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Speaker 1: M the Around the League Podcast Loves Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another dishtion to the Around the League Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansen's name, joined by room filled with heroes,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal. What up, boys? Dan?

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Speaker 1: What is up this? Uh? I'll tell you what's up?

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Speaker 1: A lot of buzz, a lot of buzz after what

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Speaker 1: happened on Monday's show, Greg Rosenthal swiping the toaster away

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Speaker 1: from Chris Westling. The photo evidence was posted on Twitter

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Speaker 1: of the toast are changing hands and now we live

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Speaker 1: in a different world than the one we woke up

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Speaker 1: on Monday. I mean, I mean, and let's just go

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Speaker 1: over some things that Mark, you've noticed it. We've all

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Speaker 1: noticed that Twitter people are tweeting at us a lot

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Speaker 1: of reaction. Yeah, I mean, and we have encountered Dan,

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Speaker 1: you and I in the office just a frosty sort

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Speaker 1: of fallout and a lot of ugliness. And we're and

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Speaker 1: we're reading about it from listeners that I think that

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Speaker 1: a lot of them just shell shocked by what happened.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, some yeah, some quick rundown of what we've

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Speaker 1: been seeing. Um one hashtag I saw out there a

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Speaker 1: lot of like heat toward Greg, which maybe and Mark,

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Speaker 1: I know you've gone to the fence for your boss

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Speaker 1: on this a lot, Uh that Greg doesn't deserve maybe,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people are taking out their frustrations

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Speaker 1: on Greg stealing the toaster on Greg himself. Hashtag Twitter

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Speaker 1: boogeyman was something I saw, um. One One listener started

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Speaker 1: a white house petition to get the toaster back to

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Speaker 1: West or to bring the game back. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: to bringing the game back. To bring the game back.

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Speaker 1: One listener said that uh, he started shouting al grow

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Speaker 1: while he was washing his dishes. The question of course

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Speaker 1: that West got wrong that ultimately cost him the toaster. Um.

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Speaker 1: And his wife was looking at him and how was

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Speaker 1: it described? I think she was confused Slash a little

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Speaker 1: bit sad for him as a person. One listener how

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Speaker 1: to press pause before the competition started because the emotion

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Speaker 1: picture of the toaster changing hands to the website Historical Pictures.

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Speaker 1: Another listener asked Greg if uh he will be re

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Speaker 1: enacting the fax machine scene from Office Space on the

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Speaker 1: toaster where it's bashed. Uh? Two bits, Damn it feels good.

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Speaker 1: To be a guest. Couldn't they have a toaster? Uh? One.

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Speaker 1: One listener wrote that he started chanting this is Bolt

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Speaker 1: after Greg one and he used the hashtag West can't

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Speaker 1: die and then strangely this is one of my favorites

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Speaker 1: just for the randomness remdomness of it. One listener said

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Speaker 1: that this was Greg ross snow Dog snow Dog moment,

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Speaker 1: referencing how but Gooding Jr. I guess hit his peak

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Speaker 1: of the end. I think I think what he's saying

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Speaker 1: is the hubrist that maybe Mr Gooding displayed in his

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Speaker 1: Oscar speech when he's on top of the world, to

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Speaker 1: be followed by the worst decisions of his career. So

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Speaker 1: this right now would be my peak and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: blow it the thing. Well, sorry, go on. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think what's lost if we were to look at this

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Speaker 1: being viewed as someone that came in and maybe in

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Speaker 1: a controversial way that's convoluted snatched this out of West

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Speaker 1: was at his peak. He beat a Westling at his

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Speaker 1: peak who came off what I think we're two of

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Speaker 1: his best victories ever, back to back barn burners. Greg

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Speaker 1: came in and one fair and square. That's where I

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Speaker 1: have an issue that he's treated as if he pulled

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Speaker 1: some lever to Sino the yankeest he did win fair

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Speaker 1: and square. I think the listeners are a little bit

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Speaker 1: exasperated because Greg has made it known all along that

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Speaker 1: put it out of its Uh it's it's not really

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Speaker 1: Greg yesterday while sitting downstairs. What is this? Why would

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Speaker 1: I want a rematch? Was his direct quote. So it's happening,

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Speaker 1: gold standard, astutelely Uh put a rule into effect that

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Speaker 1: Greg has to challenge someone within six months or vacate

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Speaker 1: the toaster. So all these things are happening. There is

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Speaker 1: this magic toaster and she is fascinated by She's very well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it does. She is interested in

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Speaker 1: this toaster. She had never heard of the game when

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Speaker 1: At first, she thought it was ridiculous. But then when

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Speaker 1: Can't we just keep that? Can't we just keep the toaster?

