Speaker 1: Hi, I'm dream A Walker. I played Hazel Williams on
Speaker 1: Gossip Earl and we are going to precap the episode
Speaker 1: in the realm of the Vassies. Welcome back, listeners to
Speaker 1: your one and only source into all things gossip Crow.
Speaker 1: You know you love it. XO x O. Hey, Hey everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome back to XO XO. I'm your host, Jessica's or.
Speaker 1: Since our last episode, a lot has changed on the
Speaker 1: Upper East Side. Serena's back from Buenos Aires, but Aaron
Speaker 1: is nowhere to be found. Rufus has been busy in Boston,
Speaker 1: and Jenny is back at Constance taking on the minions.
Speaker 1: And of course we can't talk about what goes down
Speaker 1: with the minions without having one of them on the show.
Speaker 1: So today we're digging into the drama with Hazel herself,
Speaker 1: Dreama Walker. Dreama is an amazing actor who has done
Speaker 1: everything from comedy to drama to horror, and she puts
Speaker 1: all of those elements into Hazel. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: talk to Dreamer, so let's dive right in. Hello girl,
Speaker 1: Oh my guess how are you doing? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I mean, can you believe like we're
Speaker 1: we were just like we were kids ourselves. I feel
Speaker 1: like when we met and then like we are like
Speaker 1: grown up and have children and our moms. Like it's
Speaker 1: it's so nuts. I mean that's what they tell me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going I guess I'm a grown up.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's true, because it does feel like
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, have we still Like no, it just
Speaker 1: all happens varied for me was I wasn't planned, so
Speaker 1: it happened kind of like fast and crazy and now
Speaker 1: always eighteen months and I'm like, this is just this
Speaker 1: is just crazy. But it's the best thing in the world.
Speaker 1: But it's a lot of work. I just don't know,
Speaker 1: like how I'm allowed to like be a grown up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I don't know, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like I should have been You're like, when did
Speaker 1: that happen? Yeah, I'm just like I should have taken
Speaker 1: a test and I absolutely would have failed. So like,
Speaker 1: who's going to come and you know, tell me I
Speaker 1: can't be a grown up. Yeah, but it's crazy. I
Speaker 1: can't believe this was all like fifteen years ago too.
Speaker 1: It's it's so crazy. Everyone is like aging backwards and
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone listening. I'm not just saying that
Speaker 1: to be nice to everyone that comes on. Like you,
Speaker 1: everyone is either like using some things in the water.
Speaker 1: Something has happened, because like I feel like when Josh
Speaker 1: and Stephanie came on, and Amanda and Chase and Ed Sebastian,
Speaker 1: you like Michelle, no one has looked like it's been
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Like I feel like if they called us
Speaker 1: tomorrow and said come to set we have to like
Speaker 1: do something, we could all like maybe do it. Maybe
Speaker 1: not everyone, but maybe not like but yeah, I just
Speaker 1: keep thinking everyone Kelly looks beautiful. Everyone, it's it's wild.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, who are you going to say? When
Speaker 1: you were like, maybe not everyone, you guys say maybe
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like when I see myself on
Speaker 1: the show and see myself now, I definitely see a
Speaker 1: different age. I don't think I'm aging badly. I just
Speaker 1: definitely am like I don't feel like you're anymore right.
Speaker 1: But when I'm looking at you guys through the screen,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys literally look like are you still
Speaker 1: doing the show right now? Like that for every everyone,
Speaker 1: because I got so excited to have dream a Walker here,
Speaker 1: who played Hazel the one of them minions. Hazel Williams
Speaker 1: um we have her on the podcast today to do
Speaker 1: the rewatch of in the Realm of the Basses, which
Speaker 1: was based on the title of a film in the
Speaker 1: Realm of the Senses, which every single one of these
Speaker 1: titles I've been familiar with and this one I am not,
Speaker 1: but none of them really. It was like Norman Buckley member,
Speaker 1: the director, Norman, He's like, these titles really have nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what's going on. They just kind
Speaker 1: of did it. But I still think it's a little
Speaker 1: piece like you know, grasp and Straws here love it. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just wanted to introduce everyone before we like keep
Speaker 1: going down of like how much I miss you guys
Speaker 1: and missed the set and I haven't seen I think
Speaker 1: the last time I've seen your face well definitely was
Speaker 1: in Once upon a Time in Hollywood, yes, and then
Speaker 1: in person, I feel like it was probably in New York.
Speaker 1: There's like a handful of people I still see from
Speaker 1: time to time. I think, so dreaming unless we maybe
Speaker 1: ran into each other somewhere in l a kind of
Speaker 1: like ran into each other and I feel like we
Speaker 1: were both at a premiere or some kind of party.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it was. That still was like a
Speaker 1: long time ago though it was it. I think it
Speaker 1: was like twelve years ago. But yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: wasn't like when we at least so we have that
Speaker 1: go for ourselves. Oh my god. Um Okay. Since Gossip
Speaker 1: Girl ended, you've been a part of some seriously amazing
Speaker 1: shows like Don't Trust the b An Apartment twenty three,
Speaker 1: which I love. Kristen, thank you and you. I think
Speaker 1: that's so rad that you both got to do. I
Speaker 1: remember that. I was like pumped, and like, those are
Speaker 1: two people that like, are two amazing actors that I
Speaker 1: just don't even know that. Like the energy in a
Speaker 1: scene with you two is like real Rod, super fun,
Speaker 1: She's She's incredible, both of you. I mean, to be
Speaker 1: able to play off each other, that's awesome. And then
Speaker 1: doubt the Good Wife American Dad you were in once
Speaker 1: upon a time in Hollywood. I mean, these are amazing credits.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, you liked it and slowed down girl, You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep my foot on the gas paddle
Speaker 1: and keep going. That's nice for you to say, but
Speaker 1: I'm definitely slowed down right now. And to prove it.
Speaker 1: I'm even wearing crocs, so, um, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: like a cute situation. Yeah right, but uh yeah, Gossip
Speaker 1: Girl really was like my first big break. It was
Speaker 1: my segue. I was a server in New York, like literally,
Speaker 1: like an actual server at a restaurant, and I got
Speaker 1: cast and Gossip Girl, And I remember when my agent
Speaker 1: called me to tell me. I was like, oh, do
Speaker 1: I get to quit my server job? Because I couldn't
Speaker 1: wait to be like I got an acting job, I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. And she was like obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: She's like you should hold onto it, and I was like, gosh,
Speaker 1: darn it. So I had to keep on asking people
Speaker 1: if they wanted fries, Yeah, cover your shift though, yeah sometimes,
Speaker 1: but I still like kind of held onto the job.
Speaker 1: And then I don't you probably don't. I can't remember
Speaker 1: the timeline of this because it's all so long ago
Speaker 1: and my brain cells are dead. Um, but I feel like,
Speaker 1: were you on that You were on the show during
Speaker 1: the writer's strike, right, yeah, And that was like a
Speaker 1: time where no one knew, well obviously what was going
Speaker 1: to happen. It was the first time for most of
Speaker 1: us that we had had to deal with something like that.
Speaker 1: But there was also something very fascinating which I really
Speaker 1: wasn't aware until I was doing this podcast that because
Speaker 1: of the writer's strike, apparently, what many people have come
Speaker 1: on and said is that that really helped the show
Speaker 1: be because c W didn't have content to put on,
Speaker 1: so they just started putting on the show again, which
Speaker 1: I guess got people to be watching that didn't originally.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just didn't I didn't even
Speaker 1: realize that. I'm like, wow, So you know, that was
Speaker 1: like the silver lining for for all of us attached
Speaker 1: to the show. Yeah, that's good. I'm glad. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of people going through a hard time. But
Speaker 1: I definitely had to go back to my serving job
Speaker 1: because we just didn't know. Yeah, well, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: and I needed money. So I was back at the
Speaker 1: restaurant and like, you know, patrons would be like, excuse me,
Speaker 1: are you on Gossip Girl? And I had to be like, yes,
Speaker 1: yes I am, but there's I don't know if you know,
Speaker 1: but there and we need those routers, so um here
Speaker 1: I am, you know, but yeah, what is interesting. I
Speaker 1: feel like that was like a practice for the pandemic
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we had that like round to see
Speaker 1: how we do with with things being completely shut It
Speaker 1: was wasn't it for like six months the writer's strike,
Speaker 1: It was a while. Yeah, it's actually it's funny that
Speaker 1: you say that. It's kind of like when that happened,
Speaker 1: it was everyone was kind of living week to week.
