1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: So Michael Verishow is on the air. I don't want 3 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: to be one of those people, but often I fall 4 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: into the trap of it where I invite an author 5 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: on to talk about a book which is their project, 6 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: their work, and you work on a book for so long, 7 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: and then you birth it out into the world, and 8 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: you want it to be taken, you want it to spread, 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: and you want to share it. And especially a book 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: on faith, a book on Christianity, a book on the 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: threat to America, this one in particular, Pagan Threat Confronting 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: America's Godless Uprising by Pastor Lucas Miles of tp US 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: A the forward by Charlie Kurr. But in so doing, 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: sometimes if that person has an interesting background or everything 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: that's going on with TPUSA, it's easy to get distracted. 16 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: I am fascinated by what's in this book. So let's 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: talk about that, Pastor Lucas Miles. Pagan Threat. Why do 18 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: you use the word pagan threat as opposed to there 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: are some alternatives that come to mind. Talk a little 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: bit about that if you would. 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, first off, thanks for having me on and giving 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: me this opportunity to talk about it, and also that 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk about Charlie. Both things are important 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: at once, and you know, it's it's an honor be 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: with you when you when you look at where we're 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: at as a society. This word pagan doesn't get used 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: very much anymore. It's sort of an old esoteric word. 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: You know. 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: You might think of Zeus or Odin or you know 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: the Greek, you know, pantheon of gods, and to some 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: agree that is what I'm writing about, but I think 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: it's more than that, So I'm using pagan. It's sort 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: of a broad blanket term. And one of the reasons 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to nod to that word as a as 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: a general descriptor of this post Christian you know, revival 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: that's taking place, is that this is very similar to 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: what the early Church went through in pagan Rome as 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: the Gospel was first taking route. There's not been a 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: time in history since the days in Rome where Christianity 40 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: has been vilified to the extent that it is today 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: in our current society. Back in early Rome in the 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: first several centuries, we had people like Justin Martyr to 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: stand up to give an offense of the Christian faith 44 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: because there were accusations the Church was facing that, you know, 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: that Christians were cannibalistic because they consumed the body and 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: blood of Jesus, or that they were ancestual because they 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: would call their spouses their brother or sister in christ. 48 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: They were, you know, referred to as being bad for 49 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: the economy because so many of those who were in 50 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: the business of making idols and making you know, peddling 51 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: sacrifices that could be given at various pagan temples, We're 52 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: going out of business because so many people were coming 53 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: to Jesus, and so it was the Christians fault. The 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: economy was failing. So Christians were vilified. Now, even if 55 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: you go back thirty years, you know, in our history, 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: Christians weren't referred to in that way. They were referred 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: to as holier than now, goody two shoes, maybe self righteous, 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: but they weren't referred to as being bigoted, they weren't 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: referred to as being racist, they weren't referred to, you know, 60 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: in these terms of being you know, misogynistic. But now Christians, 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the vernacular has changed and Christians 62 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: are being vilified in ways in which we've not seen 63 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: since early Rome. This is this post Christian pagan world 64 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: that we are now in where we have to once 65 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: again develop a new apology for the Gospel. And by apology, 66 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm using that in the Greek sense of the word, 67 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: not an apology like I'm sorry, but a defense, a 68 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: robust defense and polemic for the faith, that we can 69 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: demonstrate the necessity for the Christian Gospel and the you know, 70 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: the validity of the Christian Gospel and the historicity of 71 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: the Christian Gospel in this ere and age of skepticism 72 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: and doubt. You know that I think we are facing 73 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: and especially this post COVID generation. 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: Pastor Lucas Miles TPUSA Pagan threat confronting America's godless uprising. 