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Speaker 1: That's right. I'm your host with Sean McDonald. Each Money

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Speaker 1: Making Conversation talk shows about entrepreneurship and entertainment. I provide

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Speaker 1: City based Juices for Life Juice bar and Pharmacy for

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Speaker 1: just letting instead of win. And I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: it because it just put me in a place because

426
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Speaker 1: we we we as businessmen, focus on business and family,

427
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Speaker 1: you know, so reading reading the book for me, I

428
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Speaker 1: also got to take that out because even doing what

429
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: with what we do with Juices for Life, pharmacy for life, music,

430
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: reading the book made me be able to accept me

431
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: and more vulnerable to my past, you know, to the

432
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: things that kind of you know, carved me and maybe

433
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: who I am it maybe kind of look at myself

434
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Speaker 1: more and you know, it shows to love somebody and

435
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Speaker 1: be with them twenty five years and know how intelligent

436
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: they are. But to see their their work and their

437
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: artwork make you reflect on your own past was was

438
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: something touching for me, especially the Paul was saying, I

439
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: couldn't really, I'm not one just by nature to show weakness.

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00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: So the book for her to be that open, and

441
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: it showed me that being open and accepting pain and

442
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,239
Speaker 1: accepting the things that that hurt you really actually make

443
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: you very much stronger. Like you hear it. You hear

444
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: it in philosophy, coal movies, and you you hear the

445
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 1: master tell the student that. But to get it from

446
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: your wife and to actually see it done in person

447
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: is it's more open again, especially with like I said,

448
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: well what we do we believe in in wellness, like

449
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: our brands are wellness. So it was that's something that

450
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: made me more well. Like I think we think healing

451
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: and food and it's it's success and all of that

452
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: is just financial or with food wise, but we don't

453
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: often deal what I sold enough on a realistic level,

454
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: like she said, loving yourself enough to understand who you are,

455
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: what you are, what you've been through and its like

456
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: it pretty much very it taught me a lot, especially

457
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: with it being my wife, you know. So it was

458
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: just odd that I took the same thing that you

459
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: took out of it, and even more over to day

460
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: and my wife, you know, wow, this is the power

461
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: couple I got on the phone will be today articulating

462
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: and defining, defining the path that we all should go down.

463
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: And so when I when I look at uh, you know,

464
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm writing a book. And it's interesting when you write

465
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: a book because you start remembering things that you had

466
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: actually forgotten, or you start remembering things that you don't

467
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: have no value, but it turns out to be important

468
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: to know. It's really crazy. It's really crazy when you

469
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Speaker 1: you know, when people start sitting down they started to

470
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: ask you question. You go, oh yeah I did that.

471
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh well I forgot about that. But but

472
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: that part that you forgot about shaped you. Yeah, yeah,

473
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: And it's really and so when and so when I

474
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: started reading your book, the reason, it was like it

475
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: was like it was like we're gonna start at a

476
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: traumatic moment and then we're gonna we're gonna tell a

477
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: story and moving forward. And it was such a beautiful

478
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: journey for me. You know, sixteen got your d d D.

479
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: Talking about your boy Fred Mike. You know, even though

480
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: you know sudden when styles came in your life after

481
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: after board Fred Mike went away. Then he took it

482
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: on responsibility when he called him dad, when she called

483
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: him daddy and uh, when she was six years old.

484
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: That moment right there, I thought, because it was written

485
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: in the book, was an important moment in both the relationship.

486
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: But how did it impact your styles? When she called

487
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: you daddy? Um, it was beautiful, it was. It was

488
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: shocking because you've been calling you David all the way

489
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: up to that point, A long time coming. It was

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Speaker 1: a long time coming. It was it was It was

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Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. I think when um, when you when

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00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: you step into a a child, delightful, a woman with

493
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: the child already, it's a fine line you have to walk,

494
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: especially you know there's a lot of things involved, um,

495
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: and you want to you know me, I've had a

496
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: step father before us. I know how it feels like,

497
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I just always wanted

498
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: to be cool, let her know that she has so

499
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: in there as a parent that loves us. But that's

500
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: not over stepping boundaries and just it's forcing forcing the way.

501
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: So for me, it was successful because it was the

502
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: opposite of what I had always seen and always seen done,

503
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: and it was approach. I think it was beautiful for

504
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: me as a young father and a young fiance husband

505
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: to be because, Um, the real, the real truth of

506
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: it is, we would, we would. We would both compare

507
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: how we grew up to the things we thought were good,

508
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: the things we thought were bad, things we thought we

509
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't do and we should do, and things we said

510
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: we would do totally different because how it made us feeling.

511
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: So that was one of them. And it worked out

512
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: to be beautiful and successful and we had a super

513
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: dope bond, like you know what I mean. And and

514
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. There's just moments like that that

515
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: I kept pulling out, you know, in the in the

516
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: in the book. You know, you know, I thought it

517
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: was a great moment when you talking about how your

518
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: dad said get out, get out, you know, and you know,

519
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: because that was just that. That's a dad, that's a

520
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: dad saying, hey, you know you want to be grown.

521
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you grown. I'm gonna show you grown. Yeah. Um,

522
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: you know a lot of things and they are relevant.

523
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: Certain things are relevant to others, you know more than others. Um,

524
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: because to me, just even reflecting back on it, that

525
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: that that a little six year old thing was huge

526
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: in my life in terms of her calling you know

527
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: him daddy. But you know, to a lot of people

528
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: are probably irrelevant, but it is a real kind of

529
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: significant point. You know, it is very significant, especially as

530
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: um first step dad, especially for me, you know so too, Yeah,

531
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: you know it's it's all about, you know, emotional growth,

532
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: physical growth, financial growth. And wonder line that stood out

533
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: for me was like, well, you know, my man's styles

534
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: started growing, his profile as a writer. He went from

535
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: bad board money to rough ride of money. It was

536
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: coming in left and right. And you know, if people

537
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: don't understand money, you know, we especially the entertainment, money

538
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: comes in ways. You know, it might not be that

539
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: steady check now what yours. Being entrepreneurs, you can expect steadiness,

540
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: but in entertainment, you know, big check five dollars, million

541
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: dollars to million dollars can come your way and guess what,

542
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: maybe six months later another check may not come, or

543
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: or smaller, much smaller check comes and so when it

544
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: comes in, sometimes you don't know what to do with

545
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: the money, but spend it? How did you? Because I

546
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: remember I had a I had. I was leasing them. Uh,

547
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: I was leasing them cell of Mercedes. I was leasing

548
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: like three cars. Didn't because I because I could lease

549
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: them because I was making that kind of money. How

550
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: did you jump? And I was much older than you guys,

551
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: y'all were young. How did y'all translate that ability to

552
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: mature with your money and move forward? Because one of

553
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: the things you did was by a townhouse. It's three

554
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: bare room, three bad townhouse were one of the best

555
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: investments you made early on. But tell us about the

556
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: journey into the money and evolving as young adults. Okay,

557
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: well that was one of our first I guess our

558
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: wisest person purchase the townhouse. Before then and in between

559
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: then and all around then were screwed up. Okay, it

560
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: was a lot of a lot of messing up, a

561
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: lot of trial and error we learned from and um,

562
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, because it's not it fluctuates the money. It's

563
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: not really consistent in terms of in the business. You know,

564
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Yeah, and that's part of what, you know,

565
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: why we actually started the other businesses because we needed

566
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: more consistency, you know. So, um, just taking advantage of

567
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: your brain, taking advant of brain. So let's yes, let's look,

568
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to shift. I want to shift the

569
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: book out a little because I definitely want to give

570
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of attention to the Juices for Life

571
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: and the Farmer for the Life, because these are not

572
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: onederstand locations. These guys are in multiple locations. Talk to

573
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that, and I go, I

574
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: ride styles with Jusice for Life, and now I come

575
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: back with you with Farmer for Farmacy for Life. As

576
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: you said, it's about full got you, so tell us

577
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: about Jusices for Lifestyles Juice for life. Man, we um,

578
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: we like cheers for healthy folks like you know what

579
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean. We just started to bring up um we

580
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: have four locations in the job. God willingly um will

581
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: have a location in every state one day. Congratulations. We

582
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: just we just we just wanted to bring something to

583
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: to the neighborhoods that we knew a food deserts as

584
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: they say. You know, um, when you come from our background,

585
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: you see just look at stores Chinese food stores, fast

586
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: food stores, and we just wanted to provide something that

587
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: people could come in and get some balance, touch back

588
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: to their roots and things, you know, your mom told

589
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: you Apple day keeps the doctor away. You know, always

590
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: eat the eat the vegianes on your plate. So those

591
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: are things we felt we're lost within our community. So

592
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: we felt like it would be just small for us

593
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: to show people away because people are often you know, um,

594
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: like you say, we like nice things, man, like we

595
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: we love I love nice stuff. That yeah, I love

596
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: nice stuff. But being a wrap that, we started noticing

597
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: that people, you know, they tend to look at music,

598
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 1: they tend to look at Instagram, social media, and not

599
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: really pay attention to the inside of their body. And

600
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: we like nice things. So we want to kind of

601
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: live as long as we can, and we want to

602
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: prevent things that you know, Black people don't go to

603
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: the doctor and get enough insurance in the hood. So

604
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: we just wanted to provide something. Go hey, it's preventitive measures. Uh,

605
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: ask some balance in your life, um, and you could

606
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: come sit down and and meet with different people from

607
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: different communities around the neighborhood and have a good talk

608
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: over something healthy like you know. So that was our

609
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: goal and we've accomplished it and we got a lot

610
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: more to do, a lot more accomplished than to do.

611
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: And by the grace of God will get it done.

612
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: And if not, those we hope we lay out enough

613
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: blueprint for people who aren't following and just take it after.

614
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: It's amazing the good your turn. Ah, that's okay. It's

615
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: the pharmacy to life, that pharmacy with an app. It's

616
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: basically just Juici Life justter company. UM, basically the same,

617
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: same method. But what we're trying to do is basically

618
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that don't have health insurance

619
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: and we're aware of that. UM, we try to cater

620
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: to those people. We try to cater to Uh the

621
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: how should I say? Well, I don't want to say

622
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: it's just like that, but anyway, people that don't This

623
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: whole interviewee company, she stepped off now he stepped on

624
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: sept off. Um. But basically, yeah, Pharmacy for Life is

625
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: just you know, since their company. We have vitamins, we

626
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: have supplements, we have c we have basically to keep

627
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: your immune systems together strong. We have oil, you know,

628
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: we have lad of Rock route, we have black seed oil,

629
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: we have female we have barertops supplements, a lot more coming,

630
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot more coming, you know, I really want to um,

631
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, have a twenty two year daughter. And I'm

632
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: going to drift them back to the book now because

633
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I definitely want to let you know how that book

634
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: affected me. Um. I'm gonna slow down a manute here

635
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: so you know, and you know, the nightmare is that

636
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: I would have to bury her. And that's a nightmare

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so no signals, no signs when you

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Speaker 1: wrote this book. The ultimate message was we talked about

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Speaker 1: in the beginning, and I'm just telling you how I feel. Um.

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Speaker 1: I try to talk to my daughter, Uh, I try

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Speaker 1: on the I've raised her, my mom was raised her.

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Speaker 1: I've raised her on the phone. Okay, I have so

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Speaker 1: I have some clips that I want to give her

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Speaker 1: one day when when she used to just call lead

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Speaker 1: So I know the impact of of of a loss,

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Speaker 1: but a bigger impact of your children and you're burying

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Speaker 1: them and the what else. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: that you said earlier early on was that you didn't

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Speaker 1: want the drama or the trauma to slow your growth. Yes. Um, basically,

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Speaker 1: what I mean on that is, that's such a a shot.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's such a big heavy blow that and

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Speaker 1: people cannot move forward. And I mean, and that's how

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Speaker 1: how heavy it was. I felt like there was just

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Speaker 1: no tomorrow, there was no moving forward. Um. But I'm

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Speaker 1: very I'm also very spiritual, so just in doing some

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Speaker 1: deep work and trying to have a real great will

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Speaker 1: to want to move forward and knowing that this situation

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be broken, to be broken into

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Speaker 1: something else, you know. Um. I kind of used that

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Speaker 1: and knowing that I've had other experiences, not in bad,

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Speaker 1: but that will be most likely the worst. But I

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Speaker 1: just that I just I cannot um, I can't stops

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Speaker 1: and all those things. Yea in the book described the

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Speaker 1: unbreakable ball between mother and daughter on side note that

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Speaker 1: they sent over sending you guys are working on a

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Speaker 1: I was getting to that. I was waiting for us

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Speaker 1: Sigo though. You know, he's just a sideline. He's like

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Speaker 1: too many plays. Let's go talk on somebody. Yeah, we um,

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Speaker 1: we're working on a podcast, a vegan couch show. Also,

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Speaker 1: we're working on a few other shows. But we're keeping

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Speaker 1: in mind of what's actually happening in the world today

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Speaker 1: with the coronavirus and making show. We take our time.

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Speaker 1: They'd be mindful stay healthy, playing it out right. So, um,

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Speaker 1: we would have been shooting already, but we we you know,

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Speaker 1: we have a few things coming we Um, we have

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Speaker 1: a Locks album coming out. Congratulations. Yeah that's coming out.

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Speaker 1: That should be that should be out five fifteen. Um,

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Speaker 1: send me your followers on that. Stop. Please send me

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Speaker 1: some banners, some some drops so I can promote it

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Speaker 1: for you. Okay, yeah for sure. Um uh, she's a

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Speaker 1: in on my new my next solo album over here,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm almost I'm almost wrapped

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Speaker 1: up with that. Um. We're also going to be working

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Speaker 1: on another book, but we're gonna get that. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get the cookbook out first and then she she has

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Speaker 1: some she has some workers store for you. We don't

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Speaker 1: like to lay all out through too much. We like

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Speaker 1: our goal. But I got to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: this before I go down. In your credit it said

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Speaker 1: celebrity baker. Yeah, I can talk to you about that. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't work Jesus, hold hold up, not hold up not style. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't talk. I don't bring up that talk unless

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Speaker 1: I got some juice. I had my day, but I

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Speaker 1: you know. But you're gonna see that vegan cookbook come

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Speaker 1: out from US plant based cookbook. And when we do

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Speaker 1: the cookbook Gold, we will not forget regularly eaters. We will.

