1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 2: Today, we're going to. 4 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: Talk about Tuesday nights election results. Was it a brutal 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: wake up call for Republicans? Was it a referendum on 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: President Trump? Should Republicans be worried heading into the midterms. 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: We're going to ask Ryan Gardusky. He is the host 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: of the Numbers Game podcast. He is great at breaking 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: all of this down. We'll also talk about zoron mom 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Donnie's studying victory in New York City electing a socialist. 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: You know, Republicans want to make him the face of 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. Will let hold? Does it matter? Stay 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: tuned for all of that more with Ryan Gardusky. Ryan, 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: it's great to have you back on the podcast. I 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: am looking forward to hearing what you have to say 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: about Tuesday nights election results. If we should be worried, 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: how word we should be? So appreciate you making the 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: time right. 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me my fellow member of the 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: Buck and Clay Networks. 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: This is very exciting. 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: Yes, we're I guess teammates college. 23 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: I guess, so we're colleagues. 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: I've always wanted a colleague, I mean Ryan. 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: That means we're basically best friends, exactly like stepbrothers. All right, 26 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: so Tuesday night, Ryan, not a great night for Republicans, obviously, 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: I guess big takeaways from Tuesday night? How do you 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: read it? Looking at the tea leaves, what do they 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: tell us? 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: Well, part of it was a simple calculation of voter enthusiasm. 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: So like in New Jersey and I just got these numbers, 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: about twenty one percent of all registered Republicans came out 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: and vote in New Jersey while around twenty seven percent 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: of Sorry, I'll take that back, twenty one percent of 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: all registered vote people who came out were Republicans versus 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: about twenty seven percent who were Democrats. And in Virginia 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: it was close to the thirty percent while Republicans were 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: around twenty two percent. So a big part of it 39 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 3: was just voter turnout, which happens normally right in There 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: have been four elections in Virginia, New Jersey where there 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: was a Republican president since the year two thousand. In 42 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: three of those four elections, including the last Tuesday, the 43 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 3: Democrat got fifty six percent and the other one he 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: got fifty three percent, So it's part of it is 45 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: very normal. Part of it was a larger problem where 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: you saw down ballot races outside of New York and Virginia, 47 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: in places like Mississippi, in Georgia and Kansas, in red 48 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: state America and Pennsylvania where people were voting for the 49 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: Democrat force city council, voting for the Democrat force town 50 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: supervisor justice that they're in stick it to Trump, right, 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: So that's where it becomes a little anxiety inducing. Is 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: the ripple effect throughout the rest of the country and 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 3: building a field I think there are so part of 54 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: is normal, right, part of it's completely normal, and part 55 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: of it it's just the election cycle. And Democrats have 56 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: had wave elections in six h and Republicans have had 57 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 3: wave cycles in twenty ten and twenty fourteen, and it's 58 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: not something to lose your mind over. And then part 59 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: of it is a big question about enthusiasm. How do 60 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: you get low propency Republicans to show up because we're 61 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 3: not super great at when Trump's not on the ballot. 62 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: And then part of the question is how do you 63 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: counter a lot of anxiety over the economy. You know, 64 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: the economy is not great now young people getting out 65 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: of college trying to find their first job with good 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: degrees is very, very difficult. Right now, prices are Inflation 67 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: is down, but prices are high like they were before COVID. 68 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: And that's what a lot of people, I think when 69 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: they voted for Trump, they were hoping that he could 70 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: reverse the post COVID years of high inflation, and really 71 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: that deinflationary period was never going to come and is incoming. 72 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: And that's something hard to explain away. Either wages have 73 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: to go up considerably or job growth has to happen. 