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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: Is that whoo whoom and Dan.

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Speaker 1: And Tie welcome back to the solid Burbo boys and girls.

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Speaker 1: My name is Ty Hildebrand. Joining me still from the

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Speaker 1: far side of the USA. My man Dan Rubinstein, sunny

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Speaker 1: southern California. He is informed me that it is summery

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Speaker 1: cold still here on the East coast. Daniel, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I didn't want to rub that in because

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Speaker 2: I know throughout the Midwest and the East Coast weather

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Speaker 2: make you feel bad. But it's pretty great.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, So welcome one and all. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for stopping on by. Hope. Everyone is

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Speaker 1: doing well and washing their hands and staying as healthy

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Speaker 1: for temperature. Thank you again for subscribing. If you're out there,

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Speaker 1: you can find the solid verbal. We are going to

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Speaker 1: long that might be. Eventually we're going to play a season, Dan,

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Speaker 1: will continue in our normal cadence talking about college football.

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Speaker 1: But until then, we, like the rest of you out there,

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Speaker 1: What we've been doing is rewatching old games, yes, and

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Speaker 1: out a call on social media, Daniel, for lingering college

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Speaker 2: This is correct, And if you can play the eight

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Speaker 2: bit version of the Cranberry's hit song linger underneath my

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Speaker 2: I it's a good way around, I think, getting into

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Speaker 2: will just say, as we were doing these recaps, these

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Speaker 1: AMA is taking place on Thursday. Again, if you listen

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Speaker 1: Let's let something linger. Dan, you get to go first,

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Speaker 1: This was a solid This is an underrated Iowa team

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Speaker 2: on a national stage. Iowa wasn't there. Great season. Iowa

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Speaker 1: And for what it's worth, that was the best offense

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Speaker 1: Iowa football. I haven't done the full you know it

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Speaker 1: that in a heartbeat. This is a very good Iowa team.

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Speaker 2: the two thousand and two iowah haw guys and denigrading

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Speaker 2: they're really impressive accomplishments. I'm going to go so disagree

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Speaker 2: Yeah, took it to took it to Penn State and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So fun season, good team, just not quite as

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Speaker 2: You want to stick with USC related things with Marty

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, this is this is a fun one. So

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Speaker 1: And yes, so I get what he's saying. I kind

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Speaker 2: Go with it, I will still insist. My lingering take

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, where do you want to go next?

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Speaker 1: This was a very different generation of football, and when

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Speaker 2: I fell in love all over again with Charlie Ward

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Speaker 1: Would Charlie Ward have done in a modern spread zone

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Speaker 1: He was incredible, Yeah, absolutely incredible on the college football level.

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Speaker 1: Fast forward to the game. Notre Dame out played Florida

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Speaker 2: I liked by the way all of the old attempts

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Speaker 1: Ty So what happens. Florida State wins, they had lost

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I understand they lost the week after that

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Speaker 1: Florida State victory, and I think if the game against

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Speaker 1: Florida State would have taken a bit of a different track,

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Speaker 1: I would have agreed or could have found it within

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Speaker 1: myself to agree with Florida State as the unanimous national champion.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that when they played on the field,

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame out played Florida State. They all played them.

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Speaker 2: Well they played at Notre Dame. The argument for Florida

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Speaker 2: State would have been a lot stronger if they comfortably

444
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Speaker 2: beat Nebraska, if they left no doubt that. Okay, this

445
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Speaker 2: is the way the polls shook out, and they faced

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Speaker 2: this Nebraska team who has earned their way here, right

447
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Speaker 2: and easy wins twenty eight to ten, then it's more difficult.

448
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Speaker 2: But if you squeak by and Notre Dame's comfortably winning,

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Speaker 2: and this is an era of split national championships. And

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Speaker 2: I also did, by the way, like when you go

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Speaker 2: back and read everything, I'm not gonna say it's the

452
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Speaker 2: birth of It's probably far from that. But it was

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Speaker 2: a lot of narrative narrative narrative right about Bobby Bowden

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Speaker 2: finally getting a national championship and people feeling bad and

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Speaker 2: that's ultimately why they were the standalone champs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I go back. I also rewatched the

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Speaker 1: large chunks of that ninety three game, and Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: was better. They were better on that day. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what happens is they played ten times, they be

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Speaker 1: with the backup quarterback on that day, they were very good.

