Speaker 1: On today's episode The Command Center Podcast, we talk Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett requesting a trade and.
Speaker 2: We talk about what we think his value actually is.
Speaker 1: Free agency is coming up, there's a lot of free
Speaker 1: agents pending for agents on this team, got the benefits
Speaker 1: of a lot of turnover and what's important about keeping
Speaker 1: here in Washington and we do.
Speaker 2: Risk it for the Biscuit super Bowl preview.
Speaker 1: Yes, Fred is wishing for love, man, He's betting on
Speaker 1: love in this game and not this City of Brothers.
Speaker 2: All starts right now. Welcome to The Command Center Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred Spoot and Satanamus and
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Speaker 1: Shake Tomorrow, and we are in full off season swing
Speaker 1: here and there.
Speaker 3: We made it to the season late this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did my first draft simulations last week.
Speaker 5: Like usually I'm like, I'm mean it like in January.
Speaker 3: I did my first one the other day and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this draft is it's kind of iffy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd be in the fall because I'm kind of
Speaker 6: like lost.
Speaker 3: I haven't been in this I haven't got into things
Speaker 3: this late.
Speaker 6: So I'm sitting here like a Damn, I feel like
Speaker 6: I'm waiting for something else to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like now it's over ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this year was definitely a way different, like pushing
Speaker 1: everything back, Like you know, Jason and I go down
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl every year. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: like game I came in on Monday for work, we
Speaker 1: left on Tuesday and was gone for the whole week,
Speaker 1: and I was just like it was just how tight
Speaker 1: it all was like, and how the prep is different now.
Speaker 1: But it was good to be winning games in the
Speaker 1: playoffs and getting to this point. But now we got
Speaker 1: to talk free agency, and so this team is in
Speaker 1: a very unique situation. Fred In Santana, they have twenty
Speaker 1: nine free agents, right, yeah, half it's half a team,
Speaker 1: half a roster, like, yeah, at least it's a little
Speaker 1: over half. Yeah, because we've got fifty three guys on
Speaker 1: the active roster, right, twenty nine. Do the math there
Speaker 1: for yourself. So obviously there's gonna be a lot of turnover.
Speaker 2: Here, right. Is that a good thing or is that
Speaker 2: a bad thing?
Speaker 1: And I think, and to cut you off at the past,
Speaker 1: there's probably good things about it, and there's probably bad
Speaker 1: things about it.
Speaker 5: Okay, can I ask you some logan, Yes, is it
Speaker 5: guaranteed it is going to be as much turnover because
Speaker 5: of it?
Speaker 3: The is twenty nine? Do you think they want to
Speaker 3: at least keep.
Speaker 5: Half of those dudes so their roster is not fully
Speaker 5: changed though? Just because they are free agent don't mean
Speaker 5: they leave it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so basically they're not they're they're pending free
Speaker 1: agents because like you're not technically a free agent until
Speaker 1: sometime in May end of the league year, right, So
Speaker 1: we're talking about guys that are not renewed for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I think that's a good question.
Speaker 1: I think that's ultimately what you're trying to do, right
Speaker 1: is bring make sure you're bringing a percentage back. I
Speaker 1: think the thing is who are you going to bring back?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Because there are some interesting people here, Like there's some
Speaker 1: old guys that need to be coming back because leadership
Speaker 1: and production all those different things. But is there anything
Speaker 1: to kind of to be able to say we're going
Speaker 1: to turn over maybe over half these guys maybe you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like not bring back half of them?
Speaker 2: Is there a benefit to that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think you bring back you try to bring
Speaker 3: back half of them.
Speaker 5: But then you ask yourself, now, now that I got
Speaker 5: these baseline guys back, which position do I want to
Speaker 5: upgrade and how do I want to proceed by doing that.
Speaker 5: Am I gonna upgrade this position through the draft? I'm
Speaker 5: gonna upgrade this position through free agency.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the thing.
Speaker 5: And you're right, it's some guys on here, legit starters
Speaker 5: contributed to this team that I think you got to
Speaker 5: sit back and take a long look. And that don't
Speaker 5: mean you're just looking at I own free agents. You're
Speaker 5: looking at other free agents too, and say, can I upgrade?
Speaker 5: Did this guy get better as the year go on?
Speaker 3: And is he what coach Gibbs used to call a
Speaker 3: core commander? Is he a core guy?
Speaker 6: Speaking to that, I think having those core guys, I
Speaker 6: mean we're not even still having those core guys. Having
Speaker 6: a season that we had last year gives the commander's
Speaker 6: staff for leverage. I'm saying that, Okay, some of these guys,
Speaker 6: whether they play excellent or not, they gonna say, man,
Speaker 6: I take let's to come and stay here. So I
Speaker 6: think we have that going for us. And then you
Speaker 6: know we ain't like God I honestly see a bunch
Speaker 6: of these guys names just not not calling any like man,
Speaker 6: look at man, run it back with me.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You give me a change,
Speaker 3: give me what you gave me last year.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, Because when you have a team,
Speaker 6: you know there's success beyond just you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: getting that paycheck.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's one hundred percent right, And I think,
Speaker 1: like it's interesting because I like what you said.
Speaker 2: There are they core guys.
Speaker 1: And this is something I always have a hard time
Speaker 1: when people like, oh, look and who they're going to
Speaker 1: bing breack, Like it's like I gotta watch, right, they
Speaker 1: got a nice watch. I like to watch, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to give it to you and you say, well,
Speaker 1: how much is it? Because it doesn't If I say
Speaker 1: it's ten bucks, You're like, hell, yeah, come on down,
Speaker 1: come on back. But I'm like, hey, it's it's fifty grand.
Speaker 1: You're like, maybe I'll find it different.
Speaker 5: What the bad is in there personally for you because
Speaker 5: it's sentimental bag correct, But the value I don't see
Speaker 5: that value on the outside. So maybe people on the
Speaker 5: outside in the NFL don't value some of these guys,
Speaker 5: it's heavily as we do. Especially when you talk about
Speaker 5: just one game I would throw out there, Bobby wagg Yeah, right,
Speaker 5: that's a great that's a great point. We're talking about intangibles,
Speaker 5: we're talking about leadership, we're talking about setting the tone,
Speaker 5: we're talking about betting there done that.
Speaker 3: I got more reasons to bring you back than just money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also his relationship to Jade, And I think
Speaker 1: that's something that's huge, right, It's like there's there's intrinsic
Speaker 1: like when you say core commander. I like the way
Speaker 1: you said that, right, because it's guys that imbody the culture.
Speaker 1: They played a certain way, they have a certain leadership
Speaker 1: and mentorship style. Now is their role going to be
Speaker 1: the same. Like so, for example, I could bring Bobby back,
Speaker 1: but I could also draft a young linebacker, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for him to mentor and teach.
Speaker 1: And again because you always with an older player like Bobby,
Speaker 1: who again is going to be a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again his impact on this roster is like indisputable
Speaker 1: time waves for no man, No, what's the contingency if
Speaker 1: you do bring him back?
Speaker 2: What do you think is appropriate? The numbers?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Works for both parties. I think you still need a
Speaker 1: prep So maybe you find a young free agent linebacker,
Speaker 1: you find a guy in the draft, and that's where it,
Speaker 1: like it becomes a little bit different because it does
Speaker 1: change how you're building the team after that.
Speaker 6: And to forget too, we have a young linebacker who
Speaker 6: I think he's probably was mentaling a lot last year.
Speaker 6: He didn't he didn't play on me. So I'm like,
Speaker 6: trust me. When you throw a name like that, that's
Speaker 6: an obvious name. You know, that's a guy that we
Speaker 6: don't even have to talk about when it comes to
Speaker 6: you know what level of I guess you could say.
Speaker 3: Interesting, we gott in him. Here you go.
Speaker 1: And again, like we're not saying that Adam has to
Speaker 1: bring this guy back.
Speaker 3: This is just our opinion, because it's just common sense.