74 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: That really hasn't happened. They've blamed a lot of it 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: on tariffs, but tariffs is a small portion. And why 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: the cost of living has increased right home mortgages have 77 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: gone up, insurance has gone up, both health and your 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: home insurance in your car. Note all these things are 79 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: white people living in credit card debt and from credit 80 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: card to credit cards. So there's a perfect storm, and 81 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: there's a government shutdown. So in Virginia, all the government 82 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 3: workers who were who were out of work and anger 83 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: at somebody blamed the president. So there's all those things 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: happening at the same time. It's really a perfect storm. Nonetheless, 85 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: it's not something to lose your mind over. And I 86 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: think looking forward into the twenty twenty sixth election, the 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: big question is one, how do you manage to sit 88 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: there and went over back independence? Because Republicans lost them 89 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: last last Tuesday, even with a good candidate like Jack 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: Chitdarelli who'd got more votes than he received last time 91 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: by one hundred and twenty two thousand, when some Sears 92 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 3: was not a good candidate. She lost by two hundred 93 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: thousand votes from what Glenn Younkin got. But how do 94 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 3: you make sure you can win over independence with that 95 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: winning message? How do you turn over Conservatives Trump voters 96 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: who are not registered Republicans, which is a lot of them, right, 97 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: A lot of them are just kind of are independence 98 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: and they don't have a political partisanship and they don't 99 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: and they don't live for politics like some other people do. 100 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 3: I think that's the really big question going into twenty 101 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: twenty six if you want to avoid losing the House, 102 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: which is you know, on a coin toss. 103 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: But so, I guess what concerns me is looking at 104 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: the margins, right, because you look at states like New 105 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: Jersey and Virginia you know, Trump blossom in twenty twenty 106 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: four by about six percent despite sweeping you know, all 107 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: seven swing states winning the popular vote. But I wasn't expecting, 108 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: so I thought that there was a you know, I 109 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: thought that when some Steers was going to lose, but 110 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: I thought Jack Chitarelli would at least come close. But 111 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: he got smoked. I mean, I know, we got more 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: votes than he did in twenty twenty one, but he 113 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: still got smoked. 114 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the overall total was I mean, Jack 115 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: Chittarelli got are on seventy percent of the Trump vote. 116 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: It's just that Mikey Cheryl got eighty one percent of 117 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: the Kamala Harrah vote. And that's a question of voter intensity, 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 3: right of how much do you want to sit there 119 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: and show up? And I'm like, we make fun of 120 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: the people who go to the No King's rally, but 121 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: there's a sizeable chunk of people who would sit there 122 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 3: and go to the No Kings rally, and they live 123 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: to vote against against Republicans and against Trump specifically. So 124 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: that's I mean, that's a big part of why he lost. 125 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: So you know, when you run a campaign, the first 126 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: thing you do is you build a model of like, 127 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: how many votes do I need to win? Chitarelli built 128 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: a model for a normal election year. He would have 129 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: won any governor's election going back since nineteen seventy three. 130 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: He just wasn't in a normal election cycle. And there's 131 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: nothing really that he could do about that. And even 132 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 3: though Winston was a great candidate, even Jason Mire, who 133 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: was a good candidate, you can't be kind of an 134 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: election cycle. I'll tell you a story set on my 135 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: podcast today. I had a friend who's running for office 136 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: in New York in a republic leaning area as a 137 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: Republican to replace a conservative, a very conservative Democrat, and 138 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 3: campaign hard, had the money, have the infrastructure, did all 139 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 3: the work running against the Democrat who got evicted from 140 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: his campaign office and was working out of a U 141 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: haul van, and she got five thousand more votes than 142 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: had ever that any Republican ever received, including that former incumbent, 143 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: and she still lost. It's just a matter of there 144 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: are some things that are exterior that you cannot fix. 145 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: And what the Trump campaign should have done and the 146 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: Trump political team should have done, in my opinion, is 147 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: they should have picked some small races that are inconsequential 148 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: to the national news cycle, Like we lost the mayor's 149 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: race in Beaver Pennsylvania. Who cares or Beaver Pennsylvania. 150 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: It's not a you know, I mean that cut me 151 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: up at night. 