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Speaker 1: high can be. And I think they're willing to move on.

429
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Speaker 1: I would like to ask you, having spent time in Baltimore,

430
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Speaker 1: because I've seen Baltimore do these moves for years, and

431
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 1: somehow they kind of tend to work out. I do

432
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,679
Speaker 1: wonder for Marcus Peters because of his personality, because he

433
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 1: is what we call it kind of like a red

434
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Speaker 1: line player. The engine is always kind of revenue on high.

435
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,880
Speaker 1: I do wonder by going to Baltimore surrounded other players

436
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: that are like that I wonder if we'll see the

437
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,239
Speaker 1: best of Marcus Peters when it comes to being a

438
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 1: competitor and being consistent, because when I look at Earl Thomas, Mayor,

439
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is a guy that his emotion runs runs high,

440
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: and some of those other players on their defense, I

441
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 1: wonder if it's maybe a better fit from a personality

442
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 1: standpoint for him to play in Baltimore where they've always

443
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 1: had and adds to him on that defense, you took

444
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 1: the words right out of my mouth. I think that

445
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters is a better fit in Baltimore than he

446
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 1: is in Los Angeles and and haven't been there, Buck.

447
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: There is an edge that that defense has had for

448
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: twenty plus years now the way that they go about it,

449
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: um or twenty years, I should say, whenever they got

450
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 1: there to Baltimore, they've throughout the existence of this organization,

451
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: there has been UM. There's a intimidation factor with the

452
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens defense. Now. Their defense is not playing as

453
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 1: well this year as they have in years past, and

454
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Speaker 1: I almost think they feel like when you lose a

455
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 1: Terrell Suggs, um, you know, trying to find some of

456
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: that edge. Is Darius smith moves on. Um, they need

457
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: some more that, you know, for lack of a better word,

458
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: we used to call it, you know, in the scouting room.

459
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: He's kind of like junkyard dogs. You want somebody that

460
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 1: has that that nastiness to him and that not not

461
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: fight in a physical sense, but just has fight in him.

462
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 1: And Marcus Peters has flaws. I think everybody can acknowledge

463
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: he has had flaws off the field. Um, he's had

464
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Speaker 1: flaws as a player. You know you mentioned focus, playing

465
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Speaker 1: a little bit too aggressive. Um. I think he'll he'll

466
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: plug in and he'll fit in. Well there he'll be

467
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Speaker 1: in a room with a bunch of guys that uh

468
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Speaker 1: that see see the game the same way he does,

469
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: which is we will make mistakes, but we'll make him

470
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Speaker 1: one D miles an hour. It's funny that you said

471
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Speaker 1: that because I think that word, um that you use

472
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: is really appropriate. My dad always talks about it when

473
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Speaker 1: we talk about like defense. Uh, you talked about dogs

474
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: and dogs in terms of D A W G s

475
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: Like you have that dog to him, that fightsten this

476
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: to him, that that that thing that you know what

477
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: it's like I kind of equated to on defense on offense,

478
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: you have a cerebral coach, you have guys that are thinkers,

479
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: a little more thoughtful. On defense, the decordinator needs to

480
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: be a zookeeper because the guys on that side of

481
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: the ball, they're a little edgy, They're a little they

482
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: they go to the line and sometimes beyond the line,

483
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: and the person has to be comfortable having a handful

484
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: of those on his squad. When I think about the

485
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens and how they played for years, that defense

486
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: always has had guys that were dogs, that were edgy.

487
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in hockey terms they would call

488
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: him goons, guys that would kind of knock you out.

489
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: They they played two and through the whistle, and that

490
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: was just kind of a part of the reputation that

491
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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens had. I think for Marcus Peters, and

492
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Speaker 1: I go back to what a coach told me when

493
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: he was coming out that look, man, it takes a

494
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: wolf to coach a wolf. That it takes an organization

495
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: that is very comfortable with those kind of guys to

496
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Speaker 1: bring him in. I think Baltimore has shown that they're very,

497
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: very comfortable with these kinds of players, guys that have

498
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: a little character to them, guys that um aren't necessarily unblemished.

499
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: I think for Marcus Peters, I think this is a

500
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: great fit. And I can't wait to see how Earl

501
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: Thomas challenges Marcus Peters to be a better player. Because

502
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: we have seen Earl and we saw how the lesion

503
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: of Boom was constructed. And I think Earl in Baltimore

504
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 1: having a guy that they can kind of work on

505
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: and go back and forth, I think he can challenge

506
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Speaker 1: Marcus Peters, and I think Marcus Peters will respond in

507
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: a in an outstanding way, No doubt. I'm interesting to watch.

508
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: I do think fit is extremely important and I do

509
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: like to fit there with him in Baltimore. Marlin Humphrey

510
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: on the other side, and I think, just think about it,

511
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: he played with the Chiefs were for a long time,

512
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: especially since Andy Read got there. Their identity has been offense.

513
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: He would and played for the Rams even though they

514
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: had a good defense. The identity of the Rams is

515
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh in the offense. Now he's gonna go to

516
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: a team even though at this point in time the

517
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: Ravens offense is playing better than their defense. The identity

518
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: in Baltimore will forever be tied to their defense. So

519
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: he's he's going to get a chance to to be

520
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: on a team where defense gets the top billing. And

521
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: I think he'll respond, well, Uh, they're real quick buck.

522
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: Before we get to Matt Rule, I just want to

523
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: ask you the question here we talked about on the

524
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: pod the other day with Winston and Mariota. Um is

525
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: this Uh? Is this it? I mean, I know Mariota

526
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: got mentioned, so Ryan Tannehill is taken over. I mean

527
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: I think I'm willing to to uh to say firmly

528
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: that Marcus Mariota's this is last year in Tennessee. He'll

529
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: get a chance to go somewhere else and start fresh. Uh.

530
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, I think it's um even though it's been

531
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: such a roller coaster ride, I think he still has

532
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: an opportunity for the remainder of the season to to

533
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: prove that he deserves to stay in Tampa. Yeah, like

534
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: this is this is one where Um he talked about

535
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: hits and mrs Uh. I think this is a little

536
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 1: bit of of both For me when I look at

537
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: both of these guys, Um, I think what I learned

538
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: from the evaluation of Jamis Winston and Marcus Mariota typically

539
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: is how you play in college is typically how you

540
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: play in the pros. When we look at both, Yeah,

541
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: when we look at both of these guys, both of

542
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: these guys are playing exactly how they played in college. Um,

543
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston was a fearless gun slinger who might have

544
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: been prone to making bad decisions on and off the field. Um,

545
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: those things have kind of carried out and played out

546
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: in real time in his pro career. Uh. The turnovers

547
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: that plagued him his final season at Florida State continue

548
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: to be an issue for him in the pros. And

549
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: even though he can have these highlight moments, these moments

550
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: where you see the leadership skills, you see the fearlessness

551
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: as a gun slinger turn into good things, more times

552
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: than that it also leads to turnovers and and and

553
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: things that really just kind of crushed your team when

554
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: you really need it. And Marcus Mariota, you and I

555
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: talked about him when he was coming out. Great athlete,

556
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: great intangibles. Um, the leadership ability is what you wanted,

557
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: but it was very very quiet, So you wondered, did

558
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: he have the commanding personality to really be the face

559
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: of a franchise. Um if some of those guys didn't

560
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: know him and couldn't automatically kind of buy into like ay, my, my, my,

561
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: My play does the talking for me. And then when

562
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: it comes to his playing style, he was an athletic

563
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: playmaker who can make some things. But we watched him

564
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: as a passer, he was never really a true timing,

565
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: touch and anticipation thrower. He had to see things come

566
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: open before he delivered. And when you look at him

567
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: as as a pro, he is the same way. He

568
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily trusted. I would call Marcus Mariota if we

569
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: go to Top Gun, he's Iceman. In Top Gun, where

570
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: Maverick would let it go, Ice always had to line

571
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: up the perfect shot before he would do it. So

572
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: you remember those scenes when he was like, hey, you know,

573
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: let it go Iceland, No, not yet not always wear data. Yes,

574
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: so you look, James Winston is Maverick and my man

575
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: is Ice. Marcus Mariota he never lets it go. But

576
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna say about Marcus Mariota and why

577
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: I believe he actually can bounce back. I believe Marcus

578
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: Mariota is Alex Smith two point oh All. The constant

579
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: turnover at the offensive coordinator position has certainly impacted him.

580
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: Not necessarily knowing how he fits in has impacted him.

581
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy that has to know

582
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: where everything fits before he can play aggressively and assertively,

583
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: much like Alex Smith was in San Francisco into a gym.