Speaker 1: Adam is this is the one thing, Like we know
Speaker 1: a lot about this team. We covered this team, we
Speaker 1: talked to people a lot. But I got bumped into Adam,
Speaker 1: you know, down at the Senior Bowl briefly, and I
Speaker 1: was just like the amount of stuff this guy has
Speaker 1: to know is insane. Like he's talking to the director
Speaker 1: of college scouting, he's meeting with prospects, he's thinking about
Speaker 1: what he's doing with coaches and for like the amount
Speaker 1: of information he's got his disposals to So this is
Speaker 1: just our opinion here. Yeah, right, but I think yeah,
Speaker 1: based on what we've heard and seen from Bobby. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: a guy that I think is really interesting. Let's start,
Speaker 1: let's go by position, Yeah, John Bates zach Ertz. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that to me is so interesting because you're not going
Speaker 1: to find a better blocking why than John Bates in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And zach Ertz had seventy seven catches last
Speaker 1: year in this offense.
Speaker 2: But he's also thirty four.
Speaker 5: Years and after to say he's thirty four years old
Speaker 5: with gas in the tank.
Speaker 3: That's what he proved to me.
Speaker 5: My age is what it is with gas in the tank. Now,
Speaker 5: if I'm building this team and I got to pick
Speaker 5: between the two, I'm going with zach Ertz. I'm going
Speaker 5: with zach Kertz. But in my mind's eye, if I'm like,
Speaker 5: because I'm trying to build a championship one dough, in
Speaker 5: my mind's eye, a couple of guys that started for
Speaker 5: us last year, if they're your second screen guy, that
Speaker 5: means your depth is that much better and your team
Speaker 5: is that much talenty.
Speaker 1: Talk about that. That's a interesting point because like again,
Speaker 1: like you can resign a guy and I can layer there.
Speaker 1: I can layer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can layer stuff in there.
Speaker 5: Like if I bringing in if I bring zach Ertz back,
Speaker 5: and then I'm just throwing it out that hypothetic I
Speaker 5: go trade for a cow pits hypothetically, and now zach
Speaker 5: Ertz is my number two tight end who I'm gonna
Speaker 5: still put.
Speaker 3: On the field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I just I want to stack positions
Speaker 5: because I feel like we got to the end of
Speaker 5: the playoffs and it showed us where we had depth problems.
Speaker 1: Think, this is a this is this is the point, right,
Speaker 1: Like we love like I if I read every name
Speaker 1: on this list after the Sea, I love all these guys.
Speaker 1: But the thing when you're in that big chair, when
Speaker 1: you're the GM chair, you can't think about, oh, I
Speaker 1: really like John Bates. I got to make the best
Speaker 1: tight end room possible I can for the dollar amount,
Speaker 1: And so it's always about how do you improve? And
Speaker 1: I think that's the underlying thing, right, And I do
Speaker 1: think like to me, when I watched John play, to me,
Speaker 1: he's a core commander, right, but to your point, Fred,
Speaker 1: it's like John Bates and then can we add like,
Speaker 1: can we add to that room? Can we say zach
Speaker 1: Ertz and somebody else and benson it and have that
Speaker 1: group of four be really dynamic?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you've been in situations.
Speaker 6: So my question would be what y'all mentioned in them
Speaker 6: two names? And like I said, this is just us
Speaker 6: speculating would you go for the season guy or the
Speaker 6: younger guy? And then add I won't.
Speaker 5: I won't because him he was he was, like I know,
Speaker 5: he was so damn good like this year. It's hard
Speaker 5: to quantify how he you know, how we talk about
Speaker 5: the safety blanket and midfield beyond the same.
Speaker 1: That's where that's where I get worried about not bringing
Speaker 1: him back. Like Jayden has this relationship with him. You
Speaker 1: can trust him on third down. He can win a
Speaker 1: man situation, situations, he can win in the red zone,
Speaker 1: and so losing that production is scary to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why I can't lose him.
Speaker 5: I want him to be a part of his team,
Speaker 5: no matter if you one eye too, I really for
Speaker 5: you to be a two because you know he gonna
Speaker 5: show up regards regardless. And when I do my two
Speaker 5: tight end sets, both tight ends three, and I.
Speaker 1: Think people forget that when they brought him in, they
Speaker 1: wanted him to be a rotational third down red zone
Speaker 1: g Yeah.
Speaker 2: So basically the role he was supposed to have this year,
Speaker 2: you can't have next year because we.
Speaker 3: Needed him to do more.
Speaker 6: If somebody compete, some compeace for that level and compet
Speaker 6: to that level, and you know.
Speaker 3: Autright, I'm fired with that. But he the guy in
Speaker 3: the tight end room there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the other interesting one and again
Speaker 1: we're gonna look at a couple of different positions. Here
Speaker 1: is the receiver room. You got Dianny Brown, you got
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, you got Jamison Crowd, and you got oz Right.
Speaker 1: All those guys.
Speaker 5: They this year they he go to the crazy thing
Speaker 5: about the four guys you just name.
Speaker 3: They kind of did this rotation yearly.
Speaker 5: It's the number two and whenever they number was called,
Speaker 5: and they do it different ways.
Speaker 3: Whenever they numbers was called, showed up. They showed up.
Speaker 5: Now we just talked about upgrading the room. If I'm
Speaker 5: an upgrade the room, I hate to say it, I
Speaker 5: might can't sign with two out of.
Speaker 2: The four I think that's fair. Yep, that's fair.
Speaker 3: I see that.
Speaker 5: And this means I got to pick between one of
Speaker 5: the Brown brothers o Z. And listen, if anybody has
Speaker 5: grown on me like a mold, I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 5: James and crowd dude.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, is like, when you talk about
Speaker 1: commanders guys, I don't think you could look at any
Speaker 1: one of those four guys and say they're not commanders.
Speaker 1: But what I also will say is like I had
Speaker 1: a conversation with Adam Peters when I got my last
Speaker 1: year in San Francisco. Any basically like, yeah, Logan, we'd
Speaker 1: love to have you back. You're a core guy for us.
Speaker 1: We think you bring a good culture element.
Speaker 4: But but but but we want we want to get
Speaker 4: better at the room, right, so you would be the
Speaker 4: third rotational guy, kind of special teams up and down
Speaker 4: on the roster, practice squad, bouncing back and forth.
Speaker 1: And but I think that's the conversation you got to
Speaker 1: have here, is like, even though Noah Brown, Diammy Brown,
Speaker 1: Jamison crowder Oz are all probably really solid depth pieces
Speaker 1: with two upside, do you say we want you back,
Speaker 1: but we're going to continue to look for that true
Speaker 1: number two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now here go to think about it.
Speaker 5: Did either of these guys play themself to the point
Speaker 5: that other teams questions, like, if you say it, who
Speaker 5: had the best season out of these four?
Speaker 3: I would say Noah, Yeah, I would say Noel Brown.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 5: Now, do I think Diamy opened some eyes? Not people
Speaker 5: young enough to have that chancel. So it's kind of
Speaker 5: like supply and demand on this one. I think a
Speaker 5: guy like Oz, even though he made some plays, I
Speaker 5: would think they'll probably go after the Brown brothers more.
Speaker 6: I say I make it. I mean, I won't even
Speaker 6: go I want It's not that hard. You look at
Speaker 6: the guy who's, like you said, a core guy who's
Speaker 6: a veteran who I know is gonna produce and I
Speaker 6: can get cheap. That's crowded boom, So I'm locking him
Speaker 6: down a sap. Then now I'm gonna pick through the
Speaker 6: next the last three. Okay, I'm gonna bring a guy
Speaker 6: in probably that's gonna fight one of these guys for
Speaker 6: that true number two positions. So who's the guy that
Speaker 6: I know that would be cheaper, but that's gonna get
Speaker 6: me the same production?
Speaker 3: Now you now you weigh those options that way, I.
Speaker 6: Look at Nor and I look at Diaman, and I'm
Speaker 6: saying to myself, Nor probably not want to go nowhere
Speaker 6: and get.
Speaker 3: In the contract.
Speaker 6: But is he willing to compete for that second job?
Speaker 6: As I bring a guy in that's probably I'm gonna
Speaker 6: have a give.
Speaker 2: His whole career j on this list.
Speaker 6: By the way, Aft, Oh yeah, you forgot about kJ
Speaker 6: but then you got the kids and a guy like
Speaker 6: Diyami Diamy I believe truly, being that he has his
Speaker 6: youof and he showed up, He's going on.