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Speaker 1: You don't just jump into veganism and plant based. People

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Speaker 1: this is the best thing you could do. But my wife,

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Speaker 1: You got a hype man for as a baker. I

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Speaker 1: he throwing out that greatness. He thought. But before we go, now,

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Speaker 1: that is where. That is what I take away, and

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846
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: read your book, I understand I can understand where it

847
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: came from. The nature of growing up in Chicago and

848
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: and having less but given more. That was that seemed

849
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: to be the signal of your whole life. Correct, Yeah, yeah,

850
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean I really believe that it's all about giving.

851
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: You know, if you want to have something, you gotta

852
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: learn to give all to all. If you give everything

853
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: that everybody, you don't have so much stuff, you don't hand,

854
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: no place to put it. Man, and you didn't. And

855
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: so let let's break down your family dynamic. You know,

856
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: your father, you know, let's talk about this book. First

857
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: of all, the book I'm talking about Michael Golds Motivational.

858
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: It's his third book, and it's a very honest book.

859
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: You talk about your mom relationship with your father, which

860
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: at the time was physical, but your mom was really

861
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: the physical person in that domestic relationship. You talk about

862
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: being wolf. They were talk into battles, yes, to get

863
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: into battles. You talk about get into battles because of

864
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: the alcoholism, you know, And and that's something that carried

865
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: over to our lives, to me and my brothers. You know,

866
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: we all end up having some types of addiction. And

867
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: our addiction began came honestly, you know, because my dad

868
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: was an addict and his addiction with alcoholism, and he

869
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: was just a beautiful man that we just absolutely loved.

870
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: But he loved that bottlement, you know. And I mean

871
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: if he could he get thing, and that bottle, that

872
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: bottle was his thing, you know. And and and my

873
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: mother loved him. But he drink up all the profit.

874
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: So you know, he'd come home and we wouldn't have nothing.

875
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: He'd be bubbling and he were one of them happy drunks.

876
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: To the candidate, did he just drink for herself? But

877
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: he wants to treat everybody else. So we'd be at

878
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: sid that the whole house break broke. My mom and

879
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: them would get into the fight. But like I said,

880
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: she wouldn't she wouldn't really fight her. She'd fight him

881
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: and she was five for even he was six ft three.

882
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: She would attack him, you know, and he would never

883
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: fight it. He hold up getting hurt, but she just

884
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: she just really loved him. Go ahead, I'm sorry to

885
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: go ahead. Oh no, no, Mike. This is your moment

886
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: with my on my show Money Making Conversation because it's

887
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: your book and I want to promote the book. I

888
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: read the book. Everything's very fresh in my mind because

889
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: it's very vivid book. You know. Let me just some

890
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: things that just stood out for me. You know, seven

891
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: years old, you know as Star foods, you know those

892
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: farty ounces that you would uh, you know, take it

893
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: to the house. My first hustle, that was your first house.

894
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: Your second hustle was Columbia Records Club. I'll you some man,

895
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: you broke back so many memories. Man, I forgot about

896
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: Columbia Records. Man. I you remember, I'm Jesus man. When

897
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: you when I was reading your book and you came

898
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: up to Columbia Records club. I went, oh my god,

899
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: I remember that you joined. They seen you all these

900
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: albums and then it was for like eleven cents or

901
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: something like that was love and sent for eleven albums. Man,

902
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: it was unbelievable, you know. And then at each time

903
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: I would send for him, I just changed my name

904
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: because you know, I was sending for the eleven albums

905
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: and then I take them across the street and sell

906
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: them at the at the grade school didn't teach us

907
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: for like three dollars each, so I was I was

908
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: cleaning up. And then after I told the first time,

909
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: I'd come back and changed my name. So first I

910
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: do with Michael Kay, then Michael Keith, then Keith Michaels

911
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: and Keith then Kya Michaels. That changed the let us

912
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: around to relock and let them relock. I did about

913
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: eleven times before they finally caught on that they kept

914
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: sending package in to the same address, like, uh, we

915
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: would cut that off. But what a great hustle that was, brother.

916
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: But this is why I so enjoyed your book, because

917
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: of the fact that it was just bringing back you know,

918
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: your your your your car Bearcless Saber Man. It was like,

919
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, I I couldn't help, but just keep smiling

920
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: when I keep getting the different sections of the book.

921
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: And I was going like, man, this like memory lane,

922
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: just talking to this. And you was in Chicago and

923
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: I grew up in Houston. But we were basically the

924
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: same age. But we were still living the life and

925
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: enjoying moments. You know, hot water, corn bread, butter milk,

926
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: Jim Teason only thing I took a fence on in

927
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: your book. Man, your daddy loved butter milk. I love

928
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: butter milk. My car. I couldn't do butter milk. Ain't

929
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: butter milk, spoiled milk. It doesn't matter. You put a sugar,

930
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: that bad boy. You put some sugar that boy in

931
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: that's butter milk. And you would have thought he was

932
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: a kid in the ice cream store. He was just happy.

933
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: If they could see. I was like, I'm not having

934
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: no butter. Now what about low on the hall? Did

935
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: you eat pig feet cheese? See I'm chidling, see Michae.

936
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm just I ain't do chidling, but I love the

937
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: hog head cheese. Now the good maybe a little bit

938
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: worse than both. From now, I can still eat chidlings today.

939
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: But I can't mess with the cheese and crackers. I

940
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: can't even mess with that. No boy was come in

941
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: with peace feet, and apparently you had to purchase some

942
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: bad pair. Yes. So he would come in with hairs

943
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: and the hair would still be on, and he would

944
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: have him wrapped in newspaper. It wasn't even like it

945
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: wasn't even like brown Butcher's paper. It was just newspaper.

946
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: They wrapped on me in and he'd come and lay

947
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: him on the front room floor and unopened the paper

948
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: like he was opening a wonderful floral killer. And it

949
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: would be like four past set of PC. I just

950
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: run with him home. I just go. I just rather though,

951
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: and start running. You know, I wouldn't come back to

952
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: it becausen't heating them. Know. You know, My daddy always

953
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: said my brothers to come and catch me because I

954
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: was always running west thinking I was coming to Hollywood,

955
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: but I'm really just going west on for the third street,

956
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, and they always just what's on point third?

957
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: You'll get it. My brother come and picked me up,

958
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: bringing home. I take my whooping in week call of

959
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: to day. That was so funny, you said, because it's

960
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: just an inch on the map. So I thought, like

961
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: Chicago to California Hollywood on the map, I mean three

962
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: thousand miles. Man, man this book. I was just letting

963
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: everybody know I'm talking to Michael Car. Youre, uh, the

964
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: famous Michael Car. Yeah, the Venice beating king to Michael Car.

965
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: You gave his donations. When they want Star Trek, start wars,

966
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: start start searching, Michael Car, Um, Michael. You know when

967
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: I when I look at our relationship, I'm just get

968
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: personal right now. When I met Michael Car, you, Michael

969
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: Car basically took me on his wings because my car

970
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: was famous. When I met him, he was famous. Okay.

971
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: He would walk up to all the agencies and he

972
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: he walked me in there with him, and I could

973
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: I was. And that's why I kind of like learned

974
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: a lot of things how to, how to the skills

975
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: that I learned later on as a manager and doing contracts.

976
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: When I was with him and he would just talk

977
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: and here and I just see the agents and how

978
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: they would react to him. I was how they would

979
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: put projects together, and it was really inspirational just to

980
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: see what you were accomplishing and you was doing it.

981
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: You were just doing it from a guy who had

982
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: a vision who came from Chicago and started performing on

983
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: the beach. And that idea came from some guys that

984
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: you was watching in Chicago who was doing street performing

985
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: and you saw them getting money. You said hey, because

986
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: at the time you said you never tell jokes on

987
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: the street. But you saw those two guys performing and

988
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: the checks they were getting or the cash they were getting,

989
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: that changed your mind. Correct in Chicago, exactly exactly. And

990
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: then I mean because I was on stages. I was

991
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: getting on a little bitty stages making third ourts here

992
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: before it ours there, and they was like, oh, you

993
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: should come out in the street and do street performance.

994
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I ain't know damn street public.

995
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm not on the street big and people to give

996
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: me money. And then I still watched them one day

997
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: and they filled this little brown bag up with money.

998
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh lord, I got the least traded this,

999
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, And it changed my entire life. That was nineteen,

1000
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: that was five, and it changed my life because immediately

1001
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: I became one of the best street performances in Chicago,

1002
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: and I made so much money. Then you know, winter

1003
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: came and when nobody trying to hit no jokes on

1004
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: State Street in December, you know. So that's what encouraged

1005
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: me to go to California, where I thought it was

1006
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: warm all year round, and I found Venice Beach Man

1007
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: and I mean those nine years then defined to me

1008
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: as a human being. It actually defined let's let's describe

1009
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: exactly for people to know what was going on here. Okay.

1010
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a small crowd, you know, and it

1011
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: Venice Beach in Venus Beach. If you go there, if

1012
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: you go to California, you gotta go to Venice Beach.

1013
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: It's like a walking entertainment. And anything that you have

1014
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: heard about Venus Beach, the Muscle Beach is still there. Okay.

1015
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: Women walking around Scanton clad in bikinis they do that. Okay,

1016
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: they roller skating down on in bikinis they do that. Okay,

1017
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: thongs they do that, and women and so so so

1018
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: imagine me. You know, this big, huge crowd I'm talking about,

1019
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: I would have to say anywhere from three or four

1020
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: hundred people just in a big crowd, and he had

1021
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 1: this young man, young man in the middle of them,

1022
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: just entertaining them. And I mean for that's said. What

1023
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: you said was about anywhere about forty minutes, wasn't it, Michael?

1024
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: That you were out there each show was an hour.

1025
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 1: I would do forty minutes of comedy and then twenty

1026
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: minutes to get my money. Absolutely, that's right. And then

1027
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: he had a little the little you know, like he

1028
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: was funny, the money grabbed what you're like, the little

1029
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: you know when you walk around you pick up trash

1030
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: off the off the ground. He had that, I remember, Michael,

1031
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: and I would I would look at this, Wow, how

1032
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: could he do that? Because I'm talking about this has

1033
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: Venice Beach so beautiful sunshine, you know, and so people

1034
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 1: have stopped what they were doing, and he held them.

1035
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean he said, come on, arong, come on, aroung ground,

1036
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden the crowd ground, and then

1037
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: then more people will come, and then the end he

1038
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: got his money and he went on. By this business, Michael,

1039
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: how did you do it? Man? On the amount of

1040
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: concentration you had to have to be able to perform

1041
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: like that in any event where Sunny's Guys, Pretty Women,

1042
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: muscle beach, food, live music, other competitors out there performing

1043
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: on the streets. How did you pull it off. And

1044
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: then here's the funny point. I would ask Micael, to Micael,

1045
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: because you have to get your spot, and he had

1046
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: he had the same spot all the time because you

1047
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: so he said, no, no, Shine, I got I paid

1048
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: somebody they come there and get my spot early. I

1049
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: mostly came early on my own. You know, I wish

1050
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: I could have done that one. I wish I could

1051
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: have paid somebody. I was too stupid for that. I

1052
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: would come early enough. And because it's a funny story

1053
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: about that, and like just to give a quick quick

1054
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: recap of it, I would go every Saturday and Sunday,

1055
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: and I'd worked from noon until five pm, roughly five.

1056
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: When I was shows, I'd be surrounded by anywhere from

1057
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: three to seven d people. And I did it through

1058
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: necessity because when I got to California, I thought I

1059
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: was gonna hit clubs and make money and that wasnot

1060
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: And then I went to Venice Beach and white folks

1061
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: would come up and put money right in the basket

1062
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: and I had to steal nothing. I had to cheat

1063
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: to tell a couple of jokes. And so I started

1064
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: out trying to go every single day. I tried to

1065
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: do every day out there. But I discovered from working

1066
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: it that the money was only there on the weekend,

1067
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: and the money was really only there from noon until five,

1068
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: because after five o'clock, Uh, all the white folks left

1069
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: and took their money with him, and the brothers in

1070
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: histantics would come out with bad attitudes, and so it

1071
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: wasn't really no need to stay there after that. And

1072
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: then didn't show up and feel new, go ahead. Now,

1073
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: I was just I was just obviously enjoying because you're

1074
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: taking me back down, relaying because of the fact that

1075
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: everything he's said, like I said, I didn't, I didn't

1076
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: if that seven hundred number was not a lie all

1077
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: it was like people were peeping over over a people

1078
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: sitting the top of each other's shoulders so they can

1079
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: see the show. Because he was he was just surrounded

1080
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: and he had enough space to be able to entertain himself.

1081
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: And then sometimes now then sometimes you offer like wouldn't

1082
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: he let other people perform? And sometimes to do your

1083
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: set sometimes because you you didn't be not and then

1084
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: another artist would come along, even the great Charlie Burnett,

1085
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: who was a great street performer in New York. He

1086
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: came out and did it once there's two kids to

1087
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: your comic guys named Seymour, can't think the other guy's name.

1088
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: And they went on and they're really famous in Vegas

1089
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: now doing comedy. And people would come through, but you know,

1090
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people's working. Vince Beast then R Kelly

1091
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: came out there for about six months before he made

1092
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: his big hit. The boys became famous while they were

1093
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: out there, and you know, so a lot of artists

1094
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: came out and did their thing, and you know, but

1095
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: the thing wasn't be able to stay, to be able

1096
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: to stick with it and go year after year after year.

1097
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: So the first year I was sort of figuring it out.

1098
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: But at the end of the first year, I was

1099
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: teaching other people how to do it, how to get

1100
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: their money, you know, how to collect money as well

1101
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: as to do the work of it. Didn't show business,

1102
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying about. If you ain't getting

1103
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: paid and you just out there, it's a craft, it's

1104
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: not a job. But for me, it was a job.

1105
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: So I had to also make the money, you know,

1106
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: and I would get people to compete with each other

1107
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: to pay me. So I would go group by group

1108
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: and I say when I say up, up, you put

1109
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: your money in the air and scream ye old, and

1110
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this money. Grab on, then pull the

1111
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: money out, and now if you get a fat will

1112
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: be on. People gonna plause. If you could attend, we

1113
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: don't cheer. If you give me a point, we're gonna

1114
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: go crazy. So people pull out bigger and bigger bills

1115
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: to get more recognition that when I go to the

1116
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: second group, I say, I know you're not gonna take

1117
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: this off of them. I know y'all will do better

1118
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: than them. So they would try to beat each other.