584
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: Harvard got there and found a way to kind of

585
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: clean the picture for him. Then he goes to Kansas

586
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: City and he Reid made it even clearer for him

587
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: and he played. If Marcus Mariota can find the right

588
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: play caller and play designer to help him, I think

589
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota can have success in the league, but I

590
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: do believe there's a cap on what he can do

591
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: in the league. I think that cap is very similar

592
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: to what Alex Smith's up was. Now. Alex Smith has

593
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: won a lot of games the last five or six years,

594
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: and so if I'm a team, I'm definitely willing to

595
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: kick the tires on Marcus Mariota, particularly if I have

596
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: one of those quarterback whispers that understand how to try

597
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: and get the best out of him by playing a

598
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: game in a certain fashion. I just need these two

599
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: to have an awkward high five getting out of an

600
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: airplane that pulled this whole thing together. Buck, think think

601
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: about this. These guys have each started, or have each

602
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: played in sixty two games in their career now sixty two.

603
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: So we said forty was kind of the number where

604
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: we thought we had a field for guys. So sixty

605
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: two games a lot of games. And we we always

606
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, we say it here, if you tell you who,

607
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: you tell us who you are. We need to believe in.

608
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota UM seventy six touchdowns, forty four picks, Jamis

609
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: Winston much more touchdowns a hundred touchdowns, much more picks,

610
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: sixty eight picks. UM. It's just interesting they've played the

611
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: exact same number of game fumbles. Jamis Winston has fumbled

612
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: twenty six times, Marcus mariotas fumbled seventeen times. So I mean,

613
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: sacks are are you know? That's the other thing we

614
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: talked about. What's the infrastructure for these teams sacks. Jamis

615
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Winston's taking a hundred and forty seven sacks, Mariota is

616
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: taking a hundred and fifty five UM, so pretty similar,

617
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: pretty similar there, But I just think it's a it

618
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: is an interesting study that they have the exact same

619
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: data point in terms of the number of games to

620
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: look at for these guys. I mean, and it's still divided, Like,

621
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, could we could we really say which one

622
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: of these guys has had the better career. I mean,

623
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: I think both of these guys are about the same.

624
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: Like Mariot has been to the postseason, he gets that

625
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: feather in his cap. Yeah, he's been to the postmis

626
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: Winston's best is better than Marcus Mariota's best, and Jamie

627
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: Winston's worse is worse than Marcus Mariota's lows. I mean,

628
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: that's just what it is. That's a Jamie Winson is

629
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: a roller coaster. It's just like you go to the

630
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: amusement park buck. Jamie Winston is that you climb way

631
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: up that thing when you come way down. Marcus Mariota

632
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: is like the Dixie Care a little, the cups, those

633
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: little uh, the teacups. He's like he's the taco. You know.

634
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: You get off and you're like that was fine, you know,

635
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: I get didn't give me much of a thrill, But

636
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't worried about throwing up either. It was just

637
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: a nice relaxing little journey. That's a nice relaxing ride. Yeah.

638
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't know if either one

639
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: of these guys really UM, kind of turn your crank

640
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to like, man, I want this guy

641
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: to be my my franchise quarterback. UM with Marcus Mariota.

642
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Speaker 1: Like and then here's also the other thing, like in

643
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: talking to people who have been around him, UM, and

644
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: I think this is interesting. Marcus Mariota kind of played

645
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 1: at his best when people hated the offensive coordinated when

646
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: he was under uh, Mike mclarkey and Terry Robiski and

647
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: they were doing some of the things that they were

648
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: trying to do at Oregon. He has success now. Privably,

649
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: people told me he hated doing some of that stuff

650
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: that he did at Oregon. He didn't want to be

651
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: a runner anymore. He wanted to show people that he

652
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: could throw from the pocket. And I think sometimes your

653
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: lack of self awareness as a player can really be

654
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: detrimental to your career. And so Marcus Mariota has to

655
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: really dig down and look at himself phone tape and

656
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: look at what he does really well and where he struggles,

657
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: and he has to be willing to say, hey, I

658
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: can't necessarily play the game like Tom Brady and Paid Manning,

659
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: but I can be successful in a in a number

660
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: of ways. I think he has to give himself the

661
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: best chance, and some of that is using his athleticism

662
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: as as opposed to, hey, I'm approved to everyone that

663
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: I can be a pure pocket passer. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

664
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: And look, I think he's gonna get an opportunity somewhere

665
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: else and um get a chance to revive his career

666
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: next year. I don't think it'll be um there in

667
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Tennessee and he's got there in two thousand fifteen. I

668
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: think two thousand nineteen that will be it. We'll see

669
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: what happens with Jamis Winston. If he continues turn the

670
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: football over, I imagine that will be it for him

671
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: in Tampa as well. So we'll see what happens. We'll

672
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: see what happens. I think it might be time for

673
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: try something new. You know what you got there? Top Gun?

674
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: I went, I went teacups top top top Gun. Are

675
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: they doing a remakeer? Talp Gun? Talk Gun two? Isn't

676
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: isn't that coming out? Sometimes I'm not excited. You know,

677
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: you're not excited about that Top Gun. Yeah, well the

678
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: top gotten a perfect movie. Don't leave it alone. Leave

679
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: it alone, Maverick maverrickan Iceman, African Iceman. I'm still bummed

680
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: out about the whole nine O two and oh reboot.

681
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't really care for that. I mean, I

682
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: don't know why anybody would be excited about that. I

683
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: mean the reboot, I mean it was. It was. I

684
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: probably never told you because like I never told you,

685
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: just so like Nano two one oh was was kind

686
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: of like my show, and I might have had like

687
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: a slight fresh on Tiffany Amberthesen. So one day, one day,

688
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: I was at a coffee shop not too far from

689
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: the house UH called Cortry, and I'm standing in lining.

690
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: Guess who's standing behind me, Tiffany. Look at Kelly was

691
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: right behind you in line, looking as stunning as ever.

692
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: And you know what I did, I did nothing? Not

693
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: before I want to say she was when she was value.

694
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: I think she was Valerie on nine O two and

695
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: o right, was that her character was valid. I don't

696
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: know here what her name is. I just remember whenever

697
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: she come in sc High School being like so much,

698
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: so much for that that's too funny, Buck, You Bucky

699
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: set that one out. What did you order? Do you

700
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: even know what? No? I don't know, but um, yeah,

701
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: she was there and I was ready. I would have

702
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: paid for breakfasts. I bet you would have. All right

703
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: on that note, Uh, let's get to our conversation today

704
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: with a coach that we've long admired and looked forward

705
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: to visiting with that has done a phenomenal job turning

706
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: around this Baylor football program. His name, by the way,

707
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: has been mentioned. Uh four NFL jobs was mentioned for

708
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: the Colts a couple of years ago, the Jets last year. Um,

709
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: and some way definitely NFL teams are keeping an eye

710
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: on for the job he's done at the college level,

711
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: and that is Baylor head coach Matt Rule. Here's our conversation,

712
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: all right, Buck, here he is Coach Matt Rule and

713
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: Coach I this has been an unbelievable turnaround for you

714
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: at Baylor. But I want to go back to when

715
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: you first got the job, the first team meeting, when

716
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: you met with your team. I just love to know

717
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: what your message was to the group at that point

718
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: in time. Uh. Boy, it seems like such a long

719
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: time ago. You know, I think the biggest thing that

720
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to get across I want to get across

721
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: early on to them was that you know, um, well

722
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: I know that they hadn't picked me, that I had

723
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: chosen them. You know. I think that was important when

724
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: you have coaching changes sometimes, you know, the players can

725
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: have a lot of doubt. You know, Hey, you know

726
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: this coach didn't recruit me, doesn't want me, doesn't want

727
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: to use me, especially me. I was coming in from Philadelphia.

728
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: They didn't know who I was, and I wanted them

729
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: to know that. You know, I didn't have to take

730
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: this job. I chose to take this job because I

731
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be there coach, and I wanted them to

732
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: feel wanted and know know that, you know, I had

733
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: big plans for them, you know, coach, and and thinking

734
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: about that because you didn't inherited program that was going

735
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: through some stuff and you've done this before because you

736
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: were able to do it at Temple. Uh. What is

737
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: the secret sauce behind orchestra in a turnaround? How do

738
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: you hear up teams that are struggling kind of find

739
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: their way and kind of get it going into positive direction. Well,

740
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: I think it it comes in a couple of different areas.

741
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I think number one is, you know, you have to

742
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: improve the roster, you know, I mean you have to

743
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: you have to get and that that doesn't come from

744
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: just getting new players. It comes from developing the players

745
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: you have. And I think we've done a really good

746
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: job of putting players in the right positions. You know,

747
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: sometimes like a player might be really talented and have

748
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: the right mindset and make up, but he's at the

749
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: wrong position. And and we try to do a good

750
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: job of of the way we practice. We practiced the ones,

751
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: the twos, and the threes were really competitive, and practice

752
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: even during the season. But try to get guys in

753
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: the right spots. Try to spend a ton of time recruiting,

754
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of people recruit and they look at

755
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: where the player is. We try to look at where

756
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: they're going to be in three or four years and

757
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: recruit outside the box. And then, you know, we wanted

758
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: to make sure that even in that first year when

759
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: we were going one and eleven, that we were building

760
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: a program that was tough, that was hard working, that

761
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: was competitive. Um, we knew we probably weren't gonna win

762
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: a lot of games, but we could at least try

763
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: to win the game and go compete to win the game.

