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Speaker 1: impressions that you do?

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Speaker 1: Didn't you used to do celindio?

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Speaker 3: No, I used to.

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Speaker 1: Do that the theme song to the Titanic.

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Speaker 4: No, that was Karen.

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Speaker 1: Karen used to.

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Speaker 5: Sing that song.

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Speaker 6: Karen does sing that song.

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Speaker 1: Does she have a nice voice?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: Because guess who I have on the other line. Karen?

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Speaker 1: Did that scare you?

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Speaker 2: Did it give me a little nervous?

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Speaker 1: Did it not make you feel alive?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Get a little scared?

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Speaker 1: A little scared.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she doesn't have a nice voice.

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Speaker 4: I mean she can wait.

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Speaker 1: A second, She's back on the line. It's Karen. Oh, Jackie,

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Speaker 1: how could you say that about my singing? From Gimblet Media,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Gold and this is Heavyweight Today's episode the Elliots.

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Speaker 1: Right after the break, I get a lot of emails

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Speaker 1: from people looking for help, but Dylan's stood out. Dear Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: It read I have a big one for you, the

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Speaker 1: heaviest weight yet. Dylan's email was over the top clickbaity

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Speaker 1: even Hi Dylan, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Jonathan?

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Speaker 1: But who among us is inured to the lure of clickbait?

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Speaker 1: Dylan Elliott lives in Dublin and the story he tells

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Speaker 1: me you'll have to hear to believe. Dylan says that

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Speaker 1: when he and his family get together, their favorite thing

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Speaker 1: to do is share stories of their misfortune, mysterious ailments

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Speaker 1: They always come away from these sessions wondering the same thing,

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Speaker 1: how can one family have so much bad luck?

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Speaker 5: So a few years ago, mostly large family gathering.

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Speaker 1: Dylan says that at a recent family wedding, he and

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Speaker 1: his brothers were going around the table enumerting their woes

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Speaker 5: And then my dad came out and said, well, they

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Speaker 5: don't know about the curse, the Elliot curse.

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Speaker 1: Dylan and his brothers looked at each other. What elliot curse?

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Speaker 1: They'd never heard of such a thing, And so their

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Speaker 1: father offered what would prove to be a unifying theory

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Speaker 1: of their terrible luck. He began at the beginning.

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Speaker 5: The very beginning is fifteen twenty five.

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Speaker 1: About five hundred years ago, Scotland and England were at

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Speaker 5: And so they were left in this nomadic position where

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Speaker 5: the only living they could make was by going back

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Speaker 5: and forth across the border and thieving.

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Speaker 1: Thieving, in pillaging, in maiming, as well as murdering.

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Speaker 5: What they had to be as a culture was extremely

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Speaker 5: friendly but also really murdery, because like, if you've got

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Speaker 1: And these people, these friendly, murdery people who lived along

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Speaker 1: the border were called border reavers. You say reavers, Yeah, reavers?

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Speaker 1: What are those?

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like the exact opposite of a weaver.

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Speaker 5: So weavers makes clothes. Reavers were kind of like murderers.

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Speaker 1: Wait, weavers make clothes, but revers are murderers. Yes, which

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Speaker 5: It's quite far away, though, in fairness.

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Speaker 1: It is it is. But probably the opposite of making

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Speaker 1: thank you. That's the opposite of a curse, by the way.

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Speaker 1: To bring it back to opposites, Dylan says there were

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Speaker 1: the Elliots. And that's you. You're You're Dylan Elliot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In fifteen twenty five, the then Archbishop of Glasgow, desperate

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Speaker 1: to deter the Reavers, placed a curse on them, the

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Speaker 1: aforementioned Elliot curse. I should read the cris to you please.

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Speaker 1: I curse their heads and all the hairs of their head.

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Speaker 1: as a jew raised on Yiddish curses, my bubb is,

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Speaker 1: may you hang upside down like a chandelier, most often

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Speaker 1: but still it's nothing compared to this curse.

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Speaker 5: I cursed them going, and I curssed them writing. I

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Speaker 5: curst them standing, and I cursed them sitting. Curse.

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Speaker 1: This curse reads like a children's book written by a

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Speaker 5: I curse them within the house, I cursed them outside

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Speaker 1: And just when you think there's nothing left, a curse, okay.

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Speaker 5: Made the thunder and lightning which rain down upon someone.

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Speaker 1: For a full three minutes, Dylan continues on with wildfires

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Speaker 1: and dyspepsia, pestilence, and plagues, until finally I.

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Speaker 5: Condemned them perpetually to the deep pit of hell, there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a curse. Back at the family wedding, seated

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Speaker 5: You almost expect people to laugh when hear curs. Liked that,

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Speaker 5: makes total sense. This explains why so many weird things

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Speaker 1: Weird and also weirdly specific to the curse. Dylan tells

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Speaker 1: and regarding the I curse you away from home part

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Speaker 5: Pick up mugged three days in a row in Paris,

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Speaker 5: Oh my, And each morning I went out and I

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Speaker 1: Like three separate occasions by three separate muggers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, three separate muggers, three nights in a row.