Speaker 3: Somebody gonna want to use. Somebody is going to try
Speaker 3: to sign him like this.
Speaker 5: His agent won't let him rush to re sign with us.
Speaker 3: His agent gonna try to tear him.
Speaker 5: Be patient, let this thing play out a lib bit
Speaker 5: where Jameison what a contract hit? M hm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think that's another thing to think about too,
Speaker 1: is they could this is again hypothetical university, you could.
Speaker 1: You could resign all five of these guys, But then
Speaker 1: you're gonna when trading camp comes, you're gonna cut cut
Speaker 1: two of them, right, because you've brought in two other
Speaker 1: people that either in the free agency or in the draft.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing is like when I was the
Speaker 1: longer I was around, the more I was like kind
Speaker 1: of a bottom of the roster guy. Is you see,
Speaker 1: like guys want a foundational elements of their roster where
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we feel good if we don't get somebody,
Speaker 1: but we're looking for somebody. And so here's a room
Speaker 1: where I think all these guys could maybe should be back,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna find a piece, you know, And like
Speaker 1: the big name floating around is Twins, Chris Godwin, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Trade whatever it looks like.
Speaker 1: Right, get that piece in there. And then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well now now now we can trim the fat and
Speaker 1: get guys out. We need to get guys out. And
Speaker 1: I think the one thing about Adam Peters from my
Speaker 1: own experience dealing with him, is he told me he's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like we want you back, but this is the score.
Speaker 1: At least he was straight up with me, so I
Speaker 1: could make a decision as a veteran and say, well
Speaker 1: that's cool, I'm gonna go look someplace else.
Speaker 2: And that's something I always appreciate.
Speaker 5: And we also know when you are not the legit
Speaker 5: one or two special teams is how you make it.
Speaker 5: And when I look down this list, I don't you
Speaker 5: know it's the Keys play special teams and they got the.
Speaker 3: Two main special team people.
Speaker 5: So as I continue to check these things, crowd of
Speaker 5: continues to.
Speaker 3: Come back up.
Speaker 5: And then I say, I have to pick between one
Speaker 5: of the Brown brothers.
Speaker 3: I just feel like I can't have both. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: probably both the play special teams too. He was gone.
Speaker 1: But if you have that conversation, if you're at them right,
Speaker 1: like one of those guys is going to be like
Speaker 1: probably not, you know, like I got a better opportunity.
Speaker 1: So I think that's where again, like that's why it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I think they all could come back. All maybe you
Speaker 1: should deserve to come back, but just just know another
Speaker 1: person is gonna come.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we all know that most of these decisions
Speaker 6: I made regardless of how good the team is and
Speaker 6: regardless of how much these guys want to be around
Speaker 6: something winning and winning formula like we have here to play.
Speaker 6: They want to also get the max to what they
Speaker 6: feel like the state's career out, you know, for their potential.
Speaker 6: You know where they at, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: So if they see money elsewhere, they're gonna have to go.
Speaker 6: Some of those guys gonna say, hey, man, it just
Speaker 6: makes more sense for me to go elsewhere if good
Speaker 6: teams lose good players.
Speaker 3: This is part of it.
Speaker 1: And then the other one, the other position group I
Speaker 1: just wanted to call attention to. And then I got
Speaker 1: a question about one specific guy. So this is the
Speaker 1: last we're gonna do a position group. It's Michael Dieter,
Speaker 1: Cornelius Lucas, Trent Scott. All three offensive linemen, all three
Speaker 1: swing offensive players are up as free agents. Do you
Speaker 1: try to resign some of those guys.
Speaker 5: You have to have I got I got to resign
Speaker 5: Theater all right, even though it didn't end well at
Speaker 5: the end of season.
Speaker 3: He played good in spots.
Speaker 5: I just got to have a backup center most definitely,
Speaker 5: and he could play guard. Yeah, all right, you brought
Speaker 5: something to me with Connel years Luke, because he's about
Speaker 5: to be thirty five years up thirty six. Even though
Speaker 5: his play didn't win, he's been he's been doing a
Speaker 5: great job.
Speaker 3: So this and guess what.
Speaker 5: And I also can get him at a commander's fee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just the whole thing.
Speaker 5: But then you got Trench Scott over there, has Trench
Speaker 5: Gott played enough that some other team wants to make
Speaker 5: them him there, Wiley, He's.
Speaker 1: A guy that you probably say, here's like maybe Vetman,
Speaker 1: you know, plus just a little bit above like stick around.
Speaker 1: We like what you did here, and then if someone
Speaker 1: else offers him something better, maybe he goes a different direction.
Speaker 1: But that's a tough spot because, like Tennis said, like
Speaker 1: offensive line death is so underrated in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: offensive line consistency in that death is underrated. So I
Speaker 1: think you try to make a swing for two of
Speaker 1: those two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say you have to because it's crazy.
Speaker 6: When we was going through the season and how good
Speaker 6: we was playing offensive line wise, the only thing was
Speaker 6: in the back of my head was like stay help. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you saw what happened. Then he got bit by that
Speaker 6: bull late in the series. Indeed, it was almost that's
Speaker 6: the worst in the critical time that you don't need
Speaker 6: to be experiencing that. So depth was key, and I
Speaker 6: think having a guy like Lucas, having Deeda, having Trince
Speaker 6: Catt on our team show that we had enough depth
Speaker 6: to go out there and play with guys that could
Speaker 6: still go out there and win.
Speaker 3: Us some ball game.
Speaker 5: Don't forget Tris Scott. I think he caught James Daniel's
Speaker 5: first test. Dad, did he did?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Since he fought for that ball did Yeah?
Speaker 1: He did a great job. Man, that was like really impressive. Actually,
Speaker 1: now got.
Speaker 3: All about that. It's got the other one.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about just as one guy
Speaker 1: in particular, and I think I know the answer, but
Speaker 1: I thought I just poison to you is uh, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously there's some defensive lineman, there's some kickers on here.
Speaker 1: I think those those same depth conversations apply to some
Speaker 1: of these guys. The one guy on here that really
Speaker 1: jumps out to me is Jeremy Chin. What if if
Speaker 1: you were putting the GM hot on in an all
Speaker 1: three universe. Again, we're not saying what Adam Peters should do,
Speaker 1: but for you guys, yeah, like what does that contract
Speaker 1: look like? And how important is that he is back?
Speaker 3: I don't know what the dollar gonna be.
Speaker 6: I get to that the lay the day, but I'll
Speaker 6: be saying, hey, make sure you get that key ready
Speaker 6: for that vault over there, because I gotta I gotta
Speaker 6: go ahead, and I gotta I gotta get somebody what
Speaker 6: he's doing, you know what I mean. I just feel
Speaker 6: like when you have and it's and we all might
Speaker 6: have different opinions about this, but I say, for what
Speaker 6: we do defensively, especially in our secondary and knowing how
Speaker 6: shaky it was at time at the cornerback position, what Chin,
Speaker 6: what Chin showed us that he can do.
Speaker 3: And be that guy you don't know.
Speaker 6: If he's lining up in the nickel, you don't know,
Speaker 6: if he's lining up at linebacker, you don't know what.
Speaker 3: And then he's at safety.
Speaker 6: That alan to me where I'm gonna get that talent from,
Speaker 6: where I'm gonna get that size, from where I'm gonna
Speaker 6: get that style of play from.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to esewhere when I have it already
Speaker 3: at home. I'm paying them.
Speaker 5: He one of my long term dudes I want to
Speaker 5: bring and all right now doesn't take Fowler is the
Speaker 5: one that I'm kind of.
Speaker 3: But I think he gonna I think his ticket just
Speaker 3: That's what.
Speaker 5: I'm say saying, But I think also in the back
Speaker 5: of his head he not trying to lead coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. I'm living proof of that.
Speaker 5: Like I've found my way back to Greg Williams and
Speaker 5: this defense allows him to be him him because he
Speaker 5: didn't see himself play for another team and not produce
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 3: So the two guys right now here.
Speaker 6: But you don't think Filer is still in a situation
Speaker 6: right now where he can get a big deal somewhere
Speaker 6: like do it come here?
Speaker 3: Do it come from us?
