1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Mark Kenyan here, coming to you from the field. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Got a quick update for you. This is gonna be 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: a tony episode of the podcast, and I'm sure he's 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: gonna tell you that I'm out I don't like a 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus concert or something, but it's not the case. 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm outside doing cool stuff. But I want to quickly 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: give you an update on two things. Number One, there 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: is a sale that I think is worth note and 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: coming up on September through September. If you're listening now 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: for a number of first Light items and a couple 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: of cool things on the Mediator Store, including our Timber 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Ninja climbing sticks. He's the climbing sticks that I love, 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: the number one stick that I use been using for 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: the last two or three seasons. We've even got them 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: now in the Spector camel pattern. If you buy three 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: sticks from the Mediator Store, you get the fourth one off, 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: and that's a pretty good amount of money because He's 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: honestly aren't cheap sticks, but they are top top not 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: so if you want to check that out, if you 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: want to check out the saddle I'm using, or any 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: of my first Like gear picks for mid season I've 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: got my whole kit listed out on my gear picks page. 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: That is store dot the meat eater dot com slash mark. 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: So store dot the meat eater dot com slash mark. 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna see my gear recommendations for first light stuff 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: in October. You're gonna see the timber Ninju sticks I'm mentioning, 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: and a few other things too, So check all that out. 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: That's update number one. Update number two, and thank you 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: for bearing with me here. Update number two is that 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: my brand new white tail show, Deer Country has launched. 31 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: The first episode is live now on the meat Eater 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. It's all about that urban deer hunt I 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: went on in Washington, d C. And everything I learned 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: about urban deer hunting from Taylor Chamberlain. Hopefully you heard 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: that podcast episode back in I don't know November December 36 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: last year discussing this. Now you can finally watch it, 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: so please head on over to the meat Eater YouTube 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: channel check out episode one. I'm proud of the story 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: we told some of the tough lessons I learned along 40 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: the way, and I hope you enjoy it as well. 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: So that is it for me. Enjoy this episode with Tony, 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm out. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: of the modern white tail hunter and now your host 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm your guest host Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking 46 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: to Mike Stroff, who owns Southern Outdoor Experience and is 47 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: the host of Savage Outdoors TV. All right, folks, welcome 48 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which has brought to 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: you by First Light. You have probably noticed that they 50 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: is not the voice of Mark Kenyon. Mark and Spencer 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: are off filming a project together which you probably think 52 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: is about hunting, but you're wrong. According to Mark's text, 53 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: it's a historical thriller that is part time travel sci 54 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: fi and part Kung Fu movie. So I guess there's 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts there, but I'm sure it'll 56 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: be a riveting film when it's all said and done. 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: Until then, I'll just keep this train moving down the 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: tracks and keep this rabbits with Antler's Month Alive and Well. Now, 59 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: last week I kicked it off with Andy May, but 60 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: this week I'm taking a sharp turn into new territory 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: with Mike Stroff. Mike owns and operates several white tail 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: hunting outfits where he and his guides have to put 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: a wide variety of clients on deer in Texas and 64 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: Illinois and Iowa and South Dakota. He discusses the challenges 65 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: of having new hunters in each week and now he 66 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: has to try to preserve deer movement while dealing with 67 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: clients of various physical abilities, you know, hunting patients, and 68 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: just overall white tail hunting experience. Even if you never 69 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: ever ever plan on going on an outfitted hunt, this 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: episode has a lot to offer you because a few 71 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: people have the kind of experience that Straf does with 72 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: white tailed deer in so many different places. I hope 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: you enjoy it because I really had a lot of 74 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: fun talking with him. Mike Straw, thanks for coming on 75 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: the podcast, buddy, Hey, thanks for having me. You you 76 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: look a little tired. Yeah. We're up here in Illinois, 77 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: hanging tree stands, checking stands, replacing straps, treman mowing food 78 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: plots and trails, and gotta Yeah. This is our last 79 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: trip up here to be able to get everything done 80 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: before we start our fall craziness, because I just don't 81 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: have any more time in the schedule to get up here. 82 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: So we're kind of here util we're done. Just just 83 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: for a frame of reference, how many tree stands are 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: you guys setting up there on that farm. We've got 85 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: about a hundred and sixty. I guess that we've got 86 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: set um. You know, it's a big farm. It's the 87 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: largest privately owned continuous track in state Illinois. So it's 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: it's big place, and you know it's it's small with lots, 89 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: so you you hunt the pitch points and all these 90 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: little travel corridors, so you gotta have multiple stands and 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: a lot of them because of the way the wind, 92 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, so you can hunt all the winds. You know, 93 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: if you've got a deer it's in a certain area, 94 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: you gotta get in there with them. But you know, 95 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: we may not have the luxury, especially guiding or having 96 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: guests or clients come where. You know, you can't wait 97 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: till next week when the wind gets right. You gotta 98 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: be able to get in there. So we we have 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of duplication, I guess, but it's necessary, yeah, 100 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: and that you know, that's something you know we used 101 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: to hear about a lot. Is you know, this is 102 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: probably like in the nineties early two thousands where you'd 103 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: hear about you know, if you have a really good 104 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: spot set up, you know, three stands in there for 105 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: different winds, so no matter what, you can hunt it. 106 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: And that kind of went away with the mobile movement 107 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: and you know, climbing stands and saddles and stuff. But 108 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: you're in a unique position. And this is why I 109 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: wanted to get you on. I've known you a long time. 110 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: I hunted with you down in Texas, I hunted your 111 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: place out in South Dakota, and I was thinking, you know, 112 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: like who better to kind of dumb down Big Bucks 113 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: than somebody who has the kind of operations that you run. 114 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: You know, only are you a passionate deer hunter yourself, 115 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: but you have a lot of clients on your your 116 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: three different businesses, and who are coming in and they 117 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: vary so wildly, and you have to just be like, okay, 118 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: this week, my challenge is, you know, to twelve year 119 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: olds with rifles and a six year old with a bow, 120 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: and somebody who's killed a hundred deer and somebody who's 121 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: killed two, and you've got to think through all this stuff. 122 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: And so that farm you're talking about down in Illinois there. 123 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: You know, that's that is a kind of a unique 124 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: situation you have. But you're saying that you're still putting 125 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: up a hundred and sixty tree stands just on that 126 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: place to make sure that you guys have options. Yeah, 127 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: it's it's for different options and for different skill sets. 128 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: Like you were talking about. You know, some some locations 129 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even entertain with a certain client. Not because 130 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: they necessarily can't make the shot. That's not what I'm 131 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: talking about. It's more like physically they may not be 132 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: able to get in that lock on, or hey, they 133 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: can't cross that creek because they can't get up the 134 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: steep bank, or or this guy's super fit, he can 135 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: get in there. But you know, like you said, or 136 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: I've got a kid, or whatever it may be. Because 137 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: we get all kinds of different clients here in Illinois. Typically, 138 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: my hunters are pretty serious bow hunters. The guys that 139 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: want to come to hunt this farm is pretty you know, 140 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: it's a pretty prestigious place to hunt, and the guys 141 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: that call about hunting here are typically pretty die hard 142 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: bow hunters. So it's a little bit unique compared to 143 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: what I'm doing in Texas or even what we might 144 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: be doing in Iowa or South Dakota at times. Um, 145 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: this hunter is a little bit more hardcore, I guess 146 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: on average, but we still get or but did you 147 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: get that guy that may come with his three buddies 148 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: that are super hardcore and he's not. And you've got 149 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: that fourth guy that's got of the variable or the 150 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: third guy in the group whatever, he's got the odd 151 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: man out, and you still gotta be able to accommodate 152 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: and try your best to get them in the best 153 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: situation where they have a chance to kill a deer. Um. 154 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: You know. And then we're real picking out what we 155 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: shoot here, So that takes a whole another element into it. 156 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: You know, you've gotta be able to hunt these areas 157 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: based on what's in there. And you we're running a 158 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: a hundred cameras on the place. UM. I don't get 159 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: a lot of sales service in the bottoms here, so 160 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: I still have to use a lot of SD card cameras, um, 161 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, and so I've got to have a lot 162 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: of cameras out and I don't like going in and 163 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: let you know what I'm in there working or taking 164 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: somebody in and out hunting. You know, I've got a 165 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: reason to be there. I'll check them, but you know, 166 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm not just rolling around beating the woods down checking cameras, 167 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, necessarily either. So, but we're getting all those 168 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: out right now too. So my trucks full of cameras, 169 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: pul saws, stretch strats, tree stands. We're kind of multi 170 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: tasking right now. Yeah, and you're just looking at that, 171 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, and for reference, we're recording this in August, 172 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: even though this is gonna drop in September. But you're 173 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: just like, we gotta get this done. We gotta get 174 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: out of there and start collecting some of that data 175 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: and just let everything kind of season and settle down 176 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I like to try 177 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: to be done by the end of August. That's you know, 178 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: by September one is kind of my goal on the 179 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: place that we have here in Illinois and our place 180 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: and Iowa is to be done and out of the 181 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: woods and just let the deer do what they want 182 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: to do. You know, you start hunting first of all 183 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: October if you if you want to, we don't bring 184 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: clients in then. But you know, if you were to 185 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: hunt earlier. You know, I like to just let the 186 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: deer have forty five fifty days. Nobody really screwed with 187 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: a mother and be checking a camera here and there. 188 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: And I don't live here either, so I'm doing an absolutee. 