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: You mentioned a moment ago about the church partnerships. I 76 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 2: forget the exact language you use. How does a church 77 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: that's interested get involved? What are the resources? What does 78 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: that look like? I think there's gonna be a lot 79 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: of people very interested in that. 80 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we. 81 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: Have a website tpusafaith dot com where you can go 82 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: to find out more. We've recently launched a map locator, 83 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: so if somebody's listening, who's not a pastor, but they 84 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: were looking for a church near them. They can go 85 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: to our map. We are opting. All of our churches 86 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: have to opt into this, so it's kind of a 87 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,559 Speaker 1: slow process of getting all eight thousand churches on the map. 88 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: We're up to about five hundred or so right now. 89 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: We just rolled this out a few days ago, and 90 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: so that numbers growing very rapidly as our team processes 91 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: through the information. But that map will continue to be 92 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: present and where you can go and check yours at 93 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: CODE and look around the United States to see if 94 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: there any churches near you that are working with Turning Point. 95 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: So there's no cost. Everything we do for the church 96 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: is free of charge. We offer free courses and curriculum. 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: We just finished a course called First Truths that's become 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: our most viewed course that we've ever launched, which is 99 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: myself and doctor Jeff Myers from Summit Ministries talking through 100 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: kind of really the primary Christian doctrines, things we might 101 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: see and say, the apostles creed that help us understand 102 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: and define what is Christian and what is not and 103 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: how do these primary Christian beliefs help us think about 104 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: sort of the cultural hot button topics around us. So, 105 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: for instance, when you know that God is creator, that 106 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: helps you to be able to have a biblical view 107 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: of marriage, sexuality, as well as the sanctity of life 108 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: because we see Him as the origin, you know, for 109 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: those things, and he's the one who's defined them as 110 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: the genesis of them, and so you know, this helps 111 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: us we process through these primary doctrines. We also have 112 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: regional managers across the country, so if churches are looking 113 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: to connect with us, they can reach out through our website, 114 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: fill out an interest form, one of our team will 115 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: get ahold of them. Uh, we'll come out, we'll meet 116 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: with you, we'll talk about all the resources we have available, 117 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: again free of charge. We're not pushing churches to you know, 118 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: we're driven by you know, our generous donors that are 119 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: really allowing this program to be available for the church. 120 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: And so we try not to put any sort of 121 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: burden on the pastors themselves or the church themselves as 122 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: they as they navigate through this. And we're just asking 123 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: in response that churches would commit to standing with us 124 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: in uniting around primary doctrine and to resist vocism in 125 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: their American and then they're a local pulpit. We want 126 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: to see wocism eradicated from the American church. Uh. That's 127 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: that's one of you know, several goals that we have. 128 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: T p U s A faiths dot Com is the website. 129 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: T p U s A faith dot Com. Pastor Lucas 130 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: Miles is our guest. The book is Pagan Threat. When 131 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: you talk about wocism in the church, I have long 132 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: lamented that the that the invasion by the left, the 133 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: incredible success they have had is that rather than compete 134 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: with the church the educational institution, they have instead infiltrated 135 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: and destroyed them from within. And that's far more powerful 136 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: in this trojan horse sort of way. What are signs 137 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: to someone who says, you know, gone to this church, 138 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: I grew up in this church, but I'm feeling uncomfortable. 139 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: What are some signs of a woke church that you 140 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: see as red flags? 141 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 142 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: First off, I think it's important to remember that Satan's 143 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: not a builder. You know, God is a builder, and 144 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: so Satan is only a hijacker. He's coming in to 145 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: try to steal, kill and destroy, and he's only doing 146 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: that and things that are you know, existing, He's not 147 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: going to create his own thing. He's going to try 148 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: to infiltrate the existing frameworks and organizations and you know, 149 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: entities including the church, to use that as a vehicle 150 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: for destruction and some capacity. And so if you're looking 151 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: forward kind of like asking the question is as my 152 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: church woke or not? First off, it should be obvious 153 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: by now, after COVID, after George Floyd, after the rise 154 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: of BLM, after you know, uh in doctrines and doctrination 155 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: in schools, and after the martyred on with Charlie Kirk, 156 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: if you couldn't see where your pastor stands and they 157 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: had a resounding silence over all of these issues, you know, 158 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: even the overturning of row, if you didn't have a 159 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: standing ovation at your church, if they didn't address it, 160 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: if they didn't make mention. 