Speaker 1: We didn't know, but we knew at one point, like
Speaker 1: we were going back, but you just didn't know, so
Speaker 1: you kind of did, like, yes, I had to figure
Speaker 1: out your life and that that was kind of like
Speaker 1: the beginning of the pandemic. I mean, outside of health
Speaker 1: things with people, no one knew how long the world
Speaker 1: was going to be shut down, like we you know,
Speaker 1: at first, I'm like, we'll be back to work in
Speaker 1: three weeks. And then I had a full pregnancy. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, you did. I had a full pregnancy and
Speaker 1: baby and then went back to work, which is it
Speaker 1: was just both of those things were very similar in
Speaker 1: the sense of you we just didn't know there was
Speaker 1: no end in sight, so we were kind of you
Speaker 1: made up your own thing in your mind, like we'll
Speaker 1: go back tomorrow, We'll go back in three months, right right,
Speaker 1: Like whatever was comfortable for us, yeah, but for you
Speaker 1: for the casting situation and Gossip Girl, Like did they
Speaker 1: have you come on and do an episode and then
Speaker 1: tell you it was reoccurring? Because I feel like with you,
Speaker 1: all of you guys in in that little pack, like you,
Speaker 1: Amanda and Cole Laton, I feel like there was such
Speaker 1: an energy and a vibe and the way you guys
Speaker 1: all played off each other and what you guys brought
Speaker 1: made everyone on the show, like people from the studio
Speaker 1: and writers and stuff feed into that and wanted more
Speaker 1: and more. Like I feel like none of you knew,
Speaker 1: No one knew that everyone was going to be on
Speaker 1: as long as they were, But I think that speaks
Speaker 1: to like how dope you guys all were and and
Speaker 1: doing it together. I truly mean that because I feel
Speaker 1: like when Amanda came out and Nicole, everyone was kind
Speaker 1: of like we just didn't know, but you you guys
Speaker 1: came on in the beginning and pretty much went through
Speaker 1: the whole show. We did. We did. It was definitely.
Speaker 1: I remembered when I got the audition, Uh it said
Speaker 1: it was recurring, and like I said, I wanted to
Speaker 1: quit my waitressing job, and I was like, later us
Speaker 1: suck up, like, hey, you really don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen, Like they could use you for one episode
Speaker 1: and then be like, sorry, it's not working out. So
Speaker 1: every episode that we did was kind of like an Amanda,
Speaker 1: well Nicole had been on the show before us, but
Speaker 1: Amanda and I were definitely in this same boat of
Speaker 1: like maybe this was the last time we see everybody
Speaker 1: I don't know, So it was kind of like in retrospect.
Speaker 1: It was fun because it lasted and like everything turned
Speaker 1: out okay. But every episode I was just like, oh god,
Speaker 1: I hope it wouldn't do anything wrong and I hope
Speaker 1: that I can stay on this show. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was super fun. I loved the way
Speaker 1: that they like you know, wrote our characters and you know,
Speaker 1: gave us a little fun things to say and fun
Speaker 1: things to wear, and like it's definitely something that people
Speaker 1: are still like, were you ang Acid Barrel? And I'm like, yep, um,
Speaker 1: don't you think it's funny? Though too? Like that, Like
Speaker 1: it's usually like, especially when I was in New York
Speaker 1: at the time, it was usually dudes like in finance
Speaker 1: that would come up and be like like are you
Speaker 1: I'm like, why what are you a fourteen year old girl?
Speaker 1: How are you? You know? But yeah, it had such
Speaker 1: a cool and diverse audience, I feel like, and it
Speaker 1: really like, you know, resented with a lot of fans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm say this funny story. I was
Speaker 1: at an event a couple of months ago and James
Speaker 1: Franco was there, and like his gorgeous like ethereal angelic
Speaker 1: girlfriend was also there, and of course she's like, you
Speaker 1: know what like twenty four or something, which you know,
Speaker 1: like I am not anyway, but she, um, she came
Speaker 1: up to me and she's like, were you on the
Speaker 1: original Gossip Girl? And I'm just like, oh my god, original,
Speaker 1: Like for someone to use the term original for something
Speaker 1: that we've done is just really funny. It's really it's
Speaker 1: it is funny. It's also kind of like awesome because
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, okay, we're kind of like the
Speaker 1: O g s. But it's also really crazy to me.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you'll probably agree there's something and
Speaker 1: I'm sure it has to do with Netflix. But like
Speaker 1: I had a sister who was in high school when
Speaker 1: we were filming, okay, and then I have a sister
Speaker 1: who was born when I was seventeen. So another sister
Speaker 1: like a completely and you know, she was in the
Speaker 1: eight when she was in high school, all of her
Speaker 1: friends started watching us again like our show, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: this is like a whole decade later. This is even
Speaker 1: more than a decade and these people are like into it.
Speaker 1: So I think it was just so dope of like
Speaker 1: the writers or like the fashion and everyone, like with
Speaker 1: the cast, with you and everyone else who brought our
Speaker 1: characters to life. It says something that people still fifteen
Speaker 1: years later. I want to watch it because there are
Speaker 1: shows from when we grew up Dreama that are awesome
Speaker 1: and amazing and I'll love forever. But my sister can't
Speaker 1: go and watch it right now, fifteen years later because
Speaker 1: it just doesn't hold. And it's not because it wasn't
Speaker 1: a good show. Yeah, it wasn't because it wasn't amazing.
Speaker 1: It's just there was something about and it may very
Speaker 1: well be the entire technology blog thing because we were
Speaker 1: kind of the first show to do that, So maybe
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Like, I don't know. Also, just
Speaker 1: like the formula and like the writing was really clever
Speaker 1: and fun. I mean even making these these callbacks to like,
Speaker 1: I feel like there was always some like red herrings
Speaker 1: in a script, you know what I mean. There was
Speaker 1: some stuff that like if you knew something about if
Speaker 1: you'd read books and you were good at literature, like
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, that's a little nugget of like
Speaker 1: a funny little joke, you know. So I feel like
Speaker 1: it on many levels, it like it was it resonated
Speaker 1: with people for sure. Yeah, you are right. They just
Speaker 1: had very clever things like all around it. It was rad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the little treasure for sure. I'm just like still smiling
Speaker 1: from ear to ear because I'm so happy you're here. Girl, Um,
Speaker 1: you're the best here. Here's the fan question. Who do
Speaker 1: you think was the meanest Minion and why? And who
Speaker 1: do you think was the least mean? I mean, I
Speaker 1: would just let's just go with the meanest because the
Speaker 1: least me and everyone kind of it would depend on
Speaker 1: what episode you're watching, I guess, But who do you
Speaker 1: think was the meanest? In general? I think Amanda's character
Speaker 1: of Penelope was ruthless, I mean, girl, right, I mean
Speaker 1: there was some stuff where I'm like, you could probably
Speaker 1: actually go to like jail now, I know, that's aggressive,
Speaker 1: like the hair Martini thing like that was like some stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like some next level, like we need to like
Speaker 1: let's let's fuse together. Orange is the New Black and
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl and let's see like where a Penelope's at.
Speaker 1: I feel like my character was like dumb enough that
Speaker 1: like it also didn't end up great. But I'm probably
Speaker 1: not in prison, but Penelope like might be in prison
Speaker 1: or definitely should be. I mean she was with this
Speaker 1: that's that's that's right. There was like a couple. And
Speaker 1: by the way, like I had read every script obviously
Speaker 1: when we were filming, I had not watched everything. So
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, oh my god, I forgot like just
Speaker 1: some of the stuff you guys pulled or it was
Speaker 1: as it was mean some of this stuff. But oh
Speaker 1: and I didn't know. I totally forgot that I I
Speaker 1: slept with my cousin. I mean I'm just like, oh, great,
Speaker 1: you know, cool way to build a legacy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Oh my god. And then when they
Speaker 1: when they said that in this episode, I was like,
Speaker 1: wait what And then I'm like there was certain things
Speaker 1: that like pop back into my head from reading it
Speaker 1: on the script that would be I'm like, Wow, they're
Speaker 1: really going for it. And I also thought my reaction
Speaker 1: or like maybe the editor's choice like that they picked
Speaker 1: was interesting because it wasn't like shock. It was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, like rolling the eyes and I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 1: so I definitely did. But you know what, girl, that
Speaker 1: was like a solid choice and it made for the
Speaker 1: whole that whole bit to like work, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like serious? It was I feel like,
Speaker 1: now i'd just at least be like, what, no, you know,
Speaker 1: but like I'm not not Hazel, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Hazel, but I'm serious. Your reaction was
Speaker 1: like priceless, and it also made you kind of be like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're they're going going for this. But here is where
Speaker 1: we left off. The Upper East Side was left reeling
Speaker 1: after the death of bar Bass. Chuck grappled with feeling
Speaker 1: abandoned while chasing down dirt on Lily. Meanwhile, cecy meddled
Speaker 1: with Lillian Rufus's potential relationship. Blair said I Love you
Speaker 1: to Chuck. Eleanor and Cyrus got married, and Chuck, filled
Speaker 1: with grief, disappeared. I I like was shocked dream out
Speaker 1: when when the bar best like death happened. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: he died, Like yeah, this is crazy. And then the
Speaker 1: episode that we're going to go into, Chuck's uncle Jack
Speaker 1: arrives on the Upper East Side to assist him with
Speaker 1: picking up the messy pieces of his father's passing. Trying
Speaker 1: her best to forget the last pain folks change with Chuck,
Speaker 1: Blair focuses her attention on being accepted into the most
Speaker 1: prestigious ladies club in the city. Jenny returns to Constance
Speaker 1: and immediately takes on Penelope and her posse of mean girls. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Serena and Dan make a decision about their future. So
Speaker 1: it was New Year's and big things have changed, and
Speaker 1: Serena and Aaron broke up, and Jenny is back at school,
Speaker 1: Like that was no big break. There was not a
Speaker 1: lot of things that happened at all, so quiet holidays.