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Speaker 1: They were the better team on the field. They beat

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Speaker 1: him with a backup quarterback. They beat nearly everybody with

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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I like their running back, by the way, Lee Lee

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Speaker 2: Beckton what was it? Yeah, Lee, back then he ran

466
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Speaker 2: with purpose. I liked him.

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Speaker 1: Number four very very good. I wholeheartedly agree with this one,

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Speaker 1: and if I could give it six ees, I would

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Speaker 1: at a minimum, at a minimum, they should have been

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Speaker 1: a co champ. The fact that they were not a

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Speaker 1: co champion was a huge, huge misstep by the voters.

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I agree wholeheartedly. Notre Dame should

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Speaker 1: have at least had a share.

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Speaker 2: You get three e's agree from me. Let's go more modern.

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Speaker 2: Chris wants to know or Chris is lingering? Take thanks Cranberry's.

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Speaker 2: If Colt McCoy doesn't get hurt, Texas beats Bama in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, So.

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Speaker 2: That's early January twenty ten, the National Championship game, which

480
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Speaker 2: Colt McCoy gets hurt very early on. Garrett Gilbert does

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Speaker 2: his very best but also throws I think the number

482
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: is four interceptions, finishes fifteen of forty. Texas does close

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Speaker 2: it to a three point game with a couple minutes left,

484
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Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty one, but a Garrett Gilbert led

485
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Speaker 2: Longhorn offense just can't do enough against a very good

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Speaker 2: Alabama defense. In Nick Saban's third season as head coach

487
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Speaker 2: for the Tide, and Alabama wins their first national championship

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Speaker 2: under Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you remember watching this game?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: I remember feeling horrible for Colt McCoy because, you know,

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Speaker 1: say what you want about Colt McCoy if you are

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Speaker 1: a Texas fan or not a Texas fan, but he

494
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Speaker 1: was a likable, a liking a personality in college football,

495
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Speaker 1: just very unassuming. Obviously had the numbers and the talent

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Speaker 1: to back it up. And you know, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: NFL is a different universe. We don't got to go

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Speaker 1: there with it. But Colt McCoy on the college level

499
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Speaker 1: was so so good and so so likable. And to

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Speaker 1: see him in a huge game like this kind of

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Speaker 1: a million games, yeah, one a million games. To see

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Speaker 1: him sort of go off the field with a mysterious injury.

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Speaker 1: It didn't look like it was all that serious in

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00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: the moment, right, Like he took a shot, but it did.

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Speaker 2: It did run sort of an option gets hit hard. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like his knee bent backwards or something strange happened.

507
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: He just he took a shot. It was very nondescript

508
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: and to see him there on the sidelines and have

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Speaker 1: to watch that game as a college football fan with

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Speaker 1: him not in there. Even if you were an Alabama

511
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: fan at the time, like you had, you had to

512
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Speaker 1: have some feelings about that, right mm.

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Speaker 2: Hm oh yeah, No, nobody wants to win, and of

514
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: course those games is a neutral observer when a quarterback

515
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Speaker 2: gets hurt really early on and the backup is either

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Speaker 2: somebody who's just not on the level, or in Gret

517
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Speaker 2: Gilbert's case, both that and a true freshman thrust into

518
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: this enormous situation. That game goes from lasting three hours

519
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: to eleven. You're just feeling bad from the whole time.

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Speaker 2: It's tough.

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Speaker 1: I think we may disagree on this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a standard two E disagree between us, But yeah, continue.

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Speaker 1: I think I think we may disagree, So you're right.

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Speaker 1: Grett Gilbert comes in after Colt McCoy's arm. He says

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Speaker 1: one of the interviews, I think during the game, or

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Speaker 1: after the game, or shortly there after the game, his

527
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: arm just went dead. It was dumb. Garrett Gilbert comes in,

528
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Speaker 1: He goes fifteen to forty. He throws four picks. Clearly

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Speaker 1: the backup not better than the starter. In this case

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Speaker 1: fair to.

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Speaker 2: Say, yes, yes, I would agree to.

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Speaker 1: People forget how dynamic that Colt McCoy Jordan Shipley connection was.