161 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 4: Of him, You've got the Michael Berrys Show. Pastor Lucas 162 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 4: Miles is our guest. Tp USA faith dot com is 163 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 4: their website. He is with the faith wing of the 164 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 4: Turning Point USA organization. The forward to the book written 165 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: by Charlie Kirk, and there's a line I want to 166 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: quote because I want to ask you about it. Charlie 167 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 4: Kirk writes, a fearless warrior for Christ. 168 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: Lucas is a man built to stand for the truth 169 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 2: in a time of great apostasy. Don't just read pagan threat, 170 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,239 Speaker 2: internalize what it has to say, then share its message 171 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: with your Christian friends before they are seduced by paganism themselves. 172 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: We have a faith in a country to save. He 173 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: uses the line share its message with your Christian friends 174 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: before they are seduced by paganism themselves. I spoke at 175 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: Linked yesterday on the show about the seduction of particularly 176 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: young people, but many times poor people by socialism throughout history. 177 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: That's why it takes hold. It's very seductive. What do 178 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: you see as the seductive powers of paganism to to 179 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: a person feeling this temptation. 180 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it actually sort of a spiritual halfway house. 181 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: It gives you the ability to feel like you're still spark, 182 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: you're still part of some sort of religious framework while 183 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: having kind of this choose your own adventure, you know, 184 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: kind of create your own morals, create your own pathways. 185 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: On the other side of that without any sort of rigidity. 186 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: And so, you know, Christianity, it's not that it's it's 187 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: you know, christ freed us from you know, he lived 188 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: fully perfectly the law in order to free us from 189 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: you know, the law of sin and death, and and 190 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, Christianity, although we are in a relationship that 191 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: is rooted in God's grace and freedom and liberty in 192 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: christ there's a rigidity to it in that it is 193 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: well defined. It's a well defined moral structure that Paganism 194 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: does not share with it. And so, for instance, Christianity 195 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: has very clear boundaries about marriage, sexuality, about about things 196 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: like you know, what is righteous, what is unrighteous, about 197 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: honesty and the truth, and how to treat one another. 198 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: Paganism doesn't have this, although Pagans might try to invent 199 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: some sort of code or process for that many have tried. 200 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: It has the flexibility without these defining you know, without 201 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: the defining text of the Word of God, just sort 202 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: of be whatever you want it to be. You can 203 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: create your own path, and so you can be an LGBT, 204 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, a witch who believes in you know, shamanism, 205 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: and you can kind of just pick and choose what 206 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: you want to create this hybrid much like a you know, 207 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: a buffet, you know, at a restaurant to just get 208 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: a little bit of everything and just shape it in 209 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: a way that works for you. Christianity isn't like that. 210 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: It requires dying to yourself and you know, bowing, you know, 211 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: your need to the King of Kings and the Lord 212 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: of lords, submitting to him as lord over your life, 213 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: as he is the arbiter of truth over our life, 214 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: not ourselves. It's not a self deification. So paganism is 215 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: attractive because there is this false sense of self empowerment, 216 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: of really self deification that I get to decide what 217 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: gender I am, I get to decide when does life 218 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: start in the womb. I get to decide who lives 219 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: and who dies. And these are sort of the values 220 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: that we're seeing especially in this not just only paganism, 221 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: but in this what I would call a critical paganism, 222 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: Paganism plus Marxism that is becoming kind of this dominant force, 223 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, that is driving I think much of the 224 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: younger generation forward. 225 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: It's interesting because think you're right that that that is 226 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: a philosophy that is that is being grabbed onto or 227 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: whatever want ideology. But I think there is also in 228 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: tp US, as has been a major part of this, 229 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: there is also a revival, including among young folks. I 230 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: spoke at at a high school group recently that they 231 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: were forming at Stratford High School, which is which is 232 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: here in Houston, and and some some parents were trying 233 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: to keep them from forming, which really is just odd. 234 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: It's a student organization. You can have whatever you want. 235 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: But I spoke there, and I'm in a studio all day. 236 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: I live more of the rush limball lifestyle. I'm sure 237 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 2: you are out and about, and I know Charlie was 238 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 2: out and about every day. I don't. I don't get 239 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: out and about the way I used to, but I 240 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: did for that and the energy I felt from these 241 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 2: young people, it was just I wanted to bottle it. It 242 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: was beautiful, it was wonderful, fresh faced optimism and values. 