Speaker 5: You think even though he had a lot of sex.
Speaker 5: I wonder how the rest of the NFL you will sit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what? Can he be every down back
Speaker 3: and do that?
Speaker 5: And the question is do they let him test the
Speaker 5: market before you sign them to see where the baseline at,
Speaker 5: to see if it's gonna be ludicrous.
Speaker 3: I look at Filer situation.
Speaker 6: I look at Filer situation like me being a Tyreek
Speaker 6: Hill and I know my I know my skill set.
Speaker 6: I want the offense that's going to allow me to
Speaker 6: exploit what I do.
Speaker 3: Well, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So if I'm on Tyreek Hill, I'm not trying to
Speaker 6: go and be in the every down and be on
Speaker 6: the outside as a receiver and get money. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: stay somewhere in that Mike McDaniel's style offense. Whether that's
Speaker 6: gonna be with Mike mcdame's it's gonna be somewhere that's
Speaker 6: gonna allow me to move around and be Leathal now
Speaker 6: follows the same way. He has a skill set where
Speaker 6: if he's just putting his foot his hand in the ground,
Speaker 6: he every down. Do we get the same production? You
Speaker 6: see what I'm saying. Do we get that same product?
Speaker 6: He could go get paid somewhere and they say, well,
Speaker 6: we don't need to do all that, we just need
Speaker 6: to do this.
Speaker 3: Do we see the same fouler?
Speaker 6: And then now you say, okay, well over here, probably
Speaker 6: probably gonna pay me, might not be what they will,
Speaker 6: but I'm gonna be able to move around, do what
Speaker 6: I do, go out here and blitz when I want
Speaker 6: to do the things that made me special.
Speaker 5: So that's how I look at that situation. And another
Speaker 5: game made himself some money logan. He didn't have like
Speaker 5: crazy numbers or nothing, but he played the entire year,
Speaker 5: played solid in the slot.
Speaker 3: Know what it knocked me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great point, Like he's a guy that
Speaker 5: I don't think his tay up is going to be
Speaker 5: there hot, but his production was good.
Speaker 1: But I think all three of those guys go back
Speaker 1: to guys that played well this year that were that
Speaker 1: seemingly from the outside looking, looked like Commanders guys, right,
Speaker 1: like core commanders guys. So yeah, I think I agree
Speaker 1: with Tanne, like Jeremy Chin, if you get in that
Speaker 1: kind of market value for a plus safety box safety.
Speaker 1: Dante Fallier Junior is interesting. I think he probably sticks
Speaker 1: around because of Dan, because of his role, and I
Speaker 1: think they paid him this year like he was going
Speaker 1: to be a situational pass rusher. He ended up playing
Speaker 1: more because of injuries and guys get nicked up, and
Speaker 1: he did a great job. But I think you kind
Speaker 1: of kind of say to these Echertz you want him
Speaker 1: to be You want to find another person that forces
Speaker 1: Falor to be the situational the same way that Zach
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the situational third down guy this year.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And then I'm really glad you brought up Noig Monogany
Speaker 1: to Fred because he's a guy that I feel like
Speaker 1: did a really.
Speaker 2: Good job in the Nickel.
Speaker 1: And the thing with him is, I think there might
Speaker 1: be more of a market for him long term because
Speaker 1: I think if you get him back in kind of
Speaker 1: a lower tax bracket type number, you probably feel good
Speaker 1: about it. But if if someone offers him to say.
Speaker 5: I can't be mad at I can't be mad at it.
Speaker 5: And my guy, who I think will be the first
Speaker 5: guy signed off this list, trustway, you don't feel to
Speaker 5: say because you're like, no, I.
Speaker 2: Do, I think, I think should sign. I think he
Speaker 2: should be back.
Speaker 1: I just I hate when when like we say something like, oh,
Speaker 1: he should be back, and then he's not back.
Speaker 3: And somebody what happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think and again I think he will be back.
Speaker 2: He should be back the.
Speaker 6: Fresh he's ever been, coming coming off a season he
Speaker 6: didn't did he even put this Listen?
Speaker 3: He did?
Speaker 5: What was that he held the ball and he's always
Speaker 5: been trusty and it's nothing harder talent is a punt
Speaker 5: return then catching a left aspiring ball.
Speaker 6: So I just got I just feel like it's not
Speaker 6: that many in his lead better than them. So I'm like, hey,
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, when you get a
Speaker 6: guy that played as.
Speaker 3: Long as he's played, hell, I was on the team
Speaker 3: with him. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Like, if you get a guy that played as long
Speaker 6: as he's played and coming off a season like this
Speaker 6: year where we did where we didn't even get the chance.
Speaker 6: They really you know, you know, wear nothing, he didn't
Speaker 6: wear nothing out. You know, he was out there fresh,
Speaker 6: basically them to have of the season. So there's no
Speaker 6: question I'm gon bring him back, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So definitely, free agency is always interesting. It's definitely
Speaker 1: interesting when there's so many guys twenty nine guys that
Speaker 1: are that are technically pending free agents, So it's always
Speaker 1: interesting conversations. I think we all think a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys are going to be re signed in some capacity.
Speaker 1: Obviously some will go different ways and they won't extend.
Speaker 1: But there's some really talented football players on here that
Speaker 1: I think really embody the culture. So it's going to
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun to watch how that plays
Speaker 1: out over the next couple months and weeks. The other
Speaker 1: thing is, when we're talking about roster construction, free agencies
Speaker 1: a piece, but also trades are a thing, right, So
Speaker 1: when I look at this, one of the big stories
Speaker 1: that comes out this week is that Miles Garrett requested
Speaker 1: a trade from Cleveland. Yeah, and obviously Miles Garrett is
Speaker 1: an absolute freaky he is, So one of the first
Speaker 1: things that comes to mind is like, what if you
Speaker 1: were to add him and he becomes the rotation peace
Speaker 1: on the defense. Then Deontay Fowler is the kind of
Speaker 1: the situational pass rush guy, and everyone kind of bumps
Speaker 1: into their correct positions. Yes, the problem is trades can
Speaker 1: be expensive. They are expensive, and so just looking at
Speaker 1: this thing right here, you know, producer Jason did such
Speaker 1: a great job. We got khlil Mack was twenty seven
Speaker 1: years old when he was traded from Oakland I think
Speaker 1: at the time to Chicago.
Speaker 2: Was it Oakland or were they in Las Vegas?
Speaker 3: Yeah it was it was ok.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So he was twenty seven coming off a
Speaker 1: ten and a half sax season. He was traded from
Speaker 1: Oakland to Chicago.
Speaker 2: There it is right there.
Speaker 1: Actually, I just kept reading the Bears gave up two
Speaker 1: first round picks, a second round pick, a third round pick,
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick, and a conditional fifth round pick.
Speaker 5: You know what, I haven't felt like the Chicago Bears
Speaker 5: just got whooped on this one since I went bout
Speaker 5: a cart and the eggs yesterday and they was twenty
Speaker 5: three fifty six.
Speaker 2: This man over here, did you practice that this morning?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Right, listen, this was highway robbery.
Speaker 2: Like very expensive.
Speaker 5: Khalil Mack is a he was at this time of
Speaker 5: generational talent. But what they gave.
Speaker 3: Up, bro and to the first round pick.
Speaker 6: Dude, and just a second a third six in a
Speaker 6: condition to fit, you gave.
Speaker 3: Away a whole trial.
Speaker 2: I really think that.
Speaker 1: Honestly, they they have just recently recovered from losing all
Speaker 1: this and then it took them trading the first round.
Speaker 2: Pick last year. It whooping Carolina to do in a trade.
Speaker 6: But the crazy thing about it, like you did that
Speaker 6: for a d N.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well so this is I'm glad you brought that up, Tanna.
Speaker 1: Who are the most valuable positions in sports? In football?
Speaker 1: One quarterback?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, left tackle, left tackle?
Speaker 2: And then then yeah right, so like you can up there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Top cornerstone guys.
Speaker 5: You got this, you got d you got a quarterback,
Speaker 5: you got a change.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And uh, just a reminder, we're filming the show on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: So if we're having this conversation and Miles Garrett has
Speaker 1: already found a home, congratulations to Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it because.