533
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Shipley caught one hundred and sixteen balls that year,

534
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixteen balls. Now, it was a Texas

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Speaker 1: offense that centered around the passing game.

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Speaker 2: Well, even further, it was a Texas offense that centered

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Speaker 2: around Colt McCoy to Jordan Shipley, which.

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Speaker 1: Is why you have those numbers, right for sure, right, yeah,

539
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: But the fact that they were that good was really something.

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00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: The numbers were incredible. They had some playmakers on defense.

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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas had eight picks that year, Blake Gideon had

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Speaker 1: six picks. So it was a good text. Sergio Kindle,

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Speaker 1: I remember we talked about him at length. I remember

544
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Speaker 1: when he was recruited. Like the whole thing. It was

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Speaker 1: a good Texas team. Here's the thing, though, Texas beat

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Speaker 1: three ranked teams all year, and they squeaked by two

547
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Speaker 1: of them.

548
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, literal last second in the Big twelfth championship game

549
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Speaker 2: against Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Bama beat three top ten teams, five ranked teams

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Speaker 1: in total. Jeff Sagarin said that Bama had the toughest

552
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Speaker 1: schedule in the country, and that Bama team was freaking

553
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: loaded to the gills. I mean every position loaded to

554
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Speaker 1: the gills. Greg McElroy, mark.

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Speaker 2: Ingram, I'm already going to disagree with five ees. He

556
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Speaker 2: was talking about loaded your voices going up. Tie.

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Speaker 1: It's a tell he was a good quarterback in college.

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was a good quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Tie, very good talking poor Man's Ken Dorsey.

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Speaker 1: Mark Ingram won the Highs. Trent richards Great, Trent Richardson.

562
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Speaker 1: I'm getting flustered here. That's why I mess his name up,

563
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: whom we once argued could kill a horse by running

564
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Speaker 1: full speed at it. Julio Jones, Rolando mcclaim, Marcel Darius,

565
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Speaker 1: Mark Baron, Terrence Cody, Cody, Javier Arenas, Dante Hi Young,

566
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Speaker 1: Dante high Tower. This is a road team. Yeah, so

567
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Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. I understand where Chris

568
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: is coming from. Who sent this into us? There was

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Speaker 1: a point in this game where, despite all of Garrett

570
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Speaker 1: Gilbert's shortcomings, they did narrow the lead to what twenty

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Speaker 1: four to twenty one.

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00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, with a couple minutes left and the ball. But

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Speaker 2: we don't need to talk about what happened immediately in

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Speaker 2: that moment.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this was a Bama team that went up

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Speaker 1: early after the injury. They were in cruise control Dan

577
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: and they let Texas back into it. I contend if

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Speaker 1: they cared the whole way through, if they played hard

579
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: the whole way through, if they weren't just trying to

580
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: run clock, they win comfortably. This is a better team.

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Speaker 1: Remember that Texas offense when they went up against some

582
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: legit defenses how to squeak out wins. Their offense was

583
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: shut down, not a lot, but enough against this particular

584
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Speaker 1: Alabama defense. If they are forced to play the whole

585
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Speaker 1: way through, I like their chances at shutting down that

586
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: that McCoy to Shipley connection, and I still think they win.

587
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: They didn't do a great job of shutting down the

588
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: Gilbert to McCoy connection because they didn't have no no

589
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: hold on. They tried to. They didn't let him run

590
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Speaker 2: free here on twice. Come on, so listen. The reason

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say agree with one e. So perhaps

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Speaker 2: I'm saying I agree. That's how tepid my agreement to

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00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: Chris's take is because Gary Gilbert threw what looked to

594
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: be a perfect touchdown pass to Malcolm Williams that was dropped.