243 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: It was really just inspiring. And I see now why 244 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: really did it. But I also see rivaling what you 245 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,119 Speaker 2: were talking about, the young people and this paganism and socialism. 246 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: I also see revival amongst young people, a separate set 247 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 2: of young people, and that's inspiring. That's exciting to me. 248 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the two things can be true at once. 249 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: And and certainly you know nobody anticipated this, is that 250 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: the Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk spark this Christian revival that 251 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: is pushing back against I think, this attempt to bring 252 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: America to this post Christian place, and and it's turning 253 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: back the clock on that a little bit. It's not 254 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: that it's no longer an issue. It's certainly still a threat. 255 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: But we have this, you know, this temporary bright spot 256 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: right now that's creating a lot of you know, hope 257 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: and opportunity. And I think that, you know, it's important 258 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: to recognize that we can't spark revival as humans, but 259 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: only God can do that, but we can steward it. 260 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: And so what we're trying to do is work with 261 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: our churches and pastors across you know, tpsa faith on 262 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: really how to steward you know, the moment that we're 263 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: in so we can see this be effective. There are 264 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: lots of hearts and minds to change. You know, we 265 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: work with about eight thousand churches, but there's over three 266 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to four hundred thousand churches in this nation. 267 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: So even though we have a large group of pastors 268 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: we work with, it's still only a fraction of the 269 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: pastors in this country. And many of these pastors are 270 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: still pastors that either are afraid to work with us, 271 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: they're afraid to speak out on these topics, or they're 272 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: pastors that aren't up. They've you know, rejected biblical ideas. 273 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: They're now flying you know, BLM and Pride flags above 274 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: the cross, and they have really become traitors, I think, 275 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: to the faith, you know, in that sense. And so 276 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, there's still a lot of work to do. 277 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm optimistic God wins in the end. It doesn't mean 278 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: the church in America always thrives. We've seen the church 279 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: in Europe where it's faltered, and we have buildings that 280 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: now act as these you know, once meccas of you know, 281 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: Christian spirituality that are now becoming you know, in many 282 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: times they're being bought out by Muslims and becoming kind 283 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: of new meccas for the Islamic faith, you know, in 284 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: these beautiful old cathedrals that have been lying dormant for 285 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: some time. And so you know, this, this could be 286 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: America's future if we don't stand strong and and you know, 287 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: continue this fight for the faith, to defend it in 288 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: the face of these pagan ideologies. 289 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: I will close with a question for you, Pastor Lucas Miles, 290 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: And that is a very personal question. Is there an 291 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: Aha moment you came to in your life that you 292 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: found that your ministry, your your walk, your marriage, your health, 293 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: that was something that changed. Maybe it was more sleep, 294 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: maybe it was more water, Maybe it was prayer in 295 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: the morning, maybe it was a walk. Is there some 296 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: aspect of your life personally that you would share that 297 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: may help someone else? 298 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: You know, I would say just you know, honestly, even 299 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: going back just more maybe more recently, the assassination and 300 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: murder and martyrdom with Charlie I think was AHA moment 301 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. And what it did for me, 302 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: among other things, was it reminded me that life is 303 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: a vapor. As much as we worry about our health 304 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: and our sleep and you know, our nutrition, and those 305 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: are good things to think about, certainly, But as much 306 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: as we worry about those things, those are things that 307 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: are not going to last for eternity. What is going 308 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: to last for eternity is the impact that you make 309 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: on a person's heart with the Gospel. And it's easy 310 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: to get so focused on the things of this world 311 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: that we lose sight of what really matters and what 312 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: has lasting power. And I think that Charlie's a reminder 313 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: for us of a life well lived and a life 314 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: focused on what matters. 