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Speaker 1: This is Girls Talk Boys Talk, presented by Invisi Line,

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Speaker 1: trusted by over five hundred NFL players for their winning smiles,

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Speaker 1: and broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star.

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Speaker 1: Now your host, Nicole Hutchison.

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Speaker 3: What Up, Cowboys Nation?

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Speaker 4: Welcome in to Girls Talkboys Talk, presented by in Visits Line.

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Speaker 5: In the SWBC studio.

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Speaker 4: I'm Nicole Hutchison alongside Christy Scales, Aisha Morrison.

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Speaker 3: Ladies was popping good morning. We got there, we go.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, Nichole's already an espresso win this morning.

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Speaker 5: So I just heads up to everyone.

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Speaker 3: And I say, you gotta get in that coffee. I shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I should have intervened. I don't need coffee. But today

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Speaker 3: I just watch the sideline and here we are. This

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Speaker 3: is real.

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Speaker 4: Good bye below cream sugar. All right, anyways, the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: will know. Actually we're not staying with the Cowboys this morning.

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Speaker 4: We have some breaking news Seattle's Seahawks wide receiver Jackson

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Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba. Of course, the reigning NFL Offensive Player

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Speaker 4: of the Year reach An agreement four years, one hundred

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Speaker 4: and sixty eight point six million dollar contract exits.

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Speaker 5: That makes him the highest paid wide receiver in NFL history.

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Speaker 5: Ladies thoughts just north of forty two million a year.

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Speaker 6: My goodness, I think the only people happier than the

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Speaker 6: Smith and Jigba family is the is George Pickens.

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Speaker 3: And his agent.

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Speaker 6: So because really, what we care about on this podcast,

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Speaker 6: and what Cowboys Nation cares about is the domino effect,

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Speaker 6: the trickle down effect and how it's going to affect

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Speaker 6: the Cowboys and the price for premier wide receivers just skyrocketed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he earned it in a league where I do

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Speaker 3: think that player development is kind of getting a little

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Speaker 3: swept under rug. To see a guy come in to

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Speaker 3: see his draft profile, thought he was one of the

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Speaker 3: best receivers coming out the draft and for him to

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Speaker 3: show that, prove that, for that to translate, he's ironed it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited for him. I'm not excited for the NFC,

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Speaker 3: not at all. I'm not excited for the NFC, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: it does, you know, open up the conversation, opens up

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Speaker 3: the money. And this is like Nicole said before we

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Speaker 3: came online, this is what happens every year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And one more thing about the young man, local

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Speaker 6: product for people who aren't in the North Texas area.

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Speaker 6: Jackson is from Rockwall, so rock Wall's just cross the lake,

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Speaker 6: Just go ride across the lake. Ray Hubbard sitting in

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Speaker 6: the traffic on I thirty and rock Wall's right there.

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Speaker 6: So I think he was actually born in East Texas

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Speaker 6: and Acadochius, but start at Rockwall High School before going

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Speaker 6: to Ohio State, so you know, the heck.

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Speaker 5: You couldn't avoid his name.

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Speaker 6: He was a stud in high school of course, and

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Speaker 6: then one of the top recruits in the country and

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Speaker 6: lands at Ohio State. But happy for that young man

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Speaker 6: and for the rock Wall community and what you know,

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Speaker 6: nice reflection on that program as well.

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Speaker 5: So congratulations to him. But but wow, does.

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Speaker 6: Do we think it affects the Cowboys moving forward in

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Speaker 6: terms of like is it going to get a deal

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Speaker 6: done faster or slower?

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Speaker 5: Because the number went up.

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Speaker 3: It shouldn't affect ahead, got it shouldnt affect it because

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Speaker 3: I should have been doing that anyway, because as soon

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Speaker 3: as they get that done, the more money ignopen up.

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Speaker 3: They need to do something this later on.

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Speaker 4: Well, you said exactly what I was talking about area

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Speaker 4: just because we've talked about this every year. Why not

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Speaker 4: just get the deal done, you know, instead of waiting

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Speaker 4: until the market skyrockets each year. But I mean, you

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Speaker 4: look at the production from Jackson of course, ranked in

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Speaker 4: tackles forced, and the list goes on. But George Pickens

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Speaker 4: not far behind him, that was actually ranked second per PFF.

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Speaker 3: Eighth per PFF this year.

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Speaker 4: Of course, Pickens caught ninety three passes for over fourteen

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Speaker 4: to Christy's point, I mean Christie's question of like, does

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Speaker 4: this change the fact that the Cowboys one, should they

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Speaker 3: Or does this.