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Speaker 1: It's the yin and the yang of the game that

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Speaker 1: But we now have a villainous king, perhaps sitting on

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Speaker 1: Be careful what you wished for, right, It wasn't really

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Speaker 1: that into taking him on. You got what you wanted.

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Speaker 1: One last thing, my favorite hashtag, Greg the Grinch of

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Speaker 1: w WT dot com. That's awesome. And what one more thing,

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Speaker 1: West riverboat Ron you were. There was a riverboat Ron

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Speaker 1: reference to you passing on the final question to win

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Speaker 1: on a tiebreaker, hopefully with time, and you played it

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Speaker 1: riverboat roun by making that it was actually the opposite.

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Speaker 1: This was an aggressive tactic by me knowing that I

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Speaker 1: didn't have the answer to pass and try to win

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Speaker 1: on the tiebreaker, I would not have gotten the answer

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Speaker 1: regardless of how many minutes you gave me. All right,

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Speaker 1: so that as you know, it's this is still a

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Speaker 1: very sensitive, touchy topic around the office, and and the

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Speaker 1: listeners really acted to it in a visceral way. So

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Speaker 1: hopefully Greg will keep the game going. I've never we

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Speaker 1: haven't gotten a fraction of the amount of responses for

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Speaker 1: any of our shows. Is this one, Like my Twitter

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Speaker 1: account has been blowing up since it's great and you

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Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of the show. Well, it's alright,

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Speaker 1: big show today, big show today, a huge show almost.

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Speaker 1: We're going to discuss the Making the Leap series for

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Speaker 1: the Around the League, which we hope you read Around

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Speaker 1: we and girls, and we're very happy that you do.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of great content on the website, right boss, Well,

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Speaker 1: by the numbers, there are countless more people that actually

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Speaker 1: listening to our podcast us right now? You said by

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Speaker 1: the numbers, and then you said countless, which they that

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Speaker 1: seems to be mysteries of the earth anyway, So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into we we revealed two more players on

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Speaker 1: get into something that Chris Westling wrote about Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: we enter the season, in a segment that I'd like

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Speaker 1: to call window addressing, window dressing, window addressing, addressing the window.

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Speaker 1: But before any of that, we have a man behind

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Speaker 1: the glass. Who is this? Is it? Folks? This is

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Speaker 1: the final show of the gold Standard era on the

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Speaker 1: Around the League podcast. He he's here one last time?

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Speaker 1: Zach Goldman. How are you buddy? Doing great? Sad? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is uh. It's a happy moment because the gold

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Speaker 1: Center is moving on to better things. But also you

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Speaker 1: All right, I like it as long as you're plugged in.

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Speaker 1: We did notice, you know, you were a little late

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Speaker 1: coming up here. Got your feet for shirt on. It's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of senior itis creeping in its analogy.

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Speaker 1: I went off campus for lunch today. It's like the

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Speaker 1: He's been accepted to Dartmouth, and now it's just a

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Speaker 1: matter that's a you know, a CTC. Cut the check

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Speaker 1: out my cumberbund. All right, let's do some news one

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Speaker 1: last time. Let's do it. I'm gonna miss that, Let's

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Speaker 1: do it. The Atlanta Falcons defense is already potentially going

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Speaker 1: season after suffering a torn achilles at practice. Weatherspoon has

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Speaker 1: and I think Michael will probably be the change of

428
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Speaker 1: pace guy. They maybe work him in a series here

429
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: in a series there. That would That would be my

430
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: one hesitation on this pick. He's the type of guy though,

431
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: if he gets eight or ten touches in a game,

432
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 1: let's just say a random week two games, you could

433
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: see him popping off some crazy runs and then the

434
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: coaches just feel like we gotta get him on the field.