189 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: So just with my schedule with our TV shows, other 190 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: outfitting locations and everything, We've got to get ready. Um, 191 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: this is kind of my last who are all up here, 192 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: so I gotta get it done. Yeah, And when you 193 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: give that example of you know, that Illinois situation is 194 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: kind of cool because you have people who are you know, 195 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to have somebody who doesn't know what 196 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: they're doing probably show up there or inquire about it, 197 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: but you still might deal with that. How do you 198 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: assess that? Because I know I've been there, you know, 199 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: down at your Texas place when like eight or ten 200 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: people show up and you can see the guys kind 201 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: of watching everybody shoot. You can kind of you can 202 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: sort of see this feeling out process that they're really 203 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're tactful about, but you know they're 204 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: looking at that going okay. You can kind of see 205 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: them making up their mind about people at the onset 206 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: and then every you know, every morning. Every evening when 207 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: you get picked up, there's like an assessment of like 208 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: what did you see, what happened? Did you shoot? You know, 209 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: and and it's it's like a kind of a moving 210 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: target all the time, and it changes by the week. 211 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: It's got to be a huge challenge. Oh yeah, for sure. Well, 212 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: one guy's getting into camp here. What we like to 213 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: do is put everybody, not to put them on the spot, 214 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: but I want to check bows and make sure everybody's 215 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: good and also to see who could do what, uh, 216 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, to make sure everybody's gears set up right, 217 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: because you know, like I say, you might have a 218 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: group of three or four guys and one guy's just 219 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: kind of tagging along because they want to think how 220 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: buddies and the other guys are hardcore or somebody has 221 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: something wrong with their set up. Uh, you know, so 222 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: we make everybody shoot. We all got to go down. 223 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: We've got a little three D range in the backyard here. 224 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: We uh we kind of walk through and watch everybody's 225 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: slaying eight or ten arrows, you know, and make sure 226 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: everything's dialed in. And also while you're doing that, we're 227 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: talking and hey, we're you know, do you hunt a lot. 228 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Where do you hunt, where you from? You know, and 229 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: you just kind of feel the guys out. And I've 230 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: also done that in our booking process, trying to screen 231 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: guys a little bit, not to turn people away, but 232 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: to understand their abilities and what they're looking to try 233 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: to accomplish when they come to So I've done a 234 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: lot of that on the front end. You know a 235 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: lot of times I may be expecting someone because they've 236 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: been real honest, Hey, I'm coming with my buddy. I'm 237 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: not a big bow hunter, you know that kind of deal. 238 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: And you can also we've got tree stands set back 239 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: here on the three D range where we'll make them 240 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: get up in the standard shoot. So we've got lifelines 241 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: and everything all set up just like it's the exact 242 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: set up I'm gonna put them in. It's either my 243 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: ladders or my lock ons, and they get up there. 244 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: And because the guy may come from South Carolina and 245 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: the hunts and climbers all day long and in a 246 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: pine tree and never been in a lock on with 247 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: climbing sticks, you know, because they don't do that necessarily 248 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: a lot, uh, and just to get them comfortable and 249 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: also watch their comfort levels see what they can and 250 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: can't do, and a guy may I've had guys climb 251 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: up when they're practicing and go, I don't like that. 252 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: I'd prefer to be in a ladder or you know, 253 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: and then and you're in the least I know now 254 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: instead of putting in there at five o'clock in the 255 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: morning in the dark, and you know, at daylight, you're like, 256 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: I don't like this. I want to get out and 257 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: ruin a good spot. Because I've had a lot of 258 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: guys do that too. Uh. You know, so we try 259 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: to rule all that out on the front end and 260 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: then you know, get them set up and you know, 261 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: make our plan for the week after that. Well, how 262 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: do you deal with that? Because that's one thing I've 263 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: always thought is it is so hard about being an 264 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: outfitter guy to running an operation like you do, where 265 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, you tell people like, listen, we'll drop you off. 266 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: You're going in here, don't get out till we come back, 267 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: and people always get out or people you know, like 268 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: they shoot, they want to get down and look for 269 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: their arrow or look for their deer, and you're just 270 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: dealing with people who maybe aren't following the rules very well. Like, 271 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: what do you do about it? Well, what I try 272 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: to do, and again there's always exceptions to every rule, 273 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: but what I try to do on the front is 274 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: we'll have a meeting or a brief on what our 275 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: rules are, what our plans are, why we're gonna hunt, 276 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: the way we're gonna hunt, get a feel, you know, 277 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: if you know, most of the time, I try to 278 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: bring all our guys in during the you know, the 279 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: core time, you know, basically Halloween to Thanksgiving, and so 280 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, the more time you spend at the lodge, 281 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: less time you have a chance you have a killing 282 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: a deer. A lot of these guys again in Illinois 283 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: especially a really hard core about and that that I 284 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: get them sit all day. So you know, it's like, 285 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: if I drop you in, I don't need you downlogging around. 286 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm pretty you where I would hunt if it was 287 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: me hunting. And most guys would get that. You you, 288 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: some won't, but you try to sell that to them 289 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: really and understand, I'm not wasting your time because it's 290 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: wasted my time. So I mean I'm putting you in 291 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: the best location I think for if we're doing a 292 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: morning sit or an evening sit or an all day 293 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: sit to be successful. And so that's what they're asking 294 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: me to do by booking a hunt with me. They 295 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: gotta trust me, you know. And if they won't do that, 296 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: I kind of get on them at the briefings like, 297 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: if you can't do that, I don't want to take 298 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: you into these core areas because you're gonna mess them up. 299 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: And we've spent all year dealing with this. I came 300 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: in here in August and worked my tail off and 301 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: got everything setting ready to go and left them alone 302 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: for a month and a half so that no one's 303 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: been in there. When I drop you in your you're 304 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: literally the first person that's put their button at seat. 305 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: There's not many places like that, you know, and it's like, 306 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: please don't mess it up. Um, And most of the 307 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: guys get it and um. You know. Again that's part 308 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: of the rule out thing. You listen to guys talk 309 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: and you know what their experience levels are. And if 310 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: you get that guy that once you pick up up 311 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: once twice kind of know, well they might. You know, 312 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: we have lots of good areas that are field edge 313 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: or close to road type set ups where they're not 314 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: going to walk through our best block of timber or 315 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: something like that. If somebody's getting we always just say 316 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: if they got ants in their pants or happy feet 317 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: radio because if they got happy feet, you know they 318 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: need to be would need to be careful or we 319 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: put them and you just gotta uh, you're still trying 320 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: to get them in the best location. But based on 321 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: the way they hunt, you know, we gotta assess that 322 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: and do it. Do they you know, when people are 323 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: coming in, you know, I mean, I mean you're paying 324 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: you're paying good money for a hunt, and you know 325 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: they have certain expectations. Do people do you think like 326 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: your clients generally understand that concept of like, listen, you're 327 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: here this week. This is the first time anybody sat 328 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: there and or anybody's been in here in sixty days 329 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: other than maybe a camera check. Like we're trying to 330 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: preserve these spots. Like do people generally get that or 331 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: it probably varies, like crazy, it varies. I mean, it 332 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: definitely varies. Um, these guys that are pretty serious bow hunters, 333 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: they get it, you know. But but but yeah, there's 334 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: a there's a small percentage that really don't grasp what 335 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: like how you know, how we're doing, you know. And 336 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm strict about how we go in and out, you know, 337 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: so we're not blowing the woods all the triving and 338 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: here we have such small timber blocks, so we're you know, 339 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: if you blow them out, they may run across the field. 340 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: It's a half mile three quarters of a mile to 341 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: the next timber. He ain't coming back tonight, and like 342 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: it's it's done, you know, And so I try to 343 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: really harp on that so they understand it. And there 344 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: is a method to my madness. Why do you make 345 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: me walk across that wide open field for half a 346 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: mile when you could have just drove me up, you know, 347 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: on the back side of the timber, because that's where 348 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: they've been and they're gonna know we're in there, and 349 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, there's always a reason for and I try 350 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: to explain that on the front end, and when we're 351 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: booking the Hunts, I explained to him this is just 352 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: a unique scenario. This isn't an out there is running 353 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: two hundred guys a year on a place that should 354 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: run fifty. This is a place you could run fifty guys, 355 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: but I'm running twenty five. You know. It's just it's 356 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: where our big thing is low pressure UM and it 357 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: ups their odds for success, and if they can grasp 358 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: that concept, they have a really good chance killing a 359 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: good deer. The other thing I really harp on, though, 360 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: and this is something that you and I've talked about 361 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: this before, probably years ago, and you came down Texas. 362 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: Hunting has changed a lot, especially on the outfitting side, 363 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: where guys are booking these trips and there you know 364 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: they're expecting a miracle. Sometimes that's not realistic. UM hunts hunting, 365 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: and it's still hard no matter where you do it. 366 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: It's just there's different places and different I always say 367 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: it's a just different deer or it's a different world 368 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: of deer hunting in certain spots, but you know, they 369 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: gotta understand it's still Midwest bow running and at the 370 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: end of the day, everybody is not going to kill 371 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: a deer. And if you're the guy that has to 372 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: kill a deer, Midwest bow hunt is probably not the 373 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: thing for you, to be honest, because it's just the 374 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: odds of success are not super high. I mean, if 375 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: you look at Illinois, o Iowa and look at outfit 376 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: or average kill rates not super high, and that's not 377 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: because anybody's necessarily do anything wrong. It's just bow hunting 378 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: in the Midwest. Um. And then you factor on the 379 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: pressure and all the other things that that affect that. 380 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: But you know, it's really telling them we sell a 381 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: great experience. And that's what I try to really get 382 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: across the Texas here I or wherever we're doing it. Um, 383 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: we're selling the experience. We're not at Burger King. I'm 384 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: order and tin pointer and I wanted to score one, 385 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, But but today's world has changed a lot, 386 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of guys, and I try to 387 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: screen that all the best I can when we're booking 388 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: and going through the process of talking to the guys, 389 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: and I want to set realistic expectations. I mean, we 390 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: shoot giant bucks on this farm every year, but everybody 391 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: won't kill that top shelf deer. It's it's not realistic. 392 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like, uh, you know, you're good friend Jason. 