764
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: And so the nice thing is now that we're having

765
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: some success, we have the same process now that we

766
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: had that first year. Nothing's changed, And I think that

767
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: consistency is what allows players to develop. Coach, I sat

768
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: there in your office, you know, following that that rough

769
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: first year and going into year two, and I distinctly

770
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: remember you talking about speed um saying that, look, we're

771
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: going out, We're trying to find guys with track background.

772
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: We're trying to find guys that can really run. We

773
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: need to make this football team faster. We'll develop them

774
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: when we get them on campus. But that is one

775
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: area that you focused on. Uh, and man, it seems

776
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: like at this point in time you're starting to see

777
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: that really pay off your your football teams so much

778
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: faster now than when you got there. Yeah, you know,

779
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: we um, we we made a decision a long time

780
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: ago to be just kind of really numbers based. Um.

781
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, you can you can just go get a

782
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: bunch of really good football players and there there's there's

783
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: some place for that. But but for us, you know,

784
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: we don't really have first pick in recruiting. You know,

785
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: we're not the blue blood school that you know takes

786
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: all the five star kids, and so you know, we're

787
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: gonna find kids with length, We're gonna find kids with size.

788
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna find kids who who who can run, who

789
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: can jump, and and feel like our profit, our process,

790
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: our work ethic, our weight room, our coaching staff. They'll

791
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: they'll do the football part of it. So it doesn't

792
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: don't work all the time. But you know, you look

793
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: out there for us and you see a bunch of

794
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: kids that run ten two, ten, three and four, you know,

795
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: and maybe they were receiving in high school. Now they're

796
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: a corner. Maybe they were a corner now they're safety.

797
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: But you see a lot of speed across the board.

798
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: You see former receivers playing linebacker, and so, um, it's

799
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: a it's not a it's not the easy way to

800
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: do it, but I think if you do it right,

801
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: you can have a really fast team, a really explosive team,

802
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: and get guys in the right spots. You know, coaching

803
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: and thinking about that because look, I know you're full

804
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: of confidence and you knew you had a vision for

805
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: the program. But when you're going through that first season,

806
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: for you privately. How tough is it to kind of

807
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: stay the course when you have lost a number of

808
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: games in a row. Oh, it's brutal. And you know,

809
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: you feel bad for the players because you know, you

810
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: feel for them because you know that hey have ale

811
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: this will work. And I we probably knew that because

812
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: we went through with the Temple. You know, we were

813
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: to intent that first year at Temple, and then we

814
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: were owing five oh and six, and and you know,

815
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: people every day I was afraid to pick up the phone,

816
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: like they gonna fire me today. And and I got

817
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: a phone call one day from dig vermil And I

818
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: barely knew coach Vermial, right, but we're in Philadelphia. He

819
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: had come out to practice once and he said to me,

820
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: he said, Matt, stay the course. Don't listen to anyone,

821
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: trust yourself, trust your coaches, don't change. Do what you

822
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: believe is right until it works. And the next year

823
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: we went six and six. Then we won ten games

824
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: and ten games. And so when we came here and

825
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: we were going through the same season and lost the

826
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: Liberty and lost the U T. S A, and everything

827
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: was kind of crumbling around us. We we had a

828
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: lot of confidence that we were just gonna believe in

829
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: our process, stick to what we were doing. And the

830
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: biggest thing was we tried to make sure we focused

831
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: on the players, and I told them, even if we're

832
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: not winning, you can get a lot better. Like even

833
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: if even if we're not gonna win games this year,

834
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: we'll win those games in the future, but you can

835
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: develop yourself into a pro two years from now, three

836
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: years from now. So you know that first team, no one,

837
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: no one got drafted. We had one free agent. This

838
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: this past year, we had one guy drafted, and we

839
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: had three or four or five free agents, a couple

840
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: of guys stuck on I R this this year we'll

841
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: have a bunch of guys drafted. And so it was

842
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: the work they put in in that tough season that

843
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: seemed like a punishment. Now it's the best thing that

844
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: ever happened to them, and they're gonna have a lot

845
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: of success in the next level. Coach, going through the

846
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: draft process and you're evaluating these guys, you're always trying

847
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: to find, you know, the different traits. We can all

848
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: see the physical stuff that's easy to spot on the

849
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: tape um, but trying to find the makeup of kids.

850
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: And we were talking to Dabbo last week and we

851
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: had kind of pose this question to him. He used

852
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: the word focus over and over again. Just with all

853
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: the distractions we have in the world today, especially for

854
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: these young kids, the guys that are really focused that

855
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: that that is a huge deal. Is there I love

856
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on that, and is there another trade?

857
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: Is there something else that you see you know that

858
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: the guys that have been successful in your program have

859
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: in common. Yeah, I think focus is a great word,

860
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: and I think you have to find guys that come

861
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: from programs that require them to focus. You know, um,

862
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: like there's a mindset out there that you know, um,

863
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: kids can only go twenty minutes and then they need

864
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: to check their phone or you know, they you know,

865
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: they don't write things now that like I can promise

866
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: you the government's not meeting for twenty minutes and then

867
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: everyone goes and checks their phone and they're trying to

868
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: decide what to do with Iraq or something. Right, like, like like,

869
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: we we've just made it. We've just made We've just

870
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: made excuses for kids because kids can do a lot

871
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: of things, and so you know, I'm assuming if you

872
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: take a kid from Clemson. If you take a kid

873
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: from Alabama, you're getting a guy who who has been

874
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: forced to focus and learn football and study and prepare.

875
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: And that's what you get when you get a guy

876
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: from Baylor. And Uh, I think I think it comes

877
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: down to really two things. To me, it comes down

878
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: to maturity. Um. You know, a lot of kids are

879
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: really good kids. You just have to kind of wait

880
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: for them to grow up. And and a lot of that,

881
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: to me is is adversity. You know, Um, I love

882
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: and I think there's a great thing to look at

883
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And I know some guys have studied

884
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: like former walk ons in the NFL. Uh, you know

885
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: guys who have changed positions, guys who have red shirted.

886
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of guys are five star recruits,

887
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: four star recruits. They go in, they play three years,

888
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: and they leave and they haven't really had they might

889
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: have had off the field adversity, they haven't had a

890
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: lot of football adversity. You only football character when you

891
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: have football adversity. When you're when things are going well,

892
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: everyone's good, When things, you know, hit the fan is

893
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: when you need to truly love the game. And me,

894
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: when you get guys who have read shirted, who have

895
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: changed positions, who have walked on, you know that they

896
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: have gone through that period and had to fight through it.

897
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: And so I think that maturity, that love of the

898
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: game is what everyone's dying for at the next level.

899
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, coach and thinking about the court traits, you're

900
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: missing the court RAITs for the players. What do you

901
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: believe are the court traits for a championship program? Well,

902
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: I think you have to you have to be appro

903
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: you have to be tough. I mean we believe that

904
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: we believe here that you have to be tough, hardworking,

905
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: and competitive. And tough doesn't just bang your head against

906
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: the wall. I mean tough means that you know, if

907
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: you're four three, that you run four three all day.

908
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: Tough means that if you're a bump and run corner

909
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: and the games on the line, that you don't just

910
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: start backing up. Tough means that you'l to be metally

911
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: and physically tough and and and you know you don't

912
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: break under the strain of the game, under the strain

913
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: of the season, or or anything else. And I think

914
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: you need hard working guys. I mean, um, the best,

915
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: the very best do extra and then you want competitive guys.

916
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I want guys that want to win everything.

917
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: And so, to me, if we can find tough, hardworking,

918
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: competitive guys, or if we can build tough, hardworking competitive guys,

919
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: then you have a tough, are working and competitive team.

920
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: And those are the teams that don't beat themselves. And

921
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: I love watching the Patriots. You know, I'm not a

922
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: Patriots fan per se, but I love watching teams like

923
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: that that reinvent themselves weekend and week out. That that

924
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: will take an offensive player and have them go play corner.

925
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: You know, they'll handle injuries. They just they just have

926
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of tough, hardworking, competitive dudes, and they are

927
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: able to win on the road. They're able to win

928
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: when they're behind, they're able to win when they have injuries,

929
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: and that that to me, is what makes a great team. Coach.

930
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious on this one, just you know, covering NFL

931
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: games on a weekly basis and going around the league,

932
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't know that tackling has ever been worse, um

933
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: than it is right now in the NFL. And I

934
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: know the restrictions you guys are under at the college level.

935
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm just curious as somebody with your background, how do

936
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: you have a good tackling team nowadays? Well, so through

937
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: through six games, we have one, and we we drill

938
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: it and we rep it and we practice it and

939
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: we we we tacked. We practice tackling on Tuesdays and

940
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Wednesdays and so um, yeah, I mean it's like anything

941
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: else you have. There's a risk award to everything that

942
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: you do. But in the college level, at least, we

943
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: are not coaching players. Were training players. When you get

944
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: to the NFL, you have guys that are already trained

945
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: and you can just coach them. But we're training players

946
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: from the fundamentals on up. And so, um, we work

947
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: tackling in the off season. I mean, half of tackling

948
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: is before contact even occurs. It's it's the angles that

949
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: you run at your eye level, at your body position.