435
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: I think that's totally fair. Yeah, that's what we mentioned

436
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: was like the his best cases that he starts doing

437
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: things where the Seahawks and they and John Schneider the

438
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: GM's called him one of the top two most explosive

439
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: players on the team. Pete Carroll said he was his

440
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: pick to be a breakout guy this season. They're seeing

441
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: stuff that in practice that tells them we have to

442
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: put this guy on the field. If he can pay off,

443
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: he's going to have a role. One of my favorite

444
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: guys in the media is Lewis Riddick on ESPN, who's

445
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: really sharp, has been in front office. Is he thinks

446
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: Michael is the most talented running back to be drafted

447
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: in the last five years. That's a bold stage. I

448
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: mean he had off the field, he got suspended for

449
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: a game, he had issues there, but he also he

450
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: played because of what he could do. He has totally

451
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: freaky combine numbers that everything points to him being They

452
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: called him his the trainer to Texas A and M

453
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: said he was more explosive than Adrian Peter and see

454
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: you and you were saying, uh, you know, maybe a

455
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: hundred carries something like that. It really wouldn't surprise me

456
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: if this becomes more of a committee. It makes all

457
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: the sense in the world to do that. Spurs like thinking,

458
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: rest Lynch a little bit in the regular season, get

459
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: Michael in there, like the Seahawks needed another weapon. It's crazy.

460
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: If he's as good as we're saying he is, then

461
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: the Seahawks aren't gonna lose much when when Lynch is resting,

462
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: they're still gonna be the best team in the division

463
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Speaker 1: or whatever. Anybody spooked by the spelling of his first name, Yes,

464
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: has there ever been a successful NFL player with the

465
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: spelling that sounds like Christine? That's why he dropped in

466
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Speaker 1: the draft. He could shift to Chris. That's why he dropped.

467
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Speaker 1: People at a reservation in fact I was confusing. Is

468
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Speaker 1: he number one? I'm making a leap? If he's Chris

469
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: Michael there, I'm just the good news for you, Dan

470
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: is you no longer will feel any obligation to read

471
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: this piece because we just laid out the bullets for you.

472
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: I told you I really enjoyed that mixture of an

473
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Speaker 1: Allison house is an optimism, but that's Assessler trademark, water water, darkness, forests,

474
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Speaker 1: wage John next story. Alright, gentlemen, So that is it

475
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: form making the leap talk for today. We're gonna keep

476
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: rolling all the way down to number one. And who

477
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Speaker 1: will be number one? I know people are talking about it,

478
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: there's buzz. Nobody knows. I certainly can I make a suggestion?

479
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: You will read it anyway? Golden Tate I think he

480
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: was on the list last year. Was yeah, of course

481
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: that reminds us of really make the leap. But one

482
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: of the one of the Cold Standards greatest hits was

483
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: in our first game of Go Get My Lunch. The

484
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: last part supposed to be sorry Yours was Golden Tape related?

485
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: Was it? Yeah? I believe it was a Golden Tate

486
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Speaker 1: to the Titans. Didn't quite work out. You know you

487
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: win some, but I maintain that if the Titans have

488
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: a bad season this year, it's all because they didn't

489
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: get Golden date. You're you're very tightan centric. It seems

490
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: like a past in a lot of ways, we all

491
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: sort of recognized the Titans phobic on this pop. Don't know,

492
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: they have sort of a comfortable middling nature to them.

493
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: That's true, that should be yea for the Titans. We're

494
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: a comforting middling outfit. Um alright, So Chris Westling, yes, sir.

495
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: On Tuesday he wrote a piece about Peyton Manning, uh

496
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Speaker 1: and how much time he has left really to be

497
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: get to that. He's been to three super bowls now

498
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Speaker 1: he's won one. He wants to win that second. When

499
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of are in the same page,

500
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Speaker 1: or maybe we're not that if Manning gets that second

501
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: super Bowl win in addition to all his numbers, a

502
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to be comfortable saying he's

503
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. So that's

504
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: where the stakes are at if you're into it as

505
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: a historical situation. And I think we know that Peyton

506
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: Manning does look at football that way, and he wants

507
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: to be seen that way. Uh. Chris Westling, what is

508
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: your what was your take on Manning in two thousand fourteen.

509
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people see the Broncos as

510
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: a franchise that is all in for two thousand fourteen,

511
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: that they're mortgaging the future to win now. And I

512
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: feel like he's got three more years left on his

513
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: contract and there's a good chance he plays all three

514
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: more years. He has said he doesn't really is not

515
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: really concerned to him going out on top like Elway did,

516
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: so even if they win the Super Bowl, he might

517
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: well play another one or two years. Uh. And he's

518
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: he also said his body feels as good now as

519
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: it ever has. It doesn't seem like a guy talk

520
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: thinking about retirement. And you know, thirty seven year old

521
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: season was the best of his career, so why even

522
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: think about He loves football. I think that's very obvious.

