WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Matthew McConaughey Talks Spirituality, Cynicism, Ditching Romcoms For Dramas, Poems, Prayers + More 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:00.760 I don't know. 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:04.560 Every day up waiting, click your ass up the Breakfast 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:06.000 Club finish. 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:06.400 For y'all done. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:08.239 Yep, it's the one, the most dangerous morning show, the 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.799 Breakfast Club. Charlamagea God just hilarious. DJ Envy is not here, 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.120 but Layen l Rossa is. And you know, every now 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:15.720 and in here on the Breakfast Club we like to 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:17.360 give up and coming talent a shot. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:18.959 And today we have a man who. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.599 Is entering this industry and trying his hand at poetry. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.960 He goes by the name of Matthew. Is that that mconnaugh. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:32.120 Mcconagie, Mcconagieye rhymes with what would Madonna's how are you man? 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:33.240 I'm good man, good morning. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.640 He's got a new book out, Poems in Prayers available now. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.640 Most folks know you for movies, they know you for speeches. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:41.440 I don't know if they necessarily know you for poetry. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.159 What made you want to put your thoughts in the 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.440 Poems in Prayers instead of another book? 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.960 Yeah, So, out the last few years, I started finding 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.559 myself getting a little bit cynical. I mean, doubt was 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.560 creeping in on me on my own faith, belief and myself. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.480 And you know, mankind. I'm looking at the new I'm 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.360 looking at leadership, and I'm going like, huh, all right, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.240 it seems that jackpot goes to the winner, no matter 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.959 if they lie cheating still to get it. Seems a 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.360 lot of us are kicking the game when it feels going, 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.399 someone's moving the gold posts, and you know, are we 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.679 ready to say, okay, that's how it is? And I 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.880 think this doubt crept in on me. I started to say, well, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.920 maybe that's just how it is. That scared me, and 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.080 then thankfully it then pissed me off, and I said, no, no, no, no, no, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.760 I'm not ready to wave the white flag here and 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.240 concede and say that's the way things are going. So 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:41.360 since I wasn't finding belief in reality and evidence, I said, 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.600 you know what, I'm going to go to dreams and ideals, poems, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:49.240 prayers and say, you know, let's not forget that beginner's 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.120 my McConaughey, and let's grab a hold of those ideals 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.160 and try to make those a reality. And because you know, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.360 that's cynicism, I'd always swore to myself, you know, you born, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:03.440 you're innocent, then you're naive, then you're skeptical because you 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.520 learn some things and you're discerning and make some decisions. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.760 The next step, though, seems to be when we go 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.480 over the cliff to being cynical, doubting people, not giving 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.079 the benefit of the doubt. You start doing that enough, 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.280 you know what happens. You look in the mirror, you 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.600 do the same damn thing with yourself, and so it's 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.920 an early early death. And so that's what I found 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:22.560 myself getting. So I went to poems to prayers. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.919 You said something earlier, you said, you know, people think 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:26.680 that they're getting the jackpot here, right, But you got 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.280 a poem in the book called the Other Day, I wrote, 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.120 wrote God a letter, And I feel like that's what 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:32.840 you have to do. You have to return back the 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.160 source because the jackpot probably isn't here, but we consider 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.000 that jackpot it's a mortal one exactly. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.480 It's a it's a yeah, it's a it's a talisman, 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.640 or it's it's it's it's something that we that we 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.839 bow down to, and we're sold it every day as 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:51.640 being the chalice. Which I think we got to think longer, further, 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.400 project further, believe in God or not. I think we 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.840 got to do that, you know, because I'm talking about belief. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.520 For me, I'm working on my belief in God. But 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:04.640 I think if anybody believes in their better self, their kids, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:06.840 or if you don't know what to believe in, I'll 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.880 like say, ask yourself, who are what you die for? 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.880 Start there. It's a good spot, probably what you would 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.520 be living more for, you know, double down on that bet. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:21.080 And but you know, as a believer myself in God, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:25.000 I've got a hunch and I'm playing for a you know, 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.079 trying to cross an immortal, immortal finish line more than 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.120 just the ones that are you can win right here? 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.640 You know, is this book passion project for you? Because 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.680 you actually have a movie coming out on Friday, but 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.120 you're instead promoting a book. Was this passion project? 