Speaker 1: And actually right before this, I forgot, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole like snowflake ball situation where you guys gave me
Speaker 1: the dress and it was see through and all that.
Speaker 1: I like, I just watched it and I forgot, like
Speaker 1: how I'm like, oh my gosh, just all the whispers
Speaker 1: and she feels awful, and here was Vanessa trying to
Speaker 1: do the same, like the good the right thing again
Speaker 1: and then she gets like completely embarrassed and looks like
Speaker 1: like I was like, oh, poor v But do you
Speaker 1: remember filming that? Vaguely? I remmer, But wasn't it at
Speaker 1: like a gorgeous like penthouse? Am I thinking of the
Speaker 1: right feel? Like? We filmed at so many cool locations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just remember they literally had fake snow falling down
Speaker 1: all of the dresses, like your your costume was amazing,
Speaker 1: and then like the music. I just I mean, it
Speaker 1: was always like that, but there was something special about
Speaker 1: this And maybe it was because Vanessa. That was Vanessa's
Speaker 1: first time coming up to like properly go to one
Speaker 1: of them, So maybe that's why I feel connected to
Speaker 1: it and then that happened to her. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: also really enjoyed whenever I got to have scenes with
Speaker 1: you guys, because I didn't all the time, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? It was you and far between for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we would be in between takes. You would never think,
Speaker 1: like you know, in the in the scene Hazel, Vanessa
Speaker 1: would never talk or Vanessa and Penelope and Vanessa and
Speaker 1: Blair clearly can't stand each other. And then in between
Speaker 1: we would all be like sitting in each other's trailers
Speaker 1: and hanging And that was like part of the most
Speaker 1: fun of me of the for the show, because it
Speaker 1: was like we could do one thing on screen and
Speaker 1: totally different off screen. And we were just like young
Speaker 1: in New York City and yeah, and we spent so
Speaker 1: much time together. I mean, like the crew I was incredible.
Speaker 1: Like our hours were insane on that show. I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, like we would show up to work at
Speaker 1: like five thirty in the morning, and I remember there
Speaker 1: was one day we showed up at like five aready
Speaker 1: and they didn't use us, like, and everyone was working
Speaker 1: so long and so hard. So we spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time together. Um, and usually in like really cool
Speaker 1: occasionally really cool locations or like cool holding locations. I
Speaker 1: remember one time we were in it was like winter,
Speaker 1: and we were staying at some like rich person's house
Speaker 1: and they had a sauna and so like we were
Speaker 1: all sitting in the sauna and I was just like
Speaker 1: this is not terrible. Yeah, we actually were all these
Speaker 1: amazing designer clothes and um, it was fun and we
Speaker 1: all were like pretty close as a cast, Like it
Speaker 1: was funny. I was watching that episode last night, and uh,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I recognized the Box, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: because I went to the Box with Leyton a couple
Speaker 1: of times, which was also like a hot hot spot, right,
Speaker 1: it was super hot. I mean, like, I did not
Speaker 1: believe the things that went on. I'm gonna like tell
Speaker 1: my great grandchild and they're gonna think I'm delirious, But
Speaker 1: I swear to god, I saw some crazy stuff at
Speaker 1: the Box. At the Box, we did crazy stuff at
Speaker 1: the Box. I don't think some of the times, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how. Again, then this seems like a
Speaker 1: topic that comes up quite a bit, but like how
Speaker 1: they could get away with some of that stuff. It
Speaker 1: was insane, I know, for anyone listening in our show
Speaker 1: in Gossip Girl, the Box in real life was a
Speaker 1: club place to go in the city, but in Gossip Girl,
Speaker 1: it was the last place that Chuck owns. That's the location, right,
Speaker 1: Chuck owns character bought it in the show, and that
Speaker 1: was actually that was actually around the corner from my apartment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I remember that, Like you could you
Speaker 1: could walk right yeah, around the corner. I was on
Speaker 1: the Lower East Side. Yeah, good old box. Okay, So
Speaker 1: jumping back into the episode, we we see Uncle Jack
Speaker 1: come back for the first time to kind of pick
Speaker 1: up this mess, but you kind of can feel like
Speaker 1: he has ulterior motives for sure, which I did remember
Speaker 1: how kind of nasty he was, but he comes back.
Speaker 1: Then we have a Rufus reveal with Serena's reveal where
Speaker 1: she has broken up with Aaron now and Rufus has
Speaker 1: been in Boston and Dan thinks he's like they're trying
Speaker 1: to talk to an artist or something, but meanwhile we
Speaker 1: find out that like they're trying to go to adoption agencies,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, wait, there's like another child in the
Speaker 1: mix here, because right now everything that's going on is like,
Speaker 1: you know, Dan and Swerena are on again, off again.
Speaker 1: Lily has always had a special place for Rufus. Now
Speaker 1: her partner has has passed, there may be a child,
Speaker 1: a love child between Rufus and Serene I mean Rufus.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Oh my gosh, we happened, Rufus and really,
Speaker 1: But then there's also like Chuck is also Lily's step
Speaker 1: son kind of in a way you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, wait, they're just adding one more things.
Speaker 1: So I compleat eataly forgot that there was this situation.
Speaker 1: Did you remember that that they have? No? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything. I'm just like what what I was? Just?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? How weirdly to share a sibling with
Speaker 1: your significant other? Right, yeah, and then you just don't
Speaker 1: like I'm like, wait, I don't remember meeting them. But
Speaker 1: then I feel like I don't want to like give
Speaker 1: anything away. But and I could be completely wrong, but
Speaker 1: I think in a couple of episodes, I feel like
Speaker 1: Vanessa ends up meeting the guy and going on a
Speaker 1: date with him. But I could be wrong. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: and they're making fun of me for dating my cousin.
Speaker 1: This is so incestuous, This is insane. But I think
Speaker 1: there's someone Vanessa dates later on and it ends up
Speaker 1: being connected to Penn or Dan rather and I and
Speaker 1: it's I can't remember if it ended up being Lillian.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But when we go, let's let's cut
Speaker 1: to speaking of Rufus and that whole thing is Jenny.
Speaker 1: Jenny is back at school. Her and Eric are sitting
Speaker 1: on the steps, and then Nelly Yuki comes up to
Speaker 1: Jenny and says that she's glad she's back, and the
Speaker 1: minions are being so mean to Nellie, who is clearly
Speaker 1: the new Jenny. But later at the you know, the
Speaker 1: yogurt shop, um Eric and Jenny ce Penelope making Nellie
Speaker 1: scrub her shoe, and Jenny intervenes and is like, just
Speaker 1: this is not okay. I mean, do you tell us
Speaker 1: about like scenes like that, because it was always like
Speaker 1: a group of you which we all we know as actors,
Speaker 1: and I think everyone listening from how many times we've
Speaker 1: had to kind of talk about this group. Scenes always
Speaker 1: take a really long time because of coverage and you know,
Speaker 1: even if every time it goes perfectly well, you still
Speaker 1: have to get every single person's coverage in a wide
Speaker 1: and you know all these things. So how was how
Speaker 1: was that with like filming in the yogurt shop and
Speaker 1: walking like do you feel like it was a lot
Speaker 1: of takes? What do you think because we also people
Speaker 1: I forgot about this every scene we have cell phones
Speaker 1: in it and you don't just because when you watch
Speaker 1: the show those were all plugged in. Later like when
Speaker 1: our cell phone buzzes it didn't buzz in the show,
Speaker 1: like right right, And it was also so funny to
Speaker 1: watch the episode. I think we have like razors or something,
Speaker 1: which is like, oh my god, it's just like a
Speaker 1: relic at this point, right, Yeah, I just oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I just remember, like, you know, so we had did
Speaker 1: so many exterior scenes and I feel like we were
Speaker 1: always cold, but like wardrobe always an amazing job. Like
Speaker 1: we always had like long underwear and it would be
Speaker 1: cut so like you couldn't see it through the garments.