950
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: It's the it's it's do you take one more step?

951
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: Do you step and strike with the same foot and

952
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: the same shoulder, and so we um, we we we

953
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: practice that a lot, you know, more than anything else,

954
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: those angles and running and mirroring people. And you know,

955
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it has to do kids

956
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: not playing a lot of different sports. You know, when

957
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: you play a lot of different sports. Um, you play basketball,

958
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: you have tremendous lateral movement. UM, when you play baseball,

959
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: you have great tracking, you know, like I love finding

960
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: receivers that were former outfielders and their ability to go

961
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: find the ball and track it. So when you when

962
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: you kind of specialize, you have a lot of really fast,

963
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: explosive kids that can go straight ahead and and and

964
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: you end up having a lot of the torn a

965
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: c l s and knee injuries and stuff because people

966
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: aren't trained to go laterally. So we try to build

967
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: that into our off season program. But you also have

968
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: to want to put the pads on a strike and uh,

969
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to be dumb, you don't

970
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: have to be unsafe. You can do it in a

971
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: safe environment. But we do that day in and day out.

972
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, we don't fumble the ball

973
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: very often, and our guys are usually pretty good to tacklers.

974
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, Coach, I absolutely love hearing all of those things. UM,

975
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: when you look at think about your team, I've heard

976
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: the best teams are player lead. So when you think

977
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: about your cabins and how you select your captains, UM,

978
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: what do your captains have to embody to be the

979
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: guys that you kind of entrust that leadership responsibility to. Yeah,

980
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: we we um, you know, we have we have captains

981
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: and we have single digits, which know, if you wear

982
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: one through nine, it means you truly represent the brand

983
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: at a high level. You're tough, you're hard working, you're competitive,

984
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: and um, you know, to me, we believe that that that.

985
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: You know, leaders lead from the front, you know, and

986
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: and they have to. They have to a the guys

987
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: who can get the job done, not just talkers. They

988
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: have to get the job done. They have to execute

989
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: the mission for the team and they always have to

990
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: put others first. And so um, we don't do that

991
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: very lightly with anyone, you know. Uh we we we

992
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: we we. That's why we allowed the team to vote

993
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: and we let the team pick. Now, I can always

994
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: be to it, but I rarely do because the guys

995
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: know who they can really trust, right, they know who

996
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: they really believe, and they know who's really living the life.

997
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: Um you know that they that they portray And so

998
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: all I want from from the leaders on our team

999
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: is I want everyone number one to be a great teammate.

1000
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: If you're just a great teammate. If you'd come out

1001
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: here every day and you meet the standard and you

1002
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: practice and play at a high level, then we're gonna

1003
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: have a good team. But if we have guys who

1004
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: are willing to go beyond that, that are willing to

1005
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, do a little bit extra to to to

1006
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: have other other people's backs, to push other people and

1007
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: hold them accountable, then we have a chance to have

1008
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: a great team. And so we try to build it

1009
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: from when they're young. Man. I try to find guys

1010
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: that I pay attention to the lift groups when they

1011
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: first get here, and who's the guy that's in the

1012
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: front that that is able to correct his teammates without

1013
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: always having to be the guy that's over the top.

1014
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: And then we try to take those things and build

1015
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: them and and have leader groups and councils and things

1016
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: like that to try to teach them how to do

1017
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: it and and so that way when they get to

1018
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: be a senior, they're not all of a sudden saying, oh,

1019
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: announced my turn to lead. They've been trained on it,

1020
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: just like they've been trained on, you know, how to play,

1021
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: bump and run. Coach your time there with Tom Coughlin,

1022
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: Um I'm just curious if there is a phrase or

1023
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: or any kind of a message that he delivered to

1024
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: his team that is stuck with you over all these years,

1025
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: maybe more so than any other. Uh Well, I mean

1026
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things. Um. I think the biggest

1027
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: thing that I think that I took from him, maybe

1028
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: not with you're asking, but I think it's such an

1029
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: important point was that he, um, he spent so much

1030
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: time with the players want on one And there's always

1031
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: kind of this thing out there about coach Coughlin, Like

1032
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, he was a drill sergeant, but like he

1033
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: would meet with Justin Tuck and he wouldn't meet with Eli,

1034
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: and he would meet with you know, a team NIX,

1035
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't meet with those guys one on one

1036
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: and and talk to them. And that way, they weren't

1037
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: everything getting called out, but they were they were hearing

1038
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: his message from him, and to me, you know, I

1039
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: always tell early we asked earlier about leadership. I always

1040
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: tell our coaches and our players, you know, our message

1041
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: your words, man, Like you know, like I'm gonna say

1042
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: it one way, you know, you say in another way

1043
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: and make it way cooler. That's fine, But our message,

1044
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: you are worse and that's their chance to that's their

1045
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: chance to the state. Coach. I don't like that message.

1046
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: And so you know, whereas I used to be a

1047
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: little bit more of you know probably you know team

1048
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: meeting yellow and Screamer on the practice field, that the

1049
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: MAT's still an intense guy. But I spent a lot

1050
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: of times with my players. I spent a lot of

1051
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: time one on one. I spent a lot of time

1052
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: with two or three guys. I watched the take with

1053
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, the backup left tackle, just one on one.

1054
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: And I learned that from Coach Coughlin because he built

1055
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: amazing connections that way, and you need that when you

1056
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: had go to a place New York with the media

1057
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: and the you know that everything is, you know, everything

1058
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: is under the microscope. He did it one on one

1059
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: in close quarters, and I thought it's would allow him

1060
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: to have a tremendous amount of success. Coach. Last question

1061
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: for me, because we've done this a lot on the podcast,

1062
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: and I'm curious because I'm I'm a new head coach

1063
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: at a high school, but if you could, um think

1064
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: about a young Matt rule, If you could give the

1065
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: young Matt rule who's an aspiring head coach advice? What

1066
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: would be the advice that you would give him? Uh,

1067
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I would say, and I would say to not worry

1068
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: about winning um because it will eat you alive. I

1069
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: would say, I wake up every morning and I say

1070
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: to myself, Matt, just remember there's a player on the

1071
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: team today who needs you to to help them. And

1072
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: if you wake up, if if I wake up every

1073
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: day and say to myself, I'm here to help the players.

1074
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: Because if you're worried about winning, you just helped the

1075
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: top twenty two in the top thirty. And I have

1076
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: a hundred fifteen, hundred twenty guys. And if I wake

1077
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: up every day and I'll try to help hundred twenty

1078
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: guys and my focus is completely on them, the football

1079
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: will come. Right. The football is the fun part. The

1080
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: team will come. But by helping the kid on the

1081
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: scout team, By helping the kid, those kids, you know what,

1082
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: they end up having hope and they end up finding

1083
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: a role they end up finding and also your team

1084
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: gets stronger and stronger, and kids want to stick around

1085
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: in an age where people think everyone's transferring, well, when

1086
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: you pour into when you pour into your players and

1087
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: you try to be there for them. They you know,

1088
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: some might transfer, but they all don't transfer, and so um.

1089
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: Whereas I started out really thinking about winning and losing,

1090
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: now I think about helping the players and then playing

1091
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: great football, Like we're not gonna win every game every year,

1092
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: but we can play really really good football. And then

1093
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: when we do win, like last week, we want a

1094
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: sloppy game. We were not happy on Sunday because we

1095
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: knew we didn't play great football. So when the standard

1096
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: is playing elite elite football, and the standard is making

1097
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: sure every player is having a better life because it

1098
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: came to our program, then I think the wins and

1099
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: losses take care of themselves. Coach, this has been awesome, man.

1100
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: I know, uh, Bucky, and it's in the same boat.

1101
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: I am just got pages full of notes here from you.