1119
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: It will come times when sometimes crips and the blood

1120
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: will come out and they would take different sides and

1121
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: try to outspend each other. They try to see who

1122
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: could put the most money in the basket. So it

1123
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: became a phenomenal game. And every time I was the

1124
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: weller because I went on with the bath. You know.

1125
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: And the thing is is this summer I'm going back

1126
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: out hopefully in June to shoot it as the one

1127
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: hour special. I'm building a stage for myself that looks

1128
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: like a king's crown, stand in the middle of that crown,

1129
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do a one hour probably show called

1130
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: the King of Business Beach. So right now we're in

1131
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: the process of of seeking folks to help actually come

1132
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: up with that funding. But it's gonna happen, June. I'm

1133
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: shooting that. You know that that's going to be special.

1134
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 1: Let's go back a little bit about your family, because

1135
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: your family shaped you, Michael, and you talk about it

1136
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: in your book. Uh, Michael goes motivation. You talked about

1137
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: your oldest brother who, out of frustration, he joined the

1138
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: army went to Vietnam. He was only sixteen, told there

1139
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: was seventeen. He went over there and became a sniper. Uh.

1140
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: You talked about the impact of Uh, you know, because

1141
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: because it was five boys. You know, your your father

1142
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: who was a trade man, you know, six three handsome guy,

1143
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: he was a tailor. You know. So now I understand.

1144
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: I understand that. Now I understand you're looking at because

1145
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: Michael was another person, not that he always was shop

1146
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: I never understand why he was always sho. I understand

1147
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: that came from the family. My daddy was sharp, and

1148
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: so my oldest brother, Dave Jr. The one who went

1149
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: off to nob he too was so sharp and he

1150
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: was really able to be sharp when he came back.

1151
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: Being in the military, you know, he was able to

1152
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: go and get these clothes made from all over the world.

1153
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: He'd go to Korea, and you know when you go

1154
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: to Korea and get a nice super now dollars, and

1155
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: he'd go over there and he'd come back. And I

1156
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: mean when when I was in high school and I

1157
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be an actor, and so when I

1158
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: got out, I came right to California and I stayed

1159
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: with my big brother for a little while, and he

1160
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: had wall to wall clothing, I mean suits from one

1161
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: end of the house to the other. He had shoes

1162
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: from one end of the other, hat tennis racket and

1163
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I've gotta do that when I

1164
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: grow up. And to this day, I just loved dressing.

1165
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: I can't wait for an excuse or reason to dress up,

1166
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: you know. And so yeah, so I get it from

1167
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: my dad. It was a tailor and a presser. In fact,

1168
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: we grew up in the projects Chicago, Robert Taylor home

1169
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: for a three big two South State parking band on

1170
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: man and the Jewish people. But the old Jewish businessman

1171
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: would seek my father out that fixed close for them

1172
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: to create suits for them and to and to fix

1173
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: the clothing that they had, you know, because my dad

1174
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: knew about clothing and he was just a shop dresser

1175
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: and a classy cat. You know, go ahead, glad O.

1176
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: The reason I enjoyed here because this is what's in

1177
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: the book. This is the that that the passion that

1178
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: you hear Michaels VARs the storytelling and so you know,

1179
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the book he talks about, you know,

1180
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some typos, they're gonna be some corrections

1181
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: of this, about don't worry about that, and then then

1182
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: he repeats a red fox joke. That's what that cracked

1183
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: me up. You go. I know I said it earlier,

1184
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: but it was so funny. I'm gonna say it again, right,

1185
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: I just I wanted to say it again. It was like,

1186
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm going to read the book that

1187
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: you're doing. You know, I'm talking to Michael Carl youre

1188
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: the book I'm talking about it. Michael goes uh goes motivational.

1189
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: It's the third book, Michael, this book in the end

1190
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: because you get really uh spiritual, you really go to

1191
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: the motivation. And the reason I like it because of

1192
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: the fact that I think, in other words, another for

1193
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: somebody to tell you why you should listen to my motivation.

1194
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: You need to listen to my journey. And your book

1195
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: is about a journey. Your book starts as a young

1196
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: kid and talking about you know, your failures. You know, uh,

1197
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, being rich several times over, a millionaire several

1198
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: times over, and you know, and but it also shows

1199
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: uh flaws, And I think that you want to listen

1200
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: to the flaws or here the flaws too, because when

1201
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: I was talking about the beginning of my show, always

1202
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: talking about there they're gonna be failures, and they're gonna

1203
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: be mountains, They're gonna be valleys, and your book is

1204
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: about those valleys, correct, and how you how you still

1205
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: see the motem both of them, because the balance of

1206
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: the universe is that there are ups and down you know.

1207
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people think that the road

1208
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: to success is linear, and rarely is it linear. There's

1209
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: always the ups and the downs, you know. Like I

1210
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: like to say, I've been riched three times, but I've

1211
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: been broke fourteen from way more comfortable with brokes than

1212
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: I am. Riched me and broke, like first cousins will

1213
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: the first name basis I don't make hot water cormbrea

1214
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: from scratch. I don't make corn meal much, you know,

1215
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: and you probably know what you know what you if

1216
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: national it's on the direction for corn meal. Muchis on

1217
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: every box of corn meal. When you can't afford cereal,

1218
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: you burial corn meal and water, you put in a

1219
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 1: pinc of salt, milk and sugar and yum, yum yum.

1220
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, my parents were so poor they couldn't even

1221
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: afford the kids. The lady nick don't head us. That's

1222
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, and so we so

1223
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: we we knew poverty. I come from public but when

1224
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: I got to visits, I learned money because people just

1225
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: paying me, paying me, paying me, and I didn't have

1226
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of responsibilities. All I had with cash. So

1227
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, after I so much money and so many

1228
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: people knew me, that's when my addiction kicked in because I,

1229
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: like I said, Robin Williams said, the best cocaine is

1230
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: guy's way of saying you're making too much of damn money.

1231
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: And so I end up started slow like most people.

1232
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: A little weed, did a little blow. Then I found

1233
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: that crack rocket and oh oh oh, you know, I

1234
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: end up spending twenty three years and in a crack

1235
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: of addiction. So as of two Sundays ago, as of

1236
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: March first, I now have nine years of pure sobriety.

1237
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: But I guarantee you I lost more friends, more jobs,

1238
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: and more opportunities than I can't even name because of

1239
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: my addiction. In fact, I am certain that you recognize

1240
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: my addiction in a meeting I had with you, a

1241
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: very important lunch meeting with you, and I had been

1242
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: getting hot all the night before. But see, people who

1243
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: are are drugs, they don't think nobody can tell they're

1244
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: getting hot but them when they're getting ht. And I

1245
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: showed up, I had cleaned up, I had freshened up,

1246
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: and I was sitting there talking to you, and I

1247
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: know I was sweating like a Kelly in the playground

1248
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even that hot. And and I know

1249
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: you was wondering, why is this sweating like that? Or

1250
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: maybe you wasn't wondering, maybe you knew that the symptoms

1251
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: of that dance that I was doing that threw my

1252
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: my whole game office track, you know, and something him

1253
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: though you have to the only way you can get

1254
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: around the thing, to go through it. You know what

1255
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Well, that's what you've done, and you're you're

1256
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: absolutely correct when you said that, Michael, is that you

1257
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: know the journey. And that's why I tell people I'm

1258
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: fortunate to see and be a part of his life

1259
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: and know that when when when he talks about twenty

1260
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: three years of hell and twenty three years of trying

1261
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: to find himself in twenty three years of making mistakes

1262
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: and be an addiction, that's where the god. That's why

1263
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: the book is important because he talks about his father's

1264
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: addiction to alcohol. It's not something that that you know

1265
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Speaker 1: that he wanted. Sometimes you know when we've learned that

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Speaker 1: through science that that is that is part of that

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Speaker 1: can be like a gene trade in you and it's

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Speaker 1: something you have to be. If you're aware of it,

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Speaker 1: then you then you can you look forward. But when

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Speaker 1: you when you're growing, that lifestyle was there was so

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Speaker 1: normal to see your dad even though he was he

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01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: was a tailor, very skilled person, but he liked he

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Speaker 1: liked being like so when you hang out with people

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Speaker 1: who buy them drinks and the money didn't come home

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: because guess what everybody at the club or the night

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Speaker 1: at the bar. It had a better experience, and he

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Speaker 1: was gonna bring home financially. And so what you said

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01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: it that money didn't come home. You know that right now.

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Speaker 1: Money didn't come And that's why your book was just

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Speaker 1: so so appealing to me. And it was such relatable.

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Speaker 1: Whenever when I talk about you're talking about your mom

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Speaker 1: was working at Spiegel Magazine. I'm when I was so

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01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: Spiegel Magazine. I said, boy, I said if I could

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Speaker 1: hit him, if I could be next time. He didn't say,

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01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: because because he here's it. Here's a thing that I

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01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: find relatable. When you start talking about Tasty Freeze, you know,

1287
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: going that getting baree. Let's go back to feel. But

1288
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: do you remember the Spiegel catalog. Come on now, Michael, Michael.

1289
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 1: In the back page be all pictures of little puppies

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Speaker 1: that you could buy. Speak, Oh my god. I love

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Speaker 1: the Spiegel and the toy section out of this world.

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01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think I ever got any of it,

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Speaker 1: but I'm love looking at them. Every I could wait

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Speaker 1: for the Christmas issue of the Spiegel magazine. Man and

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: Tasty Freeze. What you know about Tasty Freeze? There were

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Speaker 1: two great magazines when we came up. It was serious

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Speaker 1: magazine and it was Speagel Magazine. Now the Speaker magazine

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01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: Liberty a little bit more fashionable, you know, little it

1299
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: was a lot as thick as the series magazine Sears Roller,

1300
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: But that Speagel Magazine, I think that was bigger in

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Speaker 1: the in the in the black community to speak on

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Speaker 1: magazine was our magazine. It was our magazine. You know,

1303
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: that was our magazine. Man, and we look forward to that. Man.

1304
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: That was that was online shopping before it was online.

1305
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: Thank you. You look at that magazine that people catalogs

1306
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: have it, yes, to have stuff that was in there,

1307
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it meant a lot to me. That

1308
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Speaker 1: my mama's first job, you know, and and that and

1309
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Speaker 1: that was the beginning of her liberation as well, you know,

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Speaker 1: because she had to leave my dad. And she didn't

1311
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 1: have to leave because she didn't love him. She loved

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Speaker 1: my father and he loved us. But my mother wanted

1313
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: more for her boys. She didn't want us to spend

1314
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Speaker 1: the rest of our lives in the project. She just

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Speaker 1: wanted more for us and was really really deep that

1316
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: I found out and writing this book with Shawn, I

1317
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, it's a it's a journey of self discovery.

1318
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: There was so much stuff about my own family that

1319
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know until I started writing this book, and

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: question I didn't know. I mean, my mother ended up

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Speaker 1: marrying Walter Smith, who was my stepfather, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that he was her first high school sweetheart, that

1323
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Speaker 1: he she he took her to her first prim he

1324
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Speaker 1: did the block away from her. He was so deeply

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Speaker 1: in love with her that he asked her father for

1326
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Speaker 1: her hand in marriage when she was sixteen, and he said, no, no,

1327
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Speaker 1: she's too young. And so he went away and joined

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Speaker 1: the navy. And while he was god, my mama ran

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Speaker 1: into my father, or he must have run into her

1330
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Speaker 1: several times. But car she up and get pregnant, and

1331
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Speaker 1: that was it for Walter Smith. Walter Smith was out

1332
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Speaker 1: of her life. My mother went on to have four

1333
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Speaker 1: more kids by my father. They had five kids. Twenty

1334
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Speaker 1: five years later, when my mama was trying to get

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Speaker 1: our life together, she'd win to Spiegels. She'd have made

1336
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Speaker 1: enough money to finally go to Sears driving school and

1337
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Speaker 1: learn how to drive. She went and bought our first car,

1338
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Speaker 1: a Woodie, and she took that car to get in

1339
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Speaker 1: service then Robin's Illinois. And you know when you get

1340
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: your car service, h you're sending in the back. Afterwards,

1341
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Speaker 1: they send in the back, and they watched it when

1342
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Speaker 1: she went back to get the car, watched and who

1343
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: do you think is washing the car? Her high school

1344
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: sweere Walter Smith. And all I could think of is

1345
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: what went through my mama's head. And she watched Walter

1346
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: rubbing and soping and sochoping and rubbing that car. I mean,

1347
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: they kicked it off like that. Twenty five years had

1348
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 1: never passed, and next thing, you know, they were a

1349
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: couple again. She went home and told my father all

1350
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Speaker 1: best was, she was getting the divorce and marrying Walter Smith.

1351
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Speaker 1: And so she stayed with my dad for twenty five years,

1352
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, and then she married high school sweetheart, who

1353
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: she stayed with until his death, you know. And he

1354
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: was a great stepfather. And we loved my father, you know,

1355
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Speaker 1: but we also understood what was going on. We watched

1356
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Speaker 1: the situation. We watched the constom fighting and my mother crying.

1357
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Speaker 1: We watched my father come staggering in the house and

1358
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Speaker 1: the mother didn't come home. We watched all of that,

1359
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Speaker 1: and we loved my dad, And I mean maybe six

1360
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Speaker 1: months after they got divorced, my father up and died

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Speaker 1: yea fifty one. And I thought at first that it

1362
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Speaker 1: was from the complications from the diabetes. You know what

1363
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: y'all called the sugar, because he had diabetes and he

1364
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: should have been drinking at all, but he drinking fit

1365
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: the booze a day and spoke through that pack of

1366
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: pale mail serious, and so I thought it hardly explode

1367
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: in his chest. But when I think about it more,

1368
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: I am certain that he died of a broken heart.

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01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: He just loved my mother, man, and she loved him too,

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Speaker 1: but she wanted more for her kids. Man, you know,

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes the thing is over. It is over, and

1372
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: you've got to move on. Man. You know. That's the

1373
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: beauty of this book is that it's a journey. It's

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01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: it's I'm just there because who's all air? He has

1375
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: to write a book about that whole ten year run

1376
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: on Venis Beach, because that's another book. That's another book.

1377
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: But this book, Yeah, the book he's delivering to us

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Speaker 1: called Michael Gets Motivation, ghost motivational. Excuse me, ghost motivational.