152 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: Well but nonethets, but it was. 153 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: It's important because it's a very, very Republican suburb of 154 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh that we should never lose. We lost the DA's 155 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: race of Bucks County for the very first time ever. 156 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: These inconsequential races that are not super important should have 157 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: been where they tested out how do we try to 158 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: increase voter turn it among low propensity voters? And that 159 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: would have been and that would have been a good 160 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: modelis sit there and try to figure out how to 161 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: deal with twenty twenty six. 162 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Got to take a quick break more with Ryan on 163 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: the other side, looking ahead at the midterms. Obviously in 164 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: a president Trump's give me an office, but he's not 165 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: going to be on the ballot to drive turnout. So like, 166 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: how do Republicans get their base excited? 167 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 3: Well, I think, I mean, if you want to you know, 168 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 3: complete political strategy as a consultant, what I would try 169 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: to do in these critical states like North Carolina. North 170 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: Carolina Michigan, New Hampshire, Georgia, where there's key Senate states. 171 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: I would try to put ballot initiatives on there. Make 172 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: English the official language, no reform, the welfare thing for 173 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: illegal immigrants, things that Republicans are, transgender sports, I mean, 174 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: whatever you want that bring eighty percent Republican turnout in 175 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: get the ballot initiatives there to sit there and generate 176 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: excitement around the you know, lower propensity Republican voter. This 177 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: is what Bush did in four which is very effective. 178 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: It's been tried since then, to a lesser effective degree 179 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: by Romney in twenty twelve, but it is effective when 180 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: they've when they've tried. Democrats have done it too, by 181 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 3: the way, with abortion abortion, they've done it for sure, 182 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: to sit there and turn out Democrat Democrats votes. So 183 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: there are things that you could sit there and do 184 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: around immigration and identity to drive out lower propensity, non 185 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: college educated voters. But that is really where I think 186 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: that they need to spend energy and time. 187 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: You know, look he at Zaron mom Donnie's when obviously 188 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: Republicans are going to try to make them the face 189 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: of the Democrat party and we'll see how successful that 190 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: is is that just indicative of a very liberal city 191 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: or is this a directional change within the Democrat Party 192 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: more broadly, Well. 193 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: I I mean I think that it's I think that 194 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: it's two things. So one, New York has kind of 195 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: become a sponge for the blue haired, multi pronoun voter 196 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: who lives somewhere in either the Northeast or the Midwest, 197 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: who wants to come to a place where they have 198 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: a tribe, and they moved to Brooklyn and Manhattan. Right, 199 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: eighty eight percent of all the new registered voters in 200 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: the last year came out of just Manhattan and Brooklyn, 201 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: and overall the statewide outside of Manhattan, you had immense 202 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: losses for the Democratic Party as far as registration goes, 203 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: it kind of looks like Pennsylvania and New Jersey. What 204 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: Mendani was able to do is one generate a lot 205 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: of excitement from young people, which was legitimate, right because 206 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: the cost of living is very high, and it's not 207 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: just for twenty year old it's for forty year olds 208 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: who never got to buy a house. Like the dream 209 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: was you come to New York, you make it, you 210 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: make a lot of money, you buy a house. 211 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: Whatever. 212 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: When my parents were thirty, which was thirty years ago. 213 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: Are Yeah, about thirty years ago when they were thirty, 214 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 3: they bought a home in New York City in the 215 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: Atta Boroughs for two hundred thousand dollars on a you know, 216 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: very very middle class, working middle class income. That dream 217 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: that house today is worth about a million dollars. Right, 218 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 3: It's not attainable to the same degree in New York 219 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: and there's a lot of reasons for that, but that 220 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 3: is something that is something that is real in New 221 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: York City. So he hit on a very very key issue. 222 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: You know, a good campaign has a motto that is tangible, 223 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: that is easy to understand. 224 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: Build a wall, met a care for all, freeze the rent. 225 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: You can understand exactly what the politicians saying that they 226 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: are going to do for you. And then also with Mandani, 227 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 3: the reason that he won, which is very strange and 228 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: the general election, was he built a coalition of like 229 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: the purple hair, blue haired, multi gender people and also 230 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 3: a lot of recent immigrants and a lot of Asians 231 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: and whatnot in the primary. 