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 5: Doesn't that's insane? Like I think the other I was

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Speaker 5: So what of the odds are getting mugged three days

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Speaker 1: And Dylan says it's not just him. He tells me

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Speaker 5: The one thing that's mentioned in the Curse. The curse

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Speaker 5: says I cursed their cabbage patches, and he can't grow cabbages.

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Speaker 5: He can't grow brascas at all.

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Speaker 10: I've been pretty successful growing all different types of vegetables.

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Speaker 1: This is Dylan's younger brother, Rory Elliott.

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Speaker 10: But like the cab in particular, like always seemed to

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Speaker 1: Then there's Rory's feet.

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Speaker 10: My mum always said that my feet were like out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and his eyes.

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Speaker 8: I tore my cornea.

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Speaker 10: I had to wear an eyepatch. And mouth I've had

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Speaker 10: like the cur is trying to stop me. Talk to

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Speaker 1: Rory is a scientist, so he knows that believing in

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Speaker 1: the archbishop curses them going and curses them riding.

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Speaker 10: I see them that he had riding horses, but I

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Speaker 1: Okay, what has happened?

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Speaker 10: Like, for instance, one time I was cycling to get

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Speaker 1: Doing very well, his crops being the cabbages. He was

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Speaker 11: And there was an iron bar in the ground and

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Speaker 1: Sorry, did you say you you flew into a dog

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Speaker 1: food what a.

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Speaker 4: Dog food factory?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, broke my raist, I broke.

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Speaker 10: My arm, need a lot of sticks. That was fairly cursed.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Logical level not superstious at all, but I am a

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Speaker 1: This is Dylan's other brother, Tim Elliott. Tim is waiting

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Speaker 1: to receive funding for his pH d in history. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, I'm.

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Speaker 5: A sort of.

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Speaker 3: Just a freelanced person.

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Speaker 1: What do you freelance at?

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Speaker 1: If Dylan is rather ere like and Rory is something

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Speaker 3: I'm given the curse, well, I mean, who would have

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Speaker 1: Like his brothers, Tim lists off sorrows specific to the curse.

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Speaker 1: He went bald in his twenties, has teeth with holes

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Speaker 3: When I was born, my feet pointed outwards, and then

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Speaker 3: I was putting these shoes, so you think, okay, here

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Speaker 1: Then there's the muggings. While Dylan's been mugged a poultry

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Speaker 1: three times, Tim's been mugged five times.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one of them. I was mugged while I

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Speaker 3: was dressed as a robot.

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Speaker 5: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: That just really surprised me. It feels wrong to laugh

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Speaker 4: This was Halloween.

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Speaker 1: I'm imagining you, like in a box, wrapped in a

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Speaker 4: You're exactly.

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Speaker 3: I was with a group of friends, all dressed differently.

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Speaker 3: Young fellas who are fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, the ringleader demanded Tim hand over the beers

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Speaker 3: This pocket knife and he says, I'm gonna you know,

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Speaker 3: what do you think about this?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: If you recall John said I'm wearing nothing for cardboard boxes.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I recall.

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Speaker 3: So the bumblebee, the pirates disappear, and I'm not quite

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Speaker 1: The kids pulled the siren from Tim. Tron five thousand's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got the police and they sort of just said, well,

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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you.

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Speaker 5: Expect with my family? It's like.

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Speaker 1: It's shorthunt. Now here's Dylan again, like we just.

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Speaker 5: Rule arizing and goes, oh, fucking curse.

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Speaker 1: The misfortunes that you they you mention, I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you literally feel like they're connected to this five hundred

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Speaker 5: I think it's like this Jonathan in my head is like,

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Speaker 5: if you've got five hundred years of people wishing you ill,

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Speaker 1: Dylan says that since the old archbishop of Glasgow levied

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Speaker 5: What I love is the curse to be lifted. We

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Speaker 1: And so Dylan has come to me for help. They

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Speaker 5: It's any Christian man. All Christian men who speak to

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Speaker 1: Oh, because I am not Christian. It gives me a

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Speaker 1: Is that why you came to me. It wasn't because

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Speaker 1: how lifting the curse would be the biggest heavyweight yet,

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Speaker 1: because the curse isn't limited to just the Elliots, it

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's three hundred thousand elliots in the world.

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Speaker 5: How many Armstrongs and Scot's and Nixon's and Dixon's and Springles.

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Speaker 1: Not to sound like one of those CD personal injury lawyers.

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Speaker 1: But if your name is Scott or Douglas, Reed or Robson,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the exceptions to the rules, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like you mentioned pringles, Like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know they had those canisters of chips, so they

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Speaker 5: Okay, can tell me you've had the pocket fringles not

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Speaker 1: Well put, Dylan and his brothers are tired of their

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Speaker 1: and getting beaten up by children. They're ready to live

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Speaker 1: their best lives. If we got this lifted, what would

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Speaker 3: It'd probably be getting funding.

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Speaker 1: To do your PhD.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Well, when I'm be able to grow cabbages because

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Speaker 10: I actually love cabbage, I don't know. I would just

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Speaker 1: Cabbages, Okay, cabbages and what else?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, mainly the cabbages, Like I really, I really love cabbages.