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Speaker 4: Still think that maybe they'll probably delay it a little

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Speaker 6: Or make it more app that could be traded because

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Speaker 6: you know, the how are they going to fit all

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Speaker 3: Right? So can't they just push it down the line

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Speaker 3: like everybody else.

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Speaker 5: Do sure they can, and then we'll all complain that

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Speaker 3: Comes, well, that's their job to be able to manage it.

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Speaker 5: And again this is let's just say be creative with it.

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Speaker 3: They Seattle's doing it the way it's supposed to be done.

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Speaker 3: In a sense is that you got a rook rookie contract,

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Speaker 3: extend them or he's earned it. Let's get it done early.

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Speaker 3: It opens up your finances to do other things. I

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Speaker 3: just feel like I understand that there's so many it's

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Speaker 3: complex and things like that, but with respect, that's what

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Speaker 3: the hell y'all get paid to do. Y'all get paid

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Speaker 3: to manipulate the cap in a way that is suitable

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Speaker 3: to team build. And this gentleman, we have heard numerous times,

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Speaker 3: I understand that you have to do a lot on

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Speaker 3: the defensive side, but you gotta figure out how to

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Speaker 3: walk and show gum at the same time, Like we

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Speaker 3: can't keep just being like, oh well this, oh well,

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Speaker 3: they need to they have to pay other people. A

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Speaker 3: lot of good teams have to pay other people. It

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Speaker 3: is how you handle these things. And unfortunately this is

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Speaker 3: a problem that they have, is that they wait until

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Speaker 3: at how much more they have to pay these people,

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Speaker 3: as opposed to if they were more proactive, then allocating

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Speaker 3: the funds how Christy was speaking about would be a

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Speaker 3: little bit I think would be a little bit easier

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Speaker 3: than what they end up doing, which is playing ketchup

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Speaker 3: and trying to kind of adjust to what the market

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you could say the same thing about not getting

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Speaker 6: Aubrey done, you know, because Kicker keeps going.

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Speaker 5: Up as well.

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Speaker 6: But I would just say, I would just say one

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Speaker 6: more thing, allow me to play Devil's advocate. Okay, go

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Speaker 6: in terms of JSN and good for him, forty two.

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Speaker 5: Point one five million average.

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Speaker 6: Great, Not that that's forty two million against the cap

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Speaker 5: That's not how it works. But I think that.

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Speaker 6: It's not in apples to apples thing pickings to JSN.

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Speaker 6: But they're not paying a quarterback, no, well part of it,

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Speaker 6: I just mean in terms of that's actually a great point.

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Speaker 6: But also JSN is the unquestioned number one receiver on

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Speaker 5: Well, and you're you're not paying and.

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Speaker 6: They don't have another play, they don't have another receiver

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Speaker 6: on their roster that's making over thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they took a chance.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, so they also controlled him already

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Speaker 6: in terms of they had put the option on him, right, yes,

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Speaker 6: so you know, in terms of controlling the money and

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Speaker 6: that with Pickens by placing a tag on him, which

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Speaker 6: players don't like, right because now he has to sign

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Speaker 6: it or if he plays this year without negotiating an extension,

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Speaker 6: then it would be for what the And it wasn't

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Speaker 6: even twenty eight It went down right twenty seven seven?

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Speaker 6: So yeah, so it's not in apples to apples in

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Speaker 5: Now, are they both great? Are they both explosive players?

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Speaker 5: But he's not.

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Speaker 6: You could argue that he's not even then, that Pickens

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Speaker 6: is not even the number one receiver on the Cowboys?

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Speaker 3: Is he? Who is it? Huh? What'd you say? No,

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Speaker 3: I'm saying I'm asking you, hey, ladies, who is the

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Speaker 3: wh who? Like? Obviously to start, it's CD. Obviously it's

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Speaker 3: CD by default, but schematically.

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Speaker 5: Well, productions in terms of production.

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Speaker 3: And things like that, but schematically oh yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's picking twis the difference the X that having an

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Speaker 3: say that CD LAMB can't play X. It's just are

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Speaker 3: you threatening at the X consistently and how you do it?

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Speaker 3: That's fair that X opened up the whole offense. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying like, I'm not trying to pick two together.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that is a conversation that has had

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Speaker 3: in like what who makes the engine go and how

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Speaker 3: don't know they said they got two number ones. That

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And if I just say one more thing in

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Speaker 6: terms of how this affects the JSN agreement for a

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Speaker 6: on a contract extension.