393 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: When he came out here a couple of years ago, 394 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: Jas killed a really respectable buck. It wasn't the biggest 395 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: buck on the Griggsby. He was super fired up, but 396 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: you know that's an average dear. And then you've got 397 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: those top shelf deer, and that's why you come to 398 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: a place like because you want to have a chance 399 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: at him. But that's really what it is is a chance, 400 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: not a guarantee. Well that's you know. I haven't done 401 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: a ton of outfitted hunts, but that has always sort 402 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: of been the messages, like we're gonna give you an opportunity, 403 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: or we're gonna work real hard to get you an 404 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: opportunity at a good deer. Then it's up to you. 405 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: And that's you know. I can't remember which hunt it 406 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: was that we did down in Texas with you, but 407 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: it was it was the year that I hit that 408 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: buck the first morning and then ended up shooting him 409 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: two days later, and so, you know, and that stand 410 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: that you guys had me in there was like it 411 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: was awesome, Like I was covered and I was covered 412 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: in really great deer for that area. I shot that buck, 413 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: made a bad shot, and then got lucky on him 414 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: two days later. But I remember one of the other 415 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: guys going in there after I had killed that buck 416 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: and talking to him and I didn't know him really well, 417 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna say his name, but he was like, 418 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, and you can't really kill a deer. You 419 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: don't have that good of shooting lanes out of there, 420 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: and you can't move on that stand very well. And 421 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, like, dude, I was, I was freaking 422 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: covered in bucks, and that I didn't like. His complaints 423 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: didn't even register to me. And so in my head 424 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, this guy kind of sucks, 425 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: but really what he just didn't have the experience, and 426 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: he was one was those wide open, like crazy big 427 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: shooting lanes where I basically cut the whole day tree 428 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: down where you're looking at it like, man, I got 429 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: great cover. I can draw my boat here, I can 430 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: draw my boat here. These are my two spots. I'm 431 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: gonna shoot him when they come by. You know, again, 432 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: it's experienced as all. You know, that stand You can 433 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: sit there and do the two step up there and 434 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: they wouldn't see you the way it was said. But 435 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: if he if I gave him the pull saw and 436 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: let him drive it out, you'd probably never see a 437 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: deer there again. You know, it's just different, you know, 438 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: different world of white TiO. Yeah, And and that's why 439 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on because a lot of 440 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: this stuff, I mean, people are probably gonna be listening 441 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: to this going well, I'm never going on a guided 442 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: hunt or you know this, this isn't like that's not 443 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: my interest, but it's the it's the damage we do 444 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: to ourselves. So you your job is a weird one 445 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: in the white tail world because you have to try 446 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: to minimize the damage a bunch of people are gonna 447 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: do to your best spots. So you've got to think 448 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: everything through the setups, the entrance, the exit, the pressure 449 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: of the wind, who's going in, who's coming out, what 450 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: kind of person is hunting there? And we don't think 451 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: about that a lot of times. You know, if you've 452 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: got your your grandma's farm, you've always been hunting, you 453 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: don't think about necessarily maybe the pressure you're putting on, 454 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: or you know, the way you're walking in or the 455 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: way you're thinking about stuff Like your example right there, 456 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: you know you think about you've got you know, that's 457 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: a Texas hunt. So you have a feeder there and 458 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: you're in a live oak, and it's a very typical 459 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: set up, but it was like set up in a 460 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: way where you weren't gonna get busted. I remember having 461 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: bucks bed below me, and I remember having sixty degrees 462 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: of deer, especially the first morning when I shot that buck. 463 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: And to me, I'm like, this is perfect because I'm 464 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: not going to get busted here. And so yeah, like 465 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: when when I had to when I had that buck 466 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: come in two days after I shot him and I 467 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: knew it was him, and I was the first one 468 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: dropped off so I could look at my binoculars in 469 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: the moonlight. I'm like, there's that deer because he had 470 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: a hit a couple of broken ties. It took like 471 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: two hours for it to get light and for that 472 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: deer to get into it shooting lane and I'm watching 473 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: him the whole freaking time, just waiting for that redemption shot. 474 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: But like you said, if if that tree is just 475 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: trimmed differently, that whole thing might not happen. Or you know, 476 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: the six bucks you see the first morning, there might 477 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: be two and they might skirt you. And I think, 478 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: I think we don't think about that stuff quite as 479 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: much as we should. And you have to for your job. 480 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And and and again like you that you 481 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: brought up a good point. A lot of guys don't 482 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: realize what they're doing that might damage a spot where 483 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: educate deer in a spot, uh, you know, and so 484 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: I kind of have to evaluate that with the hunter 485 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: and then how the setups are. And you know what 486 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: we've done in the last few years, we've been converting 487 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: some of our more go to food plot areas, you know, 488 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: where we might have a really you know, nice clover 489 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: turnip patch and a spot that we just know as 490 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: it kills tree, you know, treat. I've been putting some 491 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: tower blinds in there to eliminate the movement and the 492 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: scent and that that that fidgety guy that I could 493 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: put him in the tree and it just doesn't matter what. 494 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: He just can't sit still enough and doesn't even realize 495 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: the dear no he's there. Uh you know, if I 496 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: put him in that closed in box blind or tower 497 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: blind set up, I can eliminate a lot of that. 498 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: And so I've been doing some of that. And you know, 499 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: every year I had three or four to the farm, 500 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, and I've been just accumulating something. So when 501 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 1: I get that guy who's a you know, he might 502 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: be the guy that's out here in the hundred yards 503 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: just danging in the yard, and damn he can shoot, 504 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: but he can't sits still. You know, and you gotta 505 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: get him in a situation, uh, you know where they 506 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: can handle that. So I've even been doing some of 507 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: that to eliminate some of those factors. Um. You know, 508 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: it's there's people from all walks of life that come 509 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: to it. So you know, you just gotta kind of 510 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: have a scenario for everybody, or attempt to anyway. So 511 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: do you when you talk about that, you know, when 512 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: you take a tower blind, you know, you throw up 513 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: that redneck or whatever you're throwing up versus a hang 514 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: on or a ladder stand. Do you see, uh, you know, 515 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: just like a lessoned impact from people, because I've seen 516 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, I know people who have them and they 517 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: still burn out their spots. It's probably because they only 518 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: have like one food plot and that's where they hunt 519 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: every single time. But you you being able to control 520 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: who's going in and when you see that, that's like 521 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 1: there's a lessoned impact with those. Yeah, I I do, 522 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: especially on the deer, especially the food plots where it 523 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: fills up with deer. So you know, it doesn't matter 524 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: how good or how still or how perfect the wind is, 525 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: you get fifty sixty deer come in a food plot 526 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: and even and it's somebody's gonna get you at some 527 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: point because they're gonna walk on the wrong side of 528 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: the tree and smell you or see you or whatever. 529 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: Or you're looking at the easy deer and one over 530 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: here to the right and just happened to glance up 531 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: when you turned your head and you got busted. It's 532 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: just hard. I have noticed that there's a lot less 533 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: of that education going on hunting out of those and 534 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I try to put them where I can drive to them. 535 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: So if I'm dropping a client literally, you know, because 536 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: it's a farm, there's tractors and trucks all the time 537 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: buzzing around here. So if I can drive right up 538 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: play like you know, well, I just act like the 539 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: farmer and get the heck out of there and literally 540 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: drop them off at the ladder and they get in 541 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: and by the time the truck leaves the door shut 542 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: and they're in, they're sealed up. It does. It has 543 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: made a pretty big difference, and especially with certain hunters. Yeah, 544 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: I could see that help. And how do you how 545 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: do you manage? You know, so you mentioned just just 546 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: on that property, which is enormous, You're gonna do like 547 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: a hundred and sixties setups. You've got the Iowa stuff, 548 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: you got your Texas stuff. Is it is it partially 549 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: just a matter of having as much land as possible 550 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: to make sure that you can just keep spreading people 551 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: out and preserving spots and resting spots. I'm big on 552 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: trying to hunt this fresh. You know, if you if 553 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: you come on the fourth or fifth hunt of the season, 554 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: you don't want to hunt behind five guys, you know, 555 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: or you know, unless the spots red hot, and you know, 556 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: we want to be able to have fresh area to 557 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: put them in. So you know, having more ground is 558 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: good so that I can rotate in and out. But again, 559 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: it's just we just gotta be smart about how we hunt. 560 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: When we hunt. If something just goes goes all to 561 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: hell and then just get blown out bad, you know, 562 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: we try to let it be in calmed down, don't 563 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: just keep pounding on it. Um. And you know, because 564 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: these places are big, we we do have the luxury 565 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: of doing that. Um. You know, a lot of a 566 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: lot of locations or places you may be hunting, you 567 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: don't have that. I mean I have small places too, 568 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, they just you know, I have the luxury. 569 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: But here we do, and so we definitely, you know, 570 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: and again the number of hunters we take is critical 571 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: because if I take too many guys at some point, 572 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: I gotta go everywhere, you know, and if I always can. 573 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: You know, there's certain areas one week I made to 574 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: say we're not even hunting that part of the farm 575 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: for this week, and next week that'll be our starting 576 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: point for the next group. That way, I just know 577 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: it's fresh, and you know, I'll that's where I'll be 578 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: running cameras while these guys are hunting, because I've got 579 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: the data from the week before where they're hunting, and 580 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: just kind of stay ahead of it. Yeah, do you 581 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: I know people are really sensitive to that when they 582 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: know when they show up in camp they want to 583 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: be someplace fresh, or you know, when it's day three, 584 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: they don't want to get put somewhere where somebody else 585 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: has been. But there's so much that goes into those decisions. 586 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: You know. I kind of look at it like, you know, 587 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: I hunt a lot of public land, right and you 588 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: know some states they have like fields on public land 589 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: they lease out. It looks very much like private land, 590 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: but it's open to public has everything there, but on 591 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: those properties you know, if you have a field, a 592 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: soybean field on public land somewhere, it's gonna get sad, 593 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: like people are gonna be on there. And I always 594 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: think about that. It's like you walk in, you're gonna 595 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: be able to point out, Okay, there's gonna be a 596 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: stand in that corner, there's gonna be a stand on 597 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 1: this little two track connecting them, like you can just 598 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: call your shots. And if you think about it that way, 599 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: you're kind of you probably are like the fifth person 600 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: to sit there if you go sit there, and it's 601 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: not that much different from an outfit a hunt where 602 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: you're like, this probably isn't gonna work for me, especially 603 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: on a big buck. Yeah, oh I could. It could 604 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: even be a little even a little tougher on the 605 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: public in because you really don't know who's been in there, 606 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: you know. Else here, it could be a weekend worried 607 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: that you know, four or five of those guys only 608 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: hunt one weekend a year and they went in there 609 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: and plowed around and did their thing and left, you know, 610 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: so uh, you know, it just depends on the type 611 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: of guys, and you don't ever know who you're fallowing. 