Speaker 1: They didn't know, yes, seriously, But so just to give
Speaker 1: you some context. More context on this. Miles Garrett is
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old, two years older than Khalil mack
Speaker 1: He's coming off of fourteen SAX season and the year
Speaker 1: prior to this he was defensive MVP. He has been
Speaker 1: the highest graded player defensive player in PFF history for
Speaker 1: four years in a row, four years in a row,
Speaker 1: and prior to that, Aaron Donald obviously the guy that
Speaker 1: was doing that. So this, to me is a different
Speaker 1: caliber than Khalil MACKI and this is someone that I
Speaker 1: think it would be interesting to mortgage from draft capitalist.
Speaker 6: You're saying we can't go play up a playoff with him.
Speaker 6: He's the kind of guy that you need players and
Speaker 6: players and pick.
Speaker 1: So in order to get this done, we're going to
Speaker 1: transport ourselves to the Command Center multiverse right for the
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett trade. I'm going to be the GM of
Speaker 1: the Pulsinators, and I want to acquire Miles Garrett from
Speaker 1: fred Smoot and he's the GM of th Smoot Scoots.
Speaker 3: No, I go by the name the alias Freddy Seaffert.
Speaker 2: That's the that's your team name.
Speaker 1: This is my GM name, Freddy C. Freddie Seaffert. In
Speaker 1: the multiverse, what team do you represent?
Speaker 3: I represent the Smoots from Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a football team in Mississippi.
Speaker 3: And so to find Smoots, Tana is gonna betray the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the commissioner. And so what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: is we're just gonna kind of throw I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw out some ideas and Fred's gonna veto and
Speaker 1: Tana is gonna say whether this is okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So for my team, the Pulsinators, I'm picking a little
Speaker 1: bit later in the draft. All right, all right, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna offer a first round pick this year.
Speaker 3: What's the number of the peak.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's between twenty and twenty five? Okay, twenty five?
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna offer next year's first So two first
Speaker 1: round draft picks, all right.
Speaker 3: Now we're cooking with fish grease.
Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna offer fresh Then I'm gonna offer
Speaker 1: a player.
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, Now is this player? Uh pro bowler?
Speaker 3: Good quality? Where's this player?
Speaker 2: I think this player is good? The pro bowler somewhere
Speaker 2: in between.
Speaker 1: I think like they're they're a piece of our team
Speaker 1: that we're really excited about. They've been here for for
Speaker 1: a while. But again, we want to get Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: I'm not right there.
Speaker 1: You gonna make that happen. Yeah, So that's my first offer.
Speaker 1: Would you accept it? Or do I need to sweeten
Speaker 1: the pot?
Speaker 5: No? Hell no, No, this is what I'm gonna need
Speaker 5: you to do. I'm gonna need you to sweeten it up.
Speaker 5: Did you start it off right with the two first
Speaker 5: round picks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you are a good team and you're not
Speaker 3: gonna be picking.
Speaker 5: High like you know, so I'm good with it. That
Speaker 5: player that you intrigued me with, now it's you know,
Speaker 5: I'm getting something, losing something, but I'm getting some bag.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: All I need you to do is dango a couple
Speaker 5: of late round picks in there.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 1: So let's say I'm really you know, we're kind of
Speaker 1: we're kind of early on you know, we're still building.
Speaker 1: I want to keep some draft capital. What's what if
Speaker 1: I threw in another player? What if I threw in
Speaker 1: we have.
Speaker 5: Because you say it, the first one is a defensive player,
Speaker 5: defensive line.
Speaker 1: What if I throw in like an offensive an offense,
Speaker 1: a young offensive player, young offensive lineman. Let's say he's
Speaker 1: he's developmental. We're not really sure where he's going to be.
Speaker 1: We like him here, we want to keep him, but again,
Speaker 1: just to make sure that we get Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: Can we make that happen?
Speaker 3: M hm m hm. And you say a young offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you should say yes, Rod.
Speaker 5: I don't want to say yes because my team is
Speaker 5: already pretty good at the offensive line, and and Depp
Speaker 5: he is smart.
Speaker 3: But what if I wanted your young tight end.
Speaker 2: Young tight end?
Speaker 1: I would definitely if I have a young tight end
Speaker 1: on the roster that I that we're we're also excited
Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, I think that would be a move
Speaker 1: because why Because in this hypothetical multiverse, this year's tight
Speaker 1: end class and the draft is pretty pretty good. So
Speaker 1: I would say yes, yes, that would hurt me a lot.
Speaker 1: But for Miles Garrett that seems Tanne. What are you
Speaker 1: figuring right now?
Speaker 3: What I'm thinking? You know, I'm you know, I'm the arbitrated.
Speaker 6: So I'm sitting here waiting to get get the head,
Speaker 6: get the head.
Speaker 3: Nod that. So did we agree on two first round? No,
Speaker 3: we haven't agreed yet.
Speaker 6: You have to tell me that you like it, and
Speaker 6: then I would tell you guys. Once it's all said
Speaker 6: and done, I'm gonna step it off.
Speaker 5: So I'm supposed to as it stands now, two first
Speaker 5: round YEP, basically two players, two players.
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about what that late pick is.
Speaker 2: What do you mean the late pick? I say, I
Speaker 2: won't I'm giving you a player. I'm giving you a young.
Speaker 3: So you substitute. I want to keep you for the pick.
Speaker 3: So it's two players, two picks. That's it.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm giving.
Speaker 1: And if that doesn't work, I can I can work
Speaker 1: some other stuff here. But I want to make sure
Speaker 1: I keep some draft capital because I'm trying to build
Speaker 1: my team up organically.
Speaker 5: Yes, but I haven't got nothing to do with what
Speaker 5: you trying to do.
Speaker 3: But you want picks too, because I need to rebuild
Speaker 3: my roster. I have problems with a guy. I got
Speaker 3: to pay for you. I got to be on my roster.
Speaker 5: Now I'm I'm contempt with the two players, two picks.
Speaker 5: I need a fifth. I need something in there. I
Speaker 5: just need I need something in there.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like it. What if okay, so
Speaker 2: what if we did this? I want to keep my
Speaker 2: draft cat all.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, is the player that I'm training to you
Speaker 5: is generational?
Speaker 2: Is generational.
Speaker 3: So what if I right now we got you agreeing
Speaker 3: with he wants.
Speaker 2: Here, we got the fourth things, and he wants a fifth.
Speaker 3: So that's on the fourth things.
Speaker 5: Give me one we got I get to back to
Speaker 5: back first round picks, and I get one of your
Speaker 5: top defensive players, and I get your backup tight end.
Speaker 5: M okay, so I'm the fourth things. The fourth things
Speaker 5: we already agreed to agree to. Yeah, and I'm just
Speaker 5: trying to get him to throw in sweeten the deal
Speaker 5: with a fifth, seventh, a phielth our fourth.
Speaker 3: I'll give you.
Speaker 1: But what if I gave you a fifth in the
Speaker 1: multiverse in twenty twenty six? So next year's fifth?
Speaker 5: How about you give me one of your dish year's conditionals?
Speaker 5: You got a conditional peak.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think we got conditional.
Speaker 2: Feel how about I give you a conditional fifth next year.
Speaker 2: That's that's it. You want to next year or not,
Speaker 2: you should take it.
Speaker 5: I agree with that. I agree with that. I got
Speaker 5: five things for this guy. I can rebe on my team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the other way I thought about going.
Speaker 1: If you like a Tanna, would you approve that one?
Speaker 1: I got another one?
Speaker 6: I want to float, you know, I mean, yeah, it
Speaker 6: sounds great to me, as long does he give me
Speaker 6: to say okay, and then.
Speaker 3: I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1: But I want to hear what you got to say first,
Speaker 1: so that I think that just for I think that's
Speaker 1: something that's a realistic thing, right, that feels very real
Speaker 1: in terms of what it's going to take to move him.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: The other thing I was going to say is what
Speaker 1: if I gave you two first round picks and then
Speaker 1: I gave you a defensive backbone piece, a cultural piece
Speaker 1: that I love. I'm super excited about, and I really
Speaker 1: want to keep him. But I'm really excited about Miles Garrett,
Speaker 1: like he's he's a game changer, you know, He's a
Speaker 1: game changer for us, and so it would just be
Speaker 1: those three things, but a game changer defense.