Speaker 1: And I also remember when I first started on the show,
Speaker 1: they like kept on putting me in flax and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm tiny, I'm like five too, and they
Speaker 1: would put me next to Taylor, who like was only
Speaker 1: like fourteen and five ten, and they would I'm just
Speaker 1: like I looked like her little child. Um so yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember I was like, guys, can you also can
Speaker 1: you just put me in a hill too? And I
Speaker 1: remember I think by that point I was already in heels,
Speaker 1: thank god. But yeah, that I remember. Also the headbands,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the headbands. It was all about the headbands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a look and it's so funny to watch
Speaker 1: that trend kind of like start with Gossip Girl and
Speaker 1: then just like flood New York City. Like I was
Speaker 1: like a grown ass, twenty you know, two year old
Speaker 1: woman being like, um so like just funny it was.
Speaker 1: It was funny the way and the colored tights. I
Speaker 1: feel like that was another big influencing thing that we
Speaker 1: did on the show that just kind of swept across
Speaker 1: the city. That was really kind of cool to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's people really like gravitated and like what we're on
Speaker 1: that like on and on another level. And I feel
Speaker 1: like it wasn't just New York. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was everywhere, but it was so in our face in
Speaker 1: New York. Like I would go to dinner and I
Speaker 1: would see like literally the table next to us some like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's so funny. They're literally out of
Speaker 1: a scene of Gossip Girl. It's wild, right, I know. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: so now we go. Lily goes to the gallery to
Speaker 1: see Rufus and ask where about their child. Lily says
Speaker 1: that she gave him up and it was a boy
Speaker 1: and she gave up the right to go looking for him. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: let's hold on a second. There that's like a really
Speaker 1: sticky situation because I feel like, if that's how she felt,
Speaker 1: what she needed to do in the moment, and like
Speaker 1: that's her choice, and I get that. But how good
Speaker 1: of a dad that Rufus is? I feel I'm feeling
Speaker 1: for him, like is that fair that he just doesn't
Speaker 1: have an option in it? He wasn't like he's not
Speaker 1: like an absent dad that wouldn't, you know, not be
Speaker 1: there or not try to make the best situation for
Speaker 1: the child. So I feel like that was such a
Speaker 1: sticky thing because I can see both sides. I can
Speaker 1: see where she's coming from of like maybe in the
Speaker 1: moment not being able to do it, like for Lily,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I could see, and then for Rufus, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I I would be kind of really hurt and upset
Speaker 1: that I didn't even know. Like if you find out
Speaker 1: at one point in your life dream of that we
Speaker 1: have a twenty year old and we just didn't even
Speaker 1: know about it, we would be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, well, And it's
Speaker 1: also like I mean, oh my gosh, this scandal of
Speaker 1: like hiding yourself and hiding a pregnancy, like are you kidding?
Speaker 1: It would be horrible, especially, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like someone would just see me like waddling
Speaker 1: down the street and they'll be like, oh, there's definitely
Speaker 1: like five babies in there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: she's definitely hide this pregnancy, like what the heck? Man
Speaker 1: like scandal? Yeah, it's crazy. And do you think I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a whole loaded thing in itself, but do you
Speaker 1: think you could ever? Because then at this point when
Speaker 1: they're back at the at the loft, Rufus ends up
Speaker 1: seeing Dan and Serena like there and do you think
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's a really hard situation too,
Speaker 1: like could you date someone that your parents used to
Speaker 1: date their parents? I don't know, Oh man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: What do you think? I find? I feel like it's
Speaker 1: like hard. There is there is like a Serena says
Speaker 1: something and I can't remember if it's this episode, but
Speaker 1: she says something, Well, in Clueless, Alicia Silverstone dated her
Speaker 1: stepbrother and I was like, well, we have to throwback
Speaker 1: to Clueless and it's Paul rod And also who wouldn't
Speaker 1: date Paul Rudd? Yeah this is true? Yeah, this is true. Um.
Speaker 1: But then I was just like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: such a hard thing. And it's also hard because me
Speaker 1: watching the show now, there's parts of me that like
Speaker 1: love Lillian Rufus together, and then there's parts of me
Speaker 1: that love Dan and Screenia together. There but you guys
Speaker 1: all can't date that. That that's just to me is
Speaker 1: like it's too awkward. Imagine a dinner. I honestly think
Speaker 1: Lillian Rufus are like way too different of types of people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like no, I mean like
Speaker 1: there's no way that they're going to go out and
Speaker 1: like enjoy like the music together, Like no, I well know,
Speaker 1: I mean just even Lillian Rufus, I feel like they
Speaker 1: just kind of grew apart. Like yeah, sure, maybe there
Speaker 1: was an attraction, but she's like, you know, an Upper
Speaker 1: east Side socialite and he is, you know, supposed to
Speaker 1: be this like Brooklyn like artist. Uh, and I just
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's not a ton of I mean,
Speaker 1: they're you know, there are very different kinds of people
Speaker 1: in New York, and like, I just like you could
Speaker 1: probably find somebody that you have a little bit more
Speaker 1: in common list or like stop obsessing over what you
Speaker 1: were into when you were a teenager, and like, move on.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. I like, let Dan and Serena
Speaker 1: have each other. Let's just let them be. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And what we were talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: when you said Penelope could very well be in prison,
Speaker 1: there was a quote I haven't written right here where
Speaker 1: she there's all these things going on with Nelly Yuki,
Speaker 1: and Blair's like, I'm over the high school drama. And
Speaker 1: Nellie's there, and Penelope's there and Hazel's there. But literally
Speaker 1: Penelope says the only way Nellie is leaving is in
Speaker 1: a body bag. I remember my jaw dropped to the floor.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't. Like, that's like saying bomb on
Speaker 1: an air ball, Like that is like a major that's
Speaker 1: like a threat. That's like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the only way Nelly is leaving is in a body bag.
Speaker 1: Dream of that's awful. Yeah, I think she was the
Speaker 1: most nefarious by far. Yeah, that that would be someone
Speaker 1: i'd definitely be be weary of and wouldn't wouldn't spend
Speaker 1: time with. But uh, yeah, that's crazy. I forgot about
Speaker 1: that one. Oh my god. I was like, holy sh it.
Speaker 1: I need to write that down. That's like, that's nuts.
Speaker 1: But that's also why the writing on the show was
Speaker 1: so because they did things where you you really would
Speaker 1: be like shocking, and then one scene later you're like
Speaker 1: your heart feels a certain way about characters getting together
Speaker 1: or someone being mean, and you're like, oh, don't be
Speaker 1: a mean girl. And then you like, you know, when
Speaker 1: someone comes back and for revenge, you're like happy that
Speaker 1: they got through it. Like they just had you all
Speaker 1: over watching it, which I you know, sometimes reading a
Speaker 1: script it's very different than what goes on screen sometimes
Speaker 1: or like you know what I what I think, or
Speaker 1: the edit that the you know, editor picks or cuts rather,
Speaker 1: but um, I just yeah, they really had you kind
Speaker 1: of all over emotionally on the show, and which is
Speaker 1: why I think everyone loved it so much. Like this
Speaker 1: next thing, I wouldn't have expected this at all. You
Speaker 1: guys go back to the yogurt shop for yo shop,
Speaker 1: and Jenny basically gets a table and new and the
Speaker 1: other minions can't get a table, which that was that
Speaker 1: also to me was always like when anyone was trying
Speaker 1: to one up with you guys, whether it was Blair,
Speaker 1: you or Penelope I was always like nervous because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you guys didn't care. You would like you didn't it
Speaker 1: didn't matter if you'd get expelled or something. You're talking
Speaker 1: about body. Yeah, I mean, you guys literally didn't care.