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Speaker 4: It's like a stir fry soup. But I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: most the cabbages.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get you, Elliotts turned around.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna good to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Erase the chalkboard, a fresh news start. The curse still

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Speaker 1: in red to me, and it's dizzying entirety comes from

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Speaker 1: the Elliot Clan Society website. It turns out there's a

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Speaker 1: whole organization of descendants of Border Reavers named Elliott. The

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Speaker 1: Ts Eliott, the poet who dared not eat a peach,

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Speaker 1: to say, should probably also stay away from peaches. And

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Speaker 1: then there's the page with the transcript of the curse.

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Speaker 1: Underneath it there are rems and realms of comments. Stephen

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Speaker 1: family in four generations that hasn't been to prison or

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Speaker 1: had problems with drugs. I try to do right and

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Speaker 1: the most bad luck possible, he says. Mary Elliott cites cancer,

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Speaker 1: airplane crashes and fires. Long before I ever heard of

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Speaker 1: this curse. I felt a curse had been put on

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Speaker 1: our family, she writes, Believe me, the curse is alive

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Speaker 1: and well. Hello, Hello, Is this Margaret Elliott? Yes, it

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Speaker 1: is Margaret Elliott is the chief of the Elliott Clan society.

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Speaker 1: This is Jonathan Goldstein calling from the American podcast.

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Speaker 9: I'm marri Heartrising.

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Speaker 1: It is my held belief that setting off on a

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Speaker 1: requires the blessing of a clan Chieftainess. Margaret Elliot sounds

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Speaker 1: like someone who owns at least a dozen and a

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Speaker 8: She says.

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Speaker 1: She inherited the role from her father, who was chief

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Speaker 1: before her. With the title, does there come a dwelling

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Speaker 1: like the way the President of the United States gets

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Speaker 1: to live in the White House? No, I'm fortunately not

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Speaker 1: to begin. Margaret proudly shares some fun facts about the

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Speaker 1: Elliott family.

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Speaker 9: The Canadian Prime Minister was an Elliot. His middle name

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Speaker 9: was Pierre Elliott Trudeau.

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Speaker 1: Pierre Elliott Trudeau traced his lineage back to the Elliot clan.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Yes she did. Yeah, my middle

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Speaker 1: name is Stuart it is. When I get down to

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Speaker 1: explaining my mission, Margaret tells she's known about the curse

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Speaker 1: her whole life. It's a part of Elliott history. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I.

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Speaker 9: Don't pay this any attention at all. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 9: this is the first time I've ever actually talked about it.

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Speaker 9: I've never thought it was remotely important.

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Speaker 1: It's important to her constituents, though. I tell her about

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Speaker 1: Dylan and his brothers, the eye patches, the constant muggings,

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Speaker 9: Which I don't think he can plain it. I think

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Speaker 9: maybe he's got the wrong sort of grand for cabbage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the cursed kind. Although Margaret doesn't put stock in curses,

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Speaker 1: she still blesses the mission and even offers to help.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I.

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Speaker 12: Could probably get the archbishop on the phone.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you can get an archbishop on the telephone?

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Speaker 9: Why not?

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Speaker 1: Wow? I really appreciate your good old American moxie on

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Speaker 1: that one.

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Speaker 9: What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: What does good old American moxie mean, Margaret? It's throwing

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Speaker 1: a bottle rocket into a trash can just to see

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Speaker 1: it go boom. It's staring down your enemies while picking

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Speaker 1: your teeth with a corn dog stick. It's sowing a

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Speaker 1: Canadian flag onto your backpack when traveling through Europe. So

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Speaker 1: when you toss a bottle rocket into some Parisian poobell,

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Speaker 1: Canada looks like the idiot Moxie is getting a bishop

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Speaker 1: on the horn and greeting him with a big fat

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Speaker 1: American howdy. Do have you ever reached out to an

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Speaker 1: archbishop before?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 9: I know Bishop wil too, but no I don't have.

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Speaker 4: It'd be interesting.

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Speaker 9: I will follow it up. You've inspired me.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that isn't often what I do, So I

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Speaker 9: Very good.

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Speaker 1: Margaret is on the case. But before getting off the phone,

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Speaker 1: she counsels me against talking to other elliots about the

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Speaker 1: that will only trouble them. To illustrate her point, Margaret

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Speaker 1: tells me about an art installation memorializing the curse. It's

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Speaker 1: called the Cursing Stone, and it's a fourteen ton granite

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Speaker 1: boulder with the curse inscribed upon it. It was commissioned

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Speaker 1: by the City of Carlisle in two thousand and one.

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Speaker 9: Tasa was fairly unwise. Why why they believe in this curse,

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Speaker 9: but there are people who do, like your friend Dylan,

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Speaker 9: and I think it is unwise to bring it out

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Speaker 9: again because it alarms people.

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Speaker 1: But the follout caused by the stone suggests it more

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Speaker 1: than alarmed people. Following its installation, the city experienced the

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Speaker 1: So I speak with the artist who sculpted the cursing stone,

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Speaker 1: Gordon Young, of the Border Reaving Young Clan. But despite

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Speaker 1: there's anything suggestive about the timing, you know, like just

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Speaker 1: after the unveiling of your work and all of these

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Speaker 1: misfortunes occurring, do you see anything not at all? In

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Speaker 1: then you don't admit that the timing is sort of

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Speaker 1: an interesting No, Do you feel like you've been affected

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Speaker 13: I feel a lifelong sighting would be if I fell

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Speaker 13: down a toilet, come up smelling of roses on a field.