Speaker 5: So you're saying you will basically give me two first
Speaker 5: round picks, and I feel like you're talking about a
Speaker 5: dude that.
Speaker 1: Dave you don't we can't where this is hypothetical, little
Speaker 1: crash bandicoot out here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: Because because I'm trying to I'm trying. I'm trying to
Speaker 5: be of something new. And if you want, you want
Speaker 5: the volume, Yeah, I want volume because I think they're smart.
Speaker 5: Because if I'm finna lose this guy, that means we're
Speaker 5: not in it. We're not in that window no more.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's right. I think that's a undred
Speaker 1: percent right. So I think this is a really good
Speaker 1: job by Fred of giving insight in this multiverse world
Speaker 1: of why volume of commodity is so important for them specifically. Right,
Speaker 1: And so that's what I think is when people are like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: now we're back to real world rather the multiverse, did
Speaker 1: you approve the trade tenner?
Speaker 6: So after you know, I guess you can say a
Speaker 6: careful consideration. Yeah, that's been presented in thorough review. I
Speaker 6: honestly want to say.
Speaker 3: That Rose and Houses over there, kid, it seems to
Speaker 3: be an excellent deal.
Speaker 1: So and again that's gonna hurt, But I do think
Speaker 1: it's important for fans to understand like it's gonna take
Speaker 1: a little bit and it's not. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is too, is it's not just what I think of
Speaker 1: the best offers as the the GM of the pulsinators. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like there's other gms like just a guy, like just
Speaker 1: a guy producer Jason, He's got a team and he's like,
Speaker 1: I want my.
Speaker 3: And my draft picks up.
Speaker 5: Yah, yet right, I got more than to give, And
Speaker 5: you got to ask yourself like, not only uh, do
Speaker 5: we gonna have to give up stuff? But I always
Speaker 5: tell people they love to hold on to draft collateral
Speaker 5: when draft picks are not guaranteed, when I'm getting the
Speaker 5: known commodity that I know what I'm gonna get from
Speaker 5: him no less than twelve sacks of years.
Speaker 6: So since we're in a hypothetical world, right, and we
Speaker 6: talked about all that turnaround that we could have or
Speaker 6: we could not probably possibly not have. When you have
Speaker 6: a potential generational tennent like that, do you see yourself
Speaker 6: as a team that has the capitol, that has the
Speaker 6: draft picks to spare because of the all the guys
Speaker 6: that you still haven't signed or probably have potential to
Speaker 6: re signing. Do you see that almost fitting, like, Hey,
Speaker 6: I can go get this guy because I have all
Speaker 6: this cap a bunch of a bunch of capital, and
Speaker 6: I have the guys that I can already make this
Speaker 6: team what it was already had a piece to it
Speaker 6: that's going to make them better.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing we can't do is stay the same
Speaker 3: you but but he will. He will obviously change. He changes,
Speaker 3: everything changes.
Speaker 1: And I think just to bring it, I don't know,
Speaker 1: just to bring it into commander's land for a second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like he's twenty nine years old, you give him a
Speaker 1: three year deal, he's going to be thirty two, he's
Speaker 1: the contract would be up when Jadon Daniels needs his contract.
Speaker 1: So then if he's the guy, ye, if he's your
Speaker 1: Josh Allen Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3: Is he going to take you over the time.
Speaker 6: See the reason why I bring it up because you
Speaker 6: just made a great point about you know, people get
Speaker 6: caught up in draft picks, which he was trying to
Speaker 6: build for the future. But you always can get those
Speaker 6: young guys off of the teams in the future as well.
Speaker 6: So when you have that, Okay, do I would I
Speaker 6: can get these draft picks up because I don't necessarily
Speaker 6: have to go get no young, no young talent when
Speaker 6: we have the talent here.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: There's a couple of guys for agent wise that you
Speaker 6: can probably go build your team with.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a great point. The thing about
Speaker 1: rookies is there a cost controlled asset, right, Yes.
Speaker 2: So that's what that's's cheap.
Speaker 1: That's where the value comes. You're basically rolling the dice
Speaker 1: to be cheap. Yeah, But nobody roll on a commodity
Speaker 1: that you're gonna you're gonna control for four years if
Speaker 1: it's the first round.
Speaker 2: Pick, five years at a cost and a cheap at
Speaker 2: a cheap number.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So that's where when you see teams that have done well,
Speaker 1: like look at the Philadelphia Eagles, right, they've hit on
Speaker 1: all their draft picks for the last four years, all
Speaker 1: three of their one, two, first, second, third round all pandemic.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And look where the rosters it, right, Yeah, and they
Speaker 2: move they.
Speaker 1: Can pay whoever they want and do whatever they want
Speaker 1: because they're all cost controlled.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, so that's where the value comes. Now to friend's point,
Speaker 1: I am willing to maybe sacrifice some of that value,
Speaker 1: that cost controlled value for.
Speaker 2: A known commodity.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing you're managing here in the team
Speaker 1: building effort, right and the tea that's that's the thing
Speaker 1: is we want to make sure we're infusing talent the cheapest, easiest,
Speaker 1: way to do that is in the drafts action this.
Speaker 5: Do y'all remember the Reggie White trade from Philadelphia to
Speaker 5: Green Bay?
Speaker 2: I do remember the details or.
Speaker 3: To get them to get them a new sho. Green
Speaker 3: Bay felt like with Brett Favr the window is open. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they we.
Speaker 5: Trade it for a lot of collateral for a game
Speaker 5: change in rush.
Speaker 3: In they went on to wins. Yes.
Speaker 5: That So if you feel like he's debt, I don't
Speaker 5: care what I got to give up.
Speaker 3: I just don't.
Speaker 1: And I think the thing here about Miles Garrett two
Speaker 1: is schematically.
Speaker 2: He's such a good fit.
Speaker 1: Yes, he can rush from the you can rush from
Speaker 1: the three technique, you rush the.
Speaker 2: Nose, you can over the center, anywhere, stand up.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Like he's got a little bit of like think about
Speaker 1: how dominant Michael Parsons was Dan was in Dallas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got that ability.
Speaker 1: And I think and this is not a knock on
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, We're just we're definitely splitting here. I think
Speaker 1: he's better in straight one on one pass rush situations.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like me and you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Miles Garrett is a little bit better.
Speaker 5: He has because what's the name is more speed than power.
Speaker 5: This guy's power and speed.
Speaker 2: They're both excellent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, not only that, you're solving two problems. You solving well,
Speaker 6: you're not solving two problems, you're scripting. And you know
Speaker 6: things that we didn't do so well.
Speaker 3: They stopped the run, stop stop to run.
Speaker 2: Stop the run.
Speaker 1: And then I think also the reason you would bring
Speaker 1: this guy in is that you could.
Speaker 2: Brush with four.
Speaker 1: You could play coverage better, coverag structures in the back
Speaker 1: end for a defensive backfield that is kind of piecing together.
Speaker 1: So that's the advantage of that. And again it really
Speaker 1: depends on again we go back to the watch analogy. Right,
Speaker 1: If I got to watch and I say this, what
Speaker 1: you want this watch, It's like that's a that's a
Speaker 1: rollers hell, yeah, I want that one. But if I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's a million dollars, You're like.
Speaker 3: No, I see that. Well, let's tick it. Yeah, let's
Speaker 3: don't tick yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's like I don't want that.
Speaker 1: And so that's where again the cost of this trade.
Speaker 1: And I think Freddie did a great job there of
Speaker 1: kind of illuminating what is valuable to a team in
Speaker 1: the rebuild is more volume, more access to stuff.
Speaker 3: Because we're heading in two different directions.
Speaker 5: Yes, like you when you call me, you're telling me
Speaker 5: right now, you're trying to win. Now, if you're bringing
Speaker 5: this player in, to put it like this, if you
Speaker 5: bring him in, you now have a game changer on
Speaker 5: each level. What did I talk about with Philadelphia? They
Speaker 5: have a game change on each level of their defense.
Speaker 5: You bring him in. I got arguably the best defensive
Speaker 5: linement in football. I got a yellow jacket and a
Speaker 5: damn tarnado in Loolu.
