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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Blazarre from Lazarre. Everybody nailed it joined as always buy

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Speaker 2: our bar Gap. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar

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Speaker 2: It's a classic tune up game, and we're gonna win

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Speaker 2: by one hundred. We're gonna feel good about ourselves doing it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the Jets press some buttons or pull some levers

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Speaker 2: that have given the Patriots some issues, and so you

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Speaker 2: get practice, live in game practice against these things. They

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Speaker 2: played two division games at the end of the year

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. They got right, They got their stuff

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Speaker 2: figured out. It completely flipped the season from the Miami

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Speaker 2: miracle in the Pittsburgh lost to a super Bowl team.

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Speaker 2: They did win by one hundred, so I was right

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Speaker 2: about that, and it was I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: can call that a tuneup game, though, Alex. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if the Jets offered enough resistance to truly call

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Speaker 2: that a tune up game, like a tune up game

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Speaker 2: against Miami. I think they might get that. They might

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Speaker 2: get that.

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Speaker 1: I think in some sense it was like you get

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Speaker 1: to rep the live two minute drill I'd consider that

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Speaker 1: like a tune up moment kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I thought, you know, we'll get

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Speaker 2: into it. But the the Efton Chishm catch against the

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Speaker 2: Cover zero bullets. Cover zero has been giving the Patriots

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Speaker 2: a little bit of problems offensively. It's the only coverage

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Speaker 2: is Cover zero. So to see them come up with

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Speaker 2: an answer to that, even though it was not necessarily

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Speaker 2: a great defense that they were answering against, but those

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Speaker 2: types of things were what we were looking for.

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Speaker 1: So I still think it's a tune up game. Maybe

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Speaker 1: a different kind of tune up game, but I still

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Speaker 1: think it's a tune up.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm for it. We are gonna get a

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Speaker 2: little bit into this Jets game. I'm not gonna sit

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Speaker 2: here and pretend that there's a million things to talk

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Speaker 2: about coming off to win over the Jets, but we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk a little bit about it. We'll do

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Speaker 2: some good and bads don't really have much that got

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Speaker 2: them beat in this game, so we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about playoff scenarios. Drake May's MVP case a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a Dolphins preview as well in the

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Speaker 2: second hour, because I do think the Dolphins are kind

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Speaker 2: of frisky, Like the Dolphins to me are exactly what

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Speaker 2: when you think about playing spoiler, Like the Dolphins are

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Speaker 2: that is playing spoiler. I mean, they just beat Tampa

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Speaker 2: Bay in a game Tampa Bay needed, so they can't

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Speaker 2: play spoiler really quickly. Before we get rolling on this

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Speaker 2: Jets recap, I know we are probably gonna get some

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Speaker 2: questions about the Stefon Digg situation, where we're not going

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Speaker 2: to touch that. The team has issued a statement. We're

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Speaker 2: going to leave it at that for now. But I

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Speaker 2: can say about that right now. But to the Jets,

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Speaker 2: I understand that there's I don't want to overanalyze a

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Speaker 2: game like that. The Patriots I think do deserve credit though,

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Speaker 2: Alex for having their eye on the ball, for being

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Speaker 2: But I've seen this happen over the last couple of

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Speaker 2: And you know, there are games against bad teams where

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Speaker 2: There the Falcons beating the Rams on Monday Night. It happens.

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Speaker 2: But this is what you wanted to see. You wanted

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Speaker 2: So I do think they deserve a little bit of credit,

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Speaker 2: They dominated a bad team. And you can't say that

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Speaker 1: No, not everybody beat the Jets forty two to ten

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Speaker 1: It felt like the good old days, right when the

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Speaker 1: and that that's the sign of a good team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other element of this just big picture

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Speaker 2: So they are going to clean up on this type

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Speaker 2: And that has a very Brady Belichick feel to it

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Speaker 2: as well, right where every year they're not going to get,

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Speaker 2: you know, a schedule that maybe sets up as well

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Speaker 2: maybe not ten games or eleven games like they have

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Speaker 2: right and once you get to that point, now you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I mean, Mike, We're able talked about

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Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely all right, So a couple of just things

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Speaker 2: I wanted to go over in this game. More of

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks here. So we'll just start with Drake.

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Speaker 2: May you know, obviously individually in this game, one of

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Speaker 2: which is kind of crazy. You know, highest single game

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Speaker 2: He doesn't seem rattled by anything, he doesn't seem confused

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Speaker 2: The Jets ran a trap coverage where they tried to

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Speaker 2: May is excelling in all those areas. I don't think

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Speaker 1: No, and he did it in a game where you know,

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Speaker 2: where this is going to go for Drake May and

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Speaker 2: the playoffs is if he continues to show this kind

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Speaker 2: taking such a major leap in the second season compared

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Speaker 2: is he's gotten so much better at operating with instructure

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Speaker 2: But McDaniel's is, like, you know, some of this was

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels in his bag.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just spinning the dial, So you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was solid, and again everybody's gonna need to

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Speaker 1: It's clear we kind of talked about this. I think

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Speaker 2: Brady Cook didn't throw a lot of catchable balls in

434
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Speaker 2: this game.

435
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Speaker 1: No, but you go back and look, I mean he

436
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: we talked about it. He had some trouble with Ady

437
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: Mitchell in the first matchup, bounced back at him, walk down,

438
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 1: tight coverage leads that interception. I thought he was much better.

439
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: The interception coverage was classic Gonzalez. You know, if you

440
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: run verticals against Christian Gonzalez when he's in man coverage,

441
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: especially press man, you're gonna have a tough time getting

442
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: open on him on those routes. And he just absolutely

443
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: wore Adie Mitchell like a coat on that one. I

444
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: mean that was a that was blanket coverage and Jalen

445
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: Hawkins made a nice play to come over. Cook was

446
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 2: zero for five with an interception, targeting Gonzalez. I thought

447
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 2: one or two of them weren't really catchable, to be

448
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 2: honest with you, but it wasn't. That's not Gonzales knock,

449
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: that's just fact. You know. He threw one to Mitchell

450
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: on and out where it hit the dirt and skipped

451
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: to him like Tim Tebow style. So you know, it

452
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 2: is what it is. But I dot Gonzalez was much

453
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 2: better in this game. Stuck his nose in there times

454
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: against the run too, So hopefully that was signs of

455
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: things to come. I would imagine that the film review

456
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: for him last week probably wasn't too great, and so

457
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: hopefully that is signs of things to come for him

458
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Last thing here, we talked a lot

459
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Speaker 2: last week when we were talking about this game, Alex

460
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: about special teams, the kickoff coverage, decent thirty five yard return,

461
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Speaker 2: thirty one yard return, twenty seven yard return in a

462
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: twenty one yard return for the Jets, so along a

463
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Speaker 2: thirty five average right around twenty seven to twenty eight yards.

464
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Speaker 2: I think he'll take it. I think it'll.

465
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Speaker 1: Tays that team, and that's the one thing that Jets

466
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Speaker 1: have done well. I think it was you who asked

467
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Speaker 1: Verable that last week. Good job asking a special team's question, Evan.

468
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 2: It was to cover the whole team. It was literally

469
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Speaker 2: one things that they could have done in the game

470
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Speaker 2: to try to make it competitive.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but even when it is important, you tend to

472
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Speaker 1: act like a tea.

473
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Speaker 2: It was in this game you was, you know me.

474
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Speaker 2: I tried to take the pad on the back. I

475
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: try to finish it. I try to hype up the

476
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: opponent as best I can. And I'm going to talk

477
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: about the Dolphins pretty positively, and.

478
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be more honest about that.

479
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: I try what the Jets. The only angle I could

480
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: find is that if they flip field position on kickoff

481
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: and punt return, So like that was it? Now? The

482
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: Patriots barely punted in this game, so that that punting

483
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: what right?

484
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Speaker 1: But they the Jets were the number one kickoff return

485
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Speaker 1: team in the league and turns on average yards per

486
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Speaker 1: re turn and those numbers like you read, I would

487
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: say that they did well against that team.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they covered the kicks pretty well. And I talked

489
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Speaker 2: to Brennan Schooler about it in New York after the game,

490
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: and he was really He brought up and prompted the

491
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: Buffalo game, and he was like, that was that wasn't us,

492
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: That was unacceptable. He said, you know, we can't put

493
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Speaker 2: our defense in those types of positions in the playoffs.

494
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Speaker 2: We're not going to win games in the playoffs if

495
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Speaker 2: we're giving the offense short fields consistently. And that was

496
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: on us. Kind of took the blame in a lot

497
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 2: of ways for them losing that game, and I think

498
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: that they are really serious about getting this right and

499
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: making sure that they're not hurting them. He talked a

500
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: little bit, and I'm sure this is the Patriots analytics

501
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: team putting these numbers in front of them, about the

502
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: percentages of scoring drives increase by field position on kickoff returns,

503
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Speaker 2: Like if you hit the thirty, it's this, if you

504
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: hit the forty, it's that. If you hit the fifty,

505
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: it's that. And like he said that, it just increases

506
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: exponentially as you go up the field, and you know,

507
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: you can see it in these games like now that

508
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: the touchbacks to thirty five, you really only need a

509
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: couple of first downs to kick a field goal, right,

510
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: and you see that across the league. Now that these

511
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: field goal drives, it's like it feels like it's like

512
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: one big play in a drive after a touchback, and

513
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're in field goal range. So

514
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 2: that can be a big difference, especially if you're late

515
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: in a playoff game and it's close and it's tied

516
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: and they're trying to put together a game winning drive. Well,

517
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: if you let him out to the forty yard line

518
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: on the kickoff return, now they got twenty yards ago,

519
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: and now they're kicking the game winning field goal. So

520
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: better not all the way back, but I think better

521
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: name dominated by any means, but good enough. All right.

522
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: A couple of things on the bad slash, you know,

523
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: I kind of put the things that could get you

524
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Speaker 2: beat in the postseason, so the Jets are not going

525
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: to be able to take advantage of these types of things.

526
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Speaker 2: But one of them is sort of a question that

527
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to pose to you and the listeners can

528
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: chime in. I'm very curious what the Patriots do about

529
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Speaker 2: the left side of the offensive line. This was the

530
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: one game in a while where I thought Ben Brown

531
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: didn't play great, especially early. Yeah, the first couple drives

532
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: of the game, I were kind of weirdly. He was

533
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: off his game in a weird way. Vederian Loo has

534
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: been okay. I thought that he gave up a couple

535
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: pressures in this game, but nothing too crazy. It's very

536
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: clear that Will Campbell is a much better player than

537
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: Vederian low I don't think having that discussion. I think

538
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: it's a little bit closer. With Jared Wilson and Ben Brown.

539
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: I just wonder how you look at that. And you know,

540
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: I thought this game they weren't as good as they

541
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: have been on the left side, especially Brown, but he's

542
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: been solid. Darian low hasn't been has been much better

543
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: than he was last year. It's an it's an interesting problem,

544
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: not problem, but an interesting question I guess to have.

545
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: I think with Campbell it's automatic. If he's one hundred

546
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: percent or close to it, I think he plays. But

547
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: I do wonder, you know, how they look at that

548
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: if he's seventy five percent and not ninety five percent.

549
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: You know, where is that line of you know, he's

550
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: healthy enough to be better than Vaderian Lowe at this point?

551
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think once he can go, he goes.

552
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: I just think that's you know, when you get to

553
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and I'd like to see him play at

554
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: least a little bit this excuse me this week, Yeah,

555
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: just to you know, you don't want and in Milton

556
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: Williams and Roberts playing, I'm sure we'll get to this,

557
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: like don't want their first contact coming in the playoffs,

558
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: first contact and was to be like over a month

559
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: for most of them. The Jared Wilson wants a little

560
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: more interesting. I do feel like they've run the ball

561
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: better with Ben Brown. I don't know if you'd agree

562
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: with that, but I feel like the run game has

563
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: been better with Ben Brown in the lineup, and when

564
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: you get into these cold, nasty playoff games up here

565
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: in the Northeast, you might want to lean on that

566
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And I don't think the GAP's

567
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: been that different in past protection. So I think there

568
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: is a conversation we had about starting left guard and

569
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: could take a step further. We did this with Greg

570
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: Badard yesterday on Felgern Maz. You know, do you use

571
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: it as maybe an opportunity to see and look, you're

572
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: not gonna sit down Garrett Bradbury here. He's been great

573
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: this year, but he's on a pseudo one year contract.

574
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: He's under contract next year, but there's no guaranteed money.

575
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: And if they really view Jared Wilson as the center

576
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: of the future, which I still think his future is

577
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: at center. He was fine filling in a left guard

578
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: this year, but he should be a center long term.

579
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: So we've talked about them maybe needing a left guard.

580
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: How would you feel next year if it's Ben Brown

581
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson R. I guess Ben Brown Garrett Bradbury. Either way,

582
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: Ben Brown a little more of a look to see

583
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: if you need to go find a new starting left guard.

584
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Speaker 2: I would feel better about Ben Brown in the super

585
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: sub role. I just think that's a really valuable role

586
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: yea to have where you have a even though I

587
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: thought he didn't grade out particularly well in this game,

588
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: you still have a guy that can play three different

589
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: positions on the interior offensive line at a starting caliber

590
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: level that when guys get hurt, which is inevitable, I

591
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: think it's a really valuable role to have, and I

592
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: don't I don't think a lot of teams have that

593
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: kind of depth. Now, if you want to tell me

594
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: that they're going to draft somebody or sign somebody to

595
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: fill that role and then they're going to let Ben

596
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: Brown see if he can start and not do that,

597
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: then I guess you could make the argument or say

598
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: that you know, they're kind of doing both, they're filling

599
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: both holes. But ideally I think Ben Brown stays as

600
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: like that fourth super sub fourth interior offensive lineman, and

601
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: then you go out and you get a starting caliber

602
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: left guard. But I'm not saying that Ben Brown couldn't

603
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Speaker 2: do it, just that's just how I feel about it,

604
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: because I've seen him in this role and he's really

605
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: good in it, and I don't know if you know

606
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: they they necessarily need to push it in any other way. Now,

607
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: maybe he's Ted Carris, that's exactly Yeah.