595
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: Colt McCoy perhaps throws as good a pass, but it

596
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: was probably going to be dropped again. So perhaps Texas

597
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: is not converting obvious choice to obvious opportunities. But twenty

598
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: four to twenty one, with a quarterback who is not

599
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: completing anywhere near fifty percent of his passes, who is

600
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: playing scared, who clearly Greg Davis the offensive coordinator, is

601
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: not trusting to go downfield consistently against Alabama. Colt McCoy,

602
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: even average Colt McCoy, who took a step back without

603
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: Kwan Cosby at receiver in two thousand and nine, they

604
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: were a better team in Oa offensively. Even all of

605
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: that said, I think Colt McCoy finds a way to

606
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: turn the ball over less. And you say Alabama's on

607
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Speaker 2: cruise control the number of three and outs in the

608
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Speaker 2: second half. They're not trying to play clock the start

609
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Speaker 2: of the third quarter. They're trying to win a national

610
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: championship decisively. We know this about Nick Saban, He's not

611
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: crazy conservative, even though he was more so inwand and

612
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: I am positive if Texas were to have more dudes

613
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: simply more dudes on offense. It was like there was

614
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Speaker 2: kind of a dude depression for this Texas offense outside

615
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Speaker 2: of I guess Colt McCoy and Jordan Shipley. You look

616
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: at the running back and the rest of the receivers

617
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: and tight ends not on the level they were in

618
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Speaker 2: two thousand and five. I think Colt McCoy average. Colt

619
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Speaker 2: McCoy his light years beyond what Garrett Gilbert looked like

620
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: as a deer in the headlights headlights against Alabama. So

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I agree.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I I still Greg McElroy was

623
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: not good in this game. Okay, he was full on

624
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: not good whatever.

625
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: He didn't need to be, he didn't need to well,

626
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: he fulfilled that obligation of not needing to be good.

627
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: He didn't need to be. This is a Bama team,

628
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: a defense that was on cruise control. They ripped off

629
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: what twenty four unanswered or consecutive points whatever it was.

630
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: Sure in the second quarter they were on cruise control.

631
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: They felt they had the game in hand. Texas kept throwing,

632
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: not all that successfully, but enough to inch their way

633
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: back into it. And then, as you said, we don't

634
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: have to talk about what happened after the game got

635
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: to twenty four to twenty one? BAMA won? What thirty

636
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: seven to twenty one?

637
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? They I think it's the scoop and score right away.

638
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: It's Marcel Darius. Yeah.

639
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: I still I can tend Bama would have won anyway.

640
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: So I disagree with three e's.

641
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: Can we both agree with five e's to the next one?

642
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: I'm almost positively will okay. James Franklin, former Missouri quarterback,

643
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: not that casual dress does casual address. James Franklin does

644
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: not get the credit he deserves and mrcxad I hope

645
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: this is somebody's password. A user on Reddit goes through

646
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: all of his impressive stats. He also said he played

647
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: great in the twenty thirteen SEC Championship game, with three

648
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: hundred and three yards passing, really good receivers from zoom

649
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: on that team, three passing touchdowns, sixty two yards in

650
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: a rushing touchdown. Not his fault. The Missouri defense couldn't

651
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: figure out how to stop Auburn's offense. I believe that's

652
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: a Nick Marshall Trey Mason National Championship birth offense. I

653
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: agree five you. He was just a complete joy to

654
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: watch and gave us and gave you one of your

655
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 2: very favorite nicknames in solid verbal.

656
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: Lore, casual dress James Franklin. So James Franklin. My lasting

657
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: memory of him was when he would drop back in

658
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: the pocket or when he would take a snap. Whenever

659
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: he got the ball, he was almost behaving as if

660
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: the play had been blown dead. Very casual, back there

661
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: in the pocket, very casual, not a care in the world,

662
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: put up numbers. Always looked like he was unprepared for

663
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Speaker 1: the play.

664
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Speaker 2: That's the David Yost quarterback tutelage. That's the thing.

665
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. So I think we agree he was great for sure.

666
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: He was watching those MISSOO teams. Next item, next item here.

667
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, A and M could have won the national title

668
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: in the twenty twelve season if they had beaten Florida

669
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Speaker 1: in the first game.

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Speaker 2: Mhm.

671
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Speaker 1: The reddit user wr Revelle says also that team may

672
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Speaker 1: have had one of the greatest college offensive lines of

673
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: all time. That was a Jake Matthews anchored offensive line.

674
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Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah, very offensive.

675
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely Yeah, cop picks at least.

676
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: This was the Manziel Evans connection.

677
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

678
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: This is the team that beat Alabama twenty nine to

679
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Speaker 1: twenty four.

680
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: I want to say, what do you know about Ryan Swape?

681
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: Tye? Ryan Swape had an illustrious career at the college level. Yep,

682
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: really good college receiver. Manziel had himself an unbelievable season.