1102
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: It's been so great. But I do want to ask

1103
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: you this one. This one a question we've asked us

1104
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of coaches, and we've got some great answers

1105
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: because we're we're asking doesn't have to be a player

1106
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: that played for you, but just the best high school

1107
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: football player you've ever laid eyes on. And we've had

1108
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: answers ranging from Alan Iverson uh to Sammy Watkins, UM

1109
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: and on and on, and we've had Lebron James, we

1110
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: had Mel Tucker. It's had seen Lebron when he was

1111
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: in high school. So he was talking about him as

1112
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: a football player. I'm just curious, in your years beating

1113
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: on tape on a practice field, the best high school

1114
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: football player you've ever seen? LaVar Arrington? Um, LaVar Arrenton

1115
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: was the best player ever seen because because he came

1116
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: out three years after me, so we were teammates for

1117
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: a brief bit. But he he was such a great

1118
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: high school player that his high school film highlight film

1119
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: was was you can get it in a couple of

1120
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: blockbusters out in Pennsburgh and uh. And then the name

1121
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: escapes me and this is really embarrassing. But the kid

1122
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: that just the young man that just left Michigan, that

1123
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: um that went went the d lineman that went in

1124
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: the first round was his name. Yeah. Oh. It came

1125
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: to our camp at te in like and in like

1126
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: the ninth grade. And I thought he was a senior

1127
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: and was ready off from a scholarship then and they

1128
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: said he was a ninth grade And I wished him

1129
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: the best going directly to the NFL. I thought he

1130
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: was just an amazing school football talent coach. Did you

1131
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: ever see LaVar play basketball? Because I played in an

1132
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: AU tournament right when I was twelve years old. I

1133
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: played in the AU tournament. It was in Utah, and

1134
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: I went back. This was like many years after, like

1135
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm forty two. So I looked this. I found this

1136
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: thing in my garage and I thought, you know what,

1137
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: surely there's somebody that played in this AU tournament with

1138
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: the top twelve year olds in the country that that

1139
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: turned out to be somebody. And there's LaVar Arrington. He's

1140
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: in sixth grade. He's like three feet taller than everybody

1141
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: on his team. He had the Bobby Brown step haircut.

1142
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: I sent him this picture because I got a chance

1143
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: to work with LaVar a little bit. I sent the

1144
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: picture was incredible. Did you ever see did you ever

1145
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: play hoops with LaVar? Have you ever seen LaVar play hoops? Oh? Yeah,

1146
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we had we Uh there was a time

1147
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: when you go to the gym and they're all the

1148
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: freshmen out there playing and they had LaVar. They had

1149
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: Courtney Brown who would like dunk on you in alogize

1150
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: to make sure you're okay. Floyd Wederburn, who was like

1151
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: six six fifty complaining for the Seattle Seahawks. I mean,

1152
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: I I just tried to stay outside, shoot from the

1153
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: perimeter because there was no there was no messing around.

1154
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: It's so good. That's a great one. Coach. Hey, man,

1155
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: we we hope, we hope you guys keep it rolling

1156
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: there at Baylor. Man, it has been fun to watch

1157
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: you turn this thing around. Um, you know, we're look,

1158
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: we're in the NFL, so we're selfish. We hope one

1159
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: day you make that decision, but we're not going to

1160
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: pressure you. Enjoy your time there at Baylor. Man, you

1161
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: do a wonderful job. I appreciate you guys. Good luck

1162
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: to you. Coach Brooks too, Hey, thanks, coaches help a lot. Appreciate. Well,

1163
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: there you go, buck Uh. You know, look, you listen

1164
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: to coach rules speak and you can quickly understand why

1165
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: he's His reputation as a leader, not just as a

1166
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: football coach, but as a leader is um is so great.

1167
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: He's an impressive, impressive guy, oh for sure. I mean, look,

1168
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: haven't talked to him before, talked to him at the combine,

1169
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: talk to him about team building. Talk to him about

1170
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: like how you kind of get everyone going in the direction.

1171
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: Uh you can see why. Look a dynamic leader, a

1172
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: guy who one obviously has a blueprint for leading teams

1173
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: back from the ashes. And I'm just man, I just

1174
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: can't uh tell you how much I appreciate hearing him

1175
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: till stories and how he's been able to kind of

1176
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: rebuild a couple of different programs. So it's exciting to

1177
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: watch him. He has a team sitting at six, and oh,

1178
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how they finish in the

1179
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: Big twelve. Yeah, and we see what they do going

1180
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: forward here if they keep this thing rolling. Who to

1181
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: thunk it? Baylor sitting there undefeated, doing a phenomenal job.

1182
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: All right, some college players want to touch on here

1183
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: real quick, buck, and then we'll do hits and missus. Um.

1184
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: I talked to a to a scout the other day

1185
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: who told me ceedee lamb, when it's all said and done,

1186
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: end up getting picked ahead of Jerry Judy. Just like

1187
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on that one. Oh, that's the

1188
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: interesting one. Um. There's a part of me that can

1189
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: see it. Um. I think what happens when you're you're

1190
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: looking at wide receivers. I think it's easy for your

1191
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: eyes to be drawn to maybe the more dynamic player.

1192
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: I think in Jerry Judy, what you get is a

1193
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: workman like player that is just very very consistent. UM.

1194
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: He's an outstanding route runner, He's very polishing and how

1195
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: he goes about his business. He has great hands, UM,

1196
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: he has run after catchabuilding. But whenever you look at him,

1197
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: particularly at Alabama, there's really no flash to his game,

1198
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: like you just see steady Eddie production, consistency in those things,

1199
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes you can get bored with that

1200
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: and see the lamb. What you see are you see

1201
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: some of that? You see the policy out running bild,

1202
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: you see the explosive plays, you see a dynamic player. UM.

1203
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: I think when you look at this spectacular plays, they

1204
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: may resonate in your mind a little more than Jerry Judy.

1205
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: And I think the decision has to come down between

1206
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: what else do you have around them when it comes

1207
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: to building your wide receiver corps. You and I have

1208
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: talked about this on multiple occasions about building a basketball team.

1209
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: I think, for UH, if you're a team and interested

1210
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: of Jerry Judy, I think you're looking for um, kind

1211
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: of like the steady any point guard, like I got it.

1212
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: It is not necessarily a Russell Westbrook score, but just

1213
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: kind of like coward Lowry can get to the bucket

1214
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: when he needs to, but can run the team I

1215
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: think is Ceedee Lamb. You're talking about a Russell Westbrook

1216
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: type of guy that is dynamic and explosive and the like.

1217
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: And so a lot of it depends on what's your

1218
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: preference for your wide receiver one and your wide receiver

1219
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: two and what else do you have available on your roster. Yeah,

1220
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting to me. I think they're gonna

1221
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: end up running a similar time. You know, everything I've

1222
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: heard is you know, and you watch him play. Look,

1223
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: I think Judy plays a little bit faster than Ceedee

1224
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: Lamb does. Judy is just so twitched up like he's

1225
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: not He's I was told he's gonna probably run low

1226
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: four fives um. Maybe he gets into the high four fours,

1227
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: but more than likely low four fives UM. And then

1228
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: you look at Seedee Lamb and I've heard kind of

1229
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, mid four fives in that range. Here's the

1230
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: difference to me, Jerry, Judy separates, he creates tremendous separation

1231
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: because he's so sudden at the top of his route.

1232
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: So that quickness and suddenness, and then after the catch,

1233
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, Uh, he plays faster than what his time

1234
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: will be and he can get away from you after

1235
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: the catch. So there's a kind of that quickness and

1236
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: suddenness that Jerry Judy. I give him a little bit

1237
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: of an edge. Now that the thing about Ceedee Lamb

1238
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: that that I love. Ceedee Lamb has contested catches. You

1239
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: don't see Jerry Judy with a lot of contested catches.

1240
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb breaks tackles, he's physical. You saw that it

1241
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: gets Texas what he did after the catch. And so

1242
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: the question is when you go up against better players

1243
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: at the next level, what translates more? And with Judy

1244
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: and look, he I think he's gonna be a good pro.

1245
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: But I think the comparison why why somebody could lean

1246
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: towards Lamb is because you look at somebody like you

1247
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: would know, you know, playing in this air. But Peter

1248
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: work separate like crazy from college kids, quickness and all that,

1249
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: and then try and get away from guys. Well, you

1250
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: get to the NFL, they're they're just bigger and faster,

1251
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: so he doesn't generate all that separation. Well, now Peter

1252
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: Works not gonna be able to make contested catches. What

1253
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do at the NFL level, Peter

1254
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: Work's not gonna break tackles. Whereas you look at at

1255
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, and that's more of the Michael Thomas. I

1256
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: know he's not that big, but more of that style

1257
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: of play. Look at Hopkins and what he's done someway

1258
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: that can make the contestants spectacular, catch, can play in

1259
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: the mud, can play in the traffic, can break tackles,

1260
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: and and that's where I think sometimes the testing um

1261
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: even in this case it's not apples to apples, but

1262
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: just the testing and how faster or quicker a sudden

1263
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't always necessarily tell you who the better pro

1264
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: is gonna be. Now, this is gonna be a fascinating

1265
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: discussion because I'll go back to just a year ago

1266
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: when we were talking about the wide receiver position. Uh

1267
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: we talked about taking craftsmen over athletes and how skille

1268
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: was winning out over just pure physical talent. And then

1269
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: when you look at the traits, Jerry Judy is a

1270
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: skilled wide receiver. He is a guy who is um

1271
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: a very polished in detail route running guy who kind

1272
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: of understands all the ins and outs of getting open

1273
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: and creating separation and in those things. And then when

1274
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: you look at Eadie Lamb, like he just kind of

1275
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: physically overwhelms the people that he plays against. UM. When

1276
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: we make this debate, and I'm sure this will be

1277
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: debated going all the way through until Draft day, some

1278
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: of it I do wonder is when we look at

1279
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, Jerry Judy is playing in the SEC against

1280
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: cornerbacks that we know are going to be pros, and

1281
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: so the separation that we see from him is very,

1282
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: very real. When we look at Ceedee Lamb, we know

1283
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: the reputation for big twelve and defensive players, and the

1284
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: fact that he's having more contested catches does make you wonder, man,

1285
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: is he going to be able to separate from better

1286
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: players down the line. And but then we say all that,

1287
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: and then you look at the tape and your eyes

1288
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: are drawn to both of them, and I really think

1289
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to if I'm a wide receiver

1290
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: coach and then offensive coordinator, I'm going into basking Robbins.