Speaker 1: So I'm always like, oh my gosh, here's Jenny who
Speaker 1: is like really sweet at heart, she's not trying to
Speaker 1: be a mean girl, and she's going to try to
Speaker 1: like one up you guys. And then she goes and
Speaker 1: does it. And I'm like, by the way, where you
Speaker 1: guys actually eating yogurt there? I feel like we were.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was that was a day of
Speaker 1: like heavy yogurt eating and obviously I think it hold
Speaker 1: outside too, and I was just like, oh god, why
Speaker 1: can't we be eating like a warm food that's not heavy. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do remember sitting in the Pinkberry and
Speaker 1: like eating yogurt all day. Pinkberry over sure. I remember
Speaker 1: the first time having that too. It was like delicious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like it was such a thing of the time.
Speaker 1: It's like pinkberry and bubble dresses or like totally yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you? I mean, I know it probably depends
Speaker 1: on the role and kind of what is going on
Speaker 1: in the moment. But I have like a weird thing
Speaker 1: with like food and drinking and scenes because I feel
Speaker 1: like when in real life when we go to dinner
Speaker 1: and go to have a drink or a coffee, you
Speaker 1: drink it and you eat it, and I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes all of a sudden, in a scene, people just
Speaker 1: feel like it's foreign. So I'll watch something and they
Speaker 1: won't touch their food, but it's like a three page scene.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you would not not eat unless it's like
Speaker 1: a breakup thing maybe or something. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: so I always found it fascinating. But I in this,
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys were like in the moment
Speaker 1: and loving the yogurt or whatever was in the because
Speaker 1: that's so funny. Well, I don't know. I think I
Speaker 1: was still like super poor at that point, so I
Speaker 1: was probably like, oh, this was great free. You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm hungry. Yeah. I think I had like no money
Speaker 1: back then, and I was literally like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the only days that I get to eat or when
Speaker 1: I come to sit and today I'll just get to
Speaker 1: eat yogurt. So that was probably my life at that point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've noticed that in scenes too, but as
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you do it so many times,
Speaker 1: it's really difficult to you know, eat yogurt for three hours,
Speaker 1: like I mean, as much as you think that might
Speaker 1: be great, like it's not, you know, and as you also,
Speaker 1: as you know, usually the food is terrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: pinkberry was fine, of course, but like I mean, usually
Speaker 1: the food is awful. It's like, you know, some gross
Speaker 1: pizza and they're like, oh, you're supposed to be chowing
Speaker 1: down on this, and it's just like, darn it. We
Speaker 1: got the wide shot, we got their coverage, we got
Speaker 1: my coverage, we got close ups, we got you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like there's just you if you make
Speaker 1: a choice to eat in a scene, you are going
Speaker 1: to have to keep eating. And um yeah, that's also
Speaker 1: why I mean, you know they have spit buckets, like
Speaker 1: yeah they do. It's wild. It's but I get it
Speaker 1: and that and that is true. Like I do have
Speaker 1: some friends that are like I I sometimes just won't
Speaker 1: eat in a scene because I'm not going to eat
Speaker 1: for seven hours on all these different coverage and eat
Speaker 1: bad you know, cold yeah, like cold pizza this, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh see it. Sometimes I just because it
Speaker 1: sticks out to me. It's like Brad Pitt and Oceans twelve.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's there's like almost not a scene where
Speaker 1: he's not eating. I'm like, Okay, that was like aggressive,
Speaker 1: but I like that he committed. I'm like, you go
Speaker 1: with that hot dog brad Pitt, right, well, I mean
Speaker 1: like he also yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting because like
Speaker 1: he's like in Pac so I'm I'm curious about Like
Speaker 1: he was like, this is my one meal for the year. Um,
Speaker 1: the rest is a liquid diet. He's Brad Pitt's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I will do all these scenes like this just I
Speaker 1: want a trainer in this for the next two years
Speaker 1: for when you know my next fight club. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, when you go back to watch it, you'll
Speaker 1: be like, holy crap, he's literally never not eating. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not. You're absolutely right. I I completely forgot about
Speaker 1: that until you brought it up. But I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, he's like really skinny, wearing tight
Speaker 1: pants and just like shoving a hot dog pace or like,
Speaker 1: you're right, such your choice. I completely forgot such a choice,
Speaker 1: such a choice, and like a cool choice because I
Speaker 1: mean Honestly, it makes the whole scene more natural if
Speaker 1: you're eating or drinking, because that's human, right, So it
Speaker 1: makes me look more like a human than you know,
Speaker 1: you being in front of the camera being like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be a human. You know, that's difficult. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's really it's it's as weird as this probably
Speaker 1: sounds to some people. It's like it is like they're
Speaker 1: just taking a bite or sipping something. There was something
Speaker 1: this is so simple, but it's stuck out to me.
Speaker 1: It was in a Sex in the City episode and
Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica Parker's characters just talking and talking in the
Speaker 1: middle of a story and someone comes to pour wine
Speaker 1: and she doesn't even look up to have them kind
Speaker 1: of finish pouring or whatever. She just kind of like
Speaker 1: gives emotion to them, but keeps in with engaging with
Speaker 1: whoever she's talking to. It was so simple, but it
Speaker 1: was definitely a choice that I'm pretty sure she made,
Speaker 1: Like that wouldn't have been in the middle of the
Speaker 1: direction on the page, and I thought, Wow, something as
Speaker 1: simple as that, She's just in the moment and doing it,
Speaker 1: which sounds crazy, but I love stuff like that. Yeahs too. Actually,
Speaker 1: we just saw a top gun this weekend and there
Speaker 1: was like the cool like the cool character like had
Speaker 1: a toothpick in his mouth and he like turned the
Speaker 1: toothpick around and he looked so cool and in that
Speaker 1: like very smart. The toothpick inside, yes, like it was
Speaker 1: facing one way and he like moved it so that
Speaker 1: it faced the other way. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't do that. I would, you know, swallow the toothpick
Speaker 1: and DIEU. But I was just like, that's so cool
Speaker 1: because I know exactly who he is by that cool motion.
Speaker 1: I know you're that guy that's like, you know, a
Speaker 1: smartass anyway. Um, but yeah, I love when actors make choices,
Speaker 1: strong choices like that. I feel like I'm not the
Speaker 1: actor to do that because I'm a goofball, but um,
Speaker 1: everyone else, great job, great job. No, but you you're
Speaker 1: That's that's what's so cute about you, and you definitely do.
Speaker 1: I've watched you on many things. Whe I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: like a choice and it was dope. But again, those
Speaker 1: are just little things which when you watch it you
Speaker 1: probably sometimes don't even notice. And that's part of it.
Speaker 1: That's because it's so in the moment, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know everyone. Sorry, we we're like talking about the
Speaker 1: little list things. I'm like, Meryl Streep touched her necklace
Speaker 1: and one listen, Jessica, if you want to, if you
Speaker 1: want to divert off of this and do like an
Speaker 1: acting podcast, we can do it. We have the materials. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll just like dive it. Oh my goodness. Um, well
Speaker 1: here we're going to Blair and Chuck now, which also
Speaker 1: I think some of the choices they make in their
Speaker 1: whole storyline and everything with Chuck and Blair has been
Speaker 1: like sometimes I'm like, wow, that's a choice, but a
Speaker 1: freaking works man. So Blair goes to find Chuck and
Speaker 1: he's in bad shape, and she tells him, just go
Speaker 1: back to your family. Eric Srina Lily, but he's says
Speaker 1: they are in his family, and Blair is heartbroken, and
Speaker 1: she goes home to prepare for the Colony Club selection committee,
Speaker 1: who's arriving like any minute. And when Serena comes over
Speaker 1: to help find Chuck, Blair tells her that Chuck doesn't
Speaker 1: want help, and Serena tells Blair she's abandoning him, and
Speaker 1: Blair responds that she isn't abandoned. She's saving herself. I
Speaker 1: thought that was good. I did too, Like it's because
Speaker 1: she Blair and this at this time when he's lost
Speaker 1: his father and no one knew this was going to happen,
Speaker 1: Like this was a very this was a surprise, unexpected death.
