1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: me your girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: you have asked and I am delivering. Ellie Mistel joins 4 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: wok F Daily today to break down all of the 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: fucking legal news that y'all need to know. Last week, 6 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: my God, from the Supreme Court to the Manhattan Court 7 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: and back again. It was just a nightmare, and it's 8 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: been a nightmare. It's been like this for the last 9 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: like a couple of years. But what I always enjoy 10 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: when Ellie comes on to the show is to really 11 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: give clear, biting analysis and critique not only of the 12 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, which he absolutely does, but also of our 13 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: justice system as a whole. I feel like all of 14 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: us are like armchair lawyers and judges at this point, 15 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: given the amount of bullshit that we're trying to digest 16 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. So without further ado, my dear listeners, 17 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: here is Ellie Missau. Folks, I am so very happy 18 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: to welcome back to wok F Daily my friend Ellie Missoul, 19 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: who is the author of Allow Me to Retort. He 20 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: is the Justice correspondent at the Nation. He is an 21 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: all around prolific social media personality, pundent, you name it, 22 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: he does it. We love it. 23 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: Ellie. 24 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: Let's just start out with so, how are you surviving 25 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: the slow wielding apocalypse that's happening. 26 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty bad, Danielle. Thing they're not great. I 27 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: am about to go into my heavy season. So you 28 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: know how like for the Mob, like their heavy season 29 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: as football season, because that's when all the bets come in. 30 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: For me, June is my heavy season because that's when 31 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: all the Supreme Court's fuckery comes due. Right. The Supreme 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: Court backloads their most important cases to the end of 33 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: May and all throughout the month of June. And so 34 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: all of these kind of horrible things Courts is of 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: planning to do that all comes to fruition. This year. 36 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: It comes early because this year they're going to start 37 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: the fuckery on April twenty fifth, when they hear the 38 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: Trump Community case and try to see if they can 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: get their boy Donald Trump off again. So yeah, so. 40 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: Let's start there with the Supreme Court. There's so much 41 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: ground to cover, but with you. And so let's start 42 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: with the Supreme Court, which is this not that it 43 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: matters their poll numbers? People's faith in the Supreme Court 44 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: is somewhere. I don't know, maybe it's at single digits now, 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: but it's pretty much in the toilet. Not that that matters, 46 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: because they're an unelected body that gets to do whatever 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the fuck they want, including not recuse themselves from cases 48 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: that their wives are a part of. Looking at you, 49 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas as well as you know, take as many 50 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: millions of dollars worth of gifts and private jets as 51 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: they want to all as well, because you know, it's 52 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: their decision. It's their world. We're just living in it. 53 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: They're hearing this case on April twenty fifth. It is 54 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: already to me has been decided, because they could have 55 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: heard this when Jack Smith asked for it several fucking 56 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: months ago to set things up on pace so that 57 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: it wouldn't buttress up against the election. So tell me 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: where you think. Go into the dark place, which is 59 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: the mindset of this current Supreme Court, and tell me 60 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: what you think the logic is that they are playing 61 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: with for April twenty fifth. 62 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: The Supreme Court wants a Republican to be president, right like. 63 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: And I think that we have to start there because 64 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: I think that there is in the media, in polite conversations, 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: there is some idea that the Supreme Court is Trump resistant, 66 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: that because of Trump's antics, they don't like him. They 67 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: don't like the man. They're worried that he is a 68 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: threat to their power because if Trump wins again, court 69 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: decisions will mean nothing. And so there's this kind of 70 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: false belief that the Supreme Court is anti Trump. No, 71 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: they ain't. They are regardless of what they think about 72 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: Trump the person, they are pro Republican, right. And so 73 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: when you look at a guy, let's take Clarence Thomas, right, 74 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: Clarence Thomas is old man. Now, I personally think Clarence 75 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: Thomas is more than willing to die on that in 76 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: that job. But let's say that he doesn't. Clarence Thomas 77 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: knows that he does not get to retire and enjoy 78 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: all of his Harlan Crow dollars as long as a 79 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: Democrat is president. Right, Samuel Alito, who is a miserable 80 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: son of a bitch of a man, he knows that 81 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: he does not get to retire unless there is a 82 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: Republican in charge of the White House. That matters less 83 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: for you know, the young ones. Gorsach and Kavanaugh and Barrett. 