232 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: But in the but. 233 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: While he lost the black vote in the Hispanic vote 234 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: spectacle currely in the primary, in the general, everyone thought 235 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: that Kuama was going to be able to rely on thenx, 236 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: Hispanic vote, that Dominican vote, and the black vote, especially 237 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: the Caribbean immigrant black vote, and they completely abandoned him. 238 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: They had voted for him in the primary, but they 239 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: did not vote for him in the general. Had they 240 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: stayed with him through the general, he would have beaten Mandani. 241 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: That's the craziest thing is if you look at areas 242 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: of Southeast Queens of South of Southern Bronx of Southeast Brooklyn, 243 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: Couamo just won those areas incredibly lopsided and then they 244 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: just voted Democrat down the aisle whoever was the registered 245 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: Democrat and abandoned him. So I think that part of 246 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: it was. I mean, Cuomo was a horrible Canada I 247 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: looked at his old campaign track record. Cuamo has never 248 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: faced a serious challenge in any election ever. He never 249 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: he was basically handed the nomination for Attorney General. He 250 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: had one little primary by a New York City official. 251 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: He never had a serious competition in the general. He 252 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: was never primary for governor when he first got in, 253 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: and then his primary challenges once he was an incumbent 254 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: was like Cynthia Nixon, who you. 255 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 2: Know, she makes it. 256 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's She's been in some good shows and movies 257 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: in theater, but she's you know, completely crazy. She's the 258 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 3: most unlikable person on the planet. And then and the 259 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: general it's in New York City's New York State, so 260 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: it's still I mean, his worst performance ever. He only 261 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: he won by seventeen points. So Cuomo really wasn't up 262 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: for the challenge and he he shouldn't have won. And 263 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: you know what's so funny, Lisa, people asked me before 264 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: Mandani was a thing, should I run? 265 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: And I was like, there's no way to be Cuomo. 266 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: I talked to New York Yankee out of running for 267 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 3: mayor because I was like, no one can be Cuomo. 268 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 3: It's impossible because the air of invincibility was so thick 269 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: on him and we really didn't realize that the Emperor 270 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 3: had no. 271 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: Clothes well, and he obviously felt that because he didn't 272 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: really put any work into the race either. Kind of 273 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: it seemed like he felt like he was you know, 274 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting because when you were talking about Cuomo and 275 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: now he's never really been challenged before. I also think 276 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: about Gavin Newsome in the sense like he really hasn't 277 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: had like tough races, right, and so if he were 278 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: to get the nomination, does he end up just being 279 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: like another Beta Work and another Kamala Harris where it's 280 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: kind of like all talk and then they fall apart 281 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: upon like scrutiny and you know, actually getting pressed. 282 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, Gavin at least was a NEPO 283 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: baby like Cuomo was. And you know, I guess, I 284 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: guess Gavin had to have the internal fight of marrying 285 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: Kimberly Guilfoyle so that moybe it was his big struggle 286 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: in life. But aside from that now he's never had 287 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: a serious challenge. 288 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: Which it'll be interesting to see which direction the Demo 289 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Democrats are going to have a huge primary 290 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: field in twenty twenty eight hundred. 291 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: And it's really a question of you know how, you'll 292 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: tell how the Democrats want to do it. If the 293 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: Democrats stick to South Carolina being the first in the nation, 294 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: it means they want to stop in AOC right because 295 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: black voters in primaries do not vote for progressives. It 296 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: didn't happen in New York City and last week it 297 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: didn't happen in twenty twenty it didn't happen. And you know, 298 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: in most places, black voters overall vote from moderate candidates, 299 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: with the exception, I guess of Obama, but that was 300 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: not because of his policies, that was because he was black. 