Speaker 1: Blair's really putting herself out there and being so vulnerable
Speaker 1: to just letting Chuck be who he isn't at this time,
Speaker 1: letting him grieve. Yeah, and she that has to be
Speaker 1: very painful for her to to watch someone self destruct
Speaker 1: and be trying to numb something but yet try to
Speaker 1: show that she's fully there and loves him. I mean
Speaker 1: that has to be very breaking for her too. So
Speaker 1: I give Blair a lot of credit. That being said,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine losing a parent suddenly and already kind
Speaker 1: of having the layers of of things that that Chuck
Speaker 1: needs to deal with that you mentioned earlier. So that's
Speaker 1: like hard, But I do think at one point you
Speaker 1: can only do it for so long otherwise you're kind
Speaker 1: of is she enabling him otherwise? I mean I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's hard. What where do you
Speaker 1: draw the line? I mean, you can lead a horse
Speaker 1: to the water, but you can't make him drink, right,
Speaker 1: So like, I feel like, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: when she said that, like, I'm not I'm not abandoning him,
Speaker 1: I'm saving myself. I feel like, oh, that was actually
Speaker 1: like a really valuable lesson, I think, especially for women,
Speaker 1: because we tend to sort of like take on other
Speaker 1: people's issues and feel like we need to, you know,
Speaker 1: help them. So yeah, I actually thought that was I
Speaker 1: was for her doing that. I have to stay with
Speaker 1: the ladies at the Colony Club. They were wearing a
Speaker 1: little bit too much argyle for me to be interested
Speaker 1: in being friends with them. But did you have you
Speaker 1: seen that they like all in argyle? It was amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did you see? It was like an
Speaker 1: argyle sweater. Vest One was in like an argyle card again. Um,
Speaker 1: so I feel like if I were going to save myself,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go for somebody who was wearing a lot
Speaker 1: of argyle just personally, right, You're like, it's just not
Speaker 1: my not my vibe. Not my vibe, man, not my vibe.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I kind of like Blair
Speaker 1: is such an interesting character. I was always I love
Speaker 1: to see how her brain works. She's super smart obviously,
Speaker 1: like her one liners are amazing, and Layton just brought
Speaker 1: so much life and fun to that character and was
Speaker 1: like just a great choice for that. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm like more I'd want to see Blair thrive,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not interested in seeing Blair like necessarily you know,
Speaker 1: in love. I just want to see her like take
Speaker 1: over the world. And you know, if the Colony Club
Speaker 1: is is her route them? Cool? Whatever? Yeah, And that
Speaker 1: that whole thing was just like interesting to me because
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, what is Blair's angle here? Because she
Speaker 1: always has an angle and she's always very wide, like
Speaker 1: she is it in like such a interesting kind of
Speaker 1: funny way. But then her like she's very wise, but
Speaker 1: then like the ship she pulls is like is nuts.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so when she's sitting here with all these
Speaker 1: women and I just like when they bring up Chuck
Speaker 1: and tell her you know, the answer has to be no,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, what is she going to do?
Speaker 1: And I see like de Rhoda look over at Blair
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh god. So I was like happy
Speaker 1: that she like stood up, but yeah, she did the
Speaker 1: right thing. For sure, she did the right thing, but
Speaker 1: I agree, like, we're not gonna want to watch her
Speaker 1: try to take care of a messy Chuck for forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you when you find your ride
Speaker 1: or die, like you go through everything with them. But
Speaker 1: I mean, Chuck can't keep going down the path he's
Speaker 1: going or he's going to end up in the hospital,
Speaker 1: so she can. And then we have Dan and Serena
Speaker 1: go to the loft to spy and rufus and Dan
Speaker 1: finds the list of adoption agencies with a map around
Speaker 1: Brooke Boston. Oh my god, Brooklyn, Boston, and he is
Speaker 1: a place in Boston's fine it is maybe that's where
Speaker 1: subconsciously I was going, Yeah, so you do that. See, girl,
Speaker 1: I know more about Boston than I thought. Um. So
Speaker 1: he goes to talk to Chuck about like what's going on,
Speaker 1: and Chuck basically tells him he's not the firstborn Humphrey.
Speaker 1: So Chuck warns Dan that it's over with him and
Speaker 1: Serena once once she finds out. And you know this,
Speaker 1: this is like Damns between a rock and a hard place,
Speaker 1: because I understand why he wants to tell Serena, because
Speaker 1: Serena is obviously going to be like, how could you
Speaker 1: not tell me that? But then like is it his
Speaker 1: place not? Yeah, no, totally totally. And this is like
Speaker 1: a lot to take on to hear that, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you haven't another sibling that's a little that's
Speaker 1: older than you, you know what I mean, Like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, And it's Serena's mother is the mother and
Speaker 1: my father is the father. So but I just I
Speaker 1: felt bad because I'm like, Dan is like if he
Speaker 1: says something, it's it's that puts Lily in a weird place,
Speaker 1: But really Lily and Rufus put their kids in a
Speaker 1: weird place, so in a strange place rather, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I feel kind of bad because I just feel
Speaker 1: like Dan, no, Serena's going to get upset, and really,
Speaker 1: what was he supposed to do? Like what would you do?
Speaker 1: Would you tell Serena and Dan shoes or no? I
Speaker 1: mean as a mother, I really feel like it would
Speaker 1: be my place to tell my kids something like that
Speaker 1: rather than someone else. And I would be very angry
Speaker 1: if someone decided to share that news before I was
Speaker 1: ready to. So yeah, I don't think that I would.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's also messy. Man, it's also messy crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's messy, and it's like, yeah, it's just like it
Speaker 1: was such a big news thing and so many people
Speaker 1: are are affected or like connected to it because of
Speaker 1: the dating, because of the parents, because of high school,
Speaker 1: because of it's just it's crazy. And then you have
Speaker 1: Nellie scamming Jenny, like and Jenny's threatens to spill all
Speaker 1: the Minion secrets if they don't let Nellie go. They
Speaker 1: agree to tell Jenny that she can be the queen.
Speaker 1: She wins, but Jenny doesn't want to be queen, which
Speaker 1: confuses Nellie, who has been playing So Nellie was I
Speaker 1: mean what Nellie was hoping if Jenny was queen, she'd
Speaker 1: move up in the ranks. When Jenny says she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be queen, Nellie runs back to Penelope. So
Speaker 1: I'm also like, Nellie, you need to chill girl, like
Speaker 1: what you're a mass Like what I know? She is
Speaker 1: like in the system, and it's like, no, dude, you
Speaker 1: can You're free, like you can you can move out,
Speaker 1: And she's just like no, yeah, you know, like Stockholm
Speaker 1: syndrome or something. Oh my god, right, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: By the way I love watching you and she's so cute.
Speaker 1: I loved and she was so sweet. I remember she
Speaker 1: was like younger than the rest of us, and she
Speaker 1: was just like very she was. She was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to be around, and we were constantly we
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, we were older and like we
Speaker 1: were her big sisters, kind of guiding her into this
Speaker 1: world of adulthood, although I'm sure we had no idea
Speaker 1: what we were doing. But it's funny. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: so sweet. But that was the other funny thing too,
Speaker 1: Like you would have never put everyone's personalities outside of
Speaker 1: the character with with the Minions group, but even really
Speaker 1: like even Laton, she couldn't like her and Blair not
Speaker 1: similar at all. They're very different, you know, yeah they're
Speaker 1: they're both smart but very smart. Yes, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: like we can pick something out of all that, but
Speaker 1: you would never with how me and you guys are
Speaker 1: and like following, like you guys were all very independent
Speaker 1: women who had like you guys were all so different
Speaker 1: as well that it was like quite interesting. But yes,
Speaker 1: nell A Yuki was shot. Arrian was so cute, so
Speaker 1: cute he was This next part was like very like
Speaker 1: made me feel all different like emotions for a minute,
Speaker 1: because it felt very like there was almost like a
Speaker 1: Joker moment. I don't know when when Chuck almost jumps.
Speaker 1: There was like something about like being on top of
Speaker 1: this building and just the way the music was and
Speaker 1: like his eyes were flushed out. There was like I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I felt like it was like in
Speaker 1: The Joker or Batman. Maybe it was just being so
Speaker 1: up high and like this character being so lost for
Speaker 1: a minute. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Yeah, And I think just how great
Speaker 1: Ed was in this scene and playing this all this
Speaker 1: stuff after his dad, like all the emotions and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out the business and where his fami, where
Speaker 1: he was going to fit with family, and you know
Speaker 1: the way his uncle was acting, and then Blair's being
Speaker 1: there and he's pushing everyone away. There was he just
Speaker 1: had so much going on. I like the way he
Speaker 1: was playing. It was like beautifully done. But there was
Speaker 1: a moment where I'm like, well, this scene is like
Speaker 1: out of intense movie, like this is wild and it
Speaker 1: was scary because I had all these feelings. But when
Speaker 1: I've never I mean to see your loved one being
Speaker 1: that emotional state and that messed up, and it is
Speaker 1: like literally dabbling with ending his life. Like you're you're like,
Speaker 1: that's scary, do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: And Blair and Jack go up there to get him,
Speaker 1: and Blair was in a beret, like, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna, if you're gonna make a quick run to
Speaker 1: try to catch him off falling off the top of
Speaker 1: the building, the beret is going to come off, So
Speaker 1: you're going to have to make a decision. Yes, girl,
Speaker 1: that's a big decision. That beret isn't gonna stay. I know.