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Speaker 5: So just to be technical, we go. But one thing

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Speaker 6: Past few weeks I know I've been saying is franchise

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Speaker 6: tag is not good unless you bet on yourself, right

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Speaker 6: in terms of if you do a one year thing

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Speaker 6: know the team could tag you again. You know, you

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Speaker 6: can be tagged in consecutive years. But oh my gosh,

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Speaker 6: could cash in even more if he were to hit

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Speaker 6: the open market. So it could be incentive from Hickens

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Speaker 6: and his representations perspective of Okay, you think we were

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Speaker 6: going to get thirty something, Now we'll wait until next

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Speaker 6: year and don't tag us. Yeah, and then yeah, there's

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Speaker 6: a percentage that has to go up even more. If

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Speaker 6: you tag them a second year, then there's a you

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Speaker 5: I mean, to be fair, it's a risk for both parties.

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Speaker 4: Sure, like the Cowboys are risking, you know, possibly the

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Speaker 4: market going up for him going out this year and

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Speaker 4: exceeding expectations again and you know other teams are willing

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Speaker 4: to pay that.

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Speaker 5: Price next year, or you know, of course.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately injury happens. But we don't want to pray, you know,

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Speaker 4: wish that upon fisted. But it's it's the game, like

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Speaker 4: that's what happens. So you just never know what happens.

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Speaker 6: I just I just had to laugh because one of

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Speaker 6: the monk drafts for was it NFL dot Com had

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Speaker 6: the Carnell Tate slipping uh all the way to to

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Speaker 6: twelve and with the Cowboys take a min It's like,

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Speaker 6: I don't know that he's gonna gonna fall that far?

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Speaker 3: Do you, Like, I will say, are.

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Speaker 4: There any receivers that you feel could pop okay, could

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Speaker 4: possibly fit the Cowboys that the Cowboys could take early?

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Speaker 5: Okay, well day one or day two.

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Speaker 3: I mean a couple of them that will day one

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Speaker 6: Well, everyone screams BPA, best player available, best player available

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Speaker 5: I well, and save thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 5: Ultimately, I just feel like that's so much.

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Speaker 4: You have.

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Speaker 5: It's just I.

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Speaker 5: Think And Flinoy is still developing.

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Speaker 5: So much more to go really, I mean potentially.

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Speaker 5: We haven't seen much from we haven't seen nothing from Mingo.

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Speaker 5: You can't keep doing.

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Speaker 4: Hi, y'all doing, ladies?

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Speaker 5: Still good?

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Speaker 3: All right? Well the Cowboys, uh, quite a few have.

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Speaker 4: Popped up on the NFL's performance based pay and it

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Speaker 3: Who you got?

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Speaker 3: to the cold. Dallas got him an undrafted free agency

443
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. Him just being an HBCU

444
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 3: grad and and working his way through the NFL and

445
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: still just continuing to work, and him being back to

446
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: the place that brought him in first, I'm excited to

447
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 3: see I think he is a scheme fit for what

448
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 3: this defense wants to do. I'm excited to see what

449
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 3: he does as they try to piece together this defensive line.

450
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 3: If this is going so even what he does in preseason,

451
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: how much he's grown as a player since Dallas.

452
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 6: Brob He only had three defensive snaps for Dallas, but

453
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 6: he got eleven thousand dollars bonus. So yeah, would I'd

454
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 6: go out there for three snaps straight to the side,

455
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 6: and I think he got the person that holds the tee,

456
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 6: holds the ball on the tee while they kick off

457
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 6: and run straight off, you know, because it's too windy.

458
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 5: You know, I could do that as sideline reporter.

459
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 6: I'm down there already, I'm standing next to the kicker anyway,

460
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 6: it's just just.

461
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 5: Run out and make sure it does sick. Why not.

462
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 12: Hey.

463
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 6: One thing about HBCU this is this is really cool

464
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 6: what the league is doing. Later this week, they're having

465
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 6: a basically a pro day. It's going to take place

466
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 6: at Washington Commanders at their facility, but they're going to

467
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 6: have the weekend and I think next Monday is the

468
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 6: on field portion. But it's for HBCU players and basically

469
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 6: a pro day, so some of their best Yeah awesome, yeah,

470
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 6: uh huh. And obviously I say it's taking place at

471
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 6: the Commander's facility. Obviously all thirty two teams will be there,

472
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 6: but it's it's a way to spotlight those players, which

473
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 6: is a great thing.

