

513
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Speaker 2: Right, the top receiver next year, Marvin Harrison Juniors could

514
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: be the number one pick in the freaking draft.

515
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Speaker 1: He'd be a number one picking this draft right.

516
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: He could be the number one pick in the draft.

517
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: That's if the team that's picking number one overall has

518
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: a quarterback already. He could be the number one pick

519
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: in the draft. If he's not available right, then wide

520
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: receiver one's not available right to us. But this year

521
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: Jackson Smith the jig, but wide receiver one is available

522
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: at fourteen right now. The other thing that I would

523
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: just say, but okay, so I don't entirely disagree with

524
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: that that.

525
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Speaker 1: But are the other teams going to see it that way?

526
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: I don't know. My thing is more I think that

527
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: they would so I JSN is legit wide receiver one

528
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: and all that and right. But my concern so the

529
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Speaker 1: Barmore things actually a perfect comp because the way I

530
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: see it going is they say, all right, we have

531
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Speaker 1: these guys grated in the second round, but it's good

532
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: for this class. So we're gonna be able to get

533
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Speaker 1: you know, Zay Flowers, the second best receiver early in

534
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: the second round. But the other teams are gonna say

535
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: it's a wide receiver driven league and they're all off

536
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: the board by twenty okay, right, So that if the

537
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Speaker 1: other teams don't afford them that that's more where I'm

538
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: coming from.

539
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: Fair that's a mistake. But I think the biggest the

540
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: thing that I get on you about is that once

541
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: we get to day two, if we are still sitting

542
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: here on Friday, and you and I are are talking

543
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: or texting back and Forth or whatever. And some of

544
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: these guys are still there because the league guys, let's say,

545
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: you know, Jordan Addison or Josh Downs and Quentin Johnston

546
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: and like some of these guys that are maybe like

547
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: three very different players. Mimsy, you know, my guy, Mingo.

548
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: These are so many different tiers of players. But I'm

549
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: just saying all these Day two receivers, I think, are

550
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: these guys that are gonna all go on Day two.

551
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: That's That's what I'm naming Day two guys. If all

552
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: of these guys are there, then they are getting drafted properly.

553
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: They're getting drafted where they should get drafted, right. And

554
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: I look at it, and I look at it and

555
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: I say that I think, let's take Marvin Mims because

556
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: we both like Marvin Mims. Marvin Mims to me is

557
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: in an equal tier to Taekwon, to Sky, to Alec Pierce,

558
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: like to all the guys that went better than those guys.

559
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: So then why are we not taking him on Day

560
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: two the sixth round.

561
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: I've said, Marvin Mims at forty six, that's that is

562
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: my day too wide receiver pick.

563
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: But I live with all these guys. To me, whether

564
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: it's because my know is that I don't like his Hyatt, right,

565
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: So okay, So that's my point. Is everybody else I'm

566
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: on board with on day two.

567
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: But when people do that with Jalen Hyatt, when people

568
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: do that with Jonathan Mingo, when people do that with

569
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: disagree on we Okay, fine, I shouldn't have tried to

570
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: pick a fight. I should have brought that one up.

571
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: Let me reset. When people do that with Jalen Hyatt,

572
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: When people do that with Tyler Scott, when people do

573
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: that with Tank Dell, when people do with A. T. Perry,

574
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: and their logic is, well, he's a day two wide receiver.

575
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: Of course he's good. No, because last year pretty much

576
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: all of those players I just named are Day three picks.

577
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: I agree with you there, So I think that's here.

578
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: We're down a tier two.

579
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: So here's my I It's not that I don't think

580
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: there's guys you can get on day two that are

581
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: right to go in day two. I think the sheer

582
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: volume of them is significantly less than it's been the

583
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and teams are going to realize that.

584
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: I think Josh Downs is going to go before well

585
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: before forty six. I had him going thirtieth.

586
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: I think I'll go well before forty six, but I'm

587
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: really interested to see because I've always I keep comparing

588
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: this to the nineteen draft right where only Hollywood and

589
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: Nikhil Harry went in the first round. Everybody else, Aj Brown, Debo,

590
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: the whole rest of them went on Day two. My really,

591
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: and your whole adage of the positional value of the

592
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: wide receivers now pushing everything upah is I think could

593
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: potentially be spot on right, Like that could be exactly.

594
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: How the quarter what happens wide receiver quarterback.

595
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: It's just worth it to try the Bills picking at

596
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: the end of the first round to take Josh Downs.

597
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: It's just they, oh God, that would be such a

598
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: good pick, right. It just is worth it to them,

599
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: even though they take Jalen Y instead. Even the Josh

600
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: Downs might be more like a fortieth pick and a

601
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: good receiver draft, the positional value is so high that

602
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: it's worth it. I just look at it and say

603
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: that I think that the league is going to view

604
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: it and not prop.

605
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: Up the position quite that much. And that's why I

606
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: feel so by forty six, whether it's the first round

607
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: pick or it's your second round pick. One of those

608
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: picks I really feel like should be a receiver, and

609
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: I think that there's going to be a receiver worthy

610
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: of that pick.

611
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: So okay, that last thing is what I'm worried about,

612
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: because again, how much does it need to be propped up?

613
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Let's take JSN, Quentin Johnson, Jordan Adison say Flowers off

614
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: the board, right, Let's assume that they're gone first round

615
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: and whatever. Right, So who do you need to fall?

616
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: Like?

617
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Who are the guys realistic that could fall to justify

618
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: that pick. I'm just going to read off the board,

619
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Evan Jalen Hyatt Nor.

620
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: We just don't like were some people like him, but

621
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: he's not.

622
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: He's not the guy that we're talking about, the guy

623
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: that when we say they need to go get an

624
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: impact receiver and they can do so on day two,

625
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: if they get Jalen Hyatt, we would say they did

626
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: not accomplish that, right, Josh Downs, I think we both agree, yes,

627
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: But is he how far is he making it? I

628
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: don't think he gets past thirty five. Cedric Tillman. I

629
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't hate if they draft Cedric Tillman, but like I

630
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that they got a playmaker, I'd say. Okay,

631
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: now we start talking about Devonte Parker as a camp cut, right,

632
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Marvin Mims, we both agree, yes, Tyler Scott, No, Tank

633
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: Dell too.

634
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: Small, No, Rashi Rice two doesn't separate.

635
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you like Mingo, I don't. We'll call that

636
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: a split.

637
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: What do you mean a split? And you got to

638
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: talk about mingo for a second? No, no, no, let

639
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: me make my point. Then we can talk about mingo. Okay,

640
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: that's we'll call two and a half receivers. Mims downs mingo. Yeah,

641
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: that's and you just around out the top one hundred,

642
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: Jayden Reid, it would be a reach at that point

643
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: at Perry, No, Kayshawn Boute over that one.

644
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: I missed on that, I admitted I missed. There you go,

645
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: Mark to tape.

646
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: That's what that's what the combine is for.

647
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: And Michael Wilson, No, ye, that's two guys. That's two

648
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: or three. That's two or three players. You either need

649
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: to fall from thirty one to forty six. So are

650
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: there going to be Is there gonna be one wide

651
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: receiver taken in a span of fifteen picks on the

652
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: top fifty or are you going to move up to

653
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: get him. That's basically what if you can't do that,

654
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: then you shouldn't take a receiver on Day two? This

655
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: because he is the don't fascinating about this draft. I

656
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: don't need them to draft Jayden and I like Jane Reid.

657
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't need them to draft Jayden reading Berry. I

658
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: don't need them to draft Tyler Scott and have him

659
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: flame out. I don't need them to draft at Perry

660
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: just to find out he's slower tack on Thornton.

661
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 4: Right.

662
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: What kills me is the and we're gonna get himing

663
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: on a second, I promise. Yeah, is the just blind

664
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: blinders on take a receiver on day two because it works,

665
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: because every receiver in the NFL draft is good. It's honestly,

666
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: it's the exact same thing as the Well, No, they

667
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: don't need to take quarterback in the first round to

668
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: replace Mac Jones. Just draft do what the Eagles did.

669
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: Draft an athletic upside quarterback in the second round like

670
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and you're good. Yeah, I think honestly, and

671
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm a mat guy. People know this. I want to

672
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: see them stick it out with him. I think that

673
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: would be a great play this year. Show me the guy,

674
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Show me the guy. You can't just describe a player

675
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: that day.

676
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: That guy in this draft is head and hooker, but

677
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: that's but he.

678
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: Doesn't have the upside that you know, because it's about

679
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: upside and he's on the second right, you can't like.

680
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: It bugs me if people do this in the draft.

681
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: You don't get to describe a player without a name

682
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: and then say draft them because that player might not

683
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: be there. And I feel like a receiver. I feel

684
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: like the receiver people want the Patriots to take. I

685
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: need a name because I think a lot of people

686
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: are describing a player without a name, and at that point,

687
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: what are we doing?

688
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so, uh, the two names that I keep coming

689
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: back to, and we're talking about Day two receivers. Yeah,

690
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: the most fascinating thing that I think about this draft

691
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: is how exactly these receivers come off the board. Yeah,

692
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: because you are correct that this draft, this draft should

693
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: look like the twenty nineteen draft at receiver besides Jays.

694
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: But not with it's not that many, it's not that deep.

695
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: There's not that many hits.

696
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: But but my point is, but I get, Okay, James

697
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: saylers should be the second receiver picking off the board

698
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: in the mid twenties, right where Hollywood breads.

699
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: You were three in the first round and then you

700
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: get a big run in the second, right, is what

701
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: you're okay? Yeah, I yes, that's probably what it's going

702
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: to look like.

703
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: That's how it should look if your fear of positional

704
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: value comes into play. Yeah, and then Zay Flower is

705
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: going to be a top twenty pick in the draft.

706
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: He's going to go at the end of the teams.

707
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: He's not getting out of the first round.

708
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: I don't think he's getting out of the I don't

709
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: think he should.

710
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: No.

711
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: My point is is he's going to go five to

712
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: ten picks higher than he probably should. So instead of

713
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: at twenty five, we're now going to be talking about

714
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: him at like sixteen.

715
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: Right.

716
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: You know, supposedly the reason the Packers wanted thirteen was

717
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: to take Oh no, that was Chase said, okay, So that.