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Speaker 13: I have been very, very, very lucky all my life.

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Speaker 1: Gordon's answer surprises me, so I conduct an informal survey.

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Speaker 1: Turning to the phone book, I dial random Elliots to

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Hello? Is this Tanya Elliott Hensby? Yes? I even phone

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Speaker 1: a real estate agent on a lawn sign Elliott, and

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Speaker 1: I reach out to Margaret's Elliott Society clan officers all

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Speaker 1: across the USA. You're a state commissioner for Alabama, Arkansas.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, I'm a chemist for Clan Elliott in Texas.

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Speaker 13: Yes, yes, I'm the Northern California commissioner for it.

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Speaker 1: I ask if any of them have experienced the things

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Speaker 1: the Elliot brothers have, the inability to ever grow cabbage,

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Speaker 1: any dental problems. You own cattle or sheep growing cabbage?

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Speaker 1: Are you bald? But it seems they haven't.

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Speaker 13: Nope, Nope, no, no, I'm a gorgeous ready.

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Speaker 1: So I find myself wondering whether ill fortune might be

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Speaker 1: and Rory problem. What was going on with the Elliott brothers,

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Speaker 1: why all the bad luck? And was the curse really

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Speaker 1: to blame for it? Since Dylan, Tim and Rory's dad, David,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he would have any insight. So I

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Speaker 1: Dylan says it's because his dad is nervous that even

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Speaker 1: Dylan's aunt Joe, agrees to talk to me.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Johnson, how are you?

444
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: I'm okay? How are you today?

445
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: Not too bot I'm very loud of Friday.

446
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: In the background, I can hear Joe pouring something into

447
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: a glass. What is it that you're drinking? Oh, pino, Gricia,

448
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: It's absolutely okay.

449
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 10: Yeah.

450
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: I sometimes think that I could tell what someone's drinking,

451
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: but it's a little piccadillo of mine. I asked Joe

452
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: about her family whether they are a bunch of magical thinkers,

453
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: like say, someone who thinks he can tell what beverage

454
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: someone is drinking over the phone. Maybe they've over indexed

455
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: on this whole curse thing. Was your upbringing superstitious? Did

456
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: your parents have rituals and stuff like that?

457
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: Well, I was brought up on my grandparents.

458
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: And then Joe tells me the reason she was raised

459
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Speaker 1: by her grandparents.

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Speaker 3: Our parents died when we were all very young.

461
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Speaker 1: Your parents died around the same time.

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00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 8: Yeah.

463
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, they died in a car accident.

464
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: Oh my, I'm so sorry. Yeah, and they were together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: Did that Has that ever struck you as a It

468
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: was a bit of bad luck.

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00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: It was really bad luck, right, I mean, the worst

470
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: luck ever almost.

471
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: Joe was only four years old at the time of

472
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: the accident, so she doesn't remember the day, but she

473
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: does remember learning about the death of her parents for

474
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: the first time.

475
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 2: I was able to read. So I must have been

476
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: about six, and I've found a newspaper cutting in my

477
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: grandmother's chest of drawers, and I could see that my

478
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: name was in there, and my sister's name was in there,

479
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: and I could see it as talking about two people,

480
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: and I wasn't sure who theirs names were.

481
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: But it sounded really sad to me.

482
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: And it's had this really big long word at the

483
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: top of it. So I went to mask my grandmother

484
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: what it was, and she said, well that that word

485
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: is an obituary, and these people are your mum and

486
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: dad and their dad. I do have a few memories.

487
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: So my dad used to go out to work. I

488
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: used to have to help them put the socks on. Today,

489
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: my dad went in to tell the teacher off in

490
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: school because she was really horrible to me. And I

491
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: remember being woking up in the middle of the night

492
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: to come downstairs and see the new toys that my

493
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: dad had brought home from work. It was a little

494
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: red teeth set. I remember the first time I tested

495
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Chinese food because my mom was ill in bed and

496
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: my dad brought me in to tasted Chinese food and

497
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: there was pineapple on it, and I'd never had pineapple before.

498
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Joe says that after her parents' death, she and her

499
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: six siblings were all split up, sent to different relatives.

500
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: It took them many years, not until they were adults,

501
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: to all reconnact. Do you think this this family trauma

502
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: has kind of cast a Paul over David's kids.

503
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: There is no day in our family that our parents'

504
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: death was, oh my goodness, catastrophic. In a lot of ways.

505
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: It was terrible.

506
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: It's a big soddness, and I think they picked that

507
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: up when you're a kid.

508
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: It's a scary thing to learn that tragedy can strike

509
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: at any moment for no reason, that there's no insulation

510
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: between you and the darkness. Joe doesn't think the curse

511
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: caused the accident, but the accident might have given the

512
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: idea of a curse a certain allure. It offered an

513
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: explanation for something unexplainable. Growing up, Dylan and his brothers

514
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: heard about their grandparents' death. Were raised with the feeling

515
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: of a vague dark cloud that hung over the family.

516
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: But now they've given that dark cloud a name, the

517
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: Curse of the Eliots. And what you can name, you

518
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: can vanquish. What do you think that lifting the curse

519
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: might change for David or for your nephews.