474
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 4: I love that Steve which will be there because he

475
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 4: typically handles or covers a lot of the HBCU guys

476
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 4: in like the combine and things like that. So yeah,

477
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 4: it will be something to look out for.

478
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 3: My guy was Ready Stewart as well.

479
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 4: To Christie's point, he had to take on a lot

480
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 4: more responsibilities than he probably expected, just because Bland was

481
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 4: battling the foot out for a lot quite some time.

482
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 4: Also with him having to play outside at times a

483
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 4: well as well. Gave Ready Stewart opportunity to play inside,

484
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 4: but he was also a willing tackler, obviously effective in

485
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 4: the run game. Came back to Christy's point being disruptive

486
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: in the backfield and just to play it all.

487
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 5: Seventeen games started.

488
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 4: Five sixty three tackles, five TFLs, three pass breakups, a

489
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 4: force fumble and that was just in four hundred ninety

490
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 4: six defensive snaps. So shout out to Reddy Stewart, a

491
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 4: guy who they of course was a Eberflus guy, came

492
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 4: from Chicago.

493
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a whole different other story. But yeah,

494
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,239
Speaker 3: he fit in, He fit in well, and he's and

495
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: he's going to be a good I think whoever they

496
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 3: bring in for that Nickel spot, which I think will

497
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: probably end up being a rook he will be a

498
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: fantastic backup to that. And then you know, so it's

499
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: you got to have depth in this in this spot,

500
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 3: and I think that.

501
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Stewart, he ended up with two hundred and eighty

502
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 6: four defensive snaps, a little over one thousand snaps a year,

503
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 6: basically just kind of round and rounding up between one

504
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 6: thousand and eleven hundred generally in a season.

505
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 5: This doesn't include the special teams.

506
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 6: Just on defense, he was on the field for a

507
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 6: quarter of the plays, just over twenty five percent.

508
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 4: So who was the biggest surprise to you on this

509
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 4: if there was any.

510
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 6: Span Ford did very well and so much of that

511
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 6: less It wasn't just his standout work on special teams,

512
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 6: but you know, just getting so much more playing time.

513
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 5: He actually ended up with more than Schoonmaker.

514
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 6: Of course, Schoonmaker makes more money because he was a

515
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 6: second round pick, but span Ford over six hundred thousand dollars,

516
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 6: So six hundred and sixteen thousand dollars. I don't feel

517
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 6: sorry for Luke Schoonmaker, he made an extra five hundred

518
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 6: and thirty thousand dollars. But it just shows how much

519
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 6: span Ford I would say, improved on his blocking in

520
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 6: terms of being out there on offense that you know,

521
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 6: not a liability out there as a blocker. So in

522
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 6: addition to becoming a stud on special teams, just getting

523
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 6: so much more work in the offense.

524
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 5: What did lu give y'all enough this year? No? Okay, wow,

525
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 5: it's not. No, it's a second round pick.

526
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 6: You just have to have non production from your second pick.

527
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, I like Luke, you know, just

528
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 6: one of those solid core guys. But yeah, just times.

529
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 6: You know, he gave up playing time to span four.

530
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 6: Know he's just an undrafted guy.

531
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: There's a reason why Seattle was able to do what

532
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: they want to do in the run game and in

533
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: the passing game, and it's because they can go twelve,

534
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: they can go twenty one, they can go twenty two.

535
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 3: They got tight ends that can block and receive, and

536
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: I think that that's gonna be an important part of

537
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: what Dallas does moving forward. It's figuring out how to

538
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 3: be successful in twelve personnel and some of those personnel

539
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: packages that allow your tight ends to be out there.

540
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: It's very limiting to this offense not getting enough from

541
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 3: him in that regard, and I do, I know he

542
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: does some of the dirty work and the blocking and

543
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: stuff like that, but it's just it's not enough. It

544
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: hasn't been enough, unfortunately. It's not enough unfortunately, and I

545
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 3: don't know where he's gonna fit moving forward if he

546
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: doesn't take a pretty step this year. I think Brevin

547
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 3: span four was pushing the envelope before he got injured

548
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: in training camp. I know you ladies remember the days

549
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: he was having high point in the ball getting in

550
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: the open field. He's such a big body.

551
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 5: Wait for the red zones and if.

552
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 3: He keeps yes and if he keeps developing. Because coming

553
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: in from Minnesota he was known for the blocking ability

554
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: and stuff, I think he refined it to your point,

555
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: he got a lot stronger refined it this past year.