84 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: But what's common about Gorsach, Cabanaugh and Barrett, Oh, Trump 85 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: appointed them, Trump gave them their jobs. Right, So these 86 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: people have a vested interest in making sure a Republican 87 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: is in office, and that Republican, according to the party, 88 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: needs to be Donald Trump. So you have to proceed 89 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: from that premise that they want Trump to be to 90 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: have at least the option of being reelected. So how 91 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: do they do that? Right? And the way that they've 92 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: decided to do that is the way that Trump has 93 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: been asking them to do that, which is to delay, delay, delay, 94 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: delay his reckoning until he as the opportunity to run 95 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: for president again, at which point, if he can win, 96 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: problem solved. But also, from the Supreme Court perspective, if 97 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: he loses, problem solved, right, Because if you are the 98 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, you don't want to go against the man 99 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: because he might win. But if you allow him to 100 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: run and he loses, well, then all of these criminal 101 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: trials can happen with a kennev without your without your input, 102 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: on whatever timeline they see fit. Right. So if so 103 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: Trump loses, the Supreme Court doesn't care if he doesn't 104 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: come to trial for four years after that, or you know, 105 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter then. So all the Supreme Court needs 106 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: to do to promote their interest is just make sure 107 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: he gets an opportunity to run again. And if you 108 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: look at their actions over the course of twenty twenty 109 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: three and twenty twenty four, all of their actions are 110 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: so Trump can run again. You start with the Colorado 111 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: ballot access case, right with the Fourteenth Amendment challenged to 112 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: Trump's ability to stay on the ballot. Right, that court 113 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: is about to rule unanimously that Trump can stay on 114 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: the ballot. But even before we get to the ruling, 115 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: just by delaying how long it takes them to issue 116 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: that ruling means that the deadlines to put Trump on 117 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: the ballot have already started to pass in many states. 118 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: So they've kind of have to put them on the 119 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: ballot now because a lot of the deadlines for that 120 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: have passed already. Right, obviously, with the immunity argument, Jack 121 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: Smith asked them to decide this case in December YEAP 122 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: when Trump made his ridiculous argument in December that he 123 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: was immune from everything. It's a stupid legal argument. It's 124 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: one that there's no constitutional basis for them to go 125 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: on they could have dismissed this months ago. They've waited 126 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: until April to even hear the case. And when do 127 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: you think we'll get a decision, because it won't be 128 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: you know, if they hear in the case on April 129 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: twenty fifth, we ain't getting a decision by April thirtieth, right, 130 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: we ain't getting a decision by sing of Demayo. It's 131 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: they're going to drag out, even when they announced the 132 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: decision on the Trump case until as late as possible. 133 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: Supreme Court goes usually until you know, first week of July. 134 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: We could not have a decision until July fourth. And 135 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: at that point, even if the decision is that Trump 136 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: is not immune from everything, which he can't really be, 137 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: by July fourth, it's too late. Here's the other, rankle, 138 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: here's the thing that I'm really gonna be listening for 139 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: when I listen to Supreme Court world arguments. You know, 140 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: later this week the Court could rule, and it's almost 141 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: likely that they will rule that Trump is not immune 142 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 2: from everything, but he's immune for some things. And Judge 143 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: telling you chunk in they could rule, did not fully 144 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: take into consideration all the things he could not be 145 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: immune for, so they're going to remand the case. That 146 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: is the legal term for send the case back to 147 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: Judge Chuckkin, not with the final decision, but with an 148 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: order for Judge Chucken to make another decision based on 149 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: other grounds right, and that will start the appeals process again, 150 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: because they'll pump it back to Judge chuck In. Chuchkin 151 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: will once again say, well, I have considered the Supreme 152 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: Court's decision to focus on this aspect of immunity. I 153 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: hear by rule that he is not immune again from 154 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 2: this thing. And then Trump appeals again, and it goes 155 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: to the DC Circuit again, and then it has to 156 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: wait to go to the Supreme Court again. Remember when 157 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: they hit June, they don't come back until October. They 158 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 2: don't come back when they get to the end of 159 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: their turn at the end of June or the first 160 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: week of July. They don't come back again until the 161 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: first Monday of October. So you could remand this case 162 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: back to Judge Chucken, have her make another decision, have 163 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: another appeals process take place, and they only will consider 164 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: it when they come back to work a month before 165 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: the election, which means they won't rule on it for 166 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: god knows how long. So that is a way that 167 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: you can not accept the immunity argument yet still delay 168 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: this trial so that it is physically impossible for it 169 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: to happen before the election. 170 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, right, and I thank you 171 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: for that, for that rundown, because it makes sense to 172 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: us lay people who are just paying attention and looking 173 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: at the calendar and saying, wait a minute, it didn't 174 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: have to happen like this, So why is it happening 175 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: like this? And is there a reason that we lay 176 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: people don't understand that the Supreme Court is operating in 177 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: this higher plane of consciousness that we just don't get right. 178 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: We're just not that bright. And so here's my thing, 179 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: and I've been mulling this over, and I've been talking 180 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: to other folks. Tell me the function of Supreme courts 181 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: in a dictatorship and in a fascist government. What role 182 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: does the court play in said environment? 183 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: They're a rubber stamp. People forget, everything that a fascist 184 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: government does is legal at the time that they do it. Right, 185 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 2: Hitler was legal at the time that he did. Stalin 186 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: was legal at the time that he did. Mussolini legal 187 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: because those fascist dictators took over the courts and torn 188 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: and turned the courts into the legal rubber stamp for 189 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: their horrible authoritarian actions. And that is exactly the plan 190 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: that Trump and the Republicans have in place in kahoots 191 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: with this Supreme Court. So it's not like a fascist 192 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: government has to obliterate the court. It's not like he 193 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: has to disband the court. They just pull walk the court. 194 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: They make the court do its bidding. And there are 195 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: more than enough justices on the current Supreme Court who 196 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: are willing to do that bidding. Thomas Alito, they're all in. 197 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 2: They're in it to win it. Kavanaugh alleged to tempert 198 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: at rapist Brett Kavanaugh is a weak man who will 199 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: go along with the crowd. I mean, we know that 200 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: from his personal history. He is. He is a weak 201 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: individual who will do what the stronger men tell him 202 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: to do. That's that's three votes right there. You say 203 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: that Roberts is like, oh, he's concerned about the institution, 204 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: but think about what what that means when you think 205 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 2: about an institutionalist. Roberts just wants the Supreme Court to survive, 206 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: and if surviving means doing whatever Trump tells him to do, 207 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: Roberts will do that for four to eight years. Roberts 208 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: will play the long game of like yes, yes, yes, 209 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: mind Trump, I will you know, rubber stamp your your 210 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: your rulings, your your indicts so that the court may survive, 211 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: is what Roberts is going to say. 212 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: But may survive for what? Just survive for their own 213 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: for their own livelihood, for their own benefit. Because when 214 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about survival, it isn't survival so that you 215 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: can what undo the things that you're doing now, It's 216 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: survival for your own will right. 217 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: Right there, Thoughts, But. 218 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: Talk to me like because here, because when I hear institution, 219 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: do you know whose name comes up? Merrick Garland. When 220 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: I hear institution, I think of these people that care 221 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: more about a brick and mortar building and their own 222 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: power and privilege inside of it, and less about what 223 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: that institution is supposed to be doing in order to 224 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: uphold our ideology that surrounds democracy, right, Like, that's what 225 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: That's what I hear. So when you say the preservation 226 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: of an institution, so I'm like, oh, that nice building 227 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: in Washington, DC that says equality above it but doesn't 228 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: actually serve anyone equally. 