718
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: That it's really fast to see. How does the league

719
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: because they did this a few years ago, not to

720
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: go on a separate tangent, but it is a few

721
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: years ago with quarterbacks. With that the Milik Willis class, right,

722
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: there was no quarterback selected for I think Pickett last year, Yeah,

723
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: Pickett was sixteen or something like that.

724
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: And it was that's true. OK, that's true.

725
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: Right, So they course corrected at quarterback last year. Let's

726
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: see what they do at receiver this year. The one

727
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: guy that I think, you know, we both agree on Mims.

728
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: If MS is somebody that they can target on day

729
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: two and we're both on board, I think Josh Downs

730
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: would be like dream Mims is like like realistic.

731
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: So right, hang on a second, and I think Down

732
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: is the better player?

733
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

734
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: Is Mims more what they need right now? I kind

735
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: of think he is.

736
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: I think what I worry about with Mims is that

737
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: is he a little bit too redundant to Taekwon? You know,

738
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: like they're both straight down to Juju. No. I think

739
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: I think Downs is like a true like Welker Edelman

740
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 2: slot like a shifty right.

741
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: But you can't how are you getting them both on

742
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: the field? Okay, redundant skill set?

743
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: But like but in eleven personnel, Like yeah, you would

744
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: have to probably play a lot of like three by

745
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 2: ones and stuff like that to have like two slots, yeah,

746
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.

747
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: Formationally, he's redundant, not skill set wise, I should play.

748
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: It would be I think you could do it, like

749
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: if you're if you're in the three by one or

750
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: you're in two by two or something like that, and

751
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: you're going four, like you have two slots, right, like

752
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: you have an inside slot and you have an outside.

753
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: And Thornton you just put speed out there.

754
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there you can. I think that's fine.

755
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: I would take Downs just because when with Mims, I

756
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: think he separates more on a vertical plane. He's either

757
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: coming across the field or he's going deep vertically up

758
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: the field, Whereas with Downs, I think he's got that

759
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: shifty gear, right, He's got that that jitterbug and I

760
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: just see it that way. But that I think Downs

761
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: is dream right, Yeah, Mims is realistic.

762
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

763
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: And then we disagree on Mingo, and I think the

764
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: biggest thing.

765
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: Is, so you were you of Mingo? I have Cedric Tillman. Basically.

766
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: I like Cedric Tillman a lot too. I actually have

767
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: him grated higher than Mingo. But I think Cedric I

768
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: think with Cedric Tillman, you don't get that, you don't

769
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: get the yak. I think Mingo has more yak potential.

770
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I I don't mind to jump, all guy,

771
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't mind to.

772
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: Jump Tillman's really good. I think his best asset to

773
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 2: me is his ability to stop, Like he can get

774
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: up the field vertically, push you vertical and then slam

775
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: and and he killey Ringo could not cover him on

776
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: those come back routes, so that that element of his

777
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: skill set is interesting. I just think Mingo is a

778
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: little bit more of a runaway train with the football,

779
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: and I think that's valuable.

780
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: But I guess I'm more something like, wasn't that the

781
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: whole point of why you signed Juju to get the

782
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: yak right?

783
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: But I think Mingo is a little bit more of

784
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: an outside guy than Juju is. And one of the

785
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: other thing, I know what I'm saying, you got the

786
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: yak guy. Yeah, but everybody can be a yak guy.

787
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean you look at San Francisco, you got like sixteen.

788
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: Okay, so why do you need why do you need whatever?

789
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: Because I think us but because I think the yack guy,

790
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: I think that's how their offense is gonna is gonna function, right, Yeah,

791
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: But I like Timer was yack guy, and so is Gronk.

792
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: Like you have to have you know, you have to

793
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: have both of that.

794
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: But i'd like for right, so they got the yak guy,

795
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to see them get a guy that can

796
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: go up and get the football and win against bigger

797
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: physical corners. Like so their offense for a couple of

798
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: years has been all physical separators, no yak, right, and

799
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: that wasn't great. I don't know that shifting to all

800
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: yak is the answer either. I think you want to

801
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: diversified skill sets. So if you have a yak guy

802
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: and then you go out and get a guy like

803
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: Cedric Tillman who can win, you know, physically. I like

804
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: having guys that can do different.

805
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: I mean, Mingo's two hundred and twenty pounds, like, I

806
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: think he can win physically too.

807
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 1: I just that's not my concern with Mingo.

808
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: We'll get into my concern my my, my take on

809
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: what they think about their receivers right now. Yeah, is

810
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: I truly believe that they feel like Taekwon's going to

811
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: be the separator that Taekwon that's okay under Bill O'Brien

812
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: is gonna I think Tae Kwon. I don't think Taekwon's

813
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: an X, right. I don't think you want to just

814
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: put Taekwon on the boundary, have him go one on

815
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: one and beat press coverage the whole time. I think

816
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: that they're gonna have Bill O'Brien use Taekwon this year

817
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: a little bit like he used Jamison Williams and like

818
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: Davante Smith before that in the Alabamon.

819
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams role specifically because DeVonta Smith was a little

820
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: more like slot driven and stuff like that. Like what

821
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: they did with Jamison Williams is to me the.

822
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: Role, right, Move him around a little bit, bring them

823
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: in motion, have them run routes from stacks or trips

824
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: alignment to try to get him away from physicality, right,

825
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: just get him away from contact and just turn it

826
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: into a game of tag coming across the field, going

827
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: up the field, and allow Mac, which I think is

828
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: probably Mac's best throw is those touchdeep balls, right that

829
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: he throws a pretty deep ball. It's I'm not talking

830
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: about the velocity throws. I'm not talking about fitting into

831
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: a window twenty five yards down the field. I'm talking

832
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: about the rainbows. Right, let him drop it in the bucket.

833
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: I think he makes that throw really well. Slot verticals, yeah,

834
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: verticals from the slot motion plays over routes like things

835
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: like that. I think that that's his best throw in

836
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: his bag, So I think that's what they're gonna try

837
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: to get out of Taekwon, which means that if Taekwon's

838
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 2: playing more like a Z or a flanker role where

839
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: he's moving around, and then Juju is kind of that

840
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: f slot receiver that's just sitting in the slot. You

841
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: need an X and I think they feel like they

842
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: have one for the time being with Devonte Parker. But

843
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: Devanta Parker doesn't have a long term future in New England.

844
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: So whether it's Mingo, it's Tillman, I think those are

845
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: the two guys that I feel comfortable with on Day two.

846
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: And it's not a deep X class. I don't think

847
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: a lot of x's are gonna go off the board

848
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: very quickly, but they might look at it and say, look,

849
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: there's a million shifty slot receivers in this draft. There's

850
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: only four or five X guys, and we're gonna just

851
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: grab one of the four or five X guys.

852
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: I know, I'm, I'm, and then we'll get the slot

853
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: guy later.

854
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: Tomorrio Tuglas, I'm talking to a little bit out of

855
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: both sides of my mouth because I've been anti Quentin Johnson,

856
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: but I've been t Quintin Johnson because I don't want

857
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: them to take Quentin Johnson at fourteen. We're talking about

858
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: them taking a receiver at forty six.

859
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: Quint Johnson in the second round, right, Yeah, I mean

860
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: he's better than like, he's better than Tillman.

861
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, he's better than both these guys.

862
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: But he's gonna go in the first round because some

863
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: team's going to see the size. I so my issue

864
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: on Mingo by the way, because he never got to it.

865
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: My issue on Mingo it maybe this is dumb. I

866
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: just see it as a red flag. That is the

867
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: most skill position friendly offense right that lane Kiffen runs

868
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: down there. You have to try to not put up

869
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: numbers in that offense. I don't know, fifty one catches

870
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: for eight hundred yards.

871
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: It was seventeen yards per catch Though'll be fair. Yeah,

872
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 2: but big play guy, but that's it. Yeah.

873
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: And is it going to be a big play offense

874
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: or is it going to be the Bill O'Brien death

875
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: by a thousand paper cuts offense?

876
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: I think I think, ideally, I think it's going to

877
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: be similar to. I think it's gonna be a little

878
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: bit of both, like because I think it's more of

879
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: like a hybrid between a death by a thousand paper

880
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 2: cuts in the Alabama offense, right. I think that that's

881
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: where they're ideally going with this, And my estimation is

882
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: that the high volume area will be the middle of

883
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: the field. But every once in a while, if you

884
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: got the safeties coming down, you've got the linebackers and

885
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: the slots, everybody's focused on the middle of the field,

886
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: You're gonna get some one on ones for those guys

887
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: on the end.

888
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: But isn't that why Taekwon's here? Isn't that why my

889
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: Kasiki's here? I just I s I you're very nord.

890
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: I brought Kasiki up in that, aren't you.

891
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: No.

892
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: No, I just I think Ksiki is somebody that you

893
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: hope is going to stretch the seam to get the

894
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: safeties off of treachery.

895
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: I just think that I see a guy that's big.

896
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: He's fast, but he's not fast, right.

897
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: A four to four six at two twenty is moving, yeah,

898
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: but it's still it's and his game speed is really good.

899
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: I just I wish he ran the agility drills. Yeah,

900
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: he's with it a little better.

901
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be an agility guy.

902
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: That's but that's what I'm saying.

903
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: So, Okay, he's big, he's a big, fast, physical outside receiver.

904
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: He's Nikhil Harry, but he's but he's a steper two faster.

905
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: All right, That's what I did. That's exactly what I

906
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: didn't want to say.

907
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: But he's a stepper two faster. If Nikhil Harry had

908
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: another gear, then he's a different prob.

909
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: But does a step er two faster fix all of

910
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: the formational alignment assignment issues? That a guy that the

911
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: guys like that, not just ni Keel, guys like that

912
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: keep having here.

913
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: Asked me after I see what Bill O'Brien does. Okay,

914
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: so Bill O'Brien is gonna be is going to be

915
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: a wild card.

916
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: I do kind of have to keep reminding myself of that.

917
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: And that's fair, And that's I'm not saying. I think

918
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: one hundred last year would Mingo? Would you be as

919
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: high on Mingo for them?

920
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: Uh?