683
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Neutral Site, according to to Bill Connolly's SMP plus at

684
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: the time, says that A and M would have been

685
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: about an eight point dog if they had played Alabama. Again,

686
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: that's according to the final s and P plus standings.

687
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: I think that number would have come down because people

688
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: would have loved to have bet on Johnny Manziel in

689
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: that game, right, Like, it wouldn't have been more than

690
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: six and a half by kick.

691
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: That sounds right.

692
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: How do you feel about this?

693
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: I mean, this is Johnny Manziel as a red shirt

694
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: freshman and by the end of the season, Yeah, you

695
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: can talk me into it. The defense was inconsistent and

696
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: they I think they just murdered Oklahoma, which I don't

697
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: know how much you can look into at this point.

698
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: Murdering Oklahoma is just sort of a thing really good

699
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: teams should do by the end of the year. But

700
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: I understand the case, and I would have loved to

701
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: have seen it. So I'm gonna say I disagree, but

702
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: only with the single two E's not not enthusiastic. But

703
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: you lose too. It's tough.

704
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: I disagree with with four E'SE. Wow, Yeah, I don't.

705
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they could have won the national title

706
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: if they defense. Yeah, I don't know. I just I'm

707
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: not feeling this one. What I am feeling, though, is

708
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: what it was like to live through that season. Now

709
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 1: I say that, I say that as a Notre Dame fan,

710
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: and if you've listened to this show for any length

711
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: of time, you know that we went down to Miami.

712
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: We couldn't get tickets to get into the game. We

713
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: were unwilling to pay nine hundred dollars for the last

714
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: row of the stadium. We watched from our hotel room

715
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: and I fell asleep before halftime. That's the kind of

716
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: game it was, and my team was playing in its

717
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: first title game in years. So that's what we had

718
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: as the culmination for the season. You could make a

719
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: really good case that this Texas A and M team

720
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: was the best singular story of the twenty twelve season.

721
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: That man's Heell campaign, the way he burst onto the scene.

722
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: We were calling a man zeal for the first four

723
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Speaker 1: weeks of the year. That was singularly, in my mind,

724
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Speaker 1: the best story that year.

725
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Speaker 2: In the way that two thousand and seven had all

726
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Speaker 2: these remarkably wild things, twenty twelve, I guess had Line Kakua.

727
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: But twenty twelve was just a remarkable season in terms

728
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: of just cool things happening. One of those had to

729
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 2: have been Johnny Manzil.

730
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Johnny Manziel. I mean, whatever came of his future,

731
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: be damned that he was as a college football story,

732
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: as cool and excitable and as just entertaining as you're

733
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: ever going to find in the sport. Yeah, ridiculous. So

734
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: a national championship to me is a bridge too far.

735
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: But as for favorite story, maybe outside my own team

736
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: going to the national championship game, it absolutely was a

737
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Speaker 1: and M that twenty twelve team. I will forever remember

738
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Speaker 1: that year. Just a great, great team, a great great story.

739
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was also Alabama winning last second against Georgia

740
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: in the SEC Championship game. Aaron Murray, that was you

741
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: have TC Oklahoma close late. There was all sorts of

742
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: fun stuff, especially later on in that season. Weirdly, Oregon

743
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: State is a top fifteen team. There's all sorts of

744
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: wonderful things happening. Let's go quickly to Nicholas, who fired

745
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: off two. I think pretty great lingering takes ty. Okay,

746
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: he says the worst team, the worst team, excuse me.

747
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: Both that night and throughout the course of the season

748
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: won the title game for both the twenty fifteen to

749
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen seasons. So he is saying Alabama and Clemson

750
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: should have flip flopped one winning their national champions national championships.

751
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: Okay, and I think I.

752
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: Disagree with four or five e's. I appreciate the stones

753
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: it takes. In the first attempt to beat Alabama, Clemson

754
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: let Oj Howard run basically untouched two or three times.

755
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: They give up the on side kick that is now

756
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: just cannon in college football. Is just an incredible moment.