229 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: Yes, that's you're right. But they care about they care 230 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: about the preservation of building. You know. One of the 231 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: one of the analogies I like to bring up to 232 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: people is like, look what happened to Rome as it 233 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: switched from republic to dictatorship rights as it switched from 234 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: republic to empire, they kept the Senate. The Roman Senate 235 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: that existed in the Roman Republic was still there for 236 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: a large part of the Roman Empire. Now in the 237 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: empire stage, the Senate didn't have any power. Augustus Caesar 238 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: was not consulting the senate. Caligula was not consulting a senate. 239 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: He was actually making his horse a senator to like 240 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: troll them, essentially. But the Senate as an institution was 241 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: still there. There were still people who were elected to 242 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: the Senate, and they were privileged people who got perks 243 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: and you know, were treated nicely, and they just didn't 244 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: have a power anymore. That's how the bascist deals with 245 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: a court system. And that's the kind of institutional preservation 246 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: that people like Merrick Carlin and John Roberts, they're the 247 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: same guy, They're fundamentally they all look the same to me. 248 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: That's that is the kind of institutional prerogative that they're 249 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: trying to prodict. They just want the institution to survive. 250 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: They don't really care if it doesn't have any more power. 251 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: The other thing you have to remember is that from 252 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: their perspective, Trump ain't gonna live forever, and the people 253 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: that he is going to hurt while he's alive are 254 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: not them. And that is that is something that is 255 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: fundamental to why there are people like Garland Roberts, you know, Gorsic, 256 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: There are people like that because they fundamentally understand that 257 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: Trump is not coming for. 258 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: Them, right, just like Donald Trump said, take down the Magatrons. 259 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: They're not here to harm me, right, And so the 260 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: Court and the Department of Justice say, oh, don't take 261 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: up these cases or take up those cases, because at 262 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: the end of the day, whether I take you overturn 263 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: Roe vw Weight, or overturn affirmative action, or just deny 264 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: mass protests in three states, or whether I shut down 265 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: this or that the other thing, it's not coming back 266 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: to me. But because they don't care about the collective, 267 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: we let me ask you really quick before I move 268 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: on to what's happening on the university campuses. I want 269 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: to talk about the McKesson case. So, Dury McKesson, I 270 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: want to remind the listeners came into our like sphere 271 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: right in terms of progressive politics, Black lives matter. During Ferguson, 272 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: he was on the ground and he was reporting, and 273 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: before cable News decided to pick up their cameras and 274 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: start to cover the story, he was there and he 275 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: was covering the story on the ground with several other people, 276 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: and from there, his kind of his media, his presence 277 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: blew up from there, and so he was organizing protests 278 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: and what have you. So we organizes a protest in Louisiana, 279 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: and in Louisiana right after the murder of Alton Sterling 280 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: in Louisiana, he organizes a protest and during that protest, 281 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: police officers were harmed, right, and the police officer decided 282 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: to sue Deray McKesson because he's the organizer of the protest, 283 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: which means that I guess he's responsible for anyone and 284 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: everyone that could possibly show up on that day. The 285 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: case goes up to the Supreme Court, and last week 286 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said, we're gonna let the lower court 287 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: decisions stand. We're not even gonna hear this, so Deray 288 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: is still on the hook for the damages that this 289 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: officer is seeking. And the Supreme Court then essentially says, 290 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: if you organize mass protests in Louisiana, in Texas and 291 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: what is the other. 292 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: State Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi. 293 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: And Mississippi, you can be liable, right held accountable for 294 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: any violence that even if the violence is not coming 295 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: from your group. If a white supremacist were to come 296 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: up to a BLM and start, you know arson, you 297 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: know arson, blow up the whole place, doesn't matter. Make 298 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: this make sense for me. 299 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: I can't make it make sense. I have been following 300 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: this case since twenty seventeen because I have recognized it 301 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: as one of the most insidious attacks against the First 302 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: Amendment and black people and the right for black people 303 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: to protest, which, as you well know, Danielle, has been 304 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: fairly key to our tour to us on the come up. 305 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: We need need the right to protest as much more 306 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: than any other people in this country, I believe, and 307 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: they this is how they are. This is this version 308 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: of them trying to take it away from us. They've 309 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: tried in the past, They've succeeded at some times in 310 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: the past. This is the modern version of trying to 311 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: crush black voices. And yes, it starts with Deray. He's 312 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: in Baton Ridge, Louisiana. He organizes the protest at the 313 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: police station in Baton Rouge, because the police in Baton 314 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 2: Rouge are the people who killed Alton Sterling. At that protest, 315 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: somebody throws a rock that hits a cop in a face, 316 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: in this face and injures them. I don't know who 317 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: threw the rock, Danielle. Do you know who threw the rock? Nope, 318 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: Deray does not know who threw the rock. Now, just 319 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: to be clear, and Dey did not throw the rock. Right. 320 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: If I knew who threw the rock, to be clear, 321 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: I wouldn't tell you. But I don't know who threw 322 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 2: the rock, and neither do the cops. The rock thrower 323 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: has never been found. So instead of finding the rock 324 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: thrower and suing the rock thrower for the damages for 325 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: throwing the rock at the police officers, as you said, 326 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: they arrested and they charged Deray for organizing the protests. 327 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: He was one of many organizers of that protest, but 328 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: they say that he was the organizer and they say 329 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: that he was negligent by organizing their protests in front 330 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 2: of the police station, because that's inherently violent. Where the 331 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: fuck else are you supposed to protest the police? What? 332 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: You want us to go to their houses? Nah, I 333 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: don't think you'd like that any better. So he organizes 334 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: the protests in front of the police station, the public 335 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: fricking police station, all of the cops that killed this man, 336 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: Alton Sterling. And they said that was inherently negligent. And 337 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: so it went all the way up to the Fifth Circuit, 338 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: and then the Fifth Circuit ruled against them, and now 339 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: it's gone to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court 340 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: says that the negligence charge can continue. They charged them 341 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 2: with a lot else too. They charged him with in 342 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: signing the riot. They charged them with colluding with the 343 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: rock thrower that nobody has ever frowned. Those charges went away, 344 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: but this negligence charge remains on the Fifth Circuit. There 345 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: was a descent from a from a Fifth Circuit judge 346 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: that was so on point, because the judge and descent 347 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 2: was like, if this is the standard, exactly as you 348 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 2: just said, Danielle, any person YEP can show up to 349 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: a protest YEP, that they disagree with, start some mess, 350 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: start some violence, and get the protest organizers in trouble 351 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: for something not just that they didn't organize or attend, 352 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: but for something that was literally done to embarrass them 353 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: and hurt their organization. Again, we don't know who the 354 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 2: rock thrower is. Maybe the rock thrower was part of 355 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: the Black Lives Matter protest. 356 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: Maybe the rock thrower was an undercovered cop maybecover cop. 357 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 3: Maybe there were a rock throw Maybe the rock thrower 358 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: was trying to throw the rocket to Ray and missed 359 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: right like that. There are infinite possibilities here because nobody's 360 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: ever found the fucking rock thrower. 361 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: But Deray is the one who gets in trouble. So 362 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: now Deray is gonna have to go to trial in 363 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: Louisiana where he will probably lose, appeal that case to 364 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: the Fifth Circuit where he will probably lose, and then 365 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: go back to the Supreme Court, where we all assume 366 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: on appeal after a conviction. 367 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: He will probably lose. 368 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: And what's the point of this. The point is not 369 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: even about Deray at this point. 370 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Now. 371 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: The point is about you and me and any other 372 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: activist or organizer who thinks about planning a protest. Be 373 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: aware is what the courts are saying. Be aware that 374 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: if you do plan a protests and anything goes wrong, 375 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: we're gonna sue your organization into oblivion. It's to chill protests, 376 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: specifically against the cops, but really for anybody who's not 377 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: well funded. Let me tell you something. Those protesters are. 378 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: They're not No, we don't got no money. 379 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: But that's that's the point. 