921
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I liked Alec Pearce, and I think

922
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: that Alec Pearce was a little bit better of a

923
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: ball winner down the field, like he was a little

924
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: bit more of that DeVante Parker contested catch guy than

925
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: Mingo is. But I did really like his game for

926
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: similar reasons. You know, a guy that that could get

927
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: off press, I could get up the field and it

928
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: was really good play speed. He was a little bit more.

929
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: He had that above the rim mentality that I don't

930
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: know if Mingo fully died. I think Mingo is a

931
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: better yeat.

932
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: Guy, but I just I don't know. I see this

933
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: guy and I just think, all right, they're gonna have

934
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: him running quick slants and off coverage and hitches and like,

935
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: I just don't want to do that. Again, that's not

936
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: his game, right, So that that's my he's that's my

937
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: issue with Jonathan.

938
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: He's like catching a screen or he's catching a vertical right,

939
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: and there's.

940
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Like they have not hit on one of those guys.

941
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: That's all right, let's take some of these calls and

942
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: then we'll get to some of the other things on

943
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 2: the agenda. Patty, what's up, Patty, what's up? Guys? Thanks

944
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: for hanging on.

945
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: Great discussion as always, Alex, I got having a little

946
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: fired up durned to you, and I'm not trying to

947
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: fire you guys up, but I might do the same thing.

948
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: I got a I got a couple of both predictions,

949
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: one NFL draft related, one Patriots draft related, and I

950
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 3: got a a question regarding me a prospect.

951
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: To hang on first, real quick, what did you how

952
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: did you get him fired up? During pus He said

953
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: you wanted to take Mozzie Smith in the first round.

954
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: Oh that was a good one. Yeah, that's a good

955
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: one going. Yeah, I would thank you, Patty.

956
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, No, I didn't say I wanted I just

957
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: said I could see them doing that like one hundred

958
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: percent of heaven. What I've what I've been thinking is like,

959
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: what's going to annoy the piss out of me more

960
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: than anything? And that's generally what the Patriots do is gap.

961
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: Nothing moves the needle more.

962
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: He's pretty athletic.

963
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: But here's my bold prediction for the Patriots draft, and

964
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: that is they will pick one tight end at pick

965
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: number forty six, and it's going to be Luke spoon

966
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: Maker who they're going to reach for. With Darnel Watson

967
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 3: and still on the board. Ready for this, Alex, I

968
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: know this is going to fire you up. Okay, my

969
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 3: old NFL draft prediction is we will be drafted by

970
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals and by the end of the year

971
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 3: he will win the starting and they're gonna deal freaking

972
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray.

973
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: No, he said Stets and Bennett's gonna get drafted by

974
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Murray.

975
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: Oh boy, okay, Patty, that's you said. It was bold, right?

976
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: It is? He a ud F A like I don't know.

977
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if Stets and Bennett's getting drafted, Patty.

978
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: There were reports that teams have significant non football concerns

979
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: about him. I also happened at football concerns.

980
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: About him very much, A lot of football concern.

981
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Now, look, the Cardinals aren't very good at this. Well,

982
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: I guess it's new. It's a new group running the

983
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: show there, so who knows. But I I don't get

984
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Stets and Ben Stets and Bennett hype like Max dug

985
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: In is a better version of the same player who

986
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: will be on the board the same point, I would not.

987
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: It's Stets and Bennett's like I think Stets Bennett's the

988
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: same age as Mac. Yeah, I would not touch ST's

989
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: and Bennet with a ten foot Thanks for the.

990
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: Call, Patty. We appreciate you real quick.

991
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: Real quickly.

992
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, just if And here's another guy I'm intrig bye,

993
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: Bryce ford Wheaton. If he hits the ceiling, how good

994
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 3: can he be? And do you guys have a player

995
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: tom for him? That's a guy.

996
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Patty. Yeah, that's a So this is

997
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: a good conversation too.

998
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: If Bryce ford Wheaton hits his ceiling, don't don't be ridiculous.

999
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm gonna use the one. It's not my

1000
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: comp Eric Galca told us Metcal. Oh my god, no,

1001
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: how's that not the ceiling? Because he doesn't move like

1002
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf. Bryce Ford Wheton's forty and his whole combine

1003
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 2: blows my mind even more than Darnell Washington because when

1004
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: I watch Bryce Ford Wheaton, it looks like he's running

1005
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: in quick with freaking you know, ankle weights wrapped around

1006
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: his legs like what. He does not move like DK.

1007
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: DK is a freaking shot out of cannon, you know,

1008
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: train commuter rail going up up Route one like that?

1009
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: This is not nice.

1010
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: Why are there trains on Root one?

1011
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: I don't know where did I don't know where I

1012
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: was going with that price for and I can't believe

1013
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: that he tested as well as I don't see that

1014
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: kind of speed with him on film. I don't think

1015
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: he plays to it at all. Like maybe he's a

1016
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: he's a good guy in spandex at the combine, But

1017
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: do you when you watch him on film, do you

1018
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: really see a four three eight guy?

1019
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: No, but I don't think of him as slow.

1020
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: He's not slow, but like his game is like back shoulders,

1021
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 2: high points like that, Like he wears coverage. He doesn't

1022
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: run away from anybody.

1023
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of weird. You're gonna hate this

1024
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: even more now when I say this. Okay, I was

1025
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: watching him as a given. You probably when you watch him,

1026
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: you probably only watch him as a receiver. I'm not

1027
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: surprised he this Your minds is blown when you watch

1028
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: him cover punts, you see the four three eight.

1029
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: So but that's so, But that that tells me that

1030
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: he's overthinking it as a receiver, right.

1031
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: Right, So again we're talking about him hitting his ceiling.

1032
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: We're not talking about guaranteed who's gonna be Yeah, And

1033
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: this is kind of the comp with DK Metcalf, And

1034
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: this is what I think the Seahawks did really well

1035
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: with him they kind of put him out there and said,

1036
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: just go just run, right, if a team can simplify

1037
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: it for him and allow him to just go, yeah,

1038
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: he's going to look a lot, a lot fast, And

1039
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: he did it West Virginia. His route treat at West

1040
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: Virginia was expansive. Maybe he didn't laboring, maybe he didn't

1041
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: run all the routes. Great, but it reminds me so much.

1042
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 2: Of Darnell Washington, just at a different position. Where Darnell

1043
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 2: Washington runs this ridiculous forty at six seven two sixty.

1044
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: But then when you watch him on film, he looks

1045
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: he's slow like he it takes he's leggy, like it

1046
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: just takes him a long time to get up to

1047
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: a top speed to the point where I don't know

1048
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: how much of a factor his burst really is. Like

1049
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 2: that's to me, I think we get you know, there's

1050
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: long speeding in this burst, right, And I think burst

1051
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage for receivers is way more

1052
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 2: important than what you hit when you're forty yards down

1053
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: the field because it's timing right. It's all yeah.

1054
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: But again, I would just say, if a team can

1055
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: figure out a way to true I think the physical

1056
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: tools are there, I do. I think they don't show

1057
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: up on tape because he's fighting himself a lot. But

1058
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: if he gets the right coaching and he gets an

1059
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: assystem where it's just sort of, hey, just go win physically,

1060
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: nobody's tested better physically than him at the wide receivers.

1061
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: So my I know that he's more athletic based off

1062
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: the combine. Yeah, but I just I just see like

1063
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: Devonte Parker. Okay, So again the question was if he

1064
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: totally hits his peak. I think Parker's a better comp

1065
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: I think it's I think Parker's his ceiling.

1066
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: No, his ceiling's side, and I don't think it is

1067
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: no because he's he can be better after the catch.

1068
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: He was good after the catch at West Virginia. And

1069
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: that's again where you see that athleticism when he gets

1070
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands in the open field that

1071
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: he can start just sort of running away from defenders.

1072
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: You see that athleticism hit the next level.

1073
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 2: I guess if we're really talking about like blows it

1074
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: out of the water ceiling. But Devonte Parker had a

1075
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: thousand yard season, like on his resume, a Pro Bowl year,

1076
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's fair I don't know if Prize Fortan

1077
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 2: is ever going to be that. I think you're really

1078
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: project a lot.

1079
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that he look. The teams that should

1080
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: be in on Brice Ford Wheaton are the Steelers, Chiefs,

1081
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, these teams that maximize it because he's a

1082
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: long way away. Yeah, but it's it's it's like I

1083
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: said last year with Treequel, and it's like I'm saying

1084
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: with Dwan Jones. The size, the athleticism, there's something there

1085
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know what it is or to what extent,

1086
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: but there's clearly some great natural ability there.

1087
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: He looks really good at the combine. That's what's the no.

1088
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: But he there's there's flashes too in these games.

1089
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: But his flashes are like back shoulders and like in

1090
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: high points, like he's a good red zone target, Like

1091
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: you throw a back shoulder at that guy, he's freaking.

1092
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: There's some flash of him running with the football too.

1093
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: They ran some screens to him that he.

1094
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: There were a few that I saw that that were decent.

1095
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: But I'm not getting like all hot and bothered by him.

1096
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: It's he's he's John. This to me sounds like how

1097
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: you were describing Jonathan Mingo.

1098
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: I guess he's day three Jonathan.

1099
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Mago's a little further along. He's a little

1100
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: more developed, but it's the same guy. I just again,

1101
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: I look at the physical testing. I look at the

1102
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: I look at the physical testing. I look at the measurements.

1103
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: I look at what he did in the flashes. Not

1104
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: saying I'd take him in the top one hundred, I wouldn't.

1105
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: They have four six round picks. They want to take

1106
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: him in the sixth round, and if he's the only

1107
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: receiver that they take, then we have a problem.

1108
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: Well, they're gonna like him. They're gonna really like him.

1109
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the fact anything of

1110
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: him as a receiver, because he tested out the combine,

1111
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: he was on their team at the Shrine Bowl, and

1112
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: he's really good at covering punts.

1113
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: If they take him, that's why. But it's a sixth

1114
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: round player, all right. Anyways.

1115
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: But if he maxes out, if he maxes out, he's

1116
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: a thousand yard receiver.

1117
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: Maybe.

1118
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: If he maxes out, if a team finds the role

1119
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: and coaches him up, if he gets the Pittsburgh Steelers

1120
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: treatment like that, the A plus.