523
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: So it makes sense to me that he's gonna and

524
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: he signed that massive contract to join the Broncos two

525
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: years ago, so as long as he's still effective, he's

526
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna keep playing. And that's three more years. And really

527
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: they're the class of the a f C. Once again,

528
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: there's nobody really even close to them, and outside of Manning,

529
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: looking at their roster, do we think that their window

530
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: is closing? You know what I'm saying? Do we think

531
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: much stronger roster now than the team that went to

532
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Great way? Chris just nailed it. The

533
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: a f C, which you know five years ago, had

534
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: a like a flurry of hot teams outside of a

535
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: Patriots team that is equally in question in terms of

536
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: its ability to go long term with with someone like

537
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, who is going to challenge Denver this season?

538
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean, someone is always gonna pop up, but we're

539
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: talking about on paper here in June. They are heads

540
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: and tails a team that went out fix their top weaknesses.

541
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Speaker 1: And it's not fair to look at aging players like

542
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: Manning and presume that an injury is gonna sideswipe him.

543
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: If one doesn't, he'll play three years. Remember when he

544
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: was getting ready for his first season with the Broncos,

545
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: the whole question was can't even make it through a

546
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: C Sason? Will he really be the guy that he

547
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: was before? Is this just gonna be one year? The

548
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Broncos drafted Brock Osweiler because of that, because they had

549
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: no idea. They made this contract year to year because

550
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: of that. But but West is right. I think now

551
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: that we've seen what he can do, there's been no

552
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: drop off. I remember in fantasy the league people didn't

553
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: want to take him that year because we just thought, well,

554
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: Peyton Man is not gonna be good anymore. There's been

555
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: no drop off. There's not really any reason to think

556
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: he won't play for a while unless he takes a

557
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: big hit. Here's the flip side of it, if you

558
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: want to look at what could happen. I mean, he

559
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: just turned thirty eight in March, and I know we

560
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: all view Manning is, you know, godlike, and he really

561
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: has been, but thirty eight is that's a ripe age

562
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. And we look at the Broncos as

563
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: a team that might be better than last year's team.

564
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: But then you're also, on some level, you're putting in

565
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: an assumption that Manning will do what he did last year,

566
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Speaker 1: which I don't think he's going to come close to

567
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: the numbers he did last year. And not just because

568
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: I think he's less of a player, because I don't

569
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: necessarily think that, but just that was one of those special,

570
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: crazy seasons where everything kind of came together and it

571
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: worked perfectly. I don't see him be I see him

572
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: going back more to the type of production than he

573
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: had in his first year with Denver, which is still awesome,

574
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: but that's gonna make them not as good a team potentially,

575
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: because he's not gonna be playing at an all times

576
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: super level that did last year. In my opinion, he

577
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: could he could throw fifteen fewer touchdowns than he did

578
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: last year and still lead to league games with a

579
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: more complete team. And they have a much better defense

580
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: on paper this year than they did. And he's comfortable

581
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: being a late career Chad Pennington, he already is that

582
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: guy a little bit. I mean, he's winning the game

583
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: from a pier from his mind. He's not winning it

584
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: because of a big arm and that. And I think

585
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: that's why Brady has a chance to last a few

586
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: more years too, because they're playing a mental game. It's

587
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: not about their physical skills. Well, let's get into that. Then.

588
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Manning. Is a guy that this is,

589
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps his last best chance entering his age

590
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: thirty eight season. Why don't we go around the room

591
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: and nominate another player who is maybe a little older

592
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: who's still a very talented and productive player, but maybe

593
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: this will be their last chance to make a real run,

594
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: whether it's at the super Bowl or to be an

595
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: All Pro. What's this segment called? Again? What did I

596
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: call it? Was on? Does Shakespeare have to look at

597
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: his notes to remember the title of Hamlet? I mean,

598
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: give me a break. How are we call it father

599
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: time dropping a hammer? No, it is window odd dressing

600
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: because we're addressing the window. Gold said, you're gonna miss that.

601
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: I know it. I'm gonna have to hit you up

602
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: for puns. Regular gotta go to the note. You got it?

603
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: Three dollars per pun? Alright, so let's I'll start it out.

604
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: Since his name three dollars to stop the pun. I'll

605
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: start out since you mentioned Tom Brady, Greg Rosenthal the boss.