380 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: So that's what they're trying to do to take it 381 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: away from us. 382 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: Let me now transition with this with just a couple 383 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: of minutes that I that I have left with you 384 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: to what is happening on the university campuses Colombia, m I, T, NYU, 385 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: Berkeley and others. But let's start with Colombia, where hundreds 386 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: of students have been arrested, where the claims are that 387 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: they have gotten violent, which is why the police were 388 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: called in. But according to the organizers and Columbia University, 389 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: the people that were violent and using anti Semitic slurs 390 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: and all of those things where people outside of Colombia. 391 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: They were on the fringes of the camp and not 392 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: those on the campus. What do you make of what 393 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: has unfolded there and what is unfolding as the semester 394 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: comes to an end. 395 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: Danielle, do you remember Charlottesville, the t torch I do, 396 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: protesting and sharpes. 397 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Fillem, Yes, I did. 398 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: Jews will not replace us, and it was yes racist. 399 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: It was entirely anti Semitic that were waving teach tea torches. 400 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: If you think about the images from that, there's one 401 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: particular guy. A lot of people focus on these white 402 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: guys slip back air, super angry face shouting you know, 403 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 2: we will not replace us, talking about Jews in one 404 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: of the most obviously anti Semitic things that people have 405 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: seen in a generation. He was allowed to graduate from 406 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 2: college after the protests that that guy was part of. 407 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: He was not arrested, he was not fine. T He 408 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: torched anger and anti jew man was allowed to graduate 409 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: from college. So I wonder, I wonder if people can 410 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 2: explain to me why Palestinian students are not being allowed 411 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 2: to graduate from college. I wonder if you can explain 412 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: to me why Palestinian students that they are accusing of 413 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: being anti Semitic are not allowed to be able to 414 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: graduate at the same rate as people who are literally 415 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: out in the street waving tiki torches, saying Jews will 416 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: not replace this. John Fetterman, the Christen cinema of our day, 417 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: has decided to make the connection between what's happening on 418 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: campuses at Columbia and NYU with what happens in Charletesville. 419 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: And so I would like to ask John Speederman why 420 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 2: the tiki torch waivers in Charlottesville were allowed to graduate 421 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: from college, since he thinks they're the same thing. I 422 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: don't think they're the same thing. He thinks they're the 423 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: same thing. If he thinks they're the same thing, why 424 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: are the white kids who did it against Jewish people 425 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: allowed to graduate from college, but palis Indian kids are 426 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: not being allowed to graduate from college. That's the hypocrisy. 427 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 2: I would like John Fetterman roll his ass up here 428 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: and freaking explain, but of course he can't. Of course 429 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: he won't because the reason the difference is obvious on 430 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: the face of their skin. The difference here is not 431 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: the message. It's not the violence, it's not the threads 432 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: of violence, it's not any of the things these people say. 433 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: It is the fact that the Palestinian kids are brown 434 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: and the white supremacists are white, and that is the difference, 435 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: and it's obvious and it's sickening, and it is the 436 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: country that we live in. I am almost embarrassed that 437 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: I'm angry because anger suggests surprise that. 438 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: You are surprised. Oh lord, mm hmmm, yes it does. 439 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: But you know what, Ellie, here, here's what I will 440 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: say is that if we are not angry, then we 441 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: are numb. And I would rather be angry than be numb. 442 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: I would rather be angry than be complacent. I would 443 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: rather be angry than be ignorant. And so if it 444 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: is a consistent, you know, fury of anger that takes 445 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: us over, then we're paying attention, right, and everyone should 446 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: be angry, and everyone should be paying attention because the 447 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: hippo they're not even trying to hide the hypocrisy. The 448 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: hypocrisy is just there and they're saying, and so what 449 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: fuck you? What are you going to do about it? 450 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: And so that's that to me, that's the question that 451 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: I will end it on, which is, so, then what 452 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: are you going to do about it? Right? And I 453 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: think that this young generation is figuring that out because 454 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: what they're figuring out is that the rest of this. 455 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: What they've been sold is a fucking scam and they 456 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: are over it. As always, my friend Ellie, it is 457 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: great to have you back. Thank you so much as 458 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: always for making the time for WOKF. We appreciate you. 459 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me on. 460 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on WOKF. 461 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: As always, power to the people and to all the people. Power, 462 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.