1121
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: Receiver in one breakout season. He's not gonna be a

1122
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: consistent thousand yard receiver. It's not like he's gonna have

1123
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: five thousand yard seasons by the time.

1124
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: That usually comes down to like health and stuff like that.

1125
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: I don't know the tight end point that Patty made

1126
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: about Schoonmaker over Darnell Washington. I think he's onto something.

1127
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: And I know he's a Michigan guy because he's already

1128
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: mentioned Mozzie Smith. So he's a Michigan guy. He's onto something.

1129
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: But I think he's got the wrong Big ten tight end.

1130
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: Oh you you like Laporta.

1131
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: I I think it was. Schrager reported this on NFL

1132
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: Network that he knows teams have the Porta over Washington.

1133
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: I'm not saying every team. I'm saying some teams have.

1134
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if Sam Laporta is taken

1135
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: over Darnell Washington.

1136
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: I so, I I can also see them drafting the

1137
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: tight end. We don't think they're gonna take ahead of

1138
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: tight ends. We think they're gonna take I think it's

1139
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft.

1140
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

1141
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: Actually, I meant to tweet this out this morning.

1142
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: I think Schoonmaker's on their board for suremaker because he's

1143
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl guy and he's a really really good blocker

1144
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: and some untapped potential as a receiver. His combine matches

1145
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: up to his play speed. Yeah, they just didn't throw

1146
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: them the ball.

1147
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: So I so I meant to tweet this out this morning.

1148
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: I kind of just like jotted down some gut draft predictions.

1149
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: We can do all of them if you want, but

1150
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: one of them was they're the tight end they take

1151
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: is not gonna be one of the guys we've been

1152
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: talking about. We've been we've been not like talking talking.

1153
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: I think we talked enough about Tucker Kraft to say

1154
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 2: that we talked about him.

1155
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: He Yeah, he wouldn't be in the group. I'm thinking

1156
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: like Will Mallory, the kid from Penn State, Strange. I

1157
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: think his last name is actually Strange. Yeah, No, I

1158
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: was thinking more like Davis Allen from Clemson.

1159
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, yeah, I watched all these guys recently

1160
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: just to like round out the tight ends. Yeah, and uh,

1161
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: they're gonna reach from Oklahoma is interesting. I do like

1162
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: him for that, like six or seventh round. Yeah, because

1163
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: he's underside.

1164
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: But here's what I think. So those guys who just said, right,

1165
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: Mallory Allen. These are like, yeah, fifth, sixth round guys. Yeah,

1166
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna take one of those guys at the end

1167
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: of the fourth round instead of the guys we've been talking.

1168
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Mallory is one of my gut Mallory is interesting well

1169
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: because he had the best combine. Yeah, and they love

1170
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: the combine now.

1171
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: And that speeded. He's not a route runner, like, he's

1172
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 2: not somebody that's gonna break you down at the top

1173
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: of the route and get open, but they use them

1174
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: a lot on like shallows and like crossing routes at

1175
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: different levels and things like that. And he's got he's

1176
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: got four or five speed like you can see that

1177
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: on film, and he's got some ability to pull away.

1178
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 4: Uh.

1179
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: He's an interesting player if they miss out on like

1180
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: the wave of tight ends that's gonna go on day

1181
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: two and they're kind of stuck, all right. Uh uh Eldred, Eldred,

1182
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: what's up? You ready for Quinton Johnson this weekend? In

1183
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: the truck? What's up? Good? Hey?

1184
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alex, how you're doing? Yeah? I want him, But

1185
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: like I said, I wrote the not mingo. Scuse me, h,

1186
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: Gazales if we need a corner, But all, your receiver

1187
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 4: is gonna be going by thirty man, Dave got Jonathan

1188
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: Mingo twenty fifth to the site, who has.

1189
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: The same probably you No, I have him fifty.

1190
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 2: Six pag.

1191
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 4: NFL network did. Uh? Obviously did?

1192
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: Oh?

1193
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: And yes I saw that mock. They I think they

1194
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: had C. J. Stroud in like the twenties and they

1195
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: had Bejon to the Patriots at fourteen.

1196
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 2: What a wild mock? What what else you got? Aldred?

1197
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 4: Well? Just one three? About about about Kelly Ringo? Why

1198
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: ain't nobody talking much about my corner is.

1199
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: Talking about?

1200
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm glad you asked that, actually because I agree

1201
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: that not enough people are talking about Kelly Ringo. Who

1202
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: and thanks for the call, Aldred.

1203
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: Uh, He's the consensus number one corner in this draft

1204
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: pretty much throughout the wall.

1205
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, until Marvin Harrison Junior did what he did. Booked that.

1206
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: But like every Marvin Harrison Junior cooked everybody.

1207
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: I told you what the ultimate draft strategy is this year? Right,

1208
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. You take Marvin Harrison and you tell

1209
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: Goodell the deal with Oh my god, Kelly's the best

1210
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: pick any team could make.

1211
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: Kelly Ringo. I think he's interesting for two reasons. One,

1212
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 2: he's definitely one of those guys that fails outside before

1213
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: you move him inside or to safety. Some people, well

1214
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, right, I think you let him

1215
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: fail at outside corner first, because his size and speed

1216
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: should translate to carrying most vertical route runners. The issue

1217
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: is when he gets those dynamic guys that can shift

1218
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: on him, he can't stick. So he's got tight hips,

1219
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't change directions. Well, his agilities were terrible. Backed

1220
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: it up right. So he's somebody that I think is

1221
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: going to be a extremely high level safety if that's

1222
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 2: where he ends up going, and maybe a matchup corner

1223
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: if you want to leave him at corner. But it's

1224
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: definitely somebody that's worth talking about, I think for the Patriots,

1225
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: because whether he plays safety or a corner, they could

1226
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: use a guy at either spot, and he does bring

1227
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: some size. Maybe he has a Devin mccordy like career

1228
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: or his rookie season. They play him at outside corner

1229
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: because that's where they need him the most, and then

1230
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: they move them back once they kind of slid that

1231
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: spot a little bit more with guys that are better

1232
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: natural fits. I don't think he's like a true center

1233
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: fielder if he moves to safety, but like I could

1234
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: see him being like a Cam Chancellor, like really good

1235
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: lockdown on tight ends, bring some extremely physical play to

1236
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, because he is a jacked

1237
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 2: up guy in terms of his body and in terms

1238
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 2: of his frame and he and he's a fast, fast guy.

1239
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: So you think about just giving him opportunities to see ball,

1240
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: get ball, and just fire out of a cannon. He's

1241
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: definitely gonna be an impact player, I think somewhere in

1242
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: the NFL.

1243
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the other reason he doesn't get talked

1244
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: about a lot. If you ask five different people their

1245
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,479
Speaker 1: opinions on him, you're gonna get five different answers because

1246
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: he's so inconsistent.

1247
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean even Tilman gave him a tough time, yeah,

1248
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: in that game.

1249
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: Basically, what it comes down to is like if he's playing,

1250
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: if he played the way he did his best consistently,

1251
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: he'd be the number one corner in the Shraft would

1252
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: be talking about him his top five pick. But when

1253
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: he's not on his game, the drop off is it's

1254
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: not like a little bit, it's significant. It completely changes

1255
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: the way you have to play defense. So I think

1256
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: that's the hesitancy with teams. How much of that is

1257
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: just he's young and he's learning. How much of that

1258
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: is his attention span? How much of that is is

1259
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: this just who he is? So that's I think why

1260
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: he gets less attention because there's it's easy to be

1261
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: trigger shot with a guy like that. It's easy to

1262
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: or it's it's harder to look at a guy like

1263
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: that and pound the table for a guy like that,

1264
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: because there are plays you can pull up and say,

1265
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: what do you pound a table for this guy?

1266
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: I mean watching him against Tilman Center Tillman from Tennessee

1267
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 2: last year and watching Tillman just stop on a dime

1268
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: and Killey Ringo just bye bye, right, like just continues

1269
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: up the field and just accelerate and change directions. It's

1270
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: some rough film, and Marvin Harrison Junior basically did the

1271
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: same thing against him. But I think it'd be interesting

1272
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: because I think he's one of those guys that had

1273
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: a lot of first round buzz coming into the year,

1274
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: still has some first round buzz now that might end

1275
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: up being like then Toby Dean of this draft, right

1276
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: that just hangs around and hangs around.

1277
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: Well, the Kobe Dean was because of an injury.

1278
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: Sure, I guess for a different reason. But at my

1279
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: point being, if he was on the board at forty

1280
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: six when the Patriots pick on Friday night, I wouldn't

1281
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: be shocked. Like I wouldn't be totally shocked.

1282
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: He's one of those it's one of those things like

1283
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: if he's there at forty six, I almost wouldn't take

1284
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: him because if he's fallen that far probably reason, right,

1285
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: there's a reason. So I if he's the guy that

1286
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: he looks like at his best, he should be gone

1287
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: well before forty six. If he's still there, then maybe

1288
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: he's not really the guy he looks like. It is

1289
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: best catch twenty two.

1290
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: There you go. He's the stiffness and the agility testing

1291
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: that backed up the stiffness that you see on film

1292
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: is concerning. All right, one more call here and then

1293
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna do some draft over unders Manuel, it's up. Hey, Manuel,

1294
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: you're there, Yeah, I'm here.

1295
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 4: Sorry, I was working.

1296
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: I was sorry, No problem. Quick question.

1297
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 3: I think that our pick is going to come down

1298
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 3: to two Georgia people, and I want to know what

1299
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: would be your pick on this? So to me, I

1300
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: think we're either going to get Nolan.

1301
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 4: Smith or Broderick Jones right there at fourteen.

1302
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: And who do you guys think we would rather.

1303
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: Have right there?

1304
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: To me, I think it might be.

1305
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like two good players. I mean, I don't really

1306
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: think you could go wrong with either. I wouldn't be

1307
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: upset with either guy.

1308
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: This is what we did off the top of the show. Yeah, right,

1309
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: you got to get the tier one player. They're both

1310
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: tier one players. But so then you go to position.

1311
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: Tackle is a bigger need than edge. I just think

1312
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: it is.

1313
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: Now.

1314
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they might be. I think they're gonna

1315
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 1: have Nolan Smith ahead of Broderick Jones.