Speaker 3: Mon Shawn led him.
Speaker 5: On the rest of my defensive I got Pro Bowlers
Speaker 5: every week, I got the I got the pieces I need.
Speaker 3: Now, now you.
Speaker 6: Don't have to worry about them guys holding up and
Speaker 6: being and covers too.
Speaker 3: Long that coach week, cook not coach week. Now go
Speaker 3: play the defensio.
Speaker 1: Those exotic flicks packages now like where this is a
Speaker 1: little bit nerdy football stuff here, So I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: like you have a guy who cannot be one on
Speaker 1: one blocked in mouth Garrett. No, you have see in
Speaker 1: the formation we're going to center protection that way. But
Speaker 1: now you've insured Frankie Louvo want a running.
Speaker 5: Back, Yes, and think about and coming down devastating that.
Speaker 1: Yes, Its just it's a nice piece. And again it
Speaker 1: may not happen. Yeah, the member rolex expensive, it's too expensive.
Speaker 1: Got to move on right, Yeah, but it's a really
Speaker 1: interesting thought experiment because I think that's one thing, like
Speaker 1: getting that elite rusher. You know Michael Parsons will be
Speaker 1: up in two years, Like is he going to be
Speaker 1: a commander? Like all those things are really interesting questions.
Speaker 1: All right, now onto something that I think is significantly
Speaker 1: less interesting.
Speaker 2: But we're going to talk about it now.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Is the Pro Bowl thinks? Does it matter? James Daniels,
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin declined to go, Bobby Wagner decided to go.
Speaker 1: In terms of the events, I don't care about it
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 3: It stinks.
Speaker 1: However, for the players deciding or not decided to go.
Speaker 1: I do think there is a monetary you've been right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you been money? I was a reserve three
Speaker 3: years in a round.
Speaker 2: And you get you get bonus money for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you get so back when I went, if you're
Speaker 6: the winning team, you got forty thousand, and they played
Speaker 6: the team got twenty thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so I'm not sure that's still anything.
Speaker 5: When it's time for your agent to negotiate, that's all
Speaker 5: you get to say.
Speaker 3: My guy's a two time Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, like that was another thing
Speaker 1: when the contracts were going around. When I was playing,
Speaker 1: it was like you could get a bonus from the
Speaker 1: team if you made a probram.
Speaker 6: And that that was my argument going into twenty eleven
Speaker 6: when I was a free agent.
Speaker 3: I had a Pro Bowl season.
Speaker 6: And I got no votes and Miles Austin and Sean
Speaker 6: Jackson went in front of me when I had better yards.
Speaker 6: I didn't even get a vote that year. But I
Speaker 6: got to vote the year before when my yards was less,
Speaker 6: and I was pissed off because of the situation I had,
Speaker 6: you know. With that, that's what I always looked at
Speaker 6: Pro Bowls for when it comes to when it's time
Speaker 6: to the wheel and the negotiate, maybe look at my
Speaker 6: Pro Bowl And that was like the perfect time for
Speaker 6: me because you're a fraide and I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 6: a Pro Bowl player. Yeah, And I didn't get a
Speaker 6: vote there, and I'm like they just lost me money,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: But see, I'm gonna tell you what just made me
Speaker 5: throw up in my mouth watching that Pro Bowl because.
Speaker 3: I didn't even watch it. I saw no advertisement, know
Speaker 3: nothing the whole weekend.
Speaker 5: Once the guys, Once the guys decide, I ain't going
Speaker 5: Jay and Terry.
Speaker 3: Now I'm forced to look at Drake May and Russell Willis.
Speaker 2: I'm telling to see Drake Man throw.
Speaker 5: They don't deserve to be in the Pro Bowl though.
Speaker 5: These are the things I'm talking about. Do y'all remember
Speaker 5: last year when the backup quarterback for the.
Speaker 3: Ravens with the third screen third screen quarterback went to the.
Speaker 2: Was there this year. I think he went from Miami
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: He helped me visiting May was but he was there.
Speaker 2: I saw him there on.
Speaker 3: These are the things that cannot happen. I'm sorry, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I got an idea for your friend. And I'm a
Speaker 1: football nerd, so maybe this only appeals to me.
Speaker 3: But I think you're not the only savanny I know.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, like this is like
Speaker 2: for football nerd.
Speaker 3: I am, yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: What I would say is like, what if you took
Speaker 1: the senior ball, took it from mobile Alabama put it
Speaker 1: in Miami and that was the game you watched, was
Speaker 1: the college All Star Game, and you did the professional
Speaker 1: like kind of ball throwing stuff around that like that.
Speaker 3: They will hung out with the college and they went.
Speaker 1: Hung out and they had a meeting and they talked
Speaker 1: and like that'll be better. And I think that would
Speaker 1: because it's a good, good football event.
Speaker 5: I enjoy it to sing your boat playing in it.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed watching it. It's it's just it's a true
Speaker 5: star game that matters, and it matters for those kids.
Speaker 1: But then you would get you know, you'd get Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett there, maybe he coaches a drill.
Speaker 5: You get Pat Mahomes talking to the next quarterback that's
Speaker 5: finna come out, Like yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think the young guys would learn so much more.
Speaker 2: And I think people would watch it. Yes, would you
Speaker 2: watch that?
Speaker 1: I watch I mean I watched it anyway, But you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like, I just think it gives
Speaker 1: the event more. And then so you could still do
Speaker 1: the dodgeball and whatever, like see, you.
Speaker 6: Too young to actually add those guys into all that
Speaker 6: stuff to you have competition with the Singer Bowl kids,
Speaker 6: just the pro kids.
Speaker 5: So you're so young and a baby. They used to
Speaker 5: do this in pro sports. They would take the Super
Speaker 5: Bowl team and then play the college all stars.
Speaker 2: I remember Payton, you know I saw that.
Speaker 6: They say sweetness he was, he went sweet and little
Speaker 6: he was was that thing.
Speaker 5: So that type like I can't believe they had the
Speaker 5: nerve to do it crazy like the Pitcher is right now.
Speaker 5: Pitcher kids see the Chiefs, the Chiefs out of Eagles
Speaker 5: playing against the All Stars because twenty five college kids.
Speaker 5: You know what, I don't know if I was on
Speaker 5: if I'm on Bowl team, I've been saying, But if
Speaker 5: I'm on the super Bowl team and now I got
Speaker 5: to play this team, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know where my mind at.
Speaker 5: I don't I just won the biggest game, and now
Speaker 5: I got to.
Speaker 3: Play these youngsters. And you know, youngsters, they running hardly.
Speaker 2: They got here, they have some time off.
Speaker 3: I would rather.
Speaker 6: See them compete in the whole competition stuff and let
Speaker 6: the Senior Bowl team play. Why the Pro Bowls are
Speaker 6: around it, I think that would be phenomenal.
Speaker 3: You get the.
Speaker 6: Senior fastest, you know, Senior Bowl kids going against the
Speaker 6: fastest NFL player.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean that those kinds of competitions
Speaker 6: dodgeball against you know, the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: All Stars, tuger war to tug. I would love to
Speaker 3: see that, but I mean something has to change.
Speaker 6: I just feel like, like, you know, maybe it was advertised,
Speaker 6: maybe it was a lot of shows, it wasn't the same.
Speaker 6: Like I'm I'm normally hearing a lot about the super
Speaker 6: Bowl coming in two weeks and the All Stars are
Speaker 6: finna go playing.
Speaker 3: Number.
Speaker 5: One highlight from the Pro Bowl weekend was Marshall Manning.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I saw I'm on you didn't see
Speaker 3: Peyton soon look like that dropping buggles. That was the
Speaker 3: highlight of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, Like, how cool would that
Speaker 1: be if like that guy is the quarterback of Notre
Speaker 1: Dame and he's hanging out with you know, Drake May
Speaker 1: who was like I don't know that.
Speaker 2: It feels like it would.
Speaker 1: Help the event, give it some life and help getting
Speaker 1: notoriety for the prospects going out. Like I just think
Speaker 1: it's a win win for everybody because that event is tough.
Speaker 1: But in terms of Jayden going Terry, not Jayden not
Speaker 1: going Terry, not going like that's there.