612 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: And that's so different with outfit and hunt, but in 613 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: Illinois that my guys are typically a little more serious 614 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: and and I really you know, it might even be 615 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: annoying to some of the guides and the hunters. I 616 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: micro manage the hell out of it, but you know, 617 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: it's because I really want to have control of how 618 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: that's all going down. And then I like to think 619 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: it we're are a little formula works. You know. Well 620 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: we we take twenty five, you know, last year we 621 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: took twenty seven guys and killed twenty one bucks. You know, 622 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: it's pretty strong, you know, and especially when talking about 623 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: Midwest bow hun Um. Yeah, that's that's about as good 624 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: as it's gonna get. Anybody that tells you they're running addercent, 625 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: they're lying to you, um, you know, or they took 626 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: one guy, not unless they have a real big fence 627 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: around in their property, right right right, and even silly, 628 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: you probably can't pull that. Yeah, that's true when you 629 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: think about like your Texas operation. You know, people go 630 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: to Texas and they're like, I'm gonna have an easy hunt. 631 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt a feeder, simple stuff. But even then 632 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: you can see how people can just burn a spot 633 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: and so even it might you know, it might be 634 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: a feeder on a water tank, and so you have 635 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: to like humongous straws there. Right, you got the corn 636 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: morning evening and then you've got water, and you can 637 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: still see people, just the wrong person burn out a 638 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: spot like that. And so when you talk about yeah, 639 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: public land, like we always think like, yeah, that's that's 640 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: harder than this, But in reality, accumulative pressure is just 641 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: cumulative pressure. Like you know, we we look at the 642 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: bucks like they're so tough to kill, and it's like, man, 643 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: not until we make them that way. And that's how 644 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: you do it. A white tailed deer. I hey, guys, 645 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: come down Texas. Tell me, dear man, you're dear dumb. 646 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: This is crazy, how dumb these deer are. It's the 647 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: same deer you hunt at home. He has no pressure, 648 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: you know. Or it's been man. You know, even even 649 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: in Illinois, I'll have guys go, man, this farm. He's 650 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: dear hardly. I mean we're sitting in this standards. I 651 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have great cover. Nothing looked up at me. 652 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: They don't get arrows, don't get slung at him every 653 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: five minutes. You know, it's just not that deer has 654 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: not been over educated its entire life on how to 655 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: stay alive. It's a survival instinct. I mean, that's dear, 656 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: just see that so much more often, and it's part 657 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: of it's like my dear, my, the grigsby. Our biggest worry, 658 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: that dear's that Buck's biggest worries probably Kyo grabbing him 659 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: and you know, eating him, you know, especially from birth 660 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: to you know, three or four years old. Well, you know, 661 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: it's no different on the public land. You know that 662 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: their biggest fear is probably or issue as hunters, you know, 663 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: and they're looking at you know, it's a different way 664 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: of survival is old. They're not any smarter, they just 665 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: got educated. Well that's that's a message we're trying to 666 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: get across with this because we just do not look 667 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: at ourselves like predators, Like we don't you know where 668 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: I you know, I live in Minnesota, right we have 669 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: we have the highest population of wolves in the lower 670 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: forty eight. Only Alaska has us beat. And when you 671 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: listen to people who hunt, like the upper third of 672 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: the state, it's just constant complaining about wolves. And I 673 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: get it, like they when wolves swing through it sucks. 674 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: But we look at them like they're or mountain lions 675 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: to like they're just these voracious killers. They kill a 676 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: deer a week and they're so good at it, and 677 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: they hunt, you know, like you get them winnered up 678 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: there just toasts or whatever. But we never look at 679 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: ourselves and go, you know, like for the average rifle 680 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: hunter in Minnesota, it's like, okay, if a deer walks 681 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: in some kind of opening within like two d and 682 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: fifty yards of you, you can kill it. Like that's 683 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: a huge advantage, right, Like you have binoculars, you have 684 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff at your advantage, trail cameras out 685 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: there scouting for you, and when you walk into the woods, 686 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: they are terrified of you, like bar none, like, no 687 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: question about it. And we don't think about it that way. 688 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: So we just go like, oh I walk in, I 689 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: check my camera, No big deal, right Like I walk 690 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: in and I sit this stand, No big deal. Like 691 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't think of yourselves the same way 692 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: you would think of a couple of wolves roll them 693 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: through there. But it's probably the same effect on those deer. 694 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah for sure. Yeah. I mean again, you are 695 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: the alpha predator and if you're in a place that 696 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm not in Minnesota. But if you're in a place 697 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: where those predators don't exist, you are the wolf. I 698 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: mean sense, I mean, we're sure are chasing them, were 699 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: bumping on the heck of a lot more than wolves 700 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: or where coyotes would be sure. Yeah, And I think 701 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 1: it just it's a really good thought exercise to just 702 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: consider yourself that way and go, you know, like, I 703 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: don't care what you think about yourself. The deer don't 704 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: like you at all. They don't want you in there. 705 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: They don't like you, they don't like smelling that you 706 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: were in there. They sure as hell don't like seeing 707 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: you in a tree. They don't like it when you 708 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: try to kill them, like you when you When you 709 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: start thinking about it that way, it's sort of just 710 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: kind of like centralizes this thought around, Like you know, 711 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: outfitted hunts, d I Y, public land doesn't really matter. 712 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: When you start factoring in x amount of people in 713 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: a certain spot messing with the deer, then then you've 714 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: got to think differently than other people. Well, absolutely, yeah, 715 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: and you've got to find those spots. It's like those 716 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: off the wall places or those pinch points that no 717 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: one's really going to because they always go straight to 718 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: the water, straight to the food or the obvious place 719 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: that deer should be. But like you said, gets burned up, 720 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: and these deer, you know, you may have to get 721 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: tight on them where they're bedding because that buck has 722 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: just got so dang nocturtle weather and him getting up 723 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: in stretching or bumping a dough into bed and thereas something. 724 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: You don't have a lot of chance at them, um, 725 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, and you gotta hunt different when the deer 726 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: getting educated like that. But at the same time, you're 727 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: also put applying that pressure we're talking about when you 728 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: do hunt that way and get that aggressive. So you know, 729 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot that goes into it. And I'm 730 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: probably the worst guy about it. When i'm I'll sit 731 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,239 Speaker 1: down in the kitchen when all our hunters go to bed, 732 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 1: and I make the plan for the next day, and 733 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: I have a little notepad. I do it on it, 734 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: and I'll have written out every stand for the wind 735 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: that morning on the farm that works, you know, So 736 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: I might have forty stands listed and I'll be putting 737 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: guys in them, and then I go back and market 738 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: out and I don't want to do that because that 739 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: guy won't like that, or you know, I sit there 740 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: and I changed my mind fifteen times, you know, and 741 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: then when we kill them, like, oh I worked perfect 742 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: as now I just got lucky because I's swap spots 743 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: eight times, you know. Uh. But but all the all 744 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: the stands on the list or the right kind of setups, 745 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just, um you know, again, we're 746 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: lucky because we have so many options. But um man, 747 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into it, and there's so 748 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: many different ways you can approach it and not none 749 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: of them were wrong unless you're just you know, doing 750 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: it all wrong, you know. But if I've got the 751 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: right list that stands with right wins and approaches and all, 752 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of it all coming together. And 753 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't work every day, you know. And that's the 754 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: thing you guys got to realize. Well, and this this 755 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: is something you know in your world, the properties you're 756 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: dealing with, they're big, so it's a scale thing. So 757 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: most people listening to this, they're dealing with smaller properties 758 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: obviously and fewer setups, but fewer hunters too. And so 759 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: when you when somebody's thinking about this, like I just 760 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: I just dropped a Foundation's episode on this. It's like 761 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: giving yourself options is so important if you if you've 762 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: got you know, I remember, you know, growing up hunting 763 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: the same farm in southeastern Minnesota with my dad where 764 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: we'd go out and hang five stands, six stands in 765 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: the summer. That was your spots September, October, November, December, 766 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, rut, hot, lull, whatever, it didn't matter. It 767 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we're gonna just pick from one of 768 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: these six spots. And it's like you can't get away 769 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: with that, like you you just know like eventually every 770 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: one of those places going to be burned, and then 771 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: you start crossing your fingers for the rut to rescue 772 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: your ass. And sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it doesn't. But 773 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: when you're talking about that, like you know, you've got 774 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: eight hunters in camp and you go, okay, tomorrows of 775 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: northwest wind and we have forty spots. You can take 776 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: that right down. Okay, you're one hunter and tomorrow you 777 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: have you know, that northwest wind. How many spots do 778 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: you have to go to? Is it one or two? 779 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: Or did you give yourself four or five six options, 780 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: or do you have a saddle where you can go 781 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: and pick out a specific tree, or do you have 782 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: that climber or do you have something that can just 783 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: expand those options, because even just like doubling your options 784 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: creates such a better opportunity to preserve real, dear, dear 785 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: movement out there. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean 786 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: the the public land stuff that you're talking about, or 787 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: guys that are hunting smaller farms, she knows, just smaller 788 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: tracts to land. Um, you know, the other factors. Just 789 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: don't know what the other guy's doing. You know, you 790 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: don't know what your neighbor is doing or how your 791 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: neighbor goes in and out, and you could be doing 792 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: everything perfect. It's like, dang, it just doesn't never work. 793 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: And I'm getting pictures of these deer another in here. 794 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: And it may not have a damn thing to do 795 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: with what you're doing wrong. It's what the guys next 796 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: to you are doing wrong. And so that that's the 797 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: that's the factor that you just can't control. Yeah, And 798 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean you just look at that and go, Okay, 799 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: I know probably where some people are going to access 800 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: this property. I know where some people are probably gonna 801 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: go sit. I'm just gonna do something different. It's the 802 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: same kind of concept that you're doing. You're just controlling 803 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: mostly who's going in and who's going out. You know, 804 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: when you don't have that control, it does that's a 805 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: wild card. But you can make some educated guesses and go, 806 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: I just don't want to be like other people. And 807 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: that's that's one of the things I want to ask 808 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: you about because I know you know, like my strategy 809 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: for white to hunting is find a spot where do 810 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: you like to walk and go there and shoot them. 811 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: Not a big call or scent guy. I'm not a like. 812 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: I'll use a little bit of that stuff in the 813 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: right situation, but mostly I like to just figure out 814 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: where do you like to be. And I know you 815 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: guys are looking at this going we gotta put people 816 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: right where dear want to go. We don't. You're not 817 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna put the best rattler in this spot 818 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: and he's gonna rattle one in, you know. I mean 819 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: you might have something like that, but you probably look 820 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: at that almost like it's a negative with everybody, and go, 821 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: don't draw attention to yourself. Just just let us put 822 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: you there. Yeah, I'm putting you in the best place 823 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: that I think you have a great opportunity to kill 824 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: today based on the current scenario. And yeah, I'm big 825 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: on the least amount of footprint you can leave and 826 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: and put out there while you're sitting, the better. You know, 827 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: if you keep drawing attention to everything you do by 828 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: overcalling or you know, addressing every deer with a call 829 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: that shows up in the food plot, I mean that 830 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: you can't do that because that will straight up burn 831 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: up a spot really quick. So and if you're having 832 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: smaller properties or public land, I would even be more 833 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 1: straight about that, would be very careful because everybody else 834 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: is doing that wrong, you know. And so you got 835 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: to remember that. And like you said, I agree with you. 836 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: Get where deer want to walk, Get where deer want 837 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: to feed, Get where deer gonna go, get between point 838 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: and point B in the travel corridor, and put your 839 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: hours in and it will happen. You know, you just 840 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: gotta do that. How do you guys address that? When 841 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: you know, like if you think about some of your 842 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: Texas stuff, super high deer density, and like that's kind 843 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: of where people think, like, man, I'm gonna go put 844 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: my back to a mosquite tree and I'm gonna rattle, 845 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: and bucks are going to run in from everywhere. And 846 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: you have pretty high visibility during certain times of the 847 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: year down there, just because of the nature of the terrain. 