556
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: But that receiving element. Louis did see that grow throughout

557
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: this year a little bit in spots if he can

558
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 3: take a step. I wholeheartedly think that that tight end

559
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: two spot is up for grabs. It's been up for grabs. Yep,

560
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 3: it's been up for grabs. It's just no one has

561
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: been able to take it or so. I'm just ready

562
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: to see what Dallas can do with multiple tight ends

563
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: in the draft too. They get a tight end.

564
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's what I was.

565
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody said in the chat.

566
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 5: They also brought back Princeton fans as well.

567
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it'll be one.

568
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 6: Of those guys that you'll be elevated from the practice

569
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 6: squad up and down. Hey, maybe make a push for

570
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 6: the fifty three.

571
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 5: We'll see.

572
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 6: But just to put a fine point on the schoonmaker

573
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 6: and span Ford. I'm only talking offense here and not

574
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 6: special teams. But Schoonmaker was on the field for thirty

575
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 6: three percent of offensive snaps and span Ford for just

576
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 6: over twenty five percent.

577
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's some good. There are some as you

578
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: get deeper into this class, this draft class, I mean,

579
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 3: I'm it's an offensive wise, this draft class is not

580
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: as fanci shmanchri as some of the past, like some

581
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 3: of these skills spots and stuff. But the tight end

582
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: position as you get into like like later into it,

583
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: and I obviously you got the top guys, but as

584
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: you get later into the draft, like, there's some good

585
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: tight ends in this draft that I think Dallas could

586
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: definitely take advantage of getting one. I wouldn't be surprised

587
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 3: if they try to acquire one. So you're saying, like

588
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: day two, Day three, Yeah, I don't think they touched

589
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: tight end early, but I do know that it they

590
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: gotta feel summerre. It's one of those things too. It's

591
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: like offensive line where you continue to you know you

592
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: want to have key guys, but you continue because they're

593
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: so they're so important as an extension of your offensive line.

594
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 4: I love how you brought the offensive line up, You're

595
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: like in my brain like here else on this list

596
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 4: was Cooper B B. I want to talk a little

597
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: bit about it. We ain't talked much about.

598
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 5: BB's B beasters beasters. All right, cool?

599
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 4: What did y'all see from Cooper BB technically this year?

600
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 4: Do you feel like he took that step? Do you

601
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: feel like he struggled? Where do y'all kind of standing

602
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: with Cooper BB?

603
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: Christy?

604
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 5: Oh no, I mean over no, Sorry, I was trying

605
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 5: to look up his apoloeges ahead. No.

606
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 9: No.

607
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 6: His performance space pay last year was really high as well,

608
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 6: but it is a mid round pick. Your base salary

609
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 6: isn't very high, so your performance space pay for a

610
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 6: guy who's a center and playing all the games is

611
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 6: gonna you know, his number is going.

612
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 5: To be up there.

613
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 6: So Cooper ended up with the second most in performance

614
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 6: space pay behind Shamar James. Chamar had seven hundred and

615
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 6: sixty four thousand and Cooper had seven hundred and twenty

616
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 6: eight thousand, So good for Cooper and Shamar.

617
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think that I think that.

618
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 6: Having his old college coach, you know, was good, right,

619
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 6: having Connor Riley come in, and yeah, I think he's

620
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 6: a solid guy and that you're set there at center.

621
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're set there. I think he's still

622
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: This was his year three. Yes, this would be.

623
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 5: A third, This is coming out, carry coming up on.

624
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 5: This is gonna be year three. It'll be three.

625
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so his three Okay, I think And obviously we

626
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: are used to see him as a center, but Cooper

627
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: beeB was drafted as a guard. He's a guard and

628
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: he was a dominant guard, and making the transition to

629
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: center is it's not easy, you know, it's not an

630
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: easy thing. You see the communication this this offense is complex,

631
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: you know. I think he's bonded with Dak Prescott. But

632
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: just as far as becoming a center, I think he

633
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: is still getting his legs under him. Had that bad

634
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: an ankle injury in the middle of this season. Wasn't

635
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: in the middle, it was like early. It was like

636
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: middle early. I know, oh that it definitely did play

637
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: a difference in how he took on contact. That initial

638
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: contact felt like he was a little bit more powerful

639
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: prior to that. So hopefully having his time off to

640
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: really rehab and get himself together, you know, and be

641
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: and be healthy. I think that interior offensive line is

642
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: gonna move off people off the ball. But I will

643
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: say I was little I wanted. I thought I was

644
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: gonna see more of a jump from him from year

645
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: one to year two. But I also understand that there

646
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: was a new scheme for him, Q new fit for

647
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: him too, new calls, new checks for him, and that's

648
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: just a part of it. So this year, I think

649
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: he's really gonna make a jump. I think he's gonna

650
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: put it together. Not to say he didn't play well,

651
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: He's he played fine, But this guy is a guy

652
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: I watched this tape. This is a guy that can dominate,

653
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: and I'm ready to.