301 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: In twenty If they start started the twenty twenty eight 302 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: election with South Carolina, it's just a throwt off a 303 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: AOC or anybody else. If they start in Iowa or 304 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: New Hampshire or Nevada or any of those other states, 305 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: it's it will give an opening to AOC. And I 306 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: talked to a really smart Democratic consultant friend, and they said, 307 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: it's not a question of if a socialist will be 308 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: the nominee, it's just a question of when. 309 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: Interesting that's a good point about South Carolina because you 310 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: know Democrats have obviously used the system to shut Bernie 311 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: Sanders out before, So how dedicated are they doing that 312 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: to AOC. Perhaps that's an interesting point well. And also 313 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, I mean Republicans too, I mean, especially with 314 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Trump obviously on his way out, like there seems to 315 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: be a pretty big divide in the Republican Party as well, 316 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: So we might go through that a little bit. Heading 317 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: in to twenty twenty eight, I mean, how much do 318 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: you think we'll experience that on our side? 319 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: I mean a primary against JD the presumptive nominee. 320 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, well, looking for right now, even 321 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: if you just follow like the online chatter, there's a 322 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: lot of like, particularly since Charlie Kirk's assassination, there just 323 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: seems to be sort of a growing divide within the party. 324 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm speaking. Here's what it is is that there 325 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: are there are definitely gonna be changed. I mean Mark 326 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: Halpern's like, they won't even be a challenge him. There 327 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: will definitely be a challenge and there will be people 328 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: who will launch a primary against him. You know, there 329 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: is a certain US senator who has a weekly meeting 330 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: about his run for president in twenty twenty eight and 331 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: a Republican senator, and there is other Republicans. You know, 332 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: the model was broken really in twenty sixteen in the 333 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: sense of you can run for president and you there'll 334 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: be no nothing, You cannot lose anything from running for president. 335 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: That's why the clown car keeps getting or every election 336 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: cycle because you get to get a book deal, you 337 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: get a travel across the country, you raise millions of 338 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: dollars you get a fundraising list. And if you're like 339 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 3: Pete Budah Jedge, a man who was like a you know, 340 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 3: a disgraced mayor whose owned city hated him, you get 341 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: to be that secretary of Transportation. The last person who 342 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 3: ever lost anything by running for president was John Edwards 343 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: and is because his affair was revealed. That was twenty 344 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: years ago. You only make things better from running for president. 345 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: And there's a lot of personalities in the conservative movement 346 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: who are living off of the Trump economy. Right they said, 347 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: they pedal bullshit. Sorry for my language, but they pedal Trump. 348 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: They say things like he can run for a third term. 349 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 3: They sit there and make claims about him to be 350 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 3: to tell basically to give the illusion that they are 351 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: leading a parade and leading his movement. 352 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: And they are are. 353 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: All sitting there and looking down the pipeline three years 354 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: out and saying, how do I still make money without 355 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 3: him in office? 356 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: What do I do? 357 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 3: And they are all and they and JD is not 358 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: Trump for many many reasons. But they know that there's 359 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 3: not going to be a JD economy in the same 360 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: way that there was a Trump economy. 361 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: For these I don't call them grifters. But for people 362 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: who who are. 363 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 3: Talking heads, let's just sit there and say we are 364 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: lack of a better term, and there I would not 365 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: doubt if one or two of them end up running 366 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: for prison themselves. 367 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot easier to fail up on the left, 368 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: which makes things harder for those of us. 369 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: I mean, no, I mean people fail up on the right. 370 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: There are plenty of people who fill up. I mean 371 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: I know people who've been fired from every job possible 372 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 3: and they either work in the administration or they have huge, 373 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 3: multi million dollar deals as personalities, and it makes mean 374 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: to rip my hair out, But I guess there's something 375 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: likable about them to the right people and men of matters. 376 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: But politics is an industry where a lot of people 377 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 3: fail up, and it is what it is. But if 378 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: they but I not doubt if there is a serious 379 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 3: no challenge to JD. And there'll be people who run 380 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: that challenge on issues like AI, issues like Israel, issues 381 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: like uh, you know that they'll sit there and say 382 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: that he's too weak on this, or he's too close 383 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: to Peter Teel or whatever the case may be. And 384 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: if they go and get into a debate, we'll see 385 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: how that works itself out. But but yeah, but they'll 386 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: be there'll be a challenge. It won't be the same 387 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: as democratic one, which is going to be a you know, 388 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 3: a blood bath between between the between the Democrats. And 389 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: they'll probably be a push to see who is the 390 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: furthest left. Which is what got Kamala in trouble the 391 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: first time is when she answered that stupid quiz saying 392 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: I will give I will give transgender surgeries by tech 393 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: funded by taxpayers to illegal immigrants. 