1316
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I have Nolan Smith ahead of Broderick Jones

1317
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: on mine. I think the one thing that's a little

1318
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: bit misunderstood about Broderick Jones is that this is not

1319
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: a ready made day one We are going to play

1320
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: him at left tackle, and I think he is and

1321
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: not touch it. I'm not saying that he can't play

1322
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: as a rookie. I think he will play as a rookie.

1323
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying that I don't think that he is this flawless,

1324
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: like We're not gonna have to worry about that position.

1325
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: For ten years type of guy's he's somebody that has

1326
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,479
Speaker 2: some developing developing to do. He only played nineteen games

1327
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: at Georgia. His pass sets in particular, run blocking wise,

1328
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: I'm not concerned about him at all. His pass protection,

1329
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: he gets a little bit off balance, a little bit forward, leaner.

1330
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: His hand technique needs that refinement, right, He's not a

1331
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: master of the arts quite yet, and I think that

1332
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: somebody like Adrian Klem, maybe even Joe Kim could like

1333
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: help him with the dan fighting and get him there.

1334
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: But he gets a little bit off balance. And there's

1335
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: some bad film of him pass protecting, especially against guys

1336
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: that are a better rushers, right, Guys that he went

1337
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: up against in some of the playoff games and some

1338
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: of the big games that they played down the stretch

1339
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: for Georgia. Some of those guys that we talk about

1340
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 2: as you know, edge guys in this class that he

1341
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: played against got him a bunch of times.

1342
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: But I think the funny thing is like he's the

1343
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: athletic profiles that of a pass blocker right more than

1344
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: so I think the better rid there right now. But

1345
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: he looks like he should be a better passbocker if

1346
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: you just look at the measureables you.

1347
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: Will eventually be The one thing that I think really

1348
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: makes me feel good about him long term. He's got

1349
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: great body control, which means that I think that he

1350
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: can he can get his balance and his posture correct

1351
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: right and the other he can recover. And he's extremely long. Yeah,

1352
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: so he's got long arms, he carries his weight well.

1353
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: He has all of the physical abilities to be able

1354
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: to develop as a pass protector. He's just not there yet.

1355
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: Blue chip prospect, I think so because of the upside. Yeah,

1356
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if right this very second he's going

1357
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: to hit it like. I don't think he's going to

1358
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: be one of those guys day one where we're talking

1359
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: about him being a lead elite. But I think a

1360
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: little bit like Tristan Wharfs, like two or three years

1361
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: down the line, we're gonna be like, this is one

1362
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: of the best tackles in the lake.

1363
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: I just go back to it again. They're both very good,

1364
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: but they need to tackle more than they need an

1365
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: edge rusher. And at that point it's close enough that

1366
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: you should have that conversation.

1367
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fast. I wouldn't be upset with by where

1368
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: Rodrick Jones goes because I think that there is some

1369
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: conversations out there or on the league that the league

1370
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: might not be as high on Broderick Jones as the

1371
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: media and some media consensus boards i've seen have have

1372
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: him at in the teens at like eighteen or like

1373
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: fifteen eighteen range. Yeah, you know, he's not somebody that

1374
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: is locked into the top ten by any means. I

1375
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 2: think Paris Johnson and the Cardinals has become the worst

1376
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: kept secret in the league. That seems like that's going

1377
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: to potentially happen. And then I look at a guy

1378
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: like Skoronski who might not be a tackle, but I

1379
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: think a team like I look at Chicago at nine, yeah,

1380
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: and it okay, he might not be a tackle, but

1381
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: he makes the whole line better, right, Like he's a

1382
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 2: Quentin Nelson type of prospect that, yeah he's a guard,

1383
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: but he's such a good guard that the whole line

1384
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: is easier. You know, their jobs are all easier because

1385
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: of Skaransky. So I think that they could still look

1386
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: at that and see it's enough value add at the

1387
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: offensive line position to take a guy like Skoronsky over

1388
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: Broderick Jones. So it's interesting to see her. But I

1389
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: love Nolan Smith too. I'd be happy to make all

1390
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: right over unders. We're gonna do some draft over unders, Alex.

1391
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: You can take us this part of it away.

1392
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I it's not so much over unders. I

1393
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: kind of just wrote this this week. I decided to

1394
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: do some first round history draft research and we'll see

1395
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: if Evan can nail this. And we're gonna get an

1396
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: idea of what a good class or a bad class

1397
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: really means. Right, if we say it's a good year

1398
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: for a position, bad year for a position in the

1399
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: first round, how much does that generally play out? So

1400
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: basically we're gonna do I'm gonna give you the position.

1401
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: And so this is going back to two thousand and two,

1402
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: So this is the thirty two team era, right, some

1403
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: of these the records might be different. You go for

1404
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: the back the most players taken in each position in

1405
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: the first round in that era in a given year. So,

1406
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: for instance, start with quarterbacks. Do we think the most

1407
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks ever take or not ever? The most quarterbacks taken

1408
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: the first round since two thousand and two.

1409
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with six.

1410
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: It's five. It's been done twice.

1411
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: I thought it twenty one was five.

1412
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: Twenty one was five, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance,

1413
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: Dustin Fields, Mac Jones. It was also done in twenty

1414
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: eighteen Baker, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson.

1415
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: Wow, so dose does classes have some whiffs and some

1416
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:15,479
Speaker 2: really really big hits.

1417
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: So quarterbacks maybe not quarterbacks its own thing. Maybe it's

1418
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: not a good way to be like, oh, we say,

1419
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, we said it was a strong class, and

1420
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: it was. And then I'll also, I guess we'll we'll

1421
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: end each position like this, just have some fun. Does

1422
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: that record get broken this year? Yes?

1423
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: Or no?

1424
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: Tied or broken?

1425
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: It's got a it's got a chance to be tied.

1426
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: I think it does. Two.

1427
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: I think it's a chance because of Hooker. Yeah, so

1428
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say tied. Now my question back to you, Yeah,

1429
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 2: who's the second quarter I think we can all Sharpie

1430
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: and Bryce Young to the Carolina Panthers. Who's the second

1431
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 2: quarterback taken in this draft?

1432
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: I still think it's c J. Strout. I do it's

1433
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna be Will Levis, but I still think it's c J. Stroud.

1434
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: So well, it's it's funny you bring that up because

1435
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: if you look at you know the history of these

1436
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: and there's been this thing about the second pick, right

1437
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, Zach Wilson, that the group you want to

1438
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: be in.

1439
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: And I gotta be honest with you, I think that

1440
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: the Houston Texans are thinking that exact thing right now.

1441
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: Is I think they really I think they also were

1442
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: really trying to get Bryce Young.

1443
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too.

1444
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter had I think the Bears or the Panthers

1445
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: GM on a podcast and he said that the Texans

1446
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: were in on the number one pick for sure once

1447
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: they didn't get Bryce Young. I think they looked at

1448
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: it and said, we want Zach Wilson.

1449
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: Like not that, I guess.

1450
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: I just think, like thet the hottest trend in NFL

1451
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 2: team building right now is get a young quarterback and

1452
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: then get one of his college receivers to help him

1453
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 2: make the adjustment.

1454
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: The Texans have that on a platter.

1455
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 3: They do.

1456
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't believe in it, but it's almost like,

1457
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: just do it. I don't think anybody would fault them

1458
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: if it didn't work, right, like we fault the Jets

1459
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: for Zach Wilson because he wasn't the pick. We all

1460
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: knew he wasn't the second best quarterback in that track.

1461
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: I think if they take CJ. Stroud second and the

1462
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: right at JSN later on, Yeah, and he fails, that's

1463
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: more about c J. Stroud than the Texans, isn't it.

1464
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, well no, no, the Texans are a dumpster fire.

1465
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, who knows?

1466
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: All right?

1467
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: All right, running back?

1468
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: Oh so this is since two thousand and two, which

1469
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: is that we're not going back to the days right

1470
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: seventeen running in the first Uh, I'm gonna go three.

1471
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: It's five, wow five. In two thousand and eight, Okay,

1472
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: So NFL team saw the Patriots record breaking offense and said,

1473
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: you know what.

1474
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 2: We need running running backs? Milk the clock baby.

1475
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden fourth overall. Jonathan Stewart thirteenth, Felix Jones, Rashad

1476
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: So twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, Felix Jones, the Cowboys,

1477
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: Rashad Men in Hall of the Broncos, Chris Johnson and

1478
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: the Titans.

1479
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: Wow. So Chris Johnson is really the only like, really

1480
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 2: good player. No, Jonathan Stewart was pretty good player, that's fair.

1481
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 2: But he was there with that that two headed moss.

1482
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, McFadden was pretty good. He got hurt.

1483
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: He was overdrafted of that group.

1484
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: Felix Jones, Rashd Mendenhall, Chris Johnson. It's a it's a

1485
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: bit of a whiff. Does it get broken this year out?

1486
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: Not even close. But there's gonna be two running backs.

1487
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: You think there's gonna be two, So all right, that

1488
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: was gonna be my follow up win or two. But hypothetically,

1489
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: if we were to break that record, just going off

1490
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: the big board, Zach Charbonay, Devin A chain Ty J

1491
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: Spears are going in the first round to tie it,

1492
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: to break it. You're getting Roshawn Johnson in the first round.

1493
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: Do you think Jami or Gibbs goes ahead of Bijon

1494
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: Because I do think there's gonna be some teams that

1495
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: have it that way.

1496
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: I think Gibbs is better, but I think the teams

1497
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 1: that love Beijeon really love Beijeon like they're gonna go

1498
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: up and get him. So I still have Gibbs as

1499
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: my RB one though I do.

1500
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: I love the I actually really love the Eagles in Bjeon.

1501
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 2: That's just such a premium, like we don't actually need

1502
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 2: it over the Eagles and we have no one.

1503
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 1: That's what you do when you're in that spot.

1504
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: That's what you do, Michelle.

1505
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: That's why I had them taking Josh Down's thirtieth overall

1506
01:08:58,800 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: in one of my mock drafts. Same thing.

1507
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 2: They've been sniffing around JSN like kidding me playing then

1508
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 2: and aj BRA.

1509
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: That's a complete group, all right. So we talked before

1510
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: about how the last couple of years wide receiver they're

1511
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: all getting pushed up and up the board. It's the

1512
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: most wide receivers taken in the first round six seven.