654
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 5: See him dominating at guard.

655
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: And I'm ready to see if he can bring that

656
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: to center, which is different. It is, it's different. I'm

657
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: sure it's different for him feeling wise like he was

658
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: having trouble snapping the ball early, you know, like he's

659
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: still you know, but I think he's clean, he's professional,

660
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: He's gonna be fine. But I'm ready to see him

661
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Speaker 3: really mal people the way that I saw him do

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm just glad you mentioned the off season because

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Speaker 6: if you think about him coming in as a rookie

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Speaker 6: and then this past year, like you say, it's not

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Speaker 6: just learning, you know.

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Speaker 5: New scheme, new coach and uh.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, you got a rookie lined up

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Speaker 6: next to you now with Tyler Booker, who you know

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Speaker 6: is going to play so and you were that guy

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Speaker 6: last year playing out a position as a rookie. So

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Speaker 6: the continuity I think going into this next season, the

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Speaker 6: continuity not just that it'll be booker second season, that

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Speaker 6: hopefully Guidon is healthy enough that you get through uh

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Speaker 6: an off season in the camp where you're actually working together, right.

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Speaker 5: And then and then.

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Speaker 6: You know, having Riley back and continuity on the offensive

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Speaker 4: I know that's we kind of be beating the dead

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Speaker 5: Talking about it, but we're waiting, wait, waiting, come on.

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Speaker 4: Addressed pertinent cares, he did mention that the Cowboys are

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Speaker 4: possibly looking at a linebacker position, so just talk about

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Speaker 4: the need there. What specifically do you feel like it's

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Speaker 4: missing from that linebacker room that the Cowboys linebacker room

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Speaker 4: currently doesn't have.

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Speaker 5: They dies number one.

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Speaker 3: Somebody grown, please, somebody would would they've run or low developed?

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Speaker 5: Oh come on now.

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Speaker 3: The mic spot. I'm not getting funny. I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: be funny. I want to grown man that's played the

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Speaker 3: position before.

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Speaker 6: So the free agent available, you know, like the the

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Speaker 6: Bobby Wagner's of the world.

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Speaker 3: Right, sure, but I don't want to put them in

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Speaker 3: a position only like and that's something that Christian Parker said,

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Speaker 3: you know, they were asking him. I believe it's senior

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Speaker 3: ball about you know, the the brain work part of

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Speaker 3: things and how intelligent he wants people to be in

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Speaker 3: the processing and stuff. But he also said, I don't

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Speaker 3: get it twisted. We want Jimmy's and jokes. We need

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Speaker 3: guys that can play because, I mean, the athleticism can

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Speaker 3: make up for some of the mismanagement and things like

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Speaker 3: that sometimes or you know, mistakes. So I just want

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Speaker 3: a mic somebody that knows how to rock that thing

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Speaker 3: that he knows how to a communicator, which is what

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Speaker 3: they're looking for. And I think I'm irritated because they're

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Speaker 3: looking they're still looking. But I'm happy because they're still

782
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Speaker 3: looking and they don't feel like maybe they don't feel

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Speaker 3: like they have gotten it yet or the deal that

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00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: they want to do is there yet. Maybe there's something else.

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Speaker 3: But we are hearing that they're at least looking, and

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Speaker 3: we're getting information about the type of gentleman that they

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Speaker 3: might be looking at, and that kind of gives you

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Speaker 3: some insight on what their vision is. They know they

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Speaker 3: need a mic, they know they need a mic. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they know they know what they need, And I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we love a self aware Yeah, at least y'all self

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Speaker 3: aware for once. Sometimes they're just be acting like it

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Speaker 3: don't exist. So I'm glad that they're self aware that

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Speaker 3: they need a MIC, and it looks like that's what

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Speaker 3: they're pursuing.

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Speaker 4: But you'all think that there's a veteran guy that is

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Speaker 4: affordable though, because when you yeah.

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Speaker 6: At this point, yeah, because the top earners are signed

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Speaker 6: with the you know, you're got to have signs with

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Speaker 6: the Raiders, you know, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to How much would you pay what

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00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: the rookie deals though? Like, if you've drafted a what

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00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: is the range about Christy for a rookie linebacker to

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Speaker 3: get paid for it depends how much you know it.