1291
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: What style do I want to be my lead receiver?

1292
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: Do I want the guy that I can create things

1293
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: and have him run rouse and get open, or do

1294
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: I kind of want the Michael Thomas type where he

1295
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: just physically beat you down over the course of the game,

1296
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: where he wins out. As the league is continued to

1297
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: shift in, defenses are playing more man to man, more

1298
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: nose to nose coverage with the cornerbacks, and that you

1299
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: do wonder can a scale guy beat a wheel or

1300
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: a toughness guy at the line of scrimmage. This is

1301
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating to figure it out and to watch

1302
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: these guys continue to play in the National Football League,

1303
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: and I think they're both gonna be really good football players.

1304
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: And as of right now, I have Judy over Ceedee Lamb.

1305
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: But when I heard that, it kind of took me

1306
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: back a little bit and said, Okay, well, let's let's

1307
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: discuss it. Let's look at why that could be. Why

1308
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: would somebody think this way versus a kind of the

1309
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom that would have Judy over him. So I

1310
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: think that's the debate in the discussion it will take place.

1311
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the end of the year, I'll

1312
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: get a chance to watch every ball that's thrown to

1313
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: these guys at that point in time and and have

1314
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: have a decision to make. I do know one thing

1315
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: I Alabama. I ain't just Jerry Judy because Davante Smith

1316
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: is bolling, Henry Ruggs is gonna be a topick, and

1317
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle is sophomore. When it's all said done, he's

1318
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: not eligible for this draft. When it's all said done,

1319
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: down the line, he might be the one that ends

1320
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: up being the best pro that dudes, he's really explosive.

1321
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: So so think so think about all this because this

1322
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: will eventually take us to the quarterback discussion. Um, I

1323
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: would say outside of our podcast, because I don't think

1324
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: you and I made any judgments or evaluations. Are hard

1325
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: assessments on what to talk about Loa is in terms

1326
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: of if he comes out, what would he be would

1327
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: he be the number one quarterback? But man, when you

1328
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: just name you just name four receivers at Alabama, four

1329
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: receivers that we're pretty confident are gonna be pros and

1330
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: gonna be high draft picks. So now when we look

1331
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: at two of them and we give him all the

1332
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: credit for being one of the top quarterbacks, if not

1333
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: the top quarterback. How much of that are we going

1334
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: to need to attribute to the playmakers that he has

1335
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: around him versus just two a kind of doing it

1336
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: by himself, Because when we look at some of the

1337
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks, they don't have the same luxury of having

1338
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: high end playmakers around them, so they may not be

1339
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: able to ring up some of the production to match

1340
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: two us because they simply don't have the weapons around

1341
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: them to elevate their numbers. Well, let me just go

1342
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: through some of these are real quick here, um, some

1343
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks. Let's go, let's see, how do you

1344
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: want to sort this? Let's quarterback rating ends up getting

1345
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that have thrown one pass. So

1346
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: let's go yards per game? All right? You ready to

1347
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: have this little little chat here? All right? Pat Mahomes,

1348
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: how good were his receivers in college? He had a

1349
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: couple of guys there at Texas Tech. They had a

1350
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: couple of guys though, I mean decent players, but nothing nothing,

1351
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: nothing sicks right, Matt Matt Matt Matt Ryan at Boston College,

1352
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: what did he have? Nothing? He didn't have much Dak

1353
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: Prescott at Dak Prescott at Mississippi State. I don't believe

1354
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: they had anything. I know they had a big, slow

1355
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: receiver who ended up not getting picked. Um Philip Rivers

1356
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: at NCY State. I can't, honestly, I can't remember. It

1357
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: wasn't the most impressive group. Uh. Tom Brady at Michigan. Again,

1358
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: you gotta go way back, Jared Goff at cal Um

1359
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: but no one, no one really NFL guys. Um, you've

1360
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: got Cam who's up here in yards? I mean that

1361
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: that Auburn team receiver wise, nothing, Russell Wilson, Um, you

1362
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: gotta go back to Wisconsin. I don't believe they had

1363
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: a whole lot there. Um, Matthew Stafford at Georgia. Now

1364
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: that he had a j Green, so that was a

1365
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: big one. And Kyler Murray. Obviously they had a loaded

1366
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: group last year. But I mean that's just a list

1367
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: of names. Deshaun Watson, though, Deshaun Watson had a ton

1368
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: of great players. That's that. That's that's the answer. That's

1369
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: the answer right there. So if you're looking for a

1370
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: comparison for um, you know what they had. Obviously Baker

1371
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: Mayfield as well. But I mean I think Deshaun Watson

1372
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: has played much better than Baker. So let's use that

1373
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: is the litmus test there when you get asked, because

1374
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna get asked these questions a bunch to Oh,

1375
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: he's driving a Cadillac. Look at all the players he's

1376
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: got around him. Is this Matt Leiner? Is this a

1377
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: situation where he just surrounded by great players and it's

1378
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: it's making him look better than he is. Would say, well,

1379
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,479
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was surrounded by great players, and I thought

1380
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: he made great players even better. So um, that that

1381
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: to me is what I will hang to come to

1382
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: a guy. Um, I think what he does translates well

1383
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: to the next level. So that's you just helped me

1384
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: workshop my argument there. When I get hit with he's

1385
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: playing with great players, I'll just hit him with Deshaun Watson.

1386
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: And I think this is because I had a discussion

1387
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: with someone the other day. I think we overvalued the

1388
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: weapons that Deshaun Watson had around him and we devalued him.

1389
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: The discussion was, hey, he has all this type like

1390
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: who couldn't drive that cadillect he has everything. Um, but

1391
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: what we did, TODJ. Boyd was really good. Yeah, yeah,

1392
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: and so so we we kind of knocked him for

1393
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: having terrific players around him, and maybe we didn't give

1394
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: him enough credit to Hey, maybe maybe he's the guy

1395
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: that is the driving force because that offense looked a

1396
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: certain way with Todge Boyd, looked a lot different with

1397
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. And so with two of maybe we make

1398
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: that argument, Hey, it looked a certain way when Jalen

1399
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: Hurst was driving that offense, but man, it's a little

1400
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: different with Twa at the controls. And so to deserves

1401
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: a lot of credit. And you know, like, um, we've

1402
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: talked about him. We've both seen him when he was

1403
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: in high school and the leadership ability and all those

1404
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: other things and watching him kind of grow at Alabama.

1405
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: Is he does he have flaws? Yes, he does have

1406
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: some flaws, But man, when you think about the total

1407
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: package when it comes to i Q, leadership ability, physical talent,

1408
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: and just kind of the it factor, Man, he has

1409
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: a lot of things that you look that you really

1410
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: look forward the position and now that more teams are

1411
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: willing to do away with the old standards and norms

1412
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to the physical dimensions that franchise quarterbacks

1413
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: have to have. It's gonna be hard to make a

1414
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: case against ta Um when it comes to who should

1415
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: be at the top of the list of quarterbacks that

1416
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: are eligible if he decided to come out. I love

1417
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: it when we stumble upon the talking points for a

1418
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: draft here in October seventeenth, and we've already figured out

1419
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: what some of these narratives are gonna be, and we've

1420
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: already got the point and the counterpoint ready to go. Buck. Yeah,

1421
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it. It's gonna be fun to

1422
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: have have that discussion. Um, when we look at it

1423
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: and as you and I begin to really take a

1424
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: closer look, because you know how it goes like we

1425
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: don't really start digging into the college thing until right

1426
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: around now, like right when we get to November, when

1427
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: we get into kind of narrative focus because college gals

1428
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: have to have all their grays in at the end

1429
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: of November. Um, So now we're beginning to kind of

1430
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: get okay, here, here's the landscape. Here, the guys that

1431
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: we're really gonna have to focus in on. Let's begin

1432
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: to look at them and talk about them, and hey,

1433
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: who could be the three or four in that cluster.

1434
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: Let's begin to kind of sort these guys out preliminarily. Um,

1435
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, it's it's it's gonna be a great

1436
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: discussion because, man, one thing that we have this year

1437
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: that maybe we didn't have last year. We got pass

1438
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: catchers and we're gonna have passers. So that's gonna make

1439
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: for really good programming because people love to see the

1440
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: throwers and catchers. When it comes to the draft, it's

1441
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. All Right, You ready to play some

1442
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: hits and missus. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, here we go.