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.480 Yeah? I mean, look like I said, I wrote it 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.320 because the you know, I was tired of looking at 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.320 the evidence and and and I didn't feel like writing 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.760 another book like green Lights, but this would be a 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.640 sister of green Lights. Yeah, I wrote it. It came 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.160 out all of a sudden. It was at the same time, 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:58.720 Hey that's gonna come out. You got a movie coming 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:00.760 out Lost Bus the same time. Don't we parlay that 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.200 situation hit the road, talk about poems and prayers, do 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.840 some shows, which I did my first show last night 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.240 in Brooklyn, and at the same time talk about the 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.640 lost bus. If you snap after you did your phone, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:14.960 I don't think I had any snaps. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:18.560 You finished? 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:18.960 Were? 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:19.640 They just quiet? 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.720 They stood and applauded. It was It was cool. It 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.200 was the first show to get it on its feet. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.719 And h you have doing a little little tour with this. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.320 And we did Brooklyn last night. And I go out 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.200 and I get like an opening twenty five minute sermon 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.080 set on the table. Then I'm by a musical guest 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.120 out and they're playing scores underneath about twelve of the 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.839 poems last night, John Mind, Jovie came out, going to 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.200 Nashville today and Lucas Nelson. I don't like that little 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.240 light flex you did. That's just nothing right. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:51.640 Yeah, yeah, Joy came out right. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:57.560 We jammed going to Nashville tonight, Lucas Nelson, a friend 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.400 of Mine's coming out, go to Tulsa from there, Zach 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.000 Bryan's coming out, go to La John Mayer's coming out, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.000 and then I returned to Austin and uh from my 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:15.279 hometown and John Batiste up and comers. Yeah yeah, And 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:16.880 all I said was can I get a couple of 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.480 chords under the reads kind of underscore and I will 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.719 see how they go. But last night John My Joey 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.120 did a hell a lot more than put a couple 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.680 of chords down. He wrote some songs. Wow. Yeah, it 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:27.159 was neat. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.000 I read somewhere to tell me this is true at 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:31.880 one point in time. Because you're big on God now 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.360 and your faith. You talk a lot about it, but 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:34.520 you didn't believe in I. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:35.000 Got it one. 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.720 I've had my years of not believing. I've had a 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.120 couple of them that went on for probably two years 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.640 where I was like, no, self reliance is it. I'm 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:47.039 responsible for me. I'm not relying on any more fate, 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.839 forgiveness and all that ship I've got to I've got. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:55.960 It's about me. I gotta be self reliant. And I 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.800 look back, I'm glad I did it, and I and 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:01.760 I and they were very healthy for me. And when 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.520 I came back to God, I heard God applaud and going, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.039 thank you for having your hands on the wheel, thank 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.440 you for having the courage to go. It is on you, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.160 because I got too many people relying on fate alone, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.640 and it is a combination. And I don't think that, 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.800 you know, we self, reliance and faith usually are talk out. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.919 We can't. They butt heads and I don't my hunches. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.240 They don't that it's both. You know, it's free will 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.760 and it's fate. And while you know we do something, 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.240 is it already written divinely? Maybe? But do we have 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:32.640 something to do with it? And do we need to 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.600 have our hands on the wheel with the choices we make? 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.400 And they are up to us? I believe so as well. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.839 So did you have faith and you lost it and 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.600 got it back or you never had it and. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.719 Then no had it strong? But then also you know 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.280 questioning that you know, you grow up, you know, it 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.160 becomes sometimes it's a ritual. You know, there's many sermons 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.480 from my preacher on Sunday that I don't wasn't listen 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.160 to what he said. But the ritual of getting up 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.320 on Sunday morning, going to church, you know, being reminded 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.040 and being humbled that you're at most number two today 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.839 and then prayers before meals that ritual. You know, you 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.920 get older, you start to question, well, okay, what does 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.400 that mean? And I want it to be more than 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.440 just ingrained in me, like like getting married. I didn't 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.040 want to ask Camilla to get married because it's that 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.880 thing to do. I want to wait until I felt like, Okay, 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.080 now that's a covenant I want to I want to 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.120 make with God and Camilla and we want to go forward, 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:25.840 and I want to take that adventure forward. So the 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.960 same thing with faith. I've questioned it along the way. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:33.080 And I love philosophy and I love science, you know 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.480 what I mean. And I'm not sure with the Bible 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.280 what to do with the burn and bush, But there's 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.720 a whole lot of ethics and ways to live and 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.240 approach life and signpost in it that whether you're agnostic, 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.040 whether you believe or not, there's a lot of great 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.640 things to find in that book, as well as the 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.840 Koran and many other books. So I've questioned my faith 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:53.559 along the way. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.520 In the existence of God, well brought you back with 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.720 it like a mel Gibsons and signs moment less. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:03.880 Sure. Okay, One time was was quite literal. It was 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.320 the lightning bolt in the middle of a blue sky 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.520 summer that I'm like, what cloud did that come from? 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.520 Where it shook my floor? Where Mother Nature, God or 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.560 whatever reminded me. Okay, just letting you know. Glad you 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.440 glad you think it's all on you. I'm reminding you 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.040 that use a little speck right now. You know it 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.800 was actual lightning bolt. Actual. Yeah. I was out out 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.800 in the middle of the desert. I had I had 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.480 a micro climate cloud come over this little cabin. I 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.440 was in the desert. This was on Mother's Day. It 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.200 was eighty two degrees at noon and at two pm 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.040 this cloud came over. It rained, it held, it snowed 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:51.000 on me. In a one hundred yard circumference around the cabin. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.480 I was at white snow two inches deep in lightning bolts. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.480 What you found Mother's Day? 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.640 Like you were awaiting you felt snow like this happened. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.880 This is real? No, And I was completely sober. I'm 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.920 not saying no, no, no, no, no no. I was 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.520 having my first cup of coffee watching this go down, 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:14.080 and uh. I then looked up and as I said, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.120 walk to the edge. It was only around the cabin 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.560 I was at. I went into town. Nobody was like 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.280 snowed brough was it? No? We did could snowed? You 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.199 talk about it? And I taken pictures and like when's 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.480 that from It was like that's today, and it was 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.200 like this is impossible. That couldn't have happened. I was like, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:29.920 it happened on top of me. And that was right 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.800 at the time I went out and again the lightning 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.680 bolt at the time when I'm saying I don't believe 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.640 bam wow, And I went, oh, excuse me, maybe I 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.240 need to Oh, I'm here. I hear you, I hear you, 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.199 you know, And he was saying, just checking in on you, 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:48.480 big boy. Thought you you got it going. I appreciate it. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.800 Don't get too big for your brushes. So that I've 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.440 had it that way, I've had it other times. We're 0:09:53.559 --> 0:10:00.440 just look, I mean you haven't you have your first child, wife, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.640 you're his first child. You want to talk about believe 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.800 the birth? Yeah, and sit there. I'm going to hear 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.160 in a whale cry or hearing your dog on kids 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.520 in the other room laughing together. You see God and 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.679 your woman, you see God and your wife like that? Right? 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.640 What the how did you do talk about miracles? How 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.560 did you do that? How did that? How do you 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:28.120 have that ability? And then you know there's all that people. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.360 I don't know if there's a better word for it. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.760 There's enough coincidences that happened where you're like, you know what, man, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.280 it was a mystery going forward, but now looking back, 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.440 there's a science that adds up that I did not 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.679 have anything to do with that choice that happened, and 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:47.440 I got the I got grace enough times where I'm like, Okay, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.120 I got nothing to do with that, Matt. That wasn't 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.360 my choice. And some things lined up and in ways 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.880 that were more than just coincidence to me. And I've 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.959 had times where I've taken trips, you know when and 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.440 off of my own twenty five days of my own, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.480 and around day fourteen had certain revelations where you know, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.240 when that truth hits you at four am solitude, it 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.400 hits you soft as a butterfly, but with a lightning 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.520 bolt as well, and you reminded, been reminded of some things. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.920 You know, remember that truth, even when you go back 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.360 into the masses in the busy world, do not let 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:26.400 go of that truth, you know. So, yeah, that's what 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.599 inspired truth Sleeve. Yeah, she'll come and visit, you know 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.120 what I mean, if you if you want more than 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.160 just to playing with her, she'll be She'll stay in 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.959 your bed all night every day. You know what I mean. 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.080 It's talking about truth, y'all? Not okay? Yes, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.360 And she'll be there with you forever and then hang 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.040 out with you your conscience and everything else, and she'll 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.640 be a great friend. But she's tough. She's tough to 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.800 live with because you call you on your shit. Yes, right, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:50.720 you know what I mean. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.400 We got to be willing to look truth in the 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.959 eyes and deal with that. Like, you know, it's one 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.960 thing I was I was happy I said this yesterday. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.679 It's like, you know, integrity to me is being honest 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.600 with your self. Yeah, honesty and truth is when you 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.920 with other people, but actually having integrity is when you 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.000 can be honest with yourself. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.280 That's hard for some folks. Yeah, it's been hard for 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.880 me in my life sometimes. I mean, you know, I 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.920 talk about how how I pray in here. I go 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.640 through a rolodex in my mind and you know, people 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.320 I love and care about, and I until I find 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.760 a shot an image of them when they're most themselves, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.760 you know, not the happiest or saddest or emotionally, just 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.040 when they're kind of graceful going in and they're like shining. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.800 I go through that and the last person I get 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.400 to before I in my prayers, I got to go 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.480 through rolodex myself when I'm that way, and that can 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.920 take a mighty long time to find that image. And 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.680 I've had many times where I'm looking in the mirror 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.760 and I'm seeing another you know, and I got to 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.520 sit there and hold my gaze until i can call 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.120 myself on my on my bullshit, you know, and put 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.000 the put the facade down. And that can take a 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.280 while to find that for me. But then I'm also 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:53.600 happy to say I've had many days where I can 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.320 look myself in the I goo, yes. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.760 Sir, speaking of that. How vulnerable? How vulnerable did you 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.320 have to be? And I don't write this book but 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:02.720 to share share it. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.440 Yeah, vulnerable is a funny word. I hadn't worked out 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.600 my relationship with definition of vulnerability. Yet. It doesn't feel 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:11.959 I've been told that though I hear what you're saying, 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.120 because we would say the same question, and I'm going, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.600 I don't know, is it really I don't feel what's 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.080 so vulnerable about it? Because I believe it, So don't 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:26.520 feel like I'm I'm exposing anything myself. If anything. I've 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.600 had people go, Wow, that's that's ballsy of you to 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.480 talk go talk about belief and grace and forgiveness in 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:38.240 God and in the way you're doing it. I've heard that, 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:39.959 but I don't. I don't. I don't feel like I'm 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.560 being brave. I don't feel like I'm being like, oh 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.640 my gosh, I really exposed myself. I mean, I think 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.400 I'm talking a language that's that I know it's true 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.440 to me, and I'm hearing that it's true for others 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:55.840 as well. Now you'll know, man, Hollywood doesn't isn't the 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.600 first one to talk about belief in religion or in God, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.280 you know what I mean. But I've had wonderful times 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.280 with out there with with with people that are believers 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.120 that may not want to admit it publicly prayed with 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.800 a bunch of them. I've got a lot of agnostic 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.000 friends who do not believe, but we sit there and say, 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.120 say are graces and thank you? So, I mean, I 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.160 don't know someone's asked me that, or aren't you kind 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.600 of afraid to do this since you're Hollywood to go 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.600 talk about God? I mean in that kind of a tabot, No, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.440 I mean it never was before for me, and I'm 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.000 sure as hecking now. So I'm on my own spiritual 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.880 journey trying to is that this book right, this book 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.840 is therapy for me. I'm in the middle of it, 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.720 going out last night and putting it on its feet 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.880 and showing sharing with people and engaging back and forth. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.800 I'm I'm finding more connection with myself as well. I'm 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.080 sure you know, because I gotta strengthen my own belief 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:47.720 I want to. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.480 Are you delivering people like your friends that you're talking 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.600 about that are in Hollywood, that you might not have 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.840 strong belief or whatever. Do you find yourself kind of 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.120 bringing them to what you believe? 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:02.320 No, No, I'm not. I'm never I'm not. That's not 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:08.800 where I'm putting my sweat equity into conversion. I want 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.720 to sit there and go. I do think there's a 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.000 lot of people that say, oh, I'm just spiritual, and 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.800 I think that's halfway that I'm like, actually, I'm listening 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:21.840 what you're talking about. You're very religious. Actually the religion 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.320 I love going back to the root definitions of words. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:29.240 Religion comes from the Latin root legare, which means to 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:34.800 bind together and re means again, so that's unity. Now, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.120 I hear a lot of people talk about the unity 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.920 is what I'm for. I'm not religious, but I'm for unity. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.520 I'm spiritual. I'm like, well, that's actually that's definition of religion. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.560 So what I think, what I try to talk to 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.560 people about and remind him, is that I don't think 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.760 religion is a problem. It's what man did with it 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.000 along the way, and where it excluded so many, and 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.920 where it became a business, and where the snake salesman 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.400 came out. And have you got reason to be skeptical 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.440 people preaching some stuff and what they're selling. But don't 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.200 throw religion out. Religion, I think it's all I think 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.560 life's religious. It's all religious I do. But don't throw religion. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.680 Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Throw religion 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.160 out just because mankind bastardized it along the way. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.840 Because I believe in being spiritual more than religious. I 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.640 feel like people can get caught up in religion and 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.240 they just do all the practices or even get caught 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.280 up and going to a place of worship every week, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.760 but you're really not tapped into the spirit. You're just 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.120 doing things that you feel like you should do. Because 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.440 that's what the religion calls for. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.000 But don't you think the ritual, the like mantras. You know, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.040 monks they repeat the same thing six times a day 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.360 in these psalms, they get to they get ingrained. Don't 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.840 you think the ritual of that if it brings you 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:44.560 back the spirit? 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.960 Right, If you're just saying, like I'm going to church 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.840 on Sunday just because just to make yourself feel better, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.280 it's like going to the gym and not really working out. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:17:00.600 Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, well, look, I mean sometimes it's 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.560 it's the effort of just going I don't have the connection, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.560 but I'm trying. And I think it was a great 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.119 Benedictine monk Thomas Merton that said, God, I believe that 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.639 trying to please you pleased you, and that sometimes I 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.880 gotta go to myself is a little amnesty to go, hey, man, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.040 you're trying me going through the doubts that I've got 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.960 to look at that instead of going, oh what the 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.680 hell McConaughey going no, it's part of the process. Man, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.720 keep trying. Man, you know we're gonna you know, you don't, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.760 I don't know, I'm not I'm not. Maybe I got 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.440 to I do. Maybe I got a lot further to go. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:43.280 I mean, if you're gonna have full faith, seems if 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.640 you're gonna have full faith, that you gotta have full surrender. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.520 I ain't doing that, not yet. I got some more 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.399 humility to learn on that way, if that's where I 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.960 can go, But I'm not there yet to fully surrender? 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.800 Is Hollywood keeping you from doing that? Because you know 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.040 when people sighed eye you, and you haven't feel. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.680 Any push back by having, like, you know, putting well 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.879 first of all, putting out something so spiritually. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:09.399 Just I don't. I don't if it's there. Look, I 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:10.920 don't know. Maybe I've been out there thirty five years 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.040 and I've got I understood. The community knows me. I 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.080 know them if I do. They may be saying it 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.119 behind the back, but they understand it to me, and 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.239 they're usually much They're much more open, I think than 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.199 they've been stereotyped to be. I don't there's not a 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.040 pushback now. Like I said, a lot of people may 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.040 not go out and say I'm a belite, but they 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:36.520 might want to keep that to themselves. But they're not saying, dude, 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.640 what are you doing? It's not like I'm going, well, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.760 we're not going to you know, let's not hire McConaughey 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:45.240 because let's not hang out with him because because also 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.200 but I mean, i think they're very, very clear, and 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.679 I think I've been clear with who I am. I'm not. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.919 I'm not sitting there so excluding those people from the 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.080 table if they do not believe I'm not, that's not 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.680 that's not my way, you know. So I've never said 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.879 to them, well, pray for this, but we can't have 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.000 dinner together. It's not what I'm saying, have no means 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.840 to say that, nor do I want to. I'm saying, 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:14.639 come on to the table. And like I said, if 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.359 you're not a believer in God, find so. If you 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.840 believe in sign and go. If you're not a tyrant 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.000 or nihilist, you're not trying to harm people. Whatever it 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.160 is you believe in. Double down on more of that science, philosophy, 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:27.960 whatever it is. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:35.240 What a like you talked about earlier, reflection and looking 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.359 in the mirror and doing I guess doing that all 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.840 writ in this book. What's been like the hardest time 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.440