520
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: It might.

521
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 6: Gives a breathing space.

522
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I've said that word or

523
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: that phrase, but that's just what it feels like.

524
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: A breathing space.

525
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Regardless of how Margaret Elliott or any of the three

527
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: hundred thousand Elliots feel about the curse, these three Elliots, Dylan,

528
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: Rory and Tim Elliott, they believe in it, and I'm

529
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: going to help these elliots by lifting this curse once

530
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: and for all. My greatest hope for lifting the curse

531
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: lies with Elliott clan chief Margaret, who promised me a bishop.

532
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: But at this point I haven't heard from Margaret in weeks,

533
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: so I send an email asking for a progress report.

534
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: When she replies, I'm surprised by her terseness. No bishop,

535
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: She writes, I really think there is no point in

536
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: pursuing this, and your friend who complained about his baldness

537
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: and not growing cabbage will have to put up with

538
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: it and not blame an entirely irrelevant sixteenth century curse.

539
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to account for the shift in

540
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Margaret's tone until I read this. I would be grateful

541
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: if you would not contact any more clan officers and

542
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: alarm them unduly. It seems some of the elliots I

543
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: spoke to, ever loyal to their chieftain, ratted me out,

544
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: telling Margaret how I'd been pestering them about their bad luck.

545
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: As chief, Margaret wants to protect her flock and not

546
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: from the curse of the archbishop. But from me, it

547
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: looks like I'm on my own on the Archdiocese of

548
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: Glasgow's website, I find the name of the Archbishop's director

549
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: of Communications, mister Confrey. Hi, thank you so much for

550
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: talking to me.

551
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 12: No problem at all. I'm glad to be able to chat.

552
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: I explained to Ronnie Convrey about Dylan and his brothers,

553
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: the robot muggings, the dog food factory.

554
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 12: He's worried the curse from whatever five hundred years ago

555
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 12: is affecting his daily life.

556
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: Yes, hardy, harharr if you will, Ronnie Convrey, But I

557
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: thought stuff that happened hundreds of years ago and still

558
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: affects daily life is the Church's bread and butter. Of course,

559
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 1: I'm too cowardly to actually say that, but I do

560
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: say this, I'll be it mincingly. Why can't the archbishop

561
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: just lift this one little old curse, just this one

562
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: little old time.

563
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 12: It's not going to happen. It's not like, you know,

564
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 12: the archbishop puts on a stool and goes into the

565
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 12: cathedral and mutters a few payers in lot and then

566
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 12: sprinkle some holy water around and everything stakes. I mean,

567
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 12: there is no such ceremony for lifting curses.

568
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: And even if there were a ceremony, Ronnie says there's

569
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: no one to perform at the last archbishop died just recently,

570
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: and appointing a new one can take months, even years.

571
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Is this something that the Pope could lift?

572
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 12: I had no idea, to be honest, I were you,

573
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 12: I wouldn't waste trying to figure out how.

574
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: You could speak to the Pope. You know you'd be

575
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: here to.

576
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 12: Goomsday and that you wouldn't get a nail the Pope

577
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 12: on something like this.

578
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a he's a busy man. I'm sure. I mean,

579
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: it's not like you could just call the Vatican switchboard

580
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: and has to speak to the Pope.

581
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

582
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: Turns out you can call the Vatican switchboard, but the

583
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: problem not in Italiana. Is there anybody that spinks?

584
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 9: Uh?

585
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 6: My sisters taking English? It's okay?

586
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: At yes, okay. I never imagined the Vatican to be

587
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: the kind of mom and pop operation where you'd have

588
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: to wait for somebody's sister to get back from her

589
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: lunch break at the Vatican. Quiz No's when I phoned

590
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: back Trey hours later, though the person who picks up

591
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: doesn't know what I'm talking about. She was like, Yeah,

592
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: my sister's going to be here, later.

593
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 5: That sounds like Italy to me.

594
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that what it is? This is my gimlet

595
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: coworker Valentina. She was born in Florence and speaks Italian,

596
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: and agrees to help me. Phone back a few weeks later.

597
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: Have you ever called the Vatican before?

598
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: No.

599
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: It turns out that while there isn't an office at

600
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: the Vatican for curse removal, there is a department for

601
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: papal blessings. Maybe a strong enough blessing can wipe out

602
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: a curse. Love KOing hate kind of thing. So Valentine

603
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: and I phone up the Office of Blessings.

604
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 10: Yes, hello, okay a lot of.

605
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Valentina explains the details of my problem, the cabbages and cankers,

606
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: but the operator says, we need a different department.

607
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 6: It's an exorcism office.

608
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: Oh so getting a curse lifted is that falls under

609
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: the department of exorcism.

610
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there's that's the old department that can you know,

611
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: deal with that because we are exactly the oppos.

612
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: You know, of course, bless you blessings are the opposite

613
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: of courses.

614
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 13: In general.

615
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: So I call the switchboard back and ask for the

616
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: Department of Exorcism. Why the operator asks, and so yet

617
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: again I explained the ulcerated mouths, and Talento's.

618
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 8: It's really absurd.

619
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: Absurd.

620
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 8: In twenty twenty one, we are still thinking about a

621
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 8: curse dating back to fifteen twenty six. Oh it's five.