315 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: And so it's just, you know. 316 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: I said, I've said many times that I'm a different 317 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: person after September tenth. 318 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: I think a lot of us here at turning point are, and. 319 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: I want to just focus more on really what it 320 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: means to die to myself and to live for Christ 321 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: and to do the work necessary today. Not to try 322 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: to earn salvation, we can never do that, but to 323 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: try to help others, you know, find their hope in Jesus. 324 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: W You're listening to the Michael Berry Show. Twenty years ago, 325 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: George W. Bush was the president. A lot of folks 326 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: you and I knew. We're serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. 327 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: The death toll was disturbing. Every community in the country 328 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: was affected. Mind how things have changed in twenty years. 329 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 2: I never forget the first reference I heard to Loan Survivor. 330 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: My brother Chris had read the book, and he said, 331 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: have you read this book Loan Survivor? You know, he said, 332 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: do you know who Marcus A. Trellis said, I don't. 333 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: She's written this book called Loan survivor. Okay, it's about 334 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: they went in Operation Red Wings, they went into Afghanistan, 335 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: and he's the only one who came out. It's it's 336 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: a story, man, Wow it is. Wow, it is. It's incredible. 337 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: It's disturbing. Then they make the movie. Then we get 338 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: to meet Marcus, We develop a friendship, and a lot 339 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: has happened in those twenty years. It's time to revisit 340 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: that twenty years later. Marcus Latrell, welcome back to the program. 341 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: Thank you. 342 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: What were you doing just before you came on the show? 343 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 3: All right, with complete transparency. One of my labs got 344 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 3: hit by a skunk the other day yesterday, and I'm 345 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: out here trying to shave her. And I don't know 346 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: when the last time you've had that happen, but brother, 347 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: it it's something so that that's kind of what I'm 348 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: dealing with right now. 349 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 2: I was thinking of a great headline for this discussion, 350 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: and I already have it. Loan survivor Navy Seal Marcus 351 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: Latrell admitted douching before. 352 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 3: Interview, Right, I don't, because you know the first thing 353 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: she did when she got hit would come in and 354 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: get on the couch. So when I walked in. I 355 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: don't know what was well, I don't know. They just 356 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: do that right, Yeah? 357 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: What do you have a. 358 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 3: What remedy do you use to get rid of that pump? 359 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: Marcus? We had a place out in Carmen next to 360 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: Chapel Hill and we had two dogs get hit two 361 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: consecutive weekends, and we went to I called my buddies 362 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: that were veterinarians and they said, go get mass and 363 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 2: Gil Douche, that is the best. I came back and 364 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: talked about it on the air. I heard, I heard 365 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 2: every solution known to mankind. I think it's a mess. 366 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: No matter what you do, have you decided what you're doing. 367 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: So I go with the hydrogen peroxide and the palm olives. 368 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, to. 369 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 3: An oil right oil base, yep, yep. And the thing 370 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 3: about it is when she goes it is it's good. 371 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: They need to bottle that up and use it and 372 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 3: give it to people for defense. Let's talk about how 373 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 3: you're getting attacked and you smack somebody with that, they're 374 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 3: not gonna stick around. 375 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, no, no, even a porcupine. You know, 376 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: you could hide behind a shield with a porcupine, But 377 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: that's skunk. That's bad stuff. Let's tell the story you've 378 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: told before, but I think people should know how you 379 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: and and Morgan decided you wanted to be Navy seals 380 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: and began training at a very young age. And the 381 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: man who put you through that program, it. 382 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: Was Morgan's idea. He came down. I was feeding the 383 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: horses and he's like, hey, I know we're gonna do. 384 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: We're gonna be Navy seals. It's gonna be great. We 385 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 3: get to jump out airplanes, we get to shoot guns, 386 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: we get to blow things up, we get the scuba dive, 387 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 3: and there's a really good chance we're gonna die. And 388 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, you sign me up. You know. 389 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 3: Being a younger brother, I kind of followed him around 390 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: everywhere he came up with the ideas, but I usually 391 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: had to go first, so that that's when that happened. 