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Speaker 6: What you're worried about is what it's against the cap? Right,

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Speaker 6: So what like three and a half. If it's you know,

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Speaker 6: day one, let me look and I'll get you the

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Speaker 6: numbers on that. But the one thing, no, I will

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Speaker 6: less because the number is.

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Speaker 5: Number is. Oh, now I can see the number.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 5: But while I'm looking at that, I just want to say.

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Speaker 6: One one thing about a veteran part because when you're

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Speaker 6: talking about being a green dot, being a communicator, knowing things,

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Speaker 6: what's the other thing that Christian Parker said in that

816
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Speaker 6: press conferences Sometimes with rookie you have to let him

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Speaker 6: touch the stove, right and learn basically learn from their

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Speaker 6: mistakes harder when it's that crucial position where you're communicating

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Speaker 6: and you're the yeah, when you're kind of the central guy, right, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Oh that's a good point.

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Speaker 5: So it's not that that's that's why I like the

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Speaker 5: the very Now, if you get Sonny Styles in here.

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Speaker 6: You touch the stove all, see, and there that's the

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Speaker 6: stove all you want.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that's just their constituency plan. I guess

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering like if they aren't able to acquire a guy,

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Speaker 3: if they if there are some gentlemen, which I do

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Speaker 3: think styles, I think a recee will be gone. I

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Speaker 3: feel like there's certain gentlemen that will be gone. But

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Speaker 3: there are a few guys that might be there that

831
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Speaker 3: do have the mental framing and the ability to do it.

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Speaker 3: Like Christy said, it's a lot to put on them,

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Speaker 3: but they are capable. They are rookies that are capable.

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Speaker 3: I know like it personally, but there are do what

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Speaker 3: you got to do?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 4: Who else, aside from Sunny Styles in that linebacker class

838
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Speaker 4: do you feel could possibly be that frontal, low developed

839
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Speaker 4: type guy like for the middle not for the mic linebacker.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean C. J. Allen is a guy

841
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: that people really like as well, but also too, I think,

842
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Speaker 3: and he's been marked.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I think Anthony. I think Anthony Hill Junior from

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: Texas is a guy that people are a little bit

846
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: more interested in just because he's a guy converted to linebacker,

847
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 3: has played some play DV back in the day, obviously,

848
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: is very smart as well, crazy athlete all over the field.

849
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Speaker 3: Can he do it? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: We'll see gall day.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a couple guys at the top that

852
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: I think could do it, but it's still just a

853
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: lot to ask regardless.

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Speaker 6: And in terms of what kind of numbers you're you're

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Speaker 6: looking at, let's just go to last year, so you

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Speaker 6: know it's going to increase a little bit year to year.

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Speaker 6: But Booker went the same spot where the Cowboys are

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Speaker 6: drafting at number twelve overall this year, and so his

859
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 6: cap number last year was a tick over four million,

860
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Speaker 6: four point one million, and overall his contract was four years,

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Speaker 6: twenty two and a half, so just over five million,

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Speaker 6: you know average, So it'll be more like five and

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Speaker 6: a half or five point seven five this year in

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Speaker 6: that range.

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Speaker 3: There's another thing too about this Mike spot too, is

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Speaker 3: if Dallas does get a veteran, it can't be a

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Speaker 3: one year I think you're doing a disservice. And maybe

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Speaker 3: that's why from number four there's more that I think

869
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Speaker 3: Dallas knows that they're going to have to I mean,

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Speaker 3: the agencies are they have to invest and they need Personally,

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Speaker 3: I do think this is one of those positions, as

872
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: Christy talked about using the cat being a real thing,

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Speaker 3: you having to be considered of that, this still has

874
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 3: to be a priority to me because it's like you're

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00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: building a new defense. That position is too important to

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00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: this specific defense for you to just be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: let's just go for like that. I just feel like

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00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: it's too important so that whoever it is, I hope

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Speaker 3: is here for a two year at the very least,

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Speaker 3: and not a one year with that revolving door again

881
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: for these young players.

882
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you talk about that inside linebacker room, Samars,

883
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: Jamar being overshown, Chamar James, justin Baron so justin obviously

884
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 4: Harley an experience, but Chamar James played some snaps last year.

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00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: What did Jamar James give you?

886
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Speaker 4: That kind of gives you a little confidence just about

887
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: him taking those next steps into this.

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Speaker 6: Well, the experience early, Yeah, getting he got thrown in

889
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 6: the deep end last year.