1513
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: You want to guess the year.

1514
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 2: There's recent.

1515
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: I'll give you an over under twenty fifteen. I gotta

1516
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: go under, so like since twenty fifteen or before twenty

1517
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: five since twenty fifteen. It was two thousand and four.

1518
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: What Larry Fitzgerald third, Roy Williams seventh, Reggie Williams ninth,

1519
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, Lee Evans thirteenth, Michael Clayton fifteenth, Michael

1520
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: Jenkins twenty nine for Sean Woods thirty first.

1521
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: That is a rough, rough run. Besides, it starts pretty good.

1522
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: So well, it's funny because I actually did some research

1523
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: for this that year and granted the draft has covered

1524
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: totally different now than it was then. People were all

1525
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: hot and bothered about that class, talking about it being

1526
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: one of the greatest wide receiver class of all time?

1527
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: Was it?

1528
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't have the second round or

1529
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: whatever in front of me, but that, uh, that was

1530
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: not the greatest. No, it's not. So six has been

1531
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: done like a handful of time.

1532
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 2: Right. But so the Chase class that Chase was that

1533
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: twenty one.

1534
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: So I remember off the toime I had twenty twenty

1535
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: was five, twenty twenty one was six, and then last

1536
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: year was five.

1537
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 2: So I think twenty twenty one, right, was the Chase

1538
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 2: class that was six. I think that class has a

1539
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: chance to go down as one of the best.

1540
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: So they were. They were one shy and I don't know,

1541
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: maybe a receiver went to the receiver because CD was

1542
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: in that.

1543
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 2: Class, right, Yeah, and Justin Jefferson was in that class.

1544
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: No, Jefferson Chase weren't the same class. Oh they were,

1545
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, because Chase sat out the year.

1546
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was Chase Wattle, DeVante Smith, ceed Lamb.

1547
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: No, Jefferson wasn't in that class this year before. Yeah,

1548
01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: So it's it's Chase Wattle, Smith, Cadarius Tony Rashad Bateman.

1549
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: So that you're five, I combined twenty twenty and twenty.

1550
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: Which would be the class, and then Elijah Moore went

1551
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: thirty fourth, so it almost had it. That is COVID seven.

1552
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: Uh does it top tire break this year?

1553
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 4: No?

1554
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 2: No?

1555
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, not in close? Tight ends four three in two

1556
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: with Jeremy Shockey, Daniel Graham and Jeremy Stevens.

1557
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: That's not bad.

1558
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: It's not a bad class, not bad. And in twenty

1559
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: seventeen with O. J. Howard, Evan Ingram and David Joku,

1560
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: that one was worse. This is worse. Ingram's come around.

1561
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: It's yeah, second contract type thing.

1562
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: Does tider broken this one? I think as a shot

1563
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: it does.

1564
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 2: It is four three three, So I think Mayor and

1565
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: Kincaid are both going in the first round. Right still,

1566
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: I think the rest of those guys are top of

1567
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: the second round.

1568
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so you have it coming up short.

1569
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: I have it coming up short, but it could I

1570
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 2: think it could tie, Like could Darte Washington or Sam

1571
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 2: Laporta one of those guys sneak in, like yeah, thirty

1572
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: first pick, Like maybe it.

1573
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: Is a good shot to tie. I don't think it breaks.

1574
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: It's not gonna break, but a good tie offensive tackle,

1575
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: oh boy. And by the way, so for clarification here,

1576
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: I'm going the position they were listed when they were drafted.

1577
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: So when we get into like edge and stuff, it's

1578
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: how they were listed at the combine. Tackles and guards

1579
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: moved around, it's when they were drafted.

1580
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say eight.

1581
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: It is eight. So two thousand and eight got on

1582
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: and it was two thousand and eight. It was same

1583
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: year as the running backs the O seven Patriots. Then

1584
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: running backs in linemen. Running backs in linemen Jake Long,

1585
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: Ryan Clady, Chris Williams, Brandon Albert, Gausder, Churlis.

1586
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big, big time bust.

1587
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: Jeff OTAs, Sam Baker, Dwayne Brown.

1588
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: Oh dang, they had some busts in that class. Yep,

1589
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: big time. You've kind of seen a theme here, yeah, uh,

1590
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: tire break this year, Paris Johnson, Broder Jones, what do

1591
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 2: we count Are we counting Scaransky as a tackle?

1592
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: He was so he's listed to the Combine as a tackle.

1593
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: That's the that's the right your I U.

1594
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darnel Wright. I think it's gonna go in the

1595
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: first Yeah. I think Anton Harrison has a chance to

1596
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: go in the five. Even if you want to put

1597
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: Dawan Jones in there. Right now, it's six, you still

1598
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: need two tackles just to tie yea.

1599
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: So all right? Interior offensive lineman.

1600
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my favorite position four?

1601
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: It is four. It's happened twice. I bet you think

1602
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: this is back with the running backs, right. One was

1603
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,520
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen Jonathan Cooper.

1604
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 2: Chanyle Long, Travis Frederick and the other one twenty twenty two,

1605
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 2: Key Kenyan Green, Zion Johnson, Tyler Linderbaum. And to tie

1606
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,879
Speaker 2: the record with the twenty ninth overall pick was Col Strange.

1607
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 2: How did that work out?

1608
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: Do any.

1609
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 2: So?

1610
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: Technically the guard record was in twenty thirteen, because there's

1611
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: a center mixed in there. Do any interior offensive linean

1612
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: go in the first round this year?

1613
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. I think Osias Torrence from Florida

1614
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,919
Speaker 2: has a really good chance. I think Avila from TSU

1615
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: has a really good chance. I wouldn't I wouldn't roll

1616
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: out a center like this is a good center class. Yeah,

1617
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: So the Giants don't have a center on their roster

1618
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: right now, like period period, So they might take a

1619
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: sentence like Michael Schmidz or John Michael John Michael Schmidz.

1620
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Whippler from Ohio State.

1621
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Timman's good too, Wisconsin.

1622
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: All right, defensive tackles, uh six? It is six? You

1623
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: know they are? You know they're all.

1624
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I think I might know this is recent. I

1625
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: think I might know the class more than who's all right?

1626
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:35,919
Speaker 1: Give me give me names. I'd be more impressive.

1627
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if I know it.

1628
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: Give me a name that you think is in the class.

1629
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: Do you know Atkins?

1630
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: No, not that recent, than that much more recent? Okay,

1631
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen nineteen Quentin Williams, at Oliver, Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence,

1632
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons, Jerry Tillery.

1633
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good class.

1634
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: That's a good class.

1635
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: Hillary is really the only guy that hasn't like, really

1636
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 2: hit out of that.

1637
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: And he's still like a serviceable player. It is funny

1638
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Simmons when his lazy though he's probably the

1639
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: best player nineteenth. Not only that and only six five

1640
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: in the top twenty. Yeah, God, Jeffrey Simmons went nineteenth.

1641
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: Doesn't get broken this year?

1642
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think Jaalen Carter might be the

1643
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 2: only one.

1644
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: College Cancy might sneak in there.

1645
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't even know what to call him.

1646
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: He's he's Brian Breze. Could get in there too, maybe,

1647
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: but you're.

1648
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: If you're talking, Yeah, he's like a defensive end.

1649
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: All right. Edge rushers nine eight, So this is tied

1650
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: with tackle for the most of a position ever twenty seventeen.

1651
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas Asan Reddick, Derek Barnett, Jonathan Allen, Charles Harris,

1652
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: Tac McKinley, Taco Charlton.

1653
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: T J. Watt not great besides t J. Watt.

1654
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, uh oh yeah, you're right now. Jonathan Allen's

1655
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: pretty good.

1656
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 2: The other yeah, oh yeah. I think of him more

1657
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:46,440
Speaker 2: as a defense.

1658
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: I do too. I guess he tested as an edge

1659
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: I was kind of in robot doing this. Yeah, okay,

1660
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: all right, this year we're gonna see eight edge guys.

1661
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: You keep talking about this edge class E possible, all right,

1662
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: So Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Yeah, Miles Nolan Smith, Lucas

1663
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: van Ness. You gotta find three more to tie it.

1664
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 1: Keon White.

1665
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: Kean White I think could sneak in.

1666
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: Okay, uh Uzoma from Kansas State at a bar a

1667
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: Will McDonald, Will McDonald I think could get in, all right,

1668
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: So that's seven. So you're one short.

1669
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think Haller, Fosky or any

1670
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 2: of those guys gonna So I'm gonna say one. It's

1671
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 2: gonna be one or two short, but it's gonna.

1672
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: Push it it is. Yeah. The linebacker one's stupid. I'll

1673
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: just tell you it's five. But like DeMarcus Ware counted

1674
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: as a linebacker, ies, he's an edge guy, right, But

1675
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: that's why edge was created. Right, It's imperfect. It was

1676
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: two thousand and five and two thousand and nine, and

1677
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be any in the first round this year. Okay,

1678
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: So here's the here's the really interesting in cornerbacks, I'm

1679
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: gonna go with six. It is six. It was in

1680
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yeah, this class didn't exactly pan out. A

1681
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: Kuda got traded for fifth round pick.

1682
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1683
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 1: CJ. Henderson got traded for backup tight end. AJ Terrell

1684
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: isn't all pro, and Damon Arnette and Jeff Gladney were

1685
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: cut for legal reasons. And uh Noah I in Miami

1686
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: has been a healthy.

1687
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 2: Scratch for the last two years. Uh. I think a

1688
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 2: Kudah just in general, is a really good like lesson

1689
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 2: that we actually don't know anything about the draft.

1690
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: I think a Couda's more a lesson that the Lions

1691
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: aren't good at player development. I'm interested to see him

1692
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: in Atlanta this year.

1693
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just that was he was in that category

1694
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: of Witherspoon Gonzales.

1695
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 1: I think it was a category above that can't.

1696
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: Miss, you know, maybe like more like a Denzel Ward

1697
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: just from the end, can't miss prospect, and it just

1698
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 2: fell flat on their faces with.

1699
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: All right, so here we go this year because this

1700
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: one I think, I said, I think tight end might tie,

1701
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: quarterback might tie, this one might break.

1702
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 2: This is six, said six.