1443
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: This is the draft, and I just have I don't

1444
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: have my complete reports, but I have my a couple

1445
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: of nuggets and notes that I threw into the sixcel

1446
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: sheet when I was getting ready for the draft. So, uh,

1447
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: this is this is the first player is an edge

1448
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: rusher that I gave a big grade to. Unfortunately it

1449
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: worked out. Okay, hasn't worked at at all. This guy's

1450
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: defense has been quick hands Uh, no quick hands, Uh,

1451
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: nice job knocking the hands down, keeping his chest clean,

1452
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: can rip flatt into the quarterback, has a big time

1453
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: inside counter, has a lot of snap uh to his game. Uh.

1454
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: This guy was my sixth overall player in this draft

1455
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: and Uh, he was a first round pick, and I

1456
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: think it's safe to say he was a bust. Oh six,

1457
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: So here here, here, here's what I'm thinking, because we

1458
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: had an epic debate. They got me in trouble with

1459
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people from Oakland and that was Dante followed.

1460
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's Dante. Dante follows the guy Fellers,

1461
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: not about Dante Fello life with the Rent. So I'm

1462
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: thinking maybe, just maybe, is Shane Ray from Missouri? Is

1463
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: that hit You're you're a winner? That's a Shane Ray.

1464
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: Shane Ray, I that Missouri pipeline. They've been putting out

1465
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: all his defensive lines. Um, but he was a little

1466
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 1: bit undersized. I don't think he tested left. I don't

1467
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: think he might not even ran a forty because I

1468
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: don't even have a forty in the computer here on him. Um,

1469
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: But it was to me he was the second coming

1470
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: of Jarvis Jones, remember him, Yeah, who was a total bust. Yeah.

1471
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: That was The warning signs were all over that one,

1472
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: and I just didn't didn't heed him. Well that was

1473
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Here's the thing that was that

1474
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: was tough about the Shane Ray evaluation. Man on tape.

1475
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: He played hard, He did a lot of good things. Yeah,

1476
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: he was a little stiff and little straight line, but

1477
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: we've seen plenty of pass rushers who didn't have kind

1478
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: of the fluidity continue to be successful. I think the

1479
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: one thing that we Um couldn't get around, man, I

1480
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: heard he was a very high maintenance individual in the building,

1481
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: and that maybe is self belief or self assessment didn't

1482
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: match up with what his playing ability brought, and maybe

1483
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: he didn't maximize the talents that he was given. And

1484
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: so in two places in Denver and with the Baltimore Ravens,

1485
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: just didn't click, like I heard, it just didn't job

1486
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 1: with him and the other players and the coaching staff.

1487
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: And so I can knock you completely for shame Ray,

1488
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: because based on the way he played at Missouri, Man,

1489
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: he was a dude. It just man. Sometimes you just

1490
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: don't You just don't remember watching him his career in Denver,

1491
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: and I remember watching him and go on, buck Man,

1492
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: this late this, this other kid, Shack Barrett. He looks

1493
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: better than him, you know, and that's not good. That

1494
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: turns out not just better, uh the much better, much

1495
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: better than a lot of people. Shack Barrett the heck

1496
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: of a player. Um, who's really blossom there in Tampa.

1497
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: So that's my miss, can I can I make myself

1498
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: feel better and give you a hit here, give me

1499
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: a let let me see everything. I'm gonna stay on

1500
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: the defensive line on this guy is really starting to

1501
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: blossom now. Um. It's a three or four defensive and

1502
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: violent ship plays with a wide bass, got some shake

1503
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: bowl to him. He's got twitch for a bigger guy,

1504
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: as a nasty club, easily stacked single blocks, freeze himself,

1505
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: makes plays. Um. Just a really good football player. And

1506
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: I had him as a first round pick. Um, I

1507
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: had him a little bit higher than where he got picked.

1508
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: And he's really blossomed into being a good player. That

1509
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: means he was undervalued. He's become a really solid player.

1510
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: I would say undervalued. I mean he's a first round

1511
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: pick and he's he's now really lived up to that.

1512
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: Who first round pick? That Eric Armstead? Right? It is

1513
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Eric Armstead. Oh look at Eric Armstad seventeen. Look at me,

1514
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: Look at Eric Armstead. I was I was in four player.

1515
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: He let me off too when you told me he

1516
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: was a first round because I was going through the

1517
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,440
Speaker 1: list because I was down here at the Preston Smith's.

1518
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking at the guys and

1519
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: I guy. Yeah, I'm looking at Christma Smith. I'm looking. Well,

1520
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: what pick was Preston Smith. Preston's Smith was thirty eight

1521
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: overall Washington Risk. He was my thirty six player that year. Hey, DJ,

1522
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: Vaniel sliding side in sub quick first step, great effort,

1523
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: can widening bowl, nice counter move. I took a bye

1524
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: to the Preston Smith Apple there. Hey DJ, Okay, So

1525
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,839
Speaker 1: here's what's funny. Right, we were having a conversation about

1526
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: players and picks in trades and why people need to

1527
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: kind of be careful about going crazy over draft picks

1528
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: instead of valuing the players. Man, let me read off

1529
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: some of these names of guys that were first round picks. Okay,

1530
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: just so we know, Like so, thirty one for the

1531
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints. Stefan Anthony linebacker from Clemson. Twenty nine

1532
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: Philip dors Look, he's played better with the New England Pages,

1533
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been a guy. Twenty six Shot Perriman

1534
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: why receiver, Central Florida Baltimore ravings twenty four d J.

1535
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:06,440
Speaker 1: Humphrey tackle Florida twenty two. Bud Dupree linebacker Kentucky Buds

1536
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: playing better. He's playing better. Um, but think about that,

1537
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, your bud Dupree, like that, because that's the

1538
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: conversation you're making. Yeah. So, so now you have Cameron

1539
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: Irving nineteen to Cleveland. Um, I mean, just geez, just

1540
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: think about this as we're going. Trey Wayne's was eleven

1541
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Vikings from Michigan State, Eric Flowers at nine.

1542
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 1: And so we can go through every draft and and

1543
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: and say this Kevin White, I mean, but injuries we

1544
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: can say played a part in that. But when we're

1545
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: going it always sounds better when we're talking about the

1546
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: draft picks. But then when you start putting names to

1547
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: to those picks, you do wonder, Yeah, now now it

1548
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: looks now it looks a little different. And that's not

1549
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: even going into the second round. Those are all first

1550
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: round picks. So I know we go crazy about picks,

1551
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: and I know for us it would appear that we

1552
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: would love the prospect of drafting picks. I don't know.

1553
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just wonder, man, sometimes I have somebody you thing, No,

1554
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: that's true. All right, let's get to some questions here.

1555
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: I know Nobile's got some questions that the users have

1556
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: popped on there. What do you got alright? First one,

1557
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 1: what is your evaluation of L s U QB Joe Burrow.

1558
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: All the hype so far for the top quarterbacks for

1559
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: the draft has been with Tua and Herbert, but it

1560
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: could be argued that Burrow has been the QB so

1561
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: far this season. Well, I'll tell you what. I watched

1562
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: him over the summer and then I watched a couple

1563
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: early games, so I haven't seen the last several. I'll

1564
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: get a chance to to catch up on those. It

1565
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: seems like he just keeps getting better and better. I

1566
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: know when I watched him early in this season, I

1567
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: thought he was a much better player than what I

1568
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: saw last year. I don't think he has Wow traits

1569
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: in terms of of arm strength and you know just

1570
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: um big time tools. And I talked to a scout

1571
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: who was at the Utah State game, said, you know, look,

1572
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow driving a Cadillac there with what he has

1573
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: and played better than Jordan Love did in that game.

1574
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: But you watch those guys throw and spend it, He's

1575
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: like not even close, Like Jordan's Love has much more

1576
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: talent um than Burrow. Burrow is a better player at

1577
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: this point in time. UM. I think most teams have

1578
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: him in that you know, kind of borderline, um, you know,

1579
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: early to late one kind of he's in that range.

1580
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: But I've seen guys that. You know, Baker Mayfield was

1581
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: somebody that was talked about in the exact same light,

1582
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: um at this point in time in the year, and

1583
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: climbed up through the process end up being the first

1584
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: overall pick. So I think it's a working progress there.

1585
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: With Joe Burrow. I like what I've seen. UM. I'm

1586
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: anxious to see some some later tape as we go

1587
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: through the year to see what he's doing. I just

1588
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: thought he was very efficient when I watched earlier this year.

1589
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: He can move around a little bit. I didn't see

1590
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: a big time arm Not that's that's the most important

1591
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: thing in the world, but that was my take on him. Now, Look,

1592
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: I think I think with Joe Burrow, I think I

1593
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: think the thing that has been um I opening has

1594
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: been man. How different is l s U offense? Look,

1595
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: some of that is due to his play and the

1596
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: way he is getting the ball out. UM. I think

1597
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: he looks noticeably better than he did a season ago.