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00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: He did at the beginning of the year.

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00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, very willing, but also too I think we got

892
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: to see I mean, in some of those blitzing situations.

893
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: There was some good things, but I think the biggest

894
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: thing is that you can see him in spots. There

895
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: was a lot of confusion on the defense. Let me

896
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: make sure I say that, but there was when he

897
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: gets it, he gets it, and I think that was

898
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 3: encouraging to me. It's like as you see him reading

899
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: the field, when he understands it, he's gonna go. He

900
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: will go get and tackle like he I mean, it's

901
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: not pretty all the time, like they're not. He's too

902
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: deep a lot of times because they're doing whatever they're doing.

903
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: But he's a willing tackler.

904
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Speaker 6: So it's just the fixes that the Cowboys were you know,

905
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Speaker 6: or thought that they had last year on the inside.

906
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 6: Sanborn rightn't didn't work out. Yes, bring in Logan Wilson

907
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 6: didn't work out. He actually announced his retirement last week.

908
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 6: So congratulations to him on an outstanding career. Wasn't in

909
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 6: Dallas what he wanted it to be the way it

910
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 6: was early in his career with Cincinnati, but still good.

911
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 5: Good for him.

912
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 6: But Demonk Clark was on the you know, we were

913
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: talking this time last year, we were talking about dmon

914
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 6: Clark maybe getting a chance to show out Texans.

915
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: Well he was with the Texans so to go.

916
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Speaker 6: And you had a guy you know, like Buddy Johnson,

917
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 6: you know, was getting the work in preseason and stuff

918
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 6: like that. So so yeah, it just didn't pan out, yes, right,

919
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Speaker 6: and and Murray ends up playing out a position right

920
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 6: because he wasn't signed to be the middle linebacker.

921
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: You feel a lot better about this linebacker corps. If

922
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: you bring in a rookie and bring in a veteran,

923
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: you can go from there. I think that obviously we've

924
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 3: seen what it looks like when there's not enough depth

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Speaker 3: at that position. And I will feel much better with

926
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Speaker 3: other Marian Overshown, Mary Leafeld, Justin Barron, and a Shamar

927
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Speaker 3: James if there is a veteran added to this and

928
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Speaker 3: then you know, a gentleman from the draft.

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Speaker 6: And that's what they tried last year and it just

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00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 6: didn't That's why they brought you know, Sanborn now, a

931
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 6: guy like Sanborn in particular, it's because Eberflus system, you know,

932
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Speaker 6: from being from Chicago and things like that and knowing things.

933
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Speaker 6: But and Murray making the you know, bringing him from Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Right, and with.

935
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Speaker 3: The line sorry, go ahead, go ahead, go But the

936
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Speaker 3: linebacker position though, with Dallas is going to be playing

937
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Speaker 3: I mean, Nichols probably gonna be your base.

938
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.

939
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Speaker 3: So some of the depth that I think that I'm

940
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: trying to give myself some pause as well because some

941
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: of the depth. Do you want depth at that linebacker spot.

942
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: But safety is important too, and I think that's why

943
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: we saw some input into that, some money put into that,

944
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: because we're there are going to be times we're not

945
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Speaker 3: going to see, you know, three linebackers on the field,

946
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Speaker 3: like it's gonna change and they're going to be interchangeable.

947
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Speaker 3: So I think that that's a part of it that

948
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Speaker 3: I want to remember to.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, in a safety like Thompson versatile and bring him up.

950
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

951
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Speaker 6: We're so many different safeties do linebacker things, so kind

952
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 6: of like what jay Ron kurse is matter. So the

953
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 6: depth and rotation we might see linebacker, we are going

954
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Speaker 6: to see linebackers taking off the field for safeties or

955
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 6: corners or whatever the case may be. So we have

956
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Speaker 6: to adjust to that too and maybe keep that in

957
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 6: mind because I was I was just thinking like, well,

958
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 6: you need multiple.

959
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Speaker 3: No, maybe they feel like they have. If they're putting

960
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: depth in safety and in linebacker, then they're they'll be Okay,

961
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Speaker 3: does that make sense? That's scheme? How many more weeks

962
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: to be up to the draft, like five and it's

963
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Speaker 3: at the end of April.

964
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Speaker 5: Five weeks.

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Speaker 6: We'll see league meetings start at the end of this week.

966
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Speaker 6: That can find out about rule proposals from the Competition Committee.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, we'll have all of that next week up.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be fun, all right, coming, we gotta rap

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Speaker 3: up the show.

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