606
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: I will nominate Brady as someone that I still believe

607
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: will be a top, top flight player in two thousand

608
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: and fourteen. But I think this is probably the last

609
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: time you're gonna really view him as that type of player.

610
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: I know that he played great by the end of

611
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: the season, but he also when you looked at his

612
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: final numbers last year, uh, he trended downward in almost

613
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 1: every major statistic, So I kind of see him as

614
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: somebody that not quite late period Dan Marino yet. And

615
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see that next year when he's

616
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: really gonna start the age because he's moving slower and slower,

617
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: and he's gonna it's gonna become a bigger issue. I mean,

618
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: he took forty sacks last year, which is the second

619
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: most of his career, in the most in over a decade.

620
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: I think his mobility will continue to haunt him. And uh,

621
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Speaker 1: you know, just the general signs of wear and tear

622
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: as a player ages. So Tom Brady will continue to

623
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: be tom Brady this year, maybe at a maybe a

624
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a lesser level, but still enough to

625
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: lead a super Bowl type team. But this is is

626
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: it for Tom Brady? In my opinion, it's patently absurd.

627
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: My number one pet peeve is judging quarterbacks when they're

628
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: missing all of their wide receivers, they've got a right

629
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: tackle down that the offensive town is depleted, and you're

630
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: holding him to the standards of when he was the

631
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: best player in the NFL. It wasn't as good though,

632
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: even if you throw out the receiver issue. Who was

633
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: playing in the NFC Championship game. But he's a good quarterback,

634
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: but he wasn't as good two years ago as he

635
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: was earlier in his career. To argue that he's at

636
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: the same level as when he was at his peak

637
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: is also absurd to me from people that if you

638
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: watched the game, he's not as good as he was.

639
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: How could he thirty seven years old. He missed more

640
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: throws last year, but he's still one of the top

641
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: three or four quarterbacks and year. I think you're missing.

642
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: My point too, is that I still think he's going

643
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: to be a great quarterback, but he's not going to

644
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: continue forever, and he his downward trending at a moderate level.

645
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Speaker 1: I think everybody is making way too much of this

646
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: downward trend. It's just a very small percentage. And the

647
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: question isn't he isn't as good as he was. None

648
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: of these players that we're gonna bring up Manning was.

649
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Manning skill set is not what it was. Again, We're

650
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Speaker 1: going back to surrounding talent. He had the best surrounding

651
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: talent of maybe any quarterback outside of Brady's two thousand

652
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: and seventeen. Dan has made some bold predictions on this

653
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: show before and we've laughed him off, and then bang,

654
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Speaker 1: five months later we're telling him, hey, remember when Dan

655
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: nailed this. I don't think that's the case here, only

656
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: because I no, no, I just said I'm not gonna

657
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: just shrug off Dan's prediction. But I look back to

658
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: that game he won against the Saints, the way he

659
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: orchestrated that drive and from the neck up with with

660
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: a minute and a half to go. There's just only

661
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: so many guys can do that. That's not going away.

662
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: And the talent around him was subpar. Look at what

663
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Speaker 1: he had compared to to to Manning. I mean, it's

664
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Speaker 1: just absurd. I also agree is not going away. But

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Speaker 1: I think at a certain point, Father time takes over

666
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: for everyone and I think that age and a decline

667
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: will after this season. I just think this is another

668
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Time has taken more from Peyton Manning than Tom Brady.

669
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Speaker 1: If you put tamp Tom Brady in the in the

670
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: Broncos offense last year, he has the same numbers as

671
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: as Manny, maybe better, I think not. I think that's fair.

672
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Speaker 1: But what Father Time has done is make Brady not

673
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: as confident in the pocket, and that's because of his

674
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: A C. L injury or that's just because he's taken

675
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: a lot of hits. He was the best I think

676
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: maybe an NFL history in terms of pocket presence and

677
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: moving around with guys around him. And now he sees ghosts.

678
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes he ducks when guys aren't there. That's not a

679
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: huge strength of his game anymore. And I think we're

680
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: so caught on these guys as legends that you never

681
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: want to see them decline a little bit. It's gonna happen.

682
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: They have to get old. They can't beat back the

683
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: odds in father time forever. And when it happens, there

684
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: happens swiftly with quarterbacks. When it happens, it has to

685
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: happen some what soon. And I think it's fair to

686
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: say Brady has already started declining a little bit. I

687
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: don't think it's that is trying to as a Patriots fan.