622
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: Centuries, yes, and so it's about time.

623
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 8: If both Francis hears about that, I don't know how

624
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 8: he would react.

625
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: How would he react?

626
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 8: I don't think he will react in a good way.

627
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Are there special circumstances in which you know someone could

628
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: speak to the Pope?

629
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 8: It's not as easy, but it's happened, It may happen.

630
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 8: It's not so easy.

631
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: What are the circumstances in which you pass? Does he

632
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: have a cell phone? Does the Pope have a cell phone?

633
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: To people that he travels with have a cell phone?

634
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: Is it just a landline?

635
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 8: What do you want to I don't know what you

636
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 8: really want to do.

637
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: When I tell the operator about the original reason for

638
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: my call that I want to be put through to

639
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: the Department of Exorcisms, I learned there is no such department,

640
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: or there is, but it's a department of one. There's

641
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: only one exorcist for the entire Vatican.

642
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: And he has a portable number.

643
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 8: You want the number of the.

644
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: Portable cellular device of the Pope's personal exorcist. Uh, yeah, yes, please,

645
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: oh oh one, okay, thank you very much for your health. Yes,

646
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: God bless thank you. Wow, it's really great. This is

647
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: really great. So should we try the try the welcome

648
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: to Verizon Wireless.

649
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: Your call cannot be completed as the called party is

650
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: temporarily unavailable.

651
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: Is that a good sign? It's not a good sign.

652
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Once a week for the next eight weeks, Valentina and

653
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: I try calling him back. The call never goes through.

654
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: When I phone the Vatican switchboard again, the operator directs

655
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: me to the Secretary General of the Diocese of Rome,

656
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: who says I'll need to speak with a Padre Milily. No,

657
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: Mi Lily. But Padre Mediately's secretary says he's not the

658
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: right person either, apparently, since the curse effect not just

659
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: the elliots of Rome or Dublin, but all elliots everywhere.

660
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: My problem is an international problem.

661
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: She says, we need to call the Association of International Exorcists.

662
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, it's called a ya aie Association internationalities.

663
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: She just made that up. But it turns out that

664
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: the International Association of Exorcists, has over eight hundred members,

665
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: publishes guides for exorcists around the world, and is accredited

666
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: by the Vatican. The AIE and I email back and forth,

667
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: but eventually the Exorcists start giving me the brush off too.

668
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: It's been nearly a year of unreturned emails, wrong numbers,

669
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: and all around royal runarounds. I've been waking up at

670
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: four am to call the Vatican so often that at

671
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: this I'm basically on Italian time, which is kind of

672
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: like being on a vacation in Italy with none of

673
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: the Italy but all of the sleep deprivation. It's while

674
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: complaining to my wife one day about how sleepy I

675
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: am all the time, how badly my neck and back hurt,

676
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: that I'm forced to ask myself did I have the

677
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: Elliott Curse. If I did, it wouldn't be so bad

678
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: if I had anything to show for it. As it is, though,

679
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in a Dan Brown novel, but

680
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: the boring parts like the table of contents or the

681
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: author's note that nobody reads. And to add insult to injury,

682
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: I've been at this so long that a new Archbishop

683
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: of Glasgow has finally been installed. So I phone Ronnie

684
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: Convrey and leave half a dozen messages over a number

685
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: of weeks. When someone finally does pick up, rather than

686
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: being granted an audience, I'm granted this.

687
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 9: Good afternoon, Ar's Diocese of Glasgow.

688
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: Hi, there is Ronnie Convy there.

689
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 5: I believe he is.

690
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 9: Can I ask who's calling?

691
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 12: Sure?

692
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: It's Jonathan Goldstein?

693
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: Right?

694
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 12: Can yield for a moment?

695
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: Certainly?

696
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 4: Hello?

697
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 10: Yes, you must have stepped away from his desk.

698
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: Do you think it would be okay to maybe try

699
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: him a little later?

700
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 10: His schedule is quite unpredictable, that's the only thing. He's

701
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 10: in and out quite a bit.

702
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

703
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: The only thing left to do is admit defeat. Except

704
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: for the fact that, unbeknownst to Ronnie Convrey, the Archbishop,

705
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: the Vatican and even me, in the Battle of Goldstein

706
00:41:47,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: versus the Curse, the curse was on the ropes. This

707
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: might have been the heaviest weight yet. But that's the

708
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: thing about heavy's weight. When you hoist them, there's no

709
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: finer feeling. But the only thing I've succeeded in hoisting

710
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: is myself by my own batards. And so, without another choice,

711
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: I phoned Dylan to tell him I failed.

712
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: Hello Dylan, Yeah, Hello, how are you?

713
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: More importantly, how are you? It's been fourteen months since

714
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Dylan first reached out to me, Another cursed year has

715
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: come and gone. The thought of how violently, excruciatingly Baldy

716
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: must be at this point is frankly too much to bear.

717
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: But what Dylan says next, you'll have to hear to believe.

718
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: How are things really good?

719
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 4: I've got a pretty great second half of a year,

720
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: to be honest, really yeah, it's everything seems to be

721
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 4: going a bit better.

722
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: You know, well, you sound different. I mean, your energy

723
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: feels different.