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Speaker 1: Michael tell us how we can buy that book? First,

1380
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Speaker 1: of all for our going to my little well, you know,

1381
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Speaker 1: and next week is supposed to go on steale through Amazon,

1382
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: you know. But until then, you guys can always go

1383
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Speaker 1: to my web page, which is a very sexy web page.

1384
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Speaker 1: It's called the Real Michael Collier dot com and the

1385
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Speaker 1: Real Michael dot com. The web page opens up, you know,

1386
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing a play, as you know, uh, the similar

1387
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: to the book, and it's called Michael Cowers Mama, and

1388
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: so it's my whole journey and I'm doing a hundred

1389
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: city tour of that. So if you go on the

1390
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: web page, you can hit a tab called Mama and

1391
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: it will open up and it'll show you scenes from

1392
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: the play. It will show six minutes of the play

1393
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: and the story of the play. But it's all for

1394
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: a store. And if you go to the store, it

1395
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: has the books. It all has all three of my books.

1396
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling all kind of stuff. I got T shirts,

1397
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm selling everything on this white sofa, all kicked back

1398
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: and got the hat off sex you Sexy show. I

1399
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: was looking at the cover, great great code a T

1400
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: shirt underneath with the that's a grade or silver coach

1401
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: jacket you got on that Michael golds motivational. I love it. Right,

1402
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 1: you can go on and buy books, t shirts, everything

1403
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: from the page. And you know you can hire me

1404
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: from that page, just worksheet going and say what you want.

1405
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: But I love my web page. I love baby a pamp.

1406
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. That's right. You thank you

1407
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: to take that time to come on my show man.

1408
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: It's um. It's a it's a blessing to say that

1409
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: we can still have this conversation today. It's a blessing

1410
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: is allowed me to get that book in time for

1411
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: me to read it, to share my emotions that it

1412
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: takes from your from your book, your journey. I've gotta

1413
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: thank you. Just let me take a moment to thank you, brother,

1414
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: because you really read this book, and you really know

1415
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: this book. And there are those who will make me

1416
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 1: think that this booking, but most people watched it, read

1417
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: it and they know it's it's really a good story.

1418
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: That it's a journey. And like you said about life,

1419
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: life is a journey. It's not a quick it's not

1420
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: a trip so quick tripping. It's a journey. To Some

1421
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: people say to me, man, that the universe has cursed me.

1422
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: Some people say the universe is to bless me. It

1423
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: doesn't do either one. The universe responds to your vibrations.

1424
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: So whatever you send me out is what the universe

1425
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: sends back to you. So it's called Michael Golds Motivational

1426
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to motivate people through comedy. You know,

1427
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: it's in to a comedic form. I'm also doing motivational

1428
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: speaking around the country. And you reading the book and

1429
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: knowing those details and loving it and knowing the wonderful

1430
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: journey it is that means the world to me. And

1431
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: I watched you, young man, come from putting your club

1432
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: together to making your club on the coldest club out there,

1433
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: and then taking it from that to becoming one of

1434
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: the greatest managers and creators of talent to this town

1435
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: of matter fact, this country as a scene. So I

1436
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: thank you, I salute you, and I appreciate you, brother.

1437
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You may not just my day,

1438
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: you made my year. Brother. Thank you, my friend, and

1439
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: you get that better to me because we're gonna promote

1440
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Speaker 1: it on my social media. I almost a million followers,

1441
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: so we're gonna do your well, my friend, as well

1442
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,839
Speaker 1: as promote this on our podcast and also might syndicate

1443
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Speaker 1: Them's twenty seven market nationwide again. Michael carl your thank

1444
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: you for doing my show. If you want to hear

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Speaker 1: more money Making Conversation interviews, go to money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: dot com. I'm Rashan McDonald. I'm your host. You come

1447
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Speaker 1: into hunting, yea, honey, I'll be right. They're just gotta

1448
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: turn out the light. Oh oh, some thing's never change,

1449
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Speaker 1: like your kids always leaving tiny toys on the floor

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Speaker 1: for you to step on and gango. Saving folks lots

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Speaker 1: of money on their car inshurts, Sweetie, I think I

1452
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Speaker 1: left the downstairs light on. Please don't make me go.

1453
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Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes could save you or more. Look for your

1454
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Speaker 1: children's eyes to see the true magic of a forest.

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01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: It's a storybook world for them. You look and see

1456
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: a tree. They see the wrinkled face of a wizard

1457
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: with arms outstretched to the sky. They see treasuring pebbles,

1458
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Speaker 1: They see a windy path that could lead to adventure,

1459
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Speaker 1: and they see you. They're fearless. Guide through this fascinating world.

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Speaker 1: Find a forest near you and start exploring and discover

1461
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Speaker 1: the forest dot Org brought to you by the United

1462
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Speaker 1: States Forest Service and the Ad Council and we're live

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Speaker 1: here outside the Pere's family home, just waiting for the

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Speaker 1: And there they go, almost on time. This morning. Mom

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Speaker 1: is coming out the front door, strong with a double

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Speaker 1: arm kid carry. Looks like dad has the bags. Daughter

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Speaker 1: is bringing up the rear. Oh but the diaper bag

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Speaker 1: wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere. Oh but mom

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Speaker 1: has just nailed the perfect car seat buckle for the toddler.

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Speaker 1: And now the eldest daughter, who looks to be about

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Speaker 1: nine or ten, has secured herself in the booster seat.

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Speaker 1: Dad zips the bad clothes and they're off. Ah, but

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01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee cup is still

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01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: on the roof of the car and there it goes. Ah.

1475
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: That's a shame that mug was a fan favorite. Don't

1476
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: sweat the small stuff, just nailed the big stuff, like

1477
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: making sure your kids are buckled correctly in the right

1478
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: seat for their agent's eyes. Learn more n h t

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Speaker 1: s a dot gov slash the Right Seat visits a

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Speaker 1: dot Gov slash the Right Seat. Brought to you by

1481
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: Mizza and the Ad Council. My next guest, an award

1482
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: winning interior designer. We did a lot of great work

1483
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: together on the Steve Harvey Talk Show. His designs have

1484
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: been featured on h g TV, The Real Housewives of Atlanta,

1485
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: and Good Morning America. He's on the show to discuss

1486
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: this journey in the business and this new series Murder House.

1487
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: Flip on Quippy please work with the money making conversations.

1488
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 1: Mikail Welch, Hey, thank you for having me. Well, it's

1489
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: always great having you. Got your energy up, my man, Yes, hey,

1490
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm ready. It's premier day. Well, it's really because a

1491
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, we know, we know the

1492
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: times that we're in at this point that was wondering

1493
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: is it was smart to be on TV at this time.

1494
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: I think you have an audience at the house looking

1495
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: for something new. Absolutely, I mean I agree, It's like

1496
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: this is the perfect opportunity. Everybody is sheltering in place

1497
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: and you know, looking for a new outlet. So right,

1498
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: this is the prime opportunity, you know, for I think

1499
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 1: for television and just people putting our content, but what

1500
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: every brand they're working on, this is the perfect opportun

1501
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: unity just to kind of working and craft or work

1502
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: that craft. The name of the show is Murder House,

1503
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: flip You know, I'm a big designer. I'll be watching.

1504
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: You know I'm watching. I watched the you know, the

1505
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: Cabin Masters. I watched The Man with the with the

1506
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: amazing pools down in Florida. I love that dude and

1507
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: his with his mama. He called a woman on the show.

1508
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: So I'm a I'm a big guy, you know, I'm

1509
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm a big guy watching these flip these. I was

1510
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: not saying I'm doing it on my own house now,

1511
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: you know. But I'm a watcher and I think America.

1512
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: America is really into watching and learning and and it

1513
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 1: inspires people to go to stores like Home Depot and

1514
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: Lows and all these types of things to carry out

1515
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: their dreams. What got you started? But cal Um, you

1516
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: know what, honestly, I tell people all the time. You know,

1517
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: everything happens for a reason. But you know, I graduated

1518
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: from Fool with more House with a degree in marketing,

1519
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: and you know, honestly, one day my mom had a

1520
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: conversation with me and told me I needed to find

1521
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 1: my passion and that I would know what it is

1522
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 1: because it would be something I'd be willing to do

1523
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 1: for free. So I ended up, you know, going to

1524
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: work for a furniture company and that turned into you know,

1525
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: many other opportunities. But honestly it started from that one

1526
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: little steed me working in the furniture store and just

1527
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: going out on the women, just putting it all on

1528
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: the line to say, hey, this is when I want

1529
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: to go after And it all started from there. Now,

1530
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: furniture store, yes see, you're a long way from working

1531
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: in the fure What were you doing in that furniture?

1532
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: Were you selling furniture? Furniture? What were you doing? I

1533
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: was selling the furniture in the furniture store Storehouse Furniture

1534
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, And you know, I really got frustrated because

1535
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't a great salesman, so I thought, and so UM.

1536
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: I ended up transitioning UH to the warehouse and I

1537
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: was kind of like their um inventory manager, and I

1538
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: was in charge of all the products that would go

1539
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: like the Oprah when she was doing Hurricane to train

1540
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: a relief and something it sparked in me and I said,

1541
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I really want to be the person

1542
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: on the other side that I don't want to just

1543
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: ship out the furniture. I want to be the one

1544
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: designing the room and so um after I mean, and

1545
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell the truth. After several failed attempts, you know,

1546
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: I had three different interviews to become a buyer and

1547
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 1: it just didn't work out. My boss said to me,

1548
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 1: he said, y'all like you, but I think you might

1549
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: want to, you know, test something else out. And there

1550
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: was a gentleman on Craig was looking for an interior

1551
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 1: design assistant, and I applied got that job and I

1552
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: worked with him for a year, just really learning the

1553
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: business of design, how to run a firm. And from

1554
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: there I went on Craigslist and I posted um to

1555
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: design one free room for anyone who would allow me

1556
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: into their home. I designed the room for free, as

1557
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: long as they paid for the merchandise. And that's how

1558
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: I built a book, a portfolio. Now, tell us about

1559
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 1: those early designs, because you know you are there and

1560
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: they look at where they're looking at you as an amateur,

1561
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: when they're looking at you as a rookie, you know

1562
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: when they question your abilities. What did you walk in

1563
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: there to free? As free? Okay, we got free, but

1564
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: then you still walking into somebody's house about to make

1565
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: a change. How did you convince them at that next step? Well,

1566
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: you know what, I am one of those people who

1567
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: believe in the safe until you make it. And so,

1568
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: you know what, I did use my house as kind

1569
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: of like my first project. So I designed my house,

1570
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: had a friend take some pictures of it, so I

1571
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: at least had some stock images. We must have siss

1572
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: about fifty images all throughout my tiny apartment, but we

1573
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: made it look like it was several different routs. So

1574
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 1: I use that as my portfolio. And you know, you

1575
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: have to work the angles that you have, right. I

1576
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: love that, and so that's why, you know, people always

1577
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: get they always going how do I get started? But

1578
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: it's right there, it's how creative are you? Yes? Absolutely?

1579
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean really work in your network, you know. So

1580
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, if you want to

1581
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: break into design, you don't have any clients. Take pictures

1582
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: of your house, take pictures of your friends houses. Like

1583
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, even in my current house right now, in

1584
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: my New York apartment, I have a wall that is

1585
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: solely dedicated to me rearranging things. So I can't always

1586
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: have extra stock image for my Instagram always. Absolutely, you

1587
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 1: know it's really interesting. It's just like me on baking,

1588
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, people I just bake, and I just I

1589
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: have different ways I bake, have different dishes I bake,

1590
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: and so I use those to just sell people that

1591
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm an award winning baker and I transition that because

1592
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: in January this year, you will name House Beautiful's next

1593
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: Waved one of the next wave designers. What does that

1594
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: mean for your branding, for your career at this point?

1595
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: To get that on, you know, that was a life

1596
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: changing experience. You know, just to be recognized, um as

1597
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: as one of the House Beautiful sent swenty next Way,

1598
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: it was huge. You know, for one as an African

1599
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: American designers, there aren't that many of us who even

1600
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: make it to the larger Shelter magazine. So you know,

1601
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 1: this was big for me because I felt like it

1602
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 1: was door open. This is going to open up the

1603
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: doors for others just like me who are trying to

1604
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: get in that door. But to think I came from

1605
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: Craigslist now to grazing how beautiful? Um I mean, it's

1606
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: the most rewarding experience that, you know, what I think

1607
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 1: a designer could ever have. So I'm just grateful for

1608
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: the opportunity. It's hard work, but you know, I see

1609
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: it's paying off. Paying off. Well, you know I met

1610
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: you I felt early in your career, Michael on the

1611
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey Talk Show. Okay, so as I do, prep

1612
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: uh your for the interview, I'm going through. Michael also

1613
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: has the honor of designing room for prominent personalities, including

1614
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: First Lady Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Faith Hell, Harry Cornell,

1615
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: j halle Berry, and of course Steve Harvey. Now, what

1616
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 1: is all this happened? Did I miss all this? This

1617
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: was happening before you met me? You know, if this

1618
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: was all happening through you? I mean, this is another

1619
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: thing I think. You know again when we talk about

1620
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 1: making opportunities happen. So when we were on the Steve

1621
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: Harvey Show, every time Oprah came, Faith Will, Faith Hell,

1622
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: or halle Berry, First Lady Michelle Obumb every time they came,

1623
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: I was giving a budget to design a special greening

1624
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: room for each one of them. And I would take

1625
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: those red and I would spend my own money, and

1626
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: I would hire a photographer to photograph each room. And

1627
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: then once I got an opportunity, I would come and

1628
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: I would ask that celebrity if they enjoyed the space,

1629
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: and that little sentence that they told me I would

1630
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: take that and I would use it as a quote.

1631
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: I would never forget Oprah, I asked her, and I

1632
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: had to go ask her, I said, you know, because

1633
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: that I couldn't get that close to her. So it

1634
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: was time. I said, you know, did you like your room?

1635
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh my gosh, what was that?

1636
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: That's a quote? You put that on your website and

1637
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, so it's one of those you have to

1638
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: work the angles that you had. That's how I made

1639
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: that happen. Well, you know, it's it's one when you know.