848 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: How do you deal with that with people who show 849 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: up and they're like, I'm gonna claim these antlers together 850 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: every twenty minutes all day long, Well, I try to if. 851 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: And the reason it works so good down there is 852 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: because in a lot of cases, the buck to doo 853 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: ratio is tight, and so they got to fight to breed. 854 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: So when they hear a fight, they'll come. And so 855 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: that's different than what you're gonna experience in Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, 856 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, wherever you're hunting, where you got hired dough 857 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: densities because you know, he doesn't have to get in 858 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: the fight every five minutes to get a dough uh. 859 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: Down there, they do and so it's a little bit different, 860 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: but it's still a very small window of time that 861 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: it will work. And so if they're hunting in those 862 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: times that are not in that window, I'm like, please, 863 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: don't like. All you're doing is educating, All you're doing 864 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: is screwing it up, and if they do come in, 865 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: they're gonna be so dang cautious. They're gonna bust you 866 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: before you ever have a chance at him anyway, So 867 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: it's not the right time. If you're in that ten 868 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: twelve day window when it is working really well, you know, 869 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: we will try to make sure we're one on one 870 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: guy and those guys and kind of control the situation 871 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: a little bit, especially if they don't have a lot 872 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: of experience doing it, because a lot of times when 873 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: we set up, guys will go I'll tell them, I 874 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: want you facing down wind because that's our vulnerable side 875 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: and a big mature buck. A lot of bucks won't 876 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: go down win, but the mature buck will because he 877 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: wants to send check it before he sees it, and 878 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: he wants to make sure everything's legit before he comes in. 879 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: And that's where he's gonna get us. And so if 880 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: he did show up there, I need you ready for that. 881 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: If he shows up when he's up wind from us 882 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: and we're good, we have time to turn and adjust 883 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: and set up and probably kill him. So a lot 884 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: of guys look at me, like, what do you want 885 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: to be facing down wind? They're not going to come 886 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: from there. They're not gonna get a chance. Like now, 887 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: it's probably where you're gonna shoot you, and you're gonna 888 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: have three seconds because he's gonna get us when he 889 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: gets down wind. So I want you ready for that, 890 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: and we'll deal with this if it happens. But most 891 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: of the time those big bucks and circle you end up. 892 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: And again you've got to be in that window of 893 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: time and it's not very big where it's gonna work. 894 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: And if it's outside that leave him alone. Ali, I mean, 895 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: we always joke we'll reach over and grabbed the horns, 896 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: are gonna leave us in the truck. You know, it's 897 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: just because all you're doing is screwed it up. Yeah. Well, 898 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 1: and at that point right there about the mature bucks 899 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: circling down wind, that's something you know. When I first 900 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: hunted your place down in Texas and I was covered 901 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: in dear, I was, I was, I was that guy. 902 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: I was like, these are the dumbst here. I can't 903 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: believe this. This is amazing, you know, like I could 904 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,479 Speaker 1: hit him with rocks. And then you spend a little 905 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 1: more time and you're like, okay, now when you see 906 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: the one step out that has like the deep chest 907 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: and like you're like, that's that dear's different. That dear 908 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: is older. And those are the ones that are swinging 909 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: down when and they're and they're doing things just a 910 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: little bit differently than a lot of the other deer. 911 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: And I think we look at that and we go, 912 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: you know, when I sit this stand, deer come through here. 913 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: And but big bucks never come through here. They're too 914 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: smart or there too nocturnal or something. And it's like, man, 915 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: they're probably just a little bit more cautious. And you 916 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: probably never saw him, you know, circle seventy five yards 917 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: down wind pick you up, or when you were doing 918 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: that rattling session, you might have got him to come 919 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: in and check you out. It's to some level and 920 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: he goes, ah, he hit your entrance throughout or something, 921 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's over. And then it might that spot 922 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: might be over for him well. And and the one 923 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: thing that guys don't realize when you're rattling or grunting 924 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: or smart wease whatever whatever you're throwing at him, a 925 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: white tail knows exactly where that comes from. Like they 926 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: were key in and to the tree, to the spot, 927 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: and so I always tell guys it's like calling ducks 928 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: or in your turkeys or anything else. When you got 929 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: him coming, you better shut up because he will find you. 930 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean, remember, he's looking for a deer that's making 931 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: this noise. And if he as he gets closer, he's 932 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: going to get more and more cautious because he can't 933 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: see what he hears. And he's like, now I'm close enough, 934 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: I should be able to see it. Where where is it? 935 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: And a lot of times that's when they leave, or 936 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: like you said, you just didn't pick him up. He's 937 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: standing there in the open timber Europe, in the canopy, 938 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: you know, and he's looking through there like I don't 939 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: see what I hear and I ain't going over there, 940 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: especially if they've been educated or there's pressure on them, 941 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: and you know you've gotta if you if you see 942 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: him in there coming, I mean, I'm big on shut 943 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: up and let him, let him get curious, because the 944 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: curiosity will kill him. Not not if you just keep 945 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: banging the horns together or continue to ground at them, 946 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: and they're gonna key in on it. They know because 947 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: when they come charging it in Texas, when they are 948 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: running you over and you're in that little window of 949 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: time when it works. They come to the bisquite bush 950 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm sitting at. I mean a lot of times they 951 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: really do come within yards of us. Because he knows 952 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: exactly where the sound is. He literally came to it. Well, 953 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: that shows you. I mean, if I was stopped, if 954 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: I knew it was coming, all the times you can't 955 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: see him coming to that brush. If I knew it 956 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: was coming, I stopped, he may have approached me differently, 957 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: and I might have had multiple opportunities to kill him 958 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: because he got curious. And I'm sitting there and beating 959 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: the wars together and just that, you know, and keep 960 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: them coming. Um, you know, So just keep that in mind. 961 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: You guys really need to think that through when they're calling. 962 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: You know, you don't overdo it because they will find you. Well. Yeah, 963 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: and it's such a it's such a situation by situation 964 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,439 Speaker 1: thing right where. You know, I think that you could 965 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: make a billion dollars if you made a grunt tube 966 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: that wouldn't work if you were panicked, if it could 967 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: somehow like test your like adrenaline level or something, and 968 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: just be like, no, this, this dude's too jacked up. 969 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it because we hit that panic 970 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: button a lot where that buck isn't going to come 971 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: in for some reason. And so before he turns because 972 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: he heard the grunt, he starts company, just pins his 973 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: ears back. He's coming like it worked. But you know, dude, stop. 974 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: You know the first one was all you had to do. Well, yeah, 975 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: and you see people you can The safest call probably 976 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: in that situation is a grunt call because you can 977 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: keep it pretty subtle and you can kind of direct 978 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: it a little bit. But when you see somebody rattle 979 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: that way, you're just like, this is it's just over. 980 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: And most of the time when you're grunning at him 981 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: that way, it's over to or snort, wheezing or whatever. 982 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: And you know, it's a matter of I remember I 983 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: did an outfitted a hunt years ago in Illinois, and 984 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: I remember talking to one of the guides there and 985 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: he was just saying, like, I've got a deer that's 986 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: so killable. He's a good buck in this spot. And 987 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't hunting it. I was hunting a different spot. 988 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: He was telling me about it, and he's like, if 989 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: I can just get everybody to leave him alone and 990 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: hunt this the way I want to, somebody's going to 991 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: kill him. But he's like, if they go in and 992 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: they make a lot of contact with this but because 993 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: he was I don't remember exactly what he was doing, 994 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: but he was using this wood lot heavy. But it 995 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 1: wasn't like he was always walking right by the stand, 996 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: but that was his area. And he's like, it's just 997 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: a matter of time. If we do our job right 998 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: and don't let him know, then this deer is gonna die. 999 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: Somebody's going to get a great shot at him. But 1000 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: if one of these guys goes in and shows him 1001 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: what we're up to, it's freaking over right. Yeah, that 1002 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: that is very, very true. And guys just gotta again 1003 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: that that is no different than the walking in and 1004 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: out wrong or the wind being wrong. Is that additional 1005 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: pressure we're applying, and you know, the deer just get 1006 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: more and more cautious. So how I was thinking about 1007 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: something that you know, I know if you're if you're 1008 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: talking to Illinois, that that property there Iowa, you've got 1009 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, bow season going on and then gun season 1010 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: comes in. But I know down in Texas there's there's 1011 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: concurrent season, So you could be bow hunting while there's 1012 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: guys rifle hunting out there, and you know, you could 1013 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: have people who are sitting in blinds and tree stands, 1014 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: on water or feed or whatever. But you could have 1015 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: somebody else who's like, I'm gonna walk around with Uncle 1016 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,479 Speaker 1: Randy and I'm gonna carry my rifle and we're gonna 1017 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: shoot stuff. How do you manage you know, like two 1018 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: vastly different styles of hunting to two totally different weapons 1019 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: on the same ground. Well, there's certain areas that you're 1020 00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: just gonna do a lot of damage walking or spot 1021 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: and stocking, and we won't even entertain doing that in 1022 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: those areas and that you know, or we've if we 1023 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: have a stand or feeder or a blind whatever that's 1024 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: really hot, or there's a shooter buck that's been sitting 1025 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: you know, set you frequenting a spot. We're we're not 1026 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: going to go in there and do crazy stuff. You 1027 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: know a lot of times if the guy wants to 1028 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: go do that, will go to the odd ball area. 1029 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: You know, those properties have deer and all you know, 1030 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: they're they're all over those ranches. But well, we're gonna 1031 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: go somewhere. You know a lot of times, be honest, 1032 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times. That's when I'm scouting. 1033 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: I would go, let's go walk this northwest corner of 1034 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: the property, because you know, I've never walked through that block. 1035 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: And if you want to go spot and stocking, by god, 1036 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: let's go in there and see what's in there, you know. 1037 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: And it's a good lesson for me to like, I'm 1038 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: always learning every time I'm in the field, and you know, 1039 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: if I've walked through the same block a hundred times, 1040 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to go walk it again. You know. 1041 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 1: I like to learn and see new stuff too, so 1042 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: I'll take advantage of that and and and go after again. 1043 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: We're spoiled down there every a little bit because the 1044 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: densities are so high. Um, but I'm definitely not going 1045 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: to go pound in the pavement, you know, in areas 1046 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: that I know if we just hunt that stand right 1047 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: will kill a deer. You know, we're just not going 1048 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: to do that. And I'll tell the guy, if you 1049 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: go sitting that stand, you can kill a deer. Or 1050 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: if you want to go spot and stot rouge over here, 1051 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what we might see, but you 1052 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: never know, let's go try it. If you want and 1053 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: some guys like, let's go, and other guys go, you 1054 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: really think I should get in that stand? And I'm like, 1055 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's what is there for. I haven't anybody 1056 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: in there, and here's the pictures, Like I can't do 1057 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 1: anymore other than tell you need to be sitting there, 1058 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, and um, you know, guys, some listen something, 1059 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,720 Speaker 1: just do well, Like maybe there's a bad question to ask, 1060 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: but what what percentage of the time when a client 1061 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: is talking to you do you just assume they're lying? 