394 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: Quick break, stay with us and be like what you're hearing? 395 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: Please share in social media or maybe send it to 396 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: your family and friends. How strong do you think? I mean, 397 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: JD did a really great job during the vice presidential debate. 398 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: How strong of a candidate do you think he is? 399 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: Work for him? 400 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 3: You know, I worked him in twenty twenty two, so 401 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: I'm a little partial. 402 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: I like him a lot. 403 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's much stronger than people think that he is. 404 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: He's very thoughtful and he really understands I guess the moment. 405 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: But he's he's very very he's he's he would be 406 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: an aggressive campaigner, and I think that he will be 407 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: able to appeal to a lot of voters remember twenty 408 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 3: twenty eight is because the way the census works, and 409 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 3: because redistricting and what states are expected to lose seats 410 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: versus gain them in the twenty thirty twenty thirty census, 411 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight will be the last presidential year for 412 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: at least a decade where the Midwest will matter right 413 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: outside of Ohio. So if a Republican wins Nevada, Georgia, Florida, Texas, 414 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: and Arizona in twenty thirty two, and beyond the way 415 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: that the calculations are working in North Carolina, rather, if 416 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: they win those states they don't need Michigan, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania, 417 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: that will be the end that this will be the 418 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: last election where the mid West will matter as a 419 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: critical state. Republicans can win the presidency without any of 420 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: those states, so long as they keep North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, 421 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 3: I guess, but it's a red state, Texas, Arizona, and Nevada. 422 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then before we go, you know, how are 423 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: you feeling about the midterms? And we still the dust 424 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: still hasn't settled on all the redistricting stuff across the country, 425 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: and you know, looking at what the map is going 426 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: to look like across the board. But you know, how 427 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: are you feeling about the midterms? 428 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: If elections were held. 429 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 3: Today, North Carolina has a Democrats got a top nominee. 430 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: North Carolina Democrats being great in recruiting, so they have 431 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: a top candidate against Susan Collins, a top canon in 432 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: North Carolina, and it's gonna be hard to win over 433 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: Michigan and Georgia and New Hampshire. So, I mean, Republicans 434 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 3: seem like they'll probably keep the Senate their favor to 435 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: keep it unless it's a complete wave, which would be 436 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: a disaster and have to win Iowa or Texas. As 437 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: far as the House goes, it's tough. I mean. The 438 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 3: good thing about twenty the last election last November, in 439 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: the state House races in Virginia, Republicans managed to keep 440 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 3: all the seats that were Trump plus four or greater 441 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: in the state House. So maybe they lost one, but 442 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: I don't think they did. They kept all the other 443 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: Trump seats though, so there was not a bleed upwards 444 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 3: like there would have been against when some sears, and 445 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: that gives kind of hope that at least in the House, 446 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 3: there's like kind of a cap of how much you know, 447 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 3: we could expect to possibly. 448 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: Lose or gain. 449 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: And there are you know, there's a dozen there's a 450 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 3: dozen Democrats who are in Trump districts. I guess because 451 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: a redistrict name, there's probably like nine that are still 452 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: competitive that they need to go after. And we'll see 453 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: if after California and Virginia redistrict, what's left. 454 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 2: Of the Republicans. 455 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: Yep, well we'll watch it. It is indeed a numbers 456 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: Game with Ryan Gradeski. Appreciate you making the time. 457 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you for having me. 458 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: Hey that was Ryan Gradusky, host of the Numbers Game podcast. 459 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: Appreciate him making the time to come on show. Appreciate 460 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 461 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. 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