757
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson, as incredibly as he is, he throws a

758
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: very bad interception. They also allow a like one hundred

759
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: yard kick return for a touchdown. You know, I love

760
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: talking about moments and winning the moments. Tim I am

761
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: the moment, minister, I will preach, and Clemson thoroughly lost

762
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: the moments, as fun as they were, as amazing as

763
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson will always be in the minds of college

764
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: football fans, They were not the better team. Better teams

765
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: win moments, and as vulnerable as that offense may have

766
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: been at times, even with Derrick Henry, this was a

767
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: Jake Koker year. Yeah, this was a This was a

768
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: Clemson team that national champions win moments and they get

769
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: you can maybe give up two or three. You can't

770
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: give up five like that to Alibi right now.

771
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm with you on that one.

772
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Speaker 2: Final the second season. Alabama was not the better team

773
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Speaker 2: against Clemson that day. Jalen Hurts could not throw the

774
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: ball downfield. As exciting and as dynamic as he was

775
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: that year. It was more about both Scarborough still Oj

776
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: Howard just a pretty incredible defense the year before, and

777
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: that year Jalen Hurts without a quarterback who can challenge

778
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: a really good defense downfield. I can't emphatically say you

779
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: deserve to win the national championship. Clemson wins it. Pickplay

780
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: be damned. I'm with you. I think second take, second take,

781
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: and I was up at five am to rewatch this

782
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: game to make sure my take was correct. Twenty fourteen

783
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: Mississippi State. So if you remember, this is Old Miss

784
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: and Mississippi State as top top teams for a stretch

785
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, would have made the playoff over Ohio

786
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: State if they didn't lose the Egg Bowl, and I

787
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: think they would have won it all this gets another four.

788
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: E disagrees, what say you?

789
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: Wow? Who was on?

790
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: I remember this is Josh Robinson? That yeah, I think

791
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: it's only one Fred at this point. I think it's

792
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: just Fred Ross so not the full fre education right,

793
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: this is drun Ya Wilson. This is obviously Dak Prescott

794
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: down here. If you watch this game, you're you're watching

795
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: and you think, ah, this is an NFL quarterback without

796
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: NFL surrounding talent. That sucks.

797
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: Wow, that that is a fiery take right there.

798
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: Good good Mississippi State defense Ole Miss without bow Wallace

799
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: fully healthy, he has a sprained ankle. They get almost

800
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: two hundred yards receiving from Evan Ingram, Jalen Walton reverses

801
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: field for a long play. They so clearly win the explosive,

802
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: the explosive play battle in this game that it's hard

803
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: for me to see them. And it's a weird playoff here, ty,

804
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: So if they get in over Ohio State. They're playing

805
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen Bama, who is the one seed I believe, right,

806
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: and then Florida Sama those two to three.

807
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bama lost forty two to thirty five to Ohio State.

808
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't believe your g Josh Robinson

809
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: through the heart of the Bama defense and the way

810
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: Zeke Elliott did so, I can see the vulnerability of

811
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: Florida State and how they looked against Oregon. I can

812
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: see the vulnerability of Oregon with how they looked against

813
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: Ohio State. But even still, we're talking about a defending

814
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: national champion in Florida State and the Heisman Trophy winner

815
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: in Marcus Mariota with Oregon. So I'm not there. I

816
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: can't fully get there. If Dak has a little bit

817
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: more around him in terms of dudes, we can have

818
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: a conversation. He just didn't.

819
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: I think I'm with you. I remember that team pretty well,

820
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: and Dak Prescott was good. He was good in college,

821
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: really good, right. I don't remember the consistency being there

822
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: across the board. I don't remember feeling in the moment

823
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: that this team was on that same tier. They were

824
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: really good and that's the thing really good. I'm I'm

825
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: attaching four e's to disagreeing, but I am agreeing that

826
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: they were an incredibly fun watch and a cool story

827
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: and he's there forever starting.

828
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: But that's a bridge too far from me.

829
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: Ty, Yeah, I think I think that's uh, that's a

830
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: little much for me too, Dan.

831
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: So so they lose to Bama by five. November fifteenth,

832
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: Mississippi State does in Tuscaloosa, but they didn't score a

833
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: touchdown against ole Miss until the third quarter. I want

834
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: to say that.

835
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: They were They were number one I think when they

836
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: played out at Wearma.

837
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they were number one of the initial

838
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: playoff rankings. They were so good and even I mean

839
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: the Ole Miss defense was incredible. This is this is

840
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: the height of land shark. You have Miss Mississippi on

841
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: the field giving a land shark sign. It's an absolutely

842
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: loaded Old Miss defense, and they end up losing a shootout.