1062 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: Because I know when you get when you get people 1063 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: in and they'll talk about the encounters they had or 1064 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: the misses they had or something, and it's never their fault. 1065 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: And I I don't want I don't want to say 1066 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: we have any I would hope nobody's just point blank lying. 1067 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: But what they do is they it excited and they 1068 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 1: exaggerate the hell out of whatever they They might have 1069 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: saw six or seven does and it was twenty five 1070 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: deer and you know, or they saw a hundred thirty 1071 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: eight point and there's a one sixty running around in there, 1072 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: and you know, they're excited, or they may not have 1073 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: the experience or knowledge to really know what they were 1074 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: looking at. And for you know, like I grew up 1075 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: in eastern North Carolina, if we saw a hundred thirty 1076 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: I didn't see very many hundred thirty inches deer there 1077 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: like when you did. If you really actually saw a 1078 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: hundred thirty black when I was a kid, you would 1079 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,919 Speaker 1: have done everything in your power to kill that deer. 1080 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: I mean, because it was the biggest damn thing in 1081 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: the county, um, you know, and you'd rode around with 1082 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,720 Speaker 1: it in the back of your truck with the tailgate 1083 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: down for a month so everybody could see the adlers. 1084 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just you know. And so a 1085 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: lot of that happens where guys come in and I'm like, hey, 1086 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,720 Speaker 1: it's or you know, or you know, I mean, I 1087 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: I can't because of and you know, and I'm guilty 1088 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: because I'm in that business. But like a lot on 1089 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: TV or articles they might read, or you know, guys 1090 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,399 Speaker 1: on to whatever they're watching. You know, that two term 1091 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,479 Speaker 1: gets slown around, or that one seventy term gets thown around, 1092 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of guys have no idea how big 1093 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: a hundred seventy deer is. And I have a lot 1094 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: of guys come in and tell me. Especially in Illinois, Man, 1095 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: I saw two one seventies and there day I'm like, yeah, 1096 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: probably not, you know, like two together, like they're just 1097 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: hanging out together, you know, in the middle of the run, 1098 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,240 Speaker 1: no doubt, you know, but not not that they can't happen. 1099 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: But it's probably not gay, so they just got excited 1100 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: or they don't know what they're looking. When I first 1101 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: hunted with you down there in Texas, my exposure to 1102 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: Texas had always been you know, outdoor channel stuff, and 1103 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, so those super wide, dark antler bucks down there, 1104 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: and then you know, I get down there and I 1105 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: see a lot of really nice dear, and I'm with 1106 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys of varying levels of experience, and 1107 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: people are talking about how big these deer are. And 1108 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 1: then you start killing them, and you're like, they're nice, dear, 1109 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: but they're not hundreds of you know, I mean, like 1110 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: like you said, where you were in the hill country, 1111 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, you're really small bodies, like really small, so 1112 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: they ground shrink. And you know, you're used to looking 1113 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: at Minnesota deer and you see a deer out there 1114 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,439 Speaker 1: a hundred yards walking by, Man, that's a really big buck. 1115 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,240 Speaker 1: But when you walk up and only ways a hundred 1116 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: and twenty pounds live weight, you know that's that's a 1117 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: different deer. I mean, there are subspecies of the deer 1118 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: that you're used to looking at, and so again, and 1119 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, I have a lot of guys go, you know, 1120 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: come down and go, man, I just can't judge these 1121 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: texas here. You got to sit somebody with me, because 1122 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't tell how big they are, 1123 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, you gotta put it all 1124 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,240 Speaker 1: in referre reference the size of things. So I always 1125 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: try to tell guys how long their ears are in 1126 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: the distance from the eye to the corner of their nose, 1127 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 1: and then you can kind of judge the rack a 1128 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,359 Speaker 1: little bit because you can get a reference. Okay, that's 1129 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: six inches. You can kind of roll it up the 1130 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: beam and look at the times, you know. But if 1131 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: you used to looking at Illinois or Scatchewan bucks or something, 1132 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: and you can sit there and go, gosh and reference 1133 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: to the head of that dear head, there's one seventy 1134 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,399 Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, he's about because there's deer there. Well, 1135 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: do do you think that? People? Though? I mean kind 1136 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,280 Speaker 1: of where I'm going with this is like I always 1137 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: I kind of like have a firm belief like buck 1138 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 1: is a really good deer anywhere, Like when you see 1139 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, I know that you you get into the 1140 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 1: heart Illinois where you're at, like that's that's not that's 1141 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 1: not the deer that a lot of people are looking for. 1142 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,799 Speaker 1: You draw that Iowa tag. And yet most people when 1143 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: they get into tree sand and a hundred thirty comes 1144 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: down the trail like they're they're scrambling for their release 1145 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: right like arrows are flying. Yeah, and we one of 1146 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 1: the things that and I bitched about this a lot, 1147 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: but it drives me, not says we talk about like 1148 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: I'll hear people say, oh, I had a little hundred 1149 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: twenty inure coming. I'm like, I've never seen a little 1150 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: hundred venture Well. And then the other thing is, I 1151 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: mean look at the standard for you know, Pope and 1152 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: young buck. You know that's what it is. I mean, 1153 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: that's a heck up a nice deer, you know. And 1154 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of times like our South Dakota hunts, 1155 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: we used to do a lot. I would tell guys, 1156 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: if you want an opportunity at a there there is 1157 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: a truckload of poping young deer there. You know that 1158 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: one one forty type deer and that's a heck of 1159 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: a deer anywhere. And there's just a super high quantity 1160 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: of those deer there. It's a great place to go 1161 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 1: bow if you're looking for that, you know. And yeah, 1162 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: I mean guys will talk again, the numbers get thrown around, 1163 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: these stupid scores and they really just don't know what 1164 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: they're talking about, or or they're real lucky and get 1165 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: to hunt a place that does have deer like that. 1166 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: But you know, a hundred thirty inch bucks a nice buck. 1167 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: I've shot tons of them, and I'm gonna keep shooting. 1168 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a nice deer. Or where you 1169 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: hunted in Texas, d buck in that hill country is 1170 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,680 Speaker 1: a big buck. Man, that's a really big buck. Because 1171 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 1: you don't get you mass might get long times, but 1172 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: you walk up and you're like, man, I've never shot 1173 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: a buck with horns that spindley, you know, But you know, 1174 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: they just they won't score it. And really, at the 1175 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: end of the day, I've gotten where and I try 1176 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: to kind of school our clients on this. I don't 1177 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: really care what they score. You know, when I was younger. 1178 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: I want to kill the biggest deer ever. But you know, 1179 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: really what I really want to beat that five and 1180 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: a half year old. If I beat that really mature buck, 1181 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: I I really can give two cares about what he scores. 1182 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: It's just, man, you see that tank. I mean I 1183 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 1: I just killed the biggest buck in that block, you 1184 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: know there. You know that I killed that eight year 1185 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,799 Speaker 1: old buck over there. That's super cool. You know, my 1186 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,919 Speaker 1: son killed his first Illinois deer last year with me here, 1187 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: and it was an eight point you know it was 1188 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 1: it was a point awesome deer. He was about to 1189 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: lose his mind, but it was a six and a 1190 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,440 Speaker 1: half year old, just monster deer, you know. And when 1191 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: he walked out, he just couldn't believe how big the 1192 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: deer was. And I was like, what do you beat 1193 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,359 Speaker 1: the smartest deer in that block? I mean, that's that's 1194 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 1: the deer with all the education. That's the deer that's 1195 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: seeing all the guys in the trees. That's the guy, 1196 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: the deer that we couldn't kill all season, and you 1197 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: got him, you know it's you. I like to win 1198 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: that battle. I don't really care what the score, you know, 1199 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: I just like killing white tails. Do you see that 1200 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: changing because it I feel like that's changed a little 1201 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: bit where people it wasn't that long ago where there 1202 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: was like a real score obsession like I gotta I 1203 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: want to get my one fifty, I want to get 1204 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: my one sixty, whatever, And now I feel like it 1205 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 1: switched a little bit more to that emphasis on mature 1206 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 1: bucks or not. I think a lot of land managers have, 1207 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,839 Speaker 1: you know, guys that are managing even small farms, big farms, whatever. 1208 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 1: You know, landowners have switched gears a little bit. And 1209 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 1: so the hunter has switched based on the guy that 1210 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 1: decent from saying and this is what I want done, 1211 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,799 Speaker 1: or or the buddy to let you come hunt, as 1212 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,239 Speaker 1: far as like hey, we're not shooting him us to 1213 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 1: get a little older. Um, you know, but there's still 1214 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,799 Speaker 1: guys wanting to you know, they're still talking score. And 1215 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 1: again I'll blame a lot of that on TV because 1216 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,439 Speaker 1: you know that's you know, we did that for years 1217 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: and I won't name like you wouldn't name anybody earlier, 1218 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,240 Speaker 1: but I won't name shows. But that's all they talk about, 1219 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: Like why don't we just have a great white tail hunt? Man? 1220 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: I just had a blast sitting here with my like 1221 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: with my son. We just this buck came out committed suicide. 1222 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: It never happens like that. We've been trying all season 1223 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: and it just all came together. Best time ever. I 1224 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,959 Speaker 1: could give two ships with the big scores. I don't 1225 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: care because that was that Again, I felt the experience. 1226 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: That was the best experience you could have drawn. Like 1227 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: that day you do still get me better, And oh, 1228 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, I would like to hope you're right that 1229 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,800 Speaker 1: people are kind of coming back around to that, because 1230 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: that that's really that's hunting, That's what hunting is supposed 1231 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: to be, um, you know. And so yeah, we all 1232 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 1: want to manage and grow big deer and shoot big deer. 1233 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,879 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I like eating 1234 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,799 Speaker 1: backstraps and you know, talking about how that all came together, Well, 1235 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,279 Speaker 1: that's that's got to be something that's challenging with being, 1236 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: you know, being an outfitter like that is you know, 1237 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: you look at this and people people so often either 1238 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: want to book an outfit a hunt because they haven't 1239 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: killed x buck or why buck, or you know, they 1240 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,360 Speaker 1: want to draw that Kansas take because of the same reason. 1241 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: And there's that that trophy focus, but really, like you know, 1242 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people ask me about Texas 1243 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,760 Speaker 1: hunting because it's so so different than most of my hunting. 1244 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: You know, people are obsessed with the pigs and the 1245 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,440 Speaker 1: opportunity and stuff too, But really I'm like, man, you know, 1246 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,839 Speaker 1: it's a weird hunt for me. But it was so 1247 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,799 Speaker 1: fun because of the dear behavior you'd see, and it 1248 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,719 Speaker 1: wasn't like you were going to freaking blank like you know. 1249 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: I mean, the first morning I ever hunted down there, 1250 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: when I shot that one buck that I ended up 1251 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: shooting later, I just remember thinking, I've seen more fights, 1252 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: I've heard more snort weezes. I've seen more just like 1253 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,640 Speaker 1: mature buck activity and behavior in three hours than I 1254 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,840 Speaker 1: could rack up in my style of hunting in ten seasons. 