1703
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 1: So we've got Gonzales, Witherspoon, Porter in Banks. Those are

1704
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: the four locks to go in the first. The rest

1705
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: of these guys all of a shot to go in

1706
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: the first, but not all of them will Forbes. Yeah,

1707
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: I think Forbes going the Forbes in the first. It

1708
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: gets us to five. Keeley Ringo no, okay, Cam Smith, yes,

1709
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: that gets us to six. Clark Phillips, no, DJ Turner.

1710
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 2: Maybe Pellis Arrow said he's kind of like a sneaky

1711
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: first round.

1712
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: With the combines. So basically the guys we think are locks,

1713
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: then all you need is Clark Phillips, DJ Turner, Keilley

1714
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: Ringo will go in the first and so I think.

1715
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: Killy Ringo has too many flags with his physical you know,

1716
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 2: his stiffness and things like that. Clark Phillips is like

1717
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: five to nine.

1718
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: But if a team really wants a slock corner.

1719
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: That's like that'd be like if Marcus Jones went in

1720
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 2: the first round. But it's like a pack twelve plays.

1721
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1722
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna say ties.

1723
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna say ties. I think it's gonna break.

1724
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: I think teams are gonna get all hot and bothered

1725
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: about these corners.

1726
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 2: Just a great class, all right, safety whatever it is,

1727
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 2: it's not breaking this year. Five four Yeah, so it

1728
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: was uh seven, Lauran Landry, Michael Griffin, Reggie Nelson, Brandon Merriweather.

1729
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: And then in twenty fourteen, listen, I know it didn't

1730
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 2: necessarily like hit hit, but I loved Brandon. I love

1731
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 2: Brandon Merriweather. Brandon Merriweather in London is an all time

1732
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 2: press con and by the way, it will never be taught.

1733
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: You talk about Laura in the boom, him and laurn Landry.

1734
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 1: I hope they were on the same senior ball team

1735
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: that year, Big bangkock, big bank clock. Yeah, come on

1736
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, Calvin Pryor, ha Clinton Dix, Deon Buchanan,

1737
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: Jimmy Ward.

1738
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought, haha, Clinton Dix was gonna be like all.

1739
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 1: Pro I did too forever. Yeah, so it doesn't break

1740
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: this year, it's just Brian. Brian Branch might be the

1741
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: only one that goes in the top fifty.

1742
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, specialists, Oh my god, two zero, didn't s Sebastian

1743
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:51,959
Speaker 2: Janakowski go in the first.

1744
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: Like nineteen ninety six, Sorr, he's two thousand, but still

1745
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, Yeah, you thought that. You don't think in

1746
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: the last twenty years we would remember that kicker and

1747
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: thunder Webb in the same round.

1748
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 2: I thought Janikowski was a little bit older than so.

1749
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: I thought Janikowski when I first put this together, you said, two,

1750
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't think we would.

1751
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: Have remembered a kicker. I don't, all right, I got one, Morphy.

1752
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: I just want to get your temptrono and we'll wrap

1753
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: it up. If that works for you. I said, I

1754
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: have these these like gut call predictions. I just buy

1755
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: or sell. Okay, and I haven't gotten to put this

1756
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: out yet. My take for the first round pick, I'm

1757
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: on all these shows, when do you think of this player?

1758
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 1: That player? Nobody's asked me what I think they're gonna do?

1759
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: What I think? Yeah, it's true. Okay, so we'll do

1760
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 1: the debut.

1761
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna do that. Let's go.

1762
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: There's too much smoke around Zay Flowers to me to

1763
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: write off Zave Flowers. Okay, if that's all just smoke, Yeah,

1764
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: I think they go. Corner, So okay, corner if not

1765
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: save Flowers. You said, nobody asked you what you're gonna do,

1766
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: and then you caveat it with no. That's my take.

1767
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 2: Direction. My take is corner the player. If there's corner.

1768
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: If not save Flowers, Alex Barth are betting your bank

1769
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 2: savings on who.

1770
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: Is Banks Deonta Banks? But corner, okay, corner, if not

1771
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: say Flowers by or sell? Now what you would do?

1772
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: What you think they'll do?

1773
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 2: That's my I guess I'll play the odds and I'll

1774
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: say sell. Okay, because there's just too many other players still,

1775
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's really focused.

1776
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: Multiple offensive tackles drafted in the top one.

1777
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: Fifty by the Patriots.

1778
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are like Patriots specific predictions. Bye bye. Yeah.

1779
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 2: But I think that they will draft somebody like a

1780
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: Tyler Steam that might break card or tackle over in

1781
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 2: the league. But I think that they're gonna that counts. Yeah.

1782
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: Uh, edge and top one hundred. We've discussed this. Yeah,

1783
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: edge and top fifty.

1784
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 2: I think it's it's tough because I think it's either

1785
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 2: going to be it's gonna be way earlier than we

1786
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 2: all expect, or it's gonna be like right where we expect.

1787
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 2: And if it is right where, then it's not top fifty.

1788
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1789
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 2: Like I you know, I said by on top one hundred,

1790
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: I still think that there's a chance that they take

1791
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: a guy like Tyres Wheat in the fourth round, you know,

1792
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 2: just like one of their type of guys that they

1793
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: worked with at the Shrine Bowl. I'm gonna say, but

1794
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: sell on top fifty, I think we're I've kind of

1795
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: jazzed up just because I love this edge class and

1796
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 2: if a guy like Tyree Wilson slips or even if

1797
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: a Nolan Smith, if they if they can convince themselves

1798
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: into it. I like the pick, but I think that

1799
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 2: it's gonna end up being something in the fourth round.

1800
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: All Right, we already talked about the tight end one.

1801
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna take a tight end later than

1802
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: we expect, and it's gonna be somebody we haven't been

1803
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: talking about. Okay, these are the so then I did.

1804
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: These are the three positions I think they're gonna take

1805
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: higher than we're all talking about. Okay, get ready to

1806
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: roll your eyes. Quarterback, higher, higher than we expect quarterback.

1807
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 2: Okay. So the expectation right now is like those one

1808
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 2: eighty picks. I think they're gonna take quarterback and fourth

1809
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: round like they always do. I think that they might

1810
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: take dtr in the fourth Yeah.

1811
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: Running back, and they're gonna take a running back.

1812
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 2: Same thing.

1813
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: I think you're gona take a running back in the

1814
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 1: fourth round.

1815
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 3: There.

1816
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 2: Fourth rounds fine, but by yourself that they're for running.

1817
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 2: I'm buying it. But the fourth round for running is

1818
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: exactly when you should take a running Okay, So let

1819
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 2: me put it this way, hundred percent, like where I

1820
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 2: know they took Damien Harris in the third round, but

1821
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 2: Damien Harris in the third, Remondre in the fourth, Pierre

1822
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 2: Strong in the fourth.

1823
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect, So exactly they have one oh seven one seventeen,

1824
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: one thirty five and then it jumps like one to

1825
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: eighty one.

1826
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1827
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: I'm saying by the end of pick one thirty five,

1828
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: they will have taken a running back by yourself, uh,

1829
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, defensive tackle, I think higher and expected, you

1830
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: think higher than expect? Yeah, I think that they they

1831
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: go for one of these top tier defensive tackles. I'm

1832
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: gonna sell that, Sell that, okay, Yeah, and then the

1833
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: ones I think lower and expected offensive tackle.

1834
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna buy that.

1835
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: Okay. I think they could wait till seventy six.

1836
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 2: I like that third fourth round double dip like they

1837
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 2: did with the corners last year. Safety higher lower lower, Yeah. Yeah, okay,

1838
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: tight end all right, we're already kind of discuss that.

1839
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: And if they don't take Zay Flowers wide receiver, oh,

1840
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 2: take za Flowers are taking a wide receiver until the

1841
01:23:59,040 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: sixth round.

1842
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: Yep. That's that's what I've been trying to tell you people.

1843
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, if they do that, can it be Tomorrio

1844
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: Douglas because at least it's a fun six.

1845
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: You need to Mario Douglas or Justin Shorter to whatever

1846
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: kind of receiver they want.

1847
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 2: So your your mortgage, your your life savings is on

1848
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: Deontay Banks.

1849
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: No, but that's the guy I think is most likely.

1850
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 2: I just said, what's what's your life savings on it?

1851
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: You have to put your life saving break down?

1852
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: No, you can't say that. I think you're a trade

1853
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: down name. I feel more confident that they're going to

1854
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: take a trade down the name play all right.

1855
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 2: Name a player that is you're most likely to take.

1856
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: Take it with their first pick in the draft. Life

1857
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: savings is on it, It's all right.

1858
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: I think it's Deontay Banks. But I'm like ten percent

1859
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: sure of that. But that's more percent sure than I

1860
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: am of any other player.

1861
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 2: We're all ten percent sure of any of this.

1862
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: All right, Deontay Banks.

1863
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 2: If I had to put my life savings on it,

1864
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: which is not much, let me tell you. But if

1865
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 2: I had to put my life savings on it, I'm

1866
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 2: gonna say, Zay, Yeah, I mean I I life savings

1867
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: on it. There's just there's just enough smoke. Yeah, they

1868
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 2: worked with him at the Shrine Bowl. I think they

1869
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 2: wanted to work with him at the Shrine Bowl. They

1870
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,480
Speaker 2: brought him in for the extended visit with Bill O'Brien

1871
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: that I don't know if there's a single first round

1872
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: caliber player that they know more about right than Zay Flowers.

1873
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: So they have a better background on than Zay Flowers.

1874
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 2: There's just nobody else at the Shrine Bowl that is

1875
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 2: worthy of a really probably a top fifty pick quite frankly,

1876
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 2: sorry Eric, but I I just feel like there's there's

1877
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,560
Speaker 2: nobody else that they have done as much homework on

1878
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 2: in the top of the draft. If I had to

1879
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 2: take Zay Flowers the field, I'm definitely taking the field.

1880
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, I had to take one player, I

1881
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 2: think it's.

1882
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: I was between Banks and Flowers. So now I'm glad

1883
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: I said Banks, as we there you go, who would

1884
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 1: you take? Let's close it out like this, because we

1885
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: do the whole thing about my whole thing right about.

1886
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: Nobody cares what we would do. It's what they're gonna do.