1640
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: The thing I love about this interview is just you're

1641
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: not um. First of all, you you trusting yourself and

1642
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: trusting your instincts, and plus you are looking at opportunities

1643
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: because you're you're You're is your feel is a visual

1644
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: feeld walk in, you go, I don't think he knows

1645
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Oh I like the way that places

1646
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: me in. And so you're taking advantage of those situations,

1647
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: those opportunities that come to you. And then when you

1648
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: promote yourself, you promote you promoting yourself with credibility and

1649
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful thing. And so so where are you

1650
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: now in your career as far as developing and building

1651
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: your brand out. So right now, my biggest thing I

1652
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: have to launch of partner with a company called Yosemite

1653
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: Home Um out of Fresno, California, and I just launched

1654
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: my first furniture line. So you can buy something. You

1655
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: can buy something, you can sit there. Absolutely, you can

1656
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 1: absolutely by on my website. You can check it out

1657
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: on micas dot com. Say I'm mad at you, Michael,

1658
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: because you're not seeing me any banners so I can

1659
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: post on my soldier because you know, that's what money

1660
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: making conversations all about, you know, you know, relationships, promoting

1661
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 1: uh successful people in the business, showing other people that

1662
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: they can be done. Now you've got a furniture line,

1663
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: and I've yet to ever post anything on my social

1664
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: media recognizing this new development or this amazing development your life.

1665
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: Shame on you. You're a busy man. I tried to

1666
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: hope bart you. I tried to wait to you know.

1667
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: I have several things, line back them up and present

1668
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: them to you. Sat all come with these little nuggets

1669
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: with the finish the story, how many pieces and how

1670
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: did they all come about? Oh so this is a

1671
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 1: great story. Um so funny, funny story. Uh So last

1672
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: year UM, I was there's a big furniture show that

1673
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: they have UM in Las Vegas as well as High

1674
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Point Market, and I'm doing a tour and I had

1675
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: to take sixty people around to show them my space

1676
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: favorite vendors inside of this merchandise smart and I took

1677
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: my mother with me. So my mom's collecting all the

1678
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: free bags that you get, you know, from the vendors.

1679
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: But the problem is every time she stops to get

1680
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 1: a free bag, they want to talk to me to

1681
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: sell something. And I said, okay, mom, I said, my mom,

1682
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: this is the last store we're going in. And so

1683
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: we go in and I'm looking at a piece and

1684
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm just talking to my mom. I said, I like

1685
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: that piece of artwork, but I don't like the medallion

1686
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: they put on it. Because lady stops to me and

1687
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: she says, what did you just say about that piece

1688
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: of artwork? And I told her and I'm like, oh,

1689
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: I put my foot in my mouth. And anyhow, the

1690
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: lady said, well, tell me what else you think. So

1691
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 1: we walk around the entire store. At the end of

1692
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: the conversation, she says, I'm the vice president of the company.

1693
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: We've been looking to partner with the designer who can

1694
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: help us change our branding. And you were so honest

1695
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: talking to your mother about what you didn't like about

1696
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: that piece of furniture, and I think we want to

1697
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: work with you. And that's honestly how it happens. Um So,

1698
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: so to mama hustling for freebees, Yes, landed you your

1699
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: furniture line. That's what you try to tell us. That's

1700
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: what you're saying on Money Made Conversation. Your mama's your

1701
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: mama's agreed for the free stuff. Yeah, yes, yes, But

1702
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: you know what also also, I would say this, it's

1703
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: also the preparation because it was all of those things

1704
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 1: that I had done in the past, my portfolio, the

1705
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: television shows, all of the Harvey appearances. You're getting me

1706
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: booked on the Real Housewives of Atlantic, So when they

1707
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: go back to look at my work, it's like, oh,

1708
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, this guy knows what he's talking about. So

1709
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 1: he's being able to back that up and being prepared.

1710
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing. He just I was, well, you know,

1711
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 1: the thing I love about your Michael is that you

1712
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: know you and not have a very honest relationship about

1713
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: how gifted you are and how I will not allow

1714
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: you to not give one. And then when I look

1715
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: at your resume and I see you on HGTV Real

1716
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: Halfwives of Atlanta, Good Morning America, Steve Harvey talk show

1717
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Designing of Famous People, and they're walking into the room

1718
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: because you know the thing about famous people, man, they've

1719
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: seen it all and for the bend pressed by walking

1720
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 1: into a room, a green room. And I walked to

1721
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 1: some green rooms myself and I went, what is this?

1722
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: And I walked into green and go wow, Like Rachel Age,

1723
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 1: green room was like off the chain in New York.

1724
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: We're on the show to talk about this new show

1725
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: that I saw a trailer on and you made me laugh.

1726
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: And but more, let me just tell you somebody the

1727
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: name of the shows called Murder House Flip and it's

1728
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: on the Quick Network. Now this why this is a

1729
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: perfect show for me is because I can't get enough

1730
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: of forensic files. Okay, let just tell you. I watched

1731
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: those shows, man, like I watched the repeats and now

1732
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: they've got new shows, so I'm happy. I watched Sex

1733
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: and Murder, I watched all those shows. Man. I was

1734
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 1: just addicted to those type of shows. And so when

1735
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: I when they sent me the trailer of your show,

1736
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know what they were sending it. So when

1737
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,080
Speaker 1: they shot me a trailer about your show, by what

1738
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: people are buying houses are renovating house where people either

1739
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: were murdered in or dying in, I went, Wow, I've

1740
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: been sitting on this idea for years. Yeah, this was

1741
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: the craziest thing I think I have not even think

1742
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: he hands down to the craziest thing I've ever worked on.

1743
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when my manager called me

1744
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know you have an audition for

1745
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Murder House Clips, I'm like, what is that? I thought

1746
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: they were joking and I really didn't believe them until

1747
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: they booked. But like even the EP of the show,

1748
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: he called me, he's trying to convince me that it's

1749
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 1: a real show. And until they booked my plane fair,

1750
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: I didn't really think this was real. But it's a

1751
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 1: legitis show. Um it's myself and a co host, um

1752
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: my coach with Joel If the two of us, we

1753
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: go into homes where people have you know, have the

1754
01:32:54,640 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: iconic murders? Have that absolutely murders? Yes? Mean the first

1755
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: episode of this Lady you know. So it was an

1756
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 1: elderly woman who killed seven people by you know, poisoning

1757
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 1: them so that she could take their social Security check.

1758
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: So she buried them in her front yard. So it's

1759
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: it's creepy. Now you want to go out there embarrassing,

1760
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: put some grass down and put some plants down and

1761
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: have the children play over the dead bodies and all

1762
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: that good stuff. That That's why I love the show.

1763
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 1: That's why I'm kind of mad and half at the

1764
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 1: same time. Because I'm mad because I watched all these

1765
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: homemakeover shows I love them. I watched all these touristic

1766
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: murder shows, which I love them, and not one time

1767
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: did my dumb behind to go this is a show

1768
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: because you know why the idea is so crazy and

1769
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: so extremes. It is crazy. It is crazy, even like

1770
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: you saw in the clip. You know, it's the clip

1771
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: where I'm on the staircase with my co host and

1772
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: I tell her, you know, I usually do say ladies first,

1773
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: but I ran down those stairs because it was a

1774
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: or g and I just wanted to get out of

1775
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: that house, like we filmed at night. Yeah, I'm laughing

1776
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: because you look so wimping when you said that because

1777
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: you were really going down those steps fast. You were

1778
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 1: going and she's a taller person and she's taller than

1779
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: you too, so you you're running out those steps real fast.

1780
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: And let's let's let's talk about because you talk about

1781
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: being interviewed. And here's the funny part about it, because

1782
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: you gotta give or for anything that you do, whether

1783
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: you believe in it or not. So when you got

1784
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: when you got the opportunity to go down an interview,

1785
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: who did you interview with and what did your interview

1786
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: consist of? We're talking to Micale Welch. His new show, uh,

1787
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: Murder House Flip. It's on the Quimpy Network and uh,

1788
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 1: it's a short form show, correct work. How long is it?

1789
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: Each episode is less than six minutes, So six minute

1790
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 1: episodes that are on your telephone, really quick and easy. Okay, cool? Now,

1791
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: how did you audition for this? Um? So, I flew

1792
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: into l A I met at the Sony lot. The

1793
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: show is produced by the parent company Sony, and we

1794
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 1: kind of had what they call chemistry tests and for

1795
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: those who don't know, that's when they put a couple

1796
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: of different hosts together and so, um, it's uh it's

1797
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: kind of like a group interview, and so your personality

1798
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: just has to shine. And so me and my current

1799
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: co host Joel, we just kind of hit it off. Basically,

1800
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: what they do is they put an image of a

1801
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: house up on the wall and we have to look

1802
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: at a room and we have to kind of tell

1803
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: them together collectively what we would plan to do or

1804
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: how we re envisioned this house and so that Uh

1805
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: so you you were with a stranger, yes, and you

1806
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: have that moment absolutely, you know, in that moment you

1807
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: have to act like, you know, hey, Joel, you know

1808
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: we typically do X, Y and Z, but today we're

1809
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna do this. But we you have to go into

1810
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, that moment, act like do this all the time,

1811
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: and you roll with it. Okay. So what is her background? Um?

1812
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: You know, honestly a Joe is a high end um

1813
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: residential designer in Beverly Hill. So this is her first

1814
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: time doing television, so she's never done it before. So

1815
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: this was huge for her too. And so and so

1816
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 1: both of you guys go in and we talked about

1817
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: the show. Now, how many episodes did you guys take? There?

1818
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Six minutes long on the quipit at work, murder house flip.

1819
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: How many did you take now in six minutes? A hundred?

1820
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: How many? But the way it works is we each

1821
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: house and six minutes excuse me. Each house has three episodes.

1822
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: So you kind of have like the true crime in

1823
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: the beginning, kind of the meeting potatoes, of the game

1824
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: plan of how we're gonna design the space, and then

1825
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: the third episode is the reveal. And so each house

1826
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: has three episodes, and I think that's great for the

1827
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 1: people who like true crime. You have a whole episode

1828
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 1: that's dedicated to, you know, the the background story of

1829
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 1: what happened in the house. So you feed me alone

1830
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 1: the way you feed me with my my addiction to

1831
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,520
Speaker 1: true crime, you know exactly. And you feed my addiction

1832
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: to make over how you gonna make it over? And

1833
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: then you feed my addiction to the results now now

1834
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: and and do you talk about obviously these crimes where

1835
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: they were, Are these crimes resolved? Are they still like

1836
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: looking for the killers or what's going on with these crimes? Well,

1837
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 1: most of them have been resolved. You know, we have

1838
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: a combination. The interesting thing about this show is, you know,

1839
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 1: honestly a lot of people move into these houses because

1840
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: the first thing you guys like, why would you take

1841
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: the house? Well, if you have a house that's on

1842
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: the market, you know, for let's say six hundred thousand dollars,

1843
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: but then you come to the house next door and

1844
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: that's don step for three hundred thousand dollars. You might

1845
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: just take it because of the price. But um so

1846
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,560
Speaker 1: some people willingly know, but there's a significant difference in

1847
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: the price, and they're okay with it at first. And

1848
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 1: then you also have some who purchased these homes and

1849
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: like the mid nineties who did not know because we

1850
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: didn't have Google. So unless you're looking on a micro fee,

1851
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: you would not know that a partyer happened until your

1852
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: next door neighbor comes to tell you have to you

1853
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: purchased the house. And so that's where you're running to

1854
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 1: the problems. They're not gonna do with a preacher, you know,

1855
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: not knock knock now. Uh. People died and there was

1856
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: a identity of drinking some liquids. And those are the

1857
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: cases where your baby room, your baby room upstairs, it

1858
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: was a murder, mass murder in your baby room upstairs.

1859
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: They didn't tell you about that exactly in your oven,

1860
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: you know when you put your dinner plates four heads

1861
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 1: up there, they put them in a row, four heads

1862
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 1: in a road where you got your dinner plates. Right,

1863
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:35,440
Speaker 1: there's about just take you on the twil of disaster

1864
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 1: or your home after you purchased it. I mean, it's scared.

1865
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest with you. You know. Um,

1866
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: I joke and laugh about it, but some horrific crimes

1867
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: really happen, and you'll see them, you know, in the

1868
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 1: next couple of Let me tell you some Let me

1869
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 1: tell you something. I have to be able to joke.

1870
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: If you made a decision to go into a house

1871
01:38:56,160 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 1: where you know murders have occurred, you can become But

1872
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: my joke, I'm sorry, and you cannot sit up there

1873
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 1: acting like you are fearful now when the price tag

1874
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,640
Speaker 1: was not fearful. That's all I'm saying. My old thing

1875
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: is my old thing is that. That's why I love

1876
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 1: the show. That's why these people, you know, they always

1877
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: show these people doing the real looking at the shot. Uh,

1878
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: I can't believe that they really happened. You knew that,

1879
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 1: Like you said, house next door six hundred thousand, your

1880
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: house a hundred and fifty thousand, look exactly the same

1881
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 1: as the house next door. You're going, what's the problem

1882
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: in the front yard where the roses? Like, uh, eight

1883
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 1: people were buried there? Are you you still want to

1884
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 1: move in? Yeah? Yeah, we definitely had that. I mean

1885
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,560
Speaker 1: one case where a gentleman chopped up his wife and

1886
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,560
Speaker 1: like he was boiling her body part on the on

1887
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 1: the stove and that the neighbor smelt that and called

1888
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Speaker 1: the police. And so it's and people complain about Chidling's,

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Speaker 1: people complain about the smell of chick really now that

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Speaker 1: But you know the thing about it is that that's

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Speaker 1: why I like the show. I like the show because

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Speaker 1: of the fact that it's different. You're combined to genres

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Speaker 1: in an unusual manner. Now let's talk about this. Now

1894
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: you're flipping this house. What does that mean? The murder

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01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 1: house flip? What does that mean? So it's not sure

1896
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 1: it's so first let me give this disclaimer. So the

1897
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: people aren't selling the houses. That's the word flip, is

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01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 1: us flipping it into something that's tops and if it's

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01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: really what the connotation is. And um, we come in

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Speaker 1: and we strictly work on the room that's been affected. Um,

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01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: but the thing about that is when we redesign it,

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01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:51,600
Speaker 1: we have to make it look completely different. So this

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01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 1: is not just oh, put acute self in the room.

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01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,640
Speaker 1: So we're like tearing down walls or ripping our fireplaces.

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01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 1: So every time you see so when the when the

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01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 1: homeowners come back into that space, it needs to feel

1907
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: completely different because we're trying to help them forget what happened.