Speaker 1: She looked very put together, instructured, which Blair always did
Speaker 1: no matter what, whether it's saving someone from jumping off
Speaker 1: a building or going to a tea party or wherever
Speaker 1: she was going. You are right, she was like it together. Um.
Speaker 1: Chuck says Bart didn't want him and that nobody cares,
Speaker 1: and Blair holds out a hand and he takes it
Speaker 1: and says he's sorry. But Blair says, do you do
Speaker 1: you understand I'll always be here. I don't want you
Speaker 1: going anywhere. I couldn't bear it. So whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do to yourself please don't do that to me.
Speaker 1: So that's all intense and crazy. But like then you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're like hoping that Blair gets through to him,
Speaker 1: right or for me, I'm watching, I'm hoping she gets
Speaker 1: through to him. But meanwhile I'm like, wait, did she
Speaker 1: sleep with Jack? Because I need to know, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like wait, like drop that and then
Speaker 1: move on to like someone trying to hurt themselves. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, messy, right, so messy everybody, everybody. I don't
Speaker 1: know what everybody needs to do. They need to find hobbies,
Speaker 1: hobbies and read a book, a puzzles, something to keep
Speaker 1: yall out of sleeping with everybody's family. And I don't
Speaker 1: even know. That's crazy. I couldn't. I didn't remember that
Speaker 1: at all. So when I read it or when I
Speaker 1: was watching, I'm like, wait, is that what they're like
Speaker 1: implying right now? But who knows? Sometimes things are dropped
Speaker 1: like that and then we never full circle come back
Speaker 1: to it, so we'll never really know. But what were
Speaker 1: you doing with Jack anyway? Like if you weren't sleeping together,
Speaker 1: what what was it that he can't know? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I don't know that'll like be lingering.
Speaker 1: We can leave it to our imaginations, Okay, so basically
Speaker 1: we Rufus meets Lily at the penthouse to tell her
Speaker 1: that Dan knows about the baby and soon Serena will
Speaker 1: know too. Lily explains her reasoning for giving up the baby,
Speaker 1: and Rufus says that you had twenty years to make
Speaker 1: peace with this. It's going to take me some time.
Speaker 1: And I think that's fair. Like when Rufus said that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's exactly right. And Lily and Rufus
Speaker 1: go away together after all to find their son. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This was again another big thing that
Speaker 1: dropped that I didn't even remember happening while we were
Speaker 1: filming the show. But now I feel like we have
Speaker 1: to meet the child now because now there's too many
Speaker 1: things one as a new as a mom, I'm like,
Speaker 1: we got to meet the well now he's going to
Speaker 1: be in his early twenties. Yeah, and then like what
Speaker 1: if Serena is like, oh, I like him better. I'm
Speaker 1: also just curious, like what their kid would look like.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, so we need to see this
Speaker 1: person and then then we can decide what Well I
Speaker 1: guess they'll decide what we watch it what happens, But
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's too many things to not
Speaker 1: meet the meet the sun, for what he looks like,
Speaker 1: for the relationships, for the parents, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait, And I really hope. I really think
Speaker 1: Vanessa ends up going on a date with him, which
Speaker 1: is even more weird, but whatever, um, and I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I just remember there's someone in that
Speaker 1: comes up where it was a real like what what
Speaker 1: are you doing? The so weird? Isn't it weird? Like
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl is just basically like like a super fancy
Speaker 1: like small town village show, except with like opulent things,
Speaker 1: you know, and like things just like, oh no, but
Speaker 1: this is a small town full of forty people. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's why everyone's dating everyone else. But let's just
Speaker 1: add some you know, like cool cocktails and great references
Speaker 1: and great clothes and call it gossip Girl, call it
Speaker 1: a dec Yeah it's and and then like just everything
Speaker 1: that they reconnect. One of the writers came on and
Speaker 1: she was saying sometimes how her brain would go so
Speaker 1: crazy because she's like the way we would have to
Speaker 1: link something and so many episodes later to come back
Speaker 1: or drop something here for season three and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's what's wild. And and again we were doing twenty
Speaker 1: two episodes. This wasn't ten episodes. And I'm not saying Christen,
Speaker 1: it makes it easier, but twenty two makes it a
Speaker 1: lot harder. That's a lot to keep track of, you know,
Speaker 1: for everybody, Like, Okay, I'm gonna do the Gossip Girl
Speaker 1: like closing quote and then I can't wait to chat
Speaker 1: a little bit more. But um okay, ah me. The
Speaker 1: years scarcely turned and already the secrets have begun. Where
Speaker 1: will it end this time? The new Year isn't about
Speaker 1: what happened, It's about what's to come. But the past
Speaker 1: is always with us, just waiting to mess with the present.
Speaker 1: And when it does, I'll be watching x O x
Speaker 1: O gossip Girl. The Gossip Girl quotes, especially because I've
Speaker 1: been rewatching all these they're so clever and great dreamer.
Speaker 1: It's like it's nuts. Yeah, yeah, somebody could have that
Speaker 1: like as a tattoo on their body and like everyone
Speaker 1: be like that's cool, that's dope, man. Yeah, And like
Speaker 1: that's that's really a quote from Gossip World, you know,
Speaker 1: but like it's it's really it's it's it's prophetic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is, and it gets you like yes, and
Speaker 1: just the way she did it, she was so great.
Speaker 1: Everyone's always like, how was it to work with Kristen.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I honestly met her like years after the show,
Speaker 1: Like she was never in New York. I've never even
Speaker 1: met her, so I'm like, yeah, I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but I mean I feel like, also she was she
Speaker 1: was a star when gossip Girl was on, but now
Speaker 1: she's like a megastar, so that's even cooler. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: got a lot going on. I was like taking a
Speaker 1: bath with Boie the other night when I was putting
Speaker 1: like the bubbles of it, and it was literally like
Speaker 1: all of her her hello Bellow line, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's just killing it in every angle here, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, Okay, so obviously I have two girls too,
Speaker 1: and like my daughters are obsessed with Anna Nelson and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like it holds no water at
Speaker 1: this point to be like, I also auditioned for Frozen.
Speaker 1: That's amazing it, but I was that the audition and
Speaker 1: like I feel like they're just like mom, shut up.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean that is just get out
Speaker 1: of here? Who cares? You know? Yeah, I think even
Speaker 1: how to call back? I'm sure you did. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Now would you ever go back to New York to
Speaker 1: do like Broadway? Are you not trying to go back
Speaker 1: to I mean I love theater. I only miss it,
Speaker 1: you know. It's so it's funny when we were talking
Speaker 1: about the whole eating in a scene, how like also,
Speaker 1: once you make that choice, you have to replicate it
Speaker 1: in every um shot. And I was just thinking about
Speaker 1: how theater allows you luxury of like being in the
Speaker 1: moment and like once you make a choice, you don't
Speaker 1: have to redo it again. And also just the the
Speaker 1: appreciation that you get from an audience. I'm not exactly
Speaker 1: talking about Kurt and Cole, but you can just tell
Speaker 1: when they're engaged. And so I really do miss that
Speaker 1: aspect of it. But yeah, I mean so far, the
Speaker 1: idea of like trying my daughter is about to start school,
Speaker 1: Like the idea of like trucking my daughter to New
Speaker 1: York and being like, we're going to change your routine
Speaker 1: for four months kind of sounds awful. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: I could be open to it. You know, I definitely
Speaker 1: miss New York. I'm sure you do too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I just went went last week for like
Speaker 1: a night for for something and it was awesome, but
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, well one I didn't bring boy with
Speaker 1: me for the first time, and I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: this is really hard. But I like to go back
Speaker 1: and visit. I don't know if I could live there.