843
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: Mississippi State does to Georgia Tech. So they had a

844
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: chance to make a statement in the Orange, I want

845
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: to say, and they didn't. So I'm going to disagree

846
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: with four eas.

847
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: That's all they jumped that year. Interestingly enough, at the

848
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: end of September from twelfth in the polls all the

849
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: way up to third, and then a week later they

850
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: were number one for four or five straight weeks before

851
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: they lost it, dropped down four and then ten, and

852
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: then you know, eventually ended up I think at just

853
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: outside the top ten. So it was a very good

854
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: to beat.

855
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: Three top ten teams. They beat lsu A and M

856
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: and Auburn, a.

857
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Very very good team. I am sort of talking without

858
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: having done super deep investigation maybe the way you did,

859
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: but I remember how I felt at the time watching

860
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: this team because we were doing we were doing the show,

861
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: and I remember in the moment not feeling like they

862
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: were on that same tier. Obviously a very good team,

863
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: very very good team. They got to number one.

864
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: So I'm still willing to have a conversation that Mississippi

865
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: State that year could have beaten or or Florida State

866
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: because of those you know, it's a Don Pellam Morgan defense.

867
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: And we saw the way that Florida State folded when

868
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: things got pretty hectic in the Rose Bowl. So that's

869
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Speaker 2: a conversation I'm willing to have. But even still to

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Speaker 2: do that in a rivalry game, to do that when

871
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Speaker 2: you do have a chance on a huge stage in

872
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Speaker 2: your bowl game. I'm not there, that's all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other the other caveat here is saying that

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Speaker 1: a second SEC team would have made the playoff is

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Speaker 1: a separate conversation. It's a separate conversation. So this is

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Speaker 1: what this is.

877
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Speaker 2: Three years after lsubam in the National Championship as a rematch.

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Speaker 1: Three years after the rematch, and in the really early

879
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: stages of the playoff, still kind of in that very

880
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: tender stage where people are are learning to live with it, and.

881
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: The playoff exists to sort of not let that happen

882
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: again exactly the national Championship or on the national, big

883
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 2: postseason stage. Yeah.

884
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Speaker 1: So you know, my uninformed or perhaps uninformed opinions on

885
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Speaker 1: Mississippi State totally aside. That was kind of the context

886
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Speaker 1: of the moment. Yeah, And having two SEC teams in

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Speaker 1: the in the playoff, I think would have been a

888
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: media firestorm. They wanted to avoid that, and I just

889
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: can't imagine that would have happened. Can't imagine that would

890
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Speaker 1: have happened because of the overtones of the time fourteen.

891
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: And they went into that. But they did go into

892
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Speaker 2: that game number four. So if you go into your

893
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: rivalry game at number four and you don't have to

894
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 2: win your conference, which the playoff eventually said was cool

895
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: with Alabama to get into the playoff if they comfortably

896
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: beat ole Miss in Oxford as the number four team.

897
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Speaker 2: I think ole Miss was sixteen or seventeen in the

898
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Speaker 2: country at the time. The argument against Mississippi State as

899
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Speaker 2: a top four team nationally is very difficult. Tie. Yeah,

900
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Speaker 2: and I understand the two teams from the same conference

901
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: getting in, but klang I had an opportunity to make

902
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: people's logical lives very difficult with a comfortable win that day.

903
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Speaker 2: They just couldn't.

904
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Speaker 1: All right, I disagree with the premise, but it's a

905
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Speaker 1: very interesting, very interesting question. Thank you, Nick.

906
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Speaker 2: I love going back and watching that game. It was fun.

907
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do we have anything else before we let you know?

908
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Speaker 2: I think I'm good. How's how's life? Everything good? On

909
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: your end?

910
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: Life is good. Life is very good. I hope that

911
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: the same is true for you out there in sunny

912
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Speaker 1: southern California. I hope it's true for everyone listening at home.

913
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Speaker 1: These are very weird times. Hopefully you're still downloading the

914
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: podcast and listening to our college football spiel here on

915
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: a weekly basis. We've been doing the nightly video stuff,

916
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: which has been a ton of fun, even if no

917
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: one watches. I don't know, I've loved Tie. It's good.