1908
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 1: Like we're pulling up linoleum tile and we're like poor

1909
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: a solution that we can see the blood things that

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01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: has speaken the room because a lot of so we

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01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: had to really go in and change these houses um

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Speaker 1: so that when they go into these room they looked

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Speaker 1: drastically different. So seriously, you actually saw blood stains of

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01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 1: thesolutely absolutely in the trailer, there's we're in the bathroom

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01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:34,679
Speaker 1: and we um the family didn't remove the actual tub

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01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 1: where the husband you know, I guess would have watched

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01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 1: the residue or whatever the blood. But but when we

1918
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,959
Speaker 1: want to pull the linoleum back, there's a special solution

1919
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: that they use in crime scenes and you'll see it.

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Speaker 1: We pour it right onto the floor and the bubbles

1921
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 1: and you can see it. It's gusting, right, and so

1922
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 1: that you had to like redesign. Oh. Absolutely, we had

1923
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 1: to gut it completely. I mean it was it was

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01:41:58,479 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: more than just the two of us. I mean we

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01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 1: had as a team that would you know, come in

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01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: and help us clean. Um, but we had to gut

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01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:07,679
Speaker 1: the rooms and completely redesign them. So you're even gonna

1928
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 1: see me with power tool. So okay, let me because

1929
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 1: this is really interesting. So you said, the three is

1930
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: a three six minute segments for each episode or each

1931
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Speaker 1: house for Flip. Just the first part is going to

1932
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 1: be what happened there? Okay. The second part is you

1933
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: guys are going in meeting the family that lives there. Correct, Okay,

1934
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Speaker 1: did any of these family families have children? Yes? And

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Speaker 1: so I think the most interesting is going to be

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Speaker 1: our finale episode. Um. Not to go into grave detail,

1937
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: but the young lady who lived in the house, she

1938
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,759
Speaker 1: was a child when they first moved into the house,

1939
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 1: and now as an adult, she's still affected by it

1940
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: and doesn't like to even really go back to her

1941
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 1: parents house as before. And so that yees, So they're

1942
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: children there, they're definitely children involved. That's that's really I

1943
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 1: think that's all I have to put on a child,

1944
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 1: you know, that's I don't I don't think that's fair

1945
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 1: that the parents need there behind they actually need to

1946
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: really understand that that's a that's an emotional burden. Not

1947
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: only for that, but I'm sure she was teethed or

1948
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 1: bullied when she went to school about that, because you know,

1949
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 1: kids don't care, they get they get up on you,

1950
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna use it. And to have a child to

1951
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: live in that environment is really, like you said, as

1952
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 1: an adult, she's affected by that. Correct, Yeah, actually as

1953
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 1: an adult. And you know in that scenario, they didn't know.

1954
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 1: They didn't know in the nineties, like they didn't know.

1955
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: But like you said, the neighbors came, they to do

1956
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 1: it with the cookies and say hey, you got the

1957
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: Johnson house and they're like, what is the Johnson house?

1958
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: So they didn't know, right, that's saying that. The executive

1959
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 1: producer this show is from c s I. He's the

1960
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: executive producer, John Berman. So he has a little he

1961
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: has a little something to know. And your co host

1962
01:43:55,160 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 1: is who um Joel Useel Joel Zel, I'm telling you

1963
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: something this show is I'm talking to Michal Well. It's

1964
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, one of the top young designers.

1965
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: He never failed me. And uh, all the years I

1966
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: was executive producing the Steve Harvey talk Show and he's

1967
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: went on them to do even greater things. My man,

1968
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Murder House Flip premieres on the Equipping Network three six

1969
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 1: minute episodes per chef for a house, and you're not

1970
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: exactly selling the house. You're just flipping the house from

1971
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 1: a murder crime look to a crime to a much

1972
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 1: more modern and appealing and in trying to try to

1973
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 1: get their family emotionally more engaged into the house and

1974
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 1: not the history of the house. Correct, Yes, that is correct.

1975
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: It's all about flipping that design, making it positive and

1976
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 1: allowing the family to like take ownership of the house

1977
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 1: back without that negative connotation. Oh my man, I appreciate

1978
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 1: you again. You owe me some banners so I can

1979
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Speaker 1: promote your show, also promote your promote your furniture line.

1980
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Speaker 1: Stay safe out there, but caall and thank you for

1981
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Speaker 1: coming on Money Making Conversations. All right, thank you. I

1982
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 1: um this money Making Conversations And for more episodes of

1983
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Speaker 1: money Making Conversations, you go to money Making Conversation dot com.

1984
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm Rashaan McDonald, I'm your host. What Grows in the

1985
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Speaker 1: forest trees, Sure you know what else grows in the forest.

1986
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 1: Our imagination, our sense of wonder, and our family bonds

1987
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 1: grow too, because when we disconnect from this and connect

1988
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Speaker 1: with this, we reconnect with each other. The forest is

1989
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Speaker 1: closer than you think. Find a forest near you and

1990
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Speaker 1: start exploring. I Discover the Forest dot Org. Brought to

1991
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Speaker 1: you by the United States Forest Service and the AD Council.

1992
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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'll Rooker here as a guy with his

1993
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Speaker 1: own catchphrase. I appreciate that Smokey's only said only you

1994
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: can prevent wildfires, but I'm filling it because there's a

1995
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Speaker 1: lot more to report, like when they're parched or windy

1996
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Speaker 1: conditions out there. You gotta be extra careful with things

1997
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Speaker 1: like burning yard wigs. After all, wildfires can start anywhere,

1998
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Speaker 1: even in your back of the woods. Go to Smokey

1999
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Speaker 1: Bearer dot com to learn more about wildfire prevention. Brought

2000
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Speaker 1: to you by the U. S. Forest Service, your state Forester,

2001
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Speaker 1: and the AD Council. What grows in the forest trees?

2002
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:15,480
Speaker 1: Sure you know what else grows in the forest. Our imagination,

2003
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 1: our sense of wonder, and our family bonds grow too,

2004
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 1: Because when we disconnect from this and connect with this,

2005
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 1: we reconnect with each other. The forest is closer than

2006
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 1: you think. Find a forest near you and start exploring.

2007
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: I discover the Forest dot Org. Brought to you by

2008
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: the United States Forest Service and the AD Council. My

2009
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,640
Speaker 1: next guest is a celebrity designer. She has been to

2010
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 1: go to fashion for some of the most famous and

2011
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 1: powerful woman in the world, from Madonna to Katie Perry,

2012
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey to Halleberry. Her creations have adorned magazine coverage,

2013
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Speaker 1: concert stages, and Oscar and Grammy red carpets. And she

2014
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,719
Speaker 1: also she is also the creator of this amazing body

2015
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:03,680
Speaker 1: to bodywear called Shaped by an Angel body Wear, a

2016
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 1: revolutionary shapewear line that transforms women's bodies. Please, welcome to

2017
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 1: money making conversation. My friend Angela Dean Great, how are

2018
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:14,680
Speaker 1: you the good morning? Good and you're calling in from

2019
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: where California? That's city is uh? Kobe situation happened out there?

2020
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 1: And now we have the coronavirus thing that has life

2021
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:29,879
Speaker 1: been Los Angeles a person living in the Los angelesvirus already,

2022
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 1: traffic issues is always environmental issues. How is life in

2023
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: Los Angeles for you right now? Well, it's looking a

2024
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 1: little uh looking, a little challenging, but we're making it.

2025
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 1: It's just a little grocery store issues. For everybody's safe

2026
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,720
Speaker 1: and we're trying to stay in and and take care

2027
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 1: of ourselves. Everybody has to take care of theirselves right now.

2028
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 1: Do what's wise. Absolutely. I know I um, I live

2029
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: in the land. I live in Houston, so part of

2030
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 1: my family's live in Houston. So you know, I'm not

2031
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,599
Speaker 1: going to do an air travel. Might drive to Houston

2032
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: just have fun and just see the country spin. But

2033
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: it's always about the creative process and your creative person.

2034
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Speaker 1: What is legiment is this question what are your gifts

2035
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 1: or what is your gift? My gift is creativity. My

2036
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 1: gift is being able to come up with an idea

2037
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 1: through various elements that I may have to use, color

2038
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 1: to a person's size, too, what the what, what the

2039
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: design may be for whether they're singing or going out

2040
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: to a special occasion or just wearing their regular attire.

2041
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: But put all the elements together that are important to

2042
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:52,680
Speaker 1: that factor and create something amazing. Um My Gifts has

2043
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: been doing that for thirty years with the music and

2044
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 1: entertainment business, and now I've had an opportunity to do

2045
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:03,599
Speaker 1: that with um By Shapewear and my fashion. Well, that's interesting.

2046
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: Like I always talk to people about when do you

2047
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 1: realize that's the direction you want to go on? Under

2048
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, we all as we go through life,

2049
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 1: we drain. We see things on TV they inspire us

2050
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,719
Speaker 1: and we don't. In college, some people don't go to college.

2051
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: Nothing negative, but not going to college. But as long

2052
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: as you're focused on your dreams and you pursue it consistently,

2053
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: when did you started sending that that the balance right

2054
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:31,599
Speaker 1: started moving in the right direction in your career, within

2055
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 1: your your teens or earlier than that, when you started

2056
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 1: to be inspired said this is what I want to do. Well. Actually,

2057
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 1: I was seven years old when I made um Care

2058
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 1: of Shorts the Scars. I visited my auntie up north

2059
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: in San Francisco area. My mom, of course, didn't want

2060
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 1: me to stay on something getting like young, and I

2061
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:55,759
Speaker 1: asked her and she had an old antique song machine.

2062
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 1: She said sure, and when in the trunk and gave

2063
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 1: me some fabric and I cut a pair of short

2064
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 1: at a band Danna and sat on that star machine

2065
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 1: and sewed. Because my mom had been slowing for many years.

2066
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: I used to watch her make evening gowns for her

2067
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: social and charity club. So from that point I just

2068
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: continued sowing on and by the time I got to

2069
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 1: junior high school, I was making more difficult patterns usually,

2070
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,680
Speaker 1: so so you were saying that early on when your

2071
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: seven was kind of like imitating your mom or just yes, yes, well,

2072
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 1: just taking on something that I saw. I saw I

2073
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 1: watched hergers, but she used the design used to do gowns,

2074
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 1: UH make gowns for her social and charity clubs, and

2075
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 1: it made people happy, to make people smiles when they

2076
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 1: when they sell you. So that was kind of like

2077
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 1: that just seeing something to your mom, and your mom

2078
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: was excited about she enjoyed doing it, and then you

2079
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: saw the results. Yes, and then I started taking on

2080
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:55,680
Speaker 1: the craft as well. And where I got into it

2081
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:58,600
Speaker 1: the more just just was like amazing to me to

2082
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: be able to create various things that I loved and

2083
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: I use patterns, and so I got got more and

2084
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 1: more complicated in terms of the patterns I was using.

2085
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 1: I start using Vogue Vogue patterns um out of the

2086
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 1: Vogue book, and that really takes you to a more

2087
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,680
Speaker 1: different level of patterns that you can make things. So

2088
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: that was really exciting for me. By the time I

2089
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:23,080
Speaker 1: got up to high school, I was to complicate the

2090
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: Vogue patterns. Now, when you say that those are layered, right,

2091
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 1: layered patterns, they kind of like it's not like a

2092
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 1: straight just a cut. Correct when you say Vogue patterns, well,

2093
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 1: patterns meaning that you can have a style that you

2094
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 1: go through a style book because of style, and then

2095
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,760
Speaker 1: actually buy the patterns to make that style. Let your

2096
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 1: fabric what you wanted to look like, but you actually

2097
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 1: cut it according to that pattern and duplicates what you

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Speaker 1: see on the picture. So it's actually the patterns that

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Speaker 1: are the pieces that you cut to create the carpity.

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Speaker 1: So now you're out there. You know you you're in

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Speaker 1: high school. Now how are you dressing? Angela? So when

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Speaker 1: you came to I had a friend of mine, I remember,

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Speaker 1: I remember his name, Jock Howard. Jock Howard for some

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01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 1: reason dressed differently from us. I mean, he was above

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01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:18,800
Speaker 1: the curve. I think to this day he would come

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01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 1: into school. I go, wow, what was he meaning through

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01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 1: his mind that made him dress like that? Because we

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01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:27,759
Speaker 1: were just we were just dressing normal. But he always

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01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 1: had to tie on, he had suspenders on, his shoes

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01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 1: were always clean. But he walked differently than us. Jock

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01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 1: Howard walked differently than than us. And I was even

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Speaker 1: when he went to college. It was just an upgrade

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01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 1: when he went to college, you know, because he was

2114
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:44,639
Speaker 1: like he was. But when I was seeing him walk

2115
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 1: across campus, I was always looking him, go Jock Howard,

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01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:50,519
Speaker 1: and my god, he was just as a smooth So

2117
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:52,600
Speaker 1: you was kind of like that person that was like

2118
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 1: it was a good thing. But then people couldn't understand

2119
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: how did you How did you get it so early?

2120
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 1: How did you figured out? Because now you know, I'm

2121
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 1: taking some Now me and Jock Howard, we'll be rocking

2122
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 1: the same. Look round I got, I got me and Jock.

2123
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 1: I got jocked Angel I got. I've been having him

2124
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:15,760
Speaker 1: by thirty years seventeen years old. I didn't know what

2125
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 1: he was doing. I understand it's a passion something you

2126
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: pick up early and you take on and you do

2127
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 1: what to do. And yes, I was him. Oh my god,

2128
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,640
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful thing because of the fact that you

2129
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: know it was. Here's the beauty of what I'm saying about.

2130
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,719
Speaker 1: When I talk about Jock Howard, I'm talking to Angela.

2131
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:40,560
Speaker 1: Dean is that I was not offended by him. I

2132
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 1: was just I was just curious that in my mind

2133
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:48,960
Speaker 1: being so young, you know, we were playing basketball, Angela.

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01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,599
Speaker 1: You you know, We're just trying to just learn about life.