1255 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it was like, you know, maybe that's maybe 1256 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: that's an exaggeration, maybe two seasons, but still it was like, 1257 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,680 Speaker 1: holy cow, this is a really fun hunt. Like it's 1258 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: an experience and it's not just a means to a 1259 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: dead you know whatever. Insure. Yeah, well, I always tell 1260 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: my buddies that I grew up with back in North Carolina, 1261 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,319 Speaker 1: it's a different world of white tail hunting. And when 1262 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,920 Speaker 1: you come out and hunt that South Texas stuff, especially 1263 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: during the rut when it's you know, it's just on that, 1264 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: you'll probably see an experience more buck and rud activity 1265 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: than you will in three or four seasons, you know, 1266 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: and you'll see more bucks than you will in three 1267 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: or four seasons in a three or four day hunt 1268 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,920 Speaker 1: against a different world of white tail hunt and it's 1269 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: a different world of pressure. But if you really want 1270 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,479 Speaker 1: to understand dear and understand their mannerisms and really what 1271 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: dear do, naturally you get to see all that is 1272 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,720 Speaker 1: cool to be experienced. And again, if a guy can 1273 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,560 Speaker 1: come with an open mind on a hunt and understand 1274 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 1: that he's coming for that experience, that's the client I 1275 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: want to take versus the guy that's like, Nope, I 1276 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,280 Speaker 1: came here to shoot a one fifty seven or bigger 1277 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 1: because my biggest one is one fifty seven and I 1278 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,400 Speaker 1: have to do that, you know, and you're you're, you know, 1279 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: you've got the pressure of trying to you know, pull 1280 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,479 Speaker 1: something at you know, out of your hat. You can't 1281 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 1: do it, or or they've set themselves up for a 1282 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,359 Speaker 1: failure before they came. And again that goes back to 1283 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,799 Speaker 1: the screening part of what I like to do, you know, 1284 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: when we're talking a book in the hunts and try 1285 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: to you know, just be real frank with guys like that, 1286 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: or even in a way eliminate dealing with guys like that, 1287 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: just because I don't want to. I don't want let 1288 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,760 Speaker 1: anybody down. We always try and best well. And that's 1289 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: a good example there, because you know, people have lots 1290 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 1: of different reasons for doing this stuff, but when you 1291 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,879 Speaker 1: you kind of narrow it down to that one thing, 1292 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,240 Speaker 1: like okay is my biggest I want that one seven 1293 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: or or if it's not worth it, you start to 1294 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,959 Speaker 1: just like change the whole reason to be out there. 1295 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,560 Speaker 1: And I, like I've been preaching this a long time, 1296 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,239 Speaker 1: Like it's the same reason, you know, like I like 1297 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: to travel to New States and hunt public land, Like 1298 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: the experience teaches me something all the time, and I 1299 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: just enjoy that part of it. Like it's not when 1300 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 1: you kind of when you get to a certain point 1301 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,359 Speaker 1: in your career, a lot of times you're just kind 1302 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,720 Speaker 1: of like you said, I don't really care about scool anymore, 1303 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't go into the season going 1304 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,200 Speaker 1: it has to be this buck or nothing, And I 1305 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,000 Speaker 1: find myself enjoying it a hell of a lot more 1306 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,680 Speaker 1: because I've done that in the past. And I'm always 1307 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 1: curious about that with like outfitted hunts, because people, you know, 1308 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 1: when you get that money involved, and then you get 1309 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,359 Speaker 1: some ego being in camp and you know, one guy 1310 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,840 Speaker 1: kills a great, big one on the first night, and 1311 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: then everybody else hasn't killed one yet, like that, dynamics 1312 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: get really weird. But the people who go into it and 1313 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 1: and they're like, I don't care, I just want to 1314 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,960 Speaker 1: see some deer and have my chance, they tend to 1315 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,879 Speaker 1: do pretty well. Yeah, oh yeah yeah. And I mean, like, 1316 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,759 Speaker 1: I get to hunt this property again. I'm really lucky 1317 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: to be to do that. I get to have this property. 1318 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: Ever year. I shoot two bucks here every year with 1319 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,520 Speaker 1: one with the boat, one with a shotgun. And last 1320 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,640 Speaker 1: year I shot two eight points I did. I shot 1321 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,360 Speaker 1: they were both big, mature bucks, and again I they 1322 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 1: were perfect hunts, and I rattled the one in I 1323 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: killed with the boat. You know, it just was too 1324 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,400 Speaker 1: perfect of the experience of what was happening. I got 1325 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 1: caught up in the moment I shot him. He was dead. 1326 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: You know, and then my shotgun deer was a deer 1327 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 1: I've been seeing for three years, and he just it 1328 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,160 Speaker 1: was a buck. We wanted to get out of there. 1329 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: And he walked out five minutes after daylight the first morning, 1330 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,960 Speaker 1: and I shot him, you know, And again I goes 1331 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,360 Speaker 1: back to you, I'd said it really I like the 1332 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 1: eat backstraps too, And you know, I was having a 1333 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 1: damn good time and I was tickled death, you know, 1334 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,440 Speaker 1: and I can I've shot some really big bucks here 1335 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,919 Speaker 1: and could continue to do that. And you know, I 1336 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: took a guy the spot I killed my shotgun buck. 1337 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 1: I popped up a blind in the cornfield that had 1338 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: been cut and I've been watching deer across this pinch 1339 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,960 Speaker 1: point in the field and I shot my buck that morning. 1340 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 1: I took a client there this that afternoon that is 1341 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,000 Speaker 1: hunted with me for years. He shot a one eight seven. 1342 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 1: It so if I stayed there all day, that's what 1343 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: I killed, you know. But but but it was awesome, 1344 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: and I sat there, I actually filmed him killing. It 1345 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: was it was I had no idea that year was 1346 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: going to show up there, So you really don't know 1347 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. But I mean just an absolute stud. 1348 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 1: So I shoot, I shot at one thirty five, and 1349 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,960 Speaker 1: you go seven and and but we were both just 1350 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,880 Speaker 1: as happy with what happened. You know, it was just 1351 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: awesome experience. It's it's a good place to be in 1352 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: when you don't really care about that stuff that much. Yeah. Yeah, 1353 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, you can't bitch about going out and 1354 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,840 Speaker 1: killing hundred thirty five venture That's right, you can't, and 1355 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,600 Speaker 1: you should. But a lot of guys would, you know, 1356 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,720 Speaker 1: And that's you know, like you said, hopefully that we 1357 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 1: got little evolution going back to let's just go out 1358 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,520 Speaker 1: and have a good day hunt, you know, enjoy everybody 1359 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: in camp and have a good time. Okay, So you 1360 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't throw your clients under the bus when I asked 1361 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,080 Speaker 1: you about them lying to you. But I got to 1362 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,760 Speaker 1: ask you this. How do you feel when a client 1363 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,520 Speaker 1: comes back and they say, you know, the big one 1364 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,480 Speaker 1: came in and I shot. Everything felt really good, But 1365 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 1: I didn't see him go down. Then what happens in 1366 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: your head? We're gonna wait, give him some time, but 1367 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 1: but uh, it's frustrating. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, 1368 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 1: we've had me and Randy have had multiple conversations over 1369 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,160 Speaker 1: the years, we come and go, Man, everything worked perfect, 1370 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 1: and this guy just screwed it up, you know. And 1371 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's not that we're like picking on him, 1372 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,480 Speaker 1: it's just it's frustrating because it actually worked. All the 1373 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: stuff we had done came together, and it's like, damn it, man, 1374 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,360 Speaker 1: and I've done it. I mean I've missed them, wounded 1375 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,760 Speaker 1: one or screwed it up or you know, but it's 1376 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,920 Speaker 1: still you're just like, oh, come on, dude. It's like, yeah, 1377 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 1: I mean we we've definitely never to a client, but 1378 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: we've definitely in bribe it or downstairs, you know what, 1379 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: the guys are all gathering. ID was like, this guy's 1380 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: missed three times. Man. It's just just getting ridiculous. Everyone 1381 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, and they know who they are if they're 1382 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,080 Speaker 1: listening to this, because they were like, honey with him 1383 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,440 Speaker 1: last year, missed times. Well then I was talking about 1384 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,080 Speaker 1: you with Randy up sure. Well. I mean, it's just 1385 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,640 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things. And and this happens 1386 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,800 Speaker 1: with everybody does this, and it happens with your buddies 1387 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,680 Speaker 1: where you know, you just have a unique perspective on 1388 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: seeing so many more people come back and say, I 1389 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 1: took this shot, Here's what I think happened, or or different, 1390 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,439 Speaker 1: here's what I believe happened. Well, most of the time 1391 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,960 Speaker 1: they don't know what happened. If they're super excited. More 1392 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,240 Speaker 1: than fifty percent of the time, you could almost throw 1393 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,520 Speaker 1: out what they told you. Just throw it away because 1394 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,440 Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is, okay, where exactly 1395 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,760 Speaker 1: was he standing, especially a gun hunter if it was 1396 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,520 Speaker 1: a hunter fit yards out there. Sometimes it takes me 1397 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: longer to find where the deer was because they really 1398 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,400 Speaker 1: don't know. They didn't reference anything. They got excited. They 1399 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,640 Speaker 1: watched the deer run off, and they can barely tell 1400 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 1: you what direction it ran um, you know, or they 1401 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,560 Speaker 1: shot it and they think they smoked it and it's 1402 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,680 Speaker 1: shot in the hips, you know, or you know it's 1403 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 1: gut shot or or man, the angle was perfect, I 1404 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,080 Speaker 1: hit him last rib, but really it was broadside and 1405 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: went straight through the middle, you know, you know, because 1406 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean I've had to happen to me, you know. 1407 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 1: But a lot of times we get, especially when they're excited, 1408 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,280 Speaker 1: you get a story that's just not when you find it, 1409 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,440 Speaker 1: it's not what you thought or you know, it's like 1410 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,160 Speaker 1: and they go, I know, he didn't go that way. 1411 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: When you start looking for blood, it's like, well the blood, 1412 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, And that happens a lot. Yeah, well, And 1413 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean that's what what comes from a lot of 1414 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,920 Speaker 1: experience with this stuff is you learn to not trust 1415 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,040 Speaker 1: yourself as much as you think you should in those 1416 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,240 Speaker 1: moments because you start filling in the blanks and you 1417 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, everybody gets real jacked up and everybody thinks 1418 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 1: things happened that didn't. And you know that colors your 1419 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: blood trailing. That color is your recovery time. It color 1420 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 1: colors everything. And when you you just get a unique 1421 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,400 Speaker 1: look at it. When you're in on an outfited hunter, 1422 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,160 Speaker 1: you're running an outfit like you are, where you get 1423 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 1: you get just more exposure to that. And I remember 1424 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 1: we we hunted down there one time with you, and 1425 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,320 Speaker 1: there was a guy there, another writer, who shot a 1426 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: buck and you know, he came back to camp. I 1427 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,440 Speaker 1: hit it right behind the shoulder, but it ran off 1428 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,120 Speaker 1: and it bedded down with its head up, and then 1429 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,720 Speaker 1: it got up and then it moved a little bit 1430 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,880 Speaker 1: at bettered down again. And I remember talking to him 1431 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, I I know that 1432 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 1: shot was perfect, and I'm like, well, Nope, it wasn't. 1433 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,480 Speaker 1: And he got really pissed at me, and I was like, 1434 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,040 Speaker 1: well it clearly the angle was clearly off. If you 1435 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,040 Speaker 1: hit him where you think you did, that's just not 1436 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,880 Speaker 1: how it's going to shake out, you know, and too 1437 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,720 Speaker 1: long thing, you know, with their head up, it just 1438 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,440 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. No, And you know when they got that buck. 1439 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 1: He came back to camp and the first thing he did, 1440 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,720 Speaker 1: he walked up to me said, I hit that buck 1441 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 1: right behind the shoulder. So okay, where's the exit? And 1442 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,200 Speaker 1: the exit was all the way through his ass because 1443 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 1: the deer was almost facing him, and so you know, 1444 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,480 Speaker 1: in his head, I mean, there was some ego tied 1445 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,440 Speaker 1: up in there whatever, but in his head, he's like, 1446 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,040 Speaker 1: I hit that buck right where I should. And I 1447 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,640 Speaker 1: see a lot of new hunters kind of do that 1448 01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,959 Speaker 1: where it's like I just got to get it behind 1449 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,000 Speaker 1: the shoulder, and they don't factor in you know what 1450 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,120 Speaker 1: what we think about draw the line through and where's 1451 