Speaker 1: I could go do a job for a little bit
Speaker 1: and then meet on but I don't know if I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could move back there full time. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. I think if I were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if I like made a decision to be you know,
Speaker 1: to not have kids, uh, and you know in New
Speaker 1: York would be a fabulous place to stay. I definitely
Speaker 1: I love it, and um, I feel like there's such
Speaker 1: an energy there. But I don't even know if I
Speaker 1: have the capability to like give that energy anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it takes a lot. I don't even think I
Speaker 1: could do it anymore. I think I would just be
Speaker 1: in my crocs behind everybody, you know, being like okay, okay, book. Um.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but yeah, I definitely we had
Speaker 1: such a good time we did. It was such a
Speaker 1: fun ride and it was like we had no idea,
Speaker 1: you know, how lucky we were. And no. I mean
Speaker 1: like I essentially met my husband kind of because of
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl, which is crazy, you know, yeah, wait, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? Well, you know, I was like newly
Speaker 1: on the show and I met my my now husband,
Speaker 1: and he was like flirting with me, and like literally
Speaker 1: his like best pickup line that he could come come
Speaker 1: up with was like I have younger cousins who like
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl. And I was like, oh, that's so cute,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's funny because now they're like thirty something,
Speaker 1: your old women. But um, at the time, that was
Speaker 1: like a you know, it was it was a helpful thing,
Speaker 1: and like it's crazy, it's nuts. What season did you
Speaker 1: meet him? Because I feel like I always remember you
Speaker 1: with him. That's so funny. Yeah, I feel like it
Speaker 1: was like season two or something. It was like season two. Um,
Speaker 1: is there anything you want us to look out for
Speaker 1: or a charity that you like? Um, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: right now, I'm I've been writing, I'm creating, I'm pitching
Speaker 1: a show. Listen. Writing is like I wouldn't even wrap
Speaker 1: my head around that. That's incredible and amazing. But can
Speaker 1: we talk about once upon a time in Hollywood? Like
Speaker 1: that was? It was? It was really cool. I was
Speaker 1: I auditioned, I got the audition, and I at my baby.
Speaker 1: You know, he as a mom, Like I had a
Speaker 1: six week old baby, and um, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to this or no, I think she was
Speaker 1: even younger than that. But I was like still, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I went to the audition and I remember
Speaker 1: I had to like excuse myself because I might not
Speaker 1: to be gross, but like my boob started leaking. Um,
Speaker 1: Like I was not in a position to like be
Speaker 1: going out for auditions, but I was like, it's Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Um. So yeah, I was awesome to
Speaker 1: work with him, really cool. It's really funny. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are still like, who who were you in
Speaker 1: the movie, and I'm like, I was wearing a wig. No,
Speaker 1: I saw you right away and was like, yes, this
Speaker 1: is awesome. But what a cast a story. I know,
Speaker 1: I know. I'm really glad I got to have that experience. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: it's really funny just to say one one little nugget
Speaker 1: of memory that I have. It's really funny. It's like
Speaker 1: I am confident that I got cast and Gossip Girl
Speaker 1: because my hair was short and different than everyone else's
Speaker 1: because you know, on TV shows like it's always especially
Speaker 1: when there's like an sumble cast, like they're just like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just make sure everyone's hair looks different. You know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about hair on this show many times. It
Speaker 1: definitely went into I mean, the hair was a whole
Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. That was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I've just gotten into um. I had just broken
Speaker 1: up with my boyfriend and I remember I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to change, and I cut my own hair.
Speaker 1: And then like a couple of weeks later, I had
Speaker 1: the Gossip Girl audition and I was like, oh snap,
Speaker 1: like I'm the only one with short hair hair, And
Speaker 1: then I got part and I was like it was
Speaker 1: because of the hair. I had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: how great you are as an actor. Are beautiful you are,
Speaker 1: But you know, there's so many good actors in New York,
Speaker 1: in l A, there's so many talented people. I think
Speaker 1: they were just like, oh good, we need someone with
Speaker 1: short haired here we have But it also you guys
Speaker 1: all look so good together, like when you come on
Speaker 1: screen and you had like the long brown hair to
Speaker 1: your shot to blair with the head, you know, like
Speaker 1: and then Nicole's big curls, like it just worked like
Speaker 1: it was a very good Nelly Yuki Like it was
Speaker 1: just they literally had many looks going on. And I
Speaker 1: think that was also something now that has changed, like
Speaker 1: now when you watch a show, that's how a scene looks,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I think that's beautiful
Speaker 1: that they wanted that before. Um and you too with
Speaker 1: your like your partner rocking right, Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: don't like, Well, I'm I'm mixed. My mom's like family
Speaker 1: is Hungarian and my dad's like half black and check
Speaker 1: are you talking about Vanessa? Was Vanessa? I feel like
Speaker 1: Vanessa was mixed. They never really get into what it
Speaker 1: was like because you meet Vanessa's mom but not her dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I remember that whole the whole casting thing with me,
Speaker 1: like when they saw him when I went into Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers after meeting Josh and Stephanie at a barbecue, which
Speaker 1: I didn't know they had a show. I didn't know
Speaker 1: who they were. I knew they had worked with Adam
Speaker 1: but didn't know exactly like what when I went in.
Speaker 1: I said to my manager, well, I literally was at
Speaker 1: a barbecue with my hair straight, pulled in a ponytail,
Speaker 1: no makeup. She's like, whatever you look like at the barbecue.
Speaker 1: Go into Warner Brothers. And then they watched the tape
Speaker 1: and apparently they were like, she she looks too. I
Speaker 1: think the words were like Caucasian like the rest of
Speaker 1: the girls. And I still even think with my hair straight, me, Blake, Layton,
Speaker 1: and Taylor could not none of us look like So
Speaker 1: that's why in the first couple of seasons my hair
Speaker 1: is curly. I said to my manager, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm like a mixed girl with curly hair. Send pictures
Speaker 1: of my hair curly. And then they saw pictures in
Speaker 1: three days later. I was on a flight to New
Speaker 1: York to do That's incredible. Yeah, So you saying that,
Speaker 1: it's like it's just there's was so many things with
Speaker 1: hair on the show. Yeah. Absolutely. And I also remember
Speaker 1: in retrospect, like you know, it was really my first job,
Speaker 1: so I and like I said, I never knew if
Speaker 1: I was going to be coming back, so I was
Speaker 1: changing my hair color frequently because you know, I was
Speaker 1: twenty one two years old and it was fun. So
Speaker 1: I remember I'd be like, I'm a red head this weekend.
Speaker 1: Then I'd be a blonde, and you can actually see
Speaker 1: it in the show, like an episode I showed and
Speaker 1: they'd have a stand in for me, and like I'd
Speaker 1: be a redhead and there was a blonde and I'm like, sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was coming back. You're like, do
Speaker 1: you have a wig? Yes? Seriously, And they had to
Speaker 1: do that a couple of times. They would put like
Speaker 1: the stand in a different color wig. So in retrospect,
Speaker 1: like now as an actor and has as someone who's
Speaker 1: been doing this for a while, I know to be
Speaker 1: a little bit more courteous and be like, by the way,
Speaker 1: is it okay with you? But also like you know,
Speaker 1: we were recurring and I just never really knew, but
Speaker 1: it's so fun. So yeah, the hair was like a
Speaker 1: big Yeah, it's a big thing, and you know what
Speaker 1: to be fair, Like from where you're coming from, it's
Speaker 1: like if you're reoccurring and you love the show on
Speaker 1: the job and you're you know, want to come back
Speaker 1: and do that, which you you did, which is great.
Speaker 1: But like you can't be like sitting around at home
Speaker 1: thinking like, Okay, if there's another job that comes, I
Speaker 1: can't take it, and you guys don't use me for
Speaker 1: another because we just didn't know. Also, the other thing
Speaker 1: about TV, especially at that time, you we never knew
Speaker 1: if we were getting picked up for another season until
Speaker 1: closer to that time, so we didn't know, you know,
Speaker 1: from you coming on that you would be working for
Speaker 1: five seasons or four whatever it was. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just so happy that you were such a part of
Speaker 1: the show because when I'm watching it now, like it
Speaker 1: nothing could like everything they did really put the puzzles
Speaker 1: in place, and it's like whether it was your short
Speaker 1: red hair or the dynamic between you and the minions,
Speaker 1: and it was really rad and like awesome. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you've always been such a such a light. Like I
Speaker 1: remember meeting you and just being like this girl is
Speaker 1: different and cool and I like her, and I always
Speaker 1: was like it was you were just always such a
Speaker 1: pleasure to be around and such a joy. So I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to reconnect with you. I want to hug
Speaker 1: you in person. I know what an episode. This was
Speaker 1: an absolute packed rewatch, and I am so glad we
Speaker 1: had you hear dream of to get into all of it.
Speaker 1: You're such a delight to talk to and I hope
Speaker 1: I get to hug you in person very soon. And
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Speaker 1: music by Moxie and Lund, and the episode was mixed
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