724
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 4: Y seem totally different. I feel kind of much much better.

725
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 4: I was kind of one a minute. Was there anything

726
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 4: in the background, of course?

727
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: Wise?

728
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: Because that's a really really good second half of the year.

729
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: I never dreamt of hearing the words really good, let

730
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: alone really really good come from the mouth of Dylan Elliott.

731
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: What was going on? And on top of that, it's

732
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: not just Dylan who's been feeling better.

733
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: It's on some quite good shape at the moment. Like

734
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: I mean, my brother Tim, he's accepted onto a PhD

735
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: course and he's got funding for it. It's going fantastic.

736
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: This is Tim using the word fantastic.

737
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 14: I'm suddenly working for myself, meeting offs of new interesting people,

738
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 14: having a really lovely time.

739
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: Is there a moment where you feel like things started

740
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: to turn?

741
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: I think probably beginning a still year in September, so.

742
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: Like in the fall. Yeah, this is a different you know,

743
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: a different Tim from when I spoke to you last Yes. Yes,

744
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: no muggings in the past year, zero zero muggings. That's

745
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: a net positive. How are things for Rory?

746
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 3: Oh, Rory's having a great time.

747
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 4: He just sent me a picture He's made.

748
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: Friends with a donkey. I think it is.

749
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 4: It's very small.

750
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: So what what?

751
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: What?

752
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: What? What does that mean?

753
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 4: When you just it's certainly a picture of.

754
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 10: Him and his friend, who is a donkey.

755
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 4: I guess.

756
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: Okay, where where is Rory?

757
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 10: I've moved to the West of Ireland. I'm really happy.

758
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: This is Rory living here with my partner, the donkey,

759
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: injury free. What about the mouth ulcers? Have they cleared up?

760
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 10: I don't have any any of them.

761
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Incredible For months, and perhaps most importantly and to my mind,

762
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: most insanely.

763
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 10: My ability to grow cabbages as really improved. Like this season,

764
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 10: my cabbages have been amazing.

765
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: And as a victory, lap Rory made wine from cabbages.

766
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 10: Mean it tastes like really strongly alcoholic fermented cabbage juice.

767
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 4: That's fair City.

768
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: When I just looked up cabbage wine, it seems as

769
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: though like one makes it with sixty percent cabbages and

770
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: forty percent grapes.

771
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 10: I'm filled cabbage.

772
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: You're going one hundred percent cabbage.

773
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 10: I'm fill cabbage.

774
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: Dylan sounds like a new man. Tim's doing his PhD.

775
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: Rory's dating a donkey. Even the Reaver Pub in Carlisle

776
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: that closed down just this year it reopened. What has changed?

777
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: Was it merely my trying to get the curse lifted

778
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: that perhaps weakened. It is lifting a curse like attempting

779
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: to open a pickle jar when it's just so impossible

780
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: that you give up and accept that you're never going

781
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: to eat pickles ever again. But then someone comes along

782
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: and pops it open. No problem because of all your

783
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: hard work. Had I loosen the pickle jar? I returned

784
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: to the Elliott Clan Society web page to reread the

785
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: curse for clues. Maybe while high stepping around like a jackass,

786
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: I'd inadvertently, Crane kicked some satanic goblin in the privates,

787
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: knocking him into a key structural beam of the Curse's

788
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: complex architecture. But when I get to the Curse's website,

789
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm shocked by what I find, because what I find

790
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: is nothing. In big block letters across the screen, it

791
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: reads error four O four page not found. The curse

792
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: has been removed.

793
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 9: Hello.

794
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: Hello, is this miss Elliott.

795
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 6: This is Marlbur's idiot speaking here.

796
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: And so I phone Margaret Elliott, chief of the Elliott

797
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: Clan Society slash web page. Oh hello, this is Jonathan

798
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: Goldstein calling. I don't know if you remember me, the

799
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: American podcaster.

800
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I remember.

801
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 6: Hi.

802
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to bother you. Might you just have a

803
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: couple of minutes to speak? I just had a I mean.

804
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 6: Yes, I've got I'm not terribly keen on talking about

805
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 6: this curse anymore.

806
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: I long for the olden days when Margaret was terribly

807
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: keen on talking about this curse.

808
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 9: Perfect well, I mean I could to get somebody on

809
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 9: the phone.

810
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: My middle name is Stewart.

811
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 9: You've inspired me.

812
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: Now all I have is a dumb old montage. I've

813
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: made enough calls to people desperate get off the phone

814
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: with me to know that I only have a few

815
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: minutes before Margaret hangs up. So I launched right into

816
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: my question why was the curse taken down from the

817
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: Elliot Clan website?

818
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 6: I asked for it to be taken down.

819
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: Uh, just had a pure curiosity. Was it taken down

820
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: because of me?

821
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 9: Yes?

822
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 6: I think you probably triggered something and maybe think all

823
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 6: the more deeply a budget and that I wanted to anyway,

824
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 6: So yes, it was you, awfulled.

825
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't my ability to procure a papal blessing, archbishop's

826
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: recantation or priestly exorcism that in the end got rid

827
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: of the curse. It was simply my ability to be annoying.

828
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: I annoyed that curse right out of existence on the internet.

829
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 6: It was all due to you.