918
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: It's good. It's been a ton of fun. We've got

919
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: big star off planned over the next couple weeks and months,

920
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: totally separate from the fact that there may or may

921
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: not be a college football season. We don't know, we're

922
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: not We're going to assume that it is going to

923
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: happen until we're told otherwise, but it is not going

924
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: to stop us down. Now. With that being said, we

925
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: would encourage everyone tell your friends to listen to the show.

926
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Speaker 1: Please do write in soliverble at gmail dot com or

927
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: go on out ter our website at soliverbal dot com.

928
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: Listen to our old stuff. Find us on social media

929
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: if maybe you're just happening upon us for the first time.

930
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: You can find any you know, so many different channels

931
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: to see what we're all about. And again, participate in

932
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: the conversation with other verballers long after the bell of

933
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Speaker 1: each and every episode at Soliverbal dot reddit dot com.

934
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Speaker 2: I think that's everything, Ty, You've done a fantastic show.

935
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: Today with your evaluation of lingering takes.

936
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Speaker 1: What's your hair situation right now?

937
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I got to cut both combination of me with

938
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Speaker 2: clip and the solid wife, which sorry, that's your wife

939
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: with Jody with and eye. So it's all right. It's

940
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: getting a little hot, so I'm gonna try to keep it,

941
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Speaker 2: you know, trimmed up maybe once a month, no matter

942
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Speaker 2: how long we're in here. Yeah, the hair isn't bad.

943
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: I was a little bit worried about just overall health

944
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: and eating poorly because there's a lot more food available

945
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: when I'm with a lot of family, So that has

946
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Speaker 2: been my focus, and just sort of doing everything right

947
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Speaker 2: for digestion from metabolism. Tie. I think I've got that

948
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Speaker 2: all under control. Finally, if you're interested in my tips

949
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Speaker 2: and tricks, please don't hesitate to reach out. It involves

950
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: cold brew. It involves okay, a lot of cold brew.

951
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Speaker 2: But no, everything's good ty hygienically. We're in a good

952
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: spot here.

953
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm letting it grow, man, I'm going to see

954
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how long this is gonna last. Yeah.

955
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: I saw some angry people in the news siting their

956
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: lack of a haircut as the reason that when you

957
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: do open things back up. I don't know if if

958
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: I'd go to that extreme.

959
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: You're starting to look a little bit like Tig Notaro.

960
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: Do you know who that is?

961
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: I do know, kid, Yeah, I do know.

962
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: Tig not Taro. Yeah that come out.

963
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do a little bit. I like it.

964
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Speaker 1: I actually did see that screenshot when solid wife and

965
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: I were clicking around on Netflix the other night, and

966
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: sadly I thought the same thing. So, for what it's worth,

967
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, but yeah, it's it's I'm just gonna

968
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Speaker 1: let it grow. Man, I'm gonna let the hair breathe.

969
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let the mane out, and uh, we'll just

970
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: we'll see where this is when this whole thing ends.

971
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Speaker 2: You're listening to any good podcasts, you're out there walking arrah, No, no, no,

972
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: Well I am Tai shout out to go the greatest

973
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Speaker 2: of all talk Andrew Sharp and Ben Golliver. They do

974
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Speaker 2: a great job.

975
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Speaker 1: Cool, all right, Well, send us send me your podcast suggestions,

976
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: preferably non college football, because that's what we do here. Yeah,

977
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: don't need to talk more college football or listen to

978
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: more at at the moment, but send me your recommendations

979
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter.

980
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: Please do let us, don't you think. Okay, that's it,

981
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: that's all I have for that guy over.

982
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: There, my good friend Dan Rubinstein in sunny southern California.

983
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: For myself, Tie hilden Brand over here in eastern Pennsylvania,

984
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: letting it all grow out.

985
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Speaker 2: Dan.

986
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Speaker 1: Hope everyone is staying safe, staying healthy, not developing any

987
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: kind of ominous cough, and taking care of yourself. Yeah,

988
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: enjoy the time while you got it. We'll be back

989
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: next week's, same time, same place. In the meantime, by

990
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: all means, enjoy the rest of your week, all of

991
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Speaker 1: the weekend, and stay solid.

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Speaker 2: Hey,