2135
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm cutting out cars and magazines and trying to figure

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01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 1: out driving the neighborhood, looking at houses with that house,

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01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 1: I want that house. You know, car dride By, That's

2138
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 1: a car I want. That's a car I want. But

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01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: Jock would go in this closet, put on the suspenders,

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01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 1: skinny tie, you know, his shirt was tocked in his belt,

2141
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,519
Speaker 1: everything fit right, and he walked down the hallway and

2142
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 1: I go, wow, wow he had and so you had

2143
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 1: that stuff. So you watch your mom, Angela, and so

2144
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 1: your mom see how I love the fact that you

2145
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 1: said you saw in the beginning, the middle and the end,

2146
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 1: and that's that's that's a really a special moment for

2147
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: you to see, because you know, I would see my

2148
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 1: father go to work, he'd come back to that. I

2149
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,320
Speaker 1: never saw the middle. All I know he was just

2150
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 1: working all day. I know he had to go to work.

2151
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 1: He knew he had to go to work. He'd come

2152
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: back sometime he was happy, sometimes he was said. So

2153
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 1: I never saw the results of what got him to

2154
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 1: that level. And so to watch your mom start something creatively,

2155
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: just take some material and they start, and then you

2156
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: see people come pick it up and go and do

2157
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 1: you see the reaction to you and your mom get

2158
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: paid for that activity? That had to be really unique

2159
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 1: for you as a growing young lady. It definitely was.

2160
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 1: It definitely was. She inspired me. She is the inspiration

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01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 1: of my whole existence as a spinner. She was such

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01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:21,400
Speaker 1: an elegant and beautiful woman and tall, and the way

2163
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 1: she wore clothes was so beautifully. So when she made something,

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01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, it was themed events, so

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01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 1: there would be a red ball for everyone. All the

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01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 1: women were red, black and white. Everybody would wear black

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01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 1: and white. So she would make her her fashion special.

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01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 1: Her dresses were special. And so she sat there and

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01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:45,680
Speaker 1: was so then with the elderly lady from across the

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01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 1: street and they would saw on the saw machine and

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01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 1: sow the balls pattern. So I was inspired by her

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01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 1: for having the style and grace. Um, my mom reminded

2173
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:59,080
Speaker 1: you of Elena Horn or Nancy Wilson. You had to

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01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 1: think of who she looks like. Just class, just class,

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01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:06,480
Speaker 1: just class. Yeah, so I kept that class in my

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01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:10,120
Speaker 1: design for forever. You know. That's kind of what I

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01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 1: worked from, where when you buy something for me, it's

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01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 1: last for years and you can wear it for years

2179
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 1: due to the classickness of the style. That's what I love.

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01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 1: That's what I love about you because the fact that

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01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 1: you she she's she's saying a keyword. And the people

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01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 1: always say, I always tell you pay for excellence, and

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01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:30,360
Speaker 1: you are still pay for longevity. And a lot of

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01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:33,480
Speaker 1: people can playing when you go, well, you know, Taylor suits,

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01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:37,920
Speaker 1: Taylor Church. That's kind of expensive, not really considering that,

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01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably gonna even type of shoes that

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01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 1: you wear. You might go through a lot of shoes

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01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 1: or shoes might be hurting your feet. Because I'm a

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01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 1: testament to the fact that if I would have been

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01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 1: wearing the shoes that I wore, I wear that versus

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01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 1: college because I ordered I will. You know, I ain't

2192
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:55,280
Speaker 1: gonna bad mof no names, but it was some names

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01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have had on my feet. And I'm paying

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01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 1: a price for it right now. Everybody, you understand what

2195
01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Angela, you know what I'm saying right there.

2196
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: And so people come up with you as you pay

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01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 1: for what you get. My toes are like if they

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01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 1: could talk, they go do what I told you. I

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01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 1: told you about that. And so when I look at

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01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: your fashion, your history, and I wanted to let people

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01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 1: understand your journey, Angela, how you becolled because a lot

2202
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:21,440
Speaker 1: of people think that we always see in Hollywood, we

2203
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 1: see the end results, we always see the magic, but

2204
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 1: they don't really hear the journey. And I wanted I

2205
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 1: wanted to just share some moments of your journey before

2206
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:33,320
Speaker 1: we really get into the fact of your greatness. Your

2207
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: greatness is people walking in the room, famous people or

2208
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 1: famous executives, are noteworthy people in life, going I want

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01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 1: you to make that for me, and I'm gonna trust

2210
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 1: that you're gonna make it because I'm gonna I'm going

2211
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 1: to put it on the one of the largest stages

2212
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:50,480
Speaker 1: in the world. They made that first moment for us

2213
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: when you when they dawned on you, they wow. Well,

2214
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 1: after I came out of high school, I then um

2215
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 1: when it's to college and went to school for fashion design.

2216
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 1: Came out about three or four years later and went

2217
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:10,840
Speaker 1: into the fashion industry downtown Los Angeles. But um, I

2218
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 1: wasn't really inspired by what I was doing because I

2219
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:17,200
Speaker 1: was they had the copy and T shirts and um

2220
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 1: doing things that I felt weren't in the integrity of creating,

2221
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:25,080
Speaker 1: creating and being the designers more so, like copying things.

2222
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:28,160
Speaker 1: I didn't think that's what I signed up for. So

2223
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 1: I looked for the first uh, first placed the way

2224
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:35,120
Speaker 1: to get to Hollywood, Like, how do I get to

2225
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: Hollywood to do something creative? And you know, the movies

2226
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:43,200
Speaker 1: and TV and music gave me that freedom. So I

2227
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 1: actually got to store out milrows in two for about

2228
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:52,440
Speaker 1: three years, and uh, I had my own story. Was

2229
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 1: a challenge because they end up robbing me in. I

2230
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:57,640
Speaker 1: had to leave because I couldn't afford to stay after

2231
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 1: they had taken everything. Um, but it was really your

2232
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:05,920
Speaker 1: challenge because the first black designer, I believe on mel Roads,

2233
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 1: world famous mel Roads. It was for years, I know

2234
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 1: about the world famous Mayor Roads. Okay, yeah, so you

2235
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:17,080
Speaker 1: know it was a little a little wild out there,

2236
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. I know. I moved so I know us

2237
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 1: a little out of my curve. So you was doing

2238
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:27,400
Speaker 1: some stuff way beyond. Yeah, it was, it was. It

2239
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:31,280
Speaker 1: was really an amazing journey. But at the same time,

2240
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, I learned a lot, and so sometimes you

2241
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 1: have to say all the things about who you are,

2242
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 1: and the fact that on the store and that type

2243
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:42,400
Speaker 1: of thing wasn't the best thing to talk about. Learn

2244
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 1: how to get a little quiet and not say so much.

2245
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:50,960
Speaker 1: So in many years I really didn't give the information

2246
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 1: that was black. I had a name, it was a

2247
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Dean tign which was my company name, and wrote off

2248
01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 1: of that and did a lot of celebrities and as

2249
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,880
Speaker 1: people from that point on, after I closed my store

2250
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:07,800
Speaker 1: UM and kind of went to more customs of creating

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02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:11,240
Speaker 1: for the music and entertainment business, for celebrities, doing this

2252
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:18,080
Speaker 1: album covers UM magazine, covers stage performances, UM, you know,

2253
02:00:18,200 --> 02:00:21,200
Speaker 1: red carpets, those types of things with my specialty. So

2254
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:24,680
Speaker 1: I created my own lane as a celebrity designer. Most

2255
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:28,680
Speaker 1: people weren't using that term. Now everyone is this is something,

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02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: this is something branding and all those things. I'm talking

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02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:35,520
Speaker 1: to Angela Dean Um. She's an amazing person. From Madonna

2258
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:38,879
Speaker 1: to Katie Perry, to Oprah Winfrey to Halleyberry. Her creations

2259
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:42,240
Speaker 1: have a don magazine covers concert stages and Oscar and

2260
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:45,480
Speaker 1: Grammy Red Carpets. She's also the creator when We come Back,

2261
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:50,200
Speaker 1: Shaped by an Angel Bodywear, revolutionary shapewear line that transformed

2262
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 1: women's bodies. I could probably use something transform my body,

2263
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:56,240
Speaker 1: Angel And so you know, you might want to get

2264
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 1: hip out brother name Roshan McDonald. But we're right back

2265
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:02,440
Speaker 1: with more money making conversations speaking to Angela Dean. Hi,

2266
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,440
Speaker 1: this Rashan McDonald's doing money making conversation. This is my thing,

2267
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:08,120
Speaker 1: you know. And I sat down with some friends of

2268
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:11,120
Speaker 1: mine and some producers who believed in me, and said, hey,

2269
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:13,440
Speaker 1: I want to do a show about entrepreneurship or show

2270
02:01:13,480 --> 02:01:16,440
Speaker 1: about entertainment, to see if I can mixture two talk

2271
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,520
Speaker 1: about branding and marketing and see if I can make

2272
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:20,880
Speaker 1: it interesting enough that people will want to listen to

2273
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,760
Speaker 1: it and more important to get information from the show

2274
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:27,080
Speaker 1: that could make their lives transformative. And that's what I'm doing,

2275
02:01:27,240 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 1: and that's what I do. Every week I bring a

2276
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:31,720
Speaker 1: guest on my show, and the guests I have on

2277
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:34,880
Speaker 1: my show to day is very unique talent. Angela Dean,

2278
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:37,920
Speaker 1: You know when you when you're talking about things that

2279
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:40,560
Speaker 1: you said, what had she done? Did she acually done

2280
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:45,400
Speaker 1: anything in my lifetime? And I remember, Uh, she's worked

2281
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:49,840
Speaker 1: with people like Madonna that bullet burst, yea, but who

2282
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:54,160
Speaker 1: can't forget that that was an amazing thing. Uh. She

2283
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:58,520
Speaker 1: worked with Essence Magazine did the iconic thirty year anniversary

2284
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:00,720
Speaker 1: edition which had at queenly he For on the cover,

2285
02:02:01,240 --> 02:02:04,320
Speaker 1: halle Berry on the cover, Jada Pinket Smith on the cover,

2286
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:09,280
Speaker 1: Fox on the cover, Loretta, Divine, Regina King, at least Neil,

2287
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:14,480
Speaker 1: and Michael Michelle. Now you did the fashion for all

2288
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:19,160
Speaker 1: of them, Angela, Yes, I did. I was commissioned to

2289
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 1: do all those ladies. Okay, let me let me the

2290
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 1: radle off those names again, because he's each one has

2291
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:30,680
Speaker 1: a distinct personality. Queen La, halle Berry, Jada Pinkett Smith,

2292
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:36,320
Speaker 1: Viverca A, Fox, Loretta, Divine, Regina King, at least Neil,

2293
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:48,280
Speaker 1: and Michael Michelle Essence Covert Anniversary. Yeah, wow, Yeah, congratulations,

2294
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:52,560
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I gotta say that because you know,

2295
02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:55,120
Speaker 1: I know what the talent was then, and then you

2296
02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:58,120
Speaker 1: watch the growth of that talent is even you're looking

2297
02:02:58,240 --> 02:03:00,400
Speaker 1: back more, you go, how great that car? For years?

2298
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:06,040
Speaker 1: Now you know what I'm saying. You go okay, you said, oh,

2299
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do this cover, and then you go

2300
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 1: okay to cover. Now, when that was it was great,

2301
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:14,560
Speaker 1: But now you know that's that's a that's an original

2302
02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:16,480
Speaker 1: color you cover. You know you get money for it.

2303
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:18,640
Speaker 1: Right now, I met you want to buy that for

2304
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:22,000
Speaker 1: that's a color? You feel me, you go and then

2305
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 1: you start and you know, I always always look back

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Speaker 1: at my life, Angela. I always think, you know, I

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Speaker 1: made a lot of famous people. I've sat down with

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Speaker 1: a lot of famous people, and I and and I

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02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:34,800
Speaker 1: just sometimes I just did a job and then I

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02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:36,800
Speaker 1: look back in my life and go, I wish how

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02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:39,600
Speaker 1: to spend a little bit more time with that person?

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02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 1: Are I wish how to delving into more conversation with it?

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02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:45,680
Speaker 1: Does that ever? Do you ever think like that when

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02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 1: you think about your life and the work you've done,

2315
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:52,360
Speaker 1: sitting down with openings openers of the world and all

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02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:55,760
Speaker 1: these iconic people, the Madonnas of the world and hallet

2317
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,240
Speaker 1: Barriers of the world, are Queen Latifas of the world.

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02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:01,760
Speaker 1: Is it like any question, know, any conversation you wish

2319
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:03,600
Speaker 1: you would have had with these people along the way?

2320
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:07,240
Speaker 1: Or just like wish I was just doing a job. No,

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02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 1: I really took enough. I took advantage of those opportunities.

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02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:15,760
Speaker 1: I knew that they were special moments in time, and

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02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:20,920
Speaker 1: I really embraced them. I have so many amazing UM

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02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:25,880
Speaker 1: relationships with my celebrity clients that a lot of special

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02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:30,160
Speaker 1: highs and low moments. You know, there's entertainment businesses can

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02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 1: be very challenging. So I've had great, um, great relationships

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02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:40,480
Speaker 1: with my celebrity clients. Um, the late Nancy Wilson was

2328
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,080
Speaker 1: like a mom to me, and we would sit lay

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02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:46,360
Speaker 1: out in the bed after her shows that the built

2330
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:49,320
Speaker 1: more hotel, red eyed and cool, and just lay and

2331
02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:52,760
Speaker 1: talked about different things of life. They let me really

2332
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:55,840
Speaker 1: have a personal place. If you ever have a chance

2333
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:59,680
Speaker 1: to get into that space with them, they have a

2334
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,360
Speaker 1: lot to share and I had a lot to share

2335
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:05,200
Speaker 1: as well. For those intimate moments. I'll never forget what

2336
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:08,000
Speaker 1: many of them. So I did try to take some

2337
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 1: moments if I could, because I had a lot of

2338
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:14,240
Speaker 1: private moments with them. Right. It's really important because I

2339
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:16,040
Speaker 1: think that the reasons I bring that up because a

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02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:18,800
Speaker 1: lot of times we just especially in today's society, with

2341
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,400
Speaker 1: like you know, basically your phone's attached to your text.

2342
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:23,880
Speaker 1: A lot of people will just text or they can

2343
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:28,800
Speaker 1: just pick up a phone and tex Yeah, I do

2344
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:31,440
Speaker 1: that a lot. Angela. People text me and I just

2345
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:33,120
Speaker 1: I just picked a phone call and say hey, you

2346
02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:38,120
Speaker 1: call me. That's what we we we understand that as

2347
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:44,560
Speaker 1: mature people, it's just not good. You never say you

2348
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:50,200
Speaker 1: what's what's up? What's what's happened? That's right? Connect and

2349
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:52,680
Speaker 1: it really needs to do and it really helps you

2350
02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 1: because of that technology, because you know, you you come

2351
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,400
Speaker 1: through a lane of like you know, I can use

2352
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:02,200
Speaker 1: the word old cool were communication was a lot of

2353
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:04,440
Speaker 1: time people told you that they come in and sit

2354
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:06,800
Speaker 1: down and talk to you, had these nice conversations and

2355
02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 1: allow you to work through the process. Now you have technology.