688
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm preparing, preparing mentally because last time that

689
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: West and Greg West and Mark are going against me.

690
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: Greg left me hanging. This time he's with me, and

691
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I'm with you. Let's move on, then

692
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler nominate, all right, I'm gonna think that's a

693
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: bad choice. Now hold on mine is based a lot

694
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: on situation and it's Frank Gore. And it's because I

695
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: think Frank Gore is still going to be productive as

696
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: a player for a number of more years. But he's

697
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: not going to be on the forty Niners, I don't

698
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: believe after this season. And so then he's gonna go

699
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: sign a contract with a team whose Super Bowl window

700
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: not only isn't open, just isn't even years from even existing.

701
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: And then suddenly he's not on the radar anymore. He's

702
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: pounding away for who knows, some team on the NFC

703
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: South somewhere. I Gore is a good player, but if

704
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: you're not a tad to him in that forty Niners offense,

705
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: that his scenario dims for a championship. I like what

706
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: you did there. You just ensured that the Around the

707
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: League podcast will be played by Frank Gore every time

708
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: he goes to work out. That's inspiration out. But I'm

709
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: not telling you that he's declining. I'm thinking if he

710
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Speaker 1: doesn't resign with the forty Niners, That's what I'm saying

711
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: is the issue. One of our former editors, Ryan makin Yana,

712
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: interviewed is a boxing writer also interviewed Frank Gore for

713
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: a very nice feature article which just went up on

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Speaker 1: our site today, and that was one of the takeaways

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Speaker 1: that Frank Gore, every time he goes to work out,

716
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: pulls up his phone, takes out a video of an

717
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: ESPN analyst saying this is gonna be his last good

718
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: season and uses that as fuel every time he goes

719
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: to pump iron. Right, are we are we ripping Frank

720
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: Gore here? Though I thought might be his good year

721
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: if he's not on the forty niners. I don't think

722
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: this will be his last good year by any stretch.

723
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: It's situational, the inconvenient truth, Greg Rosenthal's favorite player. Do

724
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: you have a comment on him? I love that article.

725
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: It says it really well if you guys go on

726
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: the site and read it and it. I thought it

727
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: was interesting. His teammates, including Marcus Lattimore, thinks he's the

728
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: smartest football player that he's ever met, which is interesting

729
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: because Gore was known coming out of college for struggling

730
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: on the wonder look, and it just shows how stupid

731
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: that test is because everyone that's been around Frank Gore

732
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: says he's one of the smartest football players that they've

733
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: ever played with. And I think this could be his

734
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: last year in San Francisco. Wouldn't surprise me. I don't

735
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: think Mark's out on a huge limb there, uh, but man,

736
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: I would love nothing more to see the inconvenient truth

737
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: make a little Super Bowl run. I think he's gonna

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00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: close this window. I don't know what that means. Yeah,

739
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's some good window addressing. Well, my

740
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: guy's not someone that's been at the top of the

741
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: game like Frank Gore, Tom Brady or Pete Manny. But

742
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna choose Carson Palmer. And I just find him

743
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: a really interesting guy this year in general, because he's

744
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: been the butt of jokes, uh for the last few years,

745
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: and he's played for some awful teams in Cincinnati and Oakland.

746
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: But this is a guy that was a number one

747
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: pick of the draft. It was a guy people thought

748
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: was a top three NFL quarterback for a brief window there.

749
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: They thought it was Brady Manning and then Carson Palmer.

750
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: And here he is with all this talent around him,

751
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: and he's still much you know, he's younger than Brady

752
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: and Manning by a handful of years. I think he's

753
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: still got a chance. If ever, Carson Palmer was gonna

754
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: make you think differently about how his career has been

755
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: a disappointment. This is the year and I think he

756
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: has a shot to do it. I agree with you,

757
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: because while I think none of us are sold on

758
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer being the guy to lead the Cardinals to

759
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: the top of the NFC West, if you're ever gonna

760
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: make a case, it's it's gonna be now. With this team,

761
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: with Lara Fitzgerald still somewhat still Lara Fitzgerald, and with

762
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: a defense, although we know the defense has taking some hits. Uh, Palmer,

763
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: at this age, this is the time to make the run.