392 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: We were new teenagers, fourteen fifteen years old, and there 393 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 3: was a jump who lived in town. We actually grew 394 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: up with his daughter. We were in the same grade, 395 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: and he would come into the high school and work 396 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: the kids out in the gym, and then he had 397 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: a reputation for training young men to go into the 398 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: military into the special Forces. They was Billy, So we 399 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: got the the courage to go ask him to train us. 400 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I walked up on him. I'll never get it, 401 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: and caught him during dinner time, got peace fried chicken 402 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: in his hand, and he's like, what do you knocked 403 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: over the door. He's like, what do you want? And 404 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: I was like, well, sir, we want to be Navy seals. 405 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: We heard you train people to do that. I was 406 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: wondering if you would train us. And he kind of 407 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: looked at me for a little bit, and I had 408 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: some buddies with me, looked over my shoulder, and he 409 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: told the four thirty tomorrow and he slammed the door 410 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 3: in our face. So we left, and then the next 411 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: day we showed up at four thirty. Matter of fact, 412 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: this is my first life lesson that I ever got 413 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: taught with him. Kind of stands true to this very day. 414 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 3: You know, someone tells you to be somewhere to certain time, 415 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: you're always fifteen minutes early. When we were, we showed 416 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 3: up at four thirty, which is not on time, and 417 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: he man, he was out there waiting on us. I 418 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: remember running up to the yard and he was pointing 419 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: at us and at the ground. He's pointing out his 420 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 3: watching at us and at the ground. And then when 421 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 3: we got within the yard, man he was cussing us 422 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: up one side and down the other. I mean good. 423 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: You know, some people just have a gift for profanity. 424 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 3: He does. He has that, and they can apply it 425 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: in certain ways and when it and then it's really 426 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 3: really impactful. I still remember it. I mean, bro, this 427 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: is over twenty years ago. And uh. He stopped us 428 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: in the street and he drew a line in the 429 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: dirt with the head with his bootheel, and he said, 430 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: every day you come here, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask 431 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: you to cross this line. He goes, what you're wanting 432 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 3: to do and where you're going is a voluntary program. 433 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: Point in time on, he goes, you should probably quit 434 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: right now, because if you cross this line, I'm gonna 435 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna beat you. I'm gonna do everything I can 436 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: to break you. He's like, I'm not your mother. I 437 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: don't care whether you live or die. And he said, 438 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: when a man goes to war, his brain turns the 439 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 3: water and runs out of his ears, and all he 440 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: has to go on is instinct in the guy to 441 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 3: the right to the left of him. He's like, if 442 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: you want a little bit of that, cross the line. 443 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 3: At that age, you know you're invincible still. I mean, 444 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 3: you walk around with immortality. You can feel it. When 445 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: you're that age. Everything heals up the way it's supposed to. 446 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: So we did. We cross the line, and I remember 447 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: he dropped us down to do some push ups. He's like, 448 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 3: everybody on your face given three hundred push ups for 449 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: being late, And that's not a lot of push ups. 450 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: But if you got some guys who are in shape, 451 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: you're gonna be paying the man. So that's kind of 452 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: what happened to us. He started matching the deck, going down, 453 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: up and down, and we got out of sink. He 454 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: started a teeter totter a little bit, and he stopped us, 455 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 3: and I'll never forget. He goes, you know, as a team, 456 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: you're gonna go down together, and you're gonna come up together. 457 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 3: You're gonna live together, and you're gonna die together. He goes, 458 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 3: you're not a team. Start over, and that's how it 459 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: started for us. And he just from that moment on 460 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: he waged into us pretty hard. I remember, we we 461 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 3: probably got an hour into it. A couple hours into it, 462 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: we couldn't get those push ups down, and he got 463 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: so sick and tired of us that he kicked us 464 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 3: off his property. He's like, go home. He goes, you're you're, 465 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: you know, you're, you're a disgrace to your family. He goes, 466 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 3: when you get home, walk right up to your dad 467 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 3: and punch him in the faith and tell him to 468 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: start over, because he fed up on you. And uh, 469 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 3: he said, if you want to do this again tomorrow, 470 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 3: show up on time. Don't ever be late. My time 471 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: is the one thing I can't control. I don't have 472 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: any bearing over it, so I'm not gonna waste it 473 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: on you. If you're not gonna you're not gonna show 474 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 3: up on time. And that was the first lesson he 475 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: taught me, and all of us actually kind of grumbling there. 