2356
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:12,960
Speaker 1: First it was facts and now and then it was email.

2357
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,920
Speaker 1: Now they just take a photo of something that's sent

2358
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:20,120
Speaker 1: it to you. So so interesting. So so how does

2359
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:23,320
Speaker 1: that affect How has that affected you creatively over the years?

2360
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:28,400
Speaker 1: You know, interestingly enough, the technology has helped me tremendously

2361
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:31,520
Speaker 1: because I can go with my phone now and shop

2362
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:35,400
Speaker 1: with my clients in real time. You know, UM actually

2363
02:06:35,480 --> 02:06:38,080
Speaker 1: showed them the Fabrican real time to make a choice

2364
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:41,640
Speaker 1: in real time. My sketches arem able to do and

2365
02:06:41,960 --> 02:06:44,840
Speaker 1: send to them, you know, in real time. So it

2366
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:48,320
Speaker 1: really has assisted me, I think, in the process of

2367
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:52,960
Speaker 1: getting clear and understanding what's available and understanding what the

2368
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:55,360
Speaker 1: process is going to be going forward with the order.

2369
02:06:55,960 --> 02:07:00,200
Speaker 1: So I think technology has been a tremendous asset in

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02:07:00,240 --> 02:07:04,200
Speaker 1: the area of communicating and design for sure with me

2371
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:07,760
Speaker 1: and my clients. And I think that that's what we're

2372
02:07:07,800 --> 02:07:10,560
Speaker 1: moving more into now today. I think that's what this

2373
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:14,360
Speaker 1: is about, bringing us more online, more online. It can

2374
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 1: be a bad thing, but when we can take advantage

2375
02:07:17,960 --> 02:07:21,320
Speaker 1: of the things that we have access to today with technology,

2376
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:24,760
Speaker 1: it is to our advantage, especially in the process of creating.

2377
02:07:25,200 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 1: We were speaking about technology. Just move on to your

2378
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:33,640
Speaker 1: revolutionary shape by the Angel body Wear. I got it

2379
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:35,760
Speaker 1: up in front of me, so I got photos. I

2380
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:37,720
Speaker 1: got all kind of pictures in front of me. So

2381
02:07:37,880 --> 02:07:40,280
Speaker 1: walk me through the steps of saying okay with Sean.

2382
02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 1: You know, I've designed all these clothes for different celebrities

2383
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:47,560
Speaker 1: and everyday people. How did you get into the body

2384
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:53,880
Speaker 1: whear industry. Well, I've always been known for different various

2385
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 1: body types of being able to create amazing things no

2386
02:07:58,080 --> 02:08:01,440
Speaker 1: matter what size or how ice or shape you are.

2387
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:05,680
Speaker 1: That's been my forte and so um the shape or

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02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:08,920
Speaker 1: market had has been something that I've you know, dove

2389
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:12,120
Speaker 1: into because I was worked for a laundry company some

2390
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:14,720
Speaker 1: years ago after closing my store where I designed the

2391
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:19,600
Speaker 1: bullet braw courset for Madonna, and I started using a

2392
02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:24,520
Speaker 1: lot of the my course, it's underneath the gowns and things.

2393
02:08:24,640 --> 02:08:27,960
Speaker 1: So it became something that I was a go to

2394
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:32,760
Speaker 1: for that building. It underneath the gowns for ost gowns

2395
02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:36,360
Speaker 1: and things like that, and those in the closed got

2396
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:39,400
Speaker 1: the more we had these different fabrics and go in

2397
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:42,520
Speaker 1: the stretching, and so I just continued to work and

2398
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:45,000
Speaker 1: develop it. It really felt that it was important that

2399
02:08:45,240 --> 02:08:48,920
Speaker 1: I created a shape line that was for all body types.

2400
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:52,240
Speaker 1: All of all bodies are not the same, all women

2401
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:55,200
Speaker 1: are not the same shape, and so the shapers are

2402
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:58,600
Speaker 1: designed according to the five most common bite types which

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02:08:59,040 --> 02:09:02,680
Speaker 1: accentuate the airs of those body types and enhanced and

2404
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, take away and realign the shapes um with

2405
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,800
Speaker 1: the panels. So it's something that I'm very proud of

2406
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 1: and it's very unique and different and it's amazing. It

2407
02:09:14,440 --> 02:09:19,320
Speaker 1: transforms bodies every day. One of my let me ask

2408
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:21,080
Speaker 1: you this about there, let me just about your body

2409
02:09:21,120 --> 02:09:23,560
Speaker 1: where because I watched TV. I have six sisters, so

2410
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:27,440
Speaker 1: you know they were four of them are older than

2411
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:30,280
Speaker 1: me and so so I'm always you know, I've seen

2412
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:34,560
Speaker 1: what when you say transformative or revolutionary, what what is

2413
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:37,320
Speaker 1: your clothes doing to a woman's body, Because you say

2414
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:40,120
Speaker 1: bodies of all styles, of all shapes, Well, what were

2415
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:47,320
Speaker 1: they pushing the tightening the weightline or pushing the the shaper. Yeah,

2416
02:09:47,400 --> 02:09:50,560
Speaker 1: the shaper has panels in it in the inside of

2417
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:54,400
Speaker 1: it that's reshaping and doing different very things to areas

2418
02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:57,320
Speaker 1: of the body that need assistance. So, for instance, your weight,

2419
02:09:57,520 --> 02:09:59,880
Speaker 1: you want to waste to be smaller, there's a pan

2420
02:10:00,160 --> 02:10:03,920
Speaker 1: to accentuate the waste. There's an area that is a

2421
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,720
Speaker 1: panel for the abdomen, so a lot of women foot

2422
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:08,920
Speaker 1: you out a little bit and has a tendency to

2423
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:12,920
Speaker 1: pull you in. It has a panel underneath your buttock area,

2424
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:16,320
Speaker 1: lift your butt um. There's a panel across the back

2425
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 1: of your waist that accentuates you waste more so it's

2426
02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:25,000
Speaker 1: giving the body more accentuating areas through the panels. They're

2427
02:10:25,880 --> 02:10:29,560
Speaker 1: assisting in reshaping the body. Then the fabric is amazing

2428
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:33,960
Speaker 1: too because it's supposed surgical compression fabric that has empty

2429
02:10:34,040 --> 02:10:39,760
Speaker 1: microbial fibers to keep you cooling fresh um compression and real,

2430
02:10:40,440 --> 02:10:44,240
Speaker 1: real scientific owners right there. You know you need to

2431
02:10:44,280 --> 02:10:48,960
Speaker 1: stop to break it down. Fact that a breeze and

2432
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:54,240
Speaker 1: there's a you know, compression. I've heard that we're compression comfortable.

2433
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:58,800
Speaker 1: So so so a young lady comes in because you

2434
02:10:59,080 --> 02:11:04,440
Speaker 1: know you're you're your line is for all age groups, correct, Okay? Okay,

2435
02:11:04,440 --> 02:11:07,240
Speaker 1: so the accommodate gover women. Okay, cool, So we can

2436
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:12,680
Speaker 1: go online and buy your your body with correct tell

2437
02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:14,880
Speaker 1: us how we can do that first, before I asked

2438
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:19,360
Speaker 1: my next series of questions. Um, the brand is shaped

2439
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:23,400
Speaker 1: by an angel s h A p E D by

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Speaker 1: B y m A n angel a n g e

2441
02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:31,000
Speaker 1: L dot com and you can follow us on all

2442
02:11:31,800 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 1: um social media platforms at shaped by an angel as well. Okay, cool.

2443
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:41,800
Speaker 1: So I'm a person, you know, you know, I'm trying

2444
02:11:41,800 --> 02:11:44,960
Speaker 1: to get my waist. I'm trying to just make a waste,

2445
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to show it off, you

2446
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:48,720
Speaker 1: know a little bit, and just trying to get my

2447
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:51,240
Speaker 1: just trying to go out there and you know, just

2448
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:53,520
Speaker 1: trying to look good. So how would I how would

2449
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,200
Speaker 1: I be introduced to your website as a as a

2450
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:59,040
Speaker 1: as a as a woman, you know, trying to get

2451
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:01,960
Speaker 1: what what? Why? Why would I go to your website?

2452
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,840
Speaker 1: I guess I should ask that question at you. Well,

2453
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:08,040
Speaker 1: you go into my website for what for? I think

2454
02:12:08,160 --> 02:12:11,880
Speaker 1: that you're probably looking for something UM in the area

2455
02:12:11,880 --> 02:12:15,560
Speaker 1: of shape where that could assist you with UM making

2456
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:19,960
Speaker 1: your body field user or UM shrinking your body maybe

2457
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:22,840
Speaker 1: a couple of sizes through the shape where. But women

2458
02:12:22,920 --> 02:12:27,920
Speaker 1: are just really UM embraced shape where because it reshapes

2459
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:31,240
Speaker 1: them and makes them feel comfortable and smoothed out the body.

2460
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:35,120
Speaker 1: So it's usually a desire to your look for. Women

2461
02:12:35,160 --> 02:12:40,160
Speaker 1: are constantly looking for shapewear or better shapewear UM various brands,

2462
02:12:40,240 --> 02:12:42,800
Speaker 1: so it's something that women have been wearing since the

2463
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:48,080
Speaker 1: many decades UM. So mine is very modernized and revolutionized

2464
02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:50,560
Speaker 1: by the fabric, so there's a lot of great property

2465
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:54,560
Speaker 1: so UM. I think that it would be all in

2466
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:57,360
Speaker 1: terms of even maybe looking for a great shape or

2467
02:12:57,480 --> 02:13:00,040
Speaker 1: shaper at one time or another. And you may some

2468
02:13:00,200 --> 02:13:06,000
Speaker 1: blow mind my website or my social media handler. That's

2469
02:13:06,040 --> 02:13:08,320
Speaker 1: really cool. So how how involved were you in this

2470
02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:10,600
Speaker 1: whole process? Because I know I involved, you're on your

2471
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 1: your fashion designs and because you've done so much, but

2472
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:16,480
Speaker 1: now that you're going to everyday people, so which means

2473
02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:20,200
Speaker 1: it's more a mass, a mass relationship. So you're trying

2474
02:13:20,240 --> 02:13:22,560
Speaker 1: to you're trying now to meet a lot of people

2475
02:13:22,720 --> 02:13:26,120
Speaker 1: needs and with a fashion So how did that did

2476
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:28,879
Speaker 1: that play anywhere? Did that play anywhere into your mindset

2477
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:31,280
Speaker 1: about how can I you know, because you know, to

2478
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:34,320
Speaker 1: make eight famous people on the cover or eight to

2479
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:38,360
Speaker 1: tempt famous or Oprah or Madonna. You're you're talking on

2480
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:41,120
Speaker 1: one on one now you're sitting in the room with

2481
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:44,560
Speaker 1: some individuals. You have this great idea. You you're touching fashion.

2482
02:13:44,840 --> 02:13:46,920
Speaker 1: You should. I wanted to appeal to everyone. What does

2483
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:51,160
Speaker 1: that exactly? Does that statement mean? What does the statement

2484
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:53,920
Speaker 1: made when I say appeal to everyone? What what does

2485
02:13:53,960 --> 02:13:56,880
Speaker 1: that statement mean to you when I say that? Well,

2486
02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:59,720
Speaker 1: that means everything to me because that's what my st

2487
02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:05,160
Speaker 1: pay and Go is to help women to trans transform

2488
02:14:05,480 --> 02:14:08,879
Speaker 1: and uplifts and feel better about their bodies, about their fashion.

2489
02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:12,160
Speaker 1: I want to give women um clothes that work best

2490
02:14:12,240 --> 02:14:15,560
Speaker 1: for their body types. I think women um need to

2491
02:14:15,720 --> 02:14:19,520
Speaker 1: have better choices pretty to body types. And that's what

2492
02:14:19,640 --> 02:14:22,400
Speaker 1: I want to do, UM and give them options that

2493
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:26,240
Speaker 1: really work for their lifestyles and keep them comfortable and

2494
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:29,480
Speaker 1: fashionable being shaped up. You know what. You know what

2495
02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:31,640
Speaker 1: I like when I hear you keep saying the word

2496
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:33,800
Speaker 1: body type, which I think is really could to hear

2497
02:14:34,080 --> 02:14:35,920
Speaker 1: because a lot of people sell stuff and they just

2498
02:14:36,080 --> 02:14:38,320
Speaker 1: tell you they're just trying to squeeze you into a

2499
02:14:38,440 --> 02:14:41,280
Speaker 1: look and yourself. You know, I'm just I grew up.

2500
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm my old school guy. I grew up my

2501
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:46,640
Speaker 1: mom with keyboard girdles, you know, and and and and

2502
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:48,840
Speaker 1: so and so that was just and she was just

2503
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:51,400
Speaker 1: squeeze in there. It wasn't do her body type. It

2504
02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:54,520
Speaker 1: was just she she was just just just trying to

2505
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:56,600
Speaker 1: reshape some stuff so she can put on that dress.

2506
02:14:56,680 --> 02:14:59,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So and so that's what

2507
02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking about when I because you're saying that a lot,

2508
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:04,760
Speaker 1: which is really great, which means that the customer comes first,

2509
02:15:05,160 --> 02:15:08,280
Speaker 1: which means that you're trying to style it, stylizes to

2510
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:10,640
Speaker 1: their comfort zone and I'm not saying every time my

2511
02:15:10,720 --> 02:15:12,240
Speaker 1: mom walked out that dough, but I don't think you

2512
02:15:12,280 --> 02:15:16,560
Speaker 1: walked out that dough comfortable. I really don't know. I

2513
02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:22,120
Speaker 1: think you just walked out that that they're trying to

2514
02:15:22,360 --> 02:15:24,680
Speaker 1: hold up to hold to get through the day for

2515
02:15:24,840 --> 02:15:28,440
Speaker 1: being squipper. But well, the thing is, that's what's great

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