1598
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: I think, Um, Joe Brady's offense necessarily and kind of

1599
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: fit his eye when it comes to the way the

1600
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: ball comes out. I do believe he is surrounded by it.

1601
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: Man we talked about We talked about two early in

1602
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: the podcast, but the weapons around him. He has some

1603
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: explosive players. So he certainly looks um different than any

1604
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: L s U quarterback that we've seen because they're playing

1605
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: a different style. The trick for me will be, let's

1606
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: see what Joe Burrow looks like in some of these

1607
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: prime time games that he has coming down the line.

1608
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: We know he's gonna play Alabama. We also know that

1609
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: potentially he could be in maybe the SEC Championship against

1610
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 1: another team from a top team from the East. Let's

1611
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: see how he begins to play in these games where

1612
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: the expectations are a little higher and he feels the

1613
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: pressure of having to carry this offense when the opponent

1614
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: takes away the running game and he doesn't have kind

1615
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: of the clean looks that maybe he's been getting very

1616
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: early in the season. Yeah, I think we'll get a

1617
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: true evaluation at that point in time, which it will

1618
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: be fun. He's done a nice shob thus far and

1619
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: definitely has helped himself. That's uh, that's an understatement, all right,

1620
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: what's to give a cup more here and be what

1621
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: we got? How do you feel so far about the

1622
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: moves Mike Mayock and John Gruden made in the off season.

1623
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: I like what they've done. I think they they have

1624
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: an identity on this football team. They're gonna be a physical,

1625
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 1: tough football team, and that's what they focused on in

1626
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: the off season. I think the Antonio Brown thing was

1627
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: a mistake. I think they would admits as much that

1628
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: didn't end well. But when you go out and you

1629
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: get a Trent Brown who's played well at right tackle, UM,

1630
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs is at a physical element to their run game.

1631
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: You saw they just extended Darren Waller their tight end. Um.

1632
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: He's turned out to be a really good player for them.

1633
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: Richie Incognito for all the circus he brings, UM has

1634
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: been an upgrade for them. Um, you know, the one

1635
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: the one that I would keep an eye on, and

1636
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of right moves that I just mentioned.

1637
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: Foster Moreau has been a good player for them at

1638
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: tight end. UM. Cleveland Farrell at four was a reach

1639
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: by a lot of people, and to me where I

1640
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: had him, I liked him, but I thought that was

1641
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: that coffee was a little bit rich at that point

1642
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: in time. That one might be the one that they

1643
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: regret in time because they have got a real, big

1644
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: time impact player there. But I understand why they did

1645
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: what they did Buck. They wanted somebody, um that was

1646
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a foundational piece. And Mike Mayock's words, who's

1647
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a physical, tough leader in the room. He's

1648
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: all those things. And and Mac used to, you know,

1649
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: Chris Long as the example there. Now, Chris Long is

1650
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: not gonna go to the Hall of Fame, but Chris

1651
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: Long was a key blue guy on a couple of

1652
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: championship teams, and that's what they're hoping they get there

1653
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: with Cleveland Farrell. I think the biggest thing, uh, the

1654
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: biggest reason why I'm encouraged about Oakland Raiders. I do

1655
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: believe I see their identity when I watched him play.

1656
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: They are physical football team, They're tough, they can get

1657
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: after it on both sides of the ball, but they

1658
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: are a blue collar team. And if you're not up

1659
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: to snuff, if you don't bring your big boy pads,

1660
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: you can get overrun by the Oakland Raiders. I think

1661
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: the moves that they made in free agency with some

1662
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: of the controversial players that they took on didn't work out.

1663
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: When they traded for Antonio Brown, we heard all the

1664
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: conversation about his character and the way that he acted

1665
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh didn't work out for him in Oakland. Vantez

1666
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: Berfeck has always been a guy that has played. I've

1667
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: been a habitual line step, but when it comes to

1668
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: the way that he plays on the field, it has

1669
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: cost him in Oakling because he's no longer available to

1670
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: the team. However, the other guys, the draft picks, they've

1671
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: been exactly what we expected him to be. Josh Jacobs,

1672
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: we knew his story, We loved his story. We thought

1673
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: he would be a blue collar player because of what

1674
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: he was able to exhibit at Alabama. Some of the

1675
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: other players that they have playing for them, uh Jonathan

1676
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: Abras and the brief time that we had a chance

1677
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: to see him play that opening game, he looked like

1678
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: he kind of fit the mode of what they wanted

1679
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: and what they're trying to build in that locker room.

1680
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 1: So right now I'm very very encouraged by the Oakland

1681
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: Raiders and what direction they're going. It'll be interesting to

1682
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: see what the next steps are as they begin to

1683
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: take some of those extra picks and continue to kind

1684
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 1: of layer the cake. Um that they're building nicely said,

1685
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 1: layer the cake or you can go seven layer dip.

1686
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: Either way you want to go the same page there.

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Speaker 1: All right, we got time for one more and Bi'll

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01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: give us one more question and we'll we'll get rolling here.

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Speaker 1: What is the best way to learn schemes? Do you

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01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: have any recommendations for learning schemes and books or videos?

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01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'll give you one real quick here. Uh.

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: Chris Brown has written a couple of books and The

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01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: Essential Smart Football. Um. You can go find it. I

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01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: just looked it up online. You can find it. Um.

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01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: He sent me a copy of both of his books

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01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: and they're outstanding. UM for somebody that's looking kind of

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01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: where the trends are and and just a basic underscan

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: understanding of run schemes and some defensive stuff as well. Um.

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01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: He does a great job. It's real, it's real easy read,

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01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: and it just does a real, uh, real nice job

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01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: of making things simple and breaking things down. So I

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01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: enjoyed reading those. I think you would enjoy it as well.

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01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: I encourage you to do it if you haven't done

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01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: it already. The Essential Smart Football by Chris Brown Duke.

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01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: I think that's a great book. There's another book that's

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01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: out there called Blood, Sweat and Chalk. I think he's

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01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: written by sports illustrator writer Tim Leighton. I've read it.

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01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 1: I can't remember who the author is. Book, Blood Sweat

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01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: and Chalk. What it does. It takes you through all

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 1: the popular as schemes, uh, throughout our time watching football,

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01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: and so it is a great kind of behind the

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01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: scenes look at how the game has kind of evolved

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01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: to this point where we're seeing the ball throwing all

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01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: over the yard. I think if you are a novice

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01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: that's trying to kind of catch up to how football

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01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: has become the great sport and it's kind of become

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: the game that we're seeing playout today, that book is outstanding, uh,

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01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of breaking down the schemes from like the Packers

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: sweep to some of the other stuff to West Coast

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01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: offense would build wash. Uh. It just does a great

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: job of kind of breaking it down and keeping me

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01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: very very simple for the reader you mentioned. It's Tim Layden.

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01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: I have not read this yet. I've heard of the book,

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01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: but that's that's described here as a modern game of football,

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01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: filled with plays in formations, with names like the counter trade,

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01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: the wildcat, the zone blitz covered too. They've become part

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01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: of the sports vernacular, and yet so many fans they

1728
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 1: remain just names, often confusing ones. To rectify that, Tim

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01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: Layton has drilled deep into the core of the game

1730
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: to reveal not only how these chalkboard exs and knows

1731
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: really work on the field, but also where they came

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: from and who dreamed them up. So there you go.

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01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: That's a that's a great book. I need to get

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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: that one and uh that one out So yeah, I

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01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: hope that helped. Uh everybody Football is back. Watch live local,

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Speaker 1: it's fun, man. I'm having a good time when we

1751
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Speaker 1: get a chance to visit with guys like Dabo Sweeney

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Speaker 1: it's always awesome when we have a chance to visit

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Speaker 1: with these guys. I learned so much from just having

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01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: these conversations and also from our discussions. I just think, uh, man,

1756
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: when it comes to football, you just learn from having

1757
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: smarter people around you. Saw him just I'm just excited

1758
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: about the podcast and where we're going when it comes

1759
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 1: to bring these people on. I feel like lately we've

1760
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: had topics on here and and we kind of know

1761
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, and then we get into it

1762
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: and then it takes us down like another path. I

1763
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: think it's far more interesting than the stuff we had

1764
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: written down that we were going to talk about. But

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01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, look, I don't think we're the

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01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: smartest two people in football buck. In fact, I know

1767
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: we're not the smartest two people, but I knew I

1768
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: do know. We're curious and we're anxious to learn and

1769
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: kick around some new ideas. And uh, I feel like, yeah,

1770
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: these these especially over the last few weeks, I feel

1771
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: like we've kind of stumbled upon some good conversations and

1772
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: and I got a chance to think up new ideas

1773
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: and learn all something. Yeah, it's fantastic. Is gonna make

1774
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: for a great book one day, DJ I know, gosh,

1775
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: we gotta get that in the bill. You can if

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01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: you want to write it. And just you just need

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01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: a writer. We just need a writer. We just we

1778
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: just need a writer. There we go, all right, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: GM Pact Show. I hope you enjoyed it as much

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