476 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: How much older than you is, Morgan. 477 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 3: Seven minutes. 478 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: Oh, that makes all the difference in the world, doesn't it. 479 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: It would have been back in the day he'd have 480 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: been the king. 481 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: Marcus Petrel is our guests. We're going to Afghanistan and 482 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: operate and Red Wings and Loan Survivor and all of 483 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: that coming up. Well, well, Lucky You. The Michael Berry 484 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: Show continues. Our guest is Loan survivor Marcus Petrel. Twenty 485 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 2: years after Operation Red Wings, Marcus Less rocket forward to 486 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: you getting orders to go to Afghanistan. How did that 487 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: come down? 488 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: So they split the platoon in half and the seal teams. 489 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: There's there's troops and there's platoons, and since there was 490 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: two wars going down at the same time, there was 491 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 3: more than enough work to go around. And our particular 492 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: platoon was specialized in reconnaissance as of special deliveries, so 493 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 3: we were a smaller unit. But what would happen is 494 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: they would split us down the middle and kind of 495 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 3: temple us out to the other Seal teams because of 496 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: our specialty. So when it came time to see who 497 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 3: was going where, my half of the platoon was tasked 498 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: to go to Afghanistan and the rest of our guys 499 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: went to Iraq. And that's how that worked out. 500 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: Was there were you and Morgan intentionally split? 501 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Oh yeah, absolutely, Especially in the beginning. I went 502 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: through field training before him, so I was ahead of 503 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 3: him a little bit. But eventually we wound up back together. 504 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: And the only stipulation on that was especially in the beginning, 505 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 3: as we weren't allowed to ride in the same helicopters 506 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: or the same humbies. And when I got when I 507 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: got initially into the teams, I got sent to Iraq first, 508 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: and he got sent to Afghanistan, and then when I 509 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 3: got back from Iraq, I got sent to Afghanistan. So 510 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: it was one of those deals. We were kind of 511 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 3: missing each other back and forth. Eventually we wound up 512 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: together in Iraq, but in the beginning we were separated 513 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: by awards. 514 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: So tell me about the training for Red Wings. 515 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: We started, Well, the thing about Navy Seals is we're 516 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: constantly training. If we're not sleeping or eating or working out, 517 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: then it's always training, work up for training. And then, 518 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: like I said, our job was special to consistance. We 519 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 3: were doing a lot of direct action missions, village takedown, snatching, grabs, 520 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: sniper overwatches, meaning it was desolate country out there. It's 521 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 3: completely different fighting than we're talking about in Iraq and 522 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: the city. So we were doing a lot of helicopter reconnaissance. 523 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,239 Speaker 3: And then then we would fast rope in and they 524 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 3: would drop us off in the mountains and leave us 525 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: anywhere from five to ten days, maybe two weeks, and 526 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 3: then they would resupply us by air drop. So we 527 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 3: were kind of the eyes on if any any unit 528 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: does a hit or they go in, always going to 529 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: have eyes on the target first to kind of get 530 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 3: an idea of what was going on, and that was 531 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: our job. So it was constantly working with the helicopter 532 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: units getting that online. The satellite imagery was getting pretty 533 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 3: good back in two thousand and five. It's not like 534 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: it is now where you could see everything and through walls, 535 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: but back then the imagery was getting pretty good. So 536 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: we were doing a lot of map studies, switching up 537 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: our gear, making sure everything was good enough and we 538 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: were well prepared for whatever environment we we got in 539 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 3: because the terrain would change with the miles, so it 540 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 3: was constant preparation and training. 