830
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: You mean, knew take responsibility, I mean not to not

831
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: to you know, take all the credit.

832
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 9: But yeah, yeah, did take all the credit.

833
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: Why since the Elliot brother's luck began improving in the fall,

834
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: I run my donning theory about why by Margaret, I wonder, well,

835
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: this might seem silly to you, but might it correspond

836
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: to the fact that the curse was taken off the website.

837
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 4: I wouldn't think so.

838
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: No, but the intersection of the Elliot brothers change in

839
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: luck and the change in the web page is just

840
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: too tantalizing for me to let go of. So I

841
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: can't help but continue to toe dance on Margaret's last

842
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: remaining nerve. Do you remember the day that it was removed? No?

843
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 6: I did, Like I remember, do not put the two together.

844
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: Dylan Elliott's luck started to change around the end of

845
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: last year. I think the fall going into winter was

846
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: that I'm.

847
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 6: Not going to be sucked to this. I just absolutely

848
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 6: think it's entirely relevant.

849
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: But was that that wasn't around the generally the.

850
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 6: Okay, when I hope this is all done and dusted now, yes,

851
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 6: I think so good? Great, all right, have a nice day.

852
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, and tutelou, as they they.

853
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 9: Say, exactly, we say that all the time.

854
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: After speaking with Margaret, I searched the Internet archives and

855
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: discover in fact that indeed the page of the curse

856
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: was removed around the time of the Elliot's change in fortune. Okay,

857
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: now I'm going to ask you to try to find

858
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: that page about the Elliott curse. Together, Dylan and I

859
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: turned to the page of the curse on the Elliott

860
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Clan website.

861
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 4: Gone, let me see.

862
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: What do you see?

863
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 4: I can't find that page.

864
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: That's right, you can't find it. It's been removed.

865
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 4: Why how comes lifted?

866
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: Lifted? Not from reality technically, but from the.

867
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: Internet twenty first century.

868
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: Can we just at this point safely say that the

869
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: curse has been lifted?

870
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, actually definitely can. I think?

871
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: And when I ask Rory if he buys the whole

872
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: internet exorsus my idea scientist that he is, he carefully

873
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: analyzes the empirical evidence.

874
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, it's definitely possible.

875
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: You know, in fact, it's probable.

876
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 4: In fact, I think it's definitely the case.

877
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: Next time I'm in Carlisle, I'd like to buy you

878
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: a pint at the Reaver.

879
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 10: Pub, you know, yeah, I'd like to offer you a

880
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 10: glasses champaign.

881
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 4: Plans with the girlfriend to go off to brying a

882
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 4: camper van.

883
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: Very shortly, here's Dylan again, a camper van.

884
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to take it in the road and

885
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: kindick with traveling. It's just feeling the immense feeling of freedom.

886
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 4: It's been kind of incredible.

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Speaker 1: Are the Elliott Boys better off for anything I did?

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Speaker 1: Who knows? And frankly, at this point, they probably don't

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Speaker 1: even care. When things are going well, we don't think

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Speaker 1: too hard about the why of it. It's only when

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Speaker 1: things are bad that we do. That's when we seek

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Speaker 1: out therapists to analyze and exorcist to exercise. When things

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Speaker 1: are going well, we just enjoy them for as long

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Speaker 1: as they last, which usually isn't very long at all.

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Speaker 1: But for now, there's breathing space. When is your girlfriend

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Speaker 1: do over?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Imminently?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Okay, enjoy the rest of your day with your girlfriend.

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Speaker 4: Thanks a million, that's quickly, Okay.

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Speaker 15: Take it easy, Dylan, bye bye.

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Speaker 7: Now that the furnitures returning to its good will home,

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Speaker 7: now that the last month's rent is skiming with the damaged, possible.

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Speaker 6: Take this moment to dissolve.

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Speaker 7: If we met him, if we tried, we felt around

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Speaker 7: for five.

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Speaker 1: From the names at Accid and Leaves. This episode of

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Speaker 1: Heavyweight was produced by supervising producer Stevie Lane and me

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Goldstein, along with Mohemy mcgauker. Our senior producer is

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Speaker 1: Khalila Holt. Special thanks to Emily Condon, Alex Bloomberg, Valentina Powers,

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Speaker 1: Max Green, Domiano Marquetti, and Jackie Cohen. Bobby Lord mixed

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Speaker 1: the episode with original music by Christine Fellows, John K. Sampson,

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Speaker 1: Michael Hurst, Sean Jacoby, Blue Dot Sessions, and he himself,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Lord. Additional music credits can be found on our website,

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Speaker 1: the Weaker Than's courtesy of Epitaph Records. Follow us on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Heavyweight. This was the last episode of the season,

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Speaker 1: but we're already looking for stories for next year. So

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Speaker 1: if there's a moment from your past that you need

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Speaker 1: help resolving, please send us an email at Heavyweight at

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Speaker 1: gimlet media dot com. Have a happy and safe holiday season?

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Speaker 12: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Should I ask Aggie if he wants to come up

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Speaker 1: here and wish everyone a happy holiday season?

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Speaker 2: Ai?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be in the credits? Have a

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Speaker 1: happy and safe holiday season, Ogi

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Speaker 4: And will see you next y