608
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: Literally, look I was googling Ted Carris.

609
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he's Ted Carris, who has been an awesome starter,

610
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: uh since really, you know, the Patriots second stint, he

611
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: leaves the Patriots goes to Cincinnati. He's been like a

612
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: captain there. He's been a starter ever since. So maybe

613
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: maybe that's Ben Brown's trajectory too, and maybe he's good

614
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: enough to do that. But then you got to fill

615
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: that role because I think that there's not a lot

616
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: of teams and I don't know what would happen if

617
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: Morgan Moses got hurt at right tackle. So this might

618
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: not apply completely to the tackles position, but they've gotten

619
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: competent play from Ben Brown and Vederian Lowe as their

620
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: sixth and seventh offensive lineman I left tackle and left guard.

621
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Speaker 2: There are not a lot of teams that can go

622
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: to that depth and rely on it. You know, we

623
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: might see one in the playoffs with the Chargers, who

624
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: have had all sorts of problems with their offensive line

625
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: because of injuries. So that's valuable to have. Now, would

626
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Speaker 2: Vederian low and Ben Brown be as good in a

627
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: sixteen to seventeen game sample size versus a four or

628
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: five game game sample size that that's a fair question too.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's whether spot that's like some guys are

630
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: spots starters as what that role.

631
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Speaker 2: Is, right, maybe he's a spot starter. The other thing

632
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: just defensively, if I had to put my finger on

633
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 2: what my biggest area of concern with the team right

634
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: now alex is going into the postseason, it's the lack

635
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: of disruption or whatever you want to call it upfront

636
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball, whether it's getting

637
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: off blocks in the run game, pressuring quarterbacks in this game.

638
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Even though they dominated, they only got to Brady Cook

639
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: twenty eight percent of the time in the first three

640
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: quarters of the game. And what they weren't dominating because

641
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: they were getting a lot of pressure on the quarterback.

642
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: Let me put you that. And I did think that

643
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: Breis Hall, even though the big one came against the

644
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: backup defense in the fourth quarter, I did think that

645
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: he chipped away a little bit at the beginning. It

646
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: just the game got away from the Jets and it

647
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: didn't matter. So I think there's a lot riding on Splaine, Tongo, Williams,

648
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: and Landry all coming back, all being healthy and all

649
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: being the same players that they were before their injuries,

650
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: and just kind of dropping those guys into this defense

651
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: and then getting back to the way they were playing

652
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: defense in the first eight or nine weeks of the season.

653
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: Because this defense, now, with the guys that they have

654
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: that they've been playing the last couple of weeks, that defense,

655
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: I think is vulnerable in the playoffs. Now, if you're

656
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: going to tell me that Splaine and Williams and Tonga

657
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: and Lander are going to come back and they're going

658
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: to look like they did in the first half of

659
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: the season. Well, now I feel a whole lot better,

660
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: But that's a lot riding on those four guys all

661
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: doing that. Like, I don't know if that's going to happen.

662
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: I think Millon Williams will get back to it, but

663
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: I don't know about Splaine, who has had a weird ankle,

664
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: foot whatever you want to call it, injury it. Landry's clearly,

665
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: you know, compromise in some sort of way that goes

666
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: back to that Saint's injury scare, and I don't know

667
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: if that thing's gonna get better this season. He might

668
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: need to have and I don't know this for a fact,

669
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: but he might need to have some sort of off

670
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: season procedure or something like that on his knee. So

671
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: that's my biggest question is are they just simply going

672
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: to bring all four of those guys back and then

673
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: it's just gonna snap back right into place up front,

674
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: especially against the run, or is this going to be

675
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: their undoing because they kind of got banged up in

676
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: those spots.

677
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, when those guys come back, it'll be better.

678
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how it couldn't be, you know, is

679
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: it going to be what they go ten weeks without

680
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: allowing a fifty yard rusher or something like that. So,

681
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, are they going to go back to being

682
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: that is Milton Williams or Milton Williams Roberts playing going

683
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: to come back like that, you know, being one hundred percent,

684
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: or they gonna come back like seventy or eighty percent.

685
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: And I still think Milton Williams at eighty percent is

686
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: better than what they've had. And you know Kiro's tonga

687
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: is part of that too, So I don't think it'll

688
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: be the same as it was before they got hurt.

689
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: I think it will be better than this. The question

690
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: is just like what is it closer to?

691
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: Right?

692
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: Is it closer to what they were to start the

693
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: year before the injuries start piling up or will it

694
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 1: be closer to what it is now?

695
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: They just don't create enough havoc up front. They don't

696
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: there's not enough, like they don't get off enough blocks,

697
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: they don't.

698
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 1: Get to the quarterback wick in mind seeing them blitz more,

699
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: I feel like they've done well when they've blitzed this year, it's.

700
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: A good it's a good conversation, especially with the corners

701
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: that they have.

702
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, if you look at outside of Josh Allen,

703
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: you look at the quarterbacks they're going to play by

704
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: the way Paul did his h AFC quarterback. Okay, we've

705
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: been doing a felbrin mass. We might need to check

706
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: in on that one.

707
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: Okay, But yeah, it's a good question about blitzing more.

708
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: I wonder how much of their lack of blitzing and

709
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: lack of aggressiveness in terms of man coverage stems from

710
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: like the fourth and fifth guy that they're going to

711
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: have to trust to play man coverage. Because you feel

712
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: pretty good about Gonzo David and Marcus Jones and man coverage.

713
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Likely blitz Marcus Jones, Yes.

714
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: But who's covering the tight end? Who's covering the running back?

715
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: Right?

716
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's not just about the top three. You

717
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: have to have five guys that can play man to

718
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: man in order to play man to man at a

719
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: high level. So do they have the fourth and fifth

720
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: guy to play man to man at a high level

721
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: is a question mark. And then if they get into

722
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: the playoffs against some of these teams like a like

723
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: a Buffalo potentially of Pittsburgh, potentially of Baltimore that do

724
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: play multiple tight ends, now maybe you have to take

725
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones off the field because you don't want to

726
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: be in small nickel against bigger personnel groupings. So now

727
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: you have two guys that are you know, linebackers that

728
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: are covered, and I think that that stems from a

729
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: lot of the reason why they're not. I know a

730
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: lot of people ask why don't they play more in

731
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: man coverage with the with the corners that they have

732
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: so certain matchups. I definitely think you could see that

733
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, you know, certainly a situation. You still

734
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: see it every week now. Maybe if they do play

735
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 2: the Chargers. The Chargers do play a lot of heavy

736
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: personnel groupings, and they will load up and try to

737
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: run the ball, and they have you know, guys that

738
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: are like converted defensive linemen playing full back and like

739
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: things like that. But I don't think that their tight

740
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: ends and backs are as dangerous as pass catchers as

741
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 2: some of the other teams. Like when you play Buffalo

742
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: and you have Kincaid and Knox and Cook, like, that's

743
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: a tough group to cover. I don't know if the

744
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: Chargers have that kind of talent at those positions. One

745
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: of my guys in the draft, what he marks with

746
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: the Texans is a really good receiving back out of

747
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: the backfield. Dalton Schultz is a good tight end, you know.

748
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: So maybe that matchup is not as favorable. So we'll

749
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: see what happens. But I just think that, like I said,

750
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: there's a lot riding on Milton Williams, especially in Spalain, especially,

751
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: I would say, coming back to four and being healthy

752
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: and playing at the level that they were playing at

753
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: before and sort of fixing some of the things that

754
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: are wrong with what's going on up front for this defense.

755
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: So thirty ish minutes on the on the Jets game,

756
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: I wanted to keep it under thirty. I think I

757
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: did pretty good.

758
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say that we pretty much kind of covered I.

759
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: Don't think we need to do, you know, one of

760
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: our hour long autopsies of this game. The other topic

761
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: I want to talk about a little bit before we

762
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: open it up to the calls and the emails and

763
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: talk some playoff scenarios as well. I do want to

764
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: discuss the Drake May MVP thing a little bit. I've

765
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: been sort of researching and getting my argument for Drake

766
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: May for MVP ready for you when the season's officially

767
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: over because it is a regular season award, so after

768
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Sunday it's over. I don't know how strong of a

769
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: take you have on this, Alex. I feel pretty strongly

770
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 2: about it, just going into the numbers. Really, the only

771
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: argument that I can come up with for Matthew Stafford

772
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: over Drake may for MVP is just kind of put

773
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: in a cap or a great career for Matthew Stafford.

774
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: And I don't want to call it a lifetime achievement

775
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: work because he's been so good and that's not fair

776
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: to him. But in a lot of ways, it's kind

777
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: of like a proof of concept for him of like

778
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: he's been playing at this level for a really really

779
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: long time and the one thing he's kind of missing

780
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: is like an individual accolade like an MVP. And I

781
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: look at you know, I hear the strength of schedule

782
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: argument a lot, but then you look at common opponents,

783
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: and Drake Mayo played him in the six games they

784
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: played against common.

785
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: Appintance, and I mean, supporting cast, we can factor in

786
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: and this and that. Again, the voters broke I'm sorry

787
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: I have to do this to you.

788
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: No, that's okay.

789
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: The voters broke the system last year Yeah, because Lamar

790
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: Jackson was a better player.

791
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we got to get Josh his.

792
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: And we don't know an I guess one thing that

793
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: got it for him because he ain't winning it this year.

794
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: But that's the fear that I have with Stafford, is

795
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: that it's kind of his turn. But here's the thing.

796
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,479
Speaker 1: Once you open that door, because the NBA did this too, Yeah,

797
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: once you open that door, that is what it is.

798
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I would love to see the voters get it right

799
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: and just be like, we screwed up last year. Dani

800
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Orlosky won't admit it, but like we messed up last

801
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: year Lamar.

802
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: He's voting for Stafford based off of what he said

803
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: on TV, doubling down on it today. Yeah.

804
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: Now, there is no voter fatigue element to it this time,

805
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: because I think last time it was do we really

806
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: want to give this guy three in a row? Because

807
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: when you give a guy three MVPs in a row,

808
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: that signals something significant. I think Lamar earned him, so

809
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about this this year. I

810
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: don't think there's any voter fatigue with Matthew Stafford, but

811
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: I do think there's this element of we got to

812
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: make sure, this one guy gets his and this is

813
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: the year to give it to him, and maybe it

814
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: comes back around in a year, and however many years

815
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: like Drake Mays having a great year but maybe not

816
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: an MVP year.

817
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: But you know it's hey.

818
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: Screwed him ten years ago, or you could just you know,

819
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: fix it now. And I know Matthew Stafford gets burned

820
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: in that, which is unfortunate, but again, Lamar Jackson shouldn't

821
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: have gotten burned last year. It is crazy to think

822
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: about the stakes of it.

823
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: Though.

824
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I text you this during the

825
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: game or not. I forget who it was. There was

826
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: one national writer somebody tweeted at him at the end

827
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: of that game, like does Stafford Is Stafford a Hall

828
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: of Famer?

829
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: Now?

830
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: I just think he is.

831
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: I think he will stop, but I don't want to

832
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: put the guy on blast. I don't even remember his name,

833
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: but it was like, well, you know, I think he

834
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: really needs the MVP to like lock it up. Maybe

835
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: the question was first ballot, Hall of Fame or something.

836
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: It's crazy to think about. So if you go off

837
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: the odds, which Vegas's job is to make money, it's

838
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: not their job to predict it correctly, but if you

839
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: go off the odds. So Stafford's odds kind of bottomed

840
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: out when he threw that third pick and May was

841
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: a heavy favorite, and then they started to uptick again,

842
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: and I think the idea was, like, hey, a twenty

843
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: one point comeback probably.

844
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: Clinches the MVP.

845
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: We won't talk about why they were down twenty one,

846
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: but a twenty one point comeback right clinches the MVP.

847
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: And then he throws that incomplete pass to you know,

848
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: the guy who was opened down the field. And so

849
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: it's crazy think about it. If this is going to

850
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: determine his Hall of Fame standing, and that game is

851
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: going to determine whether or not he wins the MVP,

852
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: and that pass determines that game. Like does that one

853
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: pass keep Matthew Stafford out of the Hall of Fame?

854
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: Prevent him from being a first ballot Hall of Famer?

855
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: That's what I hate about all this. I do think

856
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: there should be some recency buias to it, because I

857
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: think there is more value in playing well late in

858
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: the year than there is at the beginning. But like

859
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: I think everybody needs to take a step back, right,

860
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: just who is the better quarterback? This year, I test

861
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: evan eye test who is the better quarterbacks here? Don't

862
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: cite me EP eight, don't even cite me pass yards.

863
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: I test who's the better quarterback this year.

864
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: I gotta admit I haven't watched Matthew Stafford as closely

865
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: as I have lost Drake may So from what you've

866
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: biased and probably way more educated on the side.

867
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Idea, we're probably the wrong people ask. But this is

868
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: what I would encourage the voters. I test who is

869
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: the better quarterback.

870
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: It's such a hard it's hard to answer that because.