541 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: So take me through the moment. You're on the side 542 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: of the mountain and you're there to get the bad guy, 543 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: and these goat herders come upon you. 544 00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: So we were separated probably about enough to where we 545 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 3: could barely see each other, so not enough to where 546 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 3: we were sitting right beside each other to make a 547 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: big signature, but far enough to away from each other 548 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: that if we needed to get to each other, we could, 549 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: and the terrain really wasn't conducive for a perfect setup, 550 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: so we had perched up. We were well over ten 551 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: thousand feet on the side of this mountain, So imagine 552 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: a volcano with a village stuck down at the bottom 553 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: of it, and we came in over the top of it. 554 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: So what we did was we kind of rope down 555 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 3: and climbed down inside of the volcano itself so we 556 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: could get a better vantage point on what was going 557 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: on in the village. We set up in a triangle formation. 558 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: I was at the top of it. The top of 559 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: the mountain was probably fifteen to twenty meters above my head, 560 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 3: and then Danny and Mikey was right under actually right 561 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: underneath me, and then on my right left flank was 562 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: Danny and agast I maybe saying that wrong. I think 563 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: Mike he might have been underneath me. It's been a 564 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 3: minute now, but anyways, we set up, started watching the 565 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: target and the sun had come up. We'd been there 566 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: overnight and we were just monitoring all the activity when 567 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: we had to move, so we relocated onto a finger 568 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: that was sitting off the side of the mountain. So 569 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: we could get a better advantage on some of the houses. 570 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: And when we did that, about an hour after set up, 571 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 3: a shepherd walked up on us, and I mean he 572 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: walked right up on it. And now I'll never forget 573 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: to look on this zow's face, because he didn't he 574 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: had no idea we were there at all. And we 575 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: grabbed him and pulled him off the side and started 576 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 3: to interrogate him. And then about that time two more 577 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 3: came up the mountains and we snatched them up and 578 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 3: sat them down, and then the herd of goats came 579 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: walking up. I remember there was a dog there, which 580 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: was kind of odd because these are don't keep dogs. 581 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: But I remember there's a big, old, freaking mainy dog 582 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: that was barking. And so we started going through the 583 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 3: numbers of what to do, and eventually what happened was 584 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: we turned them loose and then they left. We watched 585 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: them leave, and then we relocated back into a different 586 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: position back on the side of the mountain. Right after that, 587 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 3: about an hour or so is when the main body 588 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 3: came up on top of us. 589 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: And there wash and when they came up on top 590 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: of you, you know they've come up on top of you. 591 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: You didn't see them or hear them. You just bullets 592 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: start whizzing. 593 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: Right. So they're extremely quiet and you can't take anything 594 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 3: away from from from them as an enemy because they 595 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: are great at what they do. They know that terrain. 596 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 3: They were a formidable force, and I'll always pay them 597 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: respect like that. I mean, they can fight. So at first, 598 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: I kind of looked down and it was actually was 599 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 3: below me, and I remember him looking past me. He 600 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: was cut down behind this rock and he had his 601 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 3: rifle up. So I kind of looked around and looked 602 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: back up above me and there was a huge tree 603 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: and this guy I saw an AK muzzle come around it. 604 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 3: And then the guy was he was hooded up, turned 605 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 3: around and looked at looked down into us. So I 606 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: rolled my rifle up and when I went to take 607 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 3: a shot, he pulled his head back around the tree. 608 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: And after when I came off my scope, I could 609 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 3: look right above me, to my left and right, and 610 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: there was guy setting up over the top of us 611 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 3: and down on the side of it. And then I 612 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: remember looking over at Mikey. I said, get back on 613 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: the clock, so fixed and get it on. And then 614 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: I turned back around and waited, and eventually what happened 615 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 3: was that guy pulled his head around that tree to 616 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 3: take a shot, and when he did, I dumped him. 617 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: When I dumped him, it just it was game on. 618 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: They kind of unleashed and the fight comnt and eventually 619 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: what happened was is we got pushed out of that 620 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 3: position and the terrain was so violent that it just 621 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: we kind of started tumbling down the mountain. 622 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,479 Speaker 2: How long was it until one of you had been hit? 623 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 3: That was probably only initial while we were still in there, 624 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 3: show pretty quick, and then systematically each guy started getting shot, 625 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 3: the others come down the fountain right now. 626 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: Hold in just a moment. 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