Speaker 6: They pay the right time because it's nothing to go for,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, it's no reason that it
Speaker 6: was actually having a long season.
Speaker 3: Later, I feel like Tearry.
Speaker 5: Probably put it in his ear and be like, we
Speaker 5: don't need to go to this, get ready for next.
Speaker 6: Year, honestly because this is my thing with it. And
Speaker 6: I didn't know this until like years later. So you
Speaker 6: remember all the times that we've been We've been altering
Speaker 6: this a while.
Speaker 3: I know I have. I've been after them three or
Speaker 3: four time.
Speaker 6: Yes, But what I didn't know is when you go
Speaker 6: as an alternate, you don't get that on your not.
Speaker 3: Saying you was a Pro Bowl that yet. No, really,
Speaker 3: I just saw that on somebody thing. Did they did?
Speaker 3: They always do that?
Speaker 6: Look, I just saw this and tell you how I
Speaker 6: saw it. I was looking through somebody's bio and I'm like,
Speaker 6: I know he went to four pro bos, like I
Speaker 6: know that he personally. They only showed the ones he made,
Speaker 6: the two he made. I'm like, oh, so the alternate
Speaker 6: was he don't it? Don't you You get asked, you're
Speaker 6: gonna get the money, if you're on the team, you're
Speaker 6: gonna get all that you're gonna get. But in your bio,
Speaker 6: it's not that say that you made three Pro Bowls.
Speaker 6: It's gonna say you made the two who or make
Speaker 6: high and many.
Speaker 2: It was that's terrible and I saw that. I mean
Speaker 2: that's like highway, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just don't make sense, like the event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it bothers me a little bit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It bothers me now more than ever.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you want them, if they're going to
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, like give them their money, him that credit, Like,
Speaker 1: just give them the credit. Let's move on. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so again I don't think it matters. And I think
Speaker 1: it's if Bobby Bobby went good for Bobby Man, you're
Speaker 1: probably not gonna any more of those.
Speaker 3: Where he had in his career.
Speaker 5: He has to enjoy because he don't know what's gonna
Speaker 5: be his last, so he has to enjoy stuff.
Speaker 3: But these guys, one guy just stowing his career.
Speaker 5: And then I'm sure he looked at it as I
Speaker 5: need a break, Like I just played a whole college year,
Speaker 5: went to the combine, played a whole year, and I
Speaker 5: made it to the NFC Championship, like I have played
Speaker 5: a calendar, so I'm sure he needed the risk, and
Speaker 5: not just the risk physically mentally. This kid has put
Speaker 5: a whole region on his back. Yeah, he need a break.
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Speaker 3: You know what? I had to look at it in
Speaker 3: boxing terms. All right, let's just say, do you watch
Speaker 3: all of boxing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: Let's just say, Mike Tyson drops a P.
Speaker 5: Three three piece nugget on me, beat me up, but
Speaker 5: she probably would with he he will no problem.
Speaker 2: He can still beat you.
Speaker 5: I'm not fighting tight. I don't care what happened on
Speaker 5: that paper. I'm not getting the ring with him. Did
Speaker 5: you know this man once went to the zoo just
Speaker 5: for the hell of hood seeing a gorilla picking on
Speaker 5: other grills, and tried to get the zoo keeper to
Speaker 5: let him in the cage so he could punch out.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not dealing with this animal.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: But if the dude then kicked my butt, I probably
Speaker 5: want him to kick somebody.
Speaker 3: But percent I'm just saying.
Speaker 5: And I'm kind of nostalgic in a way because I
Speaker 5: like history and I love the fact that the division
Speaker 5: I played all my Korean the NFC East, is the
Speaker 5: number one division in football, had.
Speaker 3: Some of the best cities.
Speaker 5: Were the only division that all four teams have won
Speaker 5: a championship. And I would just say I would rather
Speaker 5: fuck them to add to the legacy because if.
Speaker 3: They win in a small way, we win. And I'm
Speaker 3: not opposit I give a damn about all that he
Speaker 3: talks about. Kansas City go out there in history for
Speaker 3: great great don't get me wrong. Look, if you had
Speaker 3: to ask.
Speaker 6: Me who I think the better team, Philly by far,
Speaker 6: I think I think, now who who?
Speaker 5: Who?
Speaker 6: Who can probably coach with the best of them, Who
Speaker 6: probably could coach out of a game?
Speaker 3: Kansas City? Yeah, I think on both sides they can.
Speaker 6: They can wield that team into victim off of just
Speaker 6: their coaches alone. But I want to see Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean they already got them on the throne.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and see it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Let's see the Brown. Let's see him get the three
Speaker 3: first repeat? I mean, what more?
Speaker 6: What more we have to talk about other than Brady
Speaker 6: Ben He's seven times?
Speaker 3: Yeah, winning seven times? But winning what nine? Yeah? But
Speaker 3: never did a three P? Never did the repeat? No
Speaker 3: one ever did.
Speaker 6: Nobody were talking about Montana having multiple rings, were talking
Speaker 6: about all these other quarterbacks with multiple rings, but it's never.
Speaker 3: Been a three P. Man. Let's let's actually see it done.
Speaker 3: Man from a young PA, you know what happens if
Speaker 3: they three peat? Right? What Kelsey is gonna get down
Speaker 3: on the knee? You feel?
Speaker 2: You feel? I feel? I don't agree with him.
Speaker 4: Listen, the contis Taylor, this is.
Speaker 3: It's right now with the Super Bowl? With it? Is
Speaker 3: that not a magical Disney moment?
Speaker 5: Like you know what, I wouldn't even be shocked if
Speaker 5: she got on the knee.
Speaker 3: Hey guess what. They definitely will be risking it for
Speaker 3: the marsh Lean. Listen, I could see no, man, you
Speaker 3: know I have pulled right?
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know, but like, damn, that would be.
Speaker 6: You know, you know what America would say, I'm tired
Speaker 6: of him for real now thinking tired of them.
Speaker 3: They'll be like, she stole the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But all the all the all the news agencies would.
Speaker 3: They would lose it.
Speaker 2: God, No, Casey wins twice.
Speaker 3: Listen to me, I can see it right now. She
Speaker 3: been there the whole time too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just telling you, man, I feel it in
Speaker 5: my heart that I won't Phil.
Speaker 3: It deph you to win.
Speaker 1: I kind of want that down to like what if
Speaker 1: you had the ring out they lost it to this
Speaker 1: podcast and he's like, you know, I't had no listen.
Speaker 3: I got in this dipad. You see it right now
Speaker 3: on the I can see.
Speaker 5: I can see Mama Chaelson like do it, do it,
Speaker 5: and I can see listen.
Speaker 6: I just want to see history, not that if it happens,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna text it.
Speaker 3: Come on that text trade. I told you so.
Speaker 1: I mean that would be that would be epic. So
Speaker 1: I kind of want Philly to win now. I want
Speaker 1: can't see the one just for the total media circus.
Speaker 1: But I think I agree with ten one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Philly is a better team. I agree with fred is
Speaker 1: that I want our division to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I want the team to beat us to win the
Speaker 1: super Bowl because we are that close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just means that's what we did much close.
Speaker 2: I want to see me Yeah, I know my friends.
Speaker 3: Yea, they gave us the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 2: But would it be cool to see Kansas City win?
Speaker 3: That's what I wants a three P.
Speaker 2: It would be cool. But again, I I kind of
Speaker 2: want foot to win.
Speaker 3: They say teams dressed in red win three peaks?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: The Bulls like the Yeah? Who else? And you know
Speaker 3: what's ain't good? Anybody else want three any other sport? Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Lakers? One of three people, pat Riley. Pet
Speaker 5: Riley owns the word three P. He gets ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah he this why Yeah, the patent.
Speaker 2: Has a copyright on you.
Speaker 3: You got the copyright on it.
Speaker 5: And that's why the Chiefs are trying to come up
Speaker 5: with stuff like Chief Pete and stuff like that so
Speaker 5: they can avoid pants.
Speaker 2: So that's a fun fact for you. Pat Riley's gonna
Speaker 2: make a lot of money this weekend.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for today's show hopefully. Yeah,
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