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,720 Speaker 1: it coming out. You've got to draw that line of 1452 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,840 Speaker 1: how it's going to happen. There a lot of guys 1453 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,480 Speaker 1: do that. I have a ton of guys hit him, 1454 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,120 Speaker 1: where again everything looks perfect, the knocks in the right spot, 1455 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,320 Speaker 1: and it's like, man, that deer was facing away from me, 1456 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,240 Speaker 1: he is way too hard, or he was facing to 1457 01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,080 Speaker 1: you too much, or you know, there's a million and 1458 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,840 Speaker 1: things happen. Or you're shooting a big expandable broadhead and 1459 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 1: it hit the ribs and kicked and the knock look good, 1460 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: but the hits really way up here, and you know, 1461 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 1: you just and again you're excited. So you see things 1462 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,480 Speaker 1: that you think are there and are not. You know, 1463 01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean we've all done yeah, well yeah, and you 1464 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:20,080 Speaker 1: know in those in those situations, it's just like the 1465 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,840 Speaker 1: more the more experience you have, the more you realize, 1466 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: like I might have gotten this wrong and I'm gonna 1467 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 1: be careful and you and it does that. But it 1468 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,040 Speaker 1: also does when you see people who are you know, 1469 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,960 Speaker 1: who are giving big bucks a lot of credit, the 1470 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,720 Speaker 1: one of the worst things that can happen to them 1471 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,200 Speaker 1: is a botched encounter like that where they lose one, 1472 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,480 Speaker 1: because then you start thinking these things are I'm never 1473 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna get one, or I'm never gonna kill this caliber 1474 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: buck or whatever. So the next time one walks down 1475 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,120 Speaker 1: the trail. You know, you think you lost your ship 1476 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,720 Speaker 1: before and when you when you got shot, when you 1477 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,080 Speaker 1: didn't find it or whatever. Now when you get another chance, 1478 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: you're like, mentally you're gonna be that much worse off. 1479 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,000 Speaker 1: And that's like a snowball effect and it's really rough 1480 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,040 Speaker 1: to overcome that sometimes. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, I 1481 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,200 Speaker 1: mean a lot of bow hunt is right here. You 1482 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: just got to be able to you know, have the 1483 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,600 Speaker 1: head game to keep it together and and you know, 1484 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,200 Speaker 1: make execute the shot and not think about past or 1485 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, you know things that have happened. It's it's 1486 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,800 Speaker 1: tough and and at a lot of that experience too. 1487 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,880 Speaker 1: You have guys haven't been out there a lot and 1488 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,640 Speaker 1: haven't slu a lot. I know, when I was a 1489 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,120 Speaker 1: kid first started bow hunting, I saw a lot of 1490 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,760 Speaker 1: arrows before deer died. It was doing bad, but it 1491 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,120 Speaker 1: was my nerves. I couldn't control it, you know. When 1492 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,880 Speaker 1: I only learned how to control it, and I got 1493 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,120 Speaker 1: when I was like I could do this. You know 1494 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,600 Speaker 1: what I've just had as I've matured as a hunter, 1495 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,120 Speaker 1: I've got where I can control that a lot better. 1496 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,400 Speaker 1: I still get excited, but it's after more than it 1497 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,560 Speaker 1: is before. I almost try to get mad at them, 1498 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm you know, I get really zero 1499 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,320 Speaker 1: in on it, or I'll lose my crap and screw 1500 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 1: it up, you know, punchra trated like anybody else would 1501 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,240 Speaker 1: well that. And that's one of the things. I mean, 1502 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,960 Speaker 1: we we always you know, we do these podcasts, we 1503 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,080 Speaker 1: write these articles whatever, and we always talk about these 1504 01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 1: strategies and huntings styles and here here's how you do it. 1505 01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,080 Speaker 1: Or you know, you're like we were talking about earlier. 1506 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,960 Speaker 1: You just preserve that movement, you know, really be a 1507 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,120 Speaker 1: good ninja out there in the woods and don't let 1508 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,080 Speaker 1: them know they're on you or you know you're on them, 1509 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,560 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you'll get your shot. 1510 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,680 Speaker 1: But it's like you can't you can't learn that part 1511 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,320 Speaker 1: through osmosis, Like I can't tell you how to be 1512 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,640 Speaker 1: a killer when that dear's twenty yards away. Like you've 1513 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,920 Speaker 1: gotta get through that bullshit you're talking about where you 1514 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,000 Speaker 1: miss a bunch of them or you make bad shots. 1515 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,680 Speaker 1: And almost everybody goes through that. And you might be 1516 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,160 Speaker 1: talking five years, you might be talking ten seasons, if 1517 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, depending on how much experience you get. It 1518 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:37,840 Speaker 1: might be like a sign significant portion exactly. You may 1519 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,080 Speaker 1: be hunting public land or a small farm that you 1520 01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,640 Speaker 1: want to get one or two cracks a year, and 1521 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,040 Speaker 1: if you're screwing up those, you might take you four 1522 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 1: or five seasons before you can put it together. Yep. 1523 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,360 Speaker 1: And and and you go from you know, that place 1524 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,320 Speaker 1: where you're like excited to see them come, but you're 1525 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,320 Speaker 1: scared because you don't want to screw it up too. 1526 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,840 Speaker 1: Now you're like, don't you better not walk through here 1527 01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,680 Speaker 1: because you're gonna die. And when you kind of flip 1528 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720 Speaker 1: that switch, it's like a wonderful thing, and it still 1529 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 1: goes wrong. But when you start to believe like that 1530 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 1: down the trail, like now you're in trouble. Now not 1531 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm in trouble because he's coming. That's like such a 1532 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 1: beautiful place to be, and it's like there's no way 1533 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,760 Speaker 1: to get there other than just lots of encounters. That's 1534 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,440 Speaker 1: it exactly. So I got a couple of questions left 1535 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,640 Speaker 1: for you. Forere we wrap this up just just out 1536 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 1: of like personal curiosity. So you brought up your son, 1537 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,520 Speaker 1: and I know your son's a hunting fool, which doesn't 1538 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,680 Speaker 1: surprise me at all, knowing you and your dad. But 1539 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,640 Speaker 1: I always tell people who go to Texas because you 1540 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,120 Speaker 1: know how it is like everybody's like, hey, I want 1541 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,720 Speaker 1: a pig hunt. I want to I want to shoot 1542 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,840 Speaker 1: these mesquite dear whatever. But when you get to Texas, 1543 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,800 Speaker 1: there's like raccoons and there's armadillos, and there's all kinds 1544 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,360 Speaker 1: of stuff running around, and people kind of turn into 1545 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,000 Speaker 1: like that eight year old boy with his first baby gun. 1546 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,840 Speaker 1: It's like, I want to shoot shoot out of everything. 1547 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,680 Speaker 1: How do you How do you deal with that? Because 1548 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:49,960 Speaker 1: I know, I know in some ways you kind of 1549 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 1: just gotta let people go a little bit. But in 1550 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,000 Speaker 1: some ways you're like, I don't want you sitting on 1551 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: that feeder shooting raccoons when I know we definitely we 1552 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,640 Speaker 1: definitely uh when a guy gets in that mode, we 1553 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,760 Speaker 1: will uh. And you know, the predator control stuff is 1554 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,840 Speaker 1: all good. I mean, you know those are all nest robbers, 1555 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,880 Speaker 1: all the turkeys and stuff, you know, and and they 1556 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,680 Speaker 1: cost us a lot of money on the feed and 1557 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: everything else. So you know, killing those critters, you know, 1558 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,959 Speaker 1: when their numbers are crazy, I don't have an issue 1559 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,720 Speaker 1: with that, but we definitely kind of pick and choose 1560 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: his spots. We're not gonna take you where you're you know, 1561 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,560 Speaker 1: you're hunting your buck or the buck I think you 1562 01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,400 Speaker 1: have a chance to kill, Like, you know, here's your arrow, 1563 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,360 Speaker 1: don't take that quiver of twenty because I don't want 1564 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,440 Speaker 1: you shooting all and stuff. You know, So I get 1565 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,960 Speaker 1: in our brief or whatever guides thinking about like, hey, 1566 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,560 Speaker 1: get that guy under control, because you know, he doesn't 1567 01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,720 Speaker 1: need to shoot his two have liness and five hogs 1568 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,920 Speaker 1: before the deer come out. That's a problem. Do you 1569 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 1: think that Jason is going to know we're talking about 1570 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:46,400 Speaker 1: him here? Probably he's a trigger happy fella. Uh Ja's 1571 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,320 Speaker 1: always because well I was testing this new broadhead or 1572 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,280 Speaker 1: I was testing it like yeah, whatever, dude, Yeah bro, 1573 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,200 Speaker 1: we have the same job. I know what you're doing here. 1574 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:58,120 Speaker 1: All right, Last last one, buddy, what what are the 1575 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,800 Speaker 1: most common mistakes you see clients make? It just cost 1576 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: him dear impatient? Uh, you know, forcing something that shouldn't happen, 1577 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,040 Speaker 1: so you know, not not waiting on the actual the 1578 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,120 Speaker 1: shot that they should take. I see a lot of 1579 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 1: guys force it in the heat of the moment. I 1580 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:15,840 Speaker 1: gotta get him right now. Because there he is, and 1581 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,160 Speaker 1: I gotta shoot, and damn it, if I had just 1582 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,320 Speaker 1: let him clear that trio and it stuck that trio 1583 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,640 Speaker 1: and hit that lamb or or finally just took a 1584 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,000 Speaker 1: deep breath, he he would have dropped his head. He 1585 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,799 Speaker 1: was learned, and then he relaxed. See, you would have relaxed, 1586 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, and you just you know, try to see 1587 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,200 Speaker 1: it coming together and see how it's gonna happen, and 1588 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,479 Speaker 1: just picking the place to make your shot and then 1589 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,320 Speaker 1: sticking to that, uh, you know, and being patient to 1590 01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,479 Speaker 1: execute a good shot, and a lot of guys just 1591 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,760 Speaker 1: rush it. Yeah, just just impatience in general. I mean, 1592 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,519 Speaker 1: I know that you see that a lot down there, 1593 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,000 Speaker 1: like you know, a water hole hunt or something. When 1594 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:49,920 Speaker 1: somebody's coming in through the brush. It's like, just let 1595 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,240 Speaker 1: him get to the water man. It's like a bear 1596 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,720 Speaker 1: going to a bear bait. Once he starts eating, he 1597 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,240 Speaker 1: drops his guard and you probably got it, like you 1598 01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,920 Speaker 1: do whatever you want. As he approaches de bait, he's 1599 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: real cautious. He's looking around, he's checking everything. So they 1600 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,040 Speaker 1: think coming to the water they're they're nervous, they're you know, 1601 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,120 Speaker 1: they're almost stealing food. Or water from whoever owns that 1602 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,559 Speaker 1: feeder or whatever. You know, they're just checking everything else 1603 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,000 Speaker 1: out and or they've had their butt kicked there by 1604 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,240 Speaker 1: a bigger buck or an older buck got ahold of them, 1605 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,639 Speaker 1: or you know, and it once they dropped. If you'll 1606 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,800 Speaker 1: just be patient, they'll give you the shot that you're 1607 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: looking for. You know. That's the thing about like feeder 1608 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,479 Speaker 1: hunt in Texas. You know, and there's corn spread all 1609 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,320 Speaker 1: over the place. Shows it's not like they're standing there 1610 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,760 Speaker 1: eating in the clover patch. They're literally hunting, pecking and 1611 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,120 Speaker 1: find all this fume. You're gonna get fifty different angles 1612 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,240 Speaker 1: at that deer for the perfect shot if you'll just 1613 01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,679 Speaker 1: wait a second, you know, instead of shooting and facing 1614 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,920 Speaker 1: your hard quarter, you know when you don't need to 1615 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,599 Speaker 1: do that. You know he will, he will present the angle. 1616 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,680 Speaker 1: Just to take a deep breath, look up in the 1617 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,479 Speaker 1: sky for a second, do what you gotta do, and 1618 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,120 Speaker 1: then you know, let him, let him do it. You 1619 01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,320 Speaker 1: get in the right place and shoot. But it's hard 1620 01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,200 Speaker 1: for a lot of guys. And again that's just experience. Yeah, yeah, 1621 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,760 Speaker 1: patients and just letting a moment breathe and waiting for 1622 01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,280 Speaker 1: your your the right time. Is hard to learn. Oh yeah, 1623 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,600 Speaker 1: yeah it is. It's just hard to learn, Mike. This 1624 01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,320 Speaker 1: has been so much fun. Man. If somebody wants to 1625 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,400 Speaker 1: book a hunt with you, where do they look? Then 1626 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,439 Speaker 1: just go to our website so we hunts dot net. 1627 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,800 Speaker 1: Or they can go to the Savage Outdoors dot tv 1628 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,880 Speaker 1: website eat one and they that's literally my cell phone 1629 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,519 Speaker 1: on there because I do all the booking. I talked 1630 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,040 Speaker 1: to every client, um, you know, and the email comes 1631 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 1: to me, so they're not talking to my office manager 1632 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,360 Speaker 1: any that. It's me. So awesome. I appreciate it so much. 1633 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,519 Speaker 1: Thanks man, Hey, thank you appreciate you having me. That's 1634 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,360 Speaker 1: it for this week, folks, be sure to tune in 1635 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,320 Speaker 1: next week for more white tail goodness. This has been 1636 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, and I'm your guest host, 1637 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,920 Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. 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