764
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: And you get you get a feeling that if he

765
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: doesn't make significant gains, the Cardinals could be looking in

766
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: a different direct and after this season. So he understands that,

767
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: and that's pretty heavy motivation. He might as well have

768
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: changed his name because he's just not the same player

769
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: he was before the a c L injury, in the

770
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: in the elbow injury. He Jordan Palmer. I take it

771
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: he can. He can wow you though. I mean, if

772
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: he was a college prospect coming out, he would have

773
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: all those wow plays that would get scouts excited and

774
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: get him drafted high. Still, he makes three or four

775
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: throws every game that not many quarterbacks can make. I

776
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: think people look forget that he can get on little

777
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: runs where he looks like one of the best quarterbacks

778
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: in the league. West will close with you a little

779
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: window addressing Reggie Wayne coming off the Colts are contender.

780
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: They kind of need him. T Y Hilton's a different

781
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: kind of receiver. We don't know what Hakim Nicks is

782
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: gonna do after a down season in New York. And

783
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck has called Reggie Wayne a freak when it

784
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: comes to working out his a c L injury and

785
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: his rehabilitation. But he's gonna be thirty five years old,

786
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know. It just seems like they drafted

787
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: uh mon Creeve Dante Moncreef in the third round. Seems

788
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: like they were drafting him to be Wayne's replacement. It

789
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: seems like he might be looking at the last chance

790
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: here for him to be a number one receiver. You

791
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: but do you think he would not be on the

792
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: roster a year from now? Is that what you're I

793
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: think that's possible. Thirty five years old coming off a

794
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: torn a c L. That usually means you're about done.

795
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: I know he's broken all the rules, but that's usually

796
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: what it means. The wide receivers over thirty five years old,

797
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: it's there are few and far between. How many have

798
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: a thousand yards season in there? So it's it's quite

799
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: possible that the window already shut on him. And it's

800
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of sad for such a great player. But to

801
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: blow out your knee at that age and have to

802
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: come back from that, it could already be over for Reggie.

803
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: Wayne could be you want to write the story for him,

804
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: it would be as maybe he's a lesser player, but

805
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: he's still a key role player on a team that

806
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: could go win the title. I think they have a shot?

807
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: Why not? Alright, gentlemen. So that is it for today's

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Speaker 1: episode of the Around the League Podcast. As we mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: the great gold Standard. This is his last show. It's

810
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: been a great run. We're hoping to see if he

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Speaker 1: cries here. Are you gonna cry? Yeah? I am. It's

812
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: already begun water works back here. It's time for you

813
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Speaker 1: to make your final statement in front of a microphone

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Speaker 1: with the NFL before you move on, yea, and not.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to put any added pressure. When Crystal

816
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,680
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Speaker 1: My best Well, it's been a long road. It's been

818
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Speaker 1: a wonderful ride, akin to the Gino Coaster. I would say,

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Speaker 1: some up, some downs, but always greeted with four smiles.

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Speaker 1: So thank you guys for having me. I've really enjoyed myself.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to all of you have let me into

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Speaker 1: your homes and cars and treadmills. It's been a true blast.

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Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about football, from Phil Dawson to

824
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: UH jars Bird exactly. I now I would consider myself

825
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: an expert on the topic. But I couldn't have done

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00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: it without you, guys. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 1: me and UH. I hope that it's on the end

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Speaker 1: of our journey together. As Bert Cooper said when he

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Speaker 1: UH watched The Moon Landing Bravo's job and like Bert Cooper,

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Speaker 1: you have now died in the UE podcast spoiler spoiler,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, spoiling to deal with it, um and we

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Speaker 1: move on to our ninth producer, and we will unveil

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00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: that new producer on on Friday show. So of course,

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Speaker 1: tune in for that the gold Standard. We loved having you,

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Speaker 1: and best of luck and enjoy the World Cup. Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that it's all about. And a lot of listeners

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00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: are rightfully upset that the gold Standard is leaving us, um,

838
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Speaker 1: but I think they should understand he's going on to

839
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: bigger and better things. I am convinced the gold Standard

840
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Speaker 1: will be all of our bosses in ten fifteen years,

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00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: will be run in some sort of large international sports

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Speaker 1: Now we're really building the pressure. You bet enough fail,

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Speaker 1: But all right, so that's it. So we're uh, we're

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Speaker 1: train with us signing off as Dan Hansas for the

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Speaker 1: mail Man, the Sizzler, the Boss and one last time

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Speaker 1: the gold Standard behind the glass until Friday. Will you

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