1887
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: Who would you take? Forget their trends, they forget their

1888
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: say Flowers, Yeah, I think i'd take what I think

1889
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: I'd still take one of the corners. I I think

1890
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 1: the corners are they I'm sick of watching them get

1891
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: get beat by Stefan Diggs. I want a true shutdown corner.

1892
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 2: That's very fair, and I think there's definitely something to

1893
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: be said for that. We all understand what it's deefon Gilmour,

1894
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 2: what a Darrell Reeve is a ty lock? And do

1895
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 2: for their defense?

1896
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: I well, wait, is Paris? Are we considering Paris Johnson?

1897
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: No shot on the board?

1898
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals are taking him somewhere.

1899
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so three eight, I would say Paris Johnson if

1900
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: he was there. I really like Paris Johnson.

1901
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 4: I do.

1902
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm sprinting, I have to wrap. Yeah, But I think

1903
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are trapped at three. I kind of feel

1904
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: that way too in the last couple of days, started

1905
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: to feel that.

1906
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 2: Way because nobody is dying to trade up for one

1907
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks right now. And I think they're trapped

1908
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 2: at three, and I think they end up just taking

1909
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 2: Paris Johnson at three.

1910
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: Will Anderson so good, and it's it's john and Gann

1911
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: is a defensive coach. I know you don't have a

1912
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: quarterback this year to protect anyway, right Kyler. I'm not

1913
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: complain it's hurt.

1914
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 2: How long are we giving Jonathan Cannon, Well.

1915
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: He's got to pick, assuming he's gonna have the Ye.

1916
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: It's like Kevin kneeling and in Happy Gilmore. Remember it's

1917
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: like focus clarity. Hey, whatever, it's bad, it's so bad

1918
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: it teams that you. Will Anderson should be the first

1919
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: non quarterback off the board. Yeah, Willy Anderson should be.

1920
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, Christian Gonzales should be the second

1921
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: defensive player taken.

1922
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 2: Okay over Jailing Carter.

1923
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, should be.

1924
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 2: Not will be is gonna take Weatherspoon first in the corner.

1925
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: That would be hilarious to think they are get like

1926
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 1: gonzoals fall the fourteen.

1927
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Speaker 2: So this is what I'm gonna wrap it on. I've

1928
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 2: workshop this with you a little bit, and I really

1929
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: feel this way. I do not think the Patriots football

1930
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 2: personnel department cares one iota about what I am about

1931
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 2: to say. Okay, but I think and I'm just talking

1932
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: for me. I I'm not saying that I've heard this

1933
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: or anything like that. Strictly talking from my gut feeling

1934
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:10,839
Speaker 2: about things. I think that there is a general sentiment

1935
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 2: that this draft needs to create some buzz. And I'm

1936
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 2: not talking about buzz like they need to take Will

1937
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: Levis right, like I'm talking this draft needs to take

1938
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,879
Speaker 2: some get some buzz going because they got the football

1939
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 2: got its draft last year.

1940
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they got cold.

1941
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Strange and they got the corners that they want and

1942
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 2: they got Taekwon like they got their draft last year.

1943
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: This draft, to me feels a lot like the twenty

1944
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 2: one draft where whoever mister Craft walks onto the field

1945
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 2: on Friday with to present to the media and do

1946
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: the whole you know, ceremonial jersey on the on Ngele

1947
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 2: Stadium field. That has to be somebody that the fan

1948
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 2: base can go out tomorrow and buy their jersey at

1949
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 2: the Patriots pro shop. Somebody that is going to generate

1950
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 2: some excitement going into training camp, like the Patriots have

1951
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: a wait a seton and they have this player now,

1952
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: like all of a sudden, we're starting to cook with

1953
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: some gas. Right. The only two guys in this draft

1954
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 2: that do that for me are JS Enters A Flowers. Now,

1955
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 2: I was surprised that a lot of people on PU

1956
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: and some people emailed in saying that Corner does that

1957
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 2: for them, that like a really good shutdown corner like

1958
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 2: a Revis type, like a Gilmour type, excites them.

1959
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 1: I think it does.

1960
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 2: It's fun to watch. I think as we look at

1961
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: the teams these people grew up watching, it makes a

1962
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: lot of sense.

1963
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: We've all seen it.

1964
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 2: But I think that the as much as the Patriots

1965
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: picking high in the first round at fourteen, as much

1966
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 2: as it makes it feel like a trench pick, I

1967
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 2: just don't think that even if it's like a big

1968
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 2: name tackle, even if it's Broderick Jones, no one's buying

1969
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: a Broderick Jones jersey, no offense to Broderick Jones. It's

1970
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman. No one's gonna walk walk around unless

1971
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 2: it's ten years from now and he's Matt Lte and

1972
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 2: he's going into the Patriots Hall of Fame, and you

1973
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: start to like the player, like it's not gonna happen overnight.

1974
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 2: I think that there has There is a little bit

1975
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 2: of a push, and again it's just a gut feeling.

1976
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 2: There is a little bit of a push to generate

1977
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 2: some buzz coming out of this weekend, just because I

1978
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 2: think that that level of excitement not only gets fans

1979
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 2: in the seats and gets an interest back in the

1980
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 2: team and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I also

1981
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,759
Speaker 2: think that that confidence in that level of excitement exudes

1982
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 2: into the room a little bit. And right now, other

1983
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: than Bill O'Brien being back in the building, I don't

1984
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: know if there's something that this locker room can look

1985
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 2: at and say we're getting somewhere now, like we're we

1986
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: could win Yere but we believe we're buying into this.

1987
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: They need to pick that makes people buy into the

1988
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 2: program again. And Matthew Judon went on NFL Network, I

1989
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 2: think it was and said Quentin Johnston, I don't think

1990
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 2: it was a mistake that he named a receiver. I'm

1991
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 2: not Quentin Johnson guy every but he knows that that's

1992
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 2: Judan's opinion, right, But I don't think it's a total

1993
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 2: mistake that he named a receiver and he mentions things

1994
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: like this like we need somebody that's gonna bring our

1995
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,959
Speaker 2: offense to that next level. It's gonna bring some excitement

1996
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 2: to our offense and things like that. I don't think

1997
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: that that can be totally lost because football might not

1998
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 2: care about it from a position standpoint, but the general

1999
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 2: I don't know that the bravado of the locker room,

2000
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 2: right like, just the general confidence in that locker room.

2001
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 2: That's a factor because I look at teams and I

2002
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 2: and I know we're really up against it, but I

2003
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 2: look at teams like the Bruins right now, that team

2004
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 2: has one hundred buy in from up and down the roster.

2005
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 2: They're there, their vibes are immaculate. It's off the charts,

2006
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 2: and that's why they're They can take Patrice Bergon out

2007
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 2: of the lineup and they're still winning, right like that.

2008
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 2: That's why is because everybody is pulling the rope in

2009
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 2: the same direction, and that's where the Patriots to get.

2010
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: I think Ed Nelman and that twenty twenty one, we

2011
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: saw firsthand how excited those guys were for Mac Jones,

2012
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: right for the journey he was on as a rookie

2013
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 1: and kind of stepping in the spotlight and becoming the

2014
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 1: NFL player. I'm not saying that they weren't like that

2015
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: with Cole Strange. I think a lot of the linemen

2016
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: really were. But it's it's different that just the nature

2017
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: of the position. It's different you were a receiver. I

2018
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: think we saw last year how excited guys were for

2019
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton right when he got back from the injury,

2020
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: had that game in Cleveland. I think that's kind of

2021
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: what you're describing. Ye, a rookie can be a guy

2022
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: to rally around. The one thing I'll add to what

2023
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: you said. You kind of talked about the external element

2024
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: of it. Won two playoff games in the last four years,

2025
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: haven't won one. Only one of them has been at home.

2026
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: You're on the verge of potentially having hit the reset button.

2027
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: They only have I think it's thirty five players under

2028
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: contract beyond it for twenty twenty four. Yeah, you know

2029
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: they got a decision looming on MAC. You've got guys

2030
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: core players Matthew Judon, Kyle Duggar, josh U j Ramandrie Stevenson,

2031
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Mike Wenwindo, those contracts are coming up. If it doesn't

2032
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: go well this year, they are set up very well

2033
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: next year to blow the whole thing up. Hit a

2034
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: full reset. And for the guys in this court, and

2035
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 1: by the way, the coaches too. Yeah, you don't want

2036
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: your group reset on. This is your group, that's your boys,

2037
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: that's who you're with, that's your room. They've got to

2038
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: give this group a chance. This is the last chance

2039
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: this group has to make an impression, and it's up

2040
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: to the draft staff, the coaches, the front offs personnel

2041
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: to give this group every asset possible to make that

2042
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: final argument as to why they should move forward with

2043
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: this core rather than hit reset.

2044
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So that's why I I as much as I

2045
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: don't absolutely love this receiver class either, that's why I can't.

2046
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 2: I can't rule out receiver by any means, because that's

2047
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 2: just that's the pick that brings some excitement back to

2048
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 2: the team both internally and externally, which I think is

2049
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 2: more a factor for full ball obviously internally. So Alex

2050
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,560
Speaker 2: and I are we unfortunately are gonna have to go

2051
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 2: our separate ways for the actual draft itself this year,

2052
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 2: which is which is bumming me out a little bit.

2053
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 2: But we're gonna be back on Patriots Catch twenty two

2054
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 2: I think on Thursday next week at the normal time

2055
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 2: where we're going to recap the entire draft from one

2056
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 2: to round seven. We might be here for like six

2057
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 2: hours morel So just prepare yourself up for that. But

2058
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: it was just a taste, but that's that's what we're

2059
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 2: gonna be doing. So back on Thursday, I will be

2060
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: on the live Draft shows this weekend Thursday, Friday, Saturday

2061
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 2: here on Patriots dot com. Alex, I'm sure you're doing

2062
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 2: stuff with that.

2063
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: I we got to see what happens with the Celtics,

2064
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: but at real Alex Barth on Twitter, I'll have updates there.

2065
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 2: Awesome. So we'll see you guys next week. We'll actually

2066
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 2: see you. Today was just audio, but we'll see you

2067
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 2: guys next week and happy Draft. Thanks for listening, everybody.

2068
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2069
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