871
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: But that's what it should be. And we'll get to

872
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: I have more iescribes, so we'll get to the Hall

873
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: of Fame voting in a little bit.

874
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, so, I just think that the try

875
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: to whittle this down to like three or four main

876
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: categories of what people are talking about with this whole thing.

877
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: I think the biggest feather in Matthew Stafford's cap in

878
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: terms of this Hall of Fame thing is that he

879
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: objectively did it against a harder schedule. There's just no

880
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: arguing that he did it against a harder slate of games.

881
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: He's in a tougher division, he played better defenses than

882
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: Drake May. It wasn't as lopsided as some people like

883
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: to make you think, but it was what it was.

884
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: You know, Matthew Stafford played eight games against top fifteen

885
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: pass defenses by EPA, Drake May only played six. Now,

886
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: a big part of that is because he played the

887
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: Seahawks twice, but Drake May played the Bills twice, and

888
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: the Bills are top fifteen, so they both kind of

889
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: washed out. Stafford played the Texans was a big one.

890
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: He played them week one of the season, so it

891
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: was a long time ago. Now most people probably forget

892
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: that game is like fourteen to nine or something like that.

893
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: It was a rock fight of a game. So that's

894
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: that's the big knock on Drake May is that by

895
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: DVA or whatever stat you want to use use, he

896
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: pretty much has the easiest schedule in the league that

897
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: he went up against. The issue that, I is the

898
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: whole point of EPA though, that it factors in strength

899
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: to schedule notes and who is very DVA Stafford or

900
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: Stafford because of the schedule. So that that's the argument,

901
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not trying to knock him, but

902
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: Aaron Shotts is probably going to vote for Stafford because

903
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: his formula with which factors in strength to schedule is

904
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: saying that Stafford was the more valuable player.

905
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Well, he's also wasn't he the one when Lamar should

906
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: have won it unanimously two years ago? Wasn't he the

907
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: one guy?

908
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: That sounds familiar. I'm not trying to make this about Aaron,

909
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that that's the DVOA side of it, right.

910
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: The issue is that with the with to me with

911
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: the strength the schedule thing is I did some digging

912
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: into Drake May and Matthew Stafford against top fifteen pass defenses,

913
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: Drake May versus Matthew Stafford against common opponents which they

914
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: faced six common opponents, and Drake May outperformed him and

915
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: both categories.

916
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: Right, I think that means more than a week schedule.

917
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: Frankly, so, he was much better in the six common

918
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: games that they played, you know, against common opponents. It

919
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: was the off the I have it in the second

920
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: I can't remember it off the top of my head,

921
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: six common opponents, Drake May was much better. I posted

922
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: that on Twitter last night, the graphic of the two

923
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 2: stats in top fifteen pass defenses again Drake May played

924
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: six games against top fifteen pass defenses. Matthew Stafford played eight.

925
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: Drake May again better.

926
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: Here somebody just retweeted it, which which number did you need?

927
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: Again? The six teams that they both played.

928
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I put it at Ravens, Saints, Bucks, Panthers, Falcons.

929
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: So those are not all scrub defenses. The Ravens are Ravens.

930
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: The Falcons have been a good defense this year for

931
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: the most part. So we've seen this and it's not close.

932
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: Like if you look at the numbers I put up

933
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: on Twitter between these two guys and those six common games,

934
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: it's not close. Like Drake May was a much better

935
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: quarterback than those games. So you have that, you have

936
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: the common games thing, and then you have the top

937
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: fifteen pass defense thing that both you know, the fifteen

938
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: pass defenses only slightly, but they both favored Drake May

939
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: in both instances. Then you look at the fact that

940
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: you have supporting casts, right, you start to grade the

941
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: supporting casts, and I also you know, kind of looked

942
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: at not only what they ended up being in the season,

943
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: but also what the preseason expectations were for their supporting

944
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: casts and coming into the season, Bill Barnwell every year

945
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: he does that ranking of the skill groups wide receivers,

946
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: running backs, tight ends, right, just the pass catcher, skill

947
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: group positions, whatever you want to call it. He does it.

948
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: One through thirty two. He had the Patriots coming into

949
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 2: the season with the thirtieth ranked skill group in the NFL,

950
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: thirtieth out of thirty two. The Rams were fifth, So

951
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: Drake may has taken a group that well, they.

952
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: Also shouldn't have been ranked thirty second. Okay, I mean

953
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: that's a part of it.

954
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: But you can you can say that, but anybody by

955
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: Eddie Metric was saying that they were a middling.

956
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: I'll just go back to Bill Barnwell's preseason rankings. If

957
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: you have to go to that to justify it, you've

958
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: already lost the plot who is the better player? Like

959
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: this is this is what this is about, and this

960
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: is where it gets.

961
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: So we have to do this, like this is I guess,

962
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: and well this is a whole. Like you you can

963
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: like I think that, Like you you can sit here

964
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: and say eye test, but like if you just go

965
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: base off your eye test, then that's super subjective and

966
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: like you're not gonna like that's not a good voter. No, no,

967
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: I mean you have to look at like what's going.

968
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: On, But we're really splitting hairs here.

969
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to get to it, like I'm going

970
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: to close the book on this.

971
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: Right.

972
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: So he's thirty thirtieth in the league in terms of

973
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: skill groups coming into the season. He took a group that,

974
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: by every all accounts, whichever lists you want to look at,

975
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: whichever analysts you want to read or listen to, was

976
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: at best middleingue. Yeah, and they are fifth in the

977
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: league and scoring on offense with the middling group of

978
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: pass catchers. And yeah, we underrated the Patriots pass catchers.

979
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: Even though we underrated the Patriots pass catchers, they are

980
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: still not better than the Rams. No, they're not. So

981
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: that to me, that's all you need to say. So

982
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: the Rams in season, the Rams have the number one

983
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: receiving grade in football according to Pro Football Focus, number

984
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: one in the league. The Patriots were at four, which

985
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: is really really good. But it's not number one, right,

986
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: It's it's still a little bit worse. Yeah, you know,

987
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: same thing kind of with the offensive line. Everybody thought

988
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: the Patriots offensive line was going to.

989
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: Say, the Patriots offensive line is actually grated out higher

990
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: in the RAMS.

991
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: So the Patriots offensive line is fourteenth and pass block

992
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: win rate right now, the.

993
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: RAMS are fifth, so one of those composite rankings. But

994
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: this is why using the rank its.

995
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why I didn't use the composite rankings

996
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: because not because he's supported my argument, but because now

997
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: it is pulling in information from all different places and

998
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: it just kind of gets cloudy. So I wanted to

999
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: stick with ESPN. I think that's That's where I'm sticking

1000
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: with across the board on all of this. So that's

1001
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: the supporting cast argument that I think heavily favors Drake May.

1002
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget if I said this with you on

1003
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: another show. You can make a really good argument.

1004
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: You just did.

1005
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: I think you've made more of the argument that you

1006
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: needed to. You make a really good argument. That Drake

1007
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: May has lists of supporting casts doesn't mean it's bad

1008
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: because I don't want to turn this into let's bash

1009
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: Kaishan Booty and Stefan Diggs Hunter henrycause they've actually been

1010
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: really good this year.

1011
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: No, I just said they are fourth in the league

1012
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: and receiving grade.

1013
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: I think you make a strong argument. Matthew Stafford is

1014
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: a better supporting cast. I think you make a strong

1015
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: argument Drake may have had an easier schedule. Those cancel out, Yeah,

1016
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: those just cancel and they.

1017
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: Clearly has Matthew Stafford too. I got to mention clearly

1018
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: has a better traditional running game.

1019
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: Yes, that's as part of the supporting cast. Yeah, like

1020
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: hugely different.

1021
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: You know, twenty fifth in the league and EPA for

1022
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: the Patriots, fifth in the league for the Rams.

1023
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: Row for respecting Vrabel and McDaniels and not pulling the

1024
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: will use Sean McVay card, because I don't think that

1025
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: one's as lopsided as some people are maybe now, and

1026
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: I know that that's a check against Drake May, but like,

1027
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's lopsided, and that's nothing against

1028
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: Sean McVay. This also gets the bigger problem of like

1029
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to I am somebody who said for

1030
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: a long time that it's the most valuable player and

1031
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: it should be awarded as such. I this was pre

1032
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: when we were on the air. I think we were

1033
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: in like high school. Well you're did Peyton miss nine

1034
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: ten and the Colts just bottomed out essentially the same roster.

1035
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: I was one of those people that was like, hey,

1036
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: Peyton should win most Valuable Player even though he didn't play.

1037
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: I was, of course, you were dumb ass fourteen year

1038
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: old and me had that take, But like, is it

1039
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: is it best player most valuable player? Because for years

1040
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: and years and years it was best player and it

1041
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: said valuable, but it was really best best at a

1042
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: premium position, and we all knew what it was. And

1043
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: then last year all of a said, well no, like

1044
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: you take Lamar off the Ravens and you take Josh

1045
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: Allen off the Bills with how different it is. So again,

1046
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: if you know, is it is it that's are valuable?

1047
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Canadian Football League. Do you know

1048
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: what they call their award? What most Outstanding Player?

1049
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 4: Oh?

1050
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: I actually like that because.

1051
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: It's two different things. So that's where you get into

1052
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: this too. Like a lot of the defense switch the quarterbacks,

1053
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: put Drake may on the rams.

1054
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: The stuff that you're trying to argue though, is not tangible.

1055
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: I can't tell you what it would look like if

1056
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: you switch the quarterback. I look at you, who wants tangibility? Yeah,

1057
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: I've always wanted tangibility. You just don't believe in the tangible.

1058
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm expected it's not tangible. It's the by definition,

1059
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: it's not because you don't understand the status.

1060
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: And I'll explain the definition. It's not. I explained the

1061
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: stat to you. Every single do that right now.

1062
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: You know who's who's more valuable to their team, Matt

1063
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: Stafford or Trake.

1064
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I brought up the preseason ranking, right

1065
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: because that to me speaks to how much he has

1066
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: elevated the supporting cast around him. So that's not to

1067
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: knock the Kaishan Boudi and Stefan Diggs and Hunter Henry

1068
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: and Matt Collins and those guys have all played great

1069
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: football for the Patriots this year. But we have to

1070
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: at some point recognize, you know, what we thought of

1071
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 2: that group and what they have become a lot of

1072
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: that as we saw, you know, with a other quarterback

1073
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: here for twenty years, a lot of that ends up

1074
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: being about how great the quarterback is. See I would

1075
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: I won't.

1076
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: I will push back on that a little bit in

1077
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: terms of like, well, this is what we thought they

1078
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: were in the preseason and so and look, has Drake

1079
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: may elevated this group? Absolutely, But just if we're gonna

1080
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Speaker 1: be fair. We're a fair fair conversation. Yeah, rams are great. Example,

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Speaker 1: Pooka was a fourth round pick, fifth round pick. Yeah,

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00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: so you look at his first year and this guy

1083
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: was a fourth threat And obviously this isn't the case,

1084
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: but like you could say, well, this guy was a

1085
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Speaker 1: fourth round pick and look what Stafford turned him into. Well, no,

1086
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: he just ended up being a really good player that

1087
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people mis evaluated. And I think in

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Speaker 1: the case of the Patriots, because I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do the thing that gets done with Josh Allen where

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00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: it's all the quarterback and nobody else gets credit even

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Speaker 1: when they deserve credit. Was the Patriots skill group not

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00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: that good and Drake May elevated them? Or did a

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00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: lot of people misevaluate the Patriots skill group? I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think it's both, but let's

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00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: not just make it. Hey, this is the thirty second

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00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: word supporting cast in the NFL, and Drake May elevate them.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were wrong about what

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Speaker 1: Drake May was working with going into the season. So

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to go too much in

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Speaker 1: that direction with the conversation because I think it does

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00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: a disservice and it takes away from the job that

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Speaker 1: guys like Kayshawn Booty and Hunter Henry and Ramonterey Stevenson,

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00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: and you know, you want to extend it to the

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00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: coaching staff and and the job that Doug Marone has

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00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: done and guys like that. So I still think Drake

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00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: may should win it. I don't feel like I need

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00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: that talking point to make my case.

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00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think you need it because everybody else is

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00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: using these talking points.

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Speaker 1: Well, Stafford is gonna win it.

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00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: And so but the only way to make like, to

1112
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: make the pro Drake argument here is to hit them

1113
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 2: with facts about the arguments that they're making against Drake.

1114
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: Or here's like, Kylas, do you want to do it?

1115
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: I understand you want to, like the numbers, yeah, and

1116
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: then and I was going to get that to that

1117
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: as the last thing. Okay, there's a literally I would

1118
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: lead with this. There's no to me, this is the

1119
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: last thing. This is how the MVP discussion works, and

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00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: the numbers last year heavily favored Lamar Jackson and he

1121
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: didn't win the award. So like I can't sit here, okay,

1122
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: but it is what it is. He didn't win the award.

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00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: Okay, but so here's and this is we're doing the

1124
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: catch twenty two things who should win it and who

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00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: will win it or two different conversations.

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00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: Okay, but I didn't want the Patriots guy to win it,

1127
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: so I am going to make the argument for him

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00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: to win it. Yes, and I'm going to poke holes

1129
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 2: in the arguments that people use against him. But that's

1130
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: how it works.

1131
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: So and my point is I would open with it's

1132
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: good touchdowns, wins all that.

1133
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: People didn't think tomorrow. I was building a take.

1134
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm approaching this as like a lawyer, like you're approaching

1135
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: this as like you don't have time for this. Then

1136
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: I want to win the debate. I'm starting with my

1137
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: strongest argument off the time.

1138
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: I don't believe. I don't know if that's the strongest argument,

1139
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: because we're talking about what other people. We have to

1140
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: figure out ways to poke holes in these stupid arguments

1141
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: that other people are using. Because if it was just

1142
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: as simple as look at the at the box score,

1143
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: and that's how we're going to decide it, this would

1144
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: be Drake May and a landslide, So it wouldn't matter.

1145
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: Shout out Bill Belichick talking to Derek Mason sometimes pointing

1146
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: up there and saying, scoreboard is a hell of an argument.

1147
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: That was Derek Mason, right, you know clip I'm.

1148
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: Talking about uh maybe, but I'm just trying to help

1149
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: people in this email or nailed it that That's exactly

1150
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: what I was trying to say. I'm just trying to

1151
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: help people understand, Derek Mason, what the voters consider and

1152
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: what they look at, the criteria they look at. And

1153
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell the voters that are telling me

1154
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: that it's Matthew Stafford that they're crazy. Okay, So that's

1155
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do. You're over here just like

1156
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: trying to like play mad and then just switch them

1157
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: on to.

1158
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: Different as efficiently as possible.

1159
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: So efficiency I'm getting to your your your point, Okay.

1160
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: The last thing here, of course, is just the overall numbers,

1161
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: taking all of the noise out of it, of strength,

1162
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: the schedule and supporting casts and all that, just what

1163
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: are the number is telling you? And the only number

1164
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 2: that favors Matthew Stafford is touchdown passes. It's the only

1165
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: one total touch he even have total touchdowns? Rushing does

1166
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 2: he does? But it's less of a gap.

1167
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: Obviously, it's like one or two, right, No, it's like eight.

1168
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: It's like he has a dozen more touchdown passes. Drake

1169
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: May's rush for four touchdowns, so it's eight if you

1170
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: include his total touchdowns.

1171
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: But it's not nothing.

1172
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 2: Drake May has more total yards if you include rushing.

1173
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 2: He has a better completion percentage, he has a better

1174
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: passer rating, he has better EPA per dropback and total EPA.

1175
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: He has a higher QBR. Like you just go right

1176
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 2: down the list all these graphics that you look at

1177
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: where it's like the green or the check goes to

1178
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: the guy who it favors. It's like ten checks for

1179
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: Drake May and then one check for Matthew Stafford.

1180
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: Just like last year was the rushing touchdowns for Josh Allen.

1181
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: Everybody sat on that.

1182
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: Also.

1183
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: I was typing a pull up the player comparison on

1184
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: Pro Football Reference. Yeah, and I did Stafford first, and

1185
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: it recommended me. Do you want to compare Matthew Stafford

1186
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Garoppolo.

1187
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: No, I do not. So you're you're looking at the

1188
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: overall stats.

1189
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: Now, Stafford is, to be fair, Stafford is passing yards.

1190
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: He has passed two yards, but not totally yards.

1191
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: Right if you add the rushing yards I think, which

1192
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: I think is only fair to do because Stafford does

1193
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: not run and Drake does that, then Jack puts Drake

1194
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: May over the top. In turn, it's a total offense.

1195
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: He need a hell of a game against Miami, and

1196
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: frankly he has this game, they're probably gonna pull him sooner.

1197
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: He could be a five thousand yard player this year.

1198
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: A total k yards. Yeah, you need like four hundred

1199
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: yards in the game against Miami. I think he's at

1200
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: like forty six something.

1201
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 4: He is at.

1202
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: No, there we go, you're doing math forty six twelve,

1203
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: So he would need high three hundreds, which again, if

1204
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: he's playing that well, they're probably pulled in the start.

1205
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: Is like, he could be a five thousand, It's not impossible.

1206
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: So yes, I was doing math. I was doing tangible math.

1207
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: In summary, because you're you're you're mad at me. In summary,

1208
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: the better overall statistics are Drake May. The better statistics

1209
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: in common games are Drake May. The better statistics against

1210
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: top fifteen pass defenses belonged to Drake May, and Drake

1211
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: May did it with the worst supporting cast. So if

1212
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: your arguments are Matthew Stafford had a harder schedule, well, true,

1213
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: but if you whittle it down and sort of look

1214
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: into the numbers a little bit deeper than just easy schedule,

1215
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: hard schedule, it tells you that Drake May was damn

1216
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: good against the good teams that he played too. And

1217
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: then the last thing that I would just say is

1218
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: that if you're going to give the award to Matthew

1219
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: Stafford because he's been a great Hall of Fame caliber

1220
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: quarterback for a long time and it's kind of his turn,

1221
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: then that's like kind of lazy in my opinion. I

1222
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,479
Speaker 2: just don't really understand how you do that. You can't

1223
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: just assume that Drake May is going to play for

1224
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: another twenty years and have another twenty bites at the

1225
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: apple of MVP. That's probably going to happen. But you

1226
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: can't just assume that that's going to happen, that every

1227
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: single year he's going to be in the running, and oh,

1228
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 2: he'll get it eventually, we'll give it to him eventually.

1229
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: I think that that's a weak argument. So there you go.

1230
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: You can read this all on Patriots dot Com over

1231
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: the next couple of days. When I publish it if

1232
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: you want to actually look at the numbers, and I'll

1233
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: make boards and I'll make it fancy for all you

1234
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: and you can actually see what it looks like tangibly,

1235
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: because it's kind of hard to articulate numbers on a

1236
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: radio show, so I didn't want to get into like

1237
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: all of the statistics and confuse everybody. So you can

1238
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: see it visually here in a couple of minutes. Alex

1239
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: just wants to do it based off the eye test,

1240
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: so we'll end it there. You know who's the eye

1241
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: test quarterback? Best part? That's Drake May.

1242
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: But I think Stafford's gonna win it.

1243
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: I think Stafford's gonna win it too. But I think

1244
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna win it because they want to give him

1245
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: a lifetime achievement.

1246
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: Because they broke the thing. They broke the thing last year.

1247
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: You know who's fault it is?

1248
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: Who's faulted? Who's fault it is?

1249
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: That Drake May is not going to win the MVP.

1250
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: It's Josh Allen's faults. Well, it's his, it's his PR

1251
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: machine's fault. Stafford, I don't blame if he wants to

1252
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: have a good PR machine, I don't blame him. We

1253
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: all do, but it's his PR machine's fault.

1254
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, So we're going to take a

1255
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: quick break and then we'll open up the show to

1256
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: your calls and your emails. We'll talk a little playoff

1257
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: scenarios and Ox wants to get to the Hall of

1258
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: Fame stuff as well, so we'll see in them in in.

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Speaker 4: to play right.

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Speaker 2: DraftKings is all about responsible game. It's more fun when

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Speaker 2: it's for fun, so played responsibly. Draft Kings.

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Speaker 3: The Crown is.

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Speaker 8: Yours gambling problem called twenty one plus age and eligibility

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Speaker 8: varies by jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Catch twenty two catch catch catch check check.

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty chick starting to get a little bit of snow,

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Speaker 2: caush and snow was at last week and un picked

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Speaker 2: up there. I feel like I can feel it, you know,

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Speaker 2: you can you know that that smell before it's a

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Speaker 2: big snowstorm in the air, and you can kind of

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Speaker 2: just tell that the snow's coming. I feel like we're

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Speaker 2: we're coming into snow season.

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Speaker 1: So I think Tuesday supposed to snow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the next big snowstorm, could you be just

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Speaker 2: around the corner, make sure you are ready so you

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Speaker 2: can clear the snow and get back inside to cheer

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Speaker 2: on your New England Patriots. Erins is proud to be

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Speaker 2: the official snowblower of the New England Patriots. Visit www

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Speaker 2: dot Errands dot com to find your errands. You can't

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Speaker 2: see them because we have the desk going. I'm also

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Speaker 2: wearing my bron stretch that out. No, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to do that, but my brunt boots I've been wearing

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Speaker 2: NonStop over the last couple of weeks since the winter

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Speaker 2: really hit. Really comfortable. Highly recommend. My favorite part about

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Speaker 2: them is that they have no leases, so I can

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Speaker 2: literally they literally just slip right on your foot. It's

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Speaker 2: super easy.

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Speaker 1: I have to I don't know the bront Ones, but

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Speaker 1: they look very comfortable, but I just slip on. Boots

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Speaker 1: are excellent.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we can get you some bront Ones post snow

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Speaker 2: on Monday. Can we bump that up a little bit,

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Speaker 2: especially like when I have to go walk the dog

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Speaker 2: and all I have to do is kind of just

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Speaker 2: slide my foot Intorees perfect. So a little shout out

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Speaker 2: to Brunt as well, thank you for the boots. Let's

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Speaker 2: take these calls and we'll get to some emails, and

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Speaker 2: I also want to play a little game with the

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Speaker 2: playoff machine here in a second. But I know you

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Speaker 2: guys have been waiting. Max is in California. What's up, Max?

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Speaker 6: Can you guys hear me?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Cool? Hi, longtime listener, first time caller, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 6: You know how it is, love the show, keep it,

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Speaker 6: thank you, thank you. Three question for you two and

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Speaker 6: I'll try to make it quick.

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Speaker 3: Number one.

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Speaker 6: All the whole overarching things I want to talk about.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about past catchers, We're talking about wide receivers,

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Speaker 6: talking about tight ends, we're talking about supporting cast, blah

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Speaker 6: blah blah going into the off season. I think the

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Speaker 6: general gist. I know you guys talked on PU yesterday

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Speaker 6: about even though it's no longer like the big one,

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Speaker 6: big glaring need the team needs is a wide receiver

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Speaker 6: one or a major pass catcher, it's still a big need,

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Speaker 6: and I wanted to know. I think the first part

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Speaker 6: of this question is more for bars. Let's say off

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Speaker 6: season started today. Is there a particular pass catcher, wide

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Speaker 6: receiver in the draft that you've got your eyes on already?

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Speaker 6: And I'm not talking about like a Jordan Tyson who's

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Speaker 6: gonna go way before we're gonna be able to pick,

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Speaker 6: but like, you know, like a Chris Bell, someone who

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Speaker 6: you reasonably at this point are like, I think this

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Speaker 6: is a guy that would work on the Patriots and

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Speaker 6: we actually might have a chance to pick him up

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Speaker 6: in the draft. Part two, just talk about free agents,

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Speaker 6: Just talk about trade targets. Is there someone that you

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Speaker 6: already have your eyes on, conceivably for free agency next year.

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Speaker 6: I've heard Evan talk about Isaiah likely, Massachusetts native. We

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Speaker 6: need someone to pick up sort of the mantle for

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Speaker 6: the tight ends on the team because we only got

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Speaker 6: hunt a hemmy on contract. So first part, draft, second

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Speaker 6: part free agent, third part.

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Speaker 3: Let's say we pick.

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Speaker 6: Up a wide receiver in either of these two scenarios.

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Speaker 6: Right now we're carrying seven. Who do you guys think

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Speaker 6: is the odd man out? Because right now I think

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Speaker 6: all of them are under contract next year. There's not

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Speaker 6: really one guy who's clearly like we can tack them

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Speaker 6: to the curb because they're all kind of contributing in

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Speaker 6: one way or the other. So I'm curious who you

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Speaker 6: guys would maybe consider, like maybe letting go of to

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Speaker 6: make room for a new guy, and I'll take it

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Speaker 6: off there.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, there's a lot of unpacked yeah, really quickly

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Speaker 2: my opinion, I know you probably have more names than

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Speaker 2: I do. I guess I could ask you this too,

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Speaker 2: is a question, uh, in terms of receivers. You know

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Speaker 2: where I'm going with this, kayle. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: they're gonna have a shot at him, So if they,

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Speaker 2: I don't want this to happen. But let's just say

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Speaker 2: they losing on wild card weekend and they're picking, you know,

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Speaker 2: they pick like twenty first, twentieth.

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Speaker 1: Something you need to trade up.

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Speaker 2: So you still think he's gonna go too high? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think so because sometimes like though, like the the

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Speaker 2: Zay Flowers is the JSNS, like Jordan Addison, like those

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Speaker 2: guys all kind of fell to that like late teams early, and.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are really good, and I think the league's

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Speaker 1: starting to catch on.

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Speaker 2: Maybe one justin Jefferson, but that one was a mistake,

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Speaker 2: but justin jer Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I mean it's like what to the last part

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Speaker 1: question that was about receivers, Right, who's the guy out?

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Speaker 1: I mean that kind of informs the first question, right,

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Speaker 1: what role are you looking to fill?

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Speaker 7: Is?

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Speaker 2: Is mac Hollins back?

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Speaker 1: He's going to be on one you I don't think

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Speaker 1: he has any guaranteed money on his contract next year.

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Speaker 1: What's to do with Da Giggs? Those are probably the two.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they look at it and say, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna trade Kesehan BOUTI get a good pick for him

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Speaker 1: and kind of reset the timing there, you know, instead

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Speaker 1: of paying. I'm not saying they would do that, but

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Speaker 1: just like who do they want? If it is that

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Speaker 1: that z Ole that Digs, I'm just going with it

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Speaker 1: says nothing to do with what happened Noway, I'm just

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Speaker 1: going with him because he's the oldest player and we

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Speaker 1: knew and they sign him at the time, like he

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Speaker 1: was here for a good time, not a long time. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's a he's a bridge guy I really like. Uh

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Speaker 1: So he used to go by Casey. I've seen this

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Speaker 1: year he goes by Kevin. I don't know, so I

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Speaker 1: apologize if I get it wrong, but Casey conception out

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Speaker 1: of text A and M. Since i've seen, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: like him. You're kind of guy. So he was at

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Speaker 1: NC State, was unbelievable, unbelievable as a true freshman, and

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Speaker 1: then NC State last year just had a whole mess

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Speaker 1: at quarterback and it killed him and so he kind

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Speaker 1: of fell off the map. Transfers to text A and M.

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Speaker 1: He's been their number one receiver this year. Obviously they

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Speaker 1: get to the playoff. He puts some weight on this

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Speaker 1: last year, he puts some eyes on, which he needed

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Speaker 1: to do because he was kind of drifting towards that.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't quite as small as Tess Johnson, but like that,

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Speaker 1: can he be a three down player at his size

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Speaker 1: six eleven one ninety not six eleven that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Five eleven, one ninety, really good speed, excellent route runner

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Speaker 1: for his size, is terrific at the catch point. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of the biggest thing that stood out to me

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Speaker 1: about him this year is I knew he was a

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Speaker 1: guy that could get open, make guys miss after the catch,

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Speaker 1: you know, make plays over the middle of the field.

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01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: His ability to win and contested catches has really approved.

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Speaker 1: He's also a really good punt returner, and obviously they

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Speaker 1: have Marcus Jones, but you know, kicks punts whatever. Couldn't

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Speaker 1: hurt to have another guy that can do that. So

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Speaker 1: he's projected to be a late first round pick early

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Speaker 1: right now, late first round pick right now, probably within

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Speaker 1: the Patriots range. I think the color mentioned Chris Bell

1445
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: two from Louisville, who's the opposite.

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Speaker 2: He's the big outside guy.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 2: I've seen some really two early mock drafts, like putting

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Speaker 2: him on the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to see because he's gonna test really well

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01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: and he looks the part, you know, does he kind

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01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: of shoot up if one of these other guys like

1453
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: Denzel Boston moves down. But I for where I think

1454
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be at again, the legal stuff with Digs aside,

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: he's not here for that much longer conception conception own

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Speaker 1: in that role I think would be an awesome fit.

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01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: And the fact that there aren't that many guys that

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Speaker 1: play that role that are good contested catch guys. Having

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Speaker 1: that guy with Drake may that kind of puts it

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Speaker 1: over the top for me. So the Jordan Tyson dream

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Speaker 1: is dead. Like you mentioned, I still think Jordan Tyson

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Speaker 1: is the best receiver in the draft. We might have

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Speaker 1: some fun Jordan Tyson Carnell Tate debates this spring.

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Speaker 3: I know you do.

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Speaker 1: But Cant is another He's gonna go to high He's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a top time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But he's another like strong hands, you know down

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01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: he's so that's the guy if.

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Speaker 1: They move on from Hollands or Booty, he would make

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Speaker 1: more sense if they could realistically get him. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna call him KCC because again I don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: what he's going by now we'll find out. But casec

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Speaker 1: Ad text A and m that's my guy. I'm a

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Speaker 1: big fan.

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Speaker 2: I am going to hold out hope that mkayle Lemon

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Speaker 2: is within their range. You mentioned the Diggs thing with

1477
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Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. Nothing to do with was recent news,

1478
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: but we knew when they signed him that he was

1479
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 2: a bridge wide receiver one and especially in this Josh

1480
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: McDaniels offense, they are going to need a volume Z,

1481
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 2: a volume you know, move piece slot receiver, outside receiver,

1482
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: just like the exact role that Diggs is playing right now. Yeah,

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: that role he is not going to be a long

1484
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: term answer at his age and that role nothing to

1485
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: do again with what's going on off the field. So

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Speaker 2: to me, mkayle lemon just fits that to a t.

1487
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: Like McKayle lemon is going to be a high volume,

1488
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: flirt with one hundred catches type guy in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So again, I think conception own is also that guy.

1490
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: Just you're gonna be able to get him.

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01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: So you're like saying that he's like maybe early day two,

1492
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 2: late round one version and McKayle lemon's probably like the

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Speaker 2: top twenty version.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, Well, and it's going to be interesting because

1495
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: there's that you know how I love to talk about

1496
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: these guys like Jordan Addison was one of these guys.

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: I think that's the first thing we talked about. It's

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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: all going to be what's real. He had a really

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01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: good true freshman year in a down ACC was not

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Speaker 1: as good the next year. I personally believe that was

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01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: because of the quarterback. The other people are gonna say otherwise,

1502
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: And then he went to the ACC or the SEC

1503
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: and was much better. But like, which is the real?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to watch all three years to get

1505
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: the full picture of who he is on tape. You

1506
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: can't just watch last year.

1507
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 2: Uh, Lemon reminds me and maybe it's just the USC

1508
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: thing and then we can move on from this point.

1509
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: He does remind me a little bit of Amon Ras

1510
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: Sain Brown like he I think he. I don't know

1511
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: if he's quite as physical, because no one is really

1512
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: as physical as amine Ral Saint Brown, but there are

1513
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: similar players and similar play styles. I would just he

1514
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 2: would absolutely eat in Josh mcdaniels's offense.

1515
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with that.

1516
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: I just don't know that.

1517
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: Or it could be the Christian of the Alles thing again,

1518
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: where we sit here for four months and say, don't

1519
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: talk about him and he's not going to be there.

1520
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah and that, but if he's there, you run the

1521
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: and then he's there. I h freegency too. Yeah, Kyle Pitts, Kyle.

1522
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: Cop is gonna be expensive. He's gonna be expensive.

1523
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: Is he like it's one year.

1524
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's going to be expensive.

1525
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: I just I love that man.

1526
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: So I think Kyle Pitts is a great fit from

1527
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 2: a passing game perspective, and Drake May would love throwing

1528
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: seams and things like that to Kyle Pitts down the field.

1529
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: Kyle Bizz doesn't really block though, And like, the one

1530
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: kind of down side to what they have at right

1531
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: now at tight end is that they're not really a

1532
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 2: great running team out of two tight end sets. And

1533
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: if you can't run the ball out of two tight end,

1534
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 2: then you can't get the defense to react to the

1535
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: fact that you're in two tight end. So now you're

1536
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 2: still facing nickel defenses because you're not running the ball

1537
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: too well. So the whole idea of playing two tight

1538
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: ends is to get base defense on the field, so

1539
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: that way there you can get the tight ends on

1540
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: linebackers and hunt matchups like that. If you if you

1541
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 2: don't run the ball effectively out of two tight end,

1542
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: then it kind of and it hurts that Now if

1543
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,759
Speaker 2: you have a really good inline blocker paired with Kyle Pitts.

1544
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: Now you can use Kyle Pitts as kind of like

1545
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: a joker move tight end, and he's sort of in

1546
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: a different role. I just don't know. That's not Hunter

1547
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 2: Henry's game. Like Austin Hooper is a little bit better

1548
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: of an inline blocker, but he's not a dynamic receiver.

1549
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: Get a blocking tight end in the draft, So.

1550
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: Do you do that?

1551
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 2: You do something like that impair him differently. Now you're

1552
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 2: kind of blowing up the room as much point.

1553
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: So let me ask you about I know, and a

1554
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: lot of people mentioned Isaiah Likely, who I think we

1555
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: both like, Charlie Kohler. We give you two more names,

1556
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,839
Speaker 1: Kate Aughton, Penning Curagent.

1557
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe like kind of desert Austin Hooper replacement to me,

1558
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 2: if you're going to go that route.

1559
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: Well, but I think he's young.

1560
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: He's like twenty six years, like resetting the clock on it.

1561
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: Well, but I think that is like and maybe you know,

1562
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: if he gets in a rhythm with May, he becomes

1563
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: the guy that takes over for Henry eventually. Uh and

1564
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: then Foster mo.

1565
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 2: Row better blocker, but not not the receiver that the

1566
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: guys he was.

1567
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: With McDaniels in Vegas.

1568
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: He was I do wonder, you know, the one other

1569
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: tight end name. I do wonder what Vegas wants with

1570
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: Michael Mayer.

1571
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: You know, do they feel Yeah, did he have some

1572
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: quote though about like he didn't love playing for Josh They.

1573
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: All said that, so did Demante Adams. I don't know,

1574
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: but Mayor to me, is is one guy that I

1575
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 2: in terms of trade market at that position. You know,

1576
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: they already have Bowers, Like, do they need both guys?

1577
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: And do they feel like that's how they want to

1578
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 2: build their offense? Just a thought, but I really do.

1579
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a likely guy. I think that would

1580
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: be a great fit. I just love his explosiveness. Uh,

1581
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: in the passing game pits, I think is going to

1582
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: be an expensive get. And I'm not saying that they

1583
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: shouldn't be in that market.

1584
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: But I think if you're gonna make one or two splashes,

1585
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: yeah right, yeah, say, I know we just talked about

1586
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers, but I think more realistically they're

1587
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: going defense top. Let's say you get your edge in

1588
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, like that might free up to spend

1589
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: some money on a tight end.

1590
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. All right, Patty is an aguan. What's up, Patty?

1591
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 6: Are you.

1592
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: Doing all right? Got just a couple points. The second one,

1593
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about Alex for you because this might

1594
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 3: blow your mind. But the first thing I want to

1595
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 3: say is about the Drake may MVP talk. Just eyeball test.

1596
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 3: Like you, Evan, I haven't watched a lot of Stafford games,

1597
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 3: but just the eyeball test, the way that me has

1598
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 3: been able to push the ball downfield this year, and

1599
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 3: just the command that he's shown, and only his second

1600
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 3: year after going four straight, four straight seasons in a

1601
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 3: row with different offensive coordinators going back to college. I

1602
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 3: think the kids the complete package. I don't care about

1603
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 3: the Lifetime Achievement award. Just give the kids a freaking award,

1604
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 3: but I don't care if he gets it. The only

1605
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 3: MVP I care about the Super Bowl MVP. And just

1606
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 3: one more quick point on the whole MVP thing. Back

1607
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 3: in ninety nine, they flashed this stat. I think it

1608
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 3: was a past Ravens game, the only team and like

1609
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 3: the last thirty years, i'd had a worst opponent winning percentage,

1610
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 3: just based on winning percentage, and I don't know if

1611
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 3: this is true or not. Was the ninety nine rams.

1612
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 3: Does anybody talk about how that team was played a

1613
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 3: soft schedule or do they talk about are they revered

1614
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 3: as like the greatest show on turf and they're known

1615
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 3: as the Super Bowl champions now on forever? You know.

1616
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 3: So that's all I gotta that's my take on the

1617
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 3: MVP thing. Now it's this is this is an off

1618
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 3: season discussion. There was three guys realistically that I thought

1619
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 3: the Patriots could possibly trade for this is coming off season,

1620
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 3: and in no particular order. I said, the two wide

1621
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 3: receivers for the Vikings, Addison Jefferson or Max Crosby.

1622
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 6: I love all of them.

1623
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 3: After I watched the Monday Night game and Alex you

1624
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 3: said there's never going to be another Derrick Henry. You're

1625
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 3: not a dishonest person. In my opinion. I don't really

1626
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 3: know you, but like just just your takes, so I

1627
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 3: don't think you you throw dishonest tapes out there. I

1628
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 3: think Bjhon Robinson is going to be the next Derrick Henry.

1629
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 3: And I would be willing to give up my first

1630
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 3: round pick this year, this come in year, my twenty

1631
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 3: twenty seven first round pick, our second round pick this year,

1632
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 3: and our second round pick in twenty twenty eight to

1633
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 3: trade for him. We don't give up any of our players.

1634
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 3: We have a backfield of Bjon Robinson, Traveon Henderson, and

1635
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: our quarterback who's stopping.

1636
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: Us Evan reaching to hang up as quick as possible

1637
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: to running back.

1638
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: Bjhon's a tremendous so bad it's not necessarily the draft captains.

1639
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: He's also not I stand by, there's only one Derrick Henry.

1640
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: Like the way Bijon wins is different. A guy that's

1641
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: six four, a guy of a guy that's six four

1642
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: two point fifty that plays, should play, should play Harbaugh

1643
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: every single snap. Like, don't get me wrong, Bjon's great

1644
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: tyler Aljeer carries some of the load in that offense.

1645
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: And now Jeers, by the way, like a decent player,

1646
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: but a guy being a And McCaffrey is a three

1647
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: hundred touchier guy too, But a lot of those are

1648
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: catches and they're different, Like Derek Henry's just gronk at

1649
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: running back always.

1650
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 2: There's uh, you know, you know my take that there's

1651
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 2: like a handful of running back step matter. Bjon definitely matters, Yeah,

1652
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 2: McCaffrey matters. Derrick Henry matters. I would say that Jamior

1653
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 2: Gibbs might be in that club.

1654
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: There's some games they do pretty well without them, you're

1655
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: gonna put anybody else?

1656
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 2: I'd yeah, not this year, but I hear you like

1657
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 2: Saquon last year certainly well.

1658
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna more different action than that.

1659
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, like I don't. I'm

1660
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 2: just gonna say this real quickly, just to answer to

1661
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: the call you can take Justin Jefferson and Jon Robinson off.

1662
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: Anything that's not happening. Neither one of those guys is happening.

1663
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 2: I will say that evidence maybe Addison could happen.

1664
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna take that another direction because

1665
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: there's been some talk, especially if they lose on Sunday,

1666
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: do the Ravens kind of hit the reset button blow

1667
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: it up? I think there's been some reporting about Lamar

1668
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: Jackson's future. What's that going to look like?

1669
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: There?

1670
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: Trading for Dereck Henry, trading for Derick Henry.

1671
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe.

1672
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean if it's a second round pick for Derrick Henry,

1673
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: I have a really tough time, uh.

1674
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 2: Coming up with what the value for Derrick Henry would be.

1675
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: I literally just pulled up because he's old running back trades.

1676
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: He's obviously a first ballot Hall of Famer and still

1677
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: playing at a very high level. But he's over thirty. Yeah,

1678
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: you know so, I mean I I those are the

1679
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: types of trades that I wonder if he doesn't get

1680
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 2: traded for quite as much as we are expecting.

1681
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. So, for instance McCaffrey, Now

1682
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: McCaffrey was much much younger. Yeah, second, there was a second, third, fourth,

1683
01:17:58,920 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: and fifth.

1684
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so says probably still too.

1685
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: Let's say it's half of that for Derek Henry at

1686
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 1: this point. Let's say it's a second of fourth for

1687
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry.

1688
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 2: I think that's a lot.

1689
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 1: I might do it.

1690
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I wouldn't do it. I am saying

1691
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to.

1692
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: Let's say it's the third. I think it's going to

1693
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: be a top one hundred pick. He's not going for

1694
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: less than top one hundred.

1695
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 2: Maybe a second on its own second on Would you

1696
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: do that?

1697
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it would take a lot of the pressure off

1698
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 1: Drake May. Yeah, i'd probably he can still play. I

1699
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: said to somebody jokingly watching those games.

1700
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: You know, it kills me to.

1701
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: Say that if you could add Derrick Henry, Max Crosby,

1702
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: draft the linebacker, draft to guard, and everybody else stays put,

1703
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: how would you feel about that offseason? He got to

1704
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: ad depth here.

1705
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I mean that's that's Max, the Max Crosby.

1706
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: I'm usually the guy that sits here when everybody's throwing

1707
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: out the all pro names, saying no, it's not realistic.

1708
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: No they're not ready for it. No it's too soon,

1709
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: No it's too much.

1710
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 2: This might be the off season where we.

1711
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: Entertain some of those, not all of them, not every

1712
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: single one at once, but like I would call Max

1713
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: Crosby realistic target for the Patriots the soft season. He's available,

1714
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: that's the kind of guy that should be on I

1715
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,799
Speaker 1: might even trade a first round pick for Max Crosby.

1716
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: I agree that. I that I think that those types

1717
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 2: of guys, especially at edge rusher, wide receiver, positions of need.

1718
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if running back is truly a position

1719
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 2: of need. I mean, you have two good ones, but

1720
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: ed rusher and like playmaker, pass catcher, whatever you want

1721
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: to call it. On offense, I think is is definitely

1722
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 2: in play I think right now, and I just.

1723
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: Think Henry thing because he's so good. He has the

1724
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: relationship with Rape.

1725
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 2: No, I hear you, I just it, just I don't

1726
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 2: that's a cherry on top type of piece. Whereas, like

1727
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 2: I think ed rusher is the biggest need on the team.

1728
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 2: They need, they need an impact.

1729
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: Realistically, they could add Derek Henry and an edge rusher.

1730
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 1: May not Max Crosby, but I could add Derek Henry

1731
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: and an EDGECS.

1732
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think we're getting a little pie

1733
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: in this guy. All right, patrick'son PA. What's up? Patrick?

1734
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, quick question my questions about the Jets build

1735
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 5: game that happening this week. Evan, Since you said you're

1736
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 5: you know, affiliated with the mafia, have you heard what

1737
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 5: the plan is for the Jets week? Because I do

1738
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 5: have tickets to the divisional round game in Julette, and

1739
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 5: I really sweat a lot less for the next few weeks.

1740
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 5: If we get the Chargers in a wildcard round instead

1741
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 5: of the Bills, that they intentionally goog to the Jets

1742
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 5: and become the seventh. So I'll take it off the air.

1743
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 5: Hope you guys and your families have a happy New year.

1744
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: Thanks Patrick, Thanks for the call. So I've heard a

1745
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 2: couple of things about the Bills. One is that I

1746
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: do know that they really kind of care about it

1747
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: being the last game at high Mark Stadium. They're not

1748
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: going to have a home playoff game most likely, so

1749
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 2: this is probably going to be the last game they

1750
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 2: play ever at high Mark Stadium. I think it was

1751
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 2: like a fifty year run of that stadium sixties. I think, yeah,

1752
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: So that that's like, what can I say something nice

1753
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 2: about the Bills in a second? Let me finish my point,

1754
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 2: not gonna let me that that stadium no offense at

1755
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 2: all men dead stadium is kind of a.

1756
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: Nineteen that I was gonna say, nice, that's a great Wait,

1757
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: that's what football stadium.

1758
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 2: Should that places that places. I'm not saying that I

1759
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: like the cookie cutter news stadiums all the time and either.

1760
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: But like that place is logistically, I think it should

1761
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: be closer to that than the new ones.

1762
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 2: So that that place is closing now, is that is

1763
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: showing out and winning in front of your home fans

1764
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: in the last game at high Mark Stadium worth risking

1765
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 2: playing Josh Allen for four quarters against the Jets. No,

1766
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 2: but do you need to play him four quarters against

1767
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: the Jets to ensure that you win the game. We

1768
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: just watched the Patriots pull Drake May in the third

1769
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: quarter against the Jets a week ago. I would say

1770
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: it's a weird sort of situation where the Jets might

1771
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 2: be so bad that the Bills aren't really capable of

1772
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 2: like fully tanking that game unless they truly like go

1773
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,799
Speaker 2: out there and like miss a field goal on purpose,

1774
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm saying, tank within reason.

1775
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: Is there a chance they get emotional about they want

1776
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: Josh Allen to take the final snap at high Mark

1777
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: always put him back in the game.

1778
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: For a Neil down or something. Yeah, I think so.

1779
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: I think that there's some there's some emotion there tied

1780
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: to the fact that it's the last game in that

1781
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 2: stadium and they want to go out with a win.

1782
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: I think I honestly, I respect that. I respect that.

1783
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're wearing the red helmets. You like one

1784
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: of the guys who liked the Bloods of Arab Bill's uniforms.

1785
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: New ones are very big of you. Imp well complicates though,

1786
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: like he's hurt. He's not right, Yes, Alan, that's why

1787
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't about that.

1788
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 2: If you're a Bills fan, there's no way that you

1789
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: can as the leader about being good.

1790
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen fan Club, do you want to answer for

1791
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: him not diving on that fumble and missing the throw

1792
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: on the two point play?

1793
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: That's what I thought, Rhode Island.

1794
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going on? So? I was calling in

1795
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 4: thinking about the off season coming up, partially about the

1796
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 4: draft and partially about players that could potentially be on

1797
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 4: their way out of town. I was going back to

1798
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 4: I actually think there was a report by you, Evan

1799
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,520
Speaker 4: or you were talking about it last week about Barmore

1800
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 4: having a lot of complaints about holding that the Patriots

1801
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 4: weren't necessarily seeing as well. Is that accurate?

1802
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I think every player does that, Randy, But

1803
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 2: I keep going.

1804
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 4: I just think that he hasn't been quite as productive

1805
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 4: as we would like this year. The key stat that

1806
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,959
Speaker 4: I look at is two point one percent miss tackles

1807
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 4: is way off the board for like his normal amount.

1808
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 4: Like normally he was a three four percent miss tackles guy.

1809
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 4: This year, he's been really bad in that situation. He

1810
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 4: hasn't really produced from a pass rushing standpoint in terms

1811
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 4: of like finishing it off. He's created pressures. But I

1812
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 4: just don't think he's produced like what you would expect

1813
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 4: a twenty one million a year detackled to produce. And

1814
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 4: then I think Milton Williams being down like Barmore, should

1815
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 4: be anchoring that lot. They shouldn't have fallen apart like

1816
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 4: it has. Most teams don't have two superstar defensive tackles,

1817
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 4: you know, most a lot of teams one superstar and

1818
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 4: then you build around that. And I just he seems

1819
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 4: like a candidate to me that could be on his

1820
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 4: way out of town. Rabling Company kind of tried to

1821
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 4: rid themselves of a lot of old contracts last summer,

1822
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 4: but obviously he wasn't a guy you could now you

1823
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 4: have a fully healthy season out of him, playing his

1824
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 4: second most snaps in his career, and I just think

1825
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 4: that maybe you could get some value out of them.

1826
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,799
Speaker 4: And then to the draft. I had heard the earlier

1827
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 4: caller talking about wide receivers, and you guys were talking

1828
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 4: about wide receivers. You were talking about a lot of

1829
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 4: the smaller, like five to eleven cycle wide receivers. I

1830
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 4: been looking at this draft and looking at a couple

1831
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 4: of the bigger guys myself. You guys have mentioned Denzel Boston,

1832
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 4: and he's the good first round target, great ideal player

1833
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 4: for this team to match with Drake may on deep throws.

1834
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 4: And he's a great run blocker. But I think a

1835
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 4: date late day two, early day three target, maybe Malachi

1836
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 4: Fields out of Notre Dame. Another big body, makes contested

1837
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 4: catches and most importantly he run blocks. And with mac

1838
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 4: hollins being down on injured reserve, it's like, we need

1839
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 4: a guy that has that body type, so we're not

1840
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 4: solely reliant on Mac maccollins being, you know, playing that roley.

1841
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 4: What do you guys think about that? In one more team,

1842
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 4: one more gut to throw at you for the drafts

1843
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 4: car Dylan de enemu ra Abile built that Tennessee defense

1844
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 4: around not just Jeffery Simmons on the line, but around

1845
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 4: Kevin Byard of the safety position. And I think that

1846
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 4: we've already got, you know, Milton Williams, go get your

1847
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 4: Kevin Byard, Go get your back back end guy. You know,

1848
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 4: he still upset the great leader, obsessed with personal growth,

1849
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 4: team and growth, just all the innschansibles, but the on

1850
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 4: field stuff. Day one starter from true as a true freshman, I.

1851
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,799
Speaker 2: Purdue, all right, Rennie, I gotta let you go. Sorry,

1852
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: thanks for the call, and I do appreciate all the

1853
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 2: research and the information that you had. I'm not trying

1854
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 2: to particularly, I don't like king him up on people.

1855
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing I would say, you know, with

1856
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 2: Barmore at that point, I guess maybe I just I

1857
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe I'm biased with Barmore. He's one of

1858
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 2: the guys that I really like in that locker room.

1859
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think he's been pretty productive. You know, Yeah, he.

1860
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: Doesn't have the stats, but if you go watch the tape,

1861
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: like he's made an impact.

1862
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 2: I just don't really feel like that position organically. I

1863
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 2: don't unless you're like Aaron Donald or Chris Jones, Like

1864
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 2: the sacks don't really come. I mean, I'm looking at

1865
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 2: it here. He's seventh among defensive tackles and win Rady's

1866
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 2: top ten total pressures. He was up there near the

1867
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 2: top of the league when Bilton Williams was playing next

1868
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 2: to him in total pressures, and now he's still in

1869
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 2: the top tennis. You know, he's got four hands on

1870
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 2: him all the time. He's getting doubled on pretty much

1871
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 2: every play, and we talk a lot of the time

1872
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 2: about like Tuesday players and things like that, that he

1873
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 2: has become the Tuesday player of that front. So I'm

1874
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 2: gonna defend him a little bit. I'm not saying that

1875
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 2: it's a totally off base take that. You know, maybe

1876
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 2: they could look to move some players like that. You

1877
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: know that maybe they think are are not great fits

1878
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be. But I'm gonna have

1879
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 2: Barmore's back a little bit. I think he's been better

1880
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 2: than what the caller was saying.

1881
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 1: I think this defense is he said a lot of

1882
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: teams don't have to two star defensive tackles, but I

1883
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what this defense is predicator around. Yeah,

1884
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: you look at I think it was Vrabels last year

1885
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 1: in Tennessee or was he gone? But you look at

1886
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 1: what they've tried to build in a similar defensive system.

1887
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 2: It's not just.

1888
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons' Devandre Sweat, who's been a good player like I.

1889
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Do you need two guys like that? No, probably not.

1890
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: But if you have a guy like I wouldn't rush

1891
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: one of them out there.

1892
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 2: Defensive tackles or standouts or stars or whatever you want

1893
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 2: to call them. But Barmore has been getting a lot

1894
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 2: of double teams, and I don't think the other guys

1895
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 2: are really forcing the offense's hand to stop doubling Barmore,

1896
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 2: which is what you need.

1897
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Right It's not a coincidence the defense, Like let's say

1898
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,799
Speaker 1: it Ben Barber who went down instead of Milton Williams.

1899
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I still think they'd be having a lot of the

1900
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: similar problems right now.

1901
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Okay, So the other point that

1902
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: he made about the receivers, I think is kind of

1903
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 2: a fair one, Like this is probably another area where

1904
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm kind of biased. I just don't love the big

1905
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 2: body guys. This is not my type. It's not my

1906
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: flavor of wide receiver. I like the separators. I like

1907
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 2: the guys that bring speed to the table. But there's

1908
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,480
Speaker 2: no doubt that Drake may likes throwing to bigger receivers.

1909
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 2: He clearly liked throwing to Matt Collins, especially over the

1910
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 2: middle of the field. He likes throwing to the tight ends.

1911
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 2: I would probably favor just adding a more explosive, dynamic

1912
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: pass catching tight end over adding like a big body X.

1913
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 2: But I hear the point of you know, maybe doing

1914
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: uh the other route instead. I just I like Booty.

1915
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: I think he's you know, a good enough player in

1916
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: that role that they have him in. Now, you know,

1917
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 2: Matt Collins will probably stick around for one more season.

1918
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 2: Uh so maybe you know eventually they kind of look

1919
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 2: for that big outside guy. It's just not my type.

1920
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 1: I go back to if they want to get a

1921
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: guy later in the draft as a project for that

1922
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: spot and build it up from there, you know, we

1923
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: can have another conversation. We certainly, Wow, why am I

1924
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: blanking on his name? The guy from South Carolina that

1925
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: I've been like obsessed with. Oh Harbor, Yeah, thank you, nick.

1926
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: I almost said to Clay Harbor and listen he say

1927
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: he's going back to school. He's not on the big

1928
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: board whatever. Like we can talk about a project eye

1929
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 1: late on day three if we're talking about the guys

1930
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds, like, that's a guy that's

1931
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: got to play. And so if you're bringing back mac

1932
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Hollins and you're bringing back Keisha on Booty, that guy

1933
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: is just not going to play.

1934
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1935
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: So it's kind of how it becomes really hard to jump. Okay,

1936
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: and by the way they bring back everybody, then you

1937
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: don't take a wide receiver high.

1938
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: So I know we have a couple more calls.

1939
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: Carber is going back to school.

1940
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.

1941
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: All right, so we'll have to wait. Know that you're

1942
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: under Carver.

1943
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 2: So I want to but I wanted to get some

1944
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 2: of these other things before we take these last couple

1945
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 2: of calls. Just playoff scenarios Dolphins, A little on the Dolphins,

1946
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 2: which I do think is kind of a classic spoiler

1947
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 2: frisky game. Not the Jets. The Jets. I laughed fred

1948
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 2: Off off the show last week when he tried to

1949
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 2: hype up the Jets a little bit. I was like,

1950
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 2: that's not happening. Jet. The Jets have no chance in

1951
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 2: this game. I do think I do give the Dolphins

1952
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 2: a chance if the Dolphins want to play, Like if

1953
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 2: they come to play and they won't take the game seriously,

1954
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 2: I do give them a puncher's chance. But I want

1955
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: to do this first, and then we'll do a little

1956
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 2: bit on the Dolphins. There are five different playoff scenarios, Alex.

1957
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: For the Patriots, I'll just read them off and then

1958
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: I want you to rank them in order of All right,

1959
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 2: we're doing more ranking. So do you want to who

1960
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 2: you want to face to, who you don't want to

1961
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 2: face right, So one would be the best possible scenario.

1962
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 2: Five would be the worst possible scenario. So here are

1963
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:11,560
Speaker 2: the five. And granted there's a lot of different you know,

1964
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 2: odds of these happening, you know, are higher and lower

1965
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 2: in different places. Obviously the first round by you could

1966
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 2: play the Bills, you could play the Jaguars, you could

1967
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:22,799
Speaker 2: play the Chargers, or you could play the Texans.

1968
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: Now the jack is pretty easy.

1969
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 2: The Jaguars can lose the division if they lose and

1970
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: the Texans win this week, so that is still in

1971
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 2: play in the in the AFC South, the most likely,

1972
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 2: just based off the percentages which take it for weight,

1973
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: will is the Chargers, you know, but ranked those.

1974
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: Five buys obviously number one, yep, you want to buy

1975
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: like not having going to play a game is the

1976
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: best possible outcome. As much as we all love watching

1977
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: Patriots football, when you get to this time of year

1978
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: of the playoffs, even if you think there's an easy

1979
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: opponent out there, your risk injuries or this or that

1980
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, no buys Number one by a wide margin.

1981
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: Number two is Chargers, yep. And they're bending up Herbert

1982
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: and the cold. I know he was good in the

1983
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: game here last year that was the late Patriots. People are, yeah,

1984
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't count. I don't love him in the cold

1985
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 1: coming in that Jets game. They are good on the

1986
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and so you know with the offensive line, Well,

1987
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: all right, they're good, they're they're correct.

1988
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 2: Sorry, but.

1989
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: They're not an easy opponent. I do think people are

1990
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: under selling them a little bit.

1991
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 2: But I do put them in two. I mean, whenever

1992
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: you go up against the Harbaugh and Herbert in the playoffs,

1993
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 2: that's not an easy uh.

1994
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: Next is the Jaguars. I think they're similar to the Chargers.

1995
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: The only reason I put them ahead is they're coming

1996
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: in hot. The Chargers aren't.

1997
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1998
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: I guess if the Chargers backups beat the Broncos maybe

1999
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,560
Speaker 1: that changes that. But like the Jaguars are playing and

2000
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots to buy that's right, assuming the Patriots win.

2001
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: The Jaguars are playing really good football right now. So

2002
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 1: I just I give them the edge because they're a

2003
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 1: little bit more on a heater.

2004
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 2: My Jaguars thing is the reason why I I'd feel

2005
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 2: comfortable with the Jaguars because I'm with you on this

2006
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 2: list so far. I Liam Cohen coaching his first ever

2007
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: playoff game. He's had a great season. He's definitely a

2008
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 2: candidate for Coach of the Year. But I'm just taking

2009
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 2: Rabel and McDaniels with their you know, playoff experience, and

2010
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 2: we you know, Trevor Lawrence in the playoffs, I think

2011
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 2: has been a little bit dice. He had that one

2012
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 2: thirty point comeback, he had the one comeback, but he

2013
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 2: also put himself down thirty point true.

2014
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: So you know, seeing this Patriots team.

2015
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but I'm with you. So if I Chargers, if.

2016
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: I had a tier them by his Tier one ideal

2017
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 1: Tier two's, yeah, I feel good as good as you

2018
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: can feel about it. Chargers and Jaguars. Then there's the

2019
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: Texans is four, which is the tier Like, I don't

2020
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: want to see them because it's.

2021
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:45,759
Speaker 2: A matchup nightmare.

2022
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying the Patriots can't beat them, but

2023
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: that front man, the defense, there's more to c J.

2024
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Stroud than what he's done in the regular season. Don't

2025
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: sleep on CJ. Stroud.

2026
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 2: I don't sleep on CJ. Stroud. I do sleep on

2027
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 2: that offense as a whole. And I I don't think

2028
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 2: it's been a great year for a guy that I

2029
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 2: like the pieces Nick Kele could click.

2030
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Nick Cayley's might be the weaker link of that offense,

2031
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: but they got talent. Number five is the Bills, yep,

2032
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 1: which I feel like I shouldn't be scared of them,

2033
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: but I am. I Josh Allen's banged up. You want

2034
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: to talk about coaching in the playoffs? Sean McDermott just

2035
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: pukes all over himself every year, That's true. Every year

2036
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: he will do something stupid in that game. But and

2037
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen's hurt, So, like, where's josh Allen's foot at?

2038
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: Is part of this? If Josh Allen's trying to play

2039
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: on a broken foot, I doubt that's what it is.

2040
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: But like, right, yeah, okay, I'd probably rather play the

2041
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: Bills in Texans. But there's something about playing a team

2042
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: a third time that just bugs me. I don't want

2043
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: to deal with it.

2044
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 2: Uh, that's it for me, That's exactly. I have the

2045
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 2: exact same list. I think the biggest thing with the

2046
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 2: Bills is not necessarily did I fear that the Patriots,

2047
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 2: you know, we get blown off the field or anything

2048
01:34:59,000 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: like that.

2049
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the thing that you just mentioned. It's just

2050
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: weird when you play a team I love weird football.

2051
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 1: It's I don't like my team having a weird thing

2052
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.

2053
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 2: It's just weird.

2054
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing, like give me Bears packs. In

2055
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 1: the NFC, I'll watch the hell out of that.

2056
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 2: Right And when they've also played two games that were

2057
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 2: decided within one score, that are both kind of toss

2058
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 2: up games in the regular season, it's just it's bound

2059
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 2: to be one of those kind of weird third time

2060
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:31,520
Speaker 2: through division things I just want no part of. I'm

2061
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 2: with you on the Chargers. I think that this year,

2062
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 2: unfortunately for the Patriots, There's been years, you know, really

2063
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 2: recent years where the two to seven matchup is a

2064
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 2: cupcake for the two seed. It's like, yeah, an eight

2065
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 2: and nine or nine and eight I should say Steelers team,

2066
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 2: or you know, a Colts team that doesn't have its

2067
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 2: quarterback or you know whatever. You know, there's other permutations

2068
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 2: of that happening, Sam, in the NFC, this isn't one

2069
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 2: of those years. This is this is a deep playoff

2070
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 2: field this year. In the AFC.

2071
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: I do want to add one thing to all of this.

2072
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 1: There is a scenario that I've kind of been looking

2073
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: at which goes beyond the first round. I'm trying to

2074
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: remember exactly what it was.

2075
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 2: I think this is it, so.

2076
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: No one thing has to flip here there it is okay,

2077
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: so you can get to a spot. I think the

2078
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 1: ideal if I were to give you the ideal for

2079
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots, outside of getting the buy seating two to

2080
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: seven Patriots, Jaguar, Steelers, Bills, Texans, Chargers, for that to happen,

2081
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: it's every favorite winning but the Texans. And the reason

2082
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,679
Speaker 1: that's important is if the Patriots take their business against

2083
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Yes, the Jags can beat the Texans, I think,

2084
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 1: and the Bills are gonna beat the Steelers obviously. Yeah,

2085
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: you now get there's actually another version of this anyway,

2086
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: there's some path I was trying to figure it out

2087
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: where the Texans, Bills, and Broncos all have to play

2088
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,600
Speaker 1: each other before they get to the Patriots, and the

2089
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Patriots basically, oh, Jags Chargers to the AFC Championship.

2090
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 2: So I think that that's the path of that. I

2091
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 2: was also going to bring up it's Chargers Jaguars, right,

2092
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 2: because I think the big thing is is that everybody

2093
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: has to remember because it's been a little bit since

2094
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 2: we've had this these types of conversations, it recedes in

2095
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 2: the NFL. So the lowest remaining seed is going to

2096
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 2: go to Denver. So if the Patriots take care of

2097
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: business against the let's say call it the Chargers just

2098
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: for this argument or this conversation, and either the five

2099
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 2: or the six win their matchup, Denver is gonna draw

2100
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: either Houston or Buffalo in the divisional round, which means

2101
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 2: the Patriots would then get the Jaguars in that scenario, right,

2102
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 2: And so if that happens, and you could go Jaguars, Chargers, Jaguars,

2103
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 2: and then potentially you could be like hosting the Bills

2104
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship game, you might not even need

2105
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 2: to go on the road, because you know how I

2106
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 2: feel about Denver. I'm not trying to make this Denver thing,

2107
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 2: but Broncos Bills or Broncos Texans is not a guarantee

2108
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 2: that Denver wins that game. So, and that's the case,

2109
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,600
Speaker 2: the Patriots all of a sudden could be in a

2110
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,560
Speaker 2: position where they're hosting the AFC Championship game, which is

2111
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 2: easily three straight home games is easily.

2112
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 1: So trying to remember exactly what the permutation of it.

2113
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 2: Was, but this is also just sorry not to cut

2114
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 2: you off, but this is all also why I think

2115
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of important to play for the number

2116
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 2: two seed because if you win the number two seed,

2117
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 2: the only place you can play on the road is Denver.

2118
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 2: And if Denver gets tripped up by one of those

2119
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 2: wildcard teams that we're talking about the Texans are the Bills. Well,

2120
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 2: now you don't have to go on the road at all.

2121
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 2: And I know the Patriots are eight and zero on

2122
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 2: the road and their road Warriors and all that stuff.

2123
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 2: It's the playoffs it's different, and the regular season it

2124
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 2: actually bears out. You know, if you look at the

2125
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 2: last like three to five years, the regular season win

2126
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 2: percentage for home road is pretty even. Yeah, but it's not.

2127
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 2: In the playoffs. It goes back to the home team heavily.

2128
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 1: And I think here's what it was. I think it

2129
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: was Patriots, two Jags, three Ravens, four Texans, five, Bill six,

2130
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 1: Chargers seven, because the Bills should beat the Jags in Jacksonville, right,

2131
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: the Ravens can knock off the I thought there was

2132
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 1: some way where you got Bills.

2133
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 2: No, you can't.

2134
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: If the Bills and Texans both went in the first round.

2135
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: One of them would have to play the Patriots. So

2136
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: you need the Jacks to be playing one of those teams.

2137
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 2: You want the Jaguars to hold serve against their team,

2138
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 2: whether it's the Texans or the Bills. You rot the Texans,

2139
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 2: are the Bills to go to Denver, and you want

2140
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,719
Speaker 2: the Jaguars to come here. It's that. It's really that sense,

2141
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 2: right yeah, all right, let's uh the point. There's a

2142
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 2: way you don't get.

2143
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 1: We're giving you one of those teams just in the chance.

2144
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 1: Everybody trying to follow. I'm working on the playoff machine

2145
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 1: right now. I'm working on I'm trying to figure it out,

2146
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 1: all right.

2147
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 2: But that's our ranking because everybody, all the emails are

2148
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 2: who would you play? Who would you play? So buy

2149
01:39:55,680 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 2: by the way, Chargers, Jaguars, Texans, Bills, that's our that's

2150
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 2: our from least scary to most scary.

2151
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: The the NFC playoff picture rules.

2152
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 2: I haven't even looked at it. I'm not gonna lie

2153
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:11,560
Speaker 2: so I I know what it is, but it's not

2154
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 2: right now.

2155
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: You could have Packers, Bears, y awesome, Eagles, Niners always

2156
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 1: a fun game, and then even the four or five

2157
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 1: could be Bucks Rams and I feel like those teams

2158
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: have met in the playoffs kind of regularly recently, so

2159
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: he gets some bad blood there. That's a fun that's

2160
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: a fun field.

2161
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:27,799
Speaker 2: So can we talk a little bit about the Dolphins

2162
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 2: if you want, Yeah, let's do ten minutes on the

2163
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 2: Dolphins to wrap this thing up. I am laying down

2164
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 2: my sword. I am not gonna argue about Mike McDaniel,

2165
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 2: the head coach with you any longer you won this one,

2166
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 2: you were right. That's right, Okay, you've won this one.

2167
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're gonna move on from Mike McDaniel.

2168
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 2: He's gonna go at worst seven and ten, at best

2169
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,719
Speaker 2: eight and nine. If they beat the Patriots on Sunday,

2170
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 2: it might be a situation where he gets like this

2171
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 2: to start next year, and if they start, they're one

2172
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 2: and sick to start. I think this year, if they

2173
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 2: start like that again, then he gets fired midseason. I

2174
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 2: don't know what they're gonna do. The one thing I

2175
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 2: do know about Mike McDaniel, though, and I think we

2176
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 2: are in agreement on this piece of it. Mike McDaniel

2177
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 2: knows how to scheme an offense, he's a very good

2178
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. And I have watched both games that they

2179
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,799
Speaker 2: played with quinn Eewers, I've been a little impressed.

2180
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 4: Now.

2181
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:26,799
Speaker 2: The reasons why quinn Ewers has not been terrible, especially

2182
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 2: in the first half of games. He kind of falls

2183
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 2: apart a little bit in the second half is because

2184
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 2: they are just driving efficiency and spamming play action. Like

2185
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 2: they are calling runs in play actions at a league

2186
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 2: high rate since quinn Ewers went in there, it's a

2187
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 2: twenty percent play action rate to lead the league. In

2188
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 2: the last two weeks is over seventy percent run action

2189
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 2: run or play action pass to lead the league. So

2190
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 2: they are just running the ball at eight chan and

2191
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 2: play action pass that That is what they are doing

2192
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 2: over and over and over again. But to yours' credit,

2193
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 2: to Mike mc daniel's credit, it's worked for the most part.

2194
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 4: You know.

2195
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 2: Now the second half is it falls apart. So this

2196
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 2: is a big opening script versus out of the script split.

2197
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 2: Right when they get those first twenty plays or so,

2198
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 2: they're absolutely humming. They're averaging seven almost eight yards of

2199
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 2: play in the first half over the last two weeks

2200
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 2: against the Bengals and the Bucks. It falls apart for

2201
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,759
Speaker 2: them in the second half. So I think the biggest

2202
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 2: thing about this game that worries me a tad is

2203
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 2: that this is a Dolphins team that can run the

2204
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 2: football and run it well. They are top ten in

2205
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 2: the league in EPA. Ighthn leads the league in explosive runs.

2206
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 2: He has forty runs over ten plus yards. This Yeri's

2207
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 2: having the fantastic season. So they can run the ball.

2208
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 2: They can run it out of heavy personnel. They're gonna

2209
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 2: put the full back and gold he's gonna play, They're

2210
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 2: gonna put the tight ends out there. They're gonna run

2211
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 2: it heavy, and then they're gonna run play action off

2212
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 2: the run heavy looks and they start fast and what

2213
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 2: has the one thing that the Patriots defense has had

2214
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 2: trouble with not started fast, not starting fast. So I

2215
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 2: don't think that this is a game that is going

2216
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 2: to totally get away from the Patriot it's by any means,

2217
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't shock me if it's a little dicey early,

2218
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 2: because I think the Dolphins have played pretty well, especially

2219
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 2: over the last like eight or nine games. Defensively, they're

2220
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 2: thirteenth in DVA during this little resurgence. If you want

2221
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 2: to call it that. They've been six and three over

2222
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,640
Speaker 2: their last nine games. And I am not a you

2223
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 2: ers guy, you know that. I don't think you were

2224
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,600
Speaker 2: too high on him either. He looks pretty poised to me,

2225
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 2: like he doesn't look too big for him. He can't

2226
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 2: throw the ball down the field. He's got a little

2227
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 2: bit of that like Mac Jones thing in him right

2228
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 2: where it's like when he's in rhythm to the first

2229
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 2: and second level. He's accurate, he's decisive, he's poised. If

2230
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 2: you ask him to push the ball down the field

2231
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 2: into tighter windows, he has problems. So I do think

2232
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 2: there's some things matchup wise that I'm looking forward to

2233
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 2: watching in this game. With one big caveat ye, does

2234
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:55,759
Speaker 2: Miami care and does Miami show up? And does Miami

2235
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 2: want to play in twenty five degree Foxborough weather on

2236
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 2: Sunday and not down in South Beach like they did

2237
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 2: last week when they upset Tampa Bay, Like do they

2238
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 2: give a craps.

2239
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:09,280
Speaker 1: Supposed to be thirty degrees a little onto thirty degrees

2240
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:09,799
Speaker 1: a kickoff?

2241
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 2: So if they are already one, two three Cancun, then

2242
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 2: this game might look a little bit different than what

2243
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,839
Speaker 2: I think it could if the Dolphins care. But the Dolphins,

2244
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 2: if they care, if they play this string out and

2245
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. I like this matchup from

2246
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 2: a standpoint of Unlike the Jets, who are just kind

2247
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 2: of in a bad way, the Dolphins have some things

2248
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 2: they could do that could hurt the Patriots, and it

2249
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 2: might be good to see the Patriots try to combat

2250
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,719
Speaker 2: those things. Whether it's like the Sky's coverage on defense

2251
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:44,560
Speaker 2: with Cover two, whether it's the run game offensively of

2252
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 2: Miami attacking linebackers in coverage, right, like these types of

2253
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:50,639
Speaker 2: things that we have some concerns with with the Patriots.

2254
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 2: I think the Dolphins can pull some of those levers.

2255
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:55,640
Speaker 2: I think this is like kind of a game in

2256
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 2: my opinion. Now it's not Bills in Baltimore, right, Like,

2257
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 2: it's not that, But I think this is like a

2258
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 2: sneaky kind of could be an interesting game from that standpoint, Like,

2259
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm gonna have more to chew on

2260
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 2: from this one than I did the Jets.

2261
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said earlier, a little more of a

2262
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,600
Speaker 1: tune up game, yeah than maybe the Jets are and

2263
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 1: you know they've had trouble with the speed.

2264
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 2: Obviously good special teams.

2265
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 1: Teams still have to balance that too, But is it

2266
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: are the Dolphins showing up to play spoiler like they

2267
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: did in twenty nineteen or is kankun on three?

2268
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? So they do have speed. The explosive players are

2269
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 2: still definitely there, even without Tyreek Hill. You know Wattle

2270
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 2: ah Chan Malik Washington is a fast guy. Greg Doltic

2271
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 2: to the tight end has kind of emerged. You have

2272
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 2: you watched yours at all yet, because I he's kind

2273
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 2: of got a little something something going on in the

2274
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Who is that quin yours? Yeah?

2275
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I so, I have liked him and then

2276
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 1: he kind of had that rough year at Texas. I

2277
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 1: think he's maybe banged up, which didn't help. But I

2278
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: mean I think he's, like, I think he's a serviceable

2279
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 1: NFL backups, starter kind of quarterbacks. So to see him

2280
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,640
Speaker 1: having this kind of success is not surprising. But how

2281
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 1: sustained is it? Usually with these guys, the wheels kind

2282
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: of fall off the wagon. You just sort of hope

2283
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: that's this week.

2284
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 2: Well, it certainly has fallen off the wagon for them

2285
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 2: in second half. The second half against Cincinnati was like

2286
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 2: fumble interception fumble, turnover on downs and the Bengals just

2287
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 2: went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. Yeah, and all of a

2288
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 2: sudden they were up by twenty points. So it's falling

2289
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 2: apart from him in the second halves of these games.

2290
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 2: And they're driving up that Like I said earlier, they're

2291
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 2: driving up that efficiency with play action, which is always

2292
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 2: like it's kind of like a cheat code, you know,

2293
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 2: and you have good play action passing. It's easy to

2294
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 2: play quarterback like that when you have the run game going,

2295
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 2: you have the play actions going. It's it's not a

2296
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 2: lot of heavy lifting on the quarterback. But I thought

2297
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:45,680
Speaker 2: that he's made some good decisions too, just you know,

2298
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 2: seeing the field pretty well. I don't know about the

2299
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 2: physical tools, you know, that's going to be the question

2300
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 2: with him. He's a little bit undersized. I don't know

2301
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 2: if he has a big enough arm to push the

2302
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 2: ball down the field, by the way you have to

2303
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 2: do at this level. But I can see what they

2304
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 2: see in him because he's got that.

2305
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 1: Like kind of discount brock party thing going on. Yeah, right,

2306
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 1: I think you compared him to Bo Nicks at one point.

2307
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 2: Ur you know, I don't threak drafts like discount. Brock

2308
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 2: Party is not too disrespectful, right, Like, I feel like

2309
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 2: that's a that's a fair.

2310
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 1: Comp Rock Party is usually the one that gets discount

2311
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: put in front of his name. So it depends and

2312
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 1: people feel very different ways on Rock Party.

2313
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that that Yours creates as well out

2314
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 2: of structure as brock Party. Rock Party is kind of

2315
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 2: a little bit frisky with that. You know, he can

2316
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 2: run around a little bit and extend plays. I don't

2317
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 2: think yours has that in him, but the I do

2318
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 2: think the the element of it though, is you know

2319
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 2: that offense when you run and you press the buttons

2320
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 2: that you need to press and all that kind of

2321
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 2: stuff like that, that offense can click just based off

2322
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 2: the scheme. It's a good scheme, it's a good system.

2323
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 2: Uh So you have that quarterback that can just kind

2324
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 2: of push buttons, whether it's pretty or Jimmy gar Apollo

2325
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:02,720
Speaker 2: or maybe that's when yours, Like I could see why

2326
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 2: McDaniel would like him, Yeah, because that's all he's going

2327
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 2: to do. That neutral quarterback just make decisions that make

2328
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 2: the right decision, Like it's buttons on the on the

2329
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 2: PlayStation controller and when you.

2330
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 1: Need to get a little frisky. You can get a

2331
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: little frisky who run the ball around a little bit?

2332
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, we can take these last two calls,

2333
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 2: but we got to be quick. Shawn is in Vancouver.

2334
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 2: What's up, Sean?

2335
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 10: Happy New the year you guys?

2336
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 4: Do you have a great one today?

2337
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 10: You know, I want to give you both props. You know,

2338
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:36,480
Speaker 10: back in twenty twenty four, you had really great analysis

2339
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 10: of which quarterback the Patriots should take, whether it be

2340
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 10: Daniels or You're welcome. And at the time, you know,

2341
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 10: I was probably even leading more than Daniels before I

2342
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 10: heard it. But what you said made so much sense

2343
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 10: in terms of like the likelihood that Daniels would his

2344
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 10: frame was not quite what would work in terms of

2345
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 10: the NFL for injury. He's likely to get injured. It

2346
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 10: be scrambling around and taking hits. So you know, I

2347
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 10: think it's it's worked out even better for the Patriots. Yeah,

2348
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 10: I love you know, I love the Drake. So that's uh,

2349
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 10: that's all I got to say. And and uh go pots.

2350
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 2: Thanks n Yeah, we talked about that a little bit yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I'm PU and I brought back my like criteria for

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Speaker 2: the number three overall pick and what I was looking for?

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Speaker 2: Uh Tim, wrap us up? Tim, what's up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Can you hear me? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 11: Uh so, first time calling, a long time listening. I

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Speaker 11: remember in PU at the beginning of the season, there

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Speaker 11: was a conversation about thinking up if you could take

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Speaker 11: a quarter quarterback over Greg May?

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Speaker 3: Who was his take?

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Speaker 11: And there was about four or five quarterbacks that was said.

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Speaker 11: I was gonna see what you can all agree. Drakes

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Speaker 11: was playing out of his mind. Is there five or

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Speaker 11: four quarterbacks that you can name that you still take over?

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Speaker 11: Drag May?

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Speaker 2: Drake, thanks for the call to him. I think I

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Speaker 2: think as of right now, I've always put like the

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Speaker 2: elite tier, the s tier of Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar and

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen. I think it is a gap, and I

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Speaker 2: think that Drake May is knocking on the club door

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Speaker 2: of that group. But until he wins in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: I think it's hard to hit him out at it.

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Speaker 1: He's I mean, you know, if we want to say

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Speaker 1: starting a franchise, I might take him over some of

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Speaker 1: those guys because he's younger, right, there's more time ahead.

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Speaker 1: But like you got to win a game today again,

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Speaker 1: He's still that that. That's the next tier is winning

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Speaker 1: that winning more than one playoff game, not just one,

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Speaker 1: winning more than one playoff game.

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Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, all right, we got to wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered will be up in ten minutes here here

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Speaker 2: from Mike Rabol around one ten one fifteen today as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll carry that live on PU so you

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Speaker 2: can see that there and we'll be back next week.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it, Barth? We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: a playoff game?

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Speaker 1: How about that?

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Speaker 2: First time? First? That's true. Last time we talked about

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Speaker 2: a play off game it was in our former podcast,

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Speaker 2: So this is pretty cool. We'll talk about a Patriots

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Speaker 2: playoff game or maybe they're going to be on the

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Speaker 2: buye who knows, we'll be talking to play Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 2: do that next Wednesday, so we'll see you guys. Then. Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is Alex. Thanks